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A
B
A
C
To
this
remote
hearing
of
the
licensing
subcommittee,
my
name
is
councillor,
marshall
cutting
and
I
will
be
sharing
today's
hearing
before
I
proceed
further.
Could
I
remind
everyone
that
today's
meeting
has
been
streamlined
on
the
city
council's
youtube
channel?
Could
I
ask
the
following
members
of
the
subcommittee
to
kindly
introduce
themselves
councillor
buckley.
C
C
Even
though
members
of
the
panel
are
in
remote
attendance,
while
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed,
as
is
usual,
remote
attendance
requires
a
few
slight
changes
as
to
how
I
will
manage
the
debate.
Therefore,
can
I
can
all
attend
these
meet
their
microphones?
Unless
I
invite
you
to
speak,
this
will
avoid
disruption
from
background
noise.
Could
I
also
ask
all
participants
to
please
keep
their
cameras
on
during
this
hearing?
C
All
participants
will
be
invited
to
introduce
themselves,
as
at
the
start
of
the
hearing,
to
make
it
clear
to
public
observers
who
will
be
involved
in
the
proceedings.
I
ask
for
your
assistance
and
your
patience.
While
I
go
through
this
process,
could
I
now
invite
officers
to
introduce
themselves
and
also
to
mute
your
microphone
once
you've
introduced
yourself,
and
I
will
start
with
felipe.
F
Yes,
it's
philip
and
murray
from
legal
services
here
to
give
advice
to
the
subcommittee
members.
C
C
C
A
Thanks
chair
under
gender
item
number
two:
there
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
and
under
item
number
three,
there
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
and
public
under
agenda
item
4.
There
are
no
late
items
chair,
but
there
has
been
some
additional
information
submitted
in
relation
to
item
6
by
the
objector.
A
C
F
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
The
procedure
for
the
application
is
that
first
of
all,
the
applicant
addresses
the
committee.
Then
those
who
have
made
representations
addressed
the
committee
and
the
applicant
has
the
chance
to
response
to
anything
said
in
the
verbal
representation
and
a
representation
has
been
received
from
a
resident
local
to
the
premises
and
that
objector.
Mr
golden
has
attended
the
meeting.
F
The
representations
are
usually
dealt
with
in
the
following
order
and
the
west
yorkshire
police,
followed
by
other
agencies,
including
the
environmental
health
and
then
members
of
the
public
who
have
submitted
objections,
and
in
this
case
there
have
been
no
representations
from
either
the
west,
yorkshire,
police
or
other
responsible
authorities
or
agencies.
F
In
making
the
determination,
the
subcommittee
will
consider
what
is
appropriate
and
proportionate
to
promote
the
licensing
of
licensing
objectives.
Those
objectives
are:
the
prevention
of
crime
and
disorder,
public
safety,
the
prevention
of
public
nuisance
and
the
protection
of
children
from
harm
dealing
with
time
limits.
During
the
meeting,
the
regulations
permit
the
subcommittee
to
set
a
time
limit
on
presentations,
providing
that
the
same
time
limit
is
applied
to
each
party.
F
F
Could
I
ask
the
chair
if
the
subcommittee
wish
to
impose
a
time
limit
today
and
and
if
they
do,
what
time
limit
would
you
wish
to.
C
Impose
I'll
stay
with
the
15
minutes.
F
F
A
time
limit
of
15
minutes
will
apply
to
all
of
the
presentations
following
each
presentation.
The
subcommittee
members
may
wish
to
ask
questions
and
the
time
for
questions
to
be
asked
and
answered
is
in
addition
to
the
15
minutes
set
for
those
presentations.
F
Please
note
that
cross-examination
is
not
permitted
in
subcommittee.
If
any
party
feels
there
is
a
crucial
question
that
needs
to
be
asked
and
answered.
Please
direct
that
request
to
the
chair.
Who
will
determine
whether
or
not
the
question
shall
be
put
and
parties
may
request
permission
to
call
witnesses.
F
Could
I
ask
if
any
party
wishes
to
call
witnesses
today?
So,
mr
smith,
perhaps
first
of
all,
are
you
able
to
tell
us
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
if
you
do
have
witnesses.
G
Only
the
applicants
and
obviously
the
submissions
that
I'm
going
to
make
myself
mr
cavani,
is
here
to
help
the
the
panel,
if
need
be
I'll,
be
putting
the
case
across
if
any
questions
are
so
that
I
can't
answer
for
whatever
reason.
Mr
cavani
is
also
on
hand.
F
Okay,
thank
you
and
mr
golden.
Do
you
have
witnesses
to
call.
F
F
Okay,
thank
you,
and
it
would
be
helpful
when
those
addressing
the
subcommittee
are
referring
to
documents
if
they
could
identify,
which
document
you
are
referring
to.
Additional
documents
may
now
only
be
tabled
with
the
consent
of
all
parties.
We
have
dealt
with
one
additional
document
which
is
going
to
be
considered
by
the
subcommittee.
F
Can
I
check
with
the
applicant
and
mr
smith
and
mr
golden?
Are
there
any
further
documents
that
are
likely
to
come
up.
B
F
F
Could
all
parties
remain
in
the
meeting
until
they
are
asked
to
leave
and
all
parties
will
be
informed
once
the
hearing
has
ended
of
the
decision
within
five
working
days
of
today's
date.
Could
I
ask:
are
there
any
representations
about
the
procedure
that
the
subcommittee
proposes
to
follow
before
we
start
the
hearing.
F
C
Excellent,
thank
you
very
much
philippa.
Could
I
now
ask
the
licensing
officer
to
please
present
the
application.
D
D
The
premises
will
operate
as
a
pizzeria
and
bar
the
application
proposes
mr
atabat
cavani
del
magana
as
the
premises
license
holder
and
the
dps.
D
D
The
applicant
proposes
to
promote
the
licensing
objectives
by
taking
the
steps
identified
in
the
pro
forma
risk
assessment.
A
copy
of
this
is
attached
to
appendix
b
on
page
27
of
the
report.
However,
it
should
be
noted
that
if
the
application
is
successful
and
the
measures
offered
in
the
pro
forma
risk
assessment
would
offer
those
measures
offered
by
the
applicant
at
section
m
of
the
application
form
which
can
be
found
on
page
23
and
24..
D
The
reason
being
is
that
these
measures,
the
measures
offered
in
the
pro
farmers
assessment,
are
more
stringent
and
enforceable,
so
the
application
has
not
attracted
any
representations
from
the
responsible
authorities.
However,
it
has
attracted
a
representation
from
one
member
of
the
public
who
has
expressed
concerns
regarding
noise,
uses,
anti-social,
behavior
and
littering
a
copy
of
that
representation
can
be
found
on
page
45,
appendix
d
of
the
report.
D
C
You
very
much
matthew
right.
We
now
go
over
to
mr
attaback
cavani,
the
applicant.
So
it's
your
it's
your
turn
to
present
your
case.
C
G
And
thank
you
matthew
for
the
introduction
and
panel.
This
is
the
first
application
for
a
premises
license
at
this
long-standing
site
in
waddelsford.
It's
actually
been
trading
since
1996.
G
and
the
pages
in
the
bundle
which
matthew's
referred
to
18,
20
and
22,
and
they
all
relate
to
the
times
which
have
been
sought
for
alcohol
sales,
for
live
music
and
for
recorded
music
and
in
terms
of
alcohol
sales
and
my
clients
not
sought
any
drinking
uptime
in
terms
of
the
live
music,
and
this
is
only
for
very
limited
hours.
I'll
go
on
to
talk
about
that
in
just
a
minute.
G
G
Whilst
this
has
been
asked
for
for
various
times
see,
I
think
it's
page
18
of
the
bundle
that's
for
background
music
only
which,
strictly
speaking,
isn't
a
licenseable
activity
and
my
client
isn't
a
licensing
professional
and,
albeit
he
is
a
an
experienced
operator
and
he
put
the
application
together
himself
and
I
think
he's
done
a
pretty
good
job.
If
I
may
say
so.
It's
a
very
full
application.
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
a
bit
about
that
shortly
as
well,
there's
no
adult
entertainment.
G
Obviously
it's
not
that
type
of
premises
whatsoever
and-
and
I
think
the
the
most
important
part
of
the
application,
particularly
in
light
of
mr
goldman's
representation-
will
be
section
m
of
the
application
and
the
risk
assessment,
which
is,
is
also
found
in
the
bundle,
and
I
don't
intend
to
talk
you
through
every
single
condition
which
has
been
offered.
G
Indeed,
there
are
many
and
but
just
to
to
state
a
few,
my
clients
going
to
be
offering
cctv
at
the
premises,
registers
for
supervisors
and
refusals
notices
to
send
customers
regarding
challenge
21
with
regards
to
noise,
regards
to
a
dispersal
policy
and
there's
going
to
be
on
sale
drinking
only
and
there
is
a
condition
which
has
been
offered
to
state
that
no
drinks
will
be
removed
from
the
premises
whatsoever
and
there's
going
to
be
regular.
G
G
Either
and
litter
is
mentioned-
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
mr
golden's
representation
shortly,
but
there's
a
condition
which
has
been
offered
at
the
operating
schedule
and
via
the
risk
assessments,
and
that
says
that
my
client
will
ensure
that
litter,
including
cigarette
ends
arising
from
people
using
the
premises,
is
going
to
be
cleared
away
regularly
and
any
promotional
materials
such
as
flyers
will
not
create
litter
either.
G
G
I
want
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
and
about
mr
cavani
himself
and
he's
a
local
resident
and
you're.
I'm
not
sure
whether
the
copy
of
the
application,
which
is
before
the
committee
has
his
address
on,
but
he's
a
local
waddlefoot
resident
and
the
business
itself
has
been
in
place
for
over
20
years
and
it's
well
thought
of
in
the
community,
and
indeed
he
also
has
a
a
sister
site
which
is
operating
successfully
in
the
cross
gates
area
as
well.
G
Mr
cavani,
and
indeed
the
premises,
have
no
history
whatsoever
of
trouble
either
with
west
yorkshire,
police,
with
the
environmental,
health
and
or
with
local
residents.
Keeping.
All
of
that
in
mind.
I'd
like
to
just
talk
through
the
points
which
have
been
raised
in
mr
golden's
representation.
G
Indeed,
mr
golden
is
the
only
representation,
as
has
been
mentioned
to
the
the
panel
already
and
west
yorkshire
police
didn't
see
fit
and
to
make
a
representation,
and
neither
did
lead
city
council's
environmental
health
departments,
and
this
can
only
lead
me,
and
I
would
implore
you
to
presume
that
both
have
looked
at
the
application.
G
They,
of
course,
will
serve
with
the
application
when
it
was
made
and
have
deemed
the
proposals
put
forward
and
the
conditions
put
forward
as
part
of
the
application
to
be
sufficient
and
to
promote
all
four
licensing
objectives
and
the
only
representation
that's
been
made
deals
with
four
issues
and
issue.
One
difficulties
with
parking
and
traffic
issue.
G
Two
is
youths
gathering
outside
the
premises,
and
this
it's
been
stressed
in
the
application
in
the
representation
that
this
will
increase
due
to
live
music
number,
three
litter
being
dropped
outside
the
premises,
and
for
that
it
is
a
quiet
residential
area
and
if
the
application
is
granted
that
this
may
change
dealing
with
each
four
in
turn
in
terms
of
parking
and
traffic,
this
isn't
a
licensing
objective
point
per
se.
I
would
submit,
and
indeed
prior
to
the
most
recent
submission
from
mr
golden.
G
We
have
no
evidence
of
any
parking
issues
whatsoever.
Now
mr
golden
submitted
a
photograph
which
shows
a
a
silver
links
of
vw
golf
parked
on
on
the
street,
and
I've
run
this
past.
My
client,
who
states
that,
whilst
it's
obviously
difficult
to
confirm
he's
at
the
view
that
this
is
most
likely,
somebody
attending
the
chinese
takeaway
nearby
parking
away
from
the
premises
is
something
which
is
difficult
for
any
premises
to
to
keep
on
top
of,
and
indeed
I'm
sure
the
local
highways
department
would
have
something
to
say.
G
If
parking
was
going
to
be
an
issue-
and
I
would
note
that
and
page
37
of
the
bundle
which
part
of
the
risk
assessment-
a
condition
has
been
offered.
Three
conditions
indeed
have
been
offered
with
regard
to
parking
with
regard
to
transport
and
pedestrian
movement
generally.
So
I'd
ask
you
to
keep
these
in
in
mind
when
considering
the
parking
issue
in
terms
of
youths
gathering
outside
duty
live
music.
G
Mr
goldman's
hopefully
provided
a
photo
a
couple
of
photographs
as
to
what
he
sees
as
the
youth
gathering
outside
I've
actually
run
these
past
my
clients
and
who
explains
to
me
that
these
are
actually
used
or
in
fact
well
it's
not
it's
not
the
clearest
picture,
but
these
these
are
individuals.
G
With
the
greatest
respect
to
mr
golden,
I
think
he's
misunderstood
the
application
in
terms
of
what
is
being
offered
or
misinterpreted
the
application
perhaps,
and
an
acoustic
continental
style
guitarist
in
my
submission,
won't
lead
to
youths
congregating
outside
the
premises,
as
is
shown
at
page
14
of
the
bundle
in
the
application.
G
Mr
carvany
is
looking
to
improve
the
premises
and
push
it
further
up
markets,
which,
in
my
view,
means
it's
incredibly
unlikely
that
any
guitar
music
at
the
premises,
which
is
acoustic,
guitar,
music
non-amplified
and
will
lead
to
any
increases
in
people
gathering
outside
the
premises
and
in
terms
of
litter.
I'd.
G
Ask
you
to
turn
to
page
37
of
the
bundle
and
there's
a
crucial
condition
which
is
being
offered
at
the
outset
of
the
application
by
my
client,
which
states
that
the
premises
license,
holder
and
or
dps,
which
is
both
going
to
be
him
and
will
ensure
that
litter,
including
cigarette
ends,
will
be
played
away
regularly
and
promotion
materials
won't
create
litter
so
condition
which,
in
my
submission,
is
more
than
sufficient.
We'll
deal
with
that
point
as
well,
and
one
very
slight
point
to
make.
G
If
it's
of
any
importance
is
the
photograph
submitted
by
mr
golden
showing
the
what
looks
to
be
a
chip
box
near
a
bin,
a
it's
not
clear
whether
that's
come
from
my
client's
premises
or
not,
he
says
it's.
He
doesn't
believe
it
has,
but
of
course,
without
having
a
clearer
picture,
it's
difficult
to
tell,
but
indeed
there
is
a
bin
which
looks
to
be
one
which
is
maintained
by
elite
city
council
very
close
by
and
there's
not
much
else
that
my
client
can
do
that.
G
I
think
other
than
cleared
the
area
and
and
asked
the
council
to
keep
keep
up
with
the
bins.
And
lastly,
in
terms
of
the
quiet
residential
area,
point
I'd
submit
that
this
is
a
property
which
is
on
the
main
road.
There
are
other
license
premises
nearby
and
a
train
station
nearby,
and
I
don't
have
the
page
in
the
bundle.
G
Unfortunately,
but
there
is
a
very
helpful
map
which
I
think
has
been
prepared
by
matthew
in
the
bundle
which
shows
the
the
location
of
the
other
premises
and
which
are
close
to
this
one
and
more
general
comments
in
terms
of
the
licensing
policy
and
something
I
would
like
to
bring
up
as
well
and
my
client,
when
he's
put
the
application
together
and
has
either
buy
by
look
or
by
design
and
put
together
an
application
which
does
satisfy
the
points
raised
in
the
elite
city
council,
2019
to
2023
licensing
policy,
a
few
paragraphs
of
that
which
I'll
not
boy
with
for
too
long,
paragraph
3.4
regarding
the
prosperity
of
the
leads
economy.
G
This
application,
we
say,
will
promote
that
paragraph.
4.4
applicants
are
supposed
to
risk,
assess
their
operation
now.
Clearly,
this
is
an
incredibly
substantial
risk
assessment
and
schedule
which
has
been
put
forward.
So
this
clearly
has
been
done.
Paragraph
4.19
says
the
focus
on
the
effect
of
licensable
activities
should
be
on
the
people
living
and
working
in
the
area.
Now.
G
One
thing
I
would
say
is
that
this
application
includes
live
music
and
recording
music,
which,
strictly
speaking
of
the
premises
this
size
and
for
the
hours
which
have
been
sought,
is
not
currently
regulated.
Pursuant
to
the
terms
of
the
live
music
accent.
I'm
sure,
if
the
panel
require
any
clarification
on
this,
the
legal
services
team
will
be
happy
to
assist.
G
My
client
has
been
open
enough
to
put
forward
these
in
the
operating
schedule
so
that
the
the
council
can
see
precisely
what
is
being
applied
for
and
what
is
going
to
be
done.
There
was
no
obligation
for
him
to
do
so
and
he's
gone
over
and
above
the
requirements
I
would
say,
which
can
only
be
to
his
credit.
G
Applicants
should
have
regard
to
the
location
of
the
proposed
premises.
Well
again,
this
is
a
long-standing
premises
on
a
main
road
and
there
should
be
no
change
in
terms
of
the
any
impact
that
it
has
on
the
local
area
and
indeed
on
any
of
the
four
licensing
objectives.
G
The
council
recognizes
that
it
is
necessary
to
balance
the
rights
of
local
residents,
businesses
and
others,
and
with
those
wishing
to
provide
licensable
activities
and
those
who
wish
to
use
such
facilities,
and
when
keeping
this
in
mind
that
ask
the
panel
to
to
give
sufficient
weight
to
the
fact
that
there
are
no
other
representations
whatsoever
either
from
other
local
residents
or
indeed
from
any
of
the
responsible
authorities
and
the
conditions
which
have
been
put
forward
in
the
risk
assessments
and
the
schedule
are
appropriate
and
proportionate
and
indeed,
in
my
view,
go
somewhere
beyond
that
which
mr
cavani
could
have
been
expected
to
offer.
G
And
so,
in
summary,
it's
a
very
well-run
site
currently,
which
has
put
forward
a
considered
and
full
application
which
deals
with
all
four
licensing
objectives
conclusively,
in
my
view,
not
only
the
prevention
of
public
nuisance,
no
responsible
authorities
making
objections
is
a
great
sign
that
the
application
includes
sufficient
provisions
to
ensure
that
the
licensing
objectives
are
promoted
and
I'd.
Ask
that
the
application
be
granted
a
sort.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
myself
and
mr
carvany,
I'm
sure
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
those
but
I'll
hand
back
to
the
chair
in
the
meantime,.
C
E
Yeah,
mr
smith,
was
very
clear
about
about
the
application.
I
just
have
a
couple
of
queries.
Please
just
to
get
my
understanding
absolutely
right.
E
It's
described
as
a
pizzeria
and
bar
now
the
bar,
as
I
understand
it,
from
the
application,
is
a
new
entity
and
what
I
wanted
to
ask
was
within
the
pizzeria.
This
will
presumably
have
tables.
That's
that's
a
question.
E
Will
the
new
bar
be
separate
from
the
restaurant,
so
in
other
words,
could
somebody
go
to
the
restaurant
or
the
bar
and
not
necessarily
at
the
same
time
and
in
terms
of
under
18s?
E
If
a
group
say,
family
group
came
along
with
somebody
under
18,
how
could
that
person
be
not
welcomed
into
into
the
bar
area?
If
I
can
just
ask
those
questions,
please
initially.
G
Sure
and
thank
you
to
deal
with
those
in
turn.
There
is
a
premises,
licensing
plan
which
was
submitted
to
the
local
authority
and
admittedly
I
can't
see
it
in
in
the
bundle
and
I'm
sure
matthew
might
be
able
to
circulate
that
and
if
it's
available
and
the
bar
area
is
separate
to
the
takeaway
area,
a
separate
front
door.
If
you
will
and
I'm
not
sure
how
how
it
may
assist
the
panel.
D
G
Thank
you,
and
in
terms
of
children
and
on
the
site,
I've
discussed
this
with
my
clients,
and
indeed
attaback
is
a
very
diligent
operator,
and
indeed,
as
as
I'm
sure,
members
who
have
dealt
with
quite
a
few
of
these
applications
will
be
where
not
all
operators
will
put
together
a
risk
assessment
and
then
add
that
to
the
application
in
full
and
what
attaback
has
done.
G
If
you
go
to
page
39
of
the
bundle
is
he
has
under
the
sales
of
alcohol
section
and
I'll
give
you
the
code
for
the
for
the
condition
it's
8
pf,
0,
8,
4
people
under
18
years
of
age
will
not
be
admitted
to
the
premises
and
atabat
will
be
able
to
provide
comments
shortly,
I'm
sure,
but
he
will
admit
that
I
think
what
he
thought
he
was
ticking
when
he
ticked
that
box
was
to
say
that
nobody,
under
the
age
of
18,
of
course,
will
be
able
to
purchase
alcohol
or
what
I
have
spoken
to
at
back
about
it's.
G
It's
no
secret
is
that
if
he
wants
children
present
on
the
site,
he's
going
to
have
to
submit
a
further
application
either
for
a
minor
or
full
variation
of
the
license.
Now,
and
my
understanding
is
that,
subject
to
the
outcome
of
this
application,
there
are
going
to
be
fairly
significant
works
carried
out
on
the
premises
in
order
to
turn
it
into
the
the
market
venue
that
I've
just
presented
to
you,
and
what
I
would
say
is
that
the
time
it's
going
to
take
for
those
works
to
be
carried
out
may
very
well
see.
G
The
council
receive
a
further
application
for
a
variation
to
allow
under
18s
into
the
takeaway
and
into
the
the
bar
area,
and
it's
obviously
it's
attaback's
preference
to
leave
the
condition
as
it
is
now,
rather
than
risk
discovering
the
application
and
turning
back
the
clock
to
the
start
of
the
application
process,
given
that,
indeed,
this
application
was
submitted
many
months
ago
and
but
I'm
sure
artifact
will
make
no
secret
that
moving
forward.
He
will
want
children
at
the
premises,
but
of
course,
only
at
such
time
as
the
licensed
permits.
E
G
Yes,
correct
and
you'll
see
when
matthew
sends
through
the
plan
and
there
are
no
tables
in
the
the
takeaway
area.
If
I
can
call
it
that
in
fact,
it
it's
a
fairly
small
and
full
small
area.
There
may
be
a
bench
by
the
look
of
the
plan
to
allow
people
to
sit
and
wait
for
takeaways,
but
again
that's
going
to
be
dependent
upon
the
cobin
situation
and
social
distancing
and
how
everything
goes
with
that.
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Counselor
drink
water.
A
G
That's
that's
correct
and
again
all
will
become
clear
when
the
panel
sees
the
plan.
The
only
people
that
can
move
from
one
area
to
the
other
will
be
staff
and
that
will
be
through
a
door
at
the
rear.
If
that
makes
sense,
customers
coming
in
can
either
walk
into
the
bar
or
into
the
takeaway,
and
there's
no
thoroughfare
for
customers
between
the
two.
G
G
The
yeah,
whilst
whilst
they're
waiting
for
food
but
clearly
and
they're
not
able
to
take
drinks
away
and
that
that's
an
important
point
that
about
made
in
the
application
this
is.
This
is
not
an
application
for
off
sales
at
all.
As
far
as
I
can
see
from
the
paperwork,
all
he's
asking
for
is
people
to
be
able
to
come
and
have
a
drink
in
the
bar
area
or
come
and
buy
a
pizza
and
perhaps
have
a
beer,
while
you're
waiting
for
your
pizza
to
be
cooked.
E
G
The
licenseable
area
is
stated
to
include
the
takeaway
area.
I
believe-
and
one
thing
that's
important
to
note-
is
that
while
social
distancing
is
going
on
and
whilst
people
are
waiting
for
their
food
outside
the
premises,
outer
back
won't
be
letting
people
drink
in
the
the
takeaway
area.
G
D
D
So
all
members,
legal
officer
should
be
in
receipt
of
the
answer
with
committee
committee
clark
as
well.
D
C
Mr
smith,
could
I
also
ask
your
bar
area,
I
know
you
said
in
the
in
the
takeaway
area.
You've
got
no
tables
for
people
to
sit
down.
Do
you
have
the
same,
the
bar
area
or
have
you
got
tables
in
the
back
area?.
G
Yes,
there
will
be
tables
in
the
bar
area
tables
and
chairs,
not
fixed
tables
and
chairs,
which
is
why
they're
not
represented
on
the
plan
and
attaback
might
be
able
to
tell
you
how
many
covers
are
going
to
be
in
the
area.
But
it's
with
people
sitting
down
and
eating
pizzas
having
a
drink.
That
kind
of
thing.
C
No
okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation
truly
appreciated
and
the
subcommittee
will
now
move
into
a
private
session
to
deliberate
on
the
application.
Could
I
ask
that
all
parties,
including
the
applicant
and
the
representative
and
the
licensing
officer,
remain
available?
Should
the
subcommittee
have
any
additional
questions?
C
B
Can
I
just
to
interject
that
I
don't
have
any
sort
of
voice
at
the
moment.
A
Yes,
apologies
chair.
It's
now
the
opportunity
for
the
objector
to
to
speak
to
the
to
the
committee
right.
Okay.
Is
that
right,
I'll,
just
check
with
the
legal
officer
for
15
minutes?
That's
right,
legal
officer.
F
Yes,
I
think
it
is
appropriate
for
the
for
the
object
to
speak,
obviously
to
the
the
subcommittee
and
the
time
limit
is
15
minutes.
Can
I
perhaps
take
this
opportunity
to
apologize
to
mr
smith.
I
didn't
check
with
him
whether
he
wished
to
reserve
any
of
his
15
minutes
to
address
the
subcommittee
at
the
end,
and
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
he
has
any
of
that
15
minutes
less.
G
C
B
Yeah,
obviously,
I'm
just
a
resident-
I'm
not
used
to
these
type
of
meetings,
so
you
must
bear
with
me
sorry,
but
I
do
feel
this
is
a
very
rosy
picture
being
painted
that
you
know
up
to
now,
we've
been
reasonably
tolerant
of
the
the
cars
being
parked,
and
you
know
I
live
directly
across
from
this
takeaway
and
I've
got
to
say
that
it's
not
only
me.
That's
not
happy
about
this.
B
There
is
other
residents,
but
there's
only
me,
that's
taken
up
the
mantle
and
decided
to
you
know
to
state
our
case.
You
know
on
this
morning
I
had
one
of
the
neighbors
say.
Well,
if
you
want
any
more
evidence,
videos
pictures
things
like
that,
they're
quite
happy
to
pass
them
all
over
to
me,
so
they've
always
been
taking
note
of
these
problems.
B
Also
this
plan
that
suddenly
appeared,
which
I
had
no
idea,
that
it
was
going
to
be
a
separate
bar
under
pizza,
there's
nothing
in
the
the
health
and
safety
file
that
that
states
that,
and
I
think
it's
the
health
and
safety
file
which
which
I've
picked
various
points
on
which
I
hope
that
you've
picked
up
on
such
as
the
only
18s
I'll
hold
in
there.
And
now
some
limits
to
smith
has
said
that
there's
going
to
be
a
further
application
in
to
to
resolve
that.
B
Likewise,
the
music,
which
is
saying
that
it's
just
going
to
be
one
person
playing
a
guitar,
do
I
take
this
music
license,
will
allow
them
to
change
that,
or
will
that
be
solely
for
one
lady
or
one
man
with
a
a
guitar
just
plain
you
know.
Can
you
tell
me
these
these
type
of
points.
B
And
obviously,
when
I've
read
this
health
and
safety
plan,
there's
so
many
holes
in
it
that
I
think
it
wants
reassessing,
because
you
know
I'm
not
happy
with
all
the
the
points
that
they've
got
they've
got
sale
of
alcohol
will
be
ancillary
to
service
of
tables,
but
they're
also
saying
that
if
you're
stood
in
the
in
the
turquoise
section,
you
can
have
a
drink
there,
you
can
have
a
drink
outside,
which
has
clearly
been
so
he's
saying
so
people.
So
this
will
stop
people
drinking
outside
on
the
pavement
you
know.
B
B
B
Well,
there's
there's
quite
a
few
bit,
but
hopefully
I
put
that
into
the
the
letter
that
I
put
you
know
stating
all
the
items,
one
of
the
other
things
is
for
when
this,
when
this
application
was
applied
for
right.
At
the
end,
we
noticed
a
small
notice
on
cavani's
door,
which
we
had
to
cross
the
road
to
have
a
look
and
see
what
it
was
about
and
realize
that
he
was
putting
an
application
in
for
a
bar.
B
B
So
you
know,
I
think,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
issues
here
and
I'm
sure
that
I
could
have
got
other
residents
and
brought
them
in
to
to
you
know
represent,
so
there
would
have
been
quite
a
few
applications
if
I'd
wanted
to.
But
I
didn't
feel
that
that
was
the
case
that
I
would
need
to
do
that.
B
But
you
know,
because
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
indication
that
I'm
the
only
protester.
B
Well,
you
know
I've
got
to
make
the
point
that
I'm
not,
and
I
mean
I
was
talking
to
a
neighbor
this
morning
telling
him
that
he
wants
to
know
what
the
the
outcome
this
is
going
to
be,
and
he
leaves
that
directly
up
across
from
kiranis
as
I
do
and
he's
got
little
boy
which
is
going
to
be
moving
into
the
front
bedroom
and
he's
quite
worried
about
the
noise
and
thing
that's
going
on
which
there
is
noise,
and
you
know,
we've
been
very
so
consolatory
to
it
all,
because
we
didn't
move
in.
B
We
knew
there
were
a
pizza
place
across
there,
but
we
didn't
realize
that
you
know
there's
going
to
be
two
bars.
There
is
another
bar
there
now,
which
is
mr
cavani's,
who
he
owns
that
bar
and
I
and
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
perfectly
good
pub
within
five
minutes
walk.
That's
got
all
the
facilities,
large
parking,
an
outside
area,
and
it's
well
away
from
you
know
other
residents
yeah.
That's
really!
You
know
what
I've
got
to
say
for
this.
C
G
Okay,
great
in
terms
of
the
under
18's
point
that
mr
golden
makes
and
a
further
application,
and
it's
only
this
application,
which
is
before
the
committee
today
and
indeed
any
future
application
will
be
dealt
with
on
its
own
merits.
As,
of
course,
this
one
will
be
and
in
terms
of
the
soul,
guitarist
and
what
changes
may
be
made.
I'd
remind
the
panel
that
live
music
and
recording
music
and
at
the
times
we
are
seeking
it
in
the
premises
of
this
size
isn't
a
license
for
like
well.
G
So
it
isn't
a
regulated
activity
anymore,
pursue
the
live
music
act
and
indeed
it
would
be
open
to
our
client
to
remove
the
request
through
at
all,
but
he
would
still
be
able
to
do
it
and
in
I'm
sure
the
the
panel
will
be
advised
by
the
legal
advisors
as
to
the
enforcement
measures
which
are
open
to
and
the
local
authority
in
terms
of
licensed
premises
generally,
and
I
can
confirm,
there'll
be
no
drinks
outside,
as
mr
golden's
touched
upon,
and
indeed
the
blue
notice
was
put
up.
G
I'm
I'm
told-
and
there
are
no
issues
with
the
blue
notice,
which
was
served
in
terms
of
the
tv
music
which
mr
carvany
is
currently
showing.
I've
got
no
instructions
on
that,
but
indeed
I'll
just
remind
the
panel
that
background
music
isn't
a
licensable
activity
and
I
think
I'll
leave
it.
I
think
the
panel
said
quite
enough
from
me
for
this
morning,
unless
there
are
any
questions,
of
course,.
C
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
smith.
Like
I
said
earlier,
we're
gonna
just
go
into
a
breakout
session.
Now,
if
you
please
don't
leave
so
just
stay
back,
because
if
we've
got
further
questions,
we
would
like
to
invite
you
back
yes,
councillor
buckley.
E
I
was
just
going
to
ask
chair
whether
we
could
ask
the
odd
question
of
the
objector.
E
All
right,
I
just
wanted
to
get
clear,
because
mr
golden
obviously
has
concerns
understandably,
and
we
know
that
the
premises
are
we're
told
that
the
premises
have
operated
since
1996,
and
I
have
two
or
three
questions.
E
My
first
question
was:
how
long
has
mr
golden
lived
there
and
has
the
inconvenience
got
worse
or
better
or
that's
the
first
question,
but
also
to
say
that
if,
from
his
point
of
view,
if
his
concerns
about
the
music,
the
sound
of
the
music,
not
leaving
the
premises
and
people
not
making
a
noise
on
the
pavement,
if
those
concerns
were
satisfactorily
addressed,
would
he
feel
better
about
this
application?
B
B
You
know
we
have
an
issue
at
the
moment
with
the
new
extractor
fan,
that's
been
installed,
which
I
I
assume
is
for
this
new
bar
area,
which
is
so
loud.
It's
like
a
jumbo
jet
we're
waiting
to
take
off,
which
you
know
we're
trying
to
address
that
with
mr
cavani
and
he's
supposed
to
be
coming
back
to
me,
saying
he's
gonna
have
a
new
lead
put
on
a
whatever,
which
I
don't
think
is
going
to
be
sufficient.
B
So
you
know
then
things
like
that
in
mind.
I
don't
want
to
be
forever
looking
at
cars
parked
in
front
in
front
of
my
house,
parked
double
parked
blocking
blocking
my
access
in
various
things
like
this,
which
mr
cavani
did
open
another
takeaway,
two
doors
down
which
has
created
extra
traffic,
and
we
can
just
about
cope
with
that.
B
You
know
the
part
right
outside
the
house:
it's
not
good,
but
by
the
time
I'd
phoned
the
police
they'd
be
gone,
so
it's
pointless
doing
that
so
yeah.
I
am
concerned
that
once
this
has
passed
that
that
will
be
it
it
will
be
presently
set
and
there
will
be
no
recourse
on
it.
Other
than
complaining,
which
you
know.
I
don't
want
to
be
doing
every
five
minutes.
B
You
know
I'm
quite
happy
for
it
as
it
is
now
which
I
said
it
in
me
complaint
that
you
know
I'm
quite
happy
for
him
to
get
an
alcohol
license,
but
not
a
bar.
I
didn't
realize
it
was
going
to
be
a
bar.
I
was
just
think
because
I
already
it
supplies
beer
with
the
takeaways,
which
I
thought
that's
what
he
was
applying
for
on
his
other
take
was
just
two
doors
down
there's.
B
G
Very
sorry
to
interrupt
very,
very
sorry
to
instruct,
because
I
make
one
very,
very
quick
point
that
mr
cavani
isn't
the
premises
license
holder
for
any
surrounding
premises.
I
understand
it's
a
family
member
of
his,
but
he
he
isn't
the
premises
license
holder,
he's
not
responsible
for
that
site.
C
D
Yeah,
please
I'd
just
like
to
clarify
the
matter
regarding
which
activities
can
take
place
in
which
area
of
the
premises.
C
D
Now
all
participants
in
this
meeting
should
be
in
receipt
of
the
plan,
which
shows
a
red
line,
delineating
an
area
which
is
the
bar
area.
Now
you'll
note
that
the
application
only
includes
alcohol
consumption
on
the
premises,
so
only
alcohol
can
be
sold
and
consumed
in
that
red
area.
D
Okay,
if
you
also
look
at
the
key
of
on
the
plan,
usually
that
that
red
line
would
be
included
within
the
key
to
indicate
the
licensable
area,
but
on
this
instance,
it's
not
being
included,
so
you
can
take
it
as
the
red
area
is
a
licensed
area
or
the
whole
area
on
the
plan
is
to
be
licensed
and
if
that's
the
case,
and
that
would
mean
that
no
under
18s
would
be
able
to
collect
pizza
from
the
takeaway
area.
B
C
Okay
right,
we
would
go
into
a
private
session
like
I
said
earlier.
If
we
do
have
further
questions,
we
would
invite
you
back
in
so
please
do
not
leave
okay
and
that's
to
mr
smith
and
mr
golden.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
for
all
your
presentations
and
we'll
be
back
to
you
shortly.
Many.
A
C
Okay,
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
patience.
We
won't
be
long
now
before
we
finish.
We
have
just
two
more
questions
to
ask
you,
mr
smith,
and
the
first
one
will
be
regarding
the
timing
for
playing
your
music
on
page
eight,
your
live
music
says
it's
seven
o'clock
till
nine
o'clock
and
recorded
music
for
monday
to
fri.
From
monday
to
thursday
you
have
from
4
30
to
11
o'clock
and
friday
and
saturday.
C
You
have
from
4
30
to
11
30
and
on
page
18
you
have
all
at
the
same
time,
till
11
pm
apart
from
saturday
now
from
right
up
to
11
o'clock,
you're.
Okay,
you
don't
need
a
light.
You
don't
need
a
license
to
play
recruited
music,
but
after
11
o'clock
you
do
so.
We
would
like
to
ask
you:
are
you
able
to
keep
all
the
timing
up
until
11
o'clock
or
will
that
be
a
problem.
G
G
G
Okay,
I
think
I
can
answer
that
one
already,
because
I
I
just
double
checked
the
position.
Whilst,
whilst
we
were
in
the
break,
matthew
may
be
able
to
confirm
this.
But
I
me
he
and
I
were
in
email
correspondence
actually
between
the
application
going
in
and
now,
and
we
actually
actually
sent
in
to
matthew
an
amended
plan.
G
And
now
the
amended
plan
that
was
sent
in
in
terms
of
the
the
app
the
red
outlined
area
only
includes
the
bar
area,
and
I've
actually
just
been
discussing
this
with
attaback
during
the
break
as
well,
and
we're
happy
that
as
far
as
licensable
activities
are
concerned,
including
the
sale
of
alcohol,
that
the
takeaway
area
won't
be
included
in
that
that
wouldn't
necessarily
prevent
a
sale
taking
place
in
the
bottle
being
plucked
from
the
bar
area
and
then
delivered
to
somebody
in
the
takeaway
area.
G
But
then,
of
course,
the
consumption
of
alcohol
isn't
the
licensable
activity,
it's
the
sale
itself,
and
so,
if
I
could
perhaps
clarify
your
question,
sorry
to
be
difficult,
is
it
that
you
want
simply
to
have
the
bar
area
only
as
being
licensed?
Or
is
it
that
you
wish
to
prevent
alcohol
from
being
consumed
in
the
takeaway
waiting
area
b
b?
Okay
right
and
give
me
two
minutes
and
then
I'll
have
a
conversation
and
I'll
just.
A
A
G
Hi,
yes,
I've
taken
instructions
from
mata
back
and
he's
happy
to
limit
recorded
music
on
saturday
to
11
p.m
and
happy
for
a
condition
to
be
added
that
no
alcohol
be
consumed
in
the
takeaway
waiting
area,
which
I
think
deals
with.
Both
concerns.
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
that,
mr
smith,
and
that
actually
concludes
our
session
for
today.
I
would
like
to
thank
each
and
every
one
of
you
for
attending
and
you
will
be
informed
of
our
decision
in
within
five
working
days
from
today.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
being
very
good
parties
today
we
appreciate
it
and
you
will
hear
from
us
very
soon.