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B
Okay,
thank
you
good
afternoon
everyone
and
welcome
to
today's
special
executive
board.
Just
a
one
item
agenda
today:
could
we
go
through
the
formalities?
Please
jared
item,
one.
A
Late
items
chair,
not
a
formal
item
as
such,
but
following
the
agenda
dispatch
board,
members
have
received
supplementary
information
in
the
form
of
a
substantive
covering
report
and
its
appendices,
which
were
not
available
at
the
time.
The
agenda
was
published.
B
It
takes
silence
as
a
I
know
and
that
moves
us
on
to
the
the
item.
The
main
item
of
the
agenda
under
item
five,
which
is
the
consensus
draft
order
on
the
devolution
deal
for
west
yorkshire
and
members,
will
be
aware
of
the
statutory
process
that
we've
outlined
during
this
whole
process
of
moving
forward
to
to
the
devolution
deal
and
we're
now
at,
I
think,
the
final
part
of
the
process
in
terms
of
the
setting
up
of
the
legal
requirements.
B
The
draft
order
has
been
laid
in
parliament
and
each
each
local
authority
area
under
the
order,
has
to
go
through
a
process
to
make
sure
that
we
give
that
consent.
So,
first
of
all
we're
going
obviously
through
this
process,
today's
executive
board,
and
then
we
will
be
having
a
special
council
meeting
on
thursday
of
this
week
to
to
to
do
all
the
final
final
work.
It
will
then,
assuming
all
of
the
west
yorkshire
authorities
go
through
and
give
consent
to
the
draft
order.
B
The
order
will
then
be
laid
in
parliament
in
december,
and
that
will
then
open
the
way
for
america
election
in
may
next
year.
All
of
you
will
recall
that
at
an
earlier
debate
in
september,
we
adopted
an
amendment
in
the
name
of
councillor
carter
with
regard
to
the
spatial
development
strategy.
B
In
actual
fact,
the
government
has
agreed
to
remove
the
spatial
development
strategy
strategy
from
the
draft
order,
and
I
think
that
that
makes
makes
easier
for
us
to
to
follow
and
follow
through
with
the
with
the
order
laying
before
us.
I
don't
wish
to
go
into
any
more
further
detail
at
this
stage.
B
I
think
we've
given
this
very
good
airing
over
the
last
few
months,
but
I
could
I
just
hand
over
to
tom
to
outline
any
any
relevant
facts
that
need
to
be
laid
before
us
so
that
we
can
move
forward
to
to
give
the
hopefully
to
give
unanimous
approvals.
This
going
through.
C
Thank
you,
chair
I'll,
just
probably
just
reiterate
what
what
you
said
just
and
remind
people,
maybe
just
of
the
the
sequencing.
So
it's
the
fourth
report
that
we've
had
dealing
with
the
implementation
of
the
devolution
deal,
and
this
is
intended
to
be
the
final
one.
It
asks
exec
board
to
consent
to
the
draft
order,
which
has
been
informed
by
the
public
consultation
on
the
scheme
over
the
summer
and
by
the
further
comments
and
submissions
of
councils,
political
groups
and
individual
members.
C
The
joint
committee
on
statutory
instruments
is
looking
at
the
order.
This
is
a
national
parliamentary
committee
and
may
make
small
technical
amendments
and
these
won't
change
the
meaning,
but
will
be
focused
on
ensuring
the
the
legislation's
drafted
in
a
in
a
high
quality
way.
So
that's
the
reason.
C
The
exec
body's
been
asked
to
consent
in
principle
today
and
to
delegate
the
final
approvals
to
prove
to
be
provided
after
those
technical
amendments.
So
we're
just
to
reassure
if
people
were
wondering
about
why
haven't
we
got
the
absolutely
final
version
here
in
content
and
substance.
It
is
the
absolutely
final
version.
C
The
the
key
points,
as
you
say,
are
around
the
the
amendments
to
there
are
two
actually
the
key
route
network.
There
was
a
potential
for
the
order
to
define
a
specific
list
of
roads
which
make
up
the
keynet
route
network
in
west
yorkshire.
Instead,
it
contains
provision
for
this
to
be
agreed
locally
at
a
later
date
and
the
ability
to
flex
and
amend
the
network
over
time
by
local
agreement,
which
I
think
is
a
better
position
to
be
in
in
case
things
change.
C
And
secondly,
as
you
say,
there
was
a
strong
cross-party
view
about
spatial
planning
and
that
was
fed
in
it
and
so
as
a
pretty
direct
result
of
those
sort
of
representations.
The
powers
related
to
the
spatial
development
strategy
and
the
strategic
infrastructure
tariff
have
been
removed
from
the
order
and
following
national
planning
reforms.
The
the
government
has
made
clear
it's
possible.
C
It
will
want
to
look
again
at
these
areas,
and
but
if
that
is
the
case
in
the
future,
then
it
would
be
subject
to
a
separate
process
and
a
separate
order
if
that
was
necessary.
So
the
next
steps
are
if
the
consent's
provided
today.
Obviously,
we've
got
full
council
later
in
the
week.
C
We
we
have
the
four
of
the
councils
and
the
combined
authority
to
consent,
and
then
the
secretary
of
state
will
lay
the
order
in
parliament
in
december,
and
we
can
then
expect
the
order
to
be
made
in
january
or
february
next
year,
at
which
point
the
first
gain
share
payment
of
38
million
pounds
will
be
made
to
waika.
One
of
the
things
that
you
as
leader
and
the
other
leaders
negotiated
was
that
we
would
get
that
if
you
like
early
payment
it
would
it
wouldn't
just
come
after
the
mayoral
election.
C
So
that's
a
that.
That's
a
a
real
early
advantage
of
this
and
then,
of
course
the
mayoral
election
will
follow
in
may
and
there
are
no
confirmation
yet
about
the
arrangements
for
that.
But
myself,
as
the
proposed
acting
returning
officer
and
the
local
teams,
are
working
hard
to
prepare
for
that
and
engage
with
government
so
I'll
leave
it
there
chair.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Can
I
invite
comments,
please,
council
carter,
would
you
like
to
comment.
D
Yes,
thank
you
chair
to
begin
with
just
a
point
on
the
process.
The
last
time
this
was
debated.
We
we
had
the
council
meeting
first,
which
of
course,
enabled
council
to
unanimously
agree
the
amendment
that
I
tabled
and
which
became
part
of
our
submission
to
government
and
which
government
have
accepted
we're
not
able
to
do
that
this
time,
because
we've
reversed
the
procedure
and
we,
the
executive
board,
are
the
decision-making
body
so
effectively.
The
council
on
thursday
will
be
able
to
comment,
but
that's
all
now
at
this
particular
stage.
D
Is
that
critical?
The
answer
is,
I
think,
no,
it's
not
because
we're
all
in
agreement.
I
hope
that
now
we
can,
we
can
move
the
devolution
deal
forward
to
its
conclusion.
D
However,
I
would
make
the
point
that
it
does
seem
to
me
to
be
using
council
as
something
of
a
cipher
when
the
ten
people
on
exec
board
take
the
decision,
and
the
other
89
can
only
comment
on
a
matter
as
important
as
this,
and
I
wish
that
we'd
stuck
to
the
original
the
original
way
forward.
D
The
silly
thing
is,
I
understand
that
we
were
the
only
council
that
did
it
that
way,
the
democratic
way
the
first
time
around,
but
now
we're
doing
the
same
as
the
other
four
did
except
kirk.
Lee's
has
presumably
realized
the
error
of
its
ways
and
he's
doing
it
the
way
we
did
it
to
start
with.
So
it's
it's
not
ideal.
D
Nevertheless,
that
said,
we've
got
what
we
wanted.
The
the
amendment
I
think,
had
a
significant
bearing
on
that.
It
enabled
us
to
to
re-emphasize
on
a
cross-party
basis.
D
Whatever
sarcastic
remarks
were
made
at
the
time,
we
were
able
to
emphasize
to
governmental
determination
that
these
planning
matters
should
be
dealt
with
locally
and
not
are
not
in
a
west
yorkshire
fashion,
although
they
must
be
working
obviously
between
us.
Also,
I'm
extremely
happy
with
that
and
the
fact
we
get
the
38
million
pounds
early
payment
is
is
an
additional
bonus
to
the
whole
thing.
D
The
only
other
area
I
would
comment
on
is
the
fact
that
now
it's
been
agreed
that
the
police
authority
will
be
merged
with
the
mayoral
authority,
something
else
that
we,
I
think
on
a
cross-party
basis.
Certainly,
leaders
agreed
should
be
the
case,
and
my
only
comment
on
that
is
that
I'm
a
little
disappointed
that
at
least
initially
the
scrutiny
functions
of
the
police
of
the
deputy
mayor.
Whoever
that
is
who
is
appointed
to
be
in
charge
of
the
police
will
not
be
subject
to
the
same
sort
of
scrutiny.
D
The
mayor
himself
will
be
subject
to
through
the
combined
authority
and
that
it
will
still
the
inadequate
scrutiny.
Powers
of
the
the
police
and
crime
panel
will
remain
the
same,
and
I
wonder
if
the
the
chief
exec
can
answer
me.
A
question
is
this,
of
course,
still
subject
to
whatever
the
home
secretary
decides
in
the
review?
That's
currently
taking
place
of
the
functions
and
accountability
of
police
and
crime
commissioners
will
that
be
extended
to
those
appointed
in
their
place
in
devolved
authorities.
D
So
I
would
like
an
answer
to
that,
but
excellent
move
forward,
we're
now
in
the
final
stages
of
a
devolution
deal.
We
all
have
our
views
about
whether
it's
the
ideal
devolution
deal
and
it's
not
the
time
to
revisit
that
particular
argument,
because
we
are
where
we
are
and
it's
time
to
press
on,
get
it
signed,
get
it
done
and
get
moving.
C
My
understanding
is
that
we
are
moving
forward
on
the
basis
of
the
current
arrangements
as
as
agreed
with
the
government
going
into
this,
the
consultation
so
that
my
my
my
sort
of
provisional
answer
to
you,
councillor
carter,
which
I
will
follow
up
and
get
confirmation
of
with
with
the
government-
is
that
it
it
would.
This
will
proceed
on
the
basis
of
the
you
know,
the
the
as,
as
is
stated
in
the
you
know,
in
the
paper
and
previous
papers
that
it
won't
be
subject
to
change.
C
But
I
guess
just
like
everything
else:
you
can't
rule
out
government
changing
things
in
the
future,
but
as
we
go
into,
I
I
think
this
will.
This
will,
as
I
understand
it,
stay
the
same,
but
we
will
follow
up
and
get
clarification
of
that.
B
D
Yes,
just
just
just
very
quickly,
I
mean
the
question
that
I
I'm
really
asking
there
is:
will
it
be
subject
to
change
as
and
when
any
new.
D
Protocol
is
put
in
place
for
scrutiny
of
police
and
crime.
Commissioners,
that's
what
I
want
the
answer
to
really
that
this
might
in
fact
be
subject
to
change
in
the
light
of
anything
that
comes
out
nationally
about
the
scrutiny
of
police
and
crime.
Commissioners.
C
Yeah
I'll
follow
that
up.
I
think
that
that
is
a
possibility.
I
think
it's
just
clarifying,
probably
whether
that
I
assume
that,
for
example,
the
greater
manchester
mayor
who
has
these
responsibilities
is
considered
in
any
policy
changes
that
happen
in
relation
to
those
sort
of
issues
along
with
other
police
and
crime.
C
Commissioners
and
and
this
mayor
would
be
as
well
so,
but
but
I
can't
answer
for
for
the
government,
so
I
I
will
I
I
will
follow
up
and
get
clarification
of
that
specific
point,
and
I
understand
the
point
councilor
carter
is
making,
which
is
you
know,
which
is
concerning
the
the
current
review
that
the
government
are.
You
know
undertaking,
so
we
will
we'll
get
an
answer
to
that,
but
my
on
my
understanding
is
at
the
moment
that
we're
going
into
this
process
on
the
basis
of
what
exists
at
the
moment.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
council
galton,
any
comments
from
you
at
this
stage.
E
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
First
of
all,
apologies
for
lateness
in
terms
of
the
revised
agreement
that
has
come
back
and
councilor
carter's
questions
about
whether
or
not
our
deal
will
be
subject
to
change.
E
Well,
the
document
that
came
back
just
emphasized
how
much
this
deal
is
very
one-sided,
and
if
westminster
decides
to
change
the
rules
on
the
pitch,
then
we
have
to
change
accordingly.
In
terms
of
why
we
have
had
our
spatial
powers
taken
away
in
the
revised
document.
That's
come
back.
E
I
was
talking
to
colleagues
in
greater
manchester
and
they've
spent
months
and
months
and
months
exercising
the
joint
spatial
planning
that
we
were
meant
to
have
as
a
model
and
they're
fearful
that
all
the
work
that
they
would
have
done
jointly
as
local
authorities
will
come
to
naught
when
the
generic
planning
for
the
future
proposals
come
forward.
E
And
it's
sort
of
been
made
very
emphatically
the
case
in
the
cover
letter
that
came
to
us,
which
was
all
right,
we'll
take
out
your
spanning
special
planning
powers,
because
we
haven't
quite
decided
what
we're
going
to
do
nationally
anyway,
and
in
terms
of
that,
we
want
to
have
our
planning
decided
locally
and
not
on
a
west
yorkshire
fashion.
We
could
have
that
taken
away
and
it
could
be
a
westminster
fashion.
So
this
is
this
is
an
agreement
which
has
been
reached,
which
is
very
one-sided.
E
As
I
said,
it's
disappointing
in
terms
of
some
of
the
constrictions
that
it
places
on
us
as
a
as
a
local
west,
yorkshire
community.
That
wants
to
do
more
for
itself
and
is
indeed
a
list
of
delegations,
as
opposed
to
a
list
of
devolution
powers
by
right
and
and
that
answers
and
andrew
carter's
question,
which
is
whatever
we
agree
right
now.
E
It
depends
on
the
good
will
of
government
to
continue
working
that
way,
and
it
is
what
it
is
and-
and
I
expect
that
the
police
and
crime
issues
that
council
accountable,
raises
and
are
perfectly
legitimate
to
raise,
because
it
is
a
bit
of
a
mess
in
terms
of
the
governance
between
what
currently
happens
with
the
police
and
crime.
Commissioner,
and
what
might
happen
under
a
deputy
mayor
for
policing.
E
It's
one
of
those
things
that
will
develop
over
time,
and
I
think
it's
up
to
us
to
put
that
pressure
forward
in
terms
of
the
model
that
we
want
it
to
take.
And
I
know
that
councillor
haran,
for
instance,
as
the
lead
on
scrutiny
and
the
combined
authority
is
very
serious
about
ensuring
that
that
coterminosity
of
scrutiny
is
there
for
the
mayor
and
whoever
they
appoint
as
their
deputy
for
policing.
E
So
I
have
faith
in
that
evolutionary
approach,
but
I
don't
have
faith
in
the
government
actually
sticking
to
the
deal
that
it
makes.
B
Okay,
well,
I
think
that
the
points
you
raise
will
continue
to
be
the
subject
of
hot
debate
as
we
move
forward
in
in
discussing
the
future
of
devolution
across
the
country.
I
don't
think
that
has
been
settled
by
this
deal
at
all.
There
are
still
huge
questions
that
that
need
to
be
need
to
be
asked
and
unanswered.
D
But
yes,
yes,
chair
just
on
the
on
the
issue
of
the
divided
evolution
debate,
the
evolution
white
paper,
of
course,
which
should
have
come
out
in
in
this
autumn,
is
now
not
coming
out
till
late
spring.
We
understand,
but
at
that
stage
we
will
of
course
be
able
to
pass
comment
on
where
we
think
devolution
should
go
from
here.
So
this
has
always
been
this.
The
starting
point.
D
D
Is
he
now
saying
that,
in
view
of
his
conversation
with
heaven
knows
who
in
manchester,
he
actually
doesn't
agree
that
planning
powers
should
be
kept
locally?
Does
he
not
welcome
the
fact
that
we
will
have
another
bite
at
the
cherry
when
whatever
the
white
paper
turns
into
is
made
public?
D
Because
he's
left
me
asking
the
question:
did
he
yet
again
vote
for
something
he
subsequently
now
doesn't
agree
with.
B
B
C
Yeah
just
to
confirm
my
rather
rambling
answer
to
where
councillor
carter's
question
was
was
actually
right,
but
in
a
more
succinct
way
my
colleague
has
helped
if
the
home
office
review
brings
changes
that
will
apply
here.
B
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
specific.
You
wanted
an
answer
for
council
goldston.
Is
there
no
okay?
So
with
those
remarks
can
we
all
approve
the
recommendation
and
look
forward
to
the
debate
on
thursday.