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A
Good
afternoon
everybody
and
welcome
to
the
June
meeting
of
Leeds
Council
executive
board
I'll
just
start
by
welcoming
two
new
members
of
executive
board,
counselor
Jess,
Lennox
and
councilor
Alan
lamb,
welcome
to
the
meeting
and
I'll
move
on
to
the
formal
items
on
the
top
of
the
agenda.
First
of
all,
let's
remind
everybody
in
the
room
that
this
meeting
is
webcast,
live
and
welcome.
Everybody
watching
at
home
and
I
will
turn
to
the
formal
items.
Are
there
any
appeals
against
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents?
A
Please,
thanks
chair,
there's
been
no
appeals
received
for
today's
meeting.
No
thank
you.
Are
there
any
exempt
information?
Please
there's
no
information
on
the
agenda
chair,
that's
designated
as
exemptor
confidential.
No
thank
you.
Are
there
any
late
items
nor
let
it
opens
a
business
to
consider
the
chair.
No
thank
you
and
I'll
turn
to
the
board.
Are
there
any
Declarations
of
Interest
I?
Don't
see
any?
A
Does
everybody
here
accept
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
of
the
19th
of
April?
That's
great!
Thank
you
and
I
will
move
on
to
the
first
substantive
item,
which
is
a
lead
safeguarding
children's
partnership,
annual
report
and
I
welcome
our
partners
here:
Chief
superintendent,
Steve,
Dodds,
Jill
Martin
from
the
NHS
and
the
independent
chair
of
the
partnership,
jaswinder
Sanger
and
you
welcome
to
this
meeting
I'll
ask
councilor
Fiona
Vena
to
introduce
this
item.
Please
yeah.
B
Thank
you
chair.
This
is
the
annual
report
of
the
lead
safeguarding
children's
partnership,
which
is
a
partnership
which
last
year
ofsted
described
as
a
strong
partnership
and
which
Jacinda
sangira
reiterated
in
her
introduction
to
the
report.
As
our
independent
chair,
the
report
outlines
work
over
the
past
two
years
and
learning
from
recent
reviews.
B
It
demonstrates
the
learning
and
reflective
culture
of
the
partnership,
as
does
the
work
with
the
national
panel,
which
has
been
undertaken
and
which
is
referred
to
in
the
report
identified
as
a
key
risk
factor
in
terms
of
contextual,
safeguarding
and
that
will
be
discussed
in
more
depth
in
the
next
paper
that
I'm,
bringing
and
the
strengths
of
our
early
help
offer
is
a
protective
Factor.
The
report
also
really
clearly
outlines
the
very
challenging
context
that
this
work
is
done
in
and
highlights
the
complexity
of
the
work.
B
So
I
just
wanted
to
conclude
my
brief
comments,
Chair
by
referencing,
the
fact
that
just
Linda
is
coming
to
the
end
of
her
term
of
office
as
our
independent
chair
and
I'd
like
to
thank
Jess
Linda
for
your
commitment
to
the
children
and
young
people
of
Leeds,
and
also
to
the
challenge
that
you've
brought
to
the
partnership,
which
has
meant
that
we
are
stronger
as
a
partnership
and
in
and
in
some
of
our
processes
and
I'd
like
to
wish
you
luck
in
your
next
venture.
So
thank
you
and
thank
you.
Chair.
A
Thank
you,
Council
venner,
Chief,
superintendent
dogs.
Would
you
like
to
come
in
please.
C
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
so
on
behalf
of
the
lscp
exec
I
just
wanted
to
offer
a
few
comments
to
to
open
and
present
the
the
annual
report
for
you.
C
So
we
are
a
tripartite
partnership
between
West,
Yorkshire
police
and
the
NHS,
and
the
local
Authority,
and
the
the
report
is,
is
the
report
of
the
lscp
exec,
which
is
myself
Joe
Harding
from
the
NHS
and
Julie,
along
with
sat
to
my
left,
and
we
are
supported,
as
has
already
been
mentioned,
by
Council
venner
by
our
independent
scrutiner
jaswinder
at
sangira
and
and
I
think
it
would
be
remiss
of
me
not
to
just
to
just
focus
on
Jazz
vinda
for
a
second,
because
the
lscp
are
extremely
grateful
and
indebted
for
the
Fantastic
work,
support
and
also
challenge
that
jazz
vinder
has
provided
to
us
over
her
time
in
in
post,
not
only
across
the
the
the
partnership
shipped
and
the
Fantastic
work.
C
She
does
there,
but
also
as
well
I
think,
most
importantly,
for
the
work
and
the
positioning
that
she's
allowed
us
to
take
around
and
supporting
children
and
young
people
across
certain
leads,
as
councilman
alluded
to
in
her
update.
Jazz
window
gave
a
an
introduction
at
the
start
of
this
report,
talks
about
the
evidence
of
the
the
strong
safeguarding
system
across
Leeds
and
references
which
I
think
is
really
really
important.
C
The
openness
and
transparency
both
of
this
Rapport,
but
also
well
in
in
the
partnership
that
that
we
we
now
are
having
leads
across
the
exec,
and
it
is
our
report,
it's
written
by
the
the
business
support
unit
and
then
reviewed
and
agreed
with
us
all
in
conduction
or
in
conjunction
with
the
Jazz
vendor,
support
and
scrutiny,
and
we
should
recognize,
as
already
has
been
been
referenced,
but
the
the
two
recent
ofsted
get
reports
and
findings,
particularly
the
recent
one
in
2022
that
found
the
partnership
and
child
safeguarding
to
be
outstanding.
C
But
I
would
also
refer,
colleagues
to
the
HMI
cfrs
review
of
policing,
which
is
mentioned
in
the
report
as
well,
and
the
the
findings
of
a
a
strong,
supportive
relationship
there
as
well-
and
it
is
really
really
important
within
this
report
and
that's
why
it
starts
as
such
to
reference
the
environment
of
safeguarding
that
we
work
in
with
across
the
the
district.
And,
as
you
are
aware,
Leeds
is
the
second
largest
city
council
in
England.
C
There
has
been
an
8.1
increase
in
population
over
the
last
10
years,
which
places
a
second
for
total
population
as
a
city
Authority
across
the
the
country
and
19
of
the
population,
which
is
an
in
excess
of
150
000
people
are
identified
as
living
in
areas
that
are
ranked
amongst
the
most
deprived
10
areas
nationally
and
that's
linked
to
to
findings
and
research.
C
That
says
that
children
from
the
poorest
neighborhoods
in
England
are
almost
four
times
more
likely
to
be
referred
to
social
care
services,
so
I
think
the
environment
is
really
really
important
and
I
know.
You've
got
a
an
item
after
this.
Looking
at
that,
specifically,
what's
also
really
chilling,
and
focusing
for
me
is
52
of
child
deaths
nationally
occur
in
those
10
poorest
areas,
and
so
it
really
just
focuses
in
in
terms
of
the
responsibility
that
we
all
hold,
but
certainly
the
responsibility
that
I
know
I
share
with
my
exec
board
members
and
colleagues.
C
So
the
key
learning
that's
come
out
of
the
report.
Poverty
is
there.
I
I
won't
go
over
that
any
further
I've
made
the
comments
that
bring
povice
in
but
I
think
that
is
a
key
consideration
with
the
repair
that
we
or
the
report
that
we've
provided
and
children
in
care
and
and
we
we
we
understand
and
we
reflect
that
Cairo
levers
experience,
poor
outcomes
than
their
their
peers
in
in
other
parts
of
society.
C
C
It's
interesting
that
we
put
that
in
as
key
learning,
particularly
when
you
look
at
this
from
a
national
perspective
and
part
of
the
ongoing
National
con
con
consultation
following
the
independent
review
of
children's
social
care
and
safeguarding
practice
panel
reports
following
the
death
of
star
Hobson
and
Arthur
labino
Hughes
is
calling
for
discussion
at
a
national
level,
around
education
being
more
involved
in
child
safeguarding
at
a
local
level.
C
So
we
continue
to
work
through
that
and
child
exploitation
is
key
and,
and
whilst
a
lot
of
that
is
is
seen
within
the
Family
environment,
we've
seen
some
really
good
partnership
work
around
sharing
of
information
and
particularly
the
use
of
the
police
intelligence
portal,
which
we
continue
to
support
and
then
I
think
the
the
voice
of
the
child
is
something
that
jazz
vindra
has
asked
scrutineer.
C
It
always
brings
us
back
to
to
question
and
challenge
ourselves
around
our
we're
hearing
the
voice
of
the
child,
but
it
is
absolutely
important
in
this
report
and
in
terms
of
some
of
the
bits
that
I
would
pick
out
from
the
report
just
to
highlight
and
I
won't
go
through
the
local
partnership
Arrangements
that
are
there.
But
we
have
a
strong
structure
and
system
in
place
there
with
groups
to
support
us
as
an
exec
and
looking
at
Child
Protection
plans
with
611
children
on
Child
Protection
plans
across
the
district.
C
Now,
as
of
the
20
March
2023,
that
relates
to
3
36.8,
sorry
per
10
000
of
the
population
across
the
city,
which
is
lower
than
the
national
average,
which
is
is
positive,
but
probably
still
too
many.
We
would
all
agree
and
and
then,
if
we
look
at
the
age
categories
of
those
Child
Protection
plans,
the
majority
of
those
are
in
the
age
bracket
of
five
to
nine
and
ten
to
Fifteen,
with
around
two-thirds
of
of
those
sitting
sitting
in
that
area
and
when
I.
C
Professional
curiosity
is
a
constant
theme
across
those
rapid
reviews
and
a
constant
theme
across
the
partnership
and
I
think
there
are
two
two
elements
to
that.
One
is
around
challenging
professionals,
but
giving
them
support
and
the
tools
to
be
more
Curious
and
but
also
as
well
understanding
that
we
have
the
right
escalation
processes
in
place
to
allow
managers
to
escalate
and
to
have
conversations
at
a
senior
level
across
the
partnership
to
make
sure
that
and
professionals
concerns
are
being
fed
in
and
understanded
and
acted
upon.
C
We
regularly
have
discussions
across
the
partnership
around
good
practice,
barriers
and
support
required
to
to
Really,
embed,
professional
curiosity
and
and
work
across
the
partnership,
and
particularly
with
our
safer,
stronger
communities.
Colleagues
and
the
leads
safeguarding
adult
board
to
ensure
that
there's
a
consistent
approach
around
that
and
and
that
is
con-
contributed
through
a
a
master
class
series
that
we've
been
part
of
in
in
March
of
this
year.
C
The
risk
assessment
process
is
something
that
is
alluded
to
in
the
in
the
report
and
it
and
it
links
into
the
different
risk
assessment
models
around
the
partnership
and
and
some
of
the
confusions
that
maybe
sometimes
I've
seen
through
that
we're
working
to
develop
a
a
workshop
across
multi-agencies
to
look
at
better
oversight
and
management
of
rsos.
C
But
to
give
you
some
reassurance
around
that,
certainly
from
a
policing
point
of
view,
my
public
protection
officers
currently
supervised
65
registered
sex
offenders,
each
of
the
1075
visits
that
are
expected
to
be
carried
out
by
the
police
in
our
statistry
duties.
There
are
16
of
those
that
are
outstanding
at
this
moment,
which
is
1.4
percent
of
those
and
our
as
as
in
line
with
national
guidance.
C
We
are
double
crewing
for
most
of
those
visits
and
we're
also
looking
at
a
consistent
approach,
an
application
of
a
us
safeguarding
approach
and,
through
our
reviews,
the
impact
of
that
consistent
application.
Of
course,
safeguarding
processes
is
evident
and
we
believe
improving
outcome
for
children.
However,
it
has
been
recognized
that
it's
not
always
consistent
and
it's
something
that
we
are
continually
pushing
and
promoting
across
the
partnership,
so
that
we
give
a
consistent
level
of
support
to
to
children
and
young
people
at
all
times.
C
So,
in
summary,
the
lscp
priorities,
as
of
the
back
of
the
report,
are
still
relevant
and
appropriate
for
me.
So
we
talk
about
domestic
abuse
and
the
impact
of
children,
and
we
know
what
the
impact
of
being
a
witness
or
involved
in
domestic
abuse,
as
at
a
young
age,
has
on
people
going
into
adulthood
and
becoming
involved,
as
in
in
such
matters
themselves
as
well.
So
that
is
is
extremely
important
and
vulnerable.
C
Learners
is
something
that
we
focus
in
on,
and
work
very
very
closely
to
to
understand
the
reasons
behind
that
and
that
people
are
not
being
left
vulnerable
because
of
being
yeah
being
either
educated
at
home
or
other
methods,
and
then
exploitation
I
think
is
a
real
key
for
me
because
exploitation.
C
Yes,
it
involves
sexual
exploitation
of
children,
but
it's
also
starting
to
develop
and
and
become
more
challenging
around
links
to
missing
people,
particularly
missing
young
people
in
the
care
system
and
the
influence
of
urban
street
gangs
and
the
links
to
youth
violence
across
the
city
and
I
would
challenge
us
all
and
including
yourselves
as
as
elected
representatives
to
to
question
around
how
the
city
is
adapting
to
that
growing
threat
of
exploitation,
both
sexually
criminally
and
in
other
ways
and
the
report.
The
report
highlights
a
strong,
cohesive
partnership.
C
It
covers
a
challenging
period
in
terms
of
the
rapid
reviews
that
we've
undertaken,
the
austerity
that
we've
all
had
to
go
through
and
the
disagreements
and
challenges
that
we've
had
around
some
of
that.
But
I
think
we
as
an
exec
would
say
that
we've
come
out
of
that
stronger,
more
cohesive
and
and
a
a
really
strong
position
at
the
moment
and
I.
Think
all
of
that
against
the
pressures
and
demands
that
are
on
all
three
of
the
the
core
agencies
that
are
involved
in
that
policing,
the
local
Authority
and
the
NHS.
C
We
maintain
our
Collegiate
approach,
coach
and
and
never
look
at
reduction
in
resources
as
a
means
of
taking
away
the
the
focus,
the
professionalism
and
the
the
the
degree
to
which
we
want
to
support
and
help
young
people
across
the
city.
And
it's
a
strong
partnership.
It's
developed
significantly
over
the
last
20
12
months
and
I
think
the
important
thing
and
I
think
where
the
real
strength
in
our
partnership
comes
from.
C
Is
we
identify
learning
in
everything
that
we
do
and
we
strongly
focus
on
that
learning
and
develop
and
feed
that
back
in
and
that
supportive
nature
of
that
partnership?
Although
this
challenge
there
we
work
across
that
partnership,
is
why
I
think
the
heart
of
what
we
do
is
is
really
really
strong
and
we
never
sit
on
our
Laurels.
We
never
take
that
as
a
as
saying
that
we
are
perfect
in
terms
of
every
aspect
of
business.
We
do
we're
always
looking
for
improvements
and
Challenge
and
learning
and
but
I
present.
A
Thank
you,
Chief
superintendent,
other
any
other
members
of
the
board
or
anybody
who
wants
to
come
in
on
this
report.
Please
cancel
the
alarm.
Please
yeah.
D
So,
firstly,
if
I
can
add
my
thanks
to
all
of
the
partners
for
the
work
that
they
do
and
particularly
to
Jazz
vinder,
who
I
think
has
really
exemplified
what
we
need
in
an
independent
chair
and
has
highlighted
the
value
of
having
an
independent,
chair
and
I
know,
there's
a
strong
commitment
to
retain
that
position
and
and
I
hope
we
stick
to
that
and
and
we'll
get
someone
who
equally
has
absolutely
interest
of
children
and
young
people
at
heart
and
is
not
afraid
to
make
appropriate,
Challenge
and
I
think
that's
really
strengthened
the
partnership
and
has
brought
strength
to
to
the
council
and
young
people
are
safe
as
a
result
of
that
challenge
so
and
so
I
really
thank
Chaz
vinder.
D
For
that
it
won't
surprise.
You
I've
got
quite
a
strong
interest
in
in
this
having
been
scrutiny
chair
for
for
the
last
five
years,
so
I've
got
a
number
of
questions
first,
if
I
may
so,
I'll
go
one
at
a
time
if
that's
okay
rather
than
a
scattergun,
so
the
first
is
around
the
learning
that
was
referred
to.
There's
a
lot
of
in
the
report
about
how
we're
learning,
which
is
good,
What
I'm
interested
to
hear,
is
actually
how
is
that
learning
being
implemented
in
practice.
E
Yes
sure
thank
you,
I
think
it's
really
important
to
say
that
across
the
individual
organizations
you
know
there
is
a
responsibility
for
Performance,
Management
and
quality
assurance
and
to
have
those
Frameworks
in
place,
and
we
have
what's
called
a
section
11
process
which
is
almost
like
an
audit
tool
which
is
used
right
across
the
partnership
so
right
across
schools
and
other
organizations.
E
That
support
that,
in
addition,
I
think
we
are
very,
very
clear
as
an
executive
board,
our
responsibility,
you
know
no
responsibility-
is
to
ensure
that
there
are
effective,
safeguarding
Arrangements
in
place
across
the
city
for
children
and
young
people,
and
key
to
that
again
is
quality
assurance,
Performance
Management
mechanisms
and
for
every
review
that
we
have.
So
we
have
the
review
Advisory
Group,
that
is
made
up
of
colleagues
senior
colleagues
from
Health,
from
police
and
from
children's
social
care,
and
for
every
review
that
we
have
had
whether
that
has
been
a
review.
E
That's
resulted
from
a
notification
or
indeed
whether
that's
been
a
review
that
we
have
decided
to
take
locally.
There
is
an
action
plan,
it's
a
a
cross-party
action
plan,
so
there
could
be
actions
for
a
number
of
organizations,
and
that
is
reviewed
regularly,
both
by
the
review
Advisory
Group
by
the
exec,
but
also
it's
really
important
by
the
children,
young
people's
partnership.
E
So
underneath
the
lscp
exec,
we
have
a
real
broad
children
and
young
people's
partnership,
and
we
have
ensured
that
we've
taken
the
learning
and
from
a
multitude
of
reviews
into
that
partnership,
but
also
that
we've
taken
the
progress
in
terms
of
the
actions
falling
out
of
the
learning
to
that
partnership.
As
Steve
has
said,
you
know
it's,
it's
never
an
area
that
we
can
be
complacent
in
and
I
would
also
like
to
thank
Jazz
vinder
for
bringing
her
challenge
into
this
sphere.
E
It's
an
area
that
Jan
Linda
has
again
really
championed
and
challenged
us
as
an
exec
and
us
as
a
partnership,
is
part
of
her
forward
in
the
annual
report.
So
it's
an
area
that
we
continue
to
look
at
again.
It
is
an
area
which
was
highlighted
and
commented
on
in
our
ilac
last
year
as
a
strength,
but
we
will
not
sit
on
our
Laurels
and
we
can't
afford
to
cancel
it
lamb.
So
again,
it's
a
real.
You
know
it's
a
constant
area
for
us.
E
E
You
know
range
of
thematic
issues
which
are
which
we
feel
require
a
specific
Focus
From
The
partnership.
We
have
a
weekly
meeting
at
the
front
door,
which
again
is
multi-agency
so
that
looks
at
all
of
the
work.
That's
come
through
the
children's
social
care
front
door
in
the
previous
week.
Again,
as
I've
said,
that
group
is
a
multi-agency
group
and
they
regularly
undertake
multi-agency
audits.
C
Yes,
thank
you
and,
and
a
really
important
question
I
mean
I'd
refer
you
to
to
Pages,
11
and
12
in
the
report
which
talks
about
our
Learning
and
Development
subgroup
and
gives
some
idea
of
some
of
the
core
training
and
the
maintenance
of
that
training
and
development
that
we've
maintained
even
over
the
challenge
of
of
the
covert
period
but
but
equally
as
well.
C
We
are
always
looking
at
ways
to
adapt
and
and
strengthen
our
our
partnership
response
in
relation
to
the
things
that
we
uncover
and
and
work
through
in
the
the
lessons
that
we
learn.
A
real
prime
example
of
that
and
I
refer
back
to
the
comments
I
made
around
exploitation
when
I
was
presenting.
This
report
is,
as
as
the
environment,
around
exploitation
changes.
C
But
we've
done
that
now
from
a
youth
violence,
point
of
view
and
are
bringing
in
on
a
daily
basis
a
a
review
of
all
violent
incidents
over
a
24-hour
period
and
rather
than
as
the
focus
may
have
been
in
previous
years,
around
the
perpetrators
or
looking
it
from
a
perpetrator.
Point
of
view.
Looking
at
the
those
involved
so
other
siblings
in
the
house.
F
Thank
you
I'll
answer
that
question,
but
then
would
it
be
helpful
if
I
also
gave
you
an
appraisi
of
myself
from
this
report
as
your
Independence
scrutineer,
please.
A
F
A
F
You,
okay,
so
absolutely
we
do
have
a
Learning
and
Development
subgroup.
Their
partnership
has
seven
subgroups
and
they're
referenced
in
the
report,
one
of
which
is
the
learning
development
subgroup,
which
has
met
six
times
since
April
to
2000
2021.
F
I
do
believe
the
partnership
has
a
strong
system
of
gathering
learning.
Absolutely
you
know
when
there
is
a
service
incident,
when
there
is
learning
that
is
happening
in
terms
of
the
review.
However,
there
is
still
a
need
to
ensure
the
dissemination
of
that
learning
and
that
it
is
clearly
monitored
for
impact
in
terms
of
evidence
of
change.
Now
what
has
changed
as
a
result
of
that
learning
and
I
think
there
is
still
more
work
to
do
around
that
and
the
executive,
except
that
you
know,
because
that
conversation
needs
to
happen.
F
So
if
I
may,
thank
you
all
for
your
comments
in
relation
to
myself.
I'm
not
gone
yet,
but
I
really
appreciate
it
and
I,
and
I
and
I
appreciate
your
approaches
as
well
in
being
willing
to
listen.
You
know
that
is
an
indicator
of
a
strong
partnership.
F
The
fact
that
you
can
have
those
open,
challenging
transparent
conversations,
so
my
role
in
relation
to
being
your
scrutiner
is
to
provide
a
an
independent
opinion
of
the
report
to
be
clear
in
terms
of
where
I
believe
there
are
areas
for
improvements
and
also
what
has
really
worked
well.
F
F
Schools
have
been
a
huge
resource
for
the
partnership,
I've
seen
that
when
I
led
the
domestic
abuse
review,
we
do
have
an
education
reference
group
which
hasn't
met
for
a
year,
and
we
need
to
ensure
that
yourselves,
as
all
the
people
are
on
this
table
and
the
partnership
support
the
partnership
ship
to
try
and
get
education
involved
in
that
group.
There's
been
a
challenge
in
terms
of
getting
people
from
education
around
that
table.
F
So
you
know
we
do
need
to
ensure
that
that
is
maintained,
and
the
partnership
may
want
to
think
about
the
executive
board
and
the
children,
your
people's
partnership,
in
terms
of
representation
from
education,
because,
ordinarily,
what
we
would
do
is
we
would
have
the
subgroups
who
feed
into
the
children
young
people's
partnership
to
provide
an
update.
So
I
would
say
that,
in
terms
of
the
subgroups,
the
seven
subgroups
there
is
some
work
to
be
done
around
the
meeting
of
those
subgroups
and
the
reporting
into
the
executive
and
into
the
broader
partnership.
F
So
that
is
actually
happening
right
now
and
I'm
in
the
process
of
meeting
all
the
subgroup
chairs
to
have
a
conversation
in
terms
of
moving
forward.
Just
to
reiterate
what
Stephen
has
said
here
in
terms
of
care
leavers
again
we're
finding
that
you
know
care
leavers
is
a
conversation
where
the
Performance
Management
subgroup
has
a
key
role
to
ensure
that
opportunities
for
shared
learning
Improvement
around
that
is
happening.
F
Let
me
just
go
down
so
it
with
restart
regards
to
the
actual
process
of
learning.
Now
I
came
to
scrutiny
in
September
2021
to
say
that
I
was
not
assured
about
the
notification
systems
and
processes.
Things
have
improved
in
that
space.
Without
a
doubt,
you
know,
partners
are
now
contributing.
Partners
are
having
equal
and
fair
conversations
in
that
space.
F
We
have
to
also
be
mindful
of
the
fact
that
a
city
the
size
of
Leeds
is
going
to
have
more
notifications.
You
know,
we've
moved
on
from
having
very
few
to
see
more
and
that's
important,
because
you
know
we've
got
to
learn
from
serious
incidences
and
I
would
say
that
there
is
a
need
to
ensure
that
we
keep
an
eye
on
that
to
ensure
that
partners
are
feel
able
to
escalate
into
the
system,
and
they
are
confident
to
do
that.
F
We
had
a
recent
buy
online
meeting
in
March
of
our
partners
third
sector
in
education,
we're
still
saying
that
they
want
to
understand
more
how
to
escalate
and
how
to
do
that,
and
we
are
developing
that
conversation
as
well
so
hearing
from
the
third
sector
as
a
partner
is
very
significant.
I
also
read
all
the
national
panel
feedback
from
all
the
notifications
that
have
taken
place
in
this
city,
of
which
I
understand
are
six
in
the
last
year.
F
I
think
yeah,
of
course,
Phil's
nodding
at
me
and
in
terms
of
the
panel
feedback.
What
national
panel
will
do
is
they
will?
They
will
give
you
feedback
and
say,
give
you
advice
and
guidance
and
help
you
to
have
reflective
practice.
Basically,
the
key
areas
that
I've
noted
that
National
panel
have
been
consistent
on
is
the
need
to
ensure
that
we
consider
as
a
partnership
the
assessment
of
children
from
minority
groups,
that
ethnicity
is
a
vulnerable
factor
and
that
we
need
to
consider
that
as
part
of
assessment
as
a
risk
factor.
F
So
that
is
something
in
terms
of
is
ethnicity
missing
from
analysis.
You
know
how
are
we
hearing
the
experience
of
minority
groups
and
also
the
the
missed
opportunities
and
the
need
to
be
absolutely
aware
of
children
who
are
educated
at
home?
That
is
a
vulnerable
Factor.
That's
how
we
have
that
conversation
across
the
partnership.
You
know,
should
we
be
thinking
of
that
as
a
vulnerable
factor
that
they
absolutely
there
is.
F
There
is
a
need
to
do
more
work
in
that
space,
I
suppose,
in
terms
of
your
question
on
learning,
you
know,
from
my
perspective,
we
do
have
a
learned
development
subgroup.
We
do
need
to
be
sure
that
when
an
incident
is
happening,
that
is
series
that
we're
disseminating
that
learning
at
that
point
and
the
partnership
is
assured
that
that
learning
has
been
followed
up
and
that
we
are
getting
some
feedback,
maybe
to
the
business
support
unit
that
things
are
changing
on
the
ground
as
a
result
of
that.
F
So
there's
that
that
immediate
stuff
that
goes
on
in
terms
of
action
plans
which
Julie
referred
to,
yes,
we
do
have
an
action
plan.
It
goes
back
to
ensuring
and
maybe
again
the
the
business
unit
have
a
role
for
this.
So
I
keep
looking
at
you
Phil
to
collate
the
data
in
relation
to
the
changes
that
have
happened
and
where
there
haven't
been
changes
to
challenge
that
and
to
follow
that
up.
F
That's
that's
what
I
would
say:
I'm
absolutely
sure
about
the
process
of
reviews,
but
the
learning
bit
I
think
needs
to
be
strengthening,
strengthened.
Sorry
should
I,
say
and
I
think
that's
it
really.
From
my
perspective,
you
know
I'm
really
heartened
at
the
way
the
executive
board
work
and
the
children
Young's.
People's
partnership
is
one
that
is
joined
with
the
children,
families
trust
board,
we're
having
a
conversation
at
the
moment
to
ensure
that
safeguarding
doesn't
get
diluted
in
that
conversation.
F
So
we're
thinking
about
how
can
we
have
an
equal
agenda
in
that
space
and
how
you
know
you
don't
want
it
to
be
a
talking
shop.
You
want
it
to
be
really
engaging
with
the
partners,
so
that
conversation
is
happening
and
I
I.
Thank
you
all
for
my
time
here
in
Leeds
I'm
not
going
anywhere
yet,
but
it
has
been
really
worthwhile
and
I
I.
Really
thank
you
for
inviting
me
into
this
role
and
being
open
to
being
challenged.
A
Thank
you,
Jazz
vinder
and,
of
course,
I
recognize
what
you
said
about
still
being
here
for
a
while,
but
councilam
did
ask
about
what
happens
next.
I,
don't
know
if
Julia
Council
of
anyone
wants
to
pick
that
point
up.
Please
I
want
to
lose
that
one.
B
B
I
wanted
to
I
wanted
to
add
to
what
Justin
said
about
the
third
sector
actually,
particularly
because
Jasmine
and
I
were
both
charity
Chief
Executives
before
being
an
hour
in
our
current
roles.
B
So
that's
where
my
roots
are
it's
in
the
third
sector,
as
well
as
as
just
vendors,
I
I,
think
we
recognize
within
the
the
safeguarding
partnership
that
a
huge,
a
huge
amount
of
safeguarding
work
happens
in
the
third
sector,
probably
more
than
anywhere
else
actually,
not
least
because
the
third
sector
not
having
stat
to
power,
means
that
sometimes
people
feel
more
able
to
approach.
B
You
know
community-based
Grassroots,
third,
sexual
organizations
when
they're
in
extreme
difficulties
and
I
would
say
that's
particularly
the
case
for
people
from
some
minority
groups
and
I'm,
saying
that
having
set
up
services
in
my
last
role,
you
know
in
Bain
communities
in
their
LGBT
community
and
for
deaf
people.
B
Sometimes
it's
it's
easier
for
small
third
sector
organizations
to
reach
into
communities
that
might
struggle
to
engage
with
the
counselor,
with
the
NHS
or
with
the
police.
So
our
partnership
with
third
sector
is
really
really
important.
My
successor
at
least
Survival
Of
Crisis
service
chairs.
Third
sector
subgroup
of
of
the
partnership,
so
recognizing
that
such
a
huge
amount
of
work
happens
in
the
third
sector
around
safeguarding.
B
That's
why
the
escalation
process
that
Justin
talked
about
is
so
important
and
we've
we've
discussed
it
more
than
once
in
the
in
the
biannual
meetings
and
in
the
children's
partnership,
because
it's
really
important
that
people
on
the
front
line
doing
work
around
safeguarding
know
how
to
escalate
concerns.
So
I
just
wanted
to
reassure
exec
board
that
the
work
of
those
section
is
really
recognized
and
they're
an
essential
part
of
the
of
the
partnership
and
have
a
a
really
key
key
role
in
in
those
meetings.
Thank
you.
E
Yeah,
so
just
to
absolutely
confirm
that
we
are
committed
as
a
partnership
as
an
exec
board
to
maintaining
the
role
of
independent
scrutineer
and
actually
that
process
to
to
recruit
our
new
scripture
is
underway
and
I.
Think
it's
really
important
to
say
as
well
that
the
exec
board
have
engaged
and
really
well
really
effectively
with
the
three
National
safeguarding
facilitators.
So
there
is
a
national
safeguarding
facilitator
for
health,
for
police
and
for
children's
social
care.
E
They
do
a
lot
of
work
with
the
national
safeguarding
panel
and
clearly
you
know
the
the
the
advantage
that
they
have
is
they're
working
with
local
authorities
right
across
the
country.
So
in
terms
of
best
practice,
in
terms
of
you
know,
the
the
role
of
an
independent
scrutineer
and
they've
been
absolutely
invaluable
in
sharing
their
views
with
us,
which
has
helped
us
develop
our
own
views
for
that
role.
E
Equally,
Jazz
vinder's
experience
you
know
of
being
in
that
role,
and
you
know
the
views
that
jazz
vinder
have
shared
with
the
exec
and
have
also
influenced
and
continue
to
influence
that
process
and
I
suppose.
Just
following
on
from
the
the
comments
there
about
the
third
sector
in
the
partnership,
we
are
absolutely
committed,
as
we
were
previously
to
ensure
that
the
partnership
has
a
role
in
the
recruitment
process
as
well
as
the
exec
board.
You
know,
because
we
work
on
behalf
of
the
city-wide
partnership.
F
Just
wanted
to
come
in
just
to
say
that
working
together
is
going
to
be
Rewritten
this
year
and
working
together
2018
the
document
that
we
all
work
to
and
I
was
told
by
national
panel
yesterday
that
it's
imminent,
it
should
be
in
a
few
weeks,
and
one
of
the
conversations
that
we
have
influenced
as
part
of
working
together
is
that
whole
Space
around
serious
harm.
F
The
definition,
when
is
something
more
serious,
as
opposed
to
significant
harm
that
is
going
to
be
in
consideration,
but
also
the
whole
Space
of
notifications
and
the
fact
that
there,
you
know
the
conversation
around
the
three
Partners
should
be
an
equal
conversation
that
informs
whether
to
notify
or
not.
So
this
is
a
real
opportunity
to
consult
and
that
will
be
coming
out
in
the
next
four
weeks,
I'm
told.
F
So
we
should
all
make
a
contribution
to
that
on
the
third
sector,
the
last
biannual
meeting
in
terms
of
escalation
and
monitoring
and
holding
a
lot
of
risk
in
the
third
sector.
That
is
a
real
conversation.
I.
Think
in
relation
to
the
model
that
you
here
in
Leeds
is
you
do
not
have
a
threshold?
You
you,
you
assess
Risk
by
conversations
and
I
understand
that,
in
terms
of
social
care,
it
may
be
time
to
review
that
model
to
test
it
to
see
how
effectively
that
is
working
with
partners.
F
D
Thank
you
Chad,
thank
you
for
for
those
responses
which
are
really
helpful
and
appreciated.
I've
got
five
more
points,
I'll
make
them
all
and
then
to
keep
things
moving.
My
comments
on
notifications,
I'll,
save
for
item
eight,
so
just
touching
jasminda
mentioned
the
working
groups,
one
of
which
that
hasn't
met
for
12
months
I'd
be
grateful.
Someone
could
just
explain
if
that's
a
similar
position
with
all
the
working
groups
or
what
the
position
is
there
equally
a
bit
more
comment
on
the
priority
setting.
D
I'd
be
great
for
a
bit
more
comment
about
the
issue
of
children
being
educated
at
home.
It
is
an
issue.
Scrutiny
is
looked
at
in
detail,
but
I
think
it
is
an
area
of
concern
for
a
lot
of
people.
D
D
One
of
the
strengths
I
think
of
the
last
12
months,
is
the
better
relationship
between
the
council,
scrutiny
and
the
lscp,
and
just
be
grateful
for
some
comment
on
the
partners.
If
that's
something
they're
they're
Keen,
to
to
see,
continue
and
strengthen
I
think
we
don't
want
to
duplicate
work,
but
it's
been
of
Great
Value
to
have
more
involvement
and
more
communication
between
between
the
two
and
then
my
final
point
is
coming
back
to
my
first
question.
D
Again,
it's
I
think
it's
worth
remembering
we're
talking
about
the
most
serious
cases
when
we're
talking
about
learning
it's
where
they've
been
child
death,
significant
harm,
serious
harm,
The
Learning
is
key,
and
it's
key
that
it's
implemented
quickly
and
so
I'd
just
like
to
hear
what
assurances
we
can
be
given
that
we
are
doing
everything
possible
or
what
more
we
are
going
to
do
to
make
sure
when
we're
learning
lessons-
and
we
know
when
those
cases
happen
well,
so
that
should
never
be
able
to
happen
again.
D
E
Thank
you,
councilam
I'll
do
my
best
to
respond
to
to
most
of
them
to
one
degree
or
another
I
think
in
relation
to
the
subgroups
I
think
I
think
it's
right
and
proper
to
acknowledge
that
we
are
still
really
feeling
the
impact
of
the
pandemic.
You
know
and
whilst
and
I
suppose,
the
the
core
of
the
pandemic
might
feel
you
know
quite
a
while
ago.
Actually
the
impact
in
terms
of
our
partner
organizations
is
still
being
felt
in
terms
of
demand,
complexity
of
demand
and
Recruitment
and
Retention
issues.
E
E
You
know
a
number
of
groups
that
perhaps,
and
the
exec
board
members
also
becoming
more
involved
if
you
like,
with
some
of
the
partnership
work,
which
I
think
is
a
recognition
really
of
our
commitment
to
wanting
to
be
visible
leaders
within
that
broader
partnership.
As
part
of
that
work,
we
have
looked
at
the
subgroups
and
that's
the
work
that
jazz
vinda
has
described
in
as
much
as
she
will
be
meeting
with
the
chairs
of
those
subgroups.
E
You
know
and
again
that
is
something
that
featured
in
The
Independent
review
of
children's
social
care
as
to
whether
education
ought
to
be.
You
know
a
formal
statutory
member
of
executive
boards
going
forward.
You
know
so
these
are
live
conversations
that
we
are
having
as
a
partnership
and
with
jazz
vinder
in
relation
to
the
priorities.
Again,
that's
an
ongoing
piece
of
work.
It's
an
absolute
priority
for
us.
We
want
to
do
that
in
consultation
with
the
partnership,
and
so
we
will
be
looking
I
think
to
think
about.
E
Actually,
you
know
Oba
events,
you
know
with
error.
Success
in
leads
has
been
around
that
outcome,
focused
outcome,
based
accountability
and
actually
how
we
involve
our
partners
in
those
discussions.
So
I
think
that's
an
absolute
priority
for
us
this
year
to
review.
You
know
the
themes
to
review
the
emerging
issues.
E
Some
of
which
Steve
has
described
in
terms
of
csu's
violence
and
you
know,
risk
outside
the
home,
but
we
want
to
do
that
in
a
collaborative
way
and
sometimes
that
takes
a
bit
longer,
but
I
think
it's
really
really
important
that
we
do
that,
so
that
we
then
have
ownership
across
the
partnership
and
in
terms
of
children
being
educated
at
home.
You
know
we
know
nationally
that
there
has
been
an
increase
of
children
who
are
being
in
collectively
home
educated.
Whilst
we
have
seen
an
increase
in
leaves.
E
Actually
we
still
remain
relatively
low
in
terms
of
the
numbers
of
children
that
we
do
have
electively
home
educated
in
comparison
to
other
local
authorities
and
I.
Think
that's
no
small
feat
again,
given
the
size
of
the
city
and
the
demands
that
we
that
we
have
and,
as
you've
said,
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
recognize
parents,
carers,
rights
to
home,
educate
their
children.
That
is
their
right
and
you
know
there's
something
about
how
we
as
a
local
Authority
and
as
a
partnership,
support
parents
and
to
I
suppose
to
to
enact
their
rights.
E
You
know,
and
so
we
have
been
meeting
with
parents
right
across
the
city
who
are
currently
electively
home,
educating
their
children
to
talk
about.
What's
the
offer
you
know
as
a
local
Authority,
but
also
as
a
partnership,
what
is
it
that
we
can
offer
that
would
support
them
in
in
that
role.
E
Equally,
we
also
know
that
school
is
a
protective
Factor,
so
we
need
to
balance-
and
you
know
again,
I
suppose,
having
and
being
mindful
of
the
numbers
of
elective
home,
educated
but
I
think
we
need
to
come
from
a
position
of
support
in
terms
of
how
we
support
those
families
and
how
we
assure
ourselves
that
the
you
know
the
level
of
Education
that
the
quality
of
the
education
it's
been
provided
is
that
which
is
going
to
support
children,
young
people
to
really
fulfill
their
potential.
E
So
again,
a
lot
of
focus
on
that,
both
within
the
local
Authority,
but
also
across
the
partnership
in
terms
of
learning
and
embedding
the
learning
and
I
think
we've
talked
about
that
already.
E
You
know
I
think
it's
a
key
Focus
area
for
our
review.
Advisory
Group
again,
you
know:
we've,
we've
Steve
has
talked
about
some
Regional
work,
which
has
taken
place
right
across
Yorkshire
and
humberside
recently
in
terms
of
Workforce
Development
sessions
around
professional
curiosity.
So
not
our!
Not
only
are
we
I
suppose
taking
the
learning
from
leads
and
embedding
that
in
needs
we're
actually
sharing
the
learning
from
leads
across
across
the
region.
E
You
know,
so
what
I
would
say?
Is
we
committed
to
to
reviewing
our
processes,
strengthening
their
processes,
most
importantly
and
to
look
at
the
impact,
and
that
is
something
that
we'll
continue
to
do.
C
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
just
just
to
add
a
couple
of
observations
from
from
myself
and
around
around
the
the
Five
Points
that
councilor
Lamb
made
I
won't
touch
on
the
subgroup,
so
I
think
we've
covered
that
sufficiently
in
terms
of
priority
setting,
though
absolutely
as
soon
as
we
can
get
the
chairs
of
those
subgroups
together,
we
are
going
to
go
through
that
that
exercise
and
that
process
of
gathering
their
thoughts
and
their
recommendations
around
priority
setting,
and
we
hope
to
do
that
before
we
get
into
the
summer
any
further
in
terms
of
home
education,
I
I
think
it's
a
real
opportunity
to
support
young
people
within
this
area,
so
I
think
has
already
been
referenced
it.
C
It
can
be
quite
a
positive
environment
for
for
some
people
it
can
also
be
a
a
real
flag.
Around
potential
abuse
around
home
education
as
well,
and
my
Chief
Inspector
Partnerships,
who
works
within
the
local
Authority,
has
LinkedIn
with
Rebecca
McCormack,
who
link
who
leads
to
a
local
Authority
points
around
it.
C
So
how
can
we
improve
that
awareness
and
that
professional
curiosity
around
home
education,
but
other
matters
as
well
and
in
terms
of
the
comments
around
the
involvements
and
greater
sort
of
connection
between
ourselves
as
partner
agencies
and
and
scrutiny
yeah
within
within
reason?
I
I
am
more
than
happy
to
be
part
of
that
process.
I'm
a
public,
official
and
I
should
be
scrutinized
around
the
the
role
of
my
organization
and
the
action
of
my
officers,
so
I
I.
C
Welcome
that
to
that
greater
conversation
and
challenge
around
that
in
terms
of
the
most
serious
cases
I
was
I
was
on
a
a
national
facilitated
event
this
morning,
facilitated
by
Lorraine
Parker.
Who
is
the
the
national
facilitator
for
policing
that
Julie
alluded
to
in
in
one
of
her
answers?
A
moment
ago,
deputy
chief
counseling
critchley
was
on
that
call
as
well
and
he's
the
National
Police
Chief
council's
lead
for
child
protection.
C
He
is
talking
around
and
it
links
in
with
the
consultation,
that's
going
on
at
central
government
at
the
moment
around
changing
the
language
around
child
safeguarding
and
talking
about
the
types
of
offenses
that
we're
dealing
with,
and
that's
certainly
in
policing
somewhere
we're
moving
to.
G
You
chair
just
to
add
my
thanks
to
Jazz
vinder
in
particular.
I
know
she's
not
going
quite
yet,
but
really
really
appreciate
the
what
she's
brought
to
the
city
and
the
partnership,
and
it's
been
incredibly
important
for
us
to
improve
and
to
move
forward.
G
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
point
about
the
subgroup
and
the
meetings
that
just
to
reassure
people
that
we
have
conversations
with
schools
every
day
about
safeguarding
issues
and
we've
held
a
number
of
conversations
with
heads
about
the
general
situation
that
we
we
are
dealing
with.
Julie's
held
them
and
they
always
cover
safeguarding
issues
as
well.
G
So
it
is
important
that
we
get
those
subgroups
right,
but
there
are
also
a
lot
of
different
conversations
happening
right
across
the
city
and
there
is
good
good
connection,
I,
think
and-
and
you
know
right
across
the
range
of
schools,
regardless
of
you
know
whether
they're
associated
with
the
local
Authority
or
are
they
independent
maps?
G
And
the
other
point
I
just
wanted
to
make
was
I'm
involved
in
the
national
board,
with
the
minister,
taking
forward
the
review
recommendations
of
social
care
and
some
of
the
lessons
from
the
most
extreme
and
tragic
cases
nationally.
G
That
have
been
referenced
with
the
meeting
in
needs
tomorrow,
actually
and
very
keen
to
see
what
we're
doing
in
in
the
city
the
that
I
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
make
the
comment
that
will
probably
leads
into
the
next
paper,
but
the
challenge
on
the
front
line
and
the
demands
and
the
pressures
coming
out
of
the
pandemic,
combined
with
cost
of
living.
G
All
hitting
you
know,
families
who
are
already
vulnerable
or
who
weren't
vulnerable
but
become
vulnerable,
leads
to
a
really
challenging
situation
for
our
Frontline
staff
in
dealing
with
all
of
these
issues,
and
so
even
more
reason
why
you
know
we've
been
out
and
about
meeting
them
a
lot
and
hearing
from
them
and
and
the
embedding
of
that
learning
and
best
practices
is
even
more
important
in
those
circumstances.
G
But
you
realize
as
well
the
judgments
that
they're
having
to
make
and
how
challenging
that
is,
and
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
as
well,
Steve
and
and
Jill.
Who've
really
helped
us
in
with,
because
the
police
and
the
NHS
are
also
dealing
with
those
demand
pressures
too
and
often
the
when
you
look
at
the
individual
cases.
G
They
are
about
making
sure
that
the
practitioners
from
all
sides
are
able
to
meet
and
able
to
make
the
right
judgments
and
see
the
full
picture
and
in
a
demand
pressured
system,
that's
even
harder
and
I
think
so.
I
just
wanted
to,
and
and
I've
just
I
had
a
conversation
with
many
of
my
colleagues
across
the
country
and
we've
been
talking
about.
G
You
know
what
are
the
biggest
pressures
on
councils
at
the
moment,
and
this
is
the
biggest
pressure
financially
and
in
demand
terms,
and
it's
right
across
the
country
and
it's
something
I
think
the
government
are
aware
of.
But
it's
something
that
I
think
cross-party.
We
need
to
keep
that
conversation
going
because
it
is
really
hitting
you
know,
hitting
everybody
in
a
in
a
very,
very
serious
way.
So,
even
more
thanks
to
all
of
the
people
involved
in
this
safeguarding
work.
In
that
context,.
A
B
I'd
like
to
thank
everyone
for
that
very
rich
discussion
and
for
your
questions,
councilor
Lam,
I.
Think
what
we've
drawn
out
through
this
discussion
is
both
some
areas
that
we
need
to
focus
on,
particularly
the
education
subgroup.
There
was
Tom
pointed
out.
We
do
have
really
really
regular
contact
with
schools
around
safeguarding
I.
Think
we've
also
given
a
really
clear
outline
of
how
we
both
embed
and
disseminate
learning
that
comes
from
the
most
serious
crisis.
B
So
hopefully
people
will
feel
reassured
that
the
safeguarding
of
children
is
taken
with
the
utmost
seriousness
and
by
by
the
the
partners
across
the
the
safeguarding
executive
and
that
we
have
a
commitment
to
disseminating
learning
out
to
the
third
section
to
other
organizations
that
are
working
in
this
Arena
and
we've
reiterated
our
commitment
to
maintaining
The
Independent
School
scenario
going
forward
in
the
studio
is
highlighted,
were
in
the
process
of
recruiting
a
new
person
for
when
jaswinder
does
labor,
so
I'll
leave
it
there
chair.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
thank
all
our
partners
for
contributing
to
discussion,
so
I'm
going
to
move
to
the
recommendations
on
page
18
and
I.
Take
it.
Everybody
is
happy
with
those
recommendations.
That's
great!
Thank
you.
So
if
we
could
move
on
to
your
next
item,
please
Council
Vena
item
seven
yeah.
B
Thank
you.
So
this
is
a
report
of
the
child
poverty
strategy
in
Leeds,
and
it's
a
report
that
comes
here
regularly
and
also
which
goes
to
the
scrutiny
board
regularly
as
well
and
I'd
like
to
start
by
referencing
the
figures,
because
it
it
it
could
look
as
though
child
poverty
is
reducing
in
terms
of
the
22
that's
referenced,
whereas
it's
24
in
previous
reports
for
child
poverty
and
Leeds,
and
these
figures
come
from
the
DWP
and
they've
issued
a
caveat
with
their
figures.
I,
don't
know
why
they've
done
this,
but
they
started.
B
They
collected
this
data
in
a
different
way
to
how
it
been
collected
previously
in
terms
of
the
data's
collected
from
a
smaller
sample
and
in
a
different
way.
So
they've
made
the
point
that
these
figures
should
be
looked
at
as
a
point
in
time
and
not
compared
to
previous
years,
because
I
think
it
will
be
really
really
apparent
to
anybody
who
works
with
children
and
families
that
there
is
no
way
that
child
poverty
is
reducing
at
the
moment,
not
in
Leeds,
not
in
anywhere
else
in
the
country.
B
There
are
at
the
back
of
the
report.
There
is
an
explanation
of
the
definitions
of
poverty,
which
there
are
different
definitions
of
poverty,
just
to
confuse
matters,
but
the
most
commonly
used
definitions
are
a
family
when
poverty,
where
their
income
is
less
than
60
of
the
median
income,
and
you
can
look
at
that
before
and
after
how
housing
costs.
B
Even
if
we
look
at
that
measure
there
of
22,
that
does
mean
that
a
fifth
of
children
in
Leeds
are
living
in
poverty,
and
that
is
a
really
high
number
of
children,
and
we
think
that
is
that
is
under
what
the
figure
will
actually
be,
and
most
of
those
children
are
living
in
households
where
at
least
one
adult
is
at
work
and
you've
got
intersectionality
within
that,
so
you're
more
likely
to
be
a
family
in
poverty.
B
If
there's
a
disabled
person
in
the
family,
if
it's
single
parent
household
or,
if
you're
a
family
from
a
black
or
minority
ethnic
group,
the
report
goes
through
as
it
always
does.
It
goes
through
each
work
stream
that
the
child
poverty
strategy
focuses
on
and
it
outlines
some
quantitative
data
and
also
some
qualitative
feedback
so
that
you
can
see
the
outcomes
and
the
impact
of
the
work.
B
One
final
point
that
I
wanted
to
draw
your
attention
to,
and
it's
really
interesting
that
she's
superintendent
Dodd's
picked
up
on
this
in
the
Safeguard
report
and
described
it
as
chilling
the
the
direct
link
between
child
deaths
and
poverty.
So
this
report
references
a
report
into
child
mortality
for
2021
which,
which
highlights
700
deaths
that
are
directly
attributed
to
poverty.
B
That's
that
means
death
with
modifiable
factors
like
co-sleeping,
for
example,
which
is
more
likely
to
happen.
If
you
don't
have
you
know
if
you're
inadequately
housed
so
I
think
I
think
the
fact
that
children
are
literally
dying
because
of
poverty
is
is
chilling
to
use
a
gun,
Chief
superintendent
dogs,
this
phrase-
and
it's
it's
just
one
of
the
many
reasons
why
we
have
a
moral
responsibility
to
do
this.
Work
and
I've
said
many
times
that
as
a
council,
we
don't
have
the
levers
to
lift
people
out
of
property.
B
I
wish
we
did
that's
down
to
central
government
and
there
are
some
incredibly
cruel
policies
that
directly
impact
on
children,
but
we
do
have
a
moral
responsibility
to
ameliorate
the
impact
and
that's
why
you
know
we
have
a
child
property
stress
you
and
we're
not
a
client
to
why
we
have
a
board,
that's
cross-countel
and
involves
Partners
outside,
and
while
we
regularly
report
here
and
discreet
me,
thank
you,
chair.
D
Thank
you,
chair,
yeah
I,
welcome
the
report
and
I,
don't
think
anyone
any
one
of
us
would
underplay
the
impact,
particularly
at
the
moment
of
the
pandemic,
the
cost
of
living
crisis,
a
succession
of
of
issues
that
have
made
things
much
tougher
for
an
awful
lot
of
people,
some
of
whom
were
in
incredibly
challenging
circumstances.
Before
that
the
report
is
around
mitigating
the
impacts
of
poverty.
D
I
support
lots
of
it.
It's
been
to
scrutiny.
We've
looked
at
in
great
detail,
the
I
suppose
the
the
challenge
which
I
hope
is
is
taken
in
the
in
the
way
I
intend.
It
is
actually
I
think
what,
where
I
slightly
disagree
with
councilor
venner
is
I.
Think
there
is
more
that
the
council
could
do
to
look
at
the
root
causes
of
poverty
and
tackling
them,
and
actually,
if
you
take
out
the
impact
of
the
pandemic,
the
cost
of
living
crisis
and
other
things.
D
Poverty
has
been
stubborn
in
the
city
and
the
country
for
decades
and
decades
and
decades.
It's
not
a
political
point.
It
was
the
same
when
my
party
was
an
Administration
previously
when
you're
part
of
an
Administration
under
governments
of
all
colors
going
back
decades,
and
so
what
what
I'm
trying
to
put
forward
is
I,
I.
Think
there's
it's
important
that
we
do
this
work
to
mitigate
what's
happening
now,
but
in
parallel
we
have
to
start
looking
at.
D
Actually
what
could
we
do
and
if,
where
there's
talk
of
cross-party
representation
to
government
and
things
that
the
council
can
do
now,
it
should
be
focused
on
how
we
actually
get
once
and
for
all
to
the
root
causes
of
poverty
and
lifting
people
out
of
poverty
and
I.
Think.
Actually,
there
is
more
that
we
can
and
should
do
as
a
council.
B
Yeah,
you
won't
be
surprised
that
I
want
to
come
back
on
that
child
poverty
is
not
inevitable
and
it's
not
something
that
just
happens
to
go
up
or
down
child
poverty,
and
this
is
a
political
point
and
I'm
not
going
to
apologize
to
that
child
poverty
reduced
hugely
under
the
labor
government.
And
that
wasn't
a
coincidence.
It
was
things
like
short
start
working,
family
tax
credits,
educational
maintenance
allowance,
and
there
are
some
really
cruel
policies
now,
like
only
being
able
to
claim
child
benefit
to
Children.
B
You
know
like
the
benefits
cat,
like
the
reduction
of
the
20
pounds,
uplifting
Universal
Credit,
which
the
round
Chief
Foundation
estimated
pushed
an
additional
200
000
families
into
poverty.
They
are
political
decisions
and
when
I'm
talking
to
people
about
why
politics
is
important,
I
give
that
as
just
one
example,
because
that
shows
the
huge
impact
on
people's
lives
that
policies
made
at
a
national
level.
B
Have
you
know
the
labor
government
had
a
Target
to
reduce
child
poverty,
to
halve
it
by
2020,
and
the
coalition
government
got
rid
of
that
Target
and
made
it
not
a
requirement
for
councils
to
have
and
I'm
really
proud
that
we
still
do
so.
B
Actually
it
really
matters
what
happens
at
a
national
level
if
you've
got
suggestions
for
how
we
can
ameliorate
the
impact
of
poverty
better
than
we
do
that
I'm
really
Keen
to
hear
them,
because
that's
all
we're
able
to
do
at
the
moment
is
mitigate
the
impact,
and
we
have
a
duty
to
do
that
and
that's
why
we
have
so
many
different
people
working
on
this
in
the
council
out
of
the
council,
and
we
have
so
many
different
work
streams.
It's
our
responsibility
to
do
that.
B
To
make
sure
children
have
school,
uniform,
they're,
not
hungry
in
holidays,
they
can
enjoy
activities
that
all
children
should
be
able
to
access.
If
there
are
ways
we
can
do
better
than
better
than
we
are
doing,
then
I'm
really
up
for
hearing
that,
but
actually
to
imply
this
is
something
that
just
happens
or
isn't
massively
impacted
by
national
policy
is
wrong
and
yeah
I'll
leave
that
there
chair.
Thank
you.
D
You
won't
be
surprised
that
I'd
like
to
come
back
on
that,
because
that's
not
what
I
said
and
isn't
in
the
spirits
of
what
I
said.
I
didn't
say:
poverty
is
inevitable
at
all.
Actually,
according
to
the
Joseph
ramsry
Foundation,
you
quoted
poverty.
Roommate
rates
have
remained
the
same
since
1994
to
1995
throughout
the
labor
government
throughout
all
governments.
The
point
I
was
making
is
the
underlying
causes
of
poverty
have
been
stubbornly
there
for
decades.
No
government
has
got
to
this
I.
Don't
think
poverty
should
be
inevitable.
D
It
is
not
inevitable,
and
it's
not
what
I'm
saying
that
the
thing
that
disappoints
me
is
you
don't
accept
that
the
council,
with
all
its
budget
and
resources,
can
have
an
impact
on
lifting
people
out
of
poverty.
I,
don't
think,
I
think
it's
right
that
we
have
a
strategy
for
mitigating
the
effects
now
actually
I
think
we
should
have
more
ambition
and
we
should
say
we
can.
D
That
doesn't
mean
we
don't
need
the
government
to
do
more,
whichever
color
it
is,
and
we
shouldn't
be
working
in
Partnership,
but
I
think
we
should
actually
have
that
ambition
and
see
it
as
our
role
as
a
council
to
try
and
lift
people
out
of
poverty
and
tackle
the
root
causes
once
and
for
all.
I,
don't
think
it's
just
down
to
government
I!
Think
there's
more!
We
can
do
that's
the
point
I'm
making.
Thank
you.
B
Don't
think
anyone
could
accuse
this
strategy
of
not
being
ambitious.
It
covers
all
aspects
of
children's
lives.
It
covers
access
to
Green
Space.
It
covers
getting
people
into
employment,
giving
children
the
best
start
in
life,
making
sure
that
children
in
a
position
that
they
can
learn
at
school
again,
I
would
reiterate-
and
this
will
be
going
back
to
scrutiny
and
I-
really
welcome
The
Challenge
from
people
on
the
scootenai
board.
If
there
are,
if
there's
more
than
we
could
be
doing,
then
I'm
really
really
up
for
hearing
that.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
venner
and
councilor
Lam
I.
Don't
see
anybody
else
wanting
to
come
in
on
this
one,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
to
the
recommendations
on
page
68
and
see
if
the
board
accepts
those
recommendations.
B
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
so
this
is
the
report
I
committed
to
bring
to
executive
board
at
March's
full
council
meeting.
It's
a
response
to
the
conservative
white
paper,
which
was
passed
unanimously
at
that
full
Council.
B
B
That's
been
in
the
national
news
of
a
situation
that
isn't
around
sexual
offending,
but
the
the
tragic
death
of
little
Finley
Bowden,
who
was
was
killed
by
his
parents.
The
council,
in
that
case,
recommended
a
four-month,
gradual
process
by
which
Finley
would
stop
being
elected
after
child
in
return
to
the
care
of
his
parents,
because
there
were
concerns
about
his
parents,
ability
to
parent
and
their
substance
misuse.
The
court
overruled
that
and
reduced
it
to
eight
weeks
now.
B
We
can't
possibly
know
if
Finley
would
have
lived
had
that
process
been
slower,
but
it's
a
really
horrible
powerful
example
of
where
courts
are
able
to
overrule
the
recommendation
of
social
workers
and
you
know
of
the
council.
B
This
report
recommends
a
cross-party
letter
to
the
newly
formed
ministerial
group,
Prosperity
ministerial
group,
Child
Protection
ministerial
group,
to
request
a
review
of
both
legislation
and
statutory
guidance
in
this
area,
and
in
that
letter
we
would
want
to
request
a
particular
emphasis
on
the
voice
of
the
child
and
their
right
to
information
about
their
circumstances,
and
that
is
directly
from
learning
from
cases
in
Leeds
and
that
recommendation
has
been
strengthened
after
the
meeting
on
the
9th
of
June.
B
The
cross
party
meeting
to
refer
to
the
fact
that
currently
different
organizations
have
different
risk
assessment
tools
to
assess
different
things.
That's
part
of
the
challenge,
a
more
unified
approach
would
would
be
helpful.
So
that's
something
we'd
want
that
group
to
look
at
in
line
with
the
white
paper
recommendation.
The
report
also
refers
to
the
importance
of
openness
and
transparency,
and
it
reiterates
our
commitment
to
continuing
to
have
an
independent
scrutiny
role
with
regard
to
safeguarding
children.
Thank
you,
chair.
D
You
chair
and
I
was
hoping
that
the
partners
were
going
to
stay
for
this
actually,
but
I'll
ask
my
questions
anyway,
and
hopefully,
between
Julie
and
Council
event.
They
can.
They
can
cover
the
answers.
So
the
first
point
for
me
is
obviously
I
hope.
D
Council
lavender
will
accept
that
the
way
this
came
to
the
attention
of
opposition
members
and
scrutiny
was
not
right
and
that
lessons
have
been
learned
from
that
and
there
was
a
considerable
amount
of
time
from
the
Independent
chair,
raising
concerns
about
not
being
assured
about
the
process
of
notifications
and
opposition
members
and
counselors,
and
even
the
members
of
the
administration
being
made
made
aware
of
that
concern,
and
so
I'd
just
be
grateful
for
an
assurance
that
we
have
learned
that
lesson
and
that
in
similar
circumstances,
hopefully
there
won't
be
any,
but
we
would
bring
that
forward
and
make
sure
everybody's
engaged
in
the
process
at
an
early
Point.
D
My
next
question
is
around:
who
is
making
referrals
to
the
review
Advisory
Group
now
my
understanding
is,
the
majority
are
coming
from
police
partners
and
Health
Partners,
and
one
of
the
concerns
I
have
is
that
do
colleagues
in
Social
care
feel
comfortable
and
confident,
as
was
alluded
to
in
the
previous
paper,
about
how
to
escalate
their
concerns
and
that
they're
then
taken
seriously
and
they
find
their
way
to
the
re-advisory
group
and
then
finally
understand
they've
only
been
six
notifications
in
Leeds
since
April
2022
and
I'd
be
grateful
to
understand.
D
If
that's
typical,
if
that's
what
we'd
expect
to
see
in
a
city
the
size
of
Leeds
and
what
the
what's
behind,
that
number.
E
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
so
I.
Think
in
relation
to
the
first
point,
comes
to
land
that
you
made.
E
E
I
myself
have
ensured
that
we
have
processes
in
place
which
enable
us
to
have
conversations
with
significant
individuals
within
the
local
Authority
and
within
the
partners,
and
to
have
conversations
at
the
earliest
opportunity
and
I
think
have
evidenced
that
in
recent
months
and
recent
weeks
that
those
processes
are
in
place
and
that
they
are
affected.
E
I.
Think
as
it's
been
described
both
by
Jazz
vinder
and
by
Steve
today,
and
the
partnership
and
is
in
a
strong
place.
You
know,
as
was
recognized
by
the
ilac
last
year,
and
that's
not
to
say
that
any
of
us
are
about
to
sit
on
our
Laurels.
You
know
we
are
committed
to
a
culture
of
continuous
Improvement,
a
culture
of
learning,
a
culture
of
openness
and
a
culture
of
transparency
and
I
can
absolutely
assure
you
with
you,
know,
all
Integrity
that
that
is
in
place
across
the
executive
and
across
the
partnership.
E
E
At
no
time
have
they
expressed
a
concern,
nor
was
it
you
know
expressed
as
a
concern
when
we
had
the
ilac
inspection
last
year.
That
there's
you
know
like
a
confidence
if
you
like
in
the
number
of
notifications
that
are
being
made
by
leads
I,
think
as
Jazz
vinder
has
referenced.
In
the
earlier
discussion
on
the
earlier
paper,
we
have
seen
a
rising
notifications
from
leads
and
again
it's
an
area
that
we
continue
to
monitor.
E
We
Benchmark
we
look
at
other
core
cities,
we
look
at
information
from
from
the
region,
so
it's
something
that
we're
very
mindful
of,
and
it's
something
that
we
have
I
suppose
that
professional
curiosity
as
an
executive
board
in
terms
of
the
review,
Advisory,
Group
and
referrals
to
the
review
Advisory
Group,
you
know
absolutely
there
are
referrals
from
the
range.
E
The
broad
range
of
partnership
and
I
certainly
experienced
that
myself
when
I
was
a
member
of
the
review,
Advisory
Group
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
both
in
the
partnership
but
in
the
local
Authority
around
the
escalation
process.
E
I
think,
what's
what's
more
important
in
some
ways
are
as
important
to
me
and
to
the
exec
board
is
I,
suppose
I
think
there's
something
that
comes
before
a
professional
or
an
individual
wanting
to
feel
that
they're
in
a
position
to
perhaps
formally
escalate.
So
you
know,
if
we're
thinking
about
that
real-time,
the
identification
of
need,
there's
something
about
how
we
support
our
practitioners
right
across
the
partnership,
but
within
the
children
and
families
director
to
act
on
their
intuition
so
to
act
on
when
they
have
a
niggle.
E
When
something
does
not
feel
quite
right,
you
know,
so
we
don't
really
want
people
to
be
waiting
until
the
point
that
they've
got
a
major
concern.
So
again,
if
we're
thinking
about
early
intervention
and
prevention,
if
we're
thinking
about
best
practice,
what
we're
doing
and
what
we
continue
to
do
is
to
support
colleagues
at
every
level
of
the
director
to
act
on
that
professional
experience
that
professional
niggle,
you
know
the
knowledge
their
judgment
to
have
those
conversations
in
supervision
to
have
those
conversations.
E
We
have
reflective
forums
where
colleagues
come
together
within
the
direct
lecture,
but
also
with
other
partners
from
other
agencies,
so
I
think
there's
something
about
you
know
in
order
to
avoid
concern
in
order.
You
know
we
don't
want
things
getting
to
that
level.
It's
about
enabling
people
empowering
people
to
come
forward
at
the
earliest
point
when
they
are
feeling
that
something's
not
quite
right.
E
Clearly,
we
do
have
the
formal
escalation
process,
there's
a
need
for
the
formal
escalation
process
and
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
both
within
the
local
Authority,
but
also
the
partnership
has
already
been
described
about
creating
awareness
of
that.
The
one
thing
about
Partners
being
aware
colleague's
been
aware:
there's
the
other
bit
for
me,
which
is
about
empowering
encouraging
creating
a
culture
where
not
only
is
it
is
the
permission
to
share.
E
B
I
just
want
to
turn
to
one
point
on
the
issue
around
openness
to
the
transparency,
because
one
of
the
things
this
paper
was
asked
to
do
was
was
to
address
that
and
to
reiterate
our
commitment
to
openness
and
transparency.
B
I
just
wanted
to
draw
your
attention
on
page
129,
there's
a
reference
to
the
Rotherham
inquiry
and
the
question
about
whether
in
in
that
inquiry,
whether
absolute
transparency
should
take
precedence
over
protecting
the
confidentiality
confidential
details
of
children
and
the
inquiry
found
that
the
guiding
principle
on
reductions
in
serious
case
reviews
must
be
the
welfare
of
any
children
involved
as
Paramount.
So
I,
just
understood
that
caveat
that
we've
put
that
in
the
paper
that
this
council
is
absolutely
committed
to
openness
and
transparency,
subject
to
the
principle
of
the
welfare
of
children
is
Paramount.
B
Having
said
that,
Julie
has
absolutely
committed
as
you'll
be
aware
to
briefing
opposition.
You
know
the
relevant
opposition
members
and
the
fact
that
that
has
been
happening
was
positively
positively
referenced
by
one
of
them.
At
the
meeting
on
the
9th
of
June
who
was
expressing,
you
know
thank
thanking
Julie
for
for
proactively
doing
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
yeah
make
that
caveat
but
say
we
are
committed
to
making
sure
our
position
members
are
appropriately
briefed.
Thank
you.
D
You
no
and
I
would
reaffirm
that.
Actually,
Julie
has
been
incredibly
open,
I
just
felt
and
feel
it's
important
in
this
forum
that
it's
confirmed
that
that's
the
position
that
it
is
the
principle
of
this,
this
Council
that
we
will
accept.
You
have
to
respect
confidentiality
and
I
hope.
We've
also
demonstrated
as
opposition
members
that,
when
that's
been
asked
of
us,
we've
respected
that
absolutely
without
question.
D
D
It's
not
always
appropriate
for
these
conversations
to
happen
in
public
for
for
obvious
reasons,
but
we
need
to
give
everyone
the
confidence
that
we're
on
it,
that
there
isn't
another
rather
I'm
waiting
to
happen
here
in
Leeds
I,
don't
believe
there
is,
but
we
need
to
be
able
to
give
that
reassurance
constantly
a
couple
of
further
questions
questions.
D
So
one
of
the
issues
around
this
was
when
there,
when
there's
a
disagreement
between
the
partners.
The
legal
position
is
clear:
the
duty
sits
with
the
local
authority
to
make
the
notification,
but
my
view
is
the
customer
practice
should
be
that
if
two
partners
agree
there
should
be
a
notification.
We
should
notify,
regardless
of
The
View.
If
the
local
Authority
have
a
different
View
and
I'd
like
an
assurance
that
that's
a
representation
we'll
be
making
to
the
National
panel
review
that
that
should
be
the
position.
D
I
know,
we've
had
a
vice
that
that's
not
currently
the
position,
but
it's
been
reviewed
now.
My
view
is
that
should
be
the
case.
If
two
partners
feel
there
should
be
a
notification,
the
local
Authority
shouldn't
have
a
veto,
the
standard
we
we
could
take
that
as
a
customer
practice.
Now,
if
we
wanted
it's
my
understanding
legally,
but
regardless
of
that,
if
we
disagree,
we
could
make
that
representation
that
if
two
partners
feel
there
should
be
a
notification
that
should
be
our
representation.
E
Think
some
of
our
legal
colleagues
might
want
to
come
in
as
well
just
in
terms
of
the
current
legal
position,
and
you
know
what
we
can
and
what
we
can't
do.
What
I
would
say
is
in
the
last
12
months,
I
think,
18
months
we
have
not
had
a
situation
yet
where
there's
not
been
a
consensus
across
the
three
key
statutory
Partners
in
terms
of
notification
and
I
think
actually
that
evidences,
the
learning
that
has
taken
place
in
recent
times
and
it
also
evidences.
E
You
know
the
strength
of
the
partnership
really
so
I.
Don't
you
know,
I
think
that
that
will
continue
I'm,
absolutely
confident
that
that
will
continue
and
that
consensus,
if
you
like,
and
that
effective
partnership
working.
E
H
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
it's
Rebecca
Roberts
legal
officer
and
I'm.
Also
the
legal
advisor
to
the
lscp
and
the
legal
framework
that
sits
around
the
notification
process
was
mentioned
in
the
lscp's
annual
report
as
well,
and
it
it
is
within
the
legal
framework
that,
when
a
notification
is
made,
that
notification
is
the
duty
of
the
local
Authority.
It
is
their
decision
to
make
and
that
legal
framework
has
recently
been
strengthened
by
new
guidance.
E
Perhaps
just
wanted
to
give
you
one
example
of
I
think
where
The
Learning
has
been
taken
forward
and
also
the
partnership
discussions
and
the
partnership
process
has
become
richer,
and
so,
as
an
example
in
the
review
Advisory
Group.
Once
we've
made
a
notification
we
have
to,
we
enter
into
what's
called
a
rapid
review
process,
and
that
leads
to
the
review
Advisory
Group
meeting
and
before
that
every
organization
who's
been
involved
with
a
child
over
a
particular
time.
E
Skill
has
to
complete
a
scoping
exercise,
so
that's
quite
a
detailed
document
of
their
involvement
with
the
child
with
the
family
and
as
part
of
that,
they
will
identify
where
they
feel
that
there's
been
areas
of
good
practice,
strong
practice
in
their
involvement,
but
also
where
there's
perhaps
been
areas
where
they
could
have
done
things
differently
and
where
they
feel
they
should
have
done
things
differently.
What
we've
now
done
as
part
of
this
whole
learning,
is
when
we
have
the
review
Advisory
Group.
E
We
actually
invite
the
authors
of
those
scoping
documents
to
attend
the
review
advice
group
for
that
discussion.
So
it
may
be
that
we
have
had
teachers
we
have
senkers.
We
have
health
visitors,
we
have
police
colleagues
and
they
contribute
to
that
discussion
because
I
think
one
of
the
points
which
was
raised
earlier
in
the
meeting
was
the
point.
E
You
know
the
absolute
urgency
to
get
learning
in
his
timely
a
way
as
possible,
and
what
we've
found
through
this
new
process
is
that
the
richness
of
those
discussions
in
terms
of
pulling
those
authors
together
and
the
ability
then
to
identify
learning
in
as
timely
way
as
possible.
So
we
take
that
learning
immediately
from
that
rag
group
discussion
and
we
are
implementing
that
both
in
individual
organizations
and
across
across
the
Partnerships
I
suppose
just
to
reflect
I.
Think
that's
an
example
of
where
the
views
of
the
partnership.
E
D
Thank
you.
The
specific
question
which
hasn't
been
answered
is:
what
is
our
representation
going
to
be
to
the
National
panel
review?
My
view
is
it
should
there
should
be
a
change,
as
is
advocated
by
all
the
other
partners
and
the
independent
chair
that
when
there
is
disagreements,
if
two
partners
think
there
should
be
a
notification,
there
should
be
a
notification
it
shouldn't
be
for
the
local
Authority
or
whoever
is
that,
ultimately,
that
has
the
duty
to
notify.
D
E
You
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
learning
in
leads
and
one
of
the
reasons
actually
which
we
now
have.
We
have
this
current
process
where
you
know
working
together
the
change
there
was
a
change
which
gave
the
ultimate
responsibility
to
the
director
of
children's
services
to
make
the
decision
in
terms
of
notifications
was
because
in
previous
Arrangements,
where
actually
there
was
a
shared,
what
would
you
say,
shared
responsibility?
Actually,
that
proved
very,
very
difficult,
because
there
were
times
when,
actually
you
know
it
wasn't
possible,
so
I
don't
think.
E
There's
necessarily
any
easy
answers
to
this,
which
again,
as
I've
said
I
think,
is
all
know
by
the
fact
that
we've
had
a
change
in
Arrangements
only
back
in
2019
and
we're
yet
again
now
in
a
consultation
and
I
think
that
evidences,
the
complexity
of
it
I,
wouldn't
want
to
be
drawn
today.
In
terms
of
that
particular
question
cancel
on,
because
I
think
it
does
require
ongoing
reflection.
E
I
think
it
does
require
ongoing
discussion
within
within
the
director
and,
as
I've
said,
you
know,
I
have
taken
advice,
I
have
taken
conversations
with
the
national
safeguarding
facilitator
and
the
national
panel
who
themselves
I.
Think
you
know
would
say
that
it's
not
an
exact
science
and
I
think
the
safest
thing
really
in
terms
of
decision
making
is
to
ensure,
which
is
what
we've
done
in
leaves,
which
is
that
it
is
transparent.
It
is
clear.
E
Partners
do
feel
that
they
are
being
listened
to
and
that
they
are
absolutely
able
and
to
inform
the
decisions
that
are
made
and,
as
I've
said,
we've
not
had
a
situation
where
we've
not
been
able
to
reach
an
agreement
and
I.
Think
and
I.
Think
that's
where
the
focus
should
be
in
terms
of
the
partnership
being
effective
in
being
able
to
work
through
some
of
the
complexities
that
we've
discussed
today.
B
Just
say
a
couple
of
sentences
really
which
I
think
I
think
the
report
highlights
the
just
huge
amount
of
learning.
That's
happened
as
a
result
of
discussions
in
various
forums
and
and
serious
cases
from
the
the
last
couple
of
years,
and
that
I
think
the
report
highlights
the
learning,
that's
happened
and
the
way
in
which
the
partnership
has
been
strengthened.
I
think
the
only
other
comment
I'd
want
to
make
is
just
thank
people
from
across
the
chamber
for
their
input
into
into
this
report.
B
I've
not
had
the
experience
before
an
exec
Board
of
having
cross-party
input
to
an
exec
board
report
and
it's
felt
like
a
collaborative
process.
Councilor
Blackburn
who's
observing
actually
spoke
to
me
on
his
holiday
because
he
couldn't
come
to
the
meeting,
which
I
think
kind
of
demonstrates
really
the
commitment
that
people
have
had
to
getting
to
this
point
so
I'd
like
to
thank
everyone,
and
especially
Julie
and
the
legal
team,
it's
a
very
legalistic
paper
as
you
would
have
experience.
So
thank
you
all
for
your
your
expertise
in
helping
us
get.
B
You
know
get
to
this
point
where
you
know.
One
of
the
recommendations
is
a
cross-party
letter
to
the
ministerial
group,
and
that
will
be
our
next
task
to
to
work
on
that.
You
know
with
with
members
from
across
the
chamber,
so
thank
you.
A
I
Thank
you
leader,
so
this
is
the
UK
shared
Prosperity
fund
years.
Two
and
three
as
executive
board
knows.
Uk
SPF
is
the
fund
that
replaced
the
EU
structural
and
investment
funds,
albeit
much
much
smaller,
so
back
in
October
exec
board
authorized
procurement
and
spend
for
year.
One
and
this
report
will
take
us
up
to
year
three
years.
Two
and
three
will
be
delivering
our
priorities
on
the
cost
of
living,
community
infrastructure,
cultural
heritage
and
engagement,
and
also
supporting
Innovation
and
business.
I
These
will
be
delivered
through
a
mixture
of
Council
teams,
procurement,
commissioning
and
Grant.
Awards
I
shall
leave
it
there
for
opening
remarks.
D
A
I'll
move
to
the
recommendation,
page
135
and
the
board
accepts
those
recommendations
so
on
to
your
second
paper,
please
Council
prior.
I
Thank
you
later
so
exec
board
decided
last
year
to
review
the
council's
investment
in
our
independent
cultural
sector.
This
report
summarizes
the
findings
of
this
review
and
makes
recommendations
again
for
the
next
three
years.
Increasingly,
we're
seeing
our
cultural
sector
is
absolutely
essential
to
leaders,
economy
and
culture
is
a
key
driver
of
growth.
I
This
sector
not
only
delivers
more
than
850
jobs
and
creates
work
for
more
than
2
300
freelance
workers,
but
also
brings
in
a
host
of
benefits
in
health
and
well-being
Community
occasion
and
and
more
on
top
of
those
economic
benefits
through
so
through.
This
refreshed
investment
program
we'll
continue
to
offer
a
range
of
supports,
including
grants
to
support
one-off
projects,
as
well
as
longer
programs
and
core
running
costs
for
of
organizations.
Thank
you
thank.
D
It
wasn't
much
of
a
breather,
but
I
didn't
want
to
let
counselor
play
off
the
hook
too
easily.
D
So
I'd
just
like
to
focus
on
the
references
to
Leeds
2023
in
this
and
you'll
be
familiar
with
our
position.
That
would
we
were
in
favor
of
continuing
with
the
year
of
culture.
You
know
we
disagree
on
the
the
amount
of
money
that's
got
spent.
We
think
that
they
could
have
been.
It
could
have
been
delivered
at
significantly
less
cost
to
the
taxpayer,
but
we
are
where
we
are.
D
The
the
report
says
it
is
expected
that
Leeds
2023
will
let
culture
loose
across
all
areas
of
the
city,
given
we're
now
halfway
through
2023
I.
Think
a
lot
of
people
in
the
city
would
be
hard-pressed
to
say:
they'd
agree
that
culture
has
been
let
loose
so
far
in
all
parts.
I
accept
there
are
many
events
still
to
come.
The
concern
is
that
actually
it's
going
to
end
up
being
a
bit
of
a
damp,
squib
and
I.
D
Think
from
this
point,
we'd
hope
for
the
reputation
of
the
city
that
you
can
assure
us
that
actually
we
are
going
to
look
back
at
the
end
of
2023
and
feel
that
all
parts
of
the
city
did
benefit
from
this
year
of
culture.
It
doesn't
feel
like
that
at
the
minute.
So
perhaps
you
could
give
us
some
assurances
on
that.
I
So,
first
of
all,
what
I'd
say
is
the
initial
proposal
of
core
funding
from
the
council
to
fund
2023
started
around
12
million,
and
this
was
obviously
pre-covered
pre-cost
of
living.
This
was
reduced
twice
to
I.
Think
the
final
core
cost
I,
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
but
I
think
was
5.7
million
from
core
Council
funding.
So
that's
that's
quite
a
significant
reduction
which,
while
something
we
necessarily
didn't
didn't
want
to
reduce.
I
Obviously
we
had
to
reflect
the
current
those
economic
Landscapes
at
the
time
in
terms
of
2023
in
23
events,
I've
been
to
a
number
of
events,
myself
I've
not
seen
you
there
councilor
lamb,
but
we've
had
the
launch
event.
There's
been
a
huge
amount
done
in
schools
which
is
going
to
be
huge
to
those
children
who
attend
those
schools.
I
don't
have
children
myself,
so
I've
not
been
to
any
of
those
but
they're
still
going
on
they're
still
happening.
I
We've
obviously
had
the
the
barn
raising,
which
was
a
hugely
successful
event.
We
saw
thousands
of
people
attending
that
we're
in
the
middle
of
33
different
events,
one
for
each
Ward
I.
I
Think
weatherbees
is
in
July
1st
of
July
there
we
go
so
I
hope
you'll
be
able
to
find
your
way
to
that
one
I'm
looking
forward
to
going
around
a
few
myself,
we've
just
launched
in
the
city
center,
a
new
art
installation
which
I
hope
will
inspire
conversations
and
we'll
be
there
for
the
rest
of
the
year
and
we
are
coming
up
to
children's
day
as
well.
So
there
are
a
huge
number
of
events
which
are
coming
up
both
in
the
city
center
and
across
the
city.
I
Now,
when
we
look
at
the
kind
of
the
economic
impact
of
2023,
we
know
that
that
initial
5.7
million
investment
from
core
Council
funding
has
actually
brought
in
more
money
to
leads
whether
that's
through
the
Arts
Council,
whether
that's
through
National,
Lottery,
Heritage
fund
business
rates
have
been
spent
on
it.
So
it
means
more.
Money
has
been
spent
in
leads
than
would
have
been
here.
Had
we
not
gone
forward
with
29
23,
so
that
is
a
a
clear
economic
benefit.
I
Whatever
you,
people,
think
of
an
artistic
side
and
and
art
is
always
going
to
be
attract
different
opinions.
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
up
to
or
there's
politicians
to
say
what
art
or
art
isn't.
But
it's
undoubtful
that
that
money
has
come
into
into
leads.
It's
been
disappointing
that
when
we've
approached
the
government
to
ask
them
to
fund
any
of
our
year
of
culture,
they've
they've
turned
us
down
and
they
haven't.
I
Given
us
any
money
there,
and
so
leads
is
going
to
have
to
grow
our
economy
by
ourselves
without
that
government
support.
So
I
have
every
faith
that
this
will
continue
to
boost
our
economy
and
we've
still
got
half
the
year
to
go.
Yeah.
A
Great
so
I'm,
going
to
turn
to
accommodations
on
page
155
and
I.
Take
at
the
border
accept
those
recommendations
so
we'll
move
on
to
the
paper
under
my
portfolio,
please,
which
is
the
organizational
plan
for
2023
onwards,
of
being
our
best
paper.
This
is
something
that
sits
alongside
our
best
city
ambition,
which
is
a
document
the
work
we
do
reaching
out
to
all
our
partners
and
communities
in
the
city.
This
is
a
bit
that
Works
how
we
will
work
as
a
council.
A
We've
used
feedback
from
our
peer
review
last
year
around
areas
where
we
need
to
work,
particularly
with
our
Workforce
and
supporting
our
managers
within
the
workforce,
to
take
the
council's
agenda
forward.
So
I
won't
say
a
lot
more
than
that
on
the
introduction.
I
don't
know
if
Mariana
wants
to
add
anything
at
this
page,
no,
not
at
all
so
I
will
see.
If
councilman
wants
to
make
any
comments
on
this,
please
yeah.
D
You'd
be
disappointed
if
I
didn't
one
question
and
there
well
no
two
separate
questions.
First,
one
probably
for
Marianne
I,
don't
even
give
us
an
update
on
how
many
or
what
what
percentage
of
time
is
still
spent
working
from
home
and
if
we've
done
any
measuring
on
how
that's
impacted
productivity.
J
D
Okay
and
then
thank
you
and
then
my
second
question
completely
unrelated,
maybe
a
little
tenuous
but
I
was
struggling
to
find
where
I
could
raise
it
on
this,
but
I'd
like
to
ask
councilor
Hayden
about
the
changes
to
the
the
planning
portal
on
the
subject
of
being
our
best
and
regardless
of
whether
you
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
stop
having
public
well
I
made
it
public
comments
not
being
visible
on
the
planning
portal.
D
Would
you
agree
with
me
that,
on
the
spirit
of
being
our
best
implementing
them,
with
no
notice
only
Consulting
labor
chairs
of
plans
panels
and
just
introducing
it
is
not
an
acceptable
way
to
be
our
best
and
a
commitment
that
perhaps
now
we
can
work
across
party
to
look
at
whether
this
is
the
best
way
to
achieve
the
suggested
objective
and
maintain
openness
and
transparency.
K
Thank
you,
leader,
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
question
was.
D
You're
familiar
with
the
changes
to
the
planning
portal.
Yes,
so
so
well,
there's
two
questions.
One.
Do
you
think
it's
a
good
idea?
I,
don't
two:
do
you
think
it's
right
that
it
was
introduced
with
no
notice,
no
notification,
no
consultation
with
opposition
members,
no
consultation
with
the
public
with
Parish
councils,
all
the
many
people
that
are
interested
as
two
parts.
One?
Do
you
think
it's
a
good
idea
two?
Would
you
accept
it
should
have
been
done
in
a
much
better
way.
K
K
I
wish
we
had
enough
financing
to
employ
planning
officers
to
monitor
the
pun
in
Portal,
so
that
any
abusive
and
inappropriate
comments
could
be
removed
and
that
we
could
employ
people
to
do
that.
Instead,
they
need
to
be
working
on
planning
applications.
We
don't
have
enough
finance
and
we
don't
have
enough
funding
enabled
to
properly
police
the
the
planning
portal
I
would
love
to
have
kept
it
as
it
was.
But
financing
was
an
issue.
K
So
I
wish
it
was
something
that
we
didn't
have
to
take,
and
it's
once
you
have
something
in
place:
people
don't
like
it.
If
you
have
to
change
it
and
it's
not
something
that
we
did
lightly
in
terms
of
the
way
it
was
done
and
the
chief
officer
went
through
the
scrutiny
with
the
scrutiny
board,
I'm
I'm,
sorry,
but
it
was
reported
in
the
Yorkshire
Evening
Post,
exactly
what
the
chief
officers
said
at
scrutiny
about
the
changes
to
the
planning
portal
and
the
explanation.
K
There
was
also
an
email
sent
out
to
all
members
in
April
explaining
the
changes.
I
have
to
say
not
one
member
of
council
approached
me
or
emailed
me
about
the
proposed
changes
it
was
up.
Like
I
said
it
was
also
mentioned
at
scrutiny.
K
Yes,
the
plans
panels
shares
were
all
consulted
and
the
decision
wasn't
made
until
we
consulted,
and
then
the
previous
leader
of
the
conservative
group
was
console
consulted
as
well,
and
we
did
everything.
It's
not
a
statutory
requirement
of
the
council
and
many
other
local
authorities
have
never.
K
Perhaps
it's
not
that
people
can't
make
comments.
It's
just
that
many
of
the
local
authorities
have
never
made
individual
comments
made
by
residents
public
to
other
residents,
and
we
and
many
other
local
authorities
are
also
and
planning.
Authorities
are
also
changing
the
way
that
we
have
due
to
the
same
problems
that
we've
experienced
as
well
with
this
people
will
always
be
able
to
make
comments.
K
They
will
all
be
recorded
in
the
reports
of
any
any
planning
application
and,
and
those
reports
will
be
made
known
to
to
the
planning
panels
as
normal.
D
May
I,
just
follow-up
chair
and
I
I
know
Council
Hayden,
well
enough
to
know
that
everything
she
just
said
will
have
been
made
in
absolute
good
faith.
I'm,
not
convinced
it
was
entirely
accurate,
but
I
appreciate
I've
also
put
her
on
the
spot.
Could
you
confirm
all
those
things
you've
just
said
in
writing
with
dates
and
times,
because
my
understanding
is
the
previous
leader
of
the
opposition?
Wasn't
briefed
I
wasn't
aware
to
have
been
to
scrutiny?
K
Yes,
of
course,
I
mean
scrutiny
is
a
matter
of
public
record
anyway,
but
I'm
happy
to
get
that
you're
right.
It
didn't
go
to
development
plans
panel,
which
is
why
I
didn't
mention
it,
but
it
was
definitely
the
chief
officer
talked
about
it
at
scrutiny.
The
scrutiny
bar
did
look
at
it.
G
To
make
the
comment,
because
it
is
actually
relevant
to
this,
this
report
in
the
sense
of
workload
and
pressure
on
reduced
numbers
in
teams
is,
is
one
of
our
biggest,
if
not
the
biggest
challenge,
we've
got
at
the
moment
and
after
an
in
a
period
during
the
pandemic,
and
then
afterwards,
where
we
people
are
sort
of
running,
to
stand
still
really
in
a
lot
of
areas,
and
this
is
an
area
of
the
organization
where
I
think
that
pressure
is
felt
considerably
and
and
what
what
this
change
will
do,
even
though,
as
Council
Hayden
said,
it's
not
one
that
we
would.
G
You
know
if
we
had
a
you
know
more
resources.
We
wouldn't
make
this
change.
G
It
is
an
area
where
it
will
mean
that
our
scarce
resources
are
diversity
onto
the
work
of
making
the
planning
applications
move
through
the
system
as
as
as
quickly
as
as
they
can,
as
they
can,
with
the
right
quality
of
person
in
intervention
that
can
take
place
and,
and
so
I
think
it
is
something
that,
although
it
we,
you
know,
it's
a
sort
of
one
of
those
reluctant
things
that
we've
done
I
think
it
is
done
in
good
faith
and
done
with
that
in
mind.
G
I
also
would
support
councilor
Hayden's
point
about
the
the
the
the
online,
the
the
pr,
the
individ,
the
the
way
that
some
some
Behavior
has
slipped
into
very
personalized
comments
about
officers
under
the
residents
at
times,
which
is
something
we
we
then,
as
the
you
know,
as
the
as
the
responsible
Authority
that
holds,
that
website
has
to
take
responsibility
for
so
it
is
an
area
of
of
the
way
we
work
generally
and
the
way
we
interact
with
the
public.
G
That
I
think
is
probably
worth
further
further
discussion
with
with
members
and
others
not
just
in
this
area,
but
more
generally,
because
we
want
to
try
and
engender
openness
and
transparency,
but
with
respect
and
with
the
right,
you
know
without
the
levels
of
abuse
and
other
things
that
have
happened.
You
know
in
in
isolated
circumstances
but
nevertheless,
importantly.
A
D
D
Actually
there
have
been
a
lot
of
value,
it
would
have
landed
better
and
I
think
we
could
have
achieved
the
outcome
that
you're
articulating
in
a
different
way
and
as
a
point
of
principle
I
would
say
we
will
always
be
constructive
when
things
are
brought
to
us.
I'd
prefer
not
to
have
to
make
a
song
and
dance
and
find
a
way
to
wedge
it
into
into
the
exec
board.
It
should
have
been
brought
to
us
and
we
should
have
had
a
discussion.
D
It
should
have
been
to
DPP
and
the
I
think
I
accept
the
issues
that
are
there,
but
I
would
hope
going
forward
that
people
will
take
my
concerns
on
board
and
the
offer
we
work
constructively
to
try
and
help.
You
resolve
the
issues
that
are
there,
but
there's
a
way
of
doing
it
and
I.
Don't
think
this
is,
this
has
been
the
right
way
and
I
hope
people
reflect
on
that.
K
Really
sorry,
leader
I
forgot
to
mention
that
it's
a
six-month
trial
that
this
isn't
set
in
stone
and
I
have
asked,
and
I
personally
asked
councilor
Marshall
katung
to
for
scrutiny
to
go
back
and
when,
when
the
six
months
trial
is
over
to
review
it
to
see
whether
it's
something
that
we
should
carry
on
with
or
not
so
it
will
go.
This
six-month
trial
we'll
go
through
scrutiny
as
well.
A
Thank
you.
That's
really
helpful.
Could
I
turn
to
the
recommendations
on
the
report
that
we
started
on
for
item
11,
please
and
I.
Take
it
that
you've
noted
the
comments
that
have
been
made
and
I've
taken.
The
board
is
happy
with
the
recommendations
in
the
report.
Thank
you
and
we'll
turn
to
councilor
Cooper's
papers.
Please
Knight
and
12.
L
Thank
you,
leader,
and
the
first
item
of
mine
today
for
executive
board
is
the
outturn
of
the
financial
position
of
the
Authority
for
last
year
and
I'd
like
to
start
this
item
by
thanking
Victoria
and
her
team
for
the
Fantastic
work
that
they
have
undertaken
this
year.
L
In
terms
of
the
the
work
on
the
budget
and
I
know,
it's
been
extremely
challenging
with
the
financial
envelope
that
we
have
had
to
work
within
due
to
the
Government
funding
cuts
that
we've
had
to
suffer
as
a
local
Authority,
and
this
year
has
been
the
hardest.
I
think
that
that
I
have
ever
experienced
and
I
know
it's
been
extremely
challenging
for
Victoria
and
the
team
to
try
and
to
make
sure
that
everything
has
been
done
within
that
Financial
envelope.
L
L
L
The
report
does
note
that
we've
got
an
overspend
of
12.4
million,
which
is
a
reduction
of
3.9
million.
When
we
looked
at
month,
11's
position
that
came
to
April's
executive
board.
The
report
does
going
to
real
detail
in
terms
of
each
of
the
directrix
and
where
that'll
spend
occurs,
and
so
I
I
won't
go
in
depth
about
that.
In
my
introductory
remarks,
what
I
would
say
is
that
that
overspend
is
recommended
that
we
address
it
using
a
strategic
contingency
reserve
balances
that
that
we
have
I.
L
Think
just
a
few
things
to
note
really
is
some
of
the
reasons
that
is,
the
budget
has
been
extremely
challenging
and
is
due
to
the
financial
position
that
the
country
finds
itself
in.
So
the
inflationary
pressures
that
we
have
been
working
under,
we
budgeted
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
to
five
percent
to
work
on
a
five
percent
inflationary
and
and
we've
seen
inflation
reach
double
figures
within
the
year
itself.
L
L
That's
to
the
Strategic
reserve.
It
will
hopefully
cover
what
we
needed
to
cover
within
the
year,
but
if
there's
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
cover
them
from
exit
board
members
I'll
leave
it
there
for
now
later.
D
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
yeah.
Thank
you
for
the
the
report
and
introduction
I
think.
Obviously
it's
a
concern,
but
as
someone
trying
to
run
a
business
in
charge
in
times,
I
understand
only
too
well
the
impact
of
cost
pressures
and
I
think
this
is
the
very
definition
of
a
rainy
day.
D
M
Thank
you
as
councilman
knows,
this
is
my
first
board
Executive
Board
in
post
as
well,
so
I
will
try
and
give
you
an
update
as
to
what
I've
been
discussing
with
the
service.
M
So
far,
various
measures
are
being
discussed
around
in-year
measures
to
take
take
the
HRA
overspend
under
control
and
those
are
still
being
discussed
when
nothing
agreed
and
at
this
stage
I'm
not
able
to
give
any
updates,
because
it's
still
being
consulted
upon
with
myself
as
the
executive
member,
but
I
will
write
to
you
as
soon
as
we
have
any
further
information
about
those
measures,
but
they
are
underway.
L
If
I
can
just
answer
that
the
HRA
reserves
will
be
used
to
balance
the
last
year's
figure
from
the
HRA
as
well.
D
Thank
you
and
then
can
we
just
get
an
update
on
the
children
and
families
and
obviously
that's
where
a
big
portion
of
the
the
challenges
coming
from
perfectly
understand
that
a
large
proportion
of
that
is
around
service
demands,
pressures
related
to
cost
of
living
Etc,
but
I'd,
just
like
some
assurances
that
were
that.
D
That
is
not
just
an
excuse
not
to
then
look
at
the
the
director
as
a
whole
and
to
look
at
where
we
can
make
efficiencies
and
because
it's
not
the
first
time,
we've
we've
not
managed
to
keep
the
children
services
budget
under
control.
I
I'm
well
aware
of
a
lot
of
the
work.
That's
that's
going
on,
but
I
think
it's
helpful
to
get
an
update
to
this
board
Victoria.
Please.
N
Thank
you
chair,
as
we've
seen
over
the
last,
especially
over
the
last
12
months,
and
we've
seen
significant
increases
in
The
Children
looked
after
in
both
Education
Health
and
Care
plans,
and
this
is
a
national
issue
and
we
started
recognizing
this
in
the
summer
last
year,
when
we
were
seeing
the
numbers
increasing
significantly,
but
on
the
educational,
Health
and
Care
plans.
N
We
have
seen
nearly
a
2.5
2.5
fold
increase
on
where
we
were
in
2016,
so
our
numbers
are
significant,
but,
as
I've
said,
this
is
a
national
issue
and
myself
and
Julia's
director
of
children's
are
working
really
closely
and
with
other
members
across
the
directorates,
and
there
is
an
improvement
board
that
we've
put
together
in
a
task
and
finish
group
where
we've
got
a
number
of
work
streams
that
are
underway.
N
However,
this
is
a
really
challenging
time
because
we
are
seeing
an
increase
in
the
number
of
looks
after
children
and
that
we
are
looking
after
as
a
as
a
council
and
the
costs
of
where
we're
actually
having
to
place
those
children
is
challenging.
N
But
an
update
report
will
be
coming
to
Executive
Board
in
July,
but
I
would
say
that
we
are
working
across
all
directorates
with
this
with
the
service
to
look
at
how
we
manage
the
position
and
what
we
can
do
and
to
stay
within
the
resources
that
we've
got
available.
E
Yeah
I
just
really
like
to
reiterate
what
Victoria
has
said
in
terms
of
this
being
a
national
issue,
so
I'm
meeting
regularly
with
directors
of
children's
services
right
across
the
country.
You
know
in
terms
of
course,
cities,
Yorkshire
and
humberside,
and
actually
you
know
every
all
of
those
are
being
challenged
at
the
moment,
with
the
increased
demand
and
for
placements
at
the
increased
cost
of
placements.
E
As
Victoria's
said,
error
demand
in
terms
of
children
requiring
An,
Education,
Health
and
Care
plan
has
actually
risen
by
118
since
2016.,
so
I
think
it's
something
that
is,
you
know,
certainly
acknowledged
as
a
national.
You
know
a
national
issue
in
terms
of
really
a
broken
system.
E
However,
having
said
that,
you
know
again,
I
just
want
to
assure
you
cancer
Alam
that
we
are
doing
everything
that
we
possibly
can
and
I.
Think
it's.
You
know
it's
about.
Looking
at
the
Strategic
plans,
you
know
we
really
are
working
differently.
I
think
we've
got
a
different
approach
in
terms
of
cross-directorate
working
in
terms
of
the
delivery
bond,
which
reflects
the
expertise
that
we've
got
across
the
range
of
directorates
within
the
council,
but
actually
it
comes
down
as
well
to
the
Leeds
pound.
E
You
know
so
when
we're
thinking
about
you
know
all
of
those
decisions
being
made
by
practitioners
and
individual
level,
you
know
really
applying
you
know.
The
principles
of
the
local
Authority
in
terms
of
that
Leeds
plant
is
just
as
important
as
it
is
around
us.
Looking
at
the
you
know,
the
Strategic
work
that
Victoria's
just
outlined,
but
there's
an
absolute
commitment.
G
Yeah,
thank
you,
I
think
it's
right
that
it's
flagged
as
a
major
issue
for
us
and
just
to
support
everything.
That's
been
said
in
terms
of
the
challenge:
that's
in
the
system
and
the
focus
that
we
have
on
this,
not
just
within
Children's,
but
I.
Think
corporately.
It's
going
to
be
I!
Think
the
it's
going
to
be
a
recurring
issue
throughout
this
year.
G
I
expect
us
to
be
talking
about
this
executive
bod
each
time
as
every
virtually
every
Council
will
be
I
would
say
from
my
straw
poll
recently
of
my
colleagues:
it's
not
just
DCS
as
it's
Chief,
Executives
and
leaders
who
are
who
are
recognizing
this
challenge
in
the
system.
So
there
is
a
there
is
a
national
dialogue,
that's
open
with
ministers
and
and
that
in
DFE
and
the
treasury,
actually
I
think
and
civil
servants
about
that.
G
I
think
there
is
a
recognition
that
there
is
a
challenge
in
terms
of
Demand
on,
send
and
looked
after
the
challenge.
The
the
the
the
issue
is
is
how
big
is
that
and
how?
Much
of
it
is
just
you
due
to
variation
throughout
the
country
rather
than
an
inherent
problem
in
the
system
and
I.
Think
the
treasury
maybe
used
to
think
that
it
was
about
variation.
I,
think
we
might
just
be
about
convincing
them
now,
but
there
is
active
work
going
on.
G
We've
had
teams
come
up
from
from
London
in
the
treasury
and
in
in
in
D
Lock
to
look
at
what
we're
doing
to
try
and
understand
more
about
these
issues,
but
it
is
about
that
demanding
the
system
and-
and
it's
if
you
like,
the
other
side
of
the
kind
of
where
this
meeting
started
with
all
those
individual
cases
and
the
decisions
that
are
taken
about
those
children
to
keep
them
safe.
G
There
is
a
there
is
a
financial
cost
to
those
decisions
at
times
and
that
feeds
through
cumulatively,
when
you
get
in
into
a
situation
where
the
demand
pressures
are
such
with
covert
with
the
cost
of
living
with,
with
the
work
fast
pressures
that
that
we
and
others
have
where
that
feeds
through.
And
that's
what
we're
seeing
seeing
here.
But
we're
absolutely
focused
on
it
and
it's
right
that
it's
that
it's
been
raised.
L
Yeah,
just
to
sum
upon
on
this
item,
thank
you,
Council,
lamb,
for
raising
your
questions
and
challenge,
as
ever,
quite
rightly,
but
I
hope
that
you've
been
given
some
reassurance
about
the
work
that
we're
undertaking
in
the
authority
to
to
highlight
it
where
it
needs
to
be
National
layers
as
as
you've
heard,
but
also
to
deal
with
some
of
the
office
phones
that
we
are
have
faced,
and
maybe
wealthiest
next
next
year
within
our
Authority
as
well.
L
So
the
working
group
that's
come
together
that
both
Victoria
and
Julie
talked
about.
You
know.
I've
I've
made
some
some
really
significant
benefits
already
I
plan.
To
think
what
way
the
position
we
might
be
in
if
they
hadn't
have
already
been
working
and
identifying
savings
where
they
there,
they
are
possible
and
we'll
continue
to
do
that
as
we
go
forward.
L
While
still,
of
course,
you
know
working
with
our
neighboring
authorities,
who
are
also
you
know,
experiencing
the
same
level
of
demand
and
and
difficulty
with
their
finances
in
their
children's
services
departments
as
well
as
internationally
as
well.
L
But
thank
you
very
much
for
your
questions
on
that
server
relevant.
Thank
you.
A
L
Thank
you
chair
and
the
next
item
again
is
the
treasury
management
outturned
for
last
year.
L
L
The
level
of
debt
has
remained
within
the
authorized
limit
and
the
operational
boundary
is
approved
by
the
council
and
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
the
average
rate
of
interest
paid
on
the
council's
external
debt
has
gone
down
as
well
slightly
from
last
year,
and
it's
been
3.22
again
due
to
some
of
the
excellent
work
undertaken
in
the
financial
department
at
getting
the
right
rates
of
interest
at
the
right
time.
On
some
of
our
borrowing
and
again,
the
remainder
of
the
Marine
house.
D
Thank
you
very
briefly:
I'd
be
the
the
first
to
criticize
as
you'd
expect.
So
it
seems
only
fair
to
say
when
I
think
actually
you're
getting
it
right
and
I
think
the
officers
have
done
a
remarkable
job
on
the
the
interest
rate
being
achieved
in
particular,
I
think
it'll
be
a
challenge
to
keep
it
at
that,
but
In
fairness.
So
you
don't
shout
me
down
too
much
when
I'm
being
critical,
I
will
stick
my
hand
up
and
say
credit
where
it's
due
and
and
a
job
well
done.
A
Thank
you,
Council
Alum
and
I'll
turn
to
the
recommendations
on
page
258.
I'll.
Take
you
the
Border
happy
with
those
so
I
move
on
to
item
14,
please
councilor
Cooper,
which
is
the
gambling
arms.
L
Not
really
they're
just
trying
to
catch
up
with
my
papers
on
my
laptop,
so
this
a
paper
has
come
to
me
as
the
portfolio
holder
for
licensing,
but
it
actually
is
a
shared
paper
between
many
other
areas
within
the
local,
Authority
and
partners
as
well.
L
So
I'd
like
to
start
out
by
thanking
councilor
Harland,
another
communities,
portfolio
for
the
work
that
that's
been
undertaken
in
in
your
portfolio
area
for
the
Financial
inclusion
team
and
the
work
that
that
they
have
undertaken
over
many
years,
I
have
to
say
in
respects
of
reducing
the
harm
that's
caused
by
gambling.
L
So
luckily
I
know
quite
a
bit
about
it
because
it
used
to
be
my
portfolio
area
from
Castle
Holland,
so
I'm
happy
to
be
speak
about
it
and
and
it
shouldn't
go
without
noting
that
I
want
to
pass
on
my
thanks
at
this
time
to
councilor
Barry
Anderson,
who
was
the
former
chair
of
the
environment
and
housing
scrutiny
board,
who
undertook
this
scrutiny,
Bard
work
actually
and
the
report
that's
gone
into.
L
It
and
I
have
to
say,
like
many
others
before
it,
that
councilor
Anderson's
work
on
that
at
scrutiny.
Bard
I
think
that
we
are
indebted
to
a
lot
of
the
work
that's
been
undertaken
in
that
scrutiny
bar
at
this
executive.
Bard
I've
worked
with
him
for
many
years
as
a
as
an
executive
board.
Member
and
and
he's
always
come
forward
with
extremely
good
reports.
He
checks
he
challenges
without
shadow
of
a
doubt,
but
the
work
that
is
undertaken
within
that
board
has
been.
L
You
know,
really
excellent
work,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
know
our
thanks
from
executive
Bob
to
him
today
for
his
previous
work,
and
particularly
on
this
report,
that
I
know
he
had
a
lot
of
input
so
so
that
the
report
has
a
number
of
recommendations
for
the
executive
board
in
response
to
the
scrutiny,
boards
statement
and
recommendations
and
I've
got
to
say,
I,
remember
attending
the
first
gambling
harms
conference
that
we
hadn't
done
looking
at
the
James
Rogers
over
there
as
well,
because
he
was,
and
still
is
the
director
of
that
area
and
and
attended
the
conference
with
me
and
then
again
when
we
launched
the
NHS
Northern
gambling
clinic
and
where
were
the
first
city
in
the
country.
L
To
do
that,
you
know
I
think
we've
achieved
some
fantastic
partnership
work.
We've
achieved
some
really
brilliant
goals
in
the
city
that
has
been
able
to
address
the
harm
caused
through
gambling.
L
I
think
I
really
want
to
highlight
the
council's
work
addressing
that
gambling
harm,
so
thanks
Mary
and
the
team.
Thank
you
also
to
Public,
Health
and
and
the
work
that
they
have
undertaken
as
well
in
this.
This
Arena,
but
I
do
have
to
say
that
our
capacity
to
deal
with
this
is
very
limited
and
much
more
of
the
work
that
we
know
is
needed
is
on
a
national
level,
so
our
influence
we
have
shown
we've
demonstrated
that
where
we
can
work
well,
we've
worked.
L
We've
done
that
and
we've
proved
that,
with
the
with
the
conferences
that
we've
had
with
the
work.
L
That's
done
in
the
in
the
clinic
as
well,
but
I
have
to
say
a
lot
of
the
discussions
and
from
scrutiny
board
were
around
how
the
national
legislation
lets
us
down
and
that
it's
the
national
legislation
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
and
and
lobbied
about,
and
indeed
scrutiny
agreed
about
the
lobbying
of
government
around
that
the
national
legislation
on
on
this
issue,
because
we're
falling
behind
and
the
problem
is
we're
falling
behind
people
suffer,
and
we
do
know
from
the
work
that
we've
undertaken
again
with
some
of
our
partners,
the
university
and
the
survey
that
and
the
work
that
they
did
as
well.
L
L
Do
so
I'm
really
pleased
to
be
able
to
to
present
the
report
to
Executive
Bob
today
and
to
show
the
the
great
work
that's
gone
on
in
this
city
in
terms
of
the
the
work
that's
been
needed
and
again
that
we're
leading
the
way
on
this
and
support
all
the
recommendations
that
have
been
made
and
the
conversations
that
and
the
work
that
scrutiny
have
done
and
that
will
continue
to
carry
out
all
of
that
work.
Going
forward
as
well.
I'm
happy
to
take
questions.
D
D
The
chair
would
have
been
here
to
take
questions
and
I
would
Echo
I
would
Echo
the
the
sentiments
you
expressed
to
if
I
know,
Barry
he's
either
currently
on
a
golf
course
or
tuning
in
so,
if
he's
tuning
out
I,
don't
want
him
to
get
too
big-headed,
but
you're
you're,
absolutely
right
and
he's
done
an
excellent
job
and
I
think
this
paper
highlights
the
value
and
importance
of
scrutiny
and
and
pleased
I
think
we
might
have
some
disagreement
about
the
makeup
of
the
scrutiny
chairs.
D
But
the
fact
that
we're
still
committed
to
opposition
chairmanship
of
scrutiny
is
is
really
important.
Coming
to
the
the
paper
itself,
I
think
the
first
point
I
wanted
to
make
it
it's
really
important
that
we
don't
throw
the
baby
out
with
the
bath
water.
We
recognize
that
there's
a
real
problem
here
that
needs
addressing
300
000
problem
gamblers
in
the
UK
is
a
big
issue,
but
that's
0.5
percent,
and
that
means
99.5
percent
of
people
that
are
enjoying
a
flutter
they're,
contributing
greatly
to
the
economy.
D
It's
a
significant
industry
in
the
city
and
the
country,
and
so
we
have
to
get
the
balance
right.
So
I
think
the
report
is
really
valuable.
Other
recommendations,
we're
well
served
in
Leeds
for
levels
of
support,
I,
think
the
point
of
principle
I'd
put
forward
the
Hope
others
would
is.
There
should
be
much
more
support
for
problem
gamblers.
It
shouldn't
be
for
the
taxpayer
to
fund
it.
It
should
be
for
the
gambling
industry
to
fund
it
and
there's
enough
resource
there
and
I
think
we
could
probably
all
agree
on
that.
D
That
should
be
the
principle
going
forwards
that
you
get
the
support
in
place.
Don't
bring
down
an
important
industry
because
it's,
but
the
owners
need
to
be
on
the
industry
to
step
up
and
put
the
money
in
to
make
sure
those
services
are
there
to
support
people.
O
Yeah,
just
to
Echo,
councilor,
Cooper,
said
and
and
totally
agree.
Councilor
lamb,
I
know
that
as
a
former
chair
of
Licensing,
a
former
chair
of
scrutiny,
that's
that's
the
word
and
also
being
a
member
of
councilor
Anderson's
scrutiny
Bard
for
a
number
of
years.
The
work
that
has
gone
into
this
across
those
working
groups
and
things
has
been
immense.
But,
as
you
say,
you
know,
the
gambling
industry
have
got
a
huge
Parts
player
in
this.
O
O
The
gambling
industry
takes
advantage
of
some
of
these
people,
which
is,
is
absolutely
a
boring.
When
you
see
the
adverts
that
go
on
through
and
target
people
putting
money
into
the
bank
accounts
and
giving
them
discounts
for
this-
and
you
know,
rides
in
Posh
cars
and
this
that
and
the
other,
it's
a
whole
industry
that
needs
looking
at
and
it
needs
to
be
looked
at
quickly
but
you're
right.
It
is
an
industry
that
contributes
an
awful
lot
to
the
economy
and
it's
getting
that
balance
right.
L
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
for
every
everyone's
comments
on
this
and
I.
Think
I
have
to
say
that
it.
The
problem
that
we're
seeing
to
have
is
the
the
kind
of
the
way
the
gambling
industry
has
grown
over
recent
years
with
online
gambling,
and
you
know
people
can
access
it
on
their
smartphones.
L
You
know
it's
it's
within
homes
that
you
know
before
he
used
to
have
to
go
to
The
Bookies.
You
know
if
you
wanted
to
put
a
bet
on
the
horses.
Now
you
don't
have
to
move
from
your
chair.
Where
you
sit
India
to
be
able
to,
you
know,
spend
huge
amounts
of
money
which
is
okay.
L
If
you
don't
have
a
a
problem
with
gambling
and
it's
not
causing
any
any
harm,
I
have
to
say
that's
absolutely
fine
for
for
that
to
happen,
but
I
do
think
that's
why
I
raised
the
point
about
legislation
being
so
outdated
and
that's
why
the
legislation
really
needs
looking
at.
In
terms
of
you
know
the
online
field
and
how
people
now
undertake
that
gambling,
as
opposed
to
how
they
used
to
the
legislation
currently
is,
doesn't
even
consider
the
online
gambling.
L
So
you
know
I
think,
that's
why
we
desperately
need
it
and
that's
why
we
need
to
Lobby
government
on
that
I
think
you're
quite
right
to
point
out
the
that
the
industry
itself
needs
to
take
some
responsibility
here
as
well
and
I.
Think
also.
The
gambling
commission
needs
to
be
involved
in
a
lot
of
this
work
as
well,
and
you
know
should
be
funding.
L
Quite
you
know
some
significant
work
being
Undertake
and
to
reduce
that
harm
to
those
number
of
people
that
you
mentioned
earlier
as
well,
all
of
which
you
know
I
feel
assured
that
we'll
be
continuing
to
do
in
this
city.
On
behalf
of
everybody
concern,
but
thank
you.
A
O
Thank
you
chair,
so
this
is
an
update
on
the
last
locality
working
report
to
exec
Bard
that
was
back
in
March
of
last
year.
We've
had
several
new
developments
since
then,
including
the
youth
service
move
to
the
safer
and
stronger
communities
team
setting
up
new
priority,
World
delivery
group
with
representation
ahead
of
service
and
chief
officer
level,
and
starting
to
develop
the
priority.
World
priority
award
partnership
plans
through
local
World
workshops
in
those
worlds.
O
There
are
several
helpful,
informative
appendices
setting
out
some
of
these
developments
in
more
detail
appendix
one
details.
The
great
examples
of
locality
working.
The
team
have
carried
out
with
those
Partners
across
the
priority
worlds,
and
while
we
do
carry
out
more
intensive
program
of
work
within
those
Master
deprived
worlds,
there
are
great
examples
of
locality
working
across
the
entire
city.
O
We're
keen
that
this
that
what
we
learned
from
joining
up
partners
and
services
in
our
priority
words
was
we
can
use
to
improve
Services
throughout
the
city,
and
this
will
be
a
key
concern
for
us
going
forward.
The
paper
also
asks
for
support
for
the
review
of
the
community
committees,
including
developing
the
role
of
Champions
and
subgroups.
It
sets
out
that
all
99
councilors
will
be
invited
to
take
part
in
workshops
and
the
recommendations
will
go
to
the
community's
environment
and
housing
scrutiny
board.
This
was
first
agreed
when
councilor
Anderson
was
still
chair.
O
Sorry,
the
success
is
a
value
of
summits
and
the
youth
activity
fund,
consultation
and
the
need
to
work
with
chairs
to
improve
engagement
with
residents.
Finally,
appendix
4
shows
the
social
Progress
Index
for
all
Awards
between
2018
and
20,
with
most
Wards,
seeing
it
year-on-year
Improvement
I
think
it's
appropriate
that
this
update
comes
at
the
same
time
as
Council
of
Venice
paper
on
child
poverty.
O
I
have
to
absolutely
agree
with
councilor
venner
that
National
policy
does
impact
on
poverty,
but
we
are
doing
in
Leeds
what
we
can
to
improve
the
lives
of
those
residents
living
in
these
neighborhoods
and
I
too,
am
open
to
listen
to
colleagues
across
other
parties
via
scrutiny
and
otherwise
to
improve
that
even
further.
O
D
Just
a
couple
of
Point
points
on
the
report.
The
the
social
progress
in
index
I
really
like
I-
think
that's
a
really
powerful
addition
to
the
toolbox
that
we've
got
so
I.
Welcome.
That
I
said
this
is
about
locality
working
in
priority
Wards.
D
It's
absolutely
right
that
we
focus
resources
and
efforts
on
the
areas
where
the
concentration
of
deprivation
and
poverty
are
the
most
but
and
I.
The
question
won't
surprise
you
or
the
comment
that
it's
crucial:
that
we
don't
ignore,
that
there
are
pockets
of
deprivation
in
every
part
of
the
city
and
in
a
lot
of
cases,
a
lot
harder
for
people
in
those
circumstances,
because
they
don't
have
concentrated
resource
and
support,
and
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
we
find
ways
actually
I.
D
Think
the
review
of
community
committees
is
an
opportunity
and
what
I
hope
you
you
could
tell
us-
is
you're
open
to
looking
at
delegating
further
responsibilities
to
community
committees
and
doing
more
locally,
because
I
think
actually
the
more
we
can
make
decisions
as
close
to
people
that
they
affect
us
possible.
The
better,
and
so
that's
something
I
hope.
There's
an
opportunity
to
do
through
this
review.
O
I
can
absolutely
assure
you
that
there's
nothing
off
the
table.
We
are
hoping
to
be
involved
with
as
many
members
across
the
political
divide.
We
hope
as
many
of
the
99
that
are
invited,
do
attend
and
come
along.
It's
vital
that
we
get
this
right
on
the
back
of
the
peer
review
that
we
had
the
LGA
peer
review.
P
Yeah
thanks
Council
Harland,
Paul
money,
chief
officer
and
safer,
stronger
communities,
team,
I,
I
think
all
I
could
really
do.
Council
member
is
just
Echo.
P
What's
been
said
there
in
terms
of
Our
intention
in
terms
of
supporting
this
review
and,
and
indeed
some
of
the
other
work
that's
alluded
to
in
the
paper,
we
would
do
that
in
as
open
in
a
transparent
and
as
an
engaging
way
as
we
possibly
can
recognizing
that
there's
there's
a
lot
of
feedback,
knowledge
and
expertise
that
we
need
to
pick
up
in
terms
of
taking
this
review
forward.
So
that
would
be
my
Assurance
at
this
point.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
with
that
I'll
turn
to
the
recommendations
on
page
299
and
see
the
board
are
happy
with
those
recommendations.
So
we
move
on
to
the
last
item
of
the
day.
Councilor
Hayden,
please
and
item
16.
K
Thank
you
leader.
This
is
the
paper
regarding
the
transfer,
9
route,
upgrade
transport
and
works
at
order.
K
So
this
follows
on
from
the
integrated
rail
plan
for
the
North
and
Midlands,
which
was
published
in
November
2021,
which
I'm
not
going
to
go
into,
but
it
did
include
one
of
the
only
thing
it
included
was
the
transfer
9
route
upgrade.
So
since
then,
work
has
been
going
on
to
improve
Railway
improvements
between
Manchester,
Huddersfield,
Leeds
and
York.
K
So
many
of
the
works
in
the
leader
boundaries
will
take
place
within
the
railway
owned
land
using
network
rails,
permitted
development
rights,
for
example,
the
stage
fully
accessible
station
at
Morley,
replacing
the
old
one.
All
these
Works
were
done
within
the
railway
boundary.
However,
there
are
several
elements
that
fall
outside
the
railway
boundary
and
hence
the
need
for
this
report
and
our
response
to
it.
K
In
order
to
deliver
the
elements
of
the
scheme
outside
the
railway
boundary,
Network
rail
are
submitting
their
transport
and
works
at
order
to
the
Secretary
of
State
of
transport,
to
seek
permission
to
construct
components
of
the
transpennine
route.
Upgrade
east
of
Leeds,
which
extends
from
kurgate
which
to
all
to
all
of
us
well
certainly
for
me,
is
in
the
center
of
Leeds
to
micklefield,
which
is
in
the
land
of
milk
and
honey.
So
to
the
east
of
Leeds
Colgate,
run
through
to
micklefield
several
transparent
route.
K
Upgrade
Works
have
been
put
forward
by
Network
rail,
including
the
closure
of
five
level
Crossings
and
work
to
12
Bridges,
so
12
Bridges
will
be
impacting
different
ways
and
electrification
and
Associated
cabinets
throughout
within
the
Leeds
boundaries.
The
Works
include
electrification
of
the
existing
Railway
line.
There
are
no
new
tracks
proposed
within
the
Leeds
boundaries,
and
this
order
enables
a
network
rail
to
compulsory
acquire
land
and
to
take
responsibility
for
a
number
of
Highways
and
planning
powers.
K
So
I
present
the
poet
it's
quite
technical
paper
and
consultation-
has
happened
from
Network
rail,
with
various
counselors
in
the
world's
affected
over
the
last
few
months
and
so
I'll
leave
it
there
chair.
Thank
you.
A
D
You
chair
you'll,
be
glad
to
ask
one
quick
question:
it
is
a
very
technical
paper
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
disruption
as
a
result
of
this
the
question
and
for
a
long
period
of
time,
the
question
is
around
how
we
can
ensure
this
is
mitigated
communicated
effectively
and
that
we've
considered
the
knock-ons
to
various
routes
and
various
communities,
because
there's
a
habit
with
these
things,
I
know
it's
Network
rail,
doing
the
consultation
they'll
consult
with
the
communities
that
are
it's
going
to
go
through,
but
there'll
be
lots
of
roads
that
are
suddenly
going
to
be
in
other
areas
and
have
they
been
consulted
and
involved
and
engaged
as
well.
D
Q
Q
But
there
are
in
terms
of
the
powers
that
are
being
sought.
In
our
view,
it
would
lead
to
impact
on
the
highway
how
the
works
are
done,
impact
on
the
amount
of
influence
that
would
have
as
a
plumbing
Authority.
So
with
the
approval
of
executive
board.
A
Thank
you
and
with
that
I'll
turn
to
the
recommendations
just
before
that
I'll
say
as
a
ward
member
for
micklefield
certainly
recommend
certainly
support
the
Council
as
we're
in
the
middle
of
the
ashes
going
into
battle
for
us
in
terms
of
where
Network
rail
want
to
close
the
level
crossing
and
several
public
right-of-way
asking
for
a
bridge
asking
for
a
bridge.
A
There
there's
a
lot
of
Housing
and
potential
industrial
commercial
development
in
that
area,
and
we
think
that
that
should
be
taking
account
rather
than
a
pedestrian
count
on
things
have
happened
in
the
past
so
with
that
I'll
shall
turn
to
the
recommendations
on
page
355
and
I.
Take
the
board
happy
with
those
that's
great
and
at
that
point
I'll
close
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
Everybody.