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A
B
Thanks
tasha,
okay,
good
morning,
everyone
welcome
to
this
remote
hearing
of
the
licensing
subcommittee.
B
My
name
is
councillor.
Andy
hutcherson
I'll,
be
today's
chair
for
the
hearing.
Before
I
proceed
further,
could
I
remind
everyone
that
today's
meeting
is
being
streamed,
live
on
the
city
council's
youtube
channel?
Could
I
also
ask
members
of
the
subcommittee
to
introduce
themselves?
We
have
councillor
ben
ghana.
A
Hi
everyone
councillor
bengal
board,
member
for
arsene,
webernet,.
B
Thank
you.
I
would
like
to
start
the
hearing
today
by
confirming
that
this
meeting
of
the
licensing
subcommittee
meets
the
requirements
of
the
council's
constitution.
Even
though
members
of
the
panel
are
in
remote
attendance,
while
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed
as
a
usual
remote
attendance
requires
a
few
slight
changes
and
of
how
we
manage
the
debate.
B
Therefore,
can
I
all
attendees
mute
their
microphone
unless
I
invite
them
to
speak,
this
will
avoid
disruption
from
background
noise
and
can
all
participants
please
keep
their
cameras
on
during
the
hearing,
and
all
participants
will
be
invited
to
introduce
themselves
at
the
start
of
the
hearing
to
make
it
clear
to
public
observers
who
will
be
involved
in
the
proceedings.
B
I
ask
for
your
assistance
and
patience
while
going
through
this
process.
Could
I
now
invite
officers
to
introduce
themselves
your
microphone
once
you
have
introduced
yourself,
we'll
start
with
rob
brown
from
legal
services.
E
Good
morning
everybody
matthew
nelson
from
licensing
and
today
I'm
supported
by
samantha
longfellow
pinnacle.
Thank
you.
B
B
Okay,
thanks
very
much
and
then
could
I
also
now
ask
the
objectors
to
the
application
to
introduce
themselves.
I
believe
we've
got
a
dr
katie
nolan.
H
H
B
Okay,
thanks
steve
and
then
now
could
I
ask
the
clerk
please
if
we
can
go
through
agendum
items,
two
to
five,
please
yeah.
Thank.
A
A
Some
supplementary
information,
including
a
food
and
wine
list,
has
been
sent
to
all
parties
and
published
on
the
council's
website
and
under
agenda
item
number
five.
Could
I
ask
members
if
they
have
any
disposable
bikini
interest
to
declare.
B
Thanks:
latasha,
okay,
so
here
we
have
the
agenda
item
number
six,
which
is
the
application
for
the
grants
of
a
premises
license
for
delhiosa.
Have
I
pronounced
that
correctly?
B
Yep
deliziosa
of
138
harrogate
road
leads
ls7
for
nz.
Could
I
ask
the
legal
advisor
to
the
subcommittee
to
outline
the
procedure
for
today's
hearing?
Please.
D
D
Our
usual
procedure
for
this
type
of
application
is
that
the
applicant
addresses
the
committee
first
and
then
any
other
parties
who
indicated
an
intention
to
speak
at
the
hearing,
would
then
address
the
committee
and
then
the
applicant
has
the
chance
to
respond
to
anything
said
by
other
parties.
In
this
case
it'd
be
the
applicant's
representative.
I
assume
I
suggest
that
the
the
other
representation,
the
other
parties,
I
think
we've
got
d,
marshall
and
joanne
gill.
D
I
Could
you
say
join
the
first?
If
that's
okay,.
I
D
Okay,
in
making
its
determination,
the
subcommittee
will
consider
what's
appropriate
and
proportionate
to
promote
the
licensing
objectives,
namely
one
the
prevention
of
crime
and
disorder,
two
public
safety,
three,
the
prevention
of
public
nuisance
for
the
protection
of
children
from
harm
and
the
regulations
permit
the
subcommittee
to
set
a
time
limit
on
presentations,
provided
that
the
same
time
limit
is
applied
to
all
parties.
D
The
usual
time
limit
is
15
minutes
per
party,
and
the
applicant
may
wish
to
spit
their
allocation
between
their
initial
presentation
and
the
response
to
to
the
other
party,
for
example,
10
minutes
initially
in
five
minutes
at
the
end,
can
I
ask
mr:
do
you
feel
that
you
might
need
any
longer
than
15
minutes.
F
I
don't
think
so:
it's
a
straightforward
application,
I
think,
and
we
should
be
able
to
do
it
in
10
minutes
in
application
and
then
just
a
few
minutes.
To
sum
up,
should
anything
come
up
in
the
objectives
representations?
Thank
you.
D
Okay
and
joanne
gill,
do
you
feel
that
15
minutes
would
suffice.
D
B
D
Please
note
that
we
do
not
permit
cross-examination
in
sub-committee.
If
any
party
feels
there's
a
crucial
question
that
needs
to
be
asked
and
answered.
D
D
You
should
all
have
the
same
original
pact,
consisting
of
a
main
bundle
numbered
to
88
and
a
supplementary
document
pack
of
eight
pages,
which
I
think's
the
the
menu
has
anybody
got
a
different
number
of
pages
in
their
pack.
No.
D
It'd
be
helpful
when
referring
to
documents
to
identify
which
document
you're,
referring
to
by
the
page
number
additional
documents
may
now
only
be
tabled
with
the
consent
of
all
the
parties.
Are
there
any
other
documents
which
any
party
wishes
to
refer
to
today,
nope
shaking
heads?
D
Please
note
that
your
presentation
is
your
only
opportunity
to
address
the
subcommittee,
so
you
need
to
make
sure
that
you've
included
in
your
presentation,
everything
that
you
wish
to
say
and
have
taken
into
account
after
the
parties
have
made
their
presentations
and
after
any
questions,
the
subcommittee
will
go
into
a
private
session
and
if
members
have
any
additional
questions
to
ask,
they
will
return
to
the
meeting
to
ask
those
questions.
D
B
B
Yeah,
I
think
I'm
guessing
another
giant
gill
in
the
anton
antonino
solaris
duplicates
over
there,
but
that's
fine,
excellent
yeah
thanks
a
lot
robert.
Could
I
invite
the
licensing
officer
please
to
present
the
application.
E
E
So,
in
summary,
the
application
is
for
the
sale
by
retail
of
alcohol
to
take
place
every
day
from
7
am
until
11
pm
and
there
there
are
proposed
non-standard
timings
on
christmas
eve
and
new
year's
eve
to
trade
until
1am
the
following
morning.
E
Further
details
on
the
operating
schedule
can
be
found
in
the
copy
of
the
application
form
which
is
attached
to
appendix
a
on
page
11
of
the
report,
and
this
also
include
these
steps.
The
applicant
is
offering
to
promote
the
licensing
objectives,
so
the
application
has
not
attracted
any
representations
from
responsible
authorities.
However,
it
has
attracted
a
total
of
30
representations
from
other
parties
which
remain
among
our
outstanding
members
consideration.
E
These
can
be
found
at
appendix
c
on
page
31
of
the
report
onwards,
and
they
include
a
joint
representation
by
all
three
ward
councillors,
which
is
number
one
in
the
agenda
pack
and
all
other
representations.
Number
two
to
30
are
from
members
of
the
public
stating
concerns
relating
largely
to
public
nuisance
issues.
E
F
Chair
members
of
the
panel,
thank
you
very
much.
Can
I
please
promote
this
application
on
behalf
of
anthony
solaris,
who
bizarrely
have
known
since
he
was
a
child?
F
The
cost
of
securing
these
premises
doing
all
of
the
renovation
works.
Building
the
conservatory
making
this
sound
is
costing
somewhere
in
the
in
the
region
of
a
million
pounds
to
get
these
premises
open
for
what
will
be
a
family-run
business.
F
The
applicant's
mother
is
primarily
involved
in
creating
the
menu.
His
daughter
is
also
going
to
be
working
at
the
premises
and
he
has
lived
in
chapel,
allerton
and
the
surrounding
area,
since
he
moved
over
from
italy
from
verona
where
his
family
live
across
to
chapel
allison.
So
he
knows
the
area
particularly
well.
F
Now
these
premises
are
going
to
offer
everything
that
you
would
expect
from
these
quality
type
premises.
You
can
he's
hoping
to
attract
business.
People
to
come
in
there'll,
be
wi-fi.
You
can
sit
there
screw
in
the
day
and
have
a
coffee.
There
will
be
a
quality
wine
list
which
we've
put
the
rough
workings
of
and
a
quality
menu
for
people
who
want
to
sit
in
the
premises.
F
He
had
a
public
meeting
to
explain
what
he
wanted
to
do
before
the
original
planning
application,
because
this
was
originally
residential
property.
So
it
had
to
be
granted
planning
permission
and
I
think
you'll
be
comforted
to
know
that
the
planning
permission
granted
is
a1a3,
so
it
can
be
a
restaurant,
an
alcohol-led
bar
as
would
be
needed
in
a4
planning
permission
and
he's
tried
to
engage
all
of
the
residents
in
the
area.
Unfortunately,
there's
been
a
level
of
local
concern
that
there
could
be
a
public
nuisance
created.
F
You
will
have
read
in
a
lot
of
the
papers,
a
suggestion
that
there
could
be
noise
potential,
drunken
behavior
of
people
leaving
the
premises,
and
I
would
hope,
chair
that
you
would
accept-
and
members
of
the
panel
once
you've
read
all
of
the
papers
and
listen
to
the
submissions
that
there
is
a
robust
operating
schedule.
That's
been
put
together,
which
would
create
conditions
on
the
premises
license
to
give
the
residents
comfort.
F
Noise,
nuisance
issues,
but
obviously
there
are
nervousness,
created,
nerves
created
through
the
residence,
and
I
just
point
out
that
there
isn't
going
to
be
any
use
of
the
outside
areas
after
2100
hours,
so
that
there
would
be
not
used
after
nine
o'clock
in
negotiations
with
the
police,
we've
offered
26
a
minimum
of
26
tables
and
75
seats
in
the
premises.
It's
going
to
be
obviously
restaurant
style
operation
with
weight
of
waitress
service,
and
there
is
a
current
planning
application
to
just
extend
the
hours
at
the
moment.
F
Agreement
in
that
planning
application
with
your
officer
is
that
there
would
be
no
access
or
egress
from
regent
street
through
back
allergen,
terrace
after
nine
o'clock,
so
the
the
gates
there
would
be
locked
and
closed
from
nine
o'clock.
F
So
if
you
were
feeling
that
that
was
something
that
should
be
also
placed
on
the
premises
license
as
a
condition,
then
we
would
be
very
happy
for
that
to
be
an
additional
condition,
press
that
placed
on
the
premises
license
because,
as
you
can
see,
there
is
some
concern
suggested
that
that
there
could
be
nuisance
created
from
the
rear
of
the
premises.
So
from
nine
o'clock.
The
front
door
on
the
main
road
would
be
the
only
access
in
and
out
of
the
premises.
F
So
again,
to
reiterate,
alcohol
is
not
going
to
be
a
primary
reason
for
visiting
these
premises.
They
are
going
to
be
for,
for
the
whole
food
led,
modest
hours,
fabulous
introduction
in
addition
to
quality
italian
produce
imported
directly
from
italy.
One
of
the
other
issues
is
that
there
is
a
waste
management
plan
being
agreed
so
that
there
can't
be
collection
of
any
waste
and
any
anything
that
caused
a
nuisance
to
the
residents
during
hours,
where
that
would
cause
a
problem.
F
I
think
it's
important
just
to
have
a
look
at
the
alcohol.
That's
going
to
be
on
offer
no
draft
beers,
it's
the
kind
of
alcohol
that
you
would
be
wanting
to
have
a
either
a
gin
and
tonic
pre-meal
or
a
glass
of
wine
bottle
of
wine
with
the
meal
that
you're
eating
or
if
you
want
to
just
come
in
and
have
a
glass
of
wine
or
a
glass
of
wine
and
some
nibbles,
that's
really
the
kind
of
style
of
operation
that
mr
solaris
wants
to
offer.
F
I
think
I've
seen
a
flyer
that's
gone
around,
which
has
been
a
little
bit
disingenuous
as
what
kind
of
operation
this
is
going
to
be,
but
there's
always
nervousness
or
there's
regularly
nervousness
with
premises
that
are
close
to
residential
property
and
you,
as
a
committee,
will
be
very
experienced
to
deal
with
it.
But
we
put
together
a
robust
operating
schedule.
F
I
think
I'll
be
repeating
myself
if
I
went
into
any
further
detail,
but
tony-
and
I
are
here
to
deal
with
any
questions
that
you
may
have,
or
other
members
of
the
committee
may
have
of
them,
but
we
would
suggest
that
in
all
of
the
circumstances,
these
premises
would
promote
the
licensing
objectives
and
certainly
the
the
one
that's
engaged
public
nuisance,
we're
doing
everything
to
make
sure
that,
through
the
style
of
operation,
the
conditions
and
the
way
that
the
premises
will
operate,
that
they
won't
have
an
impact
in
in
this
particular
area
of
chapel
allerton.
B
F
I
think
we
can,
if
you
have
any
questions,
that
you
would
wish
to
ask
of
him
he's
here,
but
we,
mr
solaris
and
I
have
met
on
four
or
five
occasions
now
to
discuss
this.
I
think
I
put
everything
he
wants
me
to
put
across,
but
he's
here
to
deal
with
any
specific.
B
Questions:
okay,
thanks
very
much
for
that.
So
what
would
members
would
they
prefer
to
ask
questions
now,
or
would
you
rather
listen
to
the
representation
from
the
objectives
and
then
address
all
questions
at
the
end.
A
Some
questions
now,
if,
if
that's
agreeable
and
it
might
help,
might
help
the
objectives
I
might
might
help
them
make
more
questions
from
the
objectives
as
well.
On
more
points.
A
Thank
you
thanks,
mr
well,
we've
said
about
especially
about
the
hours
I'm
saying
that
it'd
be
a
huge
addition
to
the
to
the
area,
but
I
wonder
about
especially
the
7am
hours
which
lots
of
residents
are
concerned
about
which
don't
seem
to
match
what
else
is
is
given
in
chapel
alatoma,
certainly,
the
the
evening
hours
are
earlier
than
some
of
the
other
licensed
premises
in
the
area,
but
it's
that
seven
a.m,
and
you
mentioned
those
are
modest
hours
as
well.
A
F
Muting,
myself
and
sorry
about
that
counselor
yeah,
it's
to
give,
I
mean,
obviously,
what's
being
sold
through
the
premises.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
high
risk
type
of
premises
from
7
a.m.
In
relation
to
the
alcohol
that's
being
sold,
it
would
be
for
somebody
who
was
perhaps
either
coming
back
from
work
or
having
to
do
the
shopping
on
the
way
to
work,
to
buy
a
bottle
of
wine
to
take
home
to
have
with
whatever
they
bought
from
the
premises.
F
It's
a
matter
for
the
committee,
obviously,
in
relation
to
the
timings
from
the
initial
sale
of
alcohol,
but
I
think
you
you
need
to
look
at
the
style
of
operation
and
what's
being
sold
here.
It's
certainly,
I
think,
not
comparable
to
other
premises
that
are
listed
in
annex
d
of
your
of
your
of
your
agenda
pack.
They
are
very,
very
specific
in
the
in
the
style
of
operation,
the
quality
that
would
be
for
sale
for
consumption
away
from
the
premises.
F
A
G
A
Yeah,
mr,
where
mentioned
the
waste
management
plan
and
so
just
wondering
what
hours
that
will
cover
whether
it's.
G
Yeah
well,
the
beans
they're
gonna
be
moved
in
a
short
time
of
the
day.
I
already
agree
with
one
of
the
company.
Basically,
so
it's
gonna
basically
be
between
eight
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
eight
o'clock
in
the
evening.
So
it's
not
gonna
happen
before
that
time
in
the
morning
and
after
that
time
in
the
evening,
so
I
think
that's
reasonable.
I
don't
think
that
during
that
time
is
gonna
basically
create
any
disturb
to
the
local.
B
F
If
I
could
just
come
in
on
that
point,
we
did
offer
a
condition
13
that
the
hours
would
be
between
oh
700
hours
in
the
morning
and
2300
hours,
but
as
you've
heard
from
mr
solaris,
he's
now
worked
up
his
waste
management
plan
and
perhaps
condition
13
should
the
license
be
granted
would
be
amended
to
read
between
the
hours
of
8
am
and
8
pm,
which
is
obviously
significantly
better
in
relation
to
anything
that
could
be
occasioned
for
the
residents
in
the
area.
B
Okay,
thanks
for
that
council
again,
do
you
have
any
more
questions
for
the
applicant.
C
C
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
So
the
first
question
is:
could
you
just
explain
a
bit
more
to
us
about
the
current
position
with
planning
what
you
currently
have.
F
Okay
councillor,
yes,
thank
you.
Sorry,
I
couldn't
hear
you
to
start
off
with
there,
but
the
the
the
the
premise,
the
planning
permission
that
has
been
granted
is
to
allow
the
premises
to
trade
as
an
a1
stroke,
a3
premises,
which
is
a
a
food
led
that
sell
alcohol.
So
if
it,
if
it
were
to
become
a
public
house,
it
would
need
a
four
as
a
planning
permission,
so
it
can
operate
the
way
that
we've
we've
asked
for
it
to
operate.
F
That's
going
to
be
heard
by
your
plans
panel
on
thursday
and
as
part
of
that,
an
agreement
has
been
reached
that
the
rear
door
from,
as
we
said,
the
rear
gate
won't
be
used
after
nine
o'clock
and
this
waste
management
plan,
which
mr
solaris
is
just
has
just
told
you
about,
means
that
the
officer
is
recommending
that
that
planning
application
variation
to
extend
the
hours
to
what
we're
asking
for
now
should
be
granted.
F
So
if
we
are
granted
the
license
today
and
the
planning
is
granted
on
thursday,
then
they
will
match
each
other,
obviously,
with
planning
and
licensing
they
run
under
separate
parallel
but
separate
tracks.
So
obviously
we
can't
get
them
both
heard
at
the
same
time.
That's
why
we've
applied
in
the
terms
that
we've
applied
today,
which
hopefully,
should
you
grant
the
license,
will
match
what
the
planning
permission
is
on
thursday.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
So
my
next
question
you've
referred
a
little
bit
to
the
building
work.
That's
going
on.
Could
you
just
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
the
current
position
with
that
in
terms
of
how
far
you've
got
with
the
conservatory
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
will
there
be
a
balcony,
etc?.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
council.
Yes,
the
conservatory
is
built,
the
outside
area
downstairs
is
still
being
landscaped
and
the
upstairs
balcony
area
is
complete.
The
premises
are
going
to
open
in
a
staged
opening
because
of
one
the
premises
needing
to
be
finished
and
two,
the
covid
restrictions
that
we
currently
have.
So
when
I
met
mr
solaris
last
week,
his
plan
now
is
to
open
initially
to
open
the
shop,
the
delicatessen
part
of
it
so
that
people
can
come
in
and
take
away
food.
F
That's
also
prepared,
so
you
could
go
in
and
buy
the
base
ingredients
from
the
shop
or
you
could
go
in
and
take
away
food.
His
initial
stage
because
of
his
concerns
in
relation
to
getting
the
covered
risk
assessments,
correct,
and
I
told
him
I'll
help
with
that-
is
that
people
won't
sit
and
eat
in
the
premises
anywhere.
That's
outside
or
inside.
Until
we've
got
to
a
position
where
we
know
where
we're
moving
a
little
bit
more
with
covered
restrictions
so
staged
opening
the
shop
will
open,
temporary
food
will
open.
F
The
premises
are
are
nearly
complete
in
relation
to
the
the
structure.
The
conservatory
is
built,
the
upstairs
balcony
is
fitted
out,
but
they're
not
going
to
be
open
initially
until
he
feels
that
he
can
do
so
properly
and
safely
under
covered
restrictions.
C
Sure,
okay,
thank
you.
A
further
question
actual
questions.
It
refers
on
your
application
to
a
minimum
of
26
tables.
Is
that
a
minimum?
If,
if
that's
the
minimum
watch,
what's
the
maximum
that
you
foresee.
F
I
think
in
relation
to
any
application,
when
you
go
into
negotiations
with
the
police,
they
want
to
so
obviously
there's
an
element
of
understanding.
What
the
original
offer
is
that
the
applicant
is
making,
but
there
is
this
phrase
which
I
don't
particularly
like,
which
is
called
future
proofing
a
license
to
make
sure
it
can't
become
something
that
it
isn't
when
the
police
agree
to
it.
F
So
I
think
the
police
were
comfortable
in
relation
to
the
numbers
that
would
be
using
these
premises
under
the
style
of
operation
that
it
would
be
with
mr
solaris's
venue.
But
what
they
want
always
to
do
is
to
put
a
minimum
number
of
tables
and
seats
on
it,
so
it
can't
become
primarily
a
drinking
establishment.
So
we've
assessed
that
that
that's
exactly
how
it
will
look,
so
those
numbers
are
the
numbers
and
there
isn't
a
maximum
or
a
minimum.
F
We've
we've
got
upstairs
in
the
front
of
the
premises,
a
very
large
table,
which
would
be
a
communal
table
where
people
would
sit
around
it
and
have
a
coffee
during
the
day
or
a
couple
of
people,
and
then
different
size
tables
downstairs
and
upstairs
twos,
fours
and
sixes.
But
those
are
in
real
terms
that
the
numbers
of
seats
that
would
be
on
offer
in
the
premises.
F
C
A
F
No,
that's
right.
I
think
I
think
we
we
need
to
just
understand
the
start
of
the
style
of
operation.
Here,
people
might
want
to
go
and
have
a
coffee
there
during
the
daytime.
They
might
want
to
go
and
have
some
lunch.
They
might
want
to
have
a
bottle
of
wine
with
that,
but
it
it
it's
it
it
it's
distinctly
through
the
way
that
it
will
operate
seated
food
will
be
a
major
component
part
of
it.
The
alcohol
is
very
much
ancillary
to
the
the
primary
nature
of
the
premises.
C
But
currently,
what
you're
asking
for
is
that
people
can
go
in
into
the
premises
and
order
just
alcohol
and
no
food
and
whether
permitting
they
could
actually
sit
at
the
rear
of
the
property
potentially
and
just
drip
and
just
drink
alcohol.
That
is
the
reality,
isn't
it.
That
is
what
you're
asking
for.
They
could
actually
do
that.
F
C
C
F
Yes,
but
I
I
think
what
one
has
to
consider
is
the
amount
of
investment
that's
being
undertaken
in
these
premises
and
the
need
to
create
an
environment.
That's
going
to
provide
a
return
on
investment.
It
would.
Mr
solaris
is
wanting
to
create
an
environment
where
you
or
I
would
want
to
go
and
be
a
customer,
and
he
certainly
will
not
be
creating
an
environment
where
people
would
behave
in
such
a
way
that
it
would
cause
the
nuisance
that
some
residents
are
concerned
about,
because
that
would
be
a
monumental
own
goal
at
the
premises.
F
It's
it's
very
nature.
Everything
is
agreeing
with.
Everybody
is
all
geared
up
to
create
premises
where
the
people
who
are
objecting
to
this
application,
hopefully
will
realize
it's
somewhere
that
they
would
like
to
go
and
have
a
nice
time.
C
Thank
you,
okay,
thank
you,
and
could
you
ask
my
final
question?
I
think
if
I
can
do
that,
chair.
C
G
G
C
B
B
B
Is
a
bit
of
background
noise
coming
from
yourself?
Sorry,
could
you
mute
yeah
thanks?
So
a
couple
of
questions
or
come
back
on
on
those
other
questions?
B
Would
would
the
applicant
consider
the
the
change
in
the
time
from
the
o700
to
maybe
a
later
time,
in
line
with
more
of
the
establishments
in
the
local
area?
I
think
a
lot
of
them
start
sort
of
at
10
o'clock,
somewhere
11
o'clock,
somewhere
12
o'clock
with
the
applicant,
consider
changing
the
0.700
to
a
later
time.
B
The
the
application
is
for
off
sales
from
0.700.
Oh,
I
wonder
if
you
would
consider,
as
part
of
a
condition
that
that
would
be
a
later
time.
Would
that
be
something
that
you'd
be
willing
to
look
at.
B
Is
there
any
particular
reason
why,
when
the
initial
planning
application
was
put
in
that
the
times
that
you're
applying
for
and
the
license
for
the
alcohol,
it
was
different
at
that
point
and
therefore
not
requiring
a
variation
to
the
planning
at
a
later
stage.
G
Well,
well,
to
be
honest,
I
I
was
thinking
about
to
have
an
article
license
since
the
beginning
of
the
application.
In
fact,
on
my
project,
I
had
a
wine
cellar
underneath
the
garden
basically,
but
then
it's
been
objected,
so
I
thought
I
keep
going
with
my
application
and
I'm
just
going
to
apply
for
the
ico
license
in
a
second
time,
because
I
wanted
to
get
around
with
all
the
work.
Obviously
another
another
things
and
obviously
is
being
involved
is
because
of
this
covered
situation.
I
mean
when
everything
came
out.
G
I
went
a
little
bit
in
panic
because
I
thought,
if
I'm
gonna
have
a
restriction
with
my
catheter
in
my
daily,
how
I'm
gonna
support
all
these
structure,
because
there's
been
a
massive
investment
on
it.
So
I
try
to
work
out
a
different
business
plan.
Then
it
could
help
me
to
support
myself
so
introducing
article.
But,
as
we
were
saying
my
my
idea
of
selling
alcohol
in
this
place
is
not
like
having
a
pub.
I
give
you
a
small
example
in
my
country
in
italy.
G
We
call
we
do
something
called
apperative
time,
which
is
something
then
it
goes
between
five
o'clock,
let's
say
in
the
afternoon
until
seven
o'clock
in
the
late
afternoon,
eight
okay,
which
is
a
sort
of
a
little
buffet
where
you
can
nibble
some
stuff
and
you
can
drink
a
glass
of
wine
or
you
can
clean
glass
or
prosecco.
So
that
was
more
my
idea,
I
don't
want
obviously
any
nuisance
inside
the
premises
I
as
a
as
a
as
a
director.
G
Obviously,
if
something
is
going
to
happen,
I
mean
I'd,
be
the
first
person
to
say:
I'm
really.
Sorry,
we
don't
want
this
kind
of
clients.
I
don't
want
drunk
people
inside
that.
What
I'm
trying
to
do
is
something
a
little
bit
more
in
bracket
classy,
which
it
doesn't
mean
that
it's
going
to
be
expensive
or
posh,
but
I
want
to
keep
a
very
high
standard
of
clients
inside.
If
you
know
what
I
mean.
B
Okay,
so
so
I
guess
what
he's
saying,
then
the
objections,
the
the
well.
I
guess
the
conditions
have
changed
since
when
you
put
the
planning
application
and
then
obviously
reconsidered
that
you
want
to
obviously
have
alcohol
for
longer.
G
Well,
they
massively
change,
especially
because
of
covered
situation,
yeah,
it
massively
changed.
So
my
business
plans
I
had
to
change
considering
the
big
amount
of
money,
then
obviously
I
put
inside
this
project,
I
mean
it's
a
project
and
it's
going
ahead
since
almost
a
couple
of
years
with
all
the
problems
that
I
had
in
between
the
neighborhood
with
council
with
everything.
So
I
mean
I
really
really
invest
a
lot
of
money.
I
need
to
have
a
return
I
need
to.
I
need
to
have
a
profit
now,
and
this
covered
situation
didn't
really
help.
G
To
be
honest,
so
I
really
needed
to
reconsider
my
business
plan
and
and
try
to
get
everything
where
I
can.
Obviously,
on
the
respect
of
my
neighborhood
and
everything,
that's
the
reason
why
I've
been
the
one
then
he
suggested
I
mean
I'm
not
gonna
allow
people
after
nine
o'clock
outside
the
premises,
because
I'm
I'm
aware
I
live
in
chapala,
I'm
part
of
this
community
I'm
aware
of
what
they
worry
about,
because
it's
not
nice
to
have.
G
B
Appreciate
that
yeah,
okay,
thanks
for
that,
mr
solaris,
do
what
members
have
any
other
questions
that
they'd
like
to
put
to
the
applicant.
A
No
chair,
I
was
going
to
ask
about
outside,
but
that's
just
been
answered
by
the
applicant.
So
that's
great.
H
Hi,
my
name
is
joanne
gill
and
I'm
a
resident
on
back
allison
terrace,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
development
and,
I
think,
probably
the
first.
H
The
first
point
is
that
the
license
being
438
harrogate
road
is
misleading,
so
harrogate
road
is
a
busy
road
which
is
used
by
lots
of
other
shops
and
things
like
that.
But
the
back
of
the
property,
where
you
have
a
balcony
and
you
have
the
seating
area
actually
goes
on
to
a
residential
area.
H
There
are
probably
about
20
25
properties
where
noise
will
carry
up,
and
I
think
the
main
things
that
we
are
concerned
about
I'm
sort
of
representing
the
collective
views
of
the
residents
around
here
to
make
it
easy
for
the
panel
to
deal
with,
and
we
are
concerned
about
public
nuisance
and
also
the
protection
of
children,
and
I
think
it's
worth
kind
of
going
back
to
the
public
meeting
that
mr
were
mentioned
earlier
on.
H
So
when
deliciosa
was
first
conceived
and
the
residents
were
supportive
of
it
and
a
license
wasn't
part
of
the
original
application
and
assurances
were
provided
that
it
would
not
be
the
planners
originally
restricted.
H
The
opening
hours
to
7
pm,
because
the
back
of
the
property
is
in
a
residential
area
that
hasn't
changed,
but
the
impact
and
the
public
nuisance
and
the
impact
on
the
eight
children
who
live
in
the
area
has
been
changed
because,
as
tony
says,
he
needs
to
make
a
return
on
investment,
and
I
don't
feel
that
that
should
be
done
at
the
expense
of
the
residents.
H
I
think
there
are
a
number
of
different
sort
of
areas
I
mean
chapel.
Allison
is
also
a
conservation
area,
so
additional
alcohol
licenses
there
was
a
moratorium
on
them,
so
anybody
who
moved
into
this
area
could
have
reasonably
been
expected
for
their
quality
of
life,
not
to
change
through
additional
alcohol
licenses
because
of
the
status
of
the
area.
H
H
So
I
think
that's
something
that
we
would
probably
like
the
planning
committee
to
consider
and
then
I
think,
going
through
the
application
sort
of
in
the
little
bits
the
public
nuisance
points
particularly
are.
H
H
The
applicant
says
that
the
outside
areas
will
not
be
used
after
9
pm,
so
all
of
the
outside
areas
actually
back
onto
the
residential
property.
So
that's
where
the
public
nuisance
is
going
to
be
created,
so
section
3
or
number
3
in
section
18a
says
in
the
application
says
no
outside
areas
will
be
used
after
2100
hours.
H
We
would
like
that
change
to
say
that
the
outside
areas
will
only
be
used
by
patrons
who
are
eating
a
meal
and
the
external
areas
of
the
premises
to
the
rear,
the
external
areas
on
the
ground
floor
and
the
roof
terrace.
I
think
we're
particularly
concerned
that
the
roof
terrace
may
become
an
outside
bar
in
the
summer
and
that
the
noise
will
carry
up
the
back
back,
allison
terrace,
so
we're
asking
that
that
not
be
utilized
by
customers
for
smoking
or
any
other
activity
after
seven
o'clock
in
the
evening.
H
I
think
that
goes
back
to
some
of
the
questions
that
one
of
the
counselors
was
asking
earlier
about
how
the
outside
area
is
going
to
be
used.
The
refuse,
I
think
we
had
a
particular
point
around
that
so
18d
on
the
application
which
mr
were
mentioned
earlier.
H
H
So
if
the
panel
can
consider
a
condition
to
any
license
that
says
no
amplified,
music
or
music
from
any
speakers
at
all
will
be
played
in
any
of
the
outdoor
areas
at
the
property.
I
think
that
would
also
put
residents
minds
at
rest
and
then
the
other
thing
I
think
we're
concerned
about
it's
it
is.
The
main
concern
is
around
the
noise
from
the
back
of
the
property
and
people
spilling
out
on
tobacco
and
terrace.
H
So
I
think,
if
the
planning,
if
the
licensing
team
I'll
call
you
a
team,
if
you
are
able
to
look
at
that
and
sort
of
explore
exactly
what
the
gate
means
at
the
back
of
the
property
and
saying
people
won't
use
that
after
nine
o'clock,
there
isn't
a
gator
there
there
at
the
moment,
because
the
property
is
on
an
unadopted
road.
So
as
residents,
we
actually
use
that
to
go
down
into
chapel
alton
and
we
walk
down
there.
H
So
I
don't
understand
what
mr
weir
means
by
the
gate,
but
I
think
if
there
was
a
condition
saying
actually,
if
we
weren't
allowed
to
use
that
exit
after
seven
o'clock
in
the
evening,
then
that
would
certainly
help
make
us
feel
more
comfortable
with
what
they're
planning
to
do-
and
I
think
I
mean
tony-
did
talk
to
all
of
the
residents
at
the
time
when
the
original
planning
application
was
put
in
and
everybody
would
like
a
deli.
That
is
successful.
That
people
can
go
to.
H
What
we
don't
want
is
a
an
alcohol
heavy
venue
that
has
people
spilling
out
on
tobacco
and
terrace
at
all.
All
times
of
the
night,
which
is
going
to
interrupt
family
life,
and
particularly
my
ten-year-old
daughter,
has
a
bedroom
that
looks
on
tobacco
and
terrace
the
windows
open.
She
won't
be
able
to
get
to
sleep
and
she
will
get
woken
up
in
the
morning.
B
Thanks
joanne
d
marshall,
would
you
like
to
come
in?
I
think
they've
still
got
a
few
moments
left
that
way,
rob.
I
Yeah
we
just
janna's
sort
of
summed
up
what
the
sort
of
20
or
so
residents
in
this
area
are
feeling
the
20
residents.
Many
of
them
have
families.
We've
got
eight
with
very
young
children.
Several
with
babies.
I
You
know
nine
o'clock
at
night
is
11
o'clock
is
really
unacceptable,
even
nine,
and
we
just
think
seven
o'clock
would
be
much
more
acceptable
for
us.
As
we
said,
we
don't
want
to
stifle
this
business.
You
know
that's
what
chapel
allison
is
all
about.
Is
these
small
independent
businesses
and
we're
in
some
ways
many
support?
I
We
are
supportive,
but
we
just
want
it
to
be
the
developers
to
be
considerate
to
the
people
with
young
families
who
live
in
this
area,
and
we
think
the
original
hours
of
you
know
to
7
pm.
I
We
can
all
sort
of
we
can
learn
with
this,
because
this
seems
to
be
planning
creep
into
a
sort
of
residential
area,
which
is
is
not
what
what
chapel
allison
is
about,
and
it
is
quite
interesting
that
all
three
councils
who
know
this
area
really
well
have
objected,
and
I
think
that's
because
they
understand
this
development.
I
It's
an
extremely
large
roof.
Terrace
and
beer
garden,
which
looks
directly
onto
our
homes
or
our
homes,
look
directly
onto
that,
and
if
there
was
noise
there
in
the
summer,
it
is
going
to
make
our
lives
see
those
like
myself,
who's,
retired
and
young
people,
people
with
young
families
pretty
unbearable,
and
he
does
warriors
that
during
the
development
we've
had
a
great
deal
of
noise.
I
But
once
he's
granted
a
license,
he's
going
to
have
little
control
over
how
much
people
drink
and
how
they
behave.
And
sadly
this
well,
you
could
say
suddenly
you
know
we're
not
italy.
I
The
drinking
habits
here
are
very
different,
so
I
think,
although
he
says
syria
what
he
wants
it
to
be
if
it's
granted
a
license
in
the
way
it
is
at
the
moment,
or
even
up
until
nine
o'clock,
you
know
the
reality.
I
D
A
D
I
should
just
add
that
you,
each
objector
has
up
to
15
minutes.
You're,
not
you
don't
have
to
share
your
15
minutes
with
joanne
girl.
If
you
did
want
to
speak
for
longer
you
you
can
do
so.
I
Thank
you
very
much,
rabbiting
away.
I
think
we've
got
time,
but
no,
I
think
I've
covered.
I
think
I've
covered
most
of
my
concerns
really.
I
think
I
just
like
to
emphasize
to
to
the
councillors
you
perhaps
until
you
visit
the
site,
you
wouldn't
know
how
large
the
roof
terrace
and
the
beer
garden
at
the
back
are.
This
will
make
it
the
biggest.
By
far
it's
over
100
covers.
I
It
will
be
by
far
the
biggest
premises
in
chapel
allison,
and
I
don't
think
you
quite
it's
difficult
to
see
the
site,
how
to
understand
that
and
the
rooftop,
our
gardens,
our
houses
and
our
gardens.
They
look
directly
onto
this
roof
terrace.
Well,
if
people
are
going
to
be
on
there
eating
drinking
in
the
summer,
the
noise
is
going
to
be
really
it's
going
to
make
our
lives
very
difficult,
very
unbearable.
I
mean
it
it.
It
just
makes
me
feel
very
sad.
I
Two
to
two
people
on
this
street
have
already,
with
young
babies,
already
put
their
house
on
the
market,
and
I
know
other
people
are
thinking
the
same,
and
I
we
we
do
we're
trying
to
be
supportive
of
a
local
business.
That
would
be
great
we're
trying
to
be
supportive
of
this
deli,
but
to
open
every
day
of
the
year
from
7
a.m,
to
11
p.m,
with
a
license
yeah
it
just
will.
I
just
think
the
impact
will
be
too
great
on
our
lives.
I
know
we'd,
ask
planners
to
consider
that.
H
I
was
just
gonna
add
to
that
dee
that
there
is
a
there
is
also
a
desire
to
have
it
as
a
takeaway,
so
serving
take
away
food
which
will
be
take
away,
food
and
alcohol,
so
that
is
going
to
be
delivery.
H
Drivers,
people
parking
on
an
unadopted
road
which
is
used
by
children's
play
on
and
as
part
of
the
development
process,
the
they,
the
people
who
have
been
working
on
site
seem
to
have
tried
to
take
over
a
bit
of
property,
which
is
actually
common
ground
and
common
land,
which
there
were
discussions
with
the
chapel
allison
society.
H
I
don't
we
don't
understand
what
that
means.
So
does
that
mean
that
all
the
takeaways
are
going
to
go
out
front?
I
think
we're
just
really
concerned
that
if
a
license
is
granted
as
it
has
been
asked
for,
then
that
is
a
is
a
license
for
the
business
to
develop
in
whatever
way
it
wants,
without
any
consideration
for
the
neighbors,
who
are
supportive
of
a
family-run
delhi.
B
Okay
thanks
the
thanks
joanne.
I
just
have
just
one
quick
question.
You
mentioned
joanne
that
the
assurances
were
provided
that
alcohol
would
not
be
applied
for.
I
just
wondered
where
those
assurances
came
from.
H
That
was
tony
so,
when
the
public
meeting
that
mr
mayor
referred
to,
which
was
carried
out
before
the
planning
application
was
put
in
so
tony
invited
a
number
of
residents
to
the
piece
of
grand
piece
of
land
that
the
property
is
being
developed
on,
provided
some
soft
drinks
and
had
plans
for
a
coffee
shop
deli.
H
And
at
that
point
he
said
we
will
not
be
we're
not
looking
for
a
license.
We
want
to
do
a
family
run
restaurant
where
you
can
come
in
and
you
can
buy
the
lasagna
and
you
can
take
it
home
and
people
can
come
and
work
during
the
day
in
the
conservatory
and
drink
coffee.
So
it
was
very
much
presented
to
the
neighbours,
as
this
is
going
to
be
a
daytime
venue.
H
That's
serving
good
quality,
home-cooked
italian
food,
alongside
italian
meats,
cheeses,
that
kind
of
thing
and
coffee
so
tony
used
to
work
in
cafe
nero
in
the
middle
of
chapel
allerton,
which
is
how
he's
got
to
know
quite
a
few
people,
and
it
was
very
much
presented
to
us
as
it's
a
cafe,
nero
mark
two
or
three,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
better
and
a
lot
more
family
run
and
have
that
nice
feel
about
it.
H
So
he
he
did
say
that
at
the
sort
of
consultation
that
was
referred
to
and
also
the
planners,
they
originally
restricted
those
hours
because
it
was
a
residential
area
nobody's
moved.
The
only
thing
that's
changed
is
the
commercial
imperative
for
the
investment
that
tony
has
made
into
the
property,
and
that
shouldn't
be
the
return
on
investment
shouldn't,
be
the
expense
at
the
expense
of
the
quality
of
life
of
the
residents.
I
Yeah,
could
I
just
add
that
only
did
make
a
very
passionate
plea
to
the
planners
at
the
original
meeting
saying
they
wanted
a
small
family
run
deli
and
it
wouldn't
be
serving
alcohol
and
wouldn't
be
open
after
7
p.m,
and
the
planners
agreed
with
that
and
they
restricted
the
hours
to
7
p.m
because
they
noted
in
their
report.
B
Okay
right,
thanks
do
members,
have
any
questions
to
put
to
the
objectives.
C
Thank
you,
chair
of
the
objectives
in
their
written
statements,
referred
to
a
an
area
of
communal
land
at
the
in
the
back
street
there
I
wondered
if
one
of
the
residents
could
just
explain
to
us
where
that
is
in
relation
to
the
premises
that
we're
referring
to
here
and
what
impact
there
might
be
on
that
use
of
that
area
of
land
from
the
the
use
of
the
of
the
premises.
H
John,
so
the
there
is
an
unadopted
road
which
goes
down
and
is
a
t
against
regent
street.
I'm
sort
of
trying
to
do
hands
here
and
then
the
other,
so
all
of
that
is
unadopted
road
and
the
development
of
deliciosa
actually
comes
right
up
to
the
border
against
the
unadopted
piece
of
land
which
the
developers
the
builders
have
been
using
as
parking
spaces,
and
we
had
a
when
the
license
was
originally
applied.
H
For
we
spoke
to
tony,
and
we
also
spoke
to
the
person
who
is
funding
the
development,
and
we
very
much
got
the
impression
from
them
that
they
were
looking
to
take
over
that
piece
of
land
on
the
basis
that
nobody
else
was
using
it
for
parking
at
the
back
of
the
property
so
dee.
That
was
definitely
the
feeling
that
we
got
wasn't
it.
I
I
This
became
a
community
asset.
Some
years
ago,
as
a
community
we've
developed
a
small
garden,
we've
put
up
a
little
library,
we're
trying
to
make
it
into
a
community
garden
or
a
community
area,
because
it
is
designated
as
a
community
asset.
Unfortunately,
recently
this
has
been
totally
monopolized
by
the
building
work,
but
that
is
understandable.
They've
had
to
sort
of
get
access
into
their
premises.
We
understand
that
and
a
lot
of
that
work
has
been
put
on
hold.
I
Our
worry
is
that
the
roof
terrace
it
faces
onto
this
community
land
and
that
they
want
access
here
which,
according
to
the
deeds,
they
actually
don't
have.
I
So
we
think
that's
where
they're
going
to
put
the
delivery
lorries
and
the
parking
will
be
there,
and
this
isn't
supposed
to
be
a
community
asset
that
we'd
like
to
turn
at
some
stage
into
more
of
a
garden.
A
I
Already
is
and
more
of
a
play
area
than
it
already
is,
and
that
is
a
major
concern
for
us
that
they're
going
to
claim
access
through
this
area
and
use
this
area
as
a
car
park,
which
would
just
be
a
shame.
H
H
There
isn't,
there
is
no
parking
with
the
venue
at
the
back,
so
parking
would
be
on
harrogate
road,
and
I
think
that
is
one
of
our
main
concerns.
It's
sort
of
it.
It
feels
as
if
a
residential
area
is
being
taken
over.
If
everything
was
going
out
the
front
and
if
all
the
entry
and
exit
was
out
the
front,
then
there
wouldn't
be
an
issue
for
for
the
residents,
but
I
think
we
are
concerned
about
dustbin
collection
on
a
road
that
is
played
on
by
children.
B
F
Could
I
perhaps
deal
with
that
chair
because
I
I
am
instructed
on
that,
and
it
would
help.
I
think
if
you
pull
up
page
29
of
the
bundle
which
it
is
the
layout
plan
or
not
layout
plan,
so
the
the
area
planet,
that's
appendix
yeah,
I'll,
just
I'll
just
wait
for
you
to
pull
that
up.
If
I
may,
I'm
there,
I've
got
that.
You
can
see
the
purple
ringed
and
hatched
area.
F
Yes,
and
you
can
see
the
demise
of
the
premises,
which
then
comes
out
a
little
bit
further
with
a
block
line,
and
then
you
can
see
the
land
which
is
has
been
referred
to
by
the
two
residents
that
then
comes
on
to
back
allen,
terrace,
the
tea
that
was
talked
about
with
regent
street
yeah.
So
I
give
the
panel
and
the
residents
assurance
that
there
is
no
intention
to
use
any
land
which
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
use.
We
clearly
do
not
have
the
ability
to
lose
use
anything,
that's
not
in
our
demise.
F
We
would
be
very
supportive
and
would
try
and
assist
with
any
community
asset
towards
the
garden,
and
I
noticed
the
library
there.
The
other
day
when
I,
when
I
went
to
see
it
and
I
it
is
always
disappointing
when
building
works,
have
been
using
areas
that
that
there
perhaps
shouldn't,
have
been
and
cause
a
nuisance,
but
that
area
won't
be
used
by
the
premises.
There's
not
going
to
be
as
we're
here
today
to
determine
this
licensing
application.
F
It's
not
something
that
we're
going
to
be
servicing
from
that
area.
We're
not
seeking
to
have
parking
what's
critically
important
is
that
the
main
entrance
to
the
premises
is
off
the
front
of
the
premises
on
harrogate
road
and
the
as
you
can
see
where
it
says
number
one
and
the
the
the
blocking
off
at
the
back
of
the
purple
bit.
There
is
an
ability
to
seal
that
with
a
with
a
gate.
F
B
Thanks,
mr
councillor
knight,
would
you
like
to
come
in
on
something.
C
Yes,
thank
you
like
a
couple
more
questions
in
relation
to
the
land,
etc.
If
there
was
the
entrance
entry
and
exit
to
the
premises
from
the
rear,
would
that
necessitate
people
going
over
that
piece
of
communal
land.
A
C
Yes,
absolutely
thank
you.
Could
I
also
just
qualify
with
the
residents?
I
wasn't
sure
what
they
were
asking,
what
they
would
be
happy
with
in
terms
of
movement,
entry
and
exit
at
the
rear.
There
are
you
saying
that
we
wouldn't
be
happy
with
entry
and
exit
at
all
or
just
having
it
restricted
to
certain
times.
H
H
C
H
Because
I
think
that
is
an
area
where
people
may
congregate,
where
you
may
get
taxis
coming
up
where
people
who
might
have
had
quite
a
few
drinks
during
the
day,
as
dee
said,
we
aren't
italian,
so
we're
not
quite
as
there's
restrictive
on
ourselves
sometimes,
and
I
just
think
that
that
is
an
area
where
people
could
congregate
and
rowdy
people
may
get
rowdy.
So
if
they're
going
to
be
rowdy,
if
they
were
to
go
out
of
the
front,
there
are
no
residential
properties
at
the
front.
Who
would
be
impacted
by
that?
I
I
That's
what
quite
a
few
people
want.
I
think
that's
it.
Some
could
say
that's
a
little.
We
want
to
compromise.
You
know
we
want
this
business.
You
know
a
lot
has
been
invested.
We
want
them
to
succeed,
so
the
compromise
for
us
would
be
still
7
p.m,
and
we
think
we
could
all
work
with
that.
Obviously,
we
prefer
the
entry
and
exit
to
be
on
harrogate
road,
where
all
the
other
businesses
are.
No
other
businesses
come
out
this
area,
so
we're
saying
until
7
pm
and
if
we
do
develop
into
a
garden.
I
G
Hey
yeah:
well,
I'm
I'm
pretty
astonished
about
this,
because
I
mean
mrs
joe
jill
and
marshall.
They
keep
saying
they
supportive
on
my
application,
which
is
quite
astonishing
because
everything
is
being
said
against
now.
There's
a
couple
of
things
that
I
want
to
clarify
the
first
one
is,
I
don't
know
where
mrs
g
has
got
this
information
about.
No,
I
call
at
all
because
I've
got
evidence
on
my
previous
drawing
at
the
daily.
Then
I've
got
this
wine
cellar.
Then
it
was
getting
to
be
underneath
the
garden.
G
I
didn't
do
that
because
I
didn't
have
the
the
possibility
to
do
it
and
that's
one
thing.
The
other
thing
is
the
parking
disable
the
disabled
parking
is
on.
My
land
is
now
on
the
council
land.
That's
my
land!
The
third
things
is
the
access
of
go
a
guarantee,
express
access
to
go
that.
So
I
don't
know
where
you
got
this
information
from.
If
you
got
the
evidence,
you
give
it
to
me,
I'm
going
to
give
you
my
evidence
because
I'm
sure
100
on
paper,
then
I've
got
access.
G
The
other
thing
is
you
keep
pushing
about.
Kids.
I've
been
following
this
project
for
the
last
two
years
and
I
probably
seen
a
kid
going
up
and
down
the
road
twice
in
two
years:
twice:
okay,
about
the
time
that
you
were
mentioning,
I've
got
the
region
pub,
which
is
just
on
the
same
road.
I've
got
sukhothai,
then
it's
just
next
to
me.
There's
the
north
bar,
I
can
mention
other
of
them
and
they
all
trade
until
11.,
and
they
keep
talking
about
noisy.
G
I
already
said,
and
I'm
going
to
close
the
outside
area,
which
is
the
area
that
is
impacting
their
side
at
9
o'clock,
is
not
that
suitable
nine
o'clock.
Do
you
want
me
to
close
at
seven
o'clock,
and
now
I'm
gonna
do
that
I
mean
if
I'm
gonna
have
restriction
for
discovered.
I'm
gonna
have
to
work
with
the
take
away.
Do
you
have
in
mind
what
time
the
takeaway
actually
works
between
five
o'clock
and
probably
nine
o'clock?
G
G
Another
little
things
that
is
about
the
is
about
the
gate.
The
gate
is
going,
the
gate
is
going
to
the
garden
area.
It's
gonna
put
into
the
garden
areas
not
going
on
their
land
or
the
council.
Land
is
going
in
my
land
as
well,
and
the
other
things
is
the
piece
of
land.
Then
they
were
talking
about
and
I
wanted
to
get.
G
G
There's
stinging
nettles
in
the
area,
and
I
can
prove
that
because
I've
got
pictures
since
I
have
started
the
building
wards
which
are
going
ahead
two
years,
so
nobody
use
that
site.
You
know
why
they
use
that
site,
they
use
it
for
parking
area,
they
use
it
as
a
parking
and
so
tell.
Let
me
tell
you
something
why
my
builder
is
not
allowed
to
park
his
van
there,
but
you
are
allowed
to
part
your
card
there.
What's
the
difference
between
me
and
you,
I
don't
get
it.
C
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
further
question
of
mr
solaris.
If
possible,
you
referred
to
the
the
takeaway,
mr
solaris,
and
if
that
you
were
saying
that,
if
entry
and
exit
at
the
back
was
closed
at
seven,
you
that
would
impact
on
the
takeaway.
So
is
that
of
a
misunderstood.
G
Which
is
on
regent
street?
So
if
I
have
to
do
take
away,
I'm
going
to
have
a
weigh-in
and
a
wait
out
because
of
coffee
restriction
as
well,
but
more
than
that
I
don't
see.
Why
is
not
suitable
until
nine
o'clock
I
mean
I'm
already
offering
to
close
at
nine
o'clock.
So
I
think
nine
o'clock
is
a
very,
very
good
time.
I
mean
it's.
F
C
F
You
want
to
collect
your
takeaway.
You
would
then
leave
through
the
rear
of
the
premises
because,
as
you
may
have
seen
yourself
in
a
lot
of
these
licensed
premises
and
one-way
traffic
is
something
which
is
being
assessed
to
make
sure
that
social
distancing
takes
place.
So
you
would
wish
to
have
and
I'll
deal
with
this.
F
In
my
final
submissions,
the
ability
to
use
that
rear
gate
until
nine
o'clock
that
he
would
suggest
through
me
is
a
balanced
position
that
would
promote
the
licensing
objectives
and
it
is
a
reasonable
time
and
it
is
very
important,
certainly
for
how
long
we
don't
know,
but
during
the
covid
issues
in
relation
to
people
collecting
food
to
take
away
from
the.
C
F
They
won't
be
entering
the
premises
at
all.
I
think
I
pointed
out
to
you
that
the
initial
idea,
the
initial
business
plan,
the
initial
covered
risk
assessment-
is
to
open
the
premises
purely
to
take
away
initially.
So
what
we're
talking
about
is,
as
the
premise
is
open,
because
at
the
moment,
mr
solaris
does
not
feel
that
it
would
be
covered
risk
assessed
right
and
sensible
to
open
the
premises
for
people
to
sit
down
in
them.
So
if
the
license
is
granted
today,
what
is
anticipated
is
when
the
premises
initially
open.
F
We
are
all
hoping
that
that
position
changes
sooner
rather
than
later,
but
it
may
be
some
time
before
that
changes
once
that
does
change
and
we
go
into
the
period
where
we
will
settle
down
into
what
is
a
proper
trading
pattern.
Then
there
won't
be
the
need
for
one-way
traffic.
People
will
be
able
to
come
in
and
out
of
the
front
door
won't
be
a
problem.
C
A
C
A
C
A
B
G
B
O'clock,
obviously,
can
we
can
we
please
come
through
the
chair?
If
we're
gonna
be
talking,
do
any
of
the
ward
members?
Do
they
have
any
more
questions
for
the
objectives.
B
No,
I
see
no
there,
then
what
I'm
going
to
ask
is,
if
mr
were
could
sum
up
in
his
five
minutes.
Please.
F
Thank
you
chair.
I
I
know
you'll
be
assisted
by
your
learned
legal
adviser,
but
I
I
will
just
remind
the
licensing
subcommittee
about
the
important
decision
of
thwaites,
where
mrs
justice
richards
looked
at,
what
she
described
as
real
evidence
needed
and
described
the
licensing
formula,
the
licensing
system
as
being
a
permissive
piece
of
regulation,
and
that
was
a
case
where
we
had
residents
complaining
about
the
use
of
the
hotel.
F
I
am
disappointed
with
a
lot
of
the
language
that's
been
used
in
relation
to
these
premises.
Today,
people
spilling
out
of
beer
gardens
the
way
that
they've
been
described
by
potentially
trading
once
they're,
granted
that
the
real
evidence
that
you
have
before
you
is
that
you
have
somebody
who's
lived
in
chapel
alert
and
worked
in
chapel
chapel
arsenal
for
a
long
time
he's
committed
to
making
sure
he
promotes
the
licensing
objectives
to
back
up
his
one,
what
his
investors,
one
million
pound
investment
in
this
site.
F
It's
going
to
be
a
phenomenal
addition
to
chapel
allerton
and
the
licensing
act,
allows
him
to
apply
for
what
he's
applied
for
he's
tried
to
be
sensible
in
relation
to
the
hours
that
he's
applied.
For
and
as
you've
heard
today
from
questioning,
if
you
feel
that
the
start
of
the
sale
of
alcohol
should
be
pulled
back
to
10
o'clock
11
o'clock
in
the
morning,
then
that's
not
a
problem
in
relation
to
the
outside
areas.
F
We
do
say
to
you
that
at
nine
o'clock
is
a
reasonable
time
to
have
a
cut
off
to
use
these
outside
areas.
F
The
picture
that's
been
painted
of
you
of
drunken
revelers
tipping
out
of
these
premises
and
waiting
for
taxes
and
causing
a
nuisance
is
unsubstantiated
and
it
is
not
backed
up
by
the
style
of
operation
and
in
particular,
the
kind
of
alcohol
that
would
be
sold
at
these
premises
and-
and
I
and
I
must
ask
you
to
disregard
that
in
relation
to
it
in
relation
to
the
collection
of
refuse,
we've
looked
to
amend,
condition
13
to
make
that
from
eight
in
the
morning
until
eight
at
night.
F
So
again
it's
a
situation
where
my
client's
saying
to
you
that
they're
working
with
the
community
to
deal
with
any
issues.
I
would
ask
you
again
when
you
retire,
to
consider
to
look
at
page
29
of
your
bundle.
Mr
solaris
has
told
you
that
he's
got
access
off
back
alert
and
terrace
into
his
premises.
At
the
back.
There
he's
not
seeking
to
adopt
any
of
the
common
ground.
That's
been
described,
that's
outside
of
his
area,
but
he
is
allowed
to
access
the
premises
from
back
allen,
tech
back
allison
terrace.
F
This
is
not
the
type
of
premises
which
has
been
created
in
the
evidence.
That's
been
put
before
you
by
the
residential
objectors.
Mr
solaris
wants
to
work
with
the
local
people.
He
will
continue
to
do
so,
and
we
would
ask
that
the
license
should
be
allowed
in
the
terms
that
it's
been
applied
for,
whilst
modified
with
the
slight
changes
to
the
conditions
in
the
in
the
earlier
opening
hours
earlier
sale
of
alcohol
hours
that
we've
detailed
to
you
chair.
F
He
he's
backing
this
with
his
family
and
his
investor,
and
it's
something
where
he's
here
for
the
long
term
to
make
sure
that
the
people
who
do
have
a
concern
about
this
public
nuisance
element
won't
see
it
happen
and
will
become
loyal
supporters
of
the
business
which
will
be
a
huge
benefit
to
chapel
allerton.
And
it
quite
clearly
will
promote
the
licensing
objectives.
B
Thank
you
for
that,
mr
work.
I
do
have
just
one
quick
question:
I'm
looking
at
the
satellite
image
of
that
area
and
if
you
look
outside
the
premises
sort
of
across
the
road
to
the
left,
there's
a
big
building
site.
What
is
that
buildings,
though,.
B
A
B
F
B
Yeah,
okay,
great
so
the
subcommittee
now
will
move
into
private
session
to
deliberate
the
application.
And
could
I
ask
that
all
parties,
including
the
applicant
and
their
representatives
and
the
licensing
officer,
remain
available?
B
Should
we
have
any
additional
questions
if
there
are
additional
questions,
you'll
be
invited
back
into
the
meeting
by
the
clerk
I'll
just
give
a
short
warning,
which
is
it
could
take
some
time?
So
it's
not
a
quick,
normally,
not
a
quick
thing.
The
deliberation
but
we'll
be
going
into
a
breakout
room
now
to
do
that.
A
A
D
A
A
B
B
I
think
I'm
just
going
to
thank
mr
solaris.
B
Right:
okay:
okay,
thanks
for
your
patience,
said
these
things
normally
take
longer
than
we
anticipate
we
do
have.
B
We
haven't
actually
come
to
a
decision
yet,
but
we
are
just
mindful
of
a
few
conditions
that
we
wanted
to
just
to
the
applicant
and
the
objectives
and
ask
for
their
comments
on
on
if
we
were
mindful
to
impose
them
conditions
and
those
conditions
that
we're
possibly
mindful
of
looking
at,
are
operating
the
outside
operating
times
from
sunday
to
thursday,
to
finish
at
7
pm,
friday
and
saturday
to
finish
at
9pm
and
also
outside
the
consumer,
alcohol
to
be
consumed
only
with
food.
B
B
I
think,
if
we'll
go
to
the
the
the
applicant
first,
please
some
comments
on
that.
If
you
would.
F
B
F
F
We
would
also
like
the
opportunity
for
people
who
want
to
have
a
bottle
of
wine
in
the
summer
outside
to
be
able
to
do
that
without
food.
So
that's
certainly
something
which
we
are
very
clear
that
we
can
deal
with
properly
and
not
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
licensing
objectives
from
that
outside
area.
F
In
relation
to
the
hours
point
that
you've
asked
for,
there
is
no
issue
from
my
client's
perspective,
with
having
the
hours
for
off
sales
to
be
from
10
a.m,
until
2300
hours
and
the
hours
for
consumption
on
the
premises
to
be
from
12
o'clock
until
11
2300
hours,
as
was
suggested,
the
waste
collection
from
eight
until
eight
that
that
is
offered
and
in
relation
to
the
rear
gate.
F
Could
we
have
the
wording
so
that
it
would
read
as
follows:
please
the
rear
gate
from
the
premises
through
the
disabled
parking
space
onto
the
common
land
to
be
closed
from
7
p.m,
to
all
customers,
apart
from
disabled
customers,
who
need
access
to
the
disabled
parking
area.
But
certainly
we
appreciate
the
comments
that
have
been
made
and
we
would
offer
to
other
than
for
those
disabled
customers
who
need
to
go
through
to
the
disabled
parking
space,
which
is
on
our
land,
we'll
close
the
gate
from
7
pm
on
to
back
allen
terrace.
B
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
mr
were,
would
one
of
the
objectives
in
the
joan
order.
Would
you
like
to
comment
on
your
some
comments
on
that?
Please.
H
Yeah,
I
can
do
so.
I
think
the
agreement
on
the
8
am
to
8
pm
bottles
and
bins
is
really
good.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
I
think
that
we're
slightly
missing
an
exit
to
the
property,
so
harrogate
road
and
then
there's
back
alice
and
terrace
up
which
you
can
get
vehicles.
H
So
I
think
we
would
like
the
conditions,
as
you
have
suggested,
in
the
opening
hours
so
outside
area
to
be
used
until
7
p.m,
sunday
to
thursday,
with
9
p.m.
On
friday
to
saturday,
I
think
if
the
applicant
can
then
prove
that
they
are
good
neighbors
and
that
they're
able
to
stick
to
that,
then
I'm
sure
the
solicitor
would
advise
them
to
then
come
back
once
that
has
been
proved,
but
I
think
that
is
a
really
good
starting
point
so
that
everybody's
views
are
taken
into
consideration.
H
I'm
slightly
concerned
about
the
the
gate
point
because
I
think
if
there
is
a
gate,
that's
closed.
Apart
from
access
to
a
disabled
parking
space
which
is
on
their
land,
the
gate
isn't
actually
closed.
H
So
that
doesn't
serve
the
purpose
and
there
is
parking
at
the
front
of
the
property
on
harrogate
road.
So
I
would
argue
that
if
disabled
parking
access
is
needed,
actually
it's
easier
to
get
in
the
front
than
it
is
at
the
back
through
the
gardens.
H
And
I
would
ask
that
I
don't
actually
know
whether
there
is
designated
disabled
parking
on
harrogate
road
and
I
don't
want
to
stop
disabled
people
being
able
to
park
to
enter
the
premises.
But
there
is
parking
outside
the
property
on
harrogate
road,
which
is
generally
not
used
of
an
evening.
H
So
I
think
that
that
point
can
be
dealt
with
by
either
designating
a
disabled
parking
space
at
the
front
of
the
property
which
would
deal
with
that,
because
I
do
think
that
the
the
intention
of
the
panel
in
having
the
gate
closed
and
accessed
to
back
out
and
terrorists
not
allowed
for
patrons
after
that.
Time
is
the
right
decision
and
if
there
is
not
a
gate
because
there's
a
parking
space,
then
that
effectively
means
that
that
doesn't
exist.
A
F
F
We
have
had,
through
the
planning
process
the
ability
to
use
that
gate
until
nine
o'clock,
so
we're
offering,
in
the
circumstances,
to
reduce
that
to
seven
o'clock,
which
is
less
than
what
we've
been
given
permission.
On
the
planning
permission,
there
is
a
disabled
parking
space
at
the
back.
The
best
access
for
disabled
customers
is
through
the
rear
of
the
premises.
F
We
certainly
can't
hope
that
there
is
a
disabled
space,
that's
available
at
the
front
of
the
premises,
and
I
would
have
thought
that
in
the
promotion
of
the
licensing
objectives
terms,
if
we
close
that
gate
to
customers,
that
leads
from
the
back
of
the
premises
onto
baccalaureat
and
terrace
from
seven
o'clock
clock
other
than
for
a
disabled
customer
who
we
would
assist
into
the
premises
and
that's
got
to
be
seen
to
be
promoting
the
licensing
objectives
and
to
be
the
right
thing
to
do.
That's
the
only
point
I
would
wish
to
come
back
on.
B
B
B
Anyway,
solaris
please
solaris,
please
please,
councillor
knight.
Would
you
like
to
make
a
comment.
C
You
chair,
I
just
thought-
maybe
there's
some
way
of
a
compromise
here-
to
enable
disabled
access
at
the
rear
without
it,
meaning
that
that's
just
open
access
to
anybody.
Could
there
be
some
kind
of
intercom
system
on
the
gate.
Disabled
person
can
contact
people
inside
to
say.
Let
me
in
let
me
out
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
Would
that
be
a
possibility?
Would
that
be
acceptable
to
the
residents.
B
The
way
that
the
condition
would
be
worded
how
they
obtain
how
they
get
to
that
objective
is,
is
the
license
holders
duty.
So
it's
not
really
for
us
to
be
asking
how
you're
gonna
do
it
is
your
obligation
to
do
that.
I
think
we've
heard
comments
on
those
conditions
and
I
think,
as
members
we
will
also
go
we'll
go
to
the
deliberation
to
breakout
room
and
we'll
discuss
those
further.
If
that's
okay,.
I
Could
I
just
make
one
small
point:
this
is
unmade
an
unmade
road
and
it
is
in
a
very
bad
condition.
It's
really
not
a
good
access
for
people
with
disability,
they're
much
better
to
park
on
harrogate.
G
B
H
H
B
B
A
B
A
No,
I've
just
had
a
message
from
rob
saying
perhaps
make
your
announcement
without
him
because
he
is
having.
B
Are
we
happy
everybody's
president?
B
I
said
we're
still
missing.
Are
we
okay
to
proceed
without
db
present
john.
B
Okay,
well
thanks
everybody
for
your
patience.
These,
like
I
said
before,
did
take
a
lot
longer
than
we
always
anticipate
and
we
do
like
to
be
as
thorough
as
possible
and
obviously
here
all
and
all
sides
of
the
of
the
of
the
application.
So
what
we
will
do
now
is.
It
actually
concludes
the
business
for
today.
B
The
decision
from
today's
meeting
will
be
given
within
the
next
five
working
days
to
the
applicant,
and
I
guess
that's
it.
That
concludes
today
thanks
everybody
for
your
attendance
and
yeah.
The
conclusion
will
be
out
in
five
days.
Thank
you
very
much.
If
ward
members
can
just
wait
behind,
please.