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A
Okay,
good
afternoon
everybody
and
welcome
to
the
september
meeting
of
leeds
city
council
executive
board.
We
are
being
webcast
today,
but
the
camera
technology
isn't
quite
working
to
the
level
that
it
can
zoom
in
on
our
faces
when
we're
speaking.
As
it's
already
been
pointed
out,
that's
probably
a
benefit
to
the
watching
public
rather
than
a
problem,
so
people
still
be
able
to
see
the
room
hear
what's
being
said
and
see.
Who
is
speaking
so
with
that?
A
With
that,
I
will
start
the
meeting
with
the
at
the
agenda
item.
One
please
and
appeals
against
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents.
B
I
think
we're
on
now
there.
Thank
you,
chair
appeals
to
confirm
chair
there'd,
be
no
appeals
received
ahead
of
today's
meeting.
A
Thank
you
and
are
there
any
exempt
information?
Please.
B
B
Thanks
chair
late
items,
no
formal
alert
items
of
business
to
consider
today,
however,
regarding
agenda
items,
nine
and
ten
on
proposals
to
increase
learning
places.
A
A
Take
it
there
aren't
I'll
move
on
to
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
in
the
21st
of
july.
Is
everybody
happy
with
the
minutes
of
those
minutes
from
that
meeting?
A
Yes
great,
I
shall
move
on
to
item
six
and
councillor
harlan.
Please.
D
Thank
you
leader.
Thank
you.
This
paper
is
an
update
on
leeds
listening
project,
which
was
due
to
come
last
year,
but
was
postponed
and
deferred
due
to
the
pandemic.
D
It
saw
a
total
of
112
focus
groups
set
up
with
women
from
various
parts
of
the
city
and
from
varied
background,
including
our
own
workforce,
and
was
facilitated
in
the
maine
by
women's
lives.
Leads
many
topics
were
discussed,
but
10
key
themes
were
identified,
as
listed
in
the
report,
and
forums
had
open
agendas
and
set
by
those
present.
D
Some
have
continued
to
meet.
New
community
groups
have
been
set
up
on
the
back
of
these
forum
meetings.
Many
of
those
that
attended
said
that
it
was
this
project
that
gave
them
the
confidence
to
do
just
that.
There's
been
many
positive
outcomes
from
this
project.
Women
from
varied
backgrounds
found
that
they
had
many
similarities
in
experiences
and
issues
affecting
them,
which
was
unexpected.
D
Some
really
good
outcomes
have
come
and
lead
city
council
officers
continue
to
work
with
women's
lives
leads
and
work
is
in
going
with
the
mayor's
office
on
the
agenda
for
reduction
of
violence
against
women
and
girls,
and
I
believe
initial
conversations
have
taken
place
with
alison
law.
Deputy
mayor
with
responsibility
for
public
policing
crime
officers
will
also
be
involved
in
the
working
group
being
set
up
by
councillor
cooper
to
address
this
issue.
D
Each
of
the
recommendations
will
be
monitored
to
ensure
work
process
and
the
leads
listening
project
will
continue
to
feed
into
wider
programs
of
work,
such
as
the
period
poverty,
there's
joint
work
between
communities
and
children's
going
on,
as
I've
said,
the
end
in
violence
against
women
and
girls,
the
city
center,
violence
against
women
and
girls,
thematic
working
group,
which
is
being
led
by
councillor
garthware
and
many
others.
D
The
listening
project
will
continue
to
feed
into
those
such
wider
programs,
as
I've
just
mentioned,
and
it's
ongoing
to
ensure
that
the
voice
of
women
in
leeds
is
heard
all
in
all.
I
believe
this
to
be
a
very
positive
report
and
support
the
recommendations,
as
laid
out
in
the
report.
Thank
you
check.
E
There
we
go
well,
I
think,
obviously
very
a
positive
step
forward,
but
and
obviously
being
well
received
by
the
groups
of
people.
Who've
been
engaged,
there's
two
issues
I
want
to
raise.
There's
no
particular
mention
here
of
the
women
in
the
holbeck
area.
That
was
the
managed
area.
That's
now
been
scrapped.
E
What
are
we
doing
to
engage
them?
What's
the
update
on
that
that
they
were
promised
that
we
were
promised
some
time
ago,
and
the
other
thing
is
that
it
mentioned
the
city
center
violence
against
women?
E
What
what
about
in
pudsey
we've
had
a
particular
problem
of
knife
crime
recently,
and
that
seems
to
be
on
young
men
when
I
say
young
men
I'm
talking
about
certainly
under
18
young
men
who
are
quite
clearly
vulnerable,
and
what
are
we
doing
to
address
that
because
it
actually
runs
over
in
the
cases
input
young
men
and
women.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
I
can't
answer
the
one
about
the
the
young
men's
knife
crime,
but
I
can
certainly
get
an
answer
for
you
about
that,
but
as
as
far
as
the
managed
approach,
which
I
think
you're
referring
to
the
women's
groups
that
look
after
those
such
as
basis
were
involved,
so
such
groups
as
bases
were
involved
right
across
the
piece
and
continue
to
be
so.
F
One
of
the
things
that
I
was
frustrated
with,
though
in
the
paper
is
that
there
weren't
any
specific
recommendations
or
interventions
that
were
identified
as
a
result
of
those
conversations
which
had
been
had,
but
I'm
encouraged
through
the
conversations
had
at
the
briefing
that
such
actions
can
be
measured
through
the
equality
champions
group
on
the
council
before
we
get
a
more
annual
review
of
the
support
later
on.
So
I
look
forward
to
receiving
the
information
from
the
different
council
departments
on
their
response
to
this
valuable
work.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Are
there
any
more
comments
on
this
paper
brilliant?
So
I
turn
to
the
recommendations
on
page
23
and
I
see
everybody
is
happy
with
those
recommendations.
Thank
you,
council,
holland,
and
move
on
to
council
prayer
in
your
papers.
Please
thank
you,
leader,.
G
So
my
first
paper
is
on
future
trends
and
opportunities
in
our
city
and
local
centers,
so
as
part
of
our
economic
recovery
framework,
there's
a
clear
need
to
undertake
further
work
to
fully
understand
the
impact
of
covid
on
our
local
centers
and
on
the
city
center.
Look,
it's
basically
looking
at
which
changes
will
be
long
term
and
which
would
be
transitional.
G
I
do
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
each
local
center
just
have
their
own
circumstances
relating
to
their
their
vitality
and
viability,
and
they
can't
be
treated
as
one
homogenous
item,
but
equally,
I
think
it's
important
to
to
note
that
this
paper
is
setting
out
the
initial
steps.
I
think
recovery
is
going
to
take
time
and
obviously
the
landscape
is
still
moving.
I
will
leave
it
there
for
opening
remarks.
E
Yeah
I'm
glad
councillor
pryor
picked
up
the
individuality
because
it
saved
me
asking
the
question.
One
of
the
big
assets
that
leads
as
a
city
has
is
that
we
have
a
number
of
local
government-
centers,
sorry
local
district
centers,
all
of
which,
all
of
which
have
had
problems
through
covid,
as
everybody
has,
and
it's
important
that
we
stress
that
there
are
funding
streams
available
and
that
leads
will
bid
for
them.
E
E
I
subject
raised
an
issue,
a
relatively
small
issue
actually
some
time
ago
about
a
government
fund
for
changing
places,
toilet
facilities,
and
I
got
a
strange
response,
which
was
we
think
we've
got
enough.
Well,
I
I
don't
think
disabled
people
think
there
are
enough
changing
places,
toilet
facilities
around
around
the
city
and
it's
outer
districts.
E
So
it's
a
small
example
of
where
the
council
just
said.
Well,
we've
with
enough
well
I'd
like
to
know
where
they
all
are
then,
and
I'm
sure
all
the
disabled.
People
who
live
in
leeds
would
particularly
like
to
know
where
they
are
and
why
we
saw
fit
not
to
send
in
a
bid.
So
I
hope
to
link
that
to
this
the
much
more
comprehensive
pots
of
money
that
are
available
are
going
to
be
available.
A
Thank
you
for
certainly
representing
a
an
outer
area
with
a
number
of
district
centers
and
it's
been
clear,
there's
been
a
huge
amount
of
changes
over
the
period
of
the
pandemic,
some
of
them,
some
of
them
full
of
good
as
people
are
shopping
more
in
local
areas
and
and
certainly
in
kepler's,
we've
seen
new
retailers
moving
in
the
last
18
months,
and
so
are
some
positive
trends
there
and
quite
clearly,
as
you
identify
council
carter,
the
government,
rather
than
increasing
our
budget,
are
going
to
give
us
lots
of
opportunities
to
bid
for
funding
we'll.
A
Hopefully,
by
taking
this
paper
forward,
we
will
have
a
strategy
that
makes
it
clear.
We've
got
a
framework
for
these
bids
and
their
overall
approach
will
demonstrate
them
that
their
success
quite
clearly
we're
working
on
the
town
deal
in
molly,
which
was
allocated
rather
than
bid
for
places
like
kypics
and
council
dalton's
ward
weren't,
even
we
weren't
even
able
to
bid
for
it.
So
it's
putting
this
document
in
place
hopefully
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
to
take
any
future
bids
forwards
and
align
it
with
make
it
very
clear.
A
B
You
so
I'm
slightly
distracted
because
pat
texted
me
to
say
she
can't
she's
trying
to
watch
the
meeting
and
can't
find
the
link.
So
that's
that's
why
I
said,
but
I
wanted
to
respond
about
changing
places,
but
I
only
have
part
of
what
you
said.
So
we
have
more
changing
places
to
us
than
any
other
local
authority
we're
top
of
the
list.
We
have
40
something
now
my
understanding
is.
B
We
were
putting
in
a
bid
for
one
additional
one
out
of
this
funding,
which
is
it
was
to
be
at
kirkstel
abbey,
which
is
not
because
it
is
my
ward
but
funniest
declared
interest,
but
I
think
it's
really
unlikely
we'll
get
we'll
get
any
of
the
money,
because
we've
got
more
than
anybody
else
in
the
top
of
the
league
table,
but
my
understanding
is,
we
have
put
in
a
bit
of
an
additional
one.
E
We're
also
geographically
bigger
than
most
other
cities
in
the
uk.
So
a
somewhat
spurious
statistic
that
counselor
is
throwing
at
me
and
I
what
disabled
people
tell
me
disabled
people
who
contacted
me
about
the
fire
raising.
A
I
think
we
could
certainly
provide
a
written
update
on
our
bid,
for
this,
and
and
certainly
for
our
former
colleague
lucinda
eden
when
she
was
on
the
council,
was
a
big
champion
of
changing
place.
Toilets
certainly
can
provide
a
update,
I
mean
looking
at
the
size
and
scale
of
leads.
We
could
probably
spend
the
30
million
available
nationally
in
leeds
alone,
and
I
think
it
recognizes.
First
of
all,
we've
got
that
ambition
to
bid
and
we'll
bring
the
information
forward
about
what
we
are
doing
around
that
council
galton.
F
Oh
thanks
chair
the
problem
with
widening
the
discussion
is
that
it
just
means
what
I
say
lasts
a
bit
longer
changing
places.
F
And
I
do
think
there
needs
to
be
some
point
in
the
council
where
we
can
bring
this
kind
of
sticky
situation
to
some
accountability.
Where,
if
we've
got
assurances
from
the
private
sector
they're
going
to
be
delivering
something,
then
they
should
be
be
able
to
be
held
to
account
at
some
point.
In
this
council
structure,
I'm
not
sure
what
it
is,
but
it
comes
back
to
this
paper.
This
paper
is
very
well
written.
F
It
is
very
well
researched,
it's
very
well
informed,
but
it's
a
little
bit
detached
and
I
was
looking
for
interventions
and
changes
of
policy.
That
would
make
a
difference,
and
it's
not
there
really.
It
recognizes
the
value
of
certain
things
and
I
would
challenge
councillor
pryor
to
work
more
closely
with
his
colleagues
to
ensure
that
everybody
is
on
the
same
page
in
terms
of
what
they
want
to
achieve
in
our
town
and
district
centers.
It
talks
very
much
in
there
about,
for
instance,
capitalizing
on
the
year
of
culture
in
2023.
F
Well,
I
can
think
of
several
things
that
I'd
like
to
see
in
my
world
which
are
going
to
be
undermined,
particularly
by
the
council's
disposal
of
its
assets,
which
reside
in
our
town
and
district
centers,
which
could
actually
be
of
real
valuable
community
use.
It
talks
about
the
voice
of
young
people
in
terms
of
what
they
want
to
access
in
their
town
centres.
F
We've
just
had
our
youth
centre,
which
is
based
in
our
town
center,
shut
down
by
the
council,
because
it
can't
afford
the
rent
or
the
rates,
but
there
was
no
discussion
there
with
young
people
about
how
they
wanted
their
town
centre
to
develop
and
evolve.
I
really
do
think
that
if
we
are
going
to
utilize
the
expertise
which
has
gone
into
this
kind
of
report,
we
need
to
also
deliver
the
convening
which
is
promised
within
it
for
that
discussion
to
take
place.
F
I
appreciate
that
this
emphasizes
that
there
are
60
districts
and
local
centres
in
leeds.
That
is
a
lot
and
there
is
not
enough
office
of
time
to
offer
to
that
from
the
development
department.
For
instance.
However,
we
do
have
a
community
section
which
is
supposed
to
be
all
about
developing
and
enhancing
community
capacity
and
town
centres
are
culturally
resonant
as
well
as
economically
resonant.
F
If
we
are
serious
about
delivering
cultural
hubs
in
our
town
centres,
but
also
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we
can
have
a
conversation
based
on
the
principles
which
are
in
this
report
in
each
of
those
communities-
and
I
think
that
conversation
is
best
started
through
the
community's
team.
Thanks
chair.
G
I
think,
without
kind
of
so
early
in
exec
board
getting
into
arguments
of
council
cuts
and
how
much
money
we've
had
removed
kind
of
our
capacity
to
do
much
of
the
work
that
is
detailed
in
this
report
is
hugely
dependent
on
access
to
certain
parts
and
certain
funds
from
central
government
council
carter
mentioned
that
the
leveling
up
fund.
We
have
the
community
renewal
fund.
We
are
relying
on
a
lot
of
these
ones
to
deliver
a
lot
of
these
work.
G
So
I
I
think
there
is
a
I'll,
be
generous
and
I
think,
there's
some
confusion
between
kind
of
what
this
paper
paper's
talking
about
and
kind
of
wider
issues
with
the
council,
but
we
are
pushing
ahead
with
a
lot
of
these
things.
When
you
talk
about
2023,
you
know
that's
not
just
about
culture,
it's
also
about
employment.
G
It's
about
new
jobs
in
the
economy,
it's
about
kind
of
that
additional
extra
money
into
the
the
visitor
economy
of
leeds,
and
I
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying
about
sales
in
your
ward,
but
the
council's
financial
position
forces
our
hand
on
a
lot
of
these
things
and
I'll
leave
with
that.
A
Thank
you,
I
think
you've
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
There
counts
the
prayer.
Obviously
the
imposition
of
austerity
which
we
all
remember
started
under
the
liberal
democrat
government
when
the
liberal
democrats
are
in
government-
and
I
think
I
will
check
the
figures,
but
I
think
two-thirds
of
our
budget
reduction
happened
whilst
under
the
coalition
under
the
coalition
government,
certainly
influences
everything
we
do
as
a
council.
A
Sadly-
and
that
doesn't
mean
we
don't
have
the
ambition
set
out
in
this
paper
to
take
things
forward,
but
obviously
tying
in
the
resources
to
that
and
looking
as
councillor
carter's
referred
to
making
sure
we're
able
to
successfully
bid
into
money.
That's
put
in
place
of
sustainable,
long-term
local
government
funding
is
going
to
be
a
big
part
of
that.
A
G
Thank
you.
So
this
case
relates
to
a
family
who
asked
to
defer
the
entry
of
their
summer
born
child
and
then
to
reception.
A
year
later,
they
were
turned
down
in
accordance
with
the
admission
code,
but
then
the
family
subsequently
chose
to
delay
the
start
date,
as
is
their
legal
right
and
later
had
this
request.
G
G
F
B
That
we
had
were
reviewed
and
all
anything
that
needed
to
be
recognized
has
been
captured.
B
E
A
G
Thank
you.
So
this
is
the
outcome
of
statutory
notice
on
a
proposal
to
permanently
increase
learning
places
at
st
edwards
catholic
primary
school.
This
is
an
outstanding
school.
That's
consistently
oversubscribed.
It
is
increasing
the
number
of
places
from
20
to
30
and
actually
has
already
been
taking
some
additional
temporary
places.
G
As
there
were
some
objections
to
this
expansion,
an
additional
meeting
of
the
children
and
family
scrutiny
board
was
held
to
discuss
these
objections
and
the
recommendations
from
scrutiny
appear
in
appendix
b.
These
include
ensuring
that
a
comprehensive
travel,
transport
and
highways
plan
is
produced
to
address
the
cumulative
impact
of
traffic
issues.
I
am
happy
to
accept
all
of
scrutiny's
recommendations,
but
specifically
in
regard
to
the
first
recommendation,
around
exec
board
remembers
having
full
access
to
a
consultation,
as
opposed
to
just
a
summary.
G
I
think
this
is
probably
best
done
through
backgrounds
documents,
background
documents
alongside
the
agenda
as
a
document
that
the
author
has
replied
or
relied
upon
when
compiling
the
report,
so
this
wouldn't
form
part
of
the
agenda
pack,
but
would
be
further
reading
for
exact
board
members.
Should
they
wish
I'm
happy
to
say,
comment
on
this
or,
of
course,
any
element
of
the
report?
E
G
E
Please
it's
it's
on
the
highways
issues
which
you
would
imagine
it
would
be.
I
understand
my
my
colleagues
in
the
ward
have
been
meeting
with
residents
this
week
on
the
issues
most
of
the
issues
raised
of
concern
about
the
expansion
relate
to
access
issues,
so
I'm
pleased
to
hear
that
councillor
pryor
has
committed
himself
to
taking
on
board
the
scrutiny
board's
recommendations.
E
The
one
question
I
would
have-
and
it
rolls
over
into
the
next
item-
is
that
too
often
in
these
processes,
the
ward
members
on
all
sides
are
given
assurances
about
what
highways
improvements
will
be
made,
but
they
don't
happen
or
they
happen
well,
after
the
event
when
the
problem
has
become
worse-
and
I
would
like
assurances
on
both
this
item
and
the
next
item,
but
that's
not
gonna
be
the
case.
We
are
taking
these
concerns
seriously
and
we're
actually
gonna
do
something
about
them.
A
G
Thank
you.
This
is
to
permanently
permanently
expand.
Allerton
high's,
pan
from
220
to
280,
with
effect
from
september
2022.
alton
high,
is
an
outstanding
school
that
is
regularly
oversubscribed
with
an
increase
in
the
population
of
children
in
the
surrounding
primary
schools.
E
Without
repeating
myself
to
say
that
they're,
absolutely
the
same
issues
pertain
and
so
a
commitment
that
the
ward
members,
who
actually
will
be
a
number
of
ward
members,
are
properly
consulted
on
the
traffic
issues
being
dealt
with
and
we've
had
that
assurance
on
the
first
school.
So
now
I
presume
we
get
it
on
the
second
okay.
Thank
you.
A
Are
you
happy
formally
move?
Okay,
all
right
do.
Do
we
have
anybody,
everybody
happy
with
those
recommendations
see
everybody
is
that's
great
and
we
move
on
to
the
next
item.
Item
11,
which
is
the
which
is
my
portfolio,
and
it's
the
regular
update
on
the
coronavirus
pandemic.
I'm
relieved
to
see
that,
since
the
paper
has
been
published,
our
infection
rate
is
is
lower,
it's
down
to
290,
which
is
still
high.
A
I
recognize
that,
but
it's
moving
in
the
right
direction
and
the
number
of
people
in
hospital
is
now
under
with
code
is
now
under
100.
Again,
that's
still
high,
but
progress
in
the
on
progress
in
the
direction
we
want
to
see.
We
know
within
the
paper
there's
still
pressure
on
the
health
and
social
care
system
that
will
continue
to
show
for
some
some
time.
A
The
paper
also
reflects
the
economic
recovery
position
as
well
and
updates
executive
board
on
on
the
government
announcement
of
their
winter
plan
of
plan
a
and
plan
b.
So
we
are
hopefully
clear
about
what
about
what
the
future
holds
in
terms
of
the
government's
approach
to
the
pandemic,
and
certainly
that
clarity
is
is
very
helpful.
I
will
ask
councillor
arif
just
to
make
a
couple
of
comments
about
the
vaccination
program.
Please
and
I'll
open
it
to
the
board.
B
I
just
need
a
bit
of
tlc
thank
you
leader
and,
just
just
to
say,
really.
The
vaccine
roll
out
continues
at
good
pace
in
terms
of
numbers.
We've
had
over
559
people
who
had
their
first
vaccination.
That
equates
to
about
76
percent
of
our
residents
that
are
gp
registered
combined.
That
with
the
second
doses
again
doing
very
well
with
that.
B
We've
got
five
over
522
000
people
that
quit
so
about
71
of
the
population
that
have
had
their
second
doses
and,
and
it's
just
ensuring
that
we
keep
up
with
that
message
about
the
vaccination.
So
it's
it's
it's
going
at
a
good
pace.
Thank
you.
E
Points
really
good.
Is
there
any
more
clarity
about
particular
areas
where
we're
concerned
about
the
vaccination
levels.
E
The
first
vaccination
second
vaccination
figures
are
across
the
city
and
I
appreciate
that's
very
helpful
and
very
good,
but
it
doesn't
in
fact
tell
you
what
you
need
to
know.
What
you
need
to
know
is
other
particular
areas
where
the
vaccination
levels
are
stubbornly
low
and
if
so,
what
more?
We
can
do
to
improve
that
situation?
E
It
would
be
very
foolish
to
believe.
I
don't
think
we
do
for
a
minute
that
coronavirus
has
departed.
I
think
we
are
all
accepted
that
we're
going
to
be
living
with
its
effects
for
some
considerable
time,
but
my
other
point
is
is
not
to
do
with
the
virus,
but
the
economic
recovery
and
the
recovery
of
council
services.
E
I
would
like
to
have
some
reassurance
that
management
teams
in
all
our
council
departments
are
now
meeting
face
and
not
with
some
people
remote
and
some
people,
not
unless,
of
course,
it's
because
of
illness,
which
I
entirely
accept,
because
I
think,
as
you
will
be
aware,
I
wasn't
at
the
council
meeting
last
wednesday
because
my
son
had
coronavirus,
so
I
do
appreciate
the
difficulties
that
people
have,
but
I
would
like
some
reassurance
that,
certainly
at
strategic
management
level
in
every
department,
senior
officers
are
meeting
to
implement
the
recovery
plans
that
each
department
should
have
in
place
because
you're
all
well
aware-
and
there
are
good
reasons
in
many
cases.
E
Why?
But
not
such
good
reasons.
In
other
cases,
the
council
services
that
people
expect
on
a
daily
basis
are
not
being
delivered,
as
any
of
us
would
like
in
certain
instances
and,
as
I
say,
some
of
it's
beyond
our
control
other
parts
of
it
certainly
shouldn't
be
so.
I
would
like
some
reassurance
on
that.
Please.
A
B
In
and
then
don,
if
you
want
to
add
to
that
council
carter
you're
right,
there
are
parts
of
our
communities
or
areas
in
across
leeds
where
the
vaccine
uptake
is
is
lower
than
where
we
want
it
to
be,
and
from
my
perspective,
obviously
that's
something
we
are
certainly
keeping
an
eye
out
and
we
we
look
at
the
numbers
and
we
are
very
data-driven
counselor
carter
and
I
think
what
we've
done
really
well
in
leeds
is
having
the
roving
buses
following
that
particular
data,
and
you
know
the
take-ups
being
really
good
with
that.
B
Only
yesterday
I
was
in
brad
bramley,
where
we
had
a
pop-up
vaccination,
where
we
recognized
perhaps
that
the
update
was
low
parts
of
the
inner
city
area,
perhaps
with
cultural
issues
in
relation
to
the
vaccine
and
again
coming
back
to
my
world
of
kitchen
hair
hills.
Every
week,
we've
got
two
clinics
on
a
wednesday
and
friday
and
we've
got
people
queuing
outside.
So
you
know
we're
doing
from
our
perspective.
B
The
key
for
me
really
is
that
we
ensure
that
we
take
the
vaccine
to
our
communities,
because
there
may
well
be
barriers
for
people
to
come
into
ellen
road,
but
I
think
we're
doing
some
really
important
work
on
that,
and
we
continue
to
do
that
and
we're
not
taking
the
the
eye
off
the
ball,
and
it's
just
a
work
that
that
will
continue
to
to
carry
on
yeah.
So
I
think,
I'm
quite
confident
in
how
we're
approaching
that
and
the
numbers
and
the
gap
is,
is
getting
better
as
we
go
on,
but
dawn.
A
Thank
you
and
tom.
Do
you
want
to
pick
up
the
service
issue
and
anything
else.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I
I
think,
as
we
move
into
september,
we're
seeing
the
face-to-face
meetings
resuming
and
people
returning
to
the
office
in
greater
numbers,
and
we
are
absolutely
focused
on
the
recovery
plan.
I
think
now
that
schools
are
back,
that
will
probably
people
will
start
to
feel
an
impact
on
those
frontline
services
that
you've
you've
referred
to
councillor
carter.
C
Obviously
we
are
going
to
still
take
advantage
of
the
fact
that
if
somebody
is
ill
or
you
know
can't
make
it
to
a
meeting,
we
will
have
hybrid
meeting.
You
know
arrangements
in
place,
so
that
would
be
the
obvious
thing
to
do
and
I
think
more
generally,
we
are
working
very
closely
with
all
teams
and
all
services
across
the
council
to
to
get
to
the
new
way
of
working
which
we
all,
I
think
you
are
anticipating,
which
will
be.
You
know,
probably
around
half
of
the
time.
C
I
think
people
will
be
in
the
office
around
half
they
will
be
out
and
about
delivering
services
or
working
from
remote
in
a
remote
way.
But
what
we
want
is
something
that
is
works
for
the
council
taxpayer
and
works
the
most
of
it
in
the
most
efficient
way
possible.
I
also
wanted
to
just
make
a
so
I
I
to
answer
your
question.
Yes,
that
is
that
recovery
is
happening
and
those
meetings
are
happening.
C
The
the
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
mention
was
the
the
wider
health
pressures
that
the
leader
referred
to.
I
was
involved
in
a
national
meeting
with
the
secretary
of
state
this
week
and
I
think
there
is
a
direct
link
between
the
recovery
of
elective
services
and
the
pressure.
That's
on
the
health
service,
more
generally
and
on
the
social
care
system.
More
generally,
and
I
think
the
biggest
challenge
for
us
all
as
a
system
is
other
workforce
pressures
and
the
particular
pressures
in
certain
parts
of
the
workforce.
C
That
home
care,
for
example,
is
one,
and
there
are
many
others
in
the
on
the
nhs
side.
Hgv
drivers
is
another
one
that
people
are
well
aware
of,
so
that
there
are
just
as
the
the
prime
minister
said,
it
will
be.
You
know
this
will
not
be
easy
and
we
are.
The
pandemic
has
not
just
disappeared
as
councillor
carter
said,
the
recovery
is
going
to
be
tough
and
people
are
tired
after
the
pandemic,
and
you
know
we
thank
everybody.
C
Who's
been
involved
in
helping
so
far,
but
this
winter
is
gonna,
be
this
ottoman
winter
is
gonna,
be
challenging,
and
I
don't
expect
a
linear
recovery
to
take
place.
There
will
be
some
bumps
along
the
way,
but
we
are
definitely
getting
back
on
track
and
that
will
that
will
continue
we'll
be
doing
everything
we
can
to
deliver
the
recovery
plan
that
executive
borders
has
agreed.
E
Look
at
the
problem
without
speaking
to
anybody
and
give
elected
members
a
sensible
answer.
Now,
I'm
not
going
to
embarrass
the
chief
executive
by
relating
a
particular
story
of
mine
which
he's
already
aware
of,
but
I
would
like
to
know
that,
where
staff
can
safely
visit
something
in
an
individual
ward,
they
are
unable
to
do
so
because
to
me
I
can't
see
how
coving,
in
all
its
horrible
implications,
can
stop
somebody
going
on
their
own
to
look
at
a
problem.
C
Yeah,
I
don't
know
whether
martin
might
want
to
comment
as
well,
but
I
I
absolutely
can
give
reassurance
on
that.
I
would
make
the
point
that
the
services
such
as
probably
the
one
that
council
carter
is
referring
to
in
planning,
are
under
a
massive
pressure
to
recover
what
is
a
massive
increase
in
demand
and
in
other
services
that
may
he
may
be
referring
to.
I
may
have
got
that
wrong.
C
F
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I
mean
if
there's
an
instance
in
planning.
B
B
F
I
think
a
lot
of
them
have
very
much
appreciated
it
and
it
has
enabled
the
council
potentially
to
be
more
productive,
because
there
is
nothing
worse
than
sitting
in
the
commute
to
come
into
leads
when
actually
that
time
could
be
spent
enabling
in
your
household
to
work
or
enabling
you
to
put
an
extra
hour
into
your
professional
job.
And
I
wouldn't
want
to
force
anybody
to
have
in-person
meetings
just
for
the
sake
of
it.
F
But
I
can
appreciate
that
we
need
to
ensure
that
everybody
is
feeling
supported
and
enabled
in
all
of
the
departments
that
we've
got
and
I,
as
has
been
indicated
before,
I
think
the
biggest
issue
on
that
one
is
going
to
be
how
the
cat,
how
quickly
the
council
responds
to
the
new
world
that
we
have,
because
everybody's
holding
their
breath
to
see
whether
it's
a
permanent
realignment
of
activity
or
whether
it's
just
a
blip.
F
And
I
refer,
for
instance,
to
the
level
of
waste
which
has
risen
within
the
city
if,
if
we're
going
to
have
much
more
deliveries
of
parcels
or
whatever
it's
going
to
stay
there,
and
I
I
also
talk
about
the
planning
system
where,
if
you've
had
a
a
hold
up,
you
are
going
to
expect
a
rush.
Maybe
that's
not
the
best
time
to
let
go
of
50
of
your
professionals
through
early
leavers
and
then
only
plan
to
replace
half
of
them.
F
E
A
E
The
only
way
to
keep
the
cart
on
the
wheels,
but
you
talk
about
planning
and
I
will
agree
with
stuart
here.
It
was,
I
think,
a
fairly.
E
You
could
fairly
judge
what
was
going
to
happen
through
this
last
18
months
and
and
to-
and
this
is
something
I
would
have
raised
later
on-
but
I
may
as
well
raise
it
now.
I
think
we
need
to
look
much
more
thoroughly
department
by
department
as
any
staff
eli
or
whatever
in
the
in
the
future
and
on
planning
I
I
I
say
this.
I've
long
had
a
belief
that
there
should
be
no
controls
over
a
local
authority
on
the
implementation
of
planning
fees
and
even
with
a
modest
increase.
E
Over
and
above
what
how
how
much
were
allowed.
It
would
bring
all
the
benefits
to
the
city
and
you'd
have
a
planning
system
that
was
in
fact
self-financing
and
self-sustainable,
and
during
an
uptake
like
we're
seeing
now-
and
we
are
we'd-
be
actually
paying
for
the
department
and
I
I've
often
said
I
am
more
than
happy
to
make
representations
on
those.
E
If
we
come
to
an
agreement
to
government
on
planning
fees,
because
you
know
no
council
in
its
right,
mind
would
possibly
push
the
fees
and
charges
up
to
such
a
level
that
people
didn't
apply.
E
So
we're
talking
about
modest
increases,
which
would
be
very,
very
financially
beneficial
to
ourselves.
But
I
do
think
that
somewhere
along
the
line,
there
was
a
misstep.
Shall
we
say
in
connection
with
the
number
of
people
in
the
pine
department
who
have
departed
under
the
early
leaves
initiative
and
now
the
scurry
to
recruit.
That's
going
on
to
try
and
get
the
thing
back
on
track.
C
In
please
thank
you
chair.
I
yeah,
I
mean
I'm
grateful
for
the
debate
because
I
think
it
it
shows
both
sides
of
an
issue
which
I
think
everybody
every
employer
is
grappling
with
at
the
moment
about
what
that
balance
will
be,
and
I
appreciate
that
the
reviews
on
either
side
of
it.
What
we've
done
is
a
major
consultation
with
the
staff
involving
thousands
of
views.
C
Where
we've
made
clear
from
the
start,
rather
than
asking
an
open
question,
we've
made
clear
that,
where
we
end
up
will
depend
on
three
things:
one
and
individual
circumstances,
two
what
it
costs
to
the
council
and
our
budgetary
challenges
and
therefore
the
building
availability
in
in,
in
addition
and
so
and
and
then
three
what
the
service
needs
to
run
and
neil's
led
that
very
effectively
and
and
we've
got
a
plan
in
place
through
neil
silva
group.
Two
to
get
that
consistency.
C
That
martin
was
talking
about
on
that
return,
I've
gone
out
and
about
recently
I
did
a
request.
I
did
an
open,
open
invitation
to
the
staff
to
come
and
visit
them,
and
I've
had
probably
10
15
times
more
interest
than
I
would
normally
get
from
that
sort
of
request,
because
I
think
people
do
want
to
meet
face-to-face
and
they
do
want
to
make
sure
when
they
do
so
it's
productive.
C
I
also
think
I'd
refer
to
what
I
said
before.
People
are
tired.
You
know
we
are
not
an
organization
that
has
loads
of
people
sitting
around
twiddling
their
thumbs.
People
are
busy
and
we
have
this
financial
challenge
to
come
as
well,
and
so
any
cross-party
support
we
can
have
to
improve
the
income
that
we're
allowed
to
get
from.
You
know
from
our
fees
and
charges,
I
think,
would
be
much
appreciated,
but
I
don't
underestimate
the
scale
of
the
of
the
challenge.
C
C
That's
just
come
out
for
a
million
pounds
for
the
whole
of
the
sector
and
and
it's
a
particular
issue
and-
and
we
would
be
much
better
off
working
with
government
in
partnership
to
make
sure
that
the
spending
review
is
what
we
need
to
to
to
set
that
budget
moving
forward.
And
I
think
that's
the
other
cross-party
element
that
I
think
hopefully
you
know
we
can.
We
can
work
on
as
well.
A
Thank
you
tom
does
anybody
else
want
to
come
in
on
this
item,
and
certainly
I
agree
with
council
carter.
I
know
it's
part
of
a
wider
debate,
but
been
able
to
get
a
self-financing
planning
service
will
be
a
a
great
benefit
to
everybody
and
council
carter
says
you
know
the
the
the
sort
of
increasing
fees
we'll
be
looking
at
would
be
minimal
to
achieve
that
and
happy
to
work
on
any
representations
on
that.
A
So
with
that
I'll
turn
to
the
recommendations-
and
I
see
everybody's
happy
with
those,
so
if
we
could
move
on
to
councillor
cooper's
papers,
please.
H
Thank
you
leader,
and
the
first
of
my
purpose
this
afternoon
is
item
12,
which
is
a
paper.
That's
come
about
through
the
climate
emergency
and
advisory
committee
and
a
recommendation
that
they
are
making
around
divesting
from
fossil
fuels
to
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund.
H
I
think
we're
all
aware-
and
we've
debated
it
on
many
occasions
in
executive
board
and
the
council
chamber
around
the
need
around
the
climate
emergency
and
that
everybody
acts
together,
and
I
think
that
this
year's
recent
weather
events
as
well
as
really
compounded
that
issue
and
and
made
it
all
to
the
far
I
think
for
for
us
that
that
are
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
take
some
action
around
it.
H
I
think
that
the
west
shore,
we
do
one
thing:
we
don't
control
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund,
we're
one
of
the
authorities
and
representatives
on
it,
and
we
do
know
that
the
restaurant
pension
fund
has
performed
really
well
in
its
investments
and
bringing
you
know
back
that
benefit
to
its
members.
H
I
have
to
say,
however,
I
do
think
that
the
one
point
that
we're
not
taking
forward
from
the
recommendation
of
is
around
the
three-year
timeline,
because
I
don't
think
that
that's
particularly
helpful
to
put
a
timeline
on
it.
H
I
think
that
we
need
perhaps
to
take
action
around
the
climate
emergency
and
work
with
west
church
pension
fund
as
a
as
a
member
of
it
around
looking
at
those
investments,
monitoring
those
investments
going
forward
and
with
an
aim
to
reduce
those
investments
on
fossil
fuels
to
to
nil
in
the
future.
H
I
do
know
that
they've,
they
already
invest
750
million
in
green
fuels
and
renewable
energy
already,
and
we've
worked
extremely
well
with
them
in
the
past
and
and
I'm
sure,
like
other
authorities
who
are
members
of
it,
would
like
to
see
the
divestment
in
fossil
fuels
looked
at
in
a
serious
way
by
the
fund
and
a
report
come
back
to
us
on
that
I'll
leave
it
there
for
now
later.
E
Well,
I'm
sure
that
the
exec
board
administration
members
must
have
welcomed
this
like
a
hole
in
the
head.
E
The
pension
fund
should,
in
my
humble
opinion,
be
reviewing
its
investments
and
it
undoubtedly
should
be
looking
at
investments
in
fossil
fuels,
because,
if
everything
remains
roughly
asked
today,
those
investments
could,
in
the
future
become
stranded
investments,
in
other
words,
investments
that
have
lost
the
value.
E
What
and
what
was
actually
suggested
now
and
that's
what
I
understand
council
scopes
is
doing
who
actually
is
supposed
is
supposed
to
be
far
more
of
an
expert
on
these
issues
than
I
am.
But
I
understand
it's
in
the
millions
of
pounds
now.
Does
this
authority
then
absorb
its
share
of
the
millions
of
pounds
of
losses
in
the
financial
state
you've
all
referred
to
over
and
over
again
or
do
we
pass
it
on
to
our
members?
E
So,
mrs
boggins,
who
makes
the
tea
to
the
refuse
collectors
to
the
gardeners?
Is
that
what
we
do-
and
I
have
to
say
I'm
very
pointed
about
this-
I
think
councillor
scopes
needs
to
look
at
whether
he
has
a
major
conflict
of
interest,
because
the
directors
of
the
pension
fund
are
elected
to
ensure
the
best
possible
investments
in
return
for
their
members.
E
Now
he
would
say
they
are
very
good
now
and
pick
out
one
or
two
particulars
he'd
also
probably
say
that
investments
in
companies
like,
let's
name
a
couple
bp
and
shell,
maybe
should
be
reviewed,
but
and
yet
bp
and
shell,
two
companies
are
already
radically
changing
their
modus
operandi.
E
So
this
is
a
it's
a
highly
complicated
issue
and
we
put
people
on
there
to
take
the
best
advice
of
experts,
and
so
I
agree
with
you
councillor
to
say
three
years
is
nonsense
and
I
actually
think
we're
inviting
intervention,
but
I
think
we
should
be
very
careful
what
we
say
at
all
other
than
saying.
Yes,
our
objective
is:
if
things
continue
as
they
are,
I
see
no
reason
why
they
shouldn't.
E
We
should
be
looking
at
renewables
and
not
faucet,
but
to
to
bring
it
up
at
this
time.
When
you
know
some
people
have
been
busily
moaning
about
the
increases
in
national
insurance,
haven't
they
well?
How
would
the
pen
the
pension
holders
now
like
to
stomach
an
increase
in
what
they
pay
into
the
pension
fund,
because
we've
preemptually
taken
decisions
on
millions
of
pounds
of
investment
and
started
to
try
and
dictate
to
a
pension
fund?
That,
as
you
have
said,
has
an
excellent
record
in
investments
for
its
members,
including
a
healthy
chunk
into
renewables.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
carton.
Certainly,
I've
made
very
similar
points
for
members
of
your
group
have
stood
up
and
requested,
as
you've
said,
outside
the
management
of
the
pension
fund,
that
it
that
funds
are
directed
in
one
way
and
another,
and
clearly
people
have
a
view
on
that.
But
again,
as
I've
said
to
members
of
your
group
who
have
requested,
investments
are
taken
out
of
it
you're
absolutely
right.
A
It
is
a
view
of
the
people,
those
charged
with
managing
the
pension
fund,
not
us
as
one
of
the
I
think
it's
70
employers
that
contribute
into
it
to
direct
that
on
the
level
that
you've
said
I'll,
ask
councillor
cooper
to
come
back
as
well.
Please.
H
Yeah,
I
think,
actually
the
report
does
go
into
the
reasons
why
the
three
years
would
not
be
a
reasonable
ask,
and
we
want
to
work
in
a
collegiate
way,
with
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund
to
enable
them
to
make
the
right
investments
for
those
members.
H
What
we
didn't
we
don't
want
to
do
is
to
bring
about
any
significant
loss
to
that
pension
fund
and
for
them
to
make
the
right
decisions.
But
it's
not
just
about
the
politics
either
of
this
council
of
caster.
I
thought
we
were
all
agreed
as
as
cross
party
that
there
is
a
climate
emergency
and
that
we
we
need
to
take
action
and
take
things
seriously.
H
I
think
by
us
bringing
this
to
the
forefront
of
the
west
yorkshire
pension
from
to
think
about
some
of
the
investments
that
are
made
in
by
the
pension
fund
to
see.
If
there
are
some
alternatives
that
come
from
can
come
forward
and
replace
those
investments
with
the
same
return,
we
would
expect
no
loss
to
be
made
to
and
would
would
ask
for
no
loss
to
be
made
to
its
members
either
councilor
carter.
I
think
we're
on
the
same
page
with
with
the
west
yorkshire
pension
fund.
H
I
do
know
that
when
seac
discussed
this
and
were
lobbying
around
the
three-year
timeline,
they
weren't
actually
aware
they
didn't
have
the
information
about
the
cost
that
if
it
was
to
be
implemented,
if
that
withdrawal
was
to
be
implemented
now,
what
that
cost
would
involve,
which
I
understand
but
I'll,
ask
officers
to
to
confirm
it.
But
I
understand
it's
around
7.5
million
pounds,
but
I
will
ask
officers
to
to
confirm
that
council
of
carter,
which
you
know,
one
of
the
reasons
we
don't
want
to
ask
for
a
timeline.
H
Is
that
actually,
if
this
may
come
about
before,
then
that
it's
down
to
market
forces
and
investments
as
to
you
know
so
actually
they
may
divest
before
three
years
time
because
of
the
market
forces
around
decarbonisation
and
investment
in
fossil
fuels
across
the
market.
So
you
know,
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
work,
as
I've
said
in
a
collegiate
way,
with
the
west
georgia
pension
fund
to
enable
it
to
be
monitored
and
considered
as
one
of
the
objectives
around
the
climate
emergency.
E
First
of
all,
there's
nothing.
It's
got
nothing
to
do
with
the
climate
emergency.
I
absolutely
agree
that
we
should
be
looking
to
invest
in
green
technologies
and
you've
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
West
yorkshire
pension
fund
do
deals
every
day
of
the
week
except
the
weekends,
and
undoubtedly
there
will
be
opportunities
well
before
three
years
to
start
to
invest
in
that
way
and
that's
right.
E
But
what
we
shouldn't
be
doing
is
interfering
in
that
business
because,
as
far
as
I
can
tell-
and
and
my
seat
members
by
the
way
have
have
said
to
me,
if
they
had
realized
what
the
costs
were
going
to
be,
it
would
have
been
a
different
debate
at
that
meeting,
but
they
weren't
furnished
with
the
costs
and
they
have
been
now
and
we
are
some
degree
on
the
same
page.
But
I
just
think
this
is
it's
a
dangerous
sort
of
move
and
yes,
members
have
in
the
past,
raised
issues
about
investments.
E
But
I
don't
ever
recall
the
director
of
the
fund
doing
it
and
bringing
perhaps
pressure
to
bear
on
a
subcommittee
of
this
council
to
bring
a
report
to
the
exec
board.
And
that
is
the
big
difference.
A
Thank
you
for
acknowledging,
like
I
say,
lots
of
counselors
have
had
views
on
the
pension
votes
and
I
think
we're
quite
clear,
we're
quite
clear
in
this
report
that
we
are
recognizing
the
important
role
of
the
pension
fund.
As
you've
said,
we
have
a
very
successful
pension
fund.
I
know
council
could
perhaps
some
information
for
some
officers.
I
Yes,
the
the
figure
which
cascope
quotes
is
correct.
It's
actually
at
the
top
of
page
273.
I
If,
if
you
look
at
council,
it's
30
million
across
the
pension
fund,
seven
and
a
half
million
to
leads
that
that's
that
estimate
I
mean
clearly,
there
will
be
different
views
on
that
and
things
will
go
up
and
down.
But
I
think
that
that
is
the
the
advice
of
the
pension
fund
itself,
which
we've
included
in
the
report.
F
I
believe
that
the
the
investment
fund
should
be
nimble
in
looking
at
opportunities
to
add
value
and
value.
Isn't
just
monetary
value
is
all
value
is
also
moral
and
if
it
can
also,
in
the
long
term,
deliver
better
pecuniary
outcomes.
Brilliant,
and
I
seem
to
remember
that,
when
we're
looking
at
our
economic
forecast,
whether
it's
here
or
on
a
west
yorkshire,
temple
or
even
nationally
to
the
prime
minister,
we
keep
talking
about
good,
green
jobs.
F
Investment
in
green
companies
doesn't
just
happen
by
magic
and
it's
not
all
going
to
be
delivered
by
boris
johnson.
It
needs
the
likes
of
pension
funds
to
enable
a
greater
proportion
of
their
investment
capacity
to
be
focused
on
these
new
industries
and
that
pace,
and
if
this
work
helps
happen
a
little
bit
quicker,
then
it's
welcome.
A
You,
council
golden-
I
don't
see
any
more
comments
on
this
paper,
so
I'll
turn
to
the
recommendations
on
page
273
and
I
certainly
look
forward
to
the
on
recommendations
see
look
forward
to
the
reports
coming
back
on
on
this.
I
see
everybody's
happy
with
that
report.
So
could
we
move
on
to
item
13?
Please,
council,
cooper.
H
Yes,
thank
you
leader
and
the
paper
item.
13
is
the
a
three
yearly
review
of
the
gambling
act
statement.
The
some
consultation
has
already
taken
place.
The
paper
outlines
that
consultation
as
well
and
the
next
stage
for
this
is
to
take
it
to
a
scrutiny
board
for
for
their
views
and
an
involvement
in
that
I'll
leave
it.
There.
A
Thank
you.
I
see
everybody's
happy
with
that
report.
There's
no
comment.
So
if
we
could
move
on
to
item
14,
please.
H
Item
14
is
the
the
proposed
criteria
for
suitability
around
taxi
and
private
hire
licensing.
H
If
I
could
just
ask
for
a
couple
of
corrections
to
the
report,
first
of
all,
where
it
states
that
it
would
come
back
to
executive
board
first
and
then
go
back
to
the
licensing
committee
is
actually
the
other
way
around.
It
would
go
to
license
the
results.
H
The
consultation
would
go
to
licensing
committee
and
then
come
back
to
with
their
views
to
executive
board
to
look
at,
and
secondly,
if
I
could
ask
that
one
of
the
recommendations
around
the
consultation
is
changed
from
a
four
weeks:
consultation
to
six
weeks,
consultation
to
give
more
of
an
opportunity
for
the
views
around
this
particular
agenda
to
be
heard
and
and
all
of
those
views
to
be
fed
back
in
so
the.
If
I
can
just
outline
those
changes.
H
First
of
all,
and
then,
if
I
can
go
through
the
paper
with
members
of
the
executive
board,
as
you
know,
that
this
agenda
around
harmonization
and
the
suitability
policy
has
been
going
on
for
some
time
within
the
council
since
march
2019,
and
we
are
one
of
the
only
one
of
the
six
councils
in
our
region
that
have
not
taken
forward
this
area
of
their
suitability
policy.
H
There
has
been
some
work
undertaken
at
licensing
committee
and
also
by
a
working
group
that
have
looked
into
this
issue
and
brought
forward
some
recommendations,
and,
and
so
today,
we're
looking
at
a
recommendation
that
executive
board
approve
a
consultation
around
the
minor
motoring
offences
within
the
suitability
policy,
which
is
recommended
by
the
working
group
to
licensing
committee
and
licensing
committee
are
recommending
that
to
executive
board.
H
I
think
I'd
just
like
to
add
to
that
that
that
I
have,
since
taken
over
the
portfolio
met
on
a
number
of
occasions
now,
with
representatives
of
the
trade,
both
private
hire
and
hackney
carriage,
also,
the
stakeholders
around
this
I've
met
with
elected
members
from
both
sides
of
the
chamber,
who
have
been
involved
with
that
and
also
a
number
of
organizations
that
represent
the
trade
as
well
just
to
to
try
and
clarify
the
process
that
we're
undertaking
at
executive
board
today.
H
H
E
E
They
carriage
trade
and
the
private
hire
trade
is
one
of
the
the
businesses
where
the
people
actually
do
the
work
the
drivers
have
been
have
gone
through
as
harder
time,
if
not
harder
than
many
areas
in
terms
of
the
trade
damage
to
the
trade
through
covet
no
fault
of
ours,
but
that's
a
fact.
They
have
they've
gone
from
business
to
having
no
business
and
and
continually
being
faced
with
consultation
on
harmonization
issues
which
go
actually
far
below
beyond.
E
What's
in
front
of
us
and
it's
very
unfair-
and
I
accept
one
of
the
reasons
it's
unfair
is-
is
perhaps
beyond
our
control.
But
it's
unfair,
because
the
four
other
constituent
local
authorities
have
standards
which
are
lower
than
we
have
already
and
as
we
all
know,
you
get
a
license.
E
Most
of
the
the
drivers
are
leeds
residents.
The
vast
majority
of
family
men,
some
women
and
they
have
been
very,
very
badly
hit
through
covid
and
now
just
seems.
Is
there
ever
a
good
time?
No
there's!
No.
Is
this
the
worst
of
times
in
my
view?
Yes,
it
is
actually
extending
the
the
consultation
period
for
longer
is,
is
it
helpful?
Well,
it
is
I'm
sure
it's
meant
to
be,
but
does
it
just
prolong
along
the
agony?
I
have
to
say
to
to
licensing.
E
I
think
we
are
out
of
step
not
only
with
the
private
hire
companies
and
their
drivers,
but
the
carriage
license
holders
as
well,
and
we
need
to
tread
extremely
carefully
and
we
we
should
be
focusing
on
how
we
can
help
these
drivers
and
these
companies
rebuild
their
trade,
not
making
it
more
and
more
difficult.
Much
as
I
accept
that
this
is,
this
is
just
one
part,
one
part
of
the
harmonization.
E
It
does
come
what
I
consider
to
be
a
very
difficult
time
for
the
trade
and
and
you
need
we,
they
need,
I
think,
some
assurance
because,
as
I
say,
the
leaders
residents
they
have
families
here
and
they've,
been
very
hard
hit
by
by
cobia
and
a
lot
harder
hit
than
a
number
of
other
areas.
So
I
really
do
think
we
should
be
seeking
ways
to
encourage
and
help
them
and
their
businesses,
rather
than
piling
more
and
more
red
tape
on
them.
H
Thanks
leader,
a
number
of
points
there
that
you
made
councillor
cooper
if
sorry,
council
carter.
H
If
I
can
respond
to
them
in
turn,
first
of
all
the
consultation
and,
and
why
now
well,
the
trade
themselves
and
the
drivers
themselves
have
requested
a
consultation,
as
I'm
sure
you're
aware,
and
what
is
being
tried
as
being
talked
about
in
the
working
group
and
through
the
licensing
committee
has
been
how
to
simplify
that
consultation
into
one
question
which
is:
do
you
agree
with
the
proposed
points,
a
position
that
you
that
you've
been
asked
about,
and
or
do
you
not
agree
with
it
and
then
to
take
further
comments
from
in
person,
meetings
on
and
virtual
meetings
and
so
on,
and
that
I
already
am
undertaking
and
if
executive
board
agree
to
go
to
consultation
on
those
terms
we'll
continue
to
undertake
on
in
that
consultation
period,
so
that
those
views
are
heard
at
this
level
of
the
executive
board
as
well?
H
I
think
that
it's
important,
I
think,
six
weeks,
extending
it
to
six
weeks,
is
helpful
to
the
trade,
because
it
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
to
air
their
views
in
various
ways
and
not
just
by
you
know,
response
to
an
email.
We
have
also.
You
know
to
try
and
simplify
that
and
any
badge
holder
that
we
have,
who
has
not
got
an
email
address,
that
we
that
we
correspond
with
around
other
requirements
for
their
badge,
that
actually
we
will
write
to
them
to.
H
The
the
taxi
trade
is
is
one
of
the
trades
that
has
suffered
during
covey,
and
the
other
part
of
this
is
to
try
and
help
and
support
those
drivers,
so
in
in
my
meetings
with
them,
as
well
as
with
other
members
of
council
and
their
representatives
are
working
together
to
see
what
it
is
that
their
requirements
are
to
see
if
we
can
assist
them
around
that
absolutely
you
know,
and
the
other
thing
about
the
other
issue
is
was
about
the
other
councils,
we're
the
only
council
that
hasn't
got
this
policy
now,
so
we're
actually
an
outlier
by
not
having
it
in
place,
and
we
do
want
to
be
the
best
city
for
for
everything
that
we
undertake,
and
that
is
including
the
standards
that
we
require
for
public
safety
as
well.
H
So
all
of
all
of
the
things
that
you
raised,
we
are
taking
on
board
and
working
with
the
trade
on.
You
know
in
an
intense
way,
but
this
report
is
about
the
process
of
the
consultation
of
which
the
drivers
have
asked
for
that
consultation.
E
Very
quickly,
you're
right.
Could
you
put
your
microphone
on
please?
I
thought
people
could
hear
me.
Usually
the
the
trade
haven't
requested
this,
but
they
requested
it
because
the
last
consultation
was
in
their
view
and
in
mind
such
as
shambles,
so
it
actually
requests
the
consultation
they
requested.
E
Another
consultation
because
of
the
failure
of
the
first-
and
that
was
the
point
I
was
addressing
and
to
some
extent
you
responded
to
it
because
you've
given
me,
some
reassurance
that
those
issues
that
the
trade
rightly
raised
about
the
first
consultation
have
been
in
your
view,
addressed
in
the
second
consultation
and
that
where
people
have
had
difficulty
with
responding
and
making
their
views
known,
they're
going
to
be
given
help
and
assistance
I'll.
E
Just
pick
up
again
on
the
point
you
made
then
about
discussions
about
how
we
can
help
the
trade,
because,
whilst
this
may
be
the
in
this
particular
instance
we're
an
outlier
to
the
other
local
authorities
and
all
other
respects
with
taxes
and
private
hire.
We
are
not
those
four
of
the
outliers
and
they
are
damaging
our
taxi
drivers
and
private
hard
drives
trade
substantially.
E
H
Just
to
reassure
councillor
carter
that
I
have
committed
to
working
with
the
trade
on
the
other
issues,
around
harmonisation
in
my
short
run
will
hopefully
be
bringing
back
to
executive
board
proposals
around
that
in
the
future.
A
Nope?
Okay,
so
I
shall
turn
to
the
recommendations
on
page
371,
with
the
updates
that
council
cooper
moved
and
I
see
everybody's
happy
with
those.
So
could
we
move
on
to
item
15?
Please.
H
Yes,
thank
you
leader,
item
15
is
the
revenue
savings
proposals
for
20,
22
and
23
to
20
24
25.?
H
H
The.
I
think
it's
it's
important
that
we
look
at
how
we
address
the
budget
gap
that
we
have
got
in
terms
of
that
three
year
strategy
and
not
just
a
in
in
one
year.
We
also
have
to
make
a
number
of
assumptions
because
we're
yet
to
hear
about
the
comprehensive
spending
review
and
and
and
other
spending
announcements
like
the
fair
funding
review
and
so
on.
So
there
are
a
number
of
assumptions
already
made
within
that
paper.
H
There
are
already
some
identified
savings
that
have
been
outlined
also
within
that
paper,
and
I
will
be
bringing
further
proposals
around
savings
to
november
and
december
executive
board
I'll
leave
it
there
for
now
later.
E
But
until
we
had
some
certainty
about
funding,
it's
difficult
to
comment,
because
there
will
undoubtedly
be
either
plus
or
minuses
in
that
direction
until
we
get
to
know
what
we're
going
to
get
the
better.
But
I'll
go
back
to
the
point
I
made
about
charges
in
relation
to
planning.
E
There's
also
the
issues
around
procurement
which
we
raised
at
our
at
the
budget
meeting
of
council,
and
I
note
that
you've
taken
on
board
that
review
and
you're
potentially
highlighting
a
considerable
saving
by
doing
that.
So
I
hope
that
when
disappointed
we're
not
having
another
look
in
october
that
we're
waiting
till
november
because
then
we're
getting
precious
close
but
I'll
leave
it
at
that
and
wait
for
some
more
proposals
to
come
forward.
F
Just
just
to
carry
on
with
the
same
comments,
I
am
encouraged
that
some
departments
have
already
come
forward
with
some
service
reviews
and
that
one
of
those
reviews,
in
particular
around
residential
care
provision,
is
something
that
opposition
parties
have
been
calling
for
for
a
while
and
it's
and
and
it's
good
that
this
is
being
looked
into
and
seen
as
a
positive
thing
to
do.
F
As
with
councillor
carter,
I
am
also
greatly
interested
in
what
service
reviews
come
forward
from
other
departments,
because
we
are
used
to
this
kind
of
professionally
presented
proposals
coming
from
kath
roth
as
a
director,
and
I
wish
to
see
the
same
level
of
creativity
and
application
delivered
by
the
other
departments
in
the
council,
which
have
previously
felt
somewhat
insulated
from
taking
a
root
and
branch.
Look
at
how
we
deliver
our
services
in
the
future,
because
this
is
the
time
as
is
emphasizing
this
paper,
that
it
needs
to
happen.
E
E
You
know
very
well,
nobody
contacts
you
virtually
everything.
I.
A
E
Certainly
so
I
think
that's
a
bit
unfair,
but
I
think
it
comes
back
to
the
question
is
we
need?
We
need
these
reviews
in
time.
We
need
some
expeditious
reviews.
A
Thank
you
and
I
think
that's
our
approach
to
to
setting
the
budget
and
obviously
there's
a
maybe
some
good
news,
maybe
not
in
the
autumn
statement
around
where
we're
going
with
the
budget.
Are
there
any
more
comments
on
this
paper?
A
H
Yes,
thank
you
leader
at
the
second
of
the
financial
purpose
that
we're
looking
at
executive
for
this
afternoon,
which
is
a
medium-term
financial
strategy
which
covers
a
five-year
period.
Looking
at
reflects
the
range
of
risks
and
assumptions
to
set
out
in
the
strategy,
including
the
level
of
resources
that
we've
got
from
council
tax
from
business
rates
from
government
grants.
H
But
again
we've
got
the
uncertainty
around
what
the
business
trade
reform
might
look
like
what
the
fair
funding
review
might
look
like
the
impact
of
corvid
19
still
not
to
mention
brexit
and
the
social
care
funding
issue
as
well.
I
shall
leave
it
there.
Chairman,
take
any.
E
B
It
is
detailed
in
the
medium
term
financial
strategy.
I
just
have
to
find
what
page
it
is,
and
I
try
to
distribute
that
after
the
meeting
would
that
be
okay.
B
There
is
section
31
grants
in
there,
which
is
distorted
the
level
of
reserves
that
we
carry
forward,
because
that's
for
the
compensation
on
the
business
rates,
release
that
were
provided.
A
H
The
last
of
my
purposes
as
well
thank
you
leader,
which
is
a
month
for
position
of
the
financial
situation
of
the
council.
H
We
expect
a
balanced
position
to
be
achieved
by
the
year
end.
We
do
have
some
of
spends
currently
that
have
been
worked
upon,
and
the
budget
also
assumes
56.1
million
pounds
of
savings
within
this
year
as
well,
so
not
easy
at
all
to
deliver.
Given
the
financial
situation
that
we
find
ourselves
in.
E
B
Yeah,
it's
due
to
the
additional
waste
and
the
additional
crews
that
we've
had
to
put
in
place
and
due
to
the
home
working.
E
So,
despite
the
fact
that
quite
a
percentage
of
the
population
are
experiencing
missed
collections
of
one
sort
and
another
we've
overspent
by
five
million,
do
we
do?
We
expect
people
to
climb
on
the
28th
bus
with
a
sack
on
the
back
and
take
it
to
the
tip
or
make
an
appointment.
J
J
So
I
think
counselor,
gal
and
galton
already
said
early
on
about
the
issue
about
the
packaging
as
a
result
of
that's
just
one
of
the
issues
apart
from
people
working
at
home
instead
of
the
office,
but
the
extra
packaging
that
achieve
which
is
actually
generated
because
of
the
parcels
people
get
at
home
and
then
obviously
the
chord
lockdowns
with
kids
being
at
home
as
well
schools
being
closed.
J
So
there
are,
I
mean,
there's
content
to
be
extra
tonnages
which
we
are
experiencing,
there's
no
way
you
can
manage
the
service
without
having
the
extra
resource.
J
But,
yes,
we
had
some
additional
pressures
in
august,
but
we've
actually
overcome
those
now
so,
but
going
forward
going
back
to
the
earlier
point.
Council
goal
to
make
is
that
we
will
be
doing
a
service,
a
root
review
and
a
service
review
as
well
as
we
go
forward
to
to
to
cover
all
that.
A
A
It's
certainly
a
very
important
service,
and
I
say
we
are
I'm
more
than
happy
to
I'm
I'm
more
than
happy
to
welcome
the
fact
that
that,
given
the
extra
amount
of
waste
that
come
in,
we
need
extra
vehicles
out
there
and
extra
people
an
extra
cost
to
dispose
of
it,
and
I
think
it's
what
people
in
leaves
would
expect
us.
What
people
in
leeds
would
expect
us
to
do.
I
think
it's
a
a
positive
that
we've
got
out
and
tried
to
attack.
E
That's
absolutely
right
chairman:
they
do
expect
it,
and
so
I
shall,
for
one
hold
counselor
rafiq
to
his
pledge.
If
that's
what
it
was
just
now
that
we're
going
to
see
the
refuse
collection
service
recover
properly
and
by
the
way
I
unfortunately
endured
listening
to
everything
you
said
at
the
council
meeting
last
week,
thank
god
I
was
remote.
A
F
Just
to
stay
on
the
issue
of
waste,
but
not
gratuitously,
yes,
on
the
financial
papers,
so
I'll
refer
you
to
page
517
at
3.7,
which
is
about
energy
prices
and,
in
particular,
we've
seen
the
issue
recently
about
gas
prices
going
up
exponentially,
and
I
I
would
be
interested
to
see
if
the
administration
had
considered
looking
at
their
energy
security
and
the
possibility
of
generating
more
of
their
own
energy
and
perhaps
in
the
spirit
of
children
services.
F
Looking
at
savings
that
can
be
delivered
by
investing
in
their
own
residential
portfolio
that
we
review
again
the
possibility
of
collecting
our
food
waste,
which,
as
a
byproduct
of
its
anaerobic
digestion,
delivers
gas
which
can
be
used
by
the
council
at
obviously
a
much
cheaper
rate
than
buying
it
in
from
the
open
market.
At
the
moment,.
A
Old
enough
to
remember
when
an
energy
secretary
called
ed
davey
said
that
extra
you
know,
lots
of
competition
in
the
market
would
reduce
prices.
So
it
turned
out
that
foresight
wasn't
great,
so
I'm
not
sure
I'll,
take
much
advice.
A
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
not
sure
I'll.
Take
much
advice
from
the
lib
dems
on
the
energy
market.
Neil.
Would
you
like
to
come
in?
Please.
I
Yeah
I
mean
on
on
this.
Actually
there
are
a
number
of
things
going
on
which
are
putting
us
in
a
more
favorable
position
than
just
about
anyone
else.
Actually,
despite
the
we're,
also
obviously
feeling
the
effects
of
gas
prices
and
electricity
prices
like
everyone
else,
but
not
everyone
else
has
a
district
heating
scheme
coming
through
its
largest
being
built
out
at
the
moment
in
in
the
uk,
and
this
building,
amongst
with
all
the
other
big
municipal
buildings
in
the
city
centre,
will
be
hooked
up
very
shortly.
I
In
the
meantime,
actually
work
is
going
on
in
many
of
our
sport
centers.
I
visited
the
aquatic
center,
the
other
day,
which
has
just
had
the
air
source
heat
pumps
installed
and
solar
paneling
installed,
which
is
reducing
its
gas
usage
by
80
percent
and
there's
also
been
a
series
of
schools
being
done
over
the
summer
as
well
with
eight
schools.
I
Clearly,
there
is
a
government
proposal
that,
within
I
think
three
years
all
authorities
will
be
required
to
collect
food
at
to
this
point,
the
food
collection
and
and
the
use
of
anaerobic
possession
would
have
created
a
further
pressure
upon
our
budget,
but
one
will
assume
that
in
the
government
bringing
forward
that
proposal
for
separate
food
collection,
there
will
also
have
to
be
an
assessment
of
how
we
move
towards
anaerobic
digestion
to
actually
make
the
best
use
of
that
food
collection
in
terms
of
energy
and
energy
supply
to
the
to
the
country.
C
Just
to
add
to
what
neil
said
quite
rightly,
the
foresight
that
the
investment
in
the
district
heating
system
was
to
enable
us
to
at
least
be
partly
detached
from
the
the
pressures
in
the
system.
At
the
moment,
the
on
the
anaerobic
digestion
side
and
the
food
waste
side,
I
believe
we've
just
received
a
an
invitation
from
government
to
participate
in
a
in
a
program.
C
Unfortunately,
I
hope
I
was
hoping
that
there
might
be
some
money
attached
to
that,
but
it
is
it's
advice
and
expert
support
from
whitehall
colleagues,
that's
attached
to
it,
which
will
be
very
welcome,
but
probably
not
as
welcome
as
as
resources,
and
so
I
think
hopefully
that's
one.
We
can
look
out
look
out
for
in
the
spending
review,
as
neil
said,
because
I
think
that
is
what's
going
to
be
needed
in
the
current
financial
climate
for
us.
A
A
I
see
everybody's
happy
with
those
and
there's
no
exempt
items
for
us
to
go
into
private
sessions,
so
I
shall
close
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
Everyone.