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B
A
A
B
Thank
you
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
this
remote
hearing
of
the
licensing
subcommittee.
My
name
is
councillor.
Jess,
lennox
and
I'll
be
sharing
today's
briefing
at
hearing
and
before
I
proceed
further,
could
I
remind
everybody
that
today's
meeting
is
being
live
streamed
on
the
city
council's
youtube
channel?
Could
I
ask
the
following
members
of
the
subcommittee
to
introduce
themselves
please
linda.
B
Thank
you
and
as
discussed
as
just
the
two
of
us
this
morning,
I'd
like
to
start
today's
start
the
hearing
today
by
confirming
that
this
meeting
of
the
licensing
subcommittee
meets
the
requirements
of
the
council's
constitution.
Even
though
members
of
the
panel
are
in
remote
attendance,
while
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed,
as
is
usual,
remote
attendance
requires
a
few
slight
changes
as
to
how
I
will
manage
the
debate.
B
Therefore,
can
all
attendees
please
mute
their
microphones
unless
they
invite
them
to
speak.
This
will
avoid
disruption
from
background
noise
and
can
all
participants
please,
where
possible,
keep
their
cameras
on
during
the
hearing,
and
all
participants
will
be
invited
to
introduce
themselves
at
the
start
of
the
hearing,
to
make
it
clear
to
public
observers
who
will
be
involved
in
the
proceedings,
and
I
ask
for
your
assistance
and
patience
while
we
go
through
this
process.
E
B
A
You
chester
under
agenda
item
number
two.
There
are
no
appeals
against
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
under
agenda
item
number
three:
there
are
no
exempt
items
under
agenda
item
number
four:
there
are
no
formal
late
items
and
agenda
number
five
police
can
ask
members
to
declare
any
disposable
pecuniary
interests.
I
B
D
Our
usual
time
limit
is
15
minutes
per
party,
and
the
applicant
may
wish
to
split
their
allocation
between
their
initial
presentation
and
their
response
to
the
other
parties,
for
example,
10
minutes
initially
in
five
minutes.
At
the
end,
can
I
just
ask
the
parties,
starting
with
carmel
brennan,
whether
you
think
15
minutes
will
be
sufficient
for
your
presentation
today.
F
D
D
If
any
party
feels
that
there's
a
crucial
question
that
needs
to
be
asked
and
answered,
please
do
not
ask
the
person
directly,
but
instead
make
a
request
to
the
chair.
Who
will
determine
whether
or
not
the
question
should
be
put
parties
may
request
permission
to
call
witnesses.
Can
I
ask
if
any
of
the
parties
wish
to
call
a
witness
today.
D
D
D
Oh,
thank
you
it'd
be
helpful
when
referring
to
documents
to
identify
which
document
you're,
referring
to
by
the
page
number,
and
please
note
that
your
presentation
is
your
only
opportunity
to
address
the
subcommittee
there's
no
further
right
to
sum
up
your
case
other
than
the
applicant.
So
you
need
to
make
sure
that
you've
said
everything
that
you
wish
to
say
and
have
taken
into
account
in
your
presentation.
D
D
Once
this
point
is
reached,
members
of
the
committee
will
go
into
a
private
session
and
if
they
have
any
additional
questions,
to
ask
they'll
return
to
the
main
meeting
to
ask
those
questions
and
then
finally
return
into
private
session
to
make
their
decision
I'd.
Ask
that
all
parties
remain
in
the
meeting
room
until
they're
actually
asked
to
leave
all
the
parties
will
be
informed
once
the
hearing
has
ended
and
will
be
advised
the
decision
in
writing
within
five
working
days
of
today.
D
J
E
Yeah,
of
course
thank
you
chair,
so
this
is
in
relation
to
an
application
submitted
on
behalf
of
the
license
in
authority
to
review
the
premises
license
held
by
mr
binium
for
bob's
bar
and
restaurant.
Three
sheepsky
street
leads
ls7
the
the
application
to
review
the
premises.
License
was
submitted
on
the
8th
of
march
2021
and
it
is
made
on
the
grounds
of
the
prevention
of
primary
disorder,
the
prevention
of
public
nuisance
and
the
protection
of
children
from
armed.
E
The
application
provides
a
chronology
of
events
leading
up
to
the
review
being
made,
which
stars
starts
on
page
15
onwards,
the
chronology
documents,
the
complaints
incidents
which
have
been
investigated
by
elite
city,
council's
licensing
authority
policy,
council's
environmental
protection
team
and
also
west
yorkshire,
police
and
further
information.
In
addition
to
that,
which
has
already
been
mentioned,
has
been
provided
by
the
licensing
authority,
which
consists
of
witness
statements
and
evidence
of
attempts
by
the
senior
liaison
and
enforcement
officer
to
contact
the
license
holder
during
the
review
period.
E
This
information
can
be
found
at
appendix
b
on
page
85
of
the
report,
so
the
licensing
issue
can
be
noted
at
point.
2
of
the
report,
which
gives
information
on
the
revocation
of
a
past
premise
license
that
these
premises
had
the
benefit
from
at
that
time
the
premises
were
known
as
paradise
bar
and
the
license
was
revolt
following
a
summer
review,
which
was
sought
by
west
yorkshire
police.
E
E
B
F
F
F
I
explained
on
each
occasion
the
importance
of
complying
with
his
new
license
as
a
potential
result
of
being
found
guilty
of
an
offense
under
section.
136
of
the
licensing
act
can
be
an
unlimited,
fine
and
or
six
months
imprisonment.
That's
how
serious
it
is
yet.
I
can
continue
to
receive
complaints
from
two
separate
complainants
that
the
premises
was
open
into
the
early
hours
of
the
morning
on
most
weekends.
F
F
F
F
F
F
This
was
in
clear
contravention
of
the
10
pm
closure
and
in
contravention
of
a
conversation
that
we
had
had
about
friends
becoming
about
customers
becoming
friends
after
permitted
hours
versus
on
the
first
weekend
when
it
opened
on
the
5th
of
november.
The
country
was
placed
into
a
second
lockdown
for
28
days.
F
After
that
28
days,
the
prime
minister
announced
a
tear
system
of
reopening.
However
leeds
was
placed
in
tier
3,
which
still
allowed
only
take
away
food
and
drink
from
licensed
premises
from
on
licensed
premises.
Sorry
on
the
4th
of
january
2021,
we
were
placed
in
a
third
lockdown
due
to
the
number
of
the
coronavirus
cases
rising
rapidly
across
the
country,
for
example,
at
that
time,
in
leeds
the
infection
rates
for
corona
virus
had
jumped
from
190
per
100
000
on
the
1st
of
january
to
290
cases
per
100
000
on
the
6th
of
january.
F
F
Yet,
on
the
25th
of
january,
at
half
past
midnight
police
again
were
called
to
bob's
bar.
There
was
evidence
of
people
drinking
and
smoking
shisha
in
the
premises
that
should
not
have
been
open
at
all
as
a
result,
both
in
him
as
the
premises
licensed
holder
and
mr
ander
marion,
the
dps
were
served
with
prohibition,
notices
and
fixed
penalty
notices
under
the
coronavirus
legislation,
as
police
officers
mentioned
in
your
extension
to
the
side
of
the
bar
into
the
ad.
I
referred
this
matter
to
lead
city
council
planning
enforcement
before
he
got
his
premises.
F
F
However,
between
getting
his
license
in
november
2019
and
all
through
the
pandemic,
he
has
never
rung
me
to
say
carmel,
it's
my
birthday
next
week.
I
know
I'm
supposed
to
be
closed,
but
would
it
be
all
right
if
I
had
a
few
friends
around
at
the
bar,
he
hasn't
rung
me
because
he
knew
what
the
answer
would
be.
F
Entertainment
license
has
emailed
or
posted
out
clear
briefing
notes
to
all
premises,
licence
holders
at
each
stage
the
coronavirus
regulations
have
changed.
There
have
been
links
to
the
legislation
as
well
as
information
on
obtaining
government
grants.
I
have
included
just
one
example
in
the
review
application.
F
B
B
D
B
C
You
say
that
he
hasn't
contacted
you.
The
license
holder
hasn't
contacted
you
as
often
since
his
premises
license
was
granted.
What
have
they?
What
has
the
contacts
been
other
than
the
recent
ones
asking
about
why
this
review
is
taking
place?
Has
there
been
contact
to
gain
support
or
advice
and
guidance
as
to
how
to.
F
Proceed
that
there
has
there
has
been
communication
during
the
pandemic,
but
it
has
been
more
one-sided.
I've
been
contacting
him
in.
I
think
it
was
in
october.
I
did
contact
him.
We
we
had
on
the
2nd
of
october,
no
sorry
yeah,
the
2nd
of
october.
We
had
received
a
complaint
that
from
a
person
who
had
attended
the
premises
and
had
noticed
quite
a
number
of
breaches
of
coronavirus
legislation
regarding
spacing
regarding
condiments
people
gathering
and
and
the
shisha
smoking.
F
So
I
I
contacted
binium
and
I
actually
sent
him
quite
a
lengthy
email
explaining
what
he
should
be
doing
and
how
he
should
be
looking
after
his
customers,
the
qr
code,
the
test
and
trace
the
face
coverings.
I
was
also
concerned
about
the
shisha
and
smoking
inside
so
that
that
contact
was
initiated
by
me
as
a
result
of
a
complaint.
So
I
emailed
him.
Actually
it's
it's.
It
is
in
within
my
review
application,
a
briefing
note
and
and
posters
about
qr
code
that
had
literally
been
sent
out
that
week.
F
F
He
hasn't
contacted
me
when
he's
received
prohibition
notices.
He
didn't
contact
on
the
first
occasion.
He
didn't
contact
me
after
he
received
the
second
prohibition
notice
and
the
fixed
penalty
notices
he
didn't
get
in
touch
or
he
didn't
get
in
touch.
You
know,
like
the
summer
operators
will,
if
they've
had
a
visit
from
the
police,
they
will
either
either
email
you
or
they'll,
be
on
the
phone
to
you
saying:
oh
carmel,
I've
done
this.
I've
been
a
bit
silly.
I
thought
it
would
be
out,
you
know
and
explain.
F
B
G
G
G
G
G
It's
this
reason
that
west
yorkshire
police
support
the
application
made
by
entertainment,
licensing
for
a
review
and
would
ask
for
a
full
revocation
as
a
person
present.
Each
time
is
the
license.
Holder,
he's
the
problem
and
that's
everything.
I've
got
to
say
everything
else.
I've
submitted
in
my
application
and
is
in
the
three
officer
statements.
I've
submitted.
C
G
Yeah
yeah
so
prior
to
covered
there
were
there
were
allegations
of
them
going
beyond
their
hours,
which
resulted
in
as
wanting
to
view
cctv,
which
was
part
of
the
license
condition
and
the
cctv
was
not
compliant,
which
meant
that
we
couldn't
prove
or
disprove
that
allegation.
And
then
the
three
officer
statements
are
all
in
relation
to
covered
regulations.
Where
they've
been
going
beyond
the
hours
permitted
during
lockdown.
H
H
As
carmel
says,
we
went
into
formal
lockdown
on
the
26th
of
march
last
year
and
that
effectively
shut
down
hospitality
and
then
on
the
15th
of
june
we
received
an
environmental
protection,
an
email
concerned,
an
email
chain.
It
came
from
the
police
and
then
on
from
licensing
officers
had
investigated
bob's
bar
where
it
had
been
open.
Officers
arrived
at
2am.
There
was
loud
music
more
than
six
people
in
the
bar
earlier
people
hiding
in
the
cellar.
H
Apparently,
so
the
the
information
was
put
forward
to
the
office
at
that
time,
carl
sheldon.
He
looked
at
the
regulations
at
that
time
for
covid
and
he
determined
that
it
warranted
serving
a
prohibition
order.
So
private
schneider
was
served
on.
Mr
binium
kyle
sent
an
email
to
binion,
so
he
was
aware.
They'd
received
it
at
the
prohibition
order.
It
was
served
in
the
past
as
as
to
be
legally
compliant.
H
He
got
advice
from
that,
as
I've
said,
and
then
on
the
fifth
of
november,
the
second
lockdown
we
went
into
the
second
national
lockdown
that
ended
on
the.
Let
me
think
on
the
second
of
december,
and
then
we
went
into
the
tier
regulations,
so
the
regulatory
framework
was
changing
constantly
last
year,
as
the
politicians
adapted
to
karli
and
and
the
the
rate
of
infection
on
the
third
lockdown
hospitality
again
was
restricted.
H
That
was
on
the
6th
6th
of
january
and
on
the
24th
of
january
we
got
further
information
from
the
police.
The
police
had
visited
the
premises
again
and
found
that
it
was
open
in
breach
of
the
regulations
now
as
a
restricted
business.
It
shouldn't
have
been
open
based
on
the
evidence
that
was
presented
to
us,
which
was
quite
significant.
H
It
was
allocated
to
me,
so
I
didn't
mention
that
I
I
looked
at
the
evidence
and
it
justified
the
serving
of
a
prohibition
order
under
the
new
regulations.
One
had
been
served
on
the
previous
regulations,
but
they'd
since
been
phased
out.
So,
with
the
changing
legislation,
the
new
legislation
said
we
could
serve
a
prohibition
order,
but
also
as
a
restricted
business.
H
H
H
I
think
the
notice
was
just
on
the
thursday
and
on
the
following
monday
for
me
clearly
very
upset.
So
I
did
not
sleep
slept
all
weekend
concerned
about
the
amount
of
the
fine
said
it
would
pay
it,
but
it
was.
You
know
it
really
upsetting
that
it
being
fined
so
yeah.
That's
where
environmental
protection
dealt
with
with
the
premises.
We
we
just
looked
at
the
evidence
and
the
regulatory
framework
that
we
have
for
coverage
safety
and
we
applied
that
I've.
H
B
H
Personally,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
other
premises
that
we've
had
to
deal
with
in
this
way,
but
it
would
be
my
service
manager
that
would
allocate
that
that
work
and
she
would
have
more
of
an
understanding
of
the
type
of
complaints
that
are
coming
so
yeah.
But
personally,
I'm
not
aware
talking
to
other
officers
that
we've
had
to
take
this
level
of
enforcement
on
so
many
other
premises.
B
I
J
J
I
spent
a
lot
of
money
on
the
premise
to
bring
it
to
the
usable
condition.
Most
of
the
money
I
put
in
the
premise
was
borrowed
from
friends
and
people.
I
know
on
top
of
the
saving
I
had.
I
knew
from
the
outset
that
I
had
to
work
hard
not
only
to
generate
business
profit,
but
also
to
pay
back
the
loan
I
took
from
friends.
J
J
J
J
I
read
somewhere
of
the
reported
cases
you
sent
me
in
many
of
the
occasions
I
told
the
authorities
visited
my
premises.
I
was
not
trading.
I
was
with
some
friends
who
helped
me
to
decorate
and
refurbish
the
business
premises
in
my
culture.
If
someone
helped
you
for
free,
you
thank
them
by
offering
a
drink
and
food.
This
was
what
I
was
doing.
J
J
J
J
J
B
D
D
I
J
I
Very
much
for
giving
me
this
chance
again
the
one
what
I
say
after
my
brother,
he
reading
our
spock
to
be
honest,
I'm
hundred
two
hundred
percent
guaranteed
and
never
sell
anything
alcohol
or
sushi
in
the
building.
The
wonder
problem.
What
I
had
with
my
well,
my
wife
problem.
I
didn't
see
for
ages
with
my
kids.
I
spoke
to
his
camera.
This
one
I
just
told
her.
Is
I'm
a
crying
that
time
she
said
to
me?
I
Sorry,
bina,
right
after
that
I
can't
see
my
kidneys
and
then
I
didn't
see
it's
like
my
my
wife
or
ages,
and
then
I
feel
so
hurt
people.
They
come
in
friends,
they
helping
me
and
then
they
say
to
me:
okay,
this
is
no
problem,
because
when
I
spend
money
I
just
borrow
him
for
people
and
then
for
hsbc
as
well
nearly
21
000
pounds.
That
means
like
I
can
afford
the
next
10
years
this
one.
I
This
is
probably
a
big
problem.
That's
why
I
always
had
agree
with
my
wife
right,
so
I
never
said
anything
drinks
in
the
building.
This
is
my
point,
the
first
things
but
the
way
of
whatever
you
say
to
me.
I
accept
it
because
I
regret
my
case
then
I'll
pass
to
my
brother.
Okay,
do
you
understand
me?
I
wish.
B
C
Thank
you
for
that,
and
thank
you
for
the
statement
that
you
read
out
and
you
know
explaining
the
context
in
which
you
see
the
events
that
happened
and
I'm
just
curious,
though,
if
you
were
aware
of
the
licensing
objectives,
what
was
expected
from
you
as
the
person
who
held
the
license,
why
then
did
so
early
in
your
license?
Holding
did
you
choose
to
have
these
friends
around
late
at
night
because
you
must
have
known,
even
if
you
wanted
to
repay
their
hospitality
their
money
lending
all
of
those
positive
things.
C
C
I
Yeah
he
just
explained
me
my
brother,
you
know
what,
because
that
times
like,
I
can't
stay
in
my
home,
because
I've
got
had
a
big
problem.
No,
it's
not
normal!
It's
a
very
big
problem,
so
I
can't
stay
in
my
home
because
you
keep
agree
with
my
wife
and
then
they
listen.
My
kids
have
got
two
kids
young.
I
don't
want
to
listen
to
anything
between
me
and
my
wife,
so
I'm
really
the
pleasure
that
time
so
I'm
going
to
the
restaurant.
I
I
B
Thank
you
for
explaining
everything
and
your
position
and
and
providing
your
statements.
I
don't
actually
have
any
further
questions.
It
may
be
the
case
that
we
do
have
further
questions
after
we've
started
our
deliberations,
but
at
the
minute
I
feel
like
we've
had
a
full
representation
from
everybody.
So
far,
so
in
that
case,
did
we
say
that
the
that
the
responsible
authorities
were
having
further
time
to
sum
up.
F
F
F
I
do
not
see
the
benefit
of
modified,
modifying
or
adding
any
more
as
benimah's
proved
time
and
again
he
cannot
comply
with
the
ones
he
already
has
you.
You
may
exclude
a
licensable
activity.
Obviously,
the
most
important
is
the
retail
sale
of
alcohol
with
recorded
music
and
late
night
refreshment,
as
ancillary
as
my
colleague
has
explained.
The
dps
has
already
resigned
from
this
license,
so
at
this
moment
in
time
there
is
no
facility
for
the
retail
sale
of
alcohol.
F
However,
should
binium
nominate
a
new
person,
then
he
would
be
able
to
continue
selling
alcohol.
You
may
remove
the
dps,
as
I've
stated.
Mr
ander
mariam
has
already
removed
himself.
After
being
notified
of
the
review,
you
may
suspend
the
license
for
a
period
not
exceeding
three
months
again,
I'm
afraid
evidence
has
shown
that
billion
can't
remain
closed
when
the
whole
country
has
been
placed
in
lockdown.
B
I
I
I
J
J
C
B
I
believe
we've
got
everyone
back,
okay,
so
thank
you
very
much
for
waiting
everybody
and
we
don't
have
any
further
questions
for
anybody.
Therefore,
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
attendance-
and
that
concludes
the
business
of
today's
licensing
subcommittee
and
you
will
all
be
informed
of
the
decision
in
writing
within
five
working
days.