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B
B
So,
looking
at
my
list
of
elected
members,
I'm
going
to
go
down
melissa
in
europe,
so
council
buckley.
B
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
gathway.
B
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
carlill.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Council
elimos.
E
Here
I
am
but
I've
already
spoken
once.
B
D
Yeah
helen
hayden
temple
needs
some
ward
executive
member
for
infrastructure
and
climate.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
A
morning
chair,
internet
problem,
so
you
haven't,
got
my
video
counselor
for
more
time
english.
Thank
you.
B
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
that's
all
elected
members,
they're
pleasantly
with
us,
so
polly.
I
B
Thank
you
so
much
folks.
So
as
you'll
be
aware,
this
is
a
one
item
agenda
meeting
it's
as
it's
a
special
meeting
of
sia
now,
obviously,
originally
we
planned
to
be
in
in
person
in
civic
for
this,
but
given
the
the
guidance
from
government
and
the
public
health
issues,
thank
you
all
very
much
for
going
to
do
this
this
remotely.
B
So
I'm
just
gonna
say
a
few
words
and
then
polly's
got
a
instruction.
Now
we
do
have
before
we've
got
some
minutes.
I
think,
and
we
harriet.
C
I
Have
chair,
but
due
to
the
consultative
status
of
the
meeting
now,
if.
G
I
B
Let's,
let's
park
those
for
now
in
that
case,
I'm
just
keen
that
we
we
get
onto
our
main
item.
So
this
is
the
report
full
council.
So
what
polly's
gonna
do
now
is
a
brief
sort
of
overview
of
contextual
setting
speech
and
then
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
then
go
and
go
through
the
report
effectively
section
by
section
and
then
members
can
raise
any
concerns.
B
The
we
really
it
would.
It
would
be
far
better
if
we
sort
of
agreed
to
to
to
recommend
this
to
full
council
today,
but
if
there
are
any
sort
of
really
present
amendments
and
by
all
means
folk
can
make
them.
Of
course
they
can.
We
could
approve
those
remotely
by
email
over
the
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
because
we
have
a
deadlines
for
publication
to
go
to
full
council,
which
harriet
will
be
able
to
be
able
to
remind
us
all
what
those
deadlines
are
right
now,
harriet.
B
Thank
you
right
so,
but
this
is,
I
said
this
is
what
we've
been
undertaking
in
a
a
very
sensible
collegiate
basis
all
year,
so
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
agree
the
report
today.
So
without
further
ado,
polly.
I
Hey,
thank
you
very
much.
Sorry.
I
seem
to
have
got
a
tickle
today
and
I
think
it's
worth
just
setting
the
context
first
of
all
about
the
report.
So
this
report
is
specifically
about
the
work
of
the
climate
emergency
advisory
committee
and
its
working
groups.
I
It
is
not
intended
to
set
out
the
climate
emergency
work
of
the
whole
council
and
and
there's
a
report
that
goes
in
february
to
exact
board,
which
will
set
out
that
you
know
our
carbon
reductions,
the
action
plan
and
go
specifically
in
sort
of
the
projects
and
programs
of
work
that
are
going
on
across
the
council.
I
I
So
we
had
a
whole
session
looking
at
comms
and
engagement
and
receiving
feedback
from
members
about
how
we
could
improve
that
what
we
could
do
differently,
how
we
could
reach
out
and
looking
at
how
we
work
across
partnership
organizations
so
that
you
know
we've
always
said
the
council
cannot
solve
the
climate
emergency
on
its
own.
Even
for
the
city,
it's
very
much
about
having
every
single
part
of
the
city
working
alongside
us
and
and
also
there's
been
that
focus
around
sort
of
the
school's
estate.
I
Looking
at
the
work
for
the
psds
scheme,
the
public
sector
decarbonisation
scheme,
but
also
the
challenges
that
that
then
presented
and
how
we
then
move
that
on
to
the
next
stage,
looking
at
climate
education
and
actually
using
that
presentation
that
leads
deck
as
a
result
of
the
committee
taking
that
out
to
all
the
community
committees
promoting
that
with
members
and
doing
some
work
to
look
how
we
promote
that
across
governors.
So
some
of
the
results
that
have
come
out
of
those
committees
and
we've
also
looked
at
one
of
the
other
barriers.
I
I
think
for
progress
will
be
green
jobs
and
skills.
And
so
we
spent
some
time
having
the
look
at
how
we
what
we
were
already
doing
to
promote
green
jobs
and
skills.
What
some
of
the
work
we've
done.
So,
for
example,
again
with
the
psds
scheme
and
some
of
the
housing
retrofit.
You
know
the
fact
that
we've
got
a
new
company
set
up
in
leeds
creating
green
jobs.
And
so
all
of
that
has
come
to
the
main
committee
looking
at
those
kind
of
key
issues.
I
But
then
we
go
further
than
that,
because
we
have
the
four
working
groups
that
come
out
of
that
and
the
working
groups
have
that
opportunity
to
go
into
issues
in
much
much
more
detail
to
check
and
challenge
progress
to
ask
for
their
specific
speakers
to
come
and
talk
to
them.
So
they
can
understand
issues
better
and
to
feed
into
how
we
can
lobby
collectively
at
a
national
level,
with
the
cross
cross
party,
support
and
and
also
to
look
at
how
we
feed
back
when
there
are
consultations.
I
So
we've
used
the
working
groups
a
lot
this
year
to
look
at
things,
so
be
it
the
local
plan
and
to
have
some
feed
into
that,
albeit
national
consultations.
Things
like
the
electric
charge
point
and
and
we've
got
some
others
planned
in
as
well.
So
if
I
just
look
specifically
each
working
group,
we
have
the
food
and
biodiversity
working
group.
So
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
really
getting
to
understand
catering
across
the
council
understanding.
I
I
So
then,
looking
at
the
building's
planning
and
energy
working
group
and
one
of
the
key
things
we've
looked
at
as
a
group
which
has
presented
real
issues
to
to
my
team
and
nationally,
is
around
the
path
2035
standard
and
about
how
that's
actually
been
brought
in
with
all
the
right
reasons.
It's
been
brought
in
by
national
government
in
order
to
improve
standards
and
make
sure
that
you
know,
there's
not
not
work
happening.
I
That
is
of
poor
quality,
however,
has
had
the
unintended
consequence
of
actually
making
schemes
that
we
were
delivering,
that
didn't,
have
negatives
or
were
really
positive
for
residents,
saving
the
money
and
improving
their
quality
of
life,
making
them
unaffordable
to
deliver,
and
so
that
group
spent
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
and
understand
those
issues
and
help
us
to
pull
together.
A
lobbying
position
on
that
and
supporting
that
and
they've
also
had
a
chance
within
that
group
to
look
in
more
detail
the
heat
and
building
strategy.
I
That's
just
come
out
which
is
going
to
be
really
fundamental
for
how
we
work
going
forward
and
how
how
we
build
that
in
and
going
forward
up
to
the
new
year,
we'll
be
looking
at
the
new,
the
net
zero
housing
strategy
that
we're
developing.
That
will
go
alongside
the
overarching
housing
strategy
for
the
council
and
within
that
group.
I
This
year
we
set
up
a
new
working
group
so
before
it
was
just
transport
now
it's
transport
and
behaviour
change.
The
behavior
change
goes
beyond
transport
and
the
group
has
looked
at
some
of
the
work
going
on
buses
within
the
city
and
the
future
of
commuting
and
this
working
from
home
balance
and
then
they've
also
directly
fed
into
the
electric
vehicle
consultation.
That's
happening
at
a
national
level
where
there
was
a
desire
nationally
for
well.
I
One
of
the
options
I
should
say
was
for
local
councils
to
actually
have
the
statutory
responsibility
for
charging
and
had
a
really
in-depth
discussion
on
that
which
culminated
in
the
report
going
back
back
into
government
with
our
views
of
the
council
and
and
going
forward.
They
again
will
be
looking
at
other
things
like
that,
but
the
next
one,
I
think,
is
actually
linked
to
single-use
plastic
and
again
around
the
consultation
of
that.
I
And
then
the
final
working
group,
which
has
been
more
of
a
sort
of
task
and
finish
group,
is
set
up
on
the
back
of
the
funding,
workstream
and
and
that
allowed
the
the
people
that
came
and
presented
to
us.
The
bankers
without
boundaries
and
abundance
to
come
back
and
talk
to
us
for
a
second
time,
but
in
more
depth
and
and
the
action
was
set
to
officers
to
go
away
from
that
group
and
to
determine
a
potential
pilot
area
for
the
private
retrofit.
I
So
that
work
is
still
ongoing
and
in
the
new
year
we'll
come
back
with
sort
of
a
rationale
for
the
different
areas
and
the
pros
and
cons.
So
that
process
has
been
worked
through
and
that
will
come
back
to
that
working
group
for
kind
of,
I
suppose,
support
and
also
to
agree.
The
next
stage
is
for
how
we
move
that
forward.
I
B
Thank
you,
polly,
that's
extremely
comprehensive
boy
boy
have
we
been
busy
and
it's
good
to
good,
to
see
that
the
amount
of
work
we've
done
in
the
amount
of
influence
we've
had.
That's
that's
excellent
and
just
just
chair,
and
today
I
just
want
to
place
a
record.
B
My
thanks
for
every
all
the
hard
work,
everyone's
done,
both
elected
members
and
officers,
especially
in
the
working
groups,
which
has
also
brought
in
members
from
across
across
council,
and
I
think,
they've
got
a
real
value
and
very
much
agree
with
polly
in
the
sense
that
we
now
know
what
we
need
to
do,
and
we
now
need
to
find
the
ways
to
to
fund
it
and
to
implement
it.
And
obviously
some
implementations
already
started
quite
a
quite
a
sprint
but
yeah
it's.
B
How
do
we
pay
for
it?
That's
our
next
mission!
Isn't
it
folks
so
yeah,
it's
been
a
good
year
and
I'm
pleased
that
we've
achieved
it
again
would
have
been
very
strange
circumstances
for
a
lot
of
us.
So
that's
all
to
the
good.
So
I
want
to
start
bringing
in
speakers.
So
I've
got
in
the
order.
They
came
up
but
councillor
buckley,
councillor,
carlill,
councillor
anderson,
so
neil
over
to
you
yeah.
C
Thanks
chair
and
I
think,
we've
all
got
some
comments
and
some
questions
and
so
on,
but
I
would
like
to
agree
with
you
and
thank
polly.
I
think
she's
been
so
clear
throughout
this
whole
process
and
everything
she
reports
on
is
absolutely
clear.
It's
easy
to
understand
even
for
me,
so
I
I
appreciate
that
I've
got
two
or
three
things:
a
mixture
of
comments
and
questions
jerry.
C
If
I
can
and
then
I'll
let
somebody
else
come
in
and
we
can
see
how
it
goes,
but
just
taking
the
thing
logically
really
from
the
report
as
we've
seen
it,
I
wanted
to
suggest
some
amendments
which
yeah
well,
let's
leave
it
at
that.
I
wanted
to
suggestion.
Remember
so
in
your
forward.
C
You
re
you.
You
refer
to
a
factual
statement,
which
is
that
all
our
meetings
have
been
or
the
majority
of
our
meetings
have
been
in,
have
taken
place
remotely
and
that's
a
statement.
To
fact
that's
what's
happened,
but
then
just
below
that
there's
a
remark
in
there
which
assists
in
maintaining
a
healthy
work-life
balance
for
members
and
officers.
C
C
Secondly,
you
mentioned
lower
down
on
the
forward
that
we
must
do
everything
we
can
to
limit
warming
to
1.5
degrees.
Yep
again,
that's
that's
something
which
we
nobody
would
disagree
with,
but
then
you
say
a
four
degree.
Warm
world
is
one
of
chaos
and
destruction,
but.
C
My
final
point
in
this
particular
bit
deal
is
once
we
accept
that
doesn't
once
we
accept
that,
doesn't
our
mission
become
clearer
and
easier
colleagues?
Well,
we
accept.
Who
is
we?
Who
is
we?
C
It
just
seems
to
me
that
we
as
a
committee,
consist
of
councillors
who
have
been
elected
to
represent
the
people
of
leeds,
and
we
have
a
duty
to
them
both
to
discuss
the
implications
of
council
of
climate
change
and
what
it's
going
to
cost
them
we're,
not
citizens
of
the
world.
In
this
sense,
we
represent
the
people
of
leeds
so
they're.
My
initial
comments,
chairman
and
I'll,
come
back
later
on.
Thank
you.
B
No,
no
thank
you.
Well
I'll.
Tell
you
what
we
can
remove
the
descendants
and
yada
yada
life
balance
through
to
end
officers
I'll
give
you
that
that's
not
a
problem.
B
The
reason
I
mentioned
a
four
degree
world
is
because,
having
spent
quite
a
lot
of
time
glued
to
cop
stuff-
and
I
think
we
a
lot
of
people
used
in
their
in
their
social
medias
was
it
was
a
really
really
interesting
diagram
that
showed
the
various
temperature
paths
that
were
on
and
one
the
lower
one
was
1.5,
and
perhaps
this
is
the
graphic
we
might
actually
put
into
the
report.
Maybe
we're
currently
on
the
2.21,
which
is
actually
not
the
second
one.
B
It
was
the
third
one,
but
far
too
many
of
the
indicators
council
properly,
I'm
pointing
us
that
we're
on
something
around
about
four
degree
warmed
world.
Now
I
can,
I
can
perhaps
expand
the
intro
to
reflect
those
comments
that
I've
just
made.
That's
not
a
problem,
but
we
do
have
to
be
really
clear
that
as
a
city
and
as
a
society
that
four
degree
path
right
now
is
far
more
likely
than
1.5
degree
path,
and
I
think
people
need
to
to
pause
and
reflect
on
that
and
I'll
probably
expand.
B
That's
I'll
explain
the
the
intro
to
reflect
that,
but
we
really
need
to
be
clear
on
that.
I
think
that
we
just
members
of
this
committee,
I
thought
it
was
fairly
fairly
clear
to
be
fair
but
yeah
the
four
degree
world
getting
getting
that
into
people's
minds
is
incredibly
important
for
us,
as
as
elected
councillors,
I
think
we
we
listen
to
our
communities
when
necessary.
B
H
Thank
you
chair
a
couple
of
points,
a
couple
of
points.
I
will
come
back
on
that,
though,
because
I
think
neil's
highlighted
a
really
useful
point
in
your
forward
there.
What
what
I'm
very
conscious
of
is
when
we
looked
at
the
outputs
from
cop,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
were
suggesting
we
were
in
the
that
the
policies
agreed
there
put
us
in
the
realm
of
a
2.7,
2.8
degree
increase
of
where
we're
ending.
H
For
the
moment,
however,
I
think
in
terms
of
our
country
and
many
others
across
the
world,
it's
been
noted
that
the
action
hasn't
followed
necessarily
the
policies.
I
think
the
climate
change
last
report
stated
that
the
uk
needs
to
go
further
in
order
to
meet
the
targets
it's
set
down.
So
I
think
you'd
be
correct
in
saying,
and
maybe
that
expansion
should
be
that
the
targets
we
have
get
us
nearer
to
where
we
need
to
be,
but
obviously
we
need
to
ensure
that
those
targets
are
met
as
well
as
then
doubling
them
down.
H
Every
time
we
do,
and
so
I'm
quite
confident
and
happy
with
the
view
you've
put
forward
there,
because
I
think
that
okay,
it
coming
to
my
point,
though
I
think
it's
been
really
useful,
I'll
kind
of
do
a
small
summary
of
the
year
as
well
as
the
report
been
really
useful.
The
meetings
we've
had
this
year
and
I
think
neil
also,
I
completely
agree
with
points
you
made
about
polly
and
how
she's
directed
some
of
this
work
and
brought
to
us.
H
I
think
what
were
the
key
gaps
that
have
been
identified
in
getting
to
where
we
want
to
be,
and
I
think
that's
been
really
useful.
We
haven't
spent
too
much
time
focusing
on
those
areas
we
know
about.
We've
spent
the
time
focusing
on
those
areas
where,
where
clear
direction
is
needed
or
where
we're
not
quite
there
with
working
out
where,
where
we
need
to
be
so,
funding
is
a
clear
one
of
that
I
mean
looking
forward.
H
The
one
thing
I
was
going
to
make
as
a
point,
not
necessarily
on
amendments
to
the
report,
but
but
possibly
things
that
could
be
appended
to
it.
A
lot
of
it
focuses
on
the
meetings
we've
had
as
a
committee,
but
there
is
all
that
work
that
goes
on
behind
the
scenes
that
you
yourself
do
as
chair,
and
the
officers
do
regarding.
H
Obviously
the
responses
to
the
open
forum
that
that
come
in
and
they
obviously
receive
a
written
response
from
yourself,
chair
and
also,
we
know
a
lot
of
points
around
lobbying
and
I
am
very
concerned
where
we
are
in
terms
of
our
targets
and
our
ambition
in
leads
and
the
fact
that
it's
very
different
should
we
say
from
targets
and
ambition
on
a
national
level.
H
We've
obviously
2030
is
our
goal,
that's
very
ambitious
and
that's
clear
where
we
want
to
be,
but
I
think
we
are
going
to
have
to
be
very
clear
with
people
where
we
have
found
our
way
barred
by
maybe
having
a
more
ambitious
target
than
other
areas.
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
lobbying
that's
noted,
where
there
has
been
letters
that
have
been
sent
in
or
responses
received.
I
wonder
whether
they
should
be
noted
as
appendices,
because
we
are
clearly
trying
to
meet
our
ambition.
H
That's
the
right
ambition
to
have
and
where
we're
going
to
and
the
points
of
which
we've
noted
that
there
are
barriers
in
our
way
of
doing
that,
whether
it's
a
regional
level
or
a
national
level.
I
think
they
should
be
included
if
those
letters
were
in
there
and
the
lobbying
points
made.
That's
my
comments
on
that
chest.
As
a
starter.
Oh.
B
No,
no,
no.
Thank
you.
I
think,
in
terms
of
appending
those
things,
I'm
I'm
pretty
sure
we
can,
I'm
pretty
sure
they're
all
public
domain,
but
I'll
have
to
confer
with
with
with
polly
and
harriet
and
the
rest
of
the
team
about
life.
If
foot
can
understand
that
so
yeah,
but
that's
julie,
noted,
but
thanks
for
your
comments,
counselor,
carlo
yeah,
it
it's
been
quite
a
year.
Casper
anderson.
A
Thank
you
chair
and
we're
gonna
start
off
with
the
forward.
I
mean
councilor
buckley
has
set
out
clearly
the
amendments
you'd
like
to
see,
but
one
of
the
things
I
do
disagree
with
what
you've
said
is
your
justification
for
the
four
degrees,
because
effectively
what
you're
saying
is
that
all
the
work
that
the
council
have
done
so
far
and
other
partners
has
been
for
nothing
because
we've
actually
gone
backwards?
A
What
you're
now
arguing
by
talking
about
the
four
degrees
is
you're
arguing
that
the
council
have
gone
backwards,
that
we,
because
of
the
work
done
by
you,
that
we've
actually
gone
backwards
because
you're
mentioning
four
percent,
so
I
personally
cannot
support
the
reference
to
the
four
degrees
because
you
are
trying
to
that's.
That
might
be
true
nationally.
It
might
be
true
internationally,
but
as
a
city,
I
think
we've
made
a
relatively
good
start
and
you
are
doing
down
the
work,
that's
being
done,
you're
trying
to
give
a
geopolitical
view
to
this.
A
Rather
than
reporting
back
about
leeds
city.
We
are
talking
about
the
city.
You
may
or
may
not
feel
that
nationally
there
are
problems
there
probably
are,
but
we're
here
talking
about
us
as
a
council
not
getting
involved
in
trying
to
run
the
world,
which
is
what
you're
trying
to
do
now.
So
I
disagree
with
that
one.
A
In
terms
of
the
summary,
the
second
bullet
point
I
do
think
it
might
have
been
better
to
have
postponed
this
report
until
the
actual
exec
board
for
february
was
issued,
because
I
do
think
both
have
got
to
be
read
in
tandem
to
see
what
what
has
actually
been
done,
because
there's
not
a
lot
of
detail
in
this
report
about
what
we've
actually
done
hard
facts
that
we've
done
here.
A
So
I
would
have
liked
that-
and
I
agree
with
councillor
carl-
that
it
would
be
good
to
get
the
what
actually
happened
to
all
of
these
open
forum
responses.
I
do
think
that
that
would
be
useful.
The
other
thing
that
I
think
is
misleading
is
the
comment.
A
finance
working
group
was
set
up
following
the
climate
emergency
action
committee.
A
To
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
we've
only
met
once
so.
It's
hardly
been
a
hard
working
committee.
It
this
gives
the
impression
that
we're
we've
been
hard
at
looking
at
what
the
financial
impact
is
going
to
be
on
the
council,
the
individual
citizens
of
this,
the
city
which
we
have
not
done.
We
have
not
carried
out
an
economic
analysis
of
the
impact
to
different
parts
of
this
city.
A
B
B
And
that's
your
first
comment.
Council
anderson.
I
think-
and
I
know
your
other
comments
regarding
finance
working
group
and
I
think
there's
we
can't
touch
every
subject
within
just
a
relatively
short
space
of
time,
but
certainly
economic
analysis
and
the
impracticity
is
something
we
inevitably
going
to
get
onto.
But
go
back
to
your
first
comment.
B
It's
just
flat
out
wrong:
no
one's
doing
down
the
city,
no
one's
saying
that
we're
going
backwards,
as
I
spoke
about
in
the
council
chamber
at
length
that
the
solutions
to
climate
problems
are
built
by
the
actions
of
thousands
of
polities
around
the
around
the
world,
whether
it
be
cities,
rural
areas,
towns,
what
have
you
villages
and
we're
part
of
that
we're
building
that
wall.
So
these
are
the
bricks
that
go
in
that
wall.
If
we
weren't
doing
these
bits
that
we're
doing
now,
absolutely
1.5
degrees
would
be
completely
out
of
our
reach.
B
Our
contribution
to
1.5
degrees
would
be
completely
out
of
our
reach,
but
it's
it's.
It's
both
wrong
and
irresponsible
to
suggest
that
somehow
that's
building
those
blocks,
putting
the
groundwork
in
place,
the
foundations
in
place,
and
indeed
the
ground
floor,
is
somehow
a
waste
of
time.
That's
just.
B
I
I
was
just
going
to
say
about,
I
suppose,
the
finance
working
group.
Just
looking
back
at
the
wording
to
see
I
mean
I
don't
think
it
sort
of
suggests
within
the
wording
that
they've
met
multiple
times.
I
think
it
just.
It
sets
out
what
they've
done
and
what
the
kind
of
follow-up
action
was
and
the
fact
that
they
will
then
re-meet
to
have
a
look
at
that
decision-making
process.
I
And
if
you
know
I
can
make
it
more
explicit.
We've
only
met
once,
but
I
think
what's
set
out.
There
is
what
what's
happened
and
that
group
has
started
looking
at
the
private
retrofit,
because
that
that
was
the
work
of
bankers
without
boundaries
was
looking
at
that
kind
of
able
to
pay
market,
and
so
I
can
make
make
that
clear
of
I've,
just
obviously
I'm
just
conscious
at
the
end
of
it.
I
B
Thankfully,
no
I
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
that
satisfies
that
point.
That's
been
raised.
There's
such
a
broad
scope
of
work
to
do
with
finance
and
funding
that
we
could.
We
could
honestly
meet
weekly
and
we'd
still
have
issues
that
we
haven't
tackled,
but
I
think
we've
made
a
really
good
solid
start
with
that.
So
next
up
we've
got
councillor
jose
and
oaktube.
F
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
neil
I'm
just
going
to
make
a
couple
of
comments
first,
because
I
would
like
to
come
back
later
with
sort
of
thinking
about
for
the
future.
Maybe,
yes,
thank
you
very
much
polly
and
all
of
your
team
for
a
lot.
You
know
so
much
that's
been
done
and
also
all
the
committees
and
everything
reading
it
just
gives
us
a
good
flavor
of
the
breadth
of
what
needs
to
be
done
and
some
of
what
we've
started
to
do.
F
F
The
the
food
the
food
action
plan
is
much
is
much
clearer
if
you
like,
so
that
was
just
that
one
question
so
and
also,
secondly,
how
much
we're
advising
the
council
and
what's
what's
sort
of
done,
we
just
had
the
transport
strategy
agreed
and
I
think
it
was
extremely
disappointing
as
an
opportunity
for
me
personally,
I
know
that's
not
going
to
go
very
down.
Very
well
in
many
circles,
but
a
30
reduction
in
car
use,
for
example,
for
myself,
but
anyway.
So
that's
those
two
things:
council,
buckley.
F
And
council
walsh,
you
are
absolutely
right
to
put
in
what
a
four
degree
rise
in
temperature
will
bring
about,
and
I'm
sitting
here
with
the
stern
review
which
was
released
in
2006
that's
15
years
ago,
which
makes
it
really
clear
that
at
four
degrees.
F
It's
an
unlivable
world
and
that's
not
because
of
rising
sea
levels,
so
people
still
need
to
be
reminded
of
why
it
is
that
we've
got
to
do
what
we've
got
to
do
very
quickly
indeed,
and
in
a
sense
I
would
prefer
that
there
was
something
even
stronger,
maybe
put
in
there,
but
I
wouldn't
have
suggested
that
if
I
hadn't
been
raised
so
councillor
anderson,
I
think
what
neil
what
council
of
warshaw
was
trying
to
pull
together
is
what
we
used
to
say,
which
is
think
global
act.
F
Local
we've
got
to
see
this
globally,
it's
a
global
problem
and
we've
got
to
mention
to
do
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
locally,
so
I'm
definitely
against
making
any
removal
of
any
of
that
sentence
about
about
the
four
degree
rise.
Sorry,
if
I'm
standing
quite
serious
here,
thank
you.
B
No
thanks,
council
forsakes,
I
think
I
mean
all
the.
I
would
always
classify
the
the
transport
strategies
as
as
a
work
in
progress.
I
do
know
the
transport
supplementary
planning
document
the
spd
transfer
spd,
we're
getting
into
exciting
planning
acronym
territory,
which
obviously
is
good
for
me
more
seriously.
That's
yet
to
come
to
dpp,
so
there'll
be
a
lot
of
comments
and
people
can
bring
to
that.
All
elected
members
want
to
to
have
this
here
regarding
the
transport
spd,
the
climate
action
plan,
I'm
gonna
bring
polly
in
on
that.
I
I
But
what
I
will
say
is
that
this
year's
executive
board
report
will
see
elements
of
that
kind
of
at
the
level
of
the
food
action
plan,
and
so
things
especially
linked
specifically
to
the
council's
estate
you'll,
start
to
see
much
much
more
detail
in
like
things
like
an
energy
strategy
and
things
like
a
fleet
plan
that
show
actually
the
steps
to
get
there
and
so
and
things
like
the
housing
strategy
that
will
come
out
later
in
probably
about
march
time
again
that
will
start
to
show
those
steps,
and
so
I
think
that
acts
as
our
overarching
climate
action
plan.
I
B
B
What
do
we
do
for
this
next
bit?
Those
are
the
councils
that
tend
to
be
ringing
up
places
like
leeds
to
say.
Oh,
this
zero
carbon
thing
you're
on
about.
How
do
we
do
this
so
we're
in
a
good
place
in
terms
of
our
material
work,
but
I
agree,
packaging
up
is
is
important.
Sometimes
I
mean
we've
talked
about
this
a
few
times.
Aren't
we
colleagues,
but
sometimes
leads,
are
sort
of
collectively,
not
quite
as
good
as
perhaps
we
should
be
in
selling
what
we're
doing
and
advertising
what
we're
doing.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
It's
just
on
council
forces
comment
about
the
transport
strategy.
If
I
can
beg
your
leave
thanks.
Yes,
certain
people
will
say
we're
not
ambitious
enough
that
30
car
reduction
isn't
ambitious
enough.
It's
an
it's
an
ambition.
It
doesn't
mean
to
say
that
we
won't
do
won't,
try
for
40
or
50
or
even
100.
You
know
it's
it's
it's
an
ambition.
D
We
did
have
comments
as
well
that
it
was
too
ambitious.
So
you've
got
to
you
know,
and
we've
got
to
take
the
majority
of
people
in
leads
and
70
of
them.
People
who
responded
to
the
consultation
thought
it
was
in
the
the
right
area
and
if
the
majority
of
people
in
leeds
think
this
right,
then
we
will
be
able
to
achieve
that.
If
we
go
too
ambitious,
then
we
won't
take
the
majority
with
us
and
therefore
we
won't
achieve
what
we
want
to
achieve
in.
D
If
you
compare
it
and
counselor
carl
has
and
so
and
big
thanks
to
him-
and
if
you
know
leeds
is,
has
one
of
the
most
ambitious
transport
strategies
in
the
country
and
well
sorry
in
the
comparing
it
to
the
other
car
cities,
because
obviously
there's
no
point
comparing
us
to
rural
areas.
So
I
believe
that
we
are
sufficiently
ambitious,
but
we
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
achieve
more.
But
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Chair.
B
Thanks
character,
hayden
julie
noted
on
that
and
one
thing
just
a
comment
on.
One
of
the
things
we
have
to
do
is
because
the
the
the
world
moves
pretty
fast
and
I
think
it's
there's
a
duty
owners
in
there
to
keep
policies
and
strategy
documents
as
up-to-date
as
possible,
almost
like
as
living
documents
that
evolve
rather
than
things
that
sits
on
shelves
for
five
ten
years.
So
I
think
that's
what
we're
endeavoring
to
do.
Okay,
so
next
up
is
councilwoodsworth,
then
council
berkeley
again,
then
councillor
ray.
E
Thank
you,
chad.
My
apologies
for
the
meeting.
It
seemed
to
took
me
out
when
you
started
the
youtube
feed.
I'm
not
too
sure
what
happened
I'm
back
in.
Can
I
just
first
of
all
compliment
pie
on
the
work
that
she's
done
this
year.
It
has
been
very
comprehensive
and
very
competently
led,
particularly
the
stuff
that
came
to
community
committees.
E
However,
this
four
degree
statement
in
your
forward
chair
I
mean
I
I
just
can't
agree
with
it
and
even
your
own
members,
council
cahill,
says
that
all
the
policies
around
cop
26
were
2.7
2.8.
So
I
just
can't
agree
with
council
for
size
about
the
the
four
degree
it
may
be.
A
four
degree
world
is
unlivable
in,
but
the
policies
that
we
are
working
to
and
we
have
to
have
some
sort
of
realistic
framework
up
2.7
to
2.8.
E
Secondly,
our
targets
may
be
ambitious,
but
we
may
be
a
brick
in
a
very
big
wall,
but
we're
a
very
small
brick
and
when
we
are
a
leeds
committee
and
when
we
lay
foundations,
we
lay
foundations
the
same
as
the
building.
We
are
going
to
build
next
door
to
be
there
building
a
single-story
building,
so
they
have
laid
foundation
for
that
not
for
a
tower
block.
That's
going
to
go
up
there,
so
we
have
to
get
the
foundations
right
compared
with
the
size
of
building.
E
We
are
building,
and
you
yourself
talked
about
cop
26
chair
and
you
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
that
and
I
think
we
have
to
deliver
the
facts
rather
than
the
social
media
comments.
As
we
know,
a
lot
of
social
media
is
is
not
correct
and
he's
misleading
as
we
find
from
the
election
members
on
with
regards
to
that,
and
it
is
about
taking
people
with
us.
I
think
the
council
hadn't
said
about
taking
people
with
you.
Well
I
mean
with
the
radisson's
transport
strategy.
E
E
They
will
go
100
yards
over
that
border
and
do
that
to
get
all
the
benefits
of
leads
but
pay
all
the
benefits
of
another
authority
and
so
I'll
I'll
leave
it
at
you.
I
would
just
say
that
you
know
I
don't
think
you
can
take
for
granted
that
we're
going
to
approve
this
report
either
page
by
page
or
in
its
entirety,
and
I
just
think
we
need
to
be
aware
of
that.
At
the
beginning.
Thanks.
B
Well,
if
the
the
last
22
months
have
taught
us
anything,
it's
never
take
anything
for
granted
jesus
in
as
well,
but
when
I
say
social
media
comments-
and
it's
probably
worth
pointing
out
that
when
I
refer
to
social
media
comments,
I'm
not
talking
about
some
random
from
some
part
of
the
world.
I'm
talking
about
the
world's
leading
climate
experts.
B
I
think
you
know
that
that's
who
I
tend
to
follow
on
my
social
media,
as
you
might
imagine,
and
I
could
rattle
off
a
couple
of
but
names
that
you
should
follow.
But
let's,
let's
let's
talk
about
for
now,
but
that's
what
I
talk
about
when
I
talk
about
social
media
comments,
I
think,
with
the
four
degree
statement
in
the
intro,
I
think
I
think
what
I
need
is
is
to
expand
that
to
explain
it
better.
B
I
I've
no
problem
in
doing
that,
but,
like
I
will
say
in
terms
of
where
we
are
likely
to
be
heading
at
the
moment-
and
I
keep
reiterating
this
on
blue
in
the
face
at
the
moment,
a
40
degree
world
is
four
mile
lighter
than
a
1.5
degree
world,
and
if
that
doesn't
put
energy
in
your
socks,
then
I
don't
know
what
wouldn't
that
would
would.
B
Rather
so
I
mean
it
is
just
incredibly
important
that
we're
clear
about
people
with
this
we're
doing
fantastic
working
leads,
and
we
are
doing
our
bit
we're
more
than
doing
a
bit.
I
think,
actually,
I
think,
we're
we're
hopefully
going
to
end
be
a
climate
exemplar
city,
an
exemplary
council
and
I
think,
we're
on
path
to
that.
But
we
need
to
be
clear
about
just
just
the
job
of
work
that
is
in
front
of
us.
B
Like
I
said
in
the
council
chamber,
the
situation
we're
in
now
is
a
september
1939
situation,
it's
not
business
as
usual
and
perhaps
I'll
bring
that
out
in
the
intro
a
little
bit
more.
But
I
think
I
said
that
consistently
across
the
time
I've
been
cf
chair
folks,
is
that
we
are
in
a
situation
that
that
demands
that
level
of
response
and
I'm
not
going
to
start
making
that
clear
to
the
people
of
leeds
okay,
so
councillor
ray.
G
Thank
you
chair,
and
it's
really
just
to
comment
on
some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made.
I
hadn't
been
aware
that
leaves
has
become
its
own
little
universal
island
where
climate
stopped
at
the
board
and
we
didn't
affect
everything
as
some
colleagues
are
seeming
to
suggest.
I
also
might
suggest
some
colleagues
from
certain
parties
might
actually
want
to
listen
to
their
own.
Prime
minister.
G
I
know
that's
a
novelty
at
the
moment
in
terms
of
what
comes
from,
but
it's
the
prime
minister
themselves
that
are
actually
saying
that
this
is
a
make
or
break
moment
not
just
for
the
country
but
for
the
planet.
So
you
might
want
to
actually
listen
to
your
own
prime
minister
when
he
was
speaking
to
global
leaders,
and
I
just
give
the
example
of
this.
G
We
ensure
for
the
worst
and
hope
for
the
best,
and
if
you
take
the
opinion
that
actually
it
might
not
be
as
bad
as
the
global
climate
scientist
is
saying
and
all
this
etc.
Then
you're
going
to
the
general
public.
It
might
not
be
as
bad,
so
you
don't
have
to
worry
as
much.
You
don't
have
to
change
your
lifestyle.
So
much
the
council
doesn't
have
to
do
as
much
and
you're
actually
giving
the
scope
for
people
to
do
less.
You
have
to
be
honest
about
the
worst
case
scenario.
G
We
do
it
in
almost
all
walks
of
life
and
in
all
processes-
and
I
said
I
said
you
know-
that's
why
we
have
insurances.
I
don't
want
my
house
to
be
flooded.
I
get
insurance
just
to
make
sure
if
it
does
get
flooded.
I
can
do
something
about
it
and
I
put
steps
in
place
like
flood
alleviation
schemes
etc,
and
prevention.
G
So
as
much
psychic
colleagues
are,
the
wording
may
need
to
be
tidied
up
and
these
things
always
need
to
be
redrafted
and
tidy
up
to
actually
want
to
ignore
the
fact
that
even
a
two
plus
percent
increase,
but
four
percent,
which
the
world's
leading
scientists
have
said,
would
be
disastrous
for
human
civilization
on
this
planet
and
surprisingly,
leeds
is
part
of
this
planet.
I
wasn't
aware,
suddenly
moved
somewhere
else,
all
of
a
sudden
in
the
great
multiverse
you
know.
G
In
the
end,
we
have
to
be
really
honest
with
the
people
of
leeds,
because
going
to
council
was
worth
point.
It'll
be
their
businesses
that
fail
it'll,
be
their
family's
lives
that
are
destroyed.
This
city
will
never
be
the
same
again,
let
alone
this
country
or
planet.
So
it's
not
being
doomy.
It's
not
been
unreasonable.
G
It's
telling
people
the
facts
that
if
we
do
not
get
a
grip
of
this,
not
just
as
a
city
but
as
a
nation
and
as
a
planet,
the
civilization
they
have
come
used
to
the
standard
of
living
there
from
used
to
is
gone,
and
if
that's
not
being
honest
to
the
people
that
have
elected
us
to
manage
their
city
and
to
help
manage
their
futures,
then
why
are
we
actually
here?
Because
all
we're
being
at
that
point
is
steady.
B
Can
you
believe
that
22
months
into
a
pandemic
and
of
all
this
and
I'm
on
my
commute
as
a
chair?
But
thank
you
paul,
that's
exactly
right.
Yeah
couldn't
have
said
it
better
myself,
okay,
so
we're
probably
going
to
be
moving
on
to
further
comments
about
downstairs.
Council
buckley,
then
councillor
anderson
encounter
carlill
and
the
council
of
illinois.
C
Thank
you,
chair
yeah,
one
of
two
things
here.
Councillor
forsake
started
off
talking
about
about
something
a
theme
of
that
we're
all
living
in
this
big
world
which
councillor
ray
just
talked
about,
and
that's
right.
But
the
point
is
we're
not
responsible
for
the
world.
C
C
C
On
this
matter,
so
it's
all
about
leads
now.
I
think
it
was
counselor
cardinal
actually
who
normally
speaks
a
lot
of
sense,
and
he
mentioned.
I
think
it
was
him
and
he'll.
Forgive
me
if
it
wasn't
that
on,
educate
and
inform
that
leads.
The
citizens
of
leeds
have
been
educated
and
informed
about
this
matter
about
climate
change.
C
C
If
a
lot
of
these
measures
were
ultimately
carried
out
than
they
would
be
otherwise,
and
I
would
just
say
again-
and
this
was
definitely
council
of
carlill-
the
city
has
sent
us
a
strong
message
and
the
citizens
of
leeds
have
asked
us
to
be
tough
well
about.
One
percent
of
the
citizens
of
leeds
have
asked
us
to
be
tough
and
they're
the
ones
who
even
know
that
the
city
council
has
a
climate
policy.
C
C
In
the
summary
to
the
report,
it
says:
funding
in
the
context
of
the
climate,
emergency
and
alternative
funding
rooms.
Well,
I
so
what
does
that
mean
please
and
then
secondly,
develop
cross-party
lobbying
strategies
on
key
climate
related
issues?
C
B
B
I
would
suggest
a
country
rocked
by
that
and
by
the
pandemic,
needs
an
economic
multiplier.
It
needs
a
lot
of
economic
multipliers
and
we
can
do
that
by
adjusting
transition
to
a
zero
card
mechanic.
We
can
provide
people
of
this
city
doing
our
bits
to
their
global
contribution,
good,
real
long,
lasting
skill,
jobs
that
are
very
difficult
to
automate,
and
that
should
be
of
a
benefit
and
interest
to
everyone
in
this
city.
B
In
terms
of
taxes,
it's
probably
worth
pointing
out-
and
I
don't
I
don't
particularly
like
doing
this,
but
look.
We
have
a
conservative
government
in
power
nationally.
We
have
to
work
with
them,
but
I
am
duty
bound
to
know
that
in
the
last
budget
the
conservative
government
shifted
the
tax
burden
onto
people
with
lower
incomes
and
cut
and
cut
the
taxes
on
bankers
bonuses.
B
B
You
know
that
that's
happening
incredibly
unfair.
There's
that
that's
happening.
I
think
I'll
park
taxes
for
now.
Anybody
else
wants
to
mention
them,
they're
quite
quite
welcome
to
polly.
Can
I
bring
you
one
on
the
summary
the
points
that
the
council
of
buckley
raised
on
the
summary?
Please.
I
C
Sorry
in
the
in
the
bullet
point
you
have
one
two,
three,
four
five
six
bullet
points
about
four
paragraphs
down
and
the
first
one:
what
is
it
funding
in
the
context
of
the
climate,
emergency
etc?
C
I
Okay,
fine,
so
in
terms
of
the
funding
in
the
context
of
the
climate
emergency,
it
was
referring
back
to
the
presentation
that
we
had
where
we
set
out
what
the
level
of
funding
required
would
be
in
order
to
meet
the
climate
emergency.
And
then
we
looked
at
different
routes
of
funding
and
it
was
looking
at
you
know.
We
had
the
banks
without
boundary.
I
We
had
abundance
talking
about
community
bonds
and
talking
about
the
national
government's
green
bond
that
was
coming
in
bankers
without
boundary
were
talking
about
how
we
layered
in
the
grant
funding,
but
then
also
that
able
to
pay
market
and
looking
at
alternative
funding
routes.
And
so
I
can
reword
that
to
make
that
clear.
But
that's
that's
what
it
was
referring
to
and
and
then
in
terms
of
the
lobbying.
I
So
a
lot
of
that
has
gone
probably
more
through
the
specific
working
group,
so,
for
example,
with
the
past
2035,
I
think
that
went
to
base
from
memory.
I
just
have
to
double
check,
and
that
was
where
we.
So
we
worked
up
the
you
know
what
what
were
the
pros
and
cons
and
what
were
the
key
points
that
we
wanted
to
bring
across,
and
we
did
that
through
the
working
group
through
presentations
and
then
on
the
back
of
that
the
officers
developed
letters
and,
and
then
I
suppose
as
well.
I
One
thing
I
have
thought
probably
should
have
referred
to
in
the
report.
It's
my
mistake
was
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund,
which
actually
was
the
work
of
last
year,
but
actually
the
implications
of
that
follow
through
this
year.
So
that
ended
up
with
the
report
going
to
executive
board
and
then
a
letter
has
gone
to
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund
with
the
sort
of
recommendations
from
except
board
which
were
a
direct
result
of
the
group
that
was
held
here.
I
B
Thanks
for
that
polly
I
mean
first
person's
chair.
I
think
that's
really
important.
You
put
that
in
and
I
just
I'm
gonna
bring
counselor
anderson,
but,
just
just
to
say,
people
frequently
bring
up
what
bring
up
what's
happening
in
the
rest
of
the
world.
With
regard
to
climate,
and
particularly
china's
mention
and
a
council
book
that
things
reference
china
and
it's
true,
china
is
probably
I
don't
have
the
data
exactly
to
have,
but
china's
probably
the
biggest
consumer
of
coal
for
the
generation
of
electricity.
B
There
is
within
the
chinese
communist
party,
a
diverse
review,
shall
we
say
regarding
climate,
just
as
there
is
in
many
other
political
entities
around
the
world,
but
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
when
we
reference
china,
because
china
is
many
many
many
places,
and
there
are
many
many
facets
of
china-
that,
but
by
turns
incredible
and
terrifying
and
awful
like
any
large
superpower,
there
are.
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
when
we
reference
china.
I
think
perhaps
china's
biggest
challenge
is
the
workshop
of
the
world
at
the
moment.
B
Isn't
it,
and
so
it's
consumption,
carbon
and
the
consumption
carbon
that
we
buy
from
it?
If
you
like,
is
going
to
represent
a
huge
societal
challenge
for
us
as
a
civilization,
I
think
we
need
yeah.
It's
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
perhaps
keeps
should
keep
us
up
at
night.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
change
what
we
consume?
How
do
we
make
consuming
things
not
not
as
impactful
and
greatly
reduce
that
impact?
On
that
happy
note,
I'll
bring
in
kelsey
anderson.
A
Right,
yeah
I'll,
try
and
get
through
everything,
so
we
can
speed
things
up
on
page
23
at
the
very
top
it
says
in
november
the
main
committee
looked
at
green
jobs
and
skills
in
more
depth.
No
problem
with
that,
but
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
a
comment
that
we're
still
going
to
have
to
carry
out
work
to
look
at
the
net
effect
of
all
of
this,
because
it's
not
a
case
of
someone
who
is
skilled
in
job.
A
A
is
immediately
going
to
be
skilled
to
be
able
to
a
job
in
the
new
green
economy
and
it's
how
we're
going
to
transition
people
across
how
we're
going
to
train
people
to
get
across
just
words
to
that
effect.
I'm
not
arguing
whatever.
Then
the
next
thing,
one
two
three
lines
down:
examine
the
role
of
various
parties
in
this
transition:
government
education
sector
industry.
Can
we
also
put
in
leeds
city
council
as
well,
because
leeds
city
council
need
to
look
at
what
they
can
do
for
say.
A
It's
already
highlighted
the
climate
plan
we've
got
so
we
need
to
keep
that
under
watchful
review.
So
it's
yes,
these
people,
you
know
they're.
I'm
not
disputing
the
government's
probably
got
the
biggest
role
to
play,
I'm
not
trying
to
play
that
down,
but
I
do
think
we
need
to
put,
in
the
words
lead
city
council,
so
that's
that
and
that
one
then,
if
we
go
over
the
page
to
the
page,
24
the
finance
group,
I
do
think
we
need
to
look
at
how
we
can.
A
We
need
to
start
explaining
to
residents
the
costs
and
I
call
it
the
sacrifices.
But
that's
me
I'm
not
asking
to
put
the
word
sacrifices
in,
but
what's
going
to
be
the
cost
and
what
are
people
going
to
have
to
make
choices
on
in
order
to
move
forward
climate
change
so
that
people
are
aware
that
they
need
to
decide?
Well,
we
can
do
this
or
we
can
do
that.
We
won't
be
able
to
do
both
and
if
we're,
if
you're,
currently
got
a
high
carbon
footprint.
B
A
A
What
were
the
key
recommendations
that
we
made
to
executive
board
this
year?
Are
you
know
to
councillor
hayden?
What
did
we
actually
as
a
board
make
recommendations
and
what
have
been
the
decision
makers
responses
to
those?
You
know
it's
a
bit
like
a
strategy
report
where
they
come
back
and,
let's
be
quite
frank,
nine
times
out
of
ten
the
exact
member
comes
back
and
saying
we
support
what
scrutiny
are
saying,
blah
blah
blah,
and
this
is
how
we're
moving
it
forward,
something
like
that.
That
shows
the
value
added
we've
done.
A
I
would
also
suggest
that
maybe
we
put
in
some
targets
for
next
year,
for
example,
that
we
will
deliver
on
getting
the
planning
reforms
through
development
plans
panel.
You
know
so
that
we
we
can
get
them
in
place
as
quickly
as
you
possibly
can
something
like
that,
something,
that's
just
an
example.
I
think
we
would
all
agree
with
that.
The
planning
reforms
we
want
so
in
the
next
year,
we
we
as
a
board
will
continue
get
the
pressure
up
things
to
that
effect.
A
You
know,
and
you
know
I'll
I'll
leave
it
there,
but
I
mean
in
general.
I
think
we've
also
got
to
start
as
a
group
looking
at
the
council's
current
policies
and
seeing
where
there
are
contradictions
in
them.
That
might
mean
delivering
for
climate
change
is
going
to
be
difficult
because
I'm
not
totally
convinced
that
every
single
council
department
is
working
to
the
same
goals
at
the
end,
because
you
often
find
you
want
to
do
this,
but
some
other
department's
got
another
little
agenda
and
it's
our
role
to
me.
You
should
be
working
towards
that.
A
B
Here's
the
thought,
counselor
anderson.
No,
I
think
right.
I
agree
with
everything
I
think
we
can
do
outside
this
sentence
again.
Counselor
anderson.
I
think
we
can
actually
most
of
the
points
you've
raised.
A
Yeah,
what
I'm
suggesting
in
the
finance
working
group
is
that
you
know
we've
got
all
of
this,
which
is
the
work
that
polly's
clearly
outlined.
What
I'm
saying
is,
but
the
group
also
will
be
looking
into
the
the
costs
and
identifying
some
of
the
check.
The
choices
that
people
are
going
to
have
to
make
one
of
the
outputs
from
the
finance
group
will
be
to
assess,
what's
going
to
be
the
cost
of
implementing
policy
a
yes,
some
of
it
can
come
from
increasing
council
tax.
A
If
that
was
so
desirable,
but
the
vast
majority
of
it
we
know
will
need
to
come
from
central
government
grant.
I
mean
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
yeah,
it's
just
and
also
where
choices
it
will
be
up
to
individual
choices
as
to
where
they
spend
their
money.
You
know
right
on
choosing
to
do
a
rather
than
b.
That's
the
type
of
thing.
I
think
we
need
to
yeah
that
that's
the
sort
of
thing
we
will
look
at
because
at
the
moment
it's
all
supposition.
You
know
I
can
argue
a
point.
A
B
I
think
yeah,
I
think
we
can
yeah.
I
think
we
can
add
in
a
wee
paragraph
on
that,
to
those
lines
it's
kind
of
the
group
in
the
future
the
group
we're
undertaking,
since,
what's
the
effect
of
in
the
future,
the
group
will
be
undertaking
economic
analysis
on
the
cost,
savings
and
other
opportunities
for
the
people
believes.
B
A
B
That's
that's
really
helpful.
Yes,
and
I
agree.
We
can't
design
everything
by
committee
because
then
you
end
up
with
a
a
terrible
car
right.
Okay,
I'm
thinking
the
name
of
an
austin
car
from
when
I
was
my
brief
car
fares
in
the
mid-80s,
and
I
just
completely
failed.
So
nevermind
austin
maestro
the
worst
car
ever
made.
There
you
go,
we
found
one
great
more
seriously.
H
Thanks
chad,
in
fact,
I
think
it's
his
odd
bit
because
there's
many
things
we
don't
agree
on,
but
there
are
quite
a
lot
of
things
that
I
think
we
do
agree
on
in
in
many
of
it.
I
think
council
buckley
raised
the
point
around
when
I
was
saying
we
got
there.
It
was
more
consultation.
I
was
talking
about
neil
rather
than
the
communication.
H
I
think
in
fact,
you're
completely
right,
neil,
that,
in
terms
of
consultation,
people
gave
us
a
view
of
where
they
want
to
be
in
terms
of
outward
communication
with
people
really
understanding
where
we
believe
2030
should
or
could
or
will
look
like.
H
I
think
that's
where
we've
got
more
to
do
and
I
think
we're
muddying
the
reports
here
a
bit
because
more
of
that
is
in
the
next
report
that
will
come
to
executive
board,
but
I
think
what
you're
completely
in
is
that
in
the
consultation
people
were
happy
with
where
we
were
going,
but
actually
there
are
many
people
there
who
won't
have
engaged
with.
H
It
won't
have
necessarily
engage
with
this
agenda
at
all,
and
there
is
still
some,
I
think,
confusion
out
there
of
where
we're
going,
because
you
yourself,
but
then
that
point
about
people's
jobs
outside
and
and
the
jobs
that
everyone's
doing.
H
I
think
I
mean
this
for
the
same
reason
as
you,
because
the
problem
is
I'm
a
bit
concerned
about
their
jobs,
myself
we're
going
to
get
to
a
point
where
the
world
is
very
different
than
it
is
today
and
I'm
very
concerned
we'll
be
going
into
an
issue
where
suddenly
people
find
their
jobs
have
disappeared
and
that's
not
an
industry
anymore
that
they
currently
work
in
and
if
we
don't
start
now,
then
we're
stuck
with
a
1980s
miners
situation.
H
Certainly
in
terms
of
the
policies
we
could
in
leeds
and
then
in
the
uk
really
get
those
opportunities
and
jobs,
and
I
think
that's
where
I'd
really
like
us
to
see,
because
we
can
you
mentioned
the
other
countries
around
the
world
and
where
they
could
be.
We
could
set
an
example,
but
also
we
could
be
first
to
get
those
jobs
and
opportunities
in
those
green
industries,
because
we've
got
the
the
ability
to
do
so.
H
We've
got
a
reasonably
skilled
population,
but
if
we
look
at
the
skill
side
of
it
and
what
education
might
be
needed
and
then
look
at
what
manufacturing
and
what
other
jobs
we
could
set
up
here,
that
would
help
us
towards
the
future.
Then,
actually
that's
the
opportunity,
I'm
seeing
more
about
people's
jobs,
so
I
think
we're
all
we're
all
thinking
of
the
same
things
and
concerned
about
many
of
the
same
issues.
H
But
my
view
on
it,
I
guess
is-
is
the
completely
opposite
one,
because
this
is
where
we're
heading,
and
I
don't
think
we've
had
any
arguments
about
where
we're
heading
really
that's
a
bit.
What
I'm
looking
to
not
really
for
this
report,
but
probably
in
the
next
one
I
think
we
do
need
to
be
really
open
and
honest
with
people
about
where
we're
getting
to
as
a
city
and
where
the
countries
get
into.
H
I
think
neil
said
them,
things
that
are
controversial
and
newsworthy
in
this
committee
in
the
past
and
they've
been
built
pulled
up.
The
chair,
councilor
wall
shaw,
has
made
some
articles
on
this.
The
forward
to
this,
I
don't
think
is,
is
anyway
near
the
most
controversial
headline
grabbing
thing
he's
ever
said.
H
I
I
keep
a
close
eye
on
climate
action
tracker,
which
is
a
good
way
of
seeing
how
policies
around
the
world
are
going,
and
I
think
the
risk
factor
that
it
puts
us
on
now
is
somewhere
between
getting
between
a
two
degree
world
or
a
3.6
degree
world.
So
I
think,
what's
in
the
forward,
there
is
probably
where
we're
going-
maybe
he's
not
quite
four
but
3.6
is,
I
think,
where
it
sets
us
as
us
to
go
in.
H
So
I
think
that
we
are
getting
there
and
I
think
it's
those
opportunities
that
I
want
to
make
sure
we
take
getting
there
to
both
decrease
it
and
to
make
sure
people
are
there.
So
I
think,
as
we
go
through,
I
think
there
is
more
to
look
at
next
year
in
setting
out
what
2030
could
look
like
to
people
on
things
like
the
transport
strategy,
we're
going
as
far
as
I
think
we
believe
we
can
get
to
in
the
national
policy
context
and
with
the
changes
that
people
would
have
to
make
on
there.
H
Why
I
completely
agree
with
ann
is
we
need
to
go
further
if
we're
going
to
meet
the
climate
emergency
and
the
transport
strategy
quite
clearly
says
that.
So
I
think
that's
the
point
where
we're
in
we
need
to
go
further.
At
the
moment
we
haven't
got
the
permission
to
go
further
or
the
understanding
to
go
further
and
that's
where
we
need
to
be,
and
that's
probably
where
I
won't
need
to
focus
on
over
this
next
year.
H
I
think
to
get
to
get
that
understanding
gap
and
I
think
in
in
trying
to
be
collegiate
in
a
way
that
that's
what
we're
all
looking
for
in
many
ways
and
certainly
barry's
points-
were
really
useful
around
there
really
making
sure
that
people
understand
what
this
means
for
them.
I
know.
Sometimes
people
are
talking
about
the
tax
burden
of
what
this
might
mean
for
them,
but
I
think
what
it
might
mean
for
them,
there's
the
opposite
as
well
of
what
it
might
mean
for
them.
H
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
I
agree:
council
carl
yeah.
I
think,
there's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
comments
about
future
work
there
and
I
think
they're
really
useful.
It's
going
to
be
the
rest
of
this
municipal
year
into
the
next
one
are
going
to
be
extremely
busy
for
us,
as
rightly
they
should
be.
E
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
I'd
like
to
come
to
back
to
a
topic
which
we've
been
talking
about
earlier
on
this
morning,
about
building
the
wall,
putting
the
bricks
in
place
and
gradually
constructing
a
coherent
policy,
and
that's
where
I
I
felt
we
could
possibly
doing
more
or
possibly
the
report
could
say
we're
doing
more.
E
I'm
looking
at
evolving
policies,
for
example,
for
example,
a
tree
policy
that
you
need
to
have
some
policies
in
places
what
you're
gonna
do
with
all
the
the
finnish
trees
that
are
going
to
be
grown
in
their
millions
over
the
next
50
years,
most
important
to
prevent
them
rotting
and
converting
themselves
back
to
the
co2
which
they've
so
laboriously
fixed.
And
at
the
moment
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
stuff
in
place.
E
For
that,
I
see
three
surgeons
working
around
leads
and
they
seem
to
be
putting
the
stuff
through
the
chipper
and
arranging
for
its
fairly
speedy
conversion
back
to
co2,
and
that
seems
to
be
not
as
a
smart
idea.
E
We
might
be
thinking
about
using
wood
for
construction.
We
might
be
thinking
about
producing,
biochar
and
budding
it
again
to
try
and
pay
back.
Some
of
our
carbon
debt
from
previous
centuries,
but
I'm
looking,
but
I'm
not
necessarily
finding
policies
that
gradually
crystallize
around
what
we're
going
to
do
with
wood,
how
we're
going
to
make
sure
the
co2
stays
fixed,
how
we're
going
to
keep
the
co2
concentration
atmosphere
down,
and
at
the
moment
I
think
we
could
certainly
say
more
about
it.
E
We
might
need
to
do
more
about
it
as
well
in
terms
of
discussion,
political
debate,
there's
another
thing
which
and
again,
I'm
not
expecting
any
quick
answer
on
this.
That
worries
me
and
that's
about
political
decision
making.
As
you
know,
I
I
come
from
a
science
background
and
I've
always
found
the
whip
of
irksome
but
necessary.
I
I've
seen
scientists
placed
in
in
decision-making
positions
and
they
have
a
whip
fairly
soon
as
well.
E
So
it
is
a
different
kind
of
decision-making
where
you
need
to
be
coherent,
sometimes
in
politics,
just
what
you're
going
to
do,
and
that
involves
silencing
some
of
the
disparate
voices,
whereas
in
science,
of
course,
anybody
can
have
a
punt
and
there
is
no
notion
of
there
being
a
whip
or
a
party
line,
and
indeed
I
can
think
of
examples
where
major
changes
in
understanding
have
come
about
from
one
individual
saying
oi.
It
ain't
quite
like
that.
It's
not
in
my
lab.
It
isn't.
E
B
You
know
no
thanks,
and
I
mean
it
just
just
it.
You
know
this.
This
report
is
not
a
run-through
of
everything,
we're
doing
all
our
policies.
For
me.
Obviously,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
three
policies
in
our
climax
and
plan,
but
if
you've
got
anything
specific,
you
want
to
bring
come
to
the
working
groups
and
we
can
crack
on
with
that
and
it's
in
in
terms
of
decision
making
I
mean
the
political
decision-making
of
of
the
administration
has
led
to
all
the
good
works.
We
see.
B
We've
been
talking
about
for
the
past
two
years.
I
mean
you
know
we're
a
leading
edge
climate
city.
Well,
that's
come
about
through
political
decision
making,
yes
and
choices
that
we've
made.
We
made
the
strategic
choice
to
declare
a
climate
emergency
and
reorientate
ourselves
as
a
council
towards
addressing
this,
knowing
that
not
only
is
it
the
right
thing
to
do
in
terms
of
the
science
and
the
small
matter
of
civilizational
survival,
but
also
that
it
brings
real
economic
benefits
to
the
people
of
leeds
in
a
rapidly
changing
world.
B
So
I
think
we
know
we
should
be
be
celebrating
that
series
of
decision
making
right
rink
it
is.
We
have
talked
full
somebody
at
length
folks
and
I'm
just
wondering
about
time.
We've
got
well,
it's
it's,
however
long
it
takes
really,
but
I
do
try
to
keep
the
timer's
chair,
so
council
force
safe.
The
council
was
with
then
council
buckley.
F
Oh,
thank
you
very
much.
I
won't
you
said.
Take
too
long
on
this
one
and
following
on
really
from
what
councilwoman
was
saying
about
policies,
and
I
I
sometimes
wonder
to
myself
what
could
we
actually
do
legally
on
some
things
as
a
city,
for
example,
just
throwing
this
one
out
there?
F
F
Just
as
as
a
council
for
example,
and
then
thank
you,
counselor
carla
for
sort
of
drawing
us
all
together
to
sort
of
yes,
we're
all
really
on
the
same
platform
here
and
just
something
from
what
counselor
hayden
was
making
reference
to
earlier
about
the
transport
strategy
and
what
people
came
back
to
say-
and
I
was
what
put
me
in
mind:
was
the
members
of
the
climate
jury
went
in
to
the
climate
jury?
F
So
as
far
as
you
know,
putting
things
out
for
consultation,
we
need
to
make
informed
decisions
now
we're
all
informed,
and
one
of
the
things
I
was
wanting
to
raise
actually
was
that
we
had
thank
you
again
to
polly
over
two
years
ago
now
we
had
the
climate
emergency
training
offered
the
is
it
climate
literacy
training,
and
I'm
wondering
how
much
we
are
doing
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
own
groups
are
well
informed
and
are
having
the
right
decisions
and
sort
of
conversations
if
you
like.
F
H
F
I
think
that
should
be
amazing
way
forward,
just
one
other,
just
very
small
thing
and
I've
not
actually
myself
looked
at
it
yet,
but
I
should
have
done,
is
tying
in
with
the
yorkshire
and
humber
climate
and
our
action
plan.
I
think,
looking
forward.
I
think
that's
that's
quite
significant.
B
Yeah
no
yeah,
thanks,
though
I
mean
yeah.
Certainly
I
think
what
are
our
legal
limits
is
something
we're
always
always
wanting
to
test.
So
I
think
we
probably
bring
a
discussion
about
that
into
our
work
program.
We
already
do
it
in
terms
of
sort
of
planning
the
local
plan,
the
climate
emergency
said
local
plan
review
is
all
about
testing
the
legal
limits,
it's
in
it
and
again
for
transport
as
well,
but
I
mean
we
can
always
keep
working
on
that.
B
I
think
climate
literacy
we've
heard
a
lot
from
last
week
with
dc
getting
getting
into
schools
it'd
be
good
if
we
could
get
some
some
national
help
with
that
as
well.
I
think
that's
something
to
take
up.
I
think
we
have
a.
We
have
both
a
relatively
new
education
secretary
and
a
new
shadow
education
secretary.
So
there's
a
job
of
work.
Lobbying
on
that
we
can.
We
can
pull
together
as
a
committee
and,
yes,
the
auction
number
climate
action
building.
B
Those
linkages
I
mean,
certainly
we've
got
there's
a
lot
of
cross-fertilization
between
our
work,
we've
done
and
the
work
that
they're
doing,
because
there's
a
lot
of
the
same
actors
within
them
within
the
the
the
commissions.
So
I
think,
there's
again
we
will
build
up
those
links
in
the
coming
the
coming
year.
So
thanks
for
that
and
that's
really
helpful
next,
I've
got
council
wadsworth
and
then
council,
duckling
paul.
E
Thank
you
chair.
It
just
sounded
feel
a
bit
like
groundhog
day
today.
I
just
want
to
come
back
to
council
forth
highest
point
about
banning
peat
based
compost
composts
in
leeds.
If
we
did
and
could
do
that
which
we,
I
don't
believe
we
ever
could,
but
people
would
just
hop
over
to
wakefield
and
buy
it
or
bradford
invite.
E
So
what
would
be
the
point
I
mean
I'm
all
for
encouraging
people
not
to
buy
it
worldwide,
but
there
again
we
are
a
leads
committee
and
if
we
do
something
and
leave,
we've
got
to
ensure
that
they
can't
just
hop
over
into
the
next
street
and
right
there.
So
I
I
just
I
thought
I'd
made
that
point
last
time
chair,
but
I
didn't
appear
to
be
getting
there,
but
regard
to
your
point
on
tax
burdens.
I
may
agree.
I
may
disagree
about
what
our
government
is
about
taxes.
E
However,
the
district
heating
and
the
carbon
reduction
measures
have
been
very,
very
useful
and
good
for
council
tenants
and
were
much
needed.
However,
we
don't
seem
to
be
really
addressing
these
jams.
We
don't
hear
much
about
them,
they're
just
about
managing
people.
They're
people
that
bought
a
relatively
modest
house,
probably
on
the
right
to
buy.
I
won't
go
into
why
right
to
buy
was
good,
but
you
know
they.
They
bought
it
on
the
right
to
buy
they're.
Both
working
they've
got
children.
E
They've
got
a
mortgage
and
they're
left
with
the
position
really,
where
they're
being
asked
to
put
to
go
away
from
gas
and
go
on
to
a
air
source
heat
pump
and
the
costs
of
that
very
quickly.
Chair
are
13
000
to
install
5
000
from
the
government,
with
a
net
loss
of
8
000
pounds.
Now
the
selling
point
I
appreciate
your
say
is:
you
will
not
be
relying
on
gas
and
your
electricity
electricity
bill
will
be
lower.
E
H
E
Things
that
this
city
doesn't
appear
to
really
be
tackling
and
councillor
illinois
alluded
to
that
with
regards
to
what
we're
doing
about
all
the
wood
chips
and
things
that
they're
producing
and
the
trees
when
they're
when
they're
fully
grown
this
woodland.
If
this
woodland
creation
was
to
come
to
full
fruition
and
nine
trees
were
to
grow
in
each
square,
we
would
be
overwhelmed
and
would
have
to
do
a
lot
of
thinning.
But
currently
our
recycling
is
going
down.
E
Our
use
of
public
transport
is
going
down
and
also
at
the
last
council
meeting,
you
all
had
a
little
bottle
on
your
desk
of
sanitizing
gel
much
needed
to
cover
kobe.
But
if
you'd
looked
at
the
bottom,
it
said
made
in
vietnam
now
I
thought
we
could
make
sanitizing
joe
a
little
closer
than
vietnam
and
your
bio
food
and
biodiversity
group.
I
think,
want
to
ban
air
freight,
probably
from
countries
such
as
malta
and
israel,
which
is
much
closer
than
vietnam.
B
No
thanks,
councilwood
yeah,
I
don't
think
anything
was
specifically
afflicted
in
full
council
now.
Look
what
I
bring
polly
in
in
a
moment
on
some
of
the
the
programs
for
for
people
who
are
not
directly
in
council
housing
regarding
decarbonization.
There's
a
lot
going
on
everything
that
we're
doing
needs
upscaling
by
national
government.
To
again
you
know
a
wartime
footing
basis.
So
I'm
glad
you
agree
with
with
me
on
all
of
that
polly.
Do
you
want
to
just
talk
about
decarbonization
work
for
the
more
broader
schemes
you're
doing.
I
A
slightly
different
point
in
just
saying
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
interesting
comments
today
and
I
think
maybe
what
it's
done
is
set
out
some
of
the
future
work
programme
and
say
some
of
the
comments
council,
ransom
councilwoodsworth
have
made
about
some
of
the
challenges
and
things
being
cut
across
a
lot
of
the
working
groups.
So
some
of
the
work
the
housing
strategy
would
do
is
specifically
looking
at
actually
what
you
know,
what
does
it
mean
for
an
individual
householder
and
and-
and
I
think
you
know
the
prices
that
council
was
equating?
I
Are
you
know
right
at
the
moment?
But
I
suppose
we
are
an
early
stage
in
terms
of
air
source
heat
pumps.
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
somewhere,
like
sweden,
actually
it's
cheaper
to
put
an
air
source
heat
pump
in
than
a
gas
boiler,
because
they're
really
established
as
technologies,
and
I
suppose
that's
what
we
have
to
map
out
we're
not
asking
everyone
to
do
it
today
and
I
think
that's
where
national
government
would
be
at
that
you
will
get
to
price
parity.
I
I
think
if
you
look
at
their
strategies
in
terms
of
the
way
the
technologies
will
go,
but
I
think
it's
a
really
valid
point
that
we
need
to
have
a
session
where
we
look
at
that
and
we
look
at
that
kind
of
journey
of
those
technologies
and
what
it
will
look
like
for
the
individual
householder
and,
I
think,
really
minor
point
but
just
to
say
in
terms
of
air
freight
and
things.
I
You
know
one
of
one
of
the
challenges
we
have
is
actually
a
lot
of
these
products
are
actually
shipped
across
which
actually
have
significantly
lower
emissions,
and
you
know
so
often
it's
not
where
it
comes
from.
So
things
like
bananas
and
pineapples
might
come
from
the
caribbean,
but
actually
they
are
quite
low
in
terms
of
carbon.
It's
the
stuff
that
has
the
shorter
shelf
life
that
ends
up
getting
air
freighted
across,
which
is
what
we're
trying
to
address
with
the
food
side.
I
But
I
think
there's
some
really
good
points
about
looking
at
council
policies
and
maybe
doing
that
review
and
having
a
session
where
we
do
start
to
look
and
challenge
some
of
those.
So
if
people
are
happy
and
shared
happy,
I
could
maybe
pull
together
a
table
of
a
proposed
future
work
program
and
to
include
in
and
and
hopefully
try
and
pick
up
some
of
the
comments
that
people
make.
I
think
that's
probably
the
most
productive
way
to
take
those
forward.
If
that's
okay,
yeah.
B
And
on
on
some
of
the
programs
that
we've
offers,
we've
got
in
terms
of
decarbonization.
I
Yeah
so
we've
got,
I
mean
that
at
the
moment
they
are
mainly
targeted
at
those
in
low
household
income,
so
30
000
pounds
of
the
household
so
looking
at
obviously
solar
or
insulation,
and
we
do
have
some
where
we're
doing
air
source
heat
pumps
as
well
across
the
city.
They
are
quite
early
days,
I
would
say
in
terms
of
seeing
how
they
work
and
being
able
to
use
them
as
case
studies
and
for
me
a
lot
of
the
work
we
do
at
the
moment.
I
With
this,
what
people
in
the
uk
consider
as
new
technologies
is
about
actually
being
able
to
normalize
those
technologies
and
have
somebody
who's
who
you
can
identify
with
saying?
Actually,
it
works
for
me
and
it's
doing
well,
and
then
we
need
to
deal
with
those
kind
of
price
issues
further
down
the
road
which
is
the
work
I
think
we've
got
planned
for
next
year.
So.
B
Okay,
thanks
for
polly
there's
a
lot
of
non-members
when
you
say
pulling
together
a
work
program
and
we've
been
a
lot
of
comments
about
future
work
from
across
from
across
the
committee,
which
is
excellent.
In
that
case,
I've
got
council
blackly,
then
council,
carlill,
and
then
we
need
to
finish
and
wrap
up.
C
Yeah
thank
you
chair,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
two
or
three
points.
It
won't
take
too
long.
Okay,
councilor
anderson
just
mentioned
probably
about
15
minutes
ago
that
he
wasn't
confident
that
every
department
in
the
council
was
bought
into
this.
You
might
say
they
are,
but
the
evidence
points
are
the
wise
of
the
ways
and-
and
this
specifically
feeds
into
what
council
of
warsaws
had
just
said
about
the
angel
from
vietnam.
C
It's
just
one
of
those
things
that
whatever
the
semantics
might
be
about
the
fact
that
oh
well,
it's
already
been
brought
here.
Well
that
really
won't
wash
would
it
we
shouldn't
have
had
this
product
there
and
it's
just
a
little
thing.
That
means
it
indicates
to
people
that
we
talk
about
all
these
things,
but
we
don't
really
mean
it.
So
I
think
that
really
is
worth
stressing
on
to
the
green
jobs
point,
and
people
have
said
today
that
oh
green
jobs
will
be
and
are
being
created.
C
But
if
you've
got
100
people
supporting
an
economy,
it's
energy
needs
in
terms
of
whatever
it
is:
wind
power,
gas,
oil,
everything
and
the
totality
of
jobs
being
used
to
produce.
That
is
a
hundred.
If
you
then
provide
20
more
subsidised
green
jobs,
that's
120
people
producing
the
same
meeting.
The
same
amount
of
demand
and
ergo
is
less
productive,
less
efficient
and
inevitably
makes
people
less
well-off.
C
C
Now,
where
we've
got
great
big,
formally
sterile
grassy
areas-
and
I
can
think
of
one-
that's
about
two
miles
from
here
and
they've-
been
turned
quite
nicely
actually
into
partly
wooded
areas,
partly
allowing
the
grass
to
go
grow.
Longer
won't
pass
through
and
all
that
kind
of
thing
I've
got
no
problem
with
all
that.
I
think
it.
It
not
only
looks
okay,
it's
obviously
good
for
the
environment
and
no
problem
where
people
say
to
surely
all
of
us.
I
know
to
us
on
on
our
side,
look
at
the
state
of
the
ring
road.
C
What
does
it
say
to
people
coming
into
leeds
when,
in
fact,
the
wheat
and
the
nettles
are
three
feet
high,
but
not
wild
flowers?
It's
just
weeds
and
three
feet:
high
grass,
it
looks
a
mess
investment
by
the
council
in
both
district
heating,
and
I
thought
heat
pumps
has
led
to
job
creation
in
the
city.
C
I
would
appreciate
to
know
that
where
is
it,
how
many
jobs
please
and
then
final
point
under
the
planning
buildings
and
energy
working
group
again,
I
think
councillor
wadsworth
brought
this
up
about
bus
patronage,
we're
now
in
a
situation
with
bus
patronage
that
would
back
up
to
about
60
percent
ish
until
the
latest
announcement,
which
will
probably
push
it
down
a
bit
further
again
of
previous
bus
patronage.
C
It's
just
not
going
to
happen.
The
only
way
it
would
happen
is
by
physically
stopping
cars
coming
into
the
city,
which
is
something
that
we
cannot
support
and
could
that
lead
to
things
like
a
new
leg
zone
which
happens
elsewhere,
which
we
would
not
support,
then.
My
final
points
chairman,
thank
you.
B
Thanks
council
buckley,
I
mean
just
I
mean
officer
colleagues
might
want
to
come
in,
but
just
just
on
the
100
to
120
jobs.
The
green
economy
is
more
inefficient.
That's
just
that's
just
not
how
economies
work
so
you've
got
to
because
those
hundred
jobs
are
within
the.
If
you
like
the
carbon-based
economy.
B
Don't
so
those
hundred
jobs
are
far
from
static,
so
when
you're
putting
public
investment
on
and
not
only
public
investment,
but
directing
public
private
investment
into
transition
economy,
you're,
actually
creating
new
jobs
and
you're
moving
people
over
from
the
carbon
economy
column
and
in
the
process,
you're
well,
creating
a
better,
more
secure
economic
future
for
those
people
and
their
families,
you're
creating
more
spent
you're,
creating
more
money
to
spend
in
the
micro
economy
and
you're,
creating
a
more
stable
macro
economy.
There
really
is
no
downside
to
a
transition
economy.
B
I
can't
really
stress
this
enough:
let's
give
you
example:
if
you
live
in
the
shakespeare
tower
blocks
opposite
saint
james
hospital,
their
energy
bills
have
plummeted.
Well,
so
all
those
families
which
I
assure
you
are
not
rich
plutocrats
and
those
families
have
now
got
money
to
spend
the
local
economy
people
on
low
to
low
medium
incomes
when
they
get
savings
informed.
The
evidence
overwhelming
shows
that
they
spend
that
savings,
which
is
why
the
government's
policy
of
raising
taxes
on
people
with
low
incomes
disproportionately
so
makes
no
macro
my
korean
economic
sense.
B
It
won't
raise
the
money
to
solve
the
adult
social
care
problem.
It's
trying
to
solve
a
problem,
the
national
problem,
the
backs
of
those
on
the
on
the
backs
of
those
with
the
narrowest
economic
shoulders,
and
it
takes
money
out
the
micro
economy
and
in
a
national
economy,
that's
been
battered
by
both
brexit
and
a
pandemic.
The
last
thing
we
should
be
doing
is
taking
money
out
micro
economies
like
leeds.
So
I
think
that's
that's
I
just
I
just
fundamentally
disagree
with
the
point
that
economist
was
making
parks
and
country
side.
B
Yo
look,
those
verges,
I
must
admit.
I
get
a
little
I
get
emails
about,
verges
and
and
rewire
flowering
and
rewilding
if
you
like,
and
it
tends
to
be
along
the
lines
of
want
you
doing
more
of
it.
I
think
those
verges
form
vital
like
wildlife
corridors
now,
and
I
don't
think
they
look
bad.
I
think
there's
work
to
be
done
to
improve
the
planting
there.
B
Yes,
you
get
a
lot
of
natural
succession
within
that,
but
I
think
we
can
always
ask
parks
and
countryside
colleagues
see
what
they
can
plant
as
more
colorful
more
attractive,
and
I
do
think
that
those
verges
developing
have
a
real
carbon
sequestration
role
as
well
as
well
as
a
biodiversity
role.
So
I'm
a
bit
more
relaxed
by
that,
I
have
to
say:
I've
not
had
a
single
email
complete
to
me,
complaining
that
the
verges
don't
look
shabby
or
anything
like
you.
That
zone
I
mean
transfer
policy
work
in
progress.
B
Who
knows
where
we'll
be
in
a
few
years
time?
I
don't
think
anything
can
be
ruled
in
or
ruled
out.
With
regards
to
that,
I
would
say,
though,
on
my
own
patch
in
the
a660
traffic
levels
have
gone
up
post,
whatever
lockdown
we've
just
had.
I've
lost
track
of
them.
There's
been
so
many.
B
The
air
quality
levels
are
not
not
as
bad
as
they
were
for
the
same
amount
of
traffic
transport
levels
say
three
or
four
years
ago,
which
also
indicates
where
the
private
vehicle
sector's
moving
in
terms
of
car
technology,
which
is
good,
but
also
it
reflects
the
improvement
in
investment
in
public
transport
vehicles.
Oh
fun
fact
for
everybody.
B
B
On
that,
I
will
bring
in
councillor
castle
carlo
councillor
ray,
but
councillor
hart
brooke
has
not
spoken
yet,
and
I
do
feel
out
of
sheer
fairness
that
I
bring
in
conrad
right
now
so
over
to
you,
council,
albert.
A
It's
probably
a
better
timing.
It's
a
very,
very
quick
point
just
to
assure.
E
Councillor
buckley
on
the
green
jobs
being
subsidised.
If
asked
I'd,
probably
say
that
my
job's
a
green
job.
E
B
No,
interestingly,
and
in
the
sector
I
know
reasonably
well,
which
obviously
the
development
sector
there
is
always
within
organizations.
There
are
always
people
working
on
if
you
like,
turning
their
organizations
to
a
more
sustainable
agenda
and
one
of
the
things
that
comes
loud
and
clear
from
that
sector
is
that
those
kind
of
people
want
action
and
policies
on
the
local
regional
national
government.
So
they
can
win
those
arguments
within
their
organizations
which
I'm
sure
you're
one
of
the
people
who's
trying
to
do
that
in
your
own
sector.
I
think
that's
always.
B
H
H
And
then
every
email
I've
had
around
them.
I've
then
gone
back
with
an
explanation
of
why
the
policies
in
place
and
every
time
I've
explained
that
people
have
perfectly
been
perfectly
happy
with
it,
continuing
how
it
is.
So
I
think
it's
how
you
go
back,
that
I've
gone
back
with
quite
an
in-depth
email,
and
I
think
it
comes
to
that
communications
point
again,
which
is
why
I,
I
know
people
have
been
working
over
around
some
signage
around
those
to
explain
why
we're
doing
it.
H
H
But
I
think
in
many
cases
it's
there
and
and
that
I
guess
that's
a
symbol
of
what
my
point
was
going
to
be
really
because
I
think
in
some
ways
it's
very
hard
in
this
group
not
to
be
led
misdirected,
over
particular
issues
which
might
not
be
borne
out
in
the
fact
should
we
say
and
I
think
on
west
yorkshire,
I
had
the
benefit
of
being
involved
in
some
of
their
carbon
emissions
work
and
a
lot
of
that
had
the
real
usefulness
that
they
came
back
with
a
set
of
pathways.
H
That
showed
where
we
were
getting
to,
and
I
think
sometimes
that's
really
interesting,
and
I
was
thinking
that
around
around
what
polly
was
saying
there,
because
we
had
our
carbon
literacy
training,
which
I
think
gave
us
some
really
useful
points
to
not
be
misdirected
over,
especially
in
terms
of
food
and
things
like
that.
Yeah.
There
are
certain
things
that
are
better
to
bring
over
from
a
hotter
climb
than
there
are
to
buy
locally
and,
to
be
honest,
you're
best
buying
seasonally
year
round.
H
If
you
can
anyway,
but
unfortunately
in
our
our
world,
we
don't
expect
there
not
to
be
strawberries
in
the
supermarket
in
a
particular
time.
But
when
we
were
looking
at
the
pathways
with
on
west
yorkshire's
work,
it
was
clear
what
was
going
to
be
solved
at
a
particular
time
and
what
issues
we
didn't
need
to
worry
about
at
this
present
moment,
because
they
were
on
a
pathway.
H
H
Well,
then
that
the
grid
will
at
some
point
be
decarbonized,
so
we're
happy
with
moving
things
to
electricity,
knowing
that
that
will
be
green
electricity
by
the
point
that
we
get
there,
but
there
are
times
where
that
that
answer
hasn't
come
yet
and
there
they
think.
We
therefore
need
to
be
working
on.
Hopefully,
hopefully
that
helps.
I
think,
really
that's
from
my
aim
that
we've
only
got
as
much
time
as
we've
got,
and
it's
probably
not
enough
time
to
do
what
we
need
to
do.
B
No,
I
think,
I
think,
there's
a
good
point
is
basically
policies
pathways
timelines
and
gap
analysis.
I
think
that's
really
useful
here.
I
think
for
small
things.
We've
got
from
this
meeting
is
an
awful
lot
of
ideas
for
future
work,
and
I
think
that's
really.
I
wasn't
expecting
that
today,
that's
fantastic,
so
I
want
to
bring
in
council,
gathered
who's,
not
spoken
yet
then
councillor
ray
and
then
I'll
finish
up.
D
Okay,
very
briefly,
just
a
few
comments
about
having
listened
to
this
very
interesting
discussion,
I
think
we
have
to
start
somewhere
and
I'm
thinking
of
the
pete
compost
thing
whether
that
would
be
possible,
but
we
have
to
start
somewhere
otherwise
we'll
say
well,
what's
the
point
of
doing
anything,
because
china
is
doing
exquisite
or
whatever,
and
you
know,
we've
got
principles
we
have
to
start
and
then
we
can
think
about
how
we
can
spread
the
word.
We
won't
get
it
all
right.
D
The
first
time
verges,
for
example,
there
will
be
blips,
the
hand,
sanitizer
issue,
sustainability
versus
cost
and
this
sort
of
debate
that
goes
on
constantly,
and
we
really
need
to
be
aware
of
it
that
the
old
weed
killer
debate
as
well
using
the
phosphates.
D
But
we
want
to
be
seen
to
be
heading
in
the
right
direction.
D
And
I
don't
think
we
do
claim
that
we've
reached
every
citizen
of
leeds
and
they're
all
enrolled
in
this,
but
the
awareness,
the
understanding,
is,
going
up
in
all
areas,
and
that
is
a
positive
thing
and
I
should
think
we
should
emphasize
we're
always
open
to
suggestions
and
constructive
comment
about
what
we
are
doing
and
able
to
modify
or
change
our
practice
accordingly.
Thank
you.
B
G
Yeah
just
really
quick
comment
and
it's
the
wonderful
distinction
between
investment
and
subsidy.
It's
always
subsidies,
always
bad,
because
it's
the
government
investment's
always
good,
because
it's
the
private
sector,
I'd
like
to
point
to
two
really
quick
things:
the
device
that
we're
all
talking
on
the
internet
was
originally
subsidized,
paid
for
completely
by
the
us
government
and
involved
transformative
technology.
This
planet
is
seen
in
communications,
the
invention
of
the
telephone
radar
systems
almost
entirely
subsidized
by
the
british
government
to
fight
the
soviet
war,
change
the
world
and
create
the
aviation
industries.
We
know
it
today.
G
Subsidy
is
not
always
a
bad
thing.
It's
a
way
of
governments,
choosing
technologies
or
solutions
that
would
take
too
long
to
come
to
commercial
market
by
themselves
by
a
profit
motive
to
actually
create
it.
We
are
in
a
situation
now
where
governments
around
the
world,
including
this
government,
including
councils,
including
civil
society,
are
going
to
have
to
publicly
invest
aka,
subsidize
technologies
and
solutions
to
get
them
to
market.
G
B
B
B
22Nd
of
december,
in
terms
of
amendments,
the
final
report,
I'll
I'll,
amend
the
intro
to
reflect
a
better
explanation
of
of
degree
warming
paths.
I
mean
I
really
did
try
to
keep
it
a
really
short
intro,
but
I
think
it
warrants
a
it
wants
a
bit
more
explanation
than
that.
I
think
in
particular
reference
I
think,
there's
been
a
there's
been
a
few
changes
suggested.
I
think
particularly
picking
out
cancer.
Anderson's
contributions
on
the
working
groups
and
past
35
have
been
explained.
B
I
And
as
we've
been
going
through,
I've
been
annotating.
The
report
I'll
have
a
look
back
through
and
yeah
yeah
there
weren't
lots
and
lots
of
comments
on
the
actual
report.
There
was
a
west
yorkshire
pension
fund
that
I
mentioned
as
well
yes
and
yeah.
So,
okay,
through
we'll,
try
and
get
another
draft
down
in
the
next
couple
of
days.
C
Well,
just
in
in
terms
of
procedure
yeah,
what
are
you
going
to
send
out
some
kind
of
draft
amended
report
yeah?
So
right,
okay!
Well,
if
that's
the
case,
we'll
wait
until
we
see
that.
B
Sure
I
think
that's
the
best
course
of
action.
Colleagues,
we
can
then
agree
electronically,
so
to
speak,
because,
obviously
I
don't
think
we
can
pull
together
a
further
a
further
meeting,
despite
even
online
between
now
and
the
23rd,
so
we'll
amend
it
and
we'll
circulate
it.
I
think
that's
the
best
course
of
action.
C
Because
I
think
we
need
to
get
this
right,
we
obviously
we
will
look
at
that
and
we
will
scrutinize
it
and
we
will
make
our
comments,
but
I
don't
think
you
can
take
anything.
That's
read
that
we'll
say
well.
We
agree
with
that.
Necessarily
we're
reserving
our
position.
B
Okay,
that's
absolutely
your
right
to
do
so,
but
based
on
this,
based
on
the
discussion
we've
had
today
and
with
the
exception
of
some
issues
around
the
the
introduction
which
I
will
clarify
as
I've
said
really
don't
see.
Any
reason
why
a
member
of
this
committee
couldn't
support
that
draft
report
for
council,
but
that'll
be
for
members
to
make
an
individual
decision.
B
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
work
today
and
through
the
year
and
first
time,
I've
been
able
to
do
this
probably
show
a
very
merry
christmas
and
a
happy
new
year
feels
weird
doing
saying
it,
but
it
is
leaping
upon
us
really
fast
tonight.
Always
catches
me
out
every
year
should
know
better
really
by
now
46
years,
young
and
all
that
thanks
folks
stay.