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A
C
My
name
is
council
andrew
hutcherson
I'll
be
chairing
today's
hearing
before
I
proceed
further,
could
I
remind
everyone
that
today's
meeting
is
being
streamed,
live
on
the
city
council's
youtube
channel?
Did
I
ask
the
following
members
of
the
subcommittee
to
introduce
themselves
to
councillor
flynn.
C
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
am
councillor
hutchinson
at
mourinho
ward.
So
I'd
like
to
start
the
hearing
today
by
confirming
that
this
meeting
of
the
licensing
subcommittee
meets
the
requirements
of
the
council's
constitution.
Even
though
members
of
the
panel
are
in
remote
attendance
while
items
today
will
be
fully
discussed
as
usual,
remote
attendance
requires
a
few
slight
changes
as
to
how
I
will
manage
the
debate.
C
Therefore,
can
all
attendees
mute
their
microphones
unless
I
invite
them
to
speak,
this
will
avoid
disruption
from
background
noise.
Can
all
participants
please
keep
their
cameras
on
during
the
hearing,
all
participants
will
be
invited
to
introduce
themselves
at
the
start
of
the
hearing
to
make
it
clear
to
public
observers,
he'll
be
involved
in
proceedings.
C
C
We've
got
matthew
nelson
entertainment
licensing.
C
And
could
I
ask
the
applicant
of
the
review
application
to
introduce
themselves?
I
think
we've
got
andy
clifford
west
georgia,
police.
G
Morning,
yeah
pc,
andy
clifford
from
west
shore,
police
licensing.
C
F
A
B
A
Sorry,
can
I
just
remind
members
that
we
are
still
broadcasting
live,
and
so
if
we
could
just
remain
muted
for
the
time
being,
I
understand
that
matthew
is
trying
to
get
in
touch
with
the
the
applicant
to
ensure
that
they
can
get
back
in.
Thank.
A
F
C
I
guess,
if
he's
agreeing
on
doing
that,
if,
if
I
guess,
if
he's
happy
to
do
that,
we
accept
it,
it's
only
them
that
would
not
be
able
to
see
the
video
unless
it
gives
them
a
bit
of
extra
time
to
get
the
internet
sorted
out.
I
don't
know.
F
A
F
I
did
there
tasha
do
you
have
the
telephone
number
for
them
to
to
call
to
call
into
the
into
the
meeting.
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
Hello,
everyone,
so
I've
just
been
on
the
phone
while
they've
joined
the
meeting
and
they've
been
added.
Now
is
the
telephone
number
and
the
calling
I've
explained
to
the
applicant
and
his
representative
that
the
the
cctv
footage
will
be
viewed
that
will
be
forwarded
to
pertinent
points
and
the
copy.
What
what's
going
to
be
shown
has
already
been
sent
with
the
application
form
and
they're
happy
with
that.
C
Okay,
do
we
know
to
what
point
the
the
license
holder
got
to
with
regards
to
our
script?
Did
they
manage
to
get
the?
Are
they
happy
for
us
to
continue
straight
on
after
their
introductions.
C
H
Hi,
sorry,
I
didn't
know,
I
expressed
star
six
and
it's
mr
chuma
here
and
I'm
here
with
mr
singh.
The
license
holder.
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chima.
Mr
singh,
are
you
happy
for
us
to
continue
from
where
we
got
to
when
you
left
the
meeting
previously.
H
C
That's
great
okay,
so
we
will
continue
from
where
we
left
off
from
there.
So
I
believe
it's
down
to
clark
john.
C
A
A
Therefore,
could
I
ask
that
members
resolve
to
exclude
the
press
and
the
public
from
the
meeting?
Should
you
require
any
discussion
on
those
appendices
under
a
gender
item?
Number
four:
there
are
no
formal
late
items
and
under
agenda
number,
five
police
could
ask
members
to
declare
any
disposable
pecuniary
interests.
C
Thanks
natasha,
so
agenda
item
number
six:
the
review
of
the
premises
license
for
neil's
superstore,
nine
to
eleven
reginald
rowe
chapel
town
ls7,
three
hp.
Could
the
legal
advisor
to
the
subcommittee
outline
the
procedure
for
the
hearing?
Please.
E
Thank
you.
It's
robert
brown,
our
usual
procedure
for
this
type
of
application
is
that
the
the
applicant
in
this
case,
west
yorkshire,
police,
would
address
the
committee
first,
the
other
parties,
and
in
this
case
that's
the
licence,
holder
and
their
representative,
will
then
address
the
committee.
E
Then
west
yorkshire
police
would
have
the
chance
to
respond
to
anything
said
by
the
other
parties
in
making
its
determination,
the
subcommittee
will
consider
what
is
appropriate
and
proportionate
to
promote
the
licensing
objectives,
namely
one
the
prevention
of
crime
and
disorder
to
the
promotion
of
public
safety,
three,
the
prevention
of
public
nuisance
and
for
the
protection
of
children
from
harm
the
regulations
permit
the
subcommittee
to
set
a
time
limit
on
presentations
providing
the
same
time
limit
is
applied
to
all
parties.
E
Our
usual
time
limit
is
15
minutes
per
party,
and
the
applicant
may
wish
to
split
their
allocation
between
their
initial
presentation
and
their
subsequent
response
to
the
other
parties,
for
example,
10
minutes
initially
and
then
five
minutes
at
the
end,
the
chair
may
wish
to
ask
the
parties
whether
or
not
they
think
15
minutes
will
be
sufficient
at
this
point.
G
Yeah,
for
me,
I'd
probably
ask
if
you
could
allocate
joanne
a
little
bit
of
speaking
time.
The
things
I've
got
to
say
will
probably
take
me
around
seven,
seven
or
eight
minutes,
and
so
that's
the
only
thing
that
I'd
really
ask.
A
C
E
To
your
rob,
sorry:
okay,
that's
okay!
Then
a
limit
timer
to
15
minutes
per
party
will
apply
to
all
presentations
after
each
presentation.
The
subcommittee
members
may
wish
to
ask
questions
the
time
for
questions
to
be
asked
and
answered
is
in
addition
to
the
time
set
for
presentations.
E
We've
you've
explained
how
you
wish
to
split
your
time,
but
bear
in
mind
that
the
clock
will
be
ticking.
So
if
you
overrun,
then
you
you
will
be
cut
off.
Please
note
that
we
do
not
permit
cross-examination
in
sub-committee.
If
any
party
feels
there
is
a
crucial
question
that
needs
to
be
asked
and
answered.
Please
do
not
ask
the
person
directly,
but
instead
make
a
request
to
the
chair.
E
G
E
G
E
E
H
E
Okay,
there
are
also
some
documents
within
that
which
have
been
provided
by
the
police,
but
which
are
not
for
public
disclosure
would
not
therefore,
do
not
appear
on
the
on
the
internet.
E
It
would
be
helpful
when
referring
to
documents
to
identify
which
document
you're
referring
to
but
buying
them
by
page
number
or
letter.
In
some
cases,
additional
documents
may
now
only
be
tabled
with
the
consent
of
all
the
parties.
E
E
E
H
G
H
G
Just
ask
in
relation
to
the
cctv
that
I
know
that
we're
going
to
be
moving
on
to
like
a
private
lobby
to
view
that
and
that
my
witness
joanne
isn't
able
to
view
the
cctv
as
there's
an
ongoing
criminal
investigation.
And
I
don't
want
to
view
it
and
that
impacts
the
criminal
side
of
things.
E
Right,
that's
fine!
By
from
a
legal
perspective
from
from
my
point
of
view,
chair.
C
G
I
would
suggest
maybe
view
that
first
and
then
go
into
speaking
time,
but
you
know
open
to
suggestions.
C
Okay,
well,
I
I'm
I'm
happy
with
that
as
long
as
we're
all
clear
that
so
we'll
watch
the
cctv
first
and
then
we'll
go
on
to
the
the
applicant
and
then
the
respondent
speaking,
okay,
okay,
so
thanks
rob
the
could
the
licensing
officer
present
the
application?
Please.
F
Yeah,
of
course,
thank
you
chad.
So
today,
members
are
asked
to
consider
an
application
made
on
the
section
51
of
the
licensing
act
to
review
the
premise
license
for
neil
superstar
9-11
regional
raw
chapel
tower
leads
ls7.
The
application
is
made
by
west
yorkshire
police
and
was
served
on
the
license
and
authority
on
the
24th
of
march
2020..
F
The
application
is
made
on
the
grounds
of
the
prevention
of
crime
and
disorder,
the
prevention
of
public
nuisance,
public
safety
and
the
protection
of
children
from
harm
members
can
find
a
copy
of
the
application
appendix
say
on
page
11
of
the
report
due
to
the
ongoing
criminal
investigation
and
to
protect
personal
data.
This
document
is
exempt
from
public
viewing
in
accompaniment
with
the
application.
West
yorkshire
police
have
also
submitted
additional
information
which
can
be
found
on
appendix
b
page
19
of
the
report.
F
This
is
also
exempt
from
public
viewing
in
order
for
to
further
support
the
review
application.
West
shorts
police
have
also
submitted
cctv
footage
obtained
from
the
premises
this
will
be
presented
by
west
yorkshire
police
in
class
session.
On
the
day
of
the
hearing.
F
So
both
the
name
premise
license
holder
and
the
designated
premises
supervisor
is
mr
malkey
singh
in
attendance
today
and
according
to
the
records
I'll
buy
the
license
and
authority.
Mr
singh
has
operated
the
premises
as
a
convenience
store
with
the
provision
of
alcohol
sales
consumption
off
the
premises.
Pre-Introduction
of
the
license
net
2003.,
I
can
confirm
the
licensing
authority
has
not
received
any
representations
either
in
support
of
the
review,
application,
sort
by
west
harkshire,
police
or
in
support
of
the
licensed
premises
and
the
license
holder.
F
C
Thanks
matthew,
I
guess
we're
going
to
go
now
straight
to
the
cctv
footage,
so
I
guess
we're
going
to
go
to
a
breakout
room
to
watch
that
are
we
natasha.
C
C
So
I
believe
that
you
will
also
going
to
put
through
to
the
breakout
room
as
well,
mr
achievement,
mr
singh.
H
A
C
C
Okay,
is
everybody
back
that
needs
to
be
here?
Mr
mr
singer
present
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that.
Can
I
just
remind
people
as
well
that
we're
now
that
we
are
back
on
the
the
main
meeting
that
the
is
being
streamed
live
on
the
lead
city,
council,
youtube
channel,
okay,
just
a
reminder
as
a
pc?
C
Oh
there
you
go
there.
You
are
yeah
okay,
so
if
everybody's
present
and
back,
if
we
can
invite
west
yorkshire
police
to
present
their
case
for
reviewing
the
premises
license,
I
believe
you've
got
seven
minutes
and
then
mrs
grief.
G
G
G
G
G
The
shop
the
owner
has
not
once
shown
any
remorse
or
taking
personal
responsibility
for
what
has
happened.
Instead,
he
has
looked
to
attack
the
agency
bringing
this
review.
Yet
it
was
he
and
his
staff
who
sold
alcohol
to
an
underage
male
authorized
almost
30
transactions
in
one
hour,
totaling
just
under
700
pounds.
G
G
G
G
Let's
also
look
at
another
fact
where
these
payment
methods
were
stolen.
It's
about
one
mile
away
from
where
neal
superstar
is
there
are
a
number
of
places
closer
or
that
they
would
have
had
to
walk
past
in
order
to
get
to
meals.
The
most
sensible
solution
for
these
males
would
have
been
to
go
to
the
nearest
shop
before
the
payment
method
was
cancelled
by
the
victim
and
potentially
costing
them
financially.
G
It
seems
that
there
was
a
risk
and
reward
gamble
that
paid
off
for
them
by
passing
larger
chains
and
smaller
independent
shops,
where
they
would
likely
be
challenged.
I
believe
the
character
references
are
irrelevant.
They
do
not
negate
what's
happened
here,
which
is
a
serious
breach
of
the
licensing
objectives.
G
G
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
that
many
of
the
letters
appear
to
have
been
written
by
mr
singh
or
a
representative
of
his,
and
a
few
nominal
blanks
have
been
filled
in.
They
surely
can't
be
considered
as
personal
references
as
they
are
all
the
same
letter
and
represent
mr
singh's
own
thoughts
of
himself.
G
G
G
Mr
singh
says
they
allow
him
methods
to
be
passed
amongst
people
when
they
know
they
have
authorization
and
states
that
this
was
the
case
in
this
matter.
I'm
sure
joan
can
confirm
that
they
did
not
have
authority.
So
this
is
in
fact
a
lie
is
also
stated
that
cctv
shows
somebody
checking
the
card.
What
was
the
conclusion
of
this
check?
They
admit
to
knowing
the
suspects,
so
the
name
cannot
have
matched,
and
we
know
that
the
name
was
in
the
name
of
ms
johann
sharif.
G
G
G
It
is
similar
for
someone
buying
a
can
of
coke
and
then
coming
in
later
for
another
item
and
then
again,
it's
not
the
same
as
two
youths
spending
hundreds
of
pounds
in
back-to-back
transactions
in
such
a
short
space
of
time
to
suggest
so.
His
misdirection
on
mr
singh's
part
mr
singh
claims
due
to
years
he's
operated.
He
knows
all
of
his
customers
by
name.
G
G
What
concerns
me
is
that
no
responsibility
has
been
taken
whatsoever
by
mr
singh.
All
he
has
done.
He's
tried
to
divert
attention
away
from
himself
by
attacking
the
process
and
poor
causing
what's
being
served
today.
The
victim
is
here
today.
I
would
urge
you
to
allow
her
some
time
to
speak
or
ask
directly
any
questions
you
have
so
that
you
can
give
a
real
honest
account
of
how
subsequent
crimes
which
occurred
at
neil's
affected.
That
day.
For
all
the
previous
mentioned
issues,
west
yorkshire
police
seek
to
revoke
the
premises
license
and
neil
superstar.
G
C
Thank
you
for
that
pc
clifford
and
I
believe
mr
sharif
would
like
to
speak.
Utilizing
part
of
the
with
ten
minutes
for
the
applicant
in
your
own
time,
mrs
sharif.
A
A
A
We
have
been
left
with
the
consequences
of
this
attack
and,
in
my
opinion,
those
youths
knew
exactly
where
to
go
where
they
would
get
transactions
agreed
to
they
passed.
There
are
three
big
shops
much
nearer
by
co-op,
tesco
and
lidl,
where
of
course
they
would
have
been
id'd,
so
they
knew
exactly
where
to
go.
That's
my
opinion
and
it's
absolutely
awful
to
know
that
that's
happening
in
our
community
and
I
would
pay
it
for
another
resident
in
the
in
the
chapel
allerton
ward,
to
suffer
what
we've
suffered.
C
Thanks
for
that,
mrs
sharif,
so
if
the
applicant
has
no
further
admissions,
could
go
to
ward
members
any
of
the
subcommittee
award
members.
If
you
have
any
questions,
go
to
you.
First
councillor
flynn.
B
I'll
wait
until
after
both
both
parties
are
spoken.
C
Okay,
thanks
and
yourself
councillor,
marshall
katong,
the
same
okay,
so
yeah.
So
what
we'll
move
straight
then
on
to
invite
the
premises
license
holder
for
their
representative
to
present
their
case
and
as
councillor
flynn
suggested
there
that
we'll
probably
ask
questions
of
both
parties
after
we've
heard
both
submissions.
So
can
I
invite
the
premises
license
and
their
representative
please.
C
H
Thank
you
I'll
refer
to
new
superstars
throughout
our
submissions
as
niels
and
people
here
in
the
capacity
to
in
assist
my
submissions.
All
submissions
I've
been
making
have
been
reviewed
and
agreed
by
mark
peace
team.
So
it's
not
my
view.
H
It's
it's
it's
his
as
part
of
this
ambitions,
we're
about
to
make
we'd
like
to
invite
the
review
panel
to
ensure
they
have
reviewed
the
neil
issued
the
letter
issued
to
the
police
by
meals,
and
although
the
officer
says
that
the
14
character,
references
that
have
been
provided,
aren't
really
character
references,
we
would
submit
that.
We
refute
that
and
some
of
the
points
we
are
going
to
make
in
our
submissions
are
validated
by
those
character.
H
References
found
in
appendix
key
of
the
bundle-
and
we
do
want
to
highlight
something
before
we
start
going
to
our
submissions
in
respect
to
the
application.
The
rev
one
form
founding
appendix
of
the
bundle
about
page
18.,
and
it
was
drafted
by
pc4198
andrew
clifford
and
we're
a
bit
alarmed
that
it's
not
signed
and
therefore
there's
no
declaration
from
the
provider
to
affirm
the
contents
of
the
application
of
true
to
his
beliefs.
H
We
therefore
submit
it
for
the
review
panel
to
consider
and
draw
its
own
inference
in
respect
to
the
contents
of
the
application
and
whether
the
application
of
a
formal
one
is
valid.
We
do,
however,
note
that
the
guidance
notes
at
the
bottom
of
the
application
are
0.4
state.
The
application
must
be
signed,
as
this
is
a
formal
process
and
can
be
kind
of
profound
consequences
for
both
neil
and
mr
singh.
H
So
we
won't
reiterate
the
main
points
in
respect
of
why
there
is
a
revocation
of
the
license
as
we're
aware
that
the
west
yorkshire
police,
which
will
refer
to
them
as
the
police
as
part
of
our
submissions,
that
they're
seeking
that
we
are
undermining
all
four
licensed
objectives
and
the
prevention
of
crime
and
disorder
to
public
safety.
Three,
the
prevention
of
public
mutants
and
for
the
protection
of
children
from
harm.
H
The
police
believe
that
obviously
neil
seems
to
be
breachable
for
natural
reasons,
behind
the
application,
and
so
in
respect
of
point
one.
The
police
believe
you'll
do
nothing
to
promote
any
of
the
licensing
objectives
and
appear
to
have
actively
undermined
them
for
its
own
financial
gain.
H
In
response
since
they've
resubmitted
the
elders
operate
within
the
premises
for
over
27
years,
news
and
meals
have
never
ever
been
the
subject
of
any
criminal
investigation
over
this
period
of
time
because
of
their
actions
or
in
indirect
actions
in
support
and
in
stark
contrast
to
what
has
been
alleged
and
defined
by
the
police.
Neil
do
in
fact
promote
the
licensing
objectives.
Meals
are
seen
and
be
made
aware
of
various
public
disorders
over
many
many
years
and
made
a
conscious
effort
to
work
with
the
police
to
assist
wherever
they
can.
H
They
are
our
work
for
shooting
at
the
time
we
invite
the
police
to
check
their
records
for
the
number
of
occasions
where
needles
have
assisted
and
will
always
continue
to
do
so,
where
such
activities
are
taken
place
by
the
public
over
the
two
plus
decades.
Meals
have
worked
with
many
pcsos
pcs,
dc's
dcis,
superintendents
inspectors
and
commissioners,
where
they've
been
approached
to
assist
where
they
come
with
public
disorders
which
have
taken
place
in
the
wider
area
they
operate
within.
H
Maybe
the
shorebrick
and
mexico
areas
of
chapel
town
and
therefore
further
submit
meals
do
their
utmost
to
ensure
they
try
to
protect
and
promote
the
license
of
objectives
when
and
wherever
they
can.
Meals
have
allowed
police
to
stand
in
their
premises
and
work
with
them
to
ensure
the
local
community
is
aware.
The
area
is
well
policed
and
that
kneels
assist
the
police
where
it
can.
H
We
also
receive
many
many
thanks
of
accommodation
from
the
police,
with
the
assistance
they've
provided
over
many
many
years
where
they
have
confirmed
our
assistance
has
both
helped
prosecute
and
disrupt
social
misconduct
in
the
wider
area.
We
therefore
submit
we
refute
the
opinion
that
meals
do
not
promote
the
licensing
objectives.
H
Neos
would
also
further
submit
for
the
record
they
have
never
ever
had
either
the
premises
and
or
personal
license
reviewed.
Historically.
This
is
the
first
and
only
instance
of
the
say.
The
police
have
never
expressed
any
concerns
with
neil's
operation
under
the
licensing
rules,
and
neither
has
the
police
ever
questioned
and
or
assisted
meals.
On
the
same
in
respect
to
the
application
made
itself,
which
is
under
review
today,
you
can
clearly
see
meals
have
attempted
to
assist
the
police
to
bring
those
to
justice
of
the
crimes
which
were
committed
on
the
31st.
H
We
submit
meals
were
deeply
deeply
concerned
to
learn
that
some
of
their
customers
had
conducted
such
actions,
which
we
say
is
wholly
unacceptable.
As
a
result,
meals
have
banned
or
concerned
parties
from
enter
the
premises
ever
again
and
made
it
abundantly
clear
to
them
why
meals
have
decided
to
take
such
draconian
action
against
them
too.
H
This
is
an
action.
Meals
have
taken
with
various
customers
brought
historically
and
will
continue
to
do
so
going
forward.
Under
no
circumstances
does
neil
tolerate
any
such
actions
or
behaviors
from
any
person
or
persons
and
meals
will
always
do
their
uploads
to
ensure
the
communities
that
they
operate
and
serve
within
do
their
part
to
maintain
the
safety
of
the
public,
the
staff
and
their
customers.
H
We
know
the
police
are
seeking
a
full
revocation
of
the
premise's
license
under
review
due
to
their
opinion
that
neil
works
in
collusion
with
potential
suspects
niels
refutes
his
opinion
and
finds
the
same
quite
defamatory,
to
say
the
least.
We
submit
that
this
is
the
second
instance
in
over
27
years
of
meals,
operating
where
a
stolen
credit
or
debit
card
has
been
used
at
the
premises.
H
Given
the
sheer
number
of
car
transactions
meals
are
processed
over
that
period,
the
number
of
illegal
transactions
identified,
one
would
say,
is
very,
very,
very
new.
Had
we
have
been
working
in
collusion
with
the
non-suspects,
surely
the
volume
of
such
illegal
transactions
would
have
been
far
far
greater.
H
The
police
have
formed
an
opinion
about
meals
based
on
one
occasion
and
assumed
they
have
formed
that
opinion
based
on
the
number
of
transactions
taken
in
a
short
period
of
time.
However,
it's
no
different
from
any
of
the
day.
This
is
a
frustration
of
meals
and
has
been
for
many
many
years.
Neil
c
neil
asked
customers
to
simply
buy
what
they
need
and
make
one
transaction,
as
not
only
does
it
cost
them
per
transaction,
but
it
also
takes
up
more
of
their
time
and
slows
down
how
quickly
they
can
serve
for
the
customers.
H
Meals
of
customers
that
come
in
as
the
research
police
have
said,
and
we
confirm
that
they
buy
a
can
of
cork.
Then
they
come
five
minutes
later
and
buy
some
cigarettes
and
then
again
they
come
later
to
buy
some
alcohol,
although
meals
find
it
strange
in
any
onlooker
wood.
However,
neil's
have
seen
this
type
of
customer
behavior
for
over
20
years
and
they've
kind
of
used
to
it.
H
This
recently
objectively
demonstrates
the
meals
are
doing
what
they
can
to
prevent
crime
and
fraud.
However,
on
the
side,
meals
would
like
to
add,
after
further
reviewing
the
cctv
footage.
Mr
singer
spoken
to
the
shop
assistant
and
asked
that
he'd
be
more
prudent
when
taking
multiple
payments
from
one
customer
to
ask
questions
to
ensure
all
of
his
all
is
over
abroad,
the
police
say
the
meals
and
the
accused
have
some
type
of
understanding
between
them
and
that
they
allow
them
to
stand
aside
in
order
to
serve
other
customers
before
them.
H
This
is
quite
common
at
meals.
Most
customers
know
each
other
and
they're
quite
easy,
going
to
allow
other
customers
to
be
serve
before
them.
Likewise,
given
many
many
years,
meals
have
operated
in
the
area.
They
know
all
the
customers,
by
name
who
their
family
members
are
and
try
and
build
a
rapport
where
they
can.
This
is
both
for
a
customer
service
point
of
view
to
ensure
we
maintain
a
good
couple
of
opinion,
the
police
that
suggest
that
meals
make
meals
complicit
and
co-conspiracy
to
the
crime
we
submit.
This
is
completely
unfounded
and
untrue.
H
If
neil
speaks
to
someone
who
had
conducted
a
crime,
neil,
don't
know
what
they,
what
they've
done.
Neil
know
them
as
someone
else.
Not
everyone
knows
everyone
as
well
as
they
should.
How
can
meals
be
held
responsible
for
other
people's
actions
and
for
not
knowing
who
they
really
are
or
what
they've
been
up
to?
He
doesn't
like
the
review
panel
to
also
be
aware
that
neither
nor
pete
singh
or
any
member
of
his
staff
have
ever
been
arrested
in
connection
to
his
crime,
which
took
place
on
the
31st
to
2020.
H
H
Three,
the
police
believe
the
suspects
have
hung
around
meals,
whilst
transactions
are
taking
place.
In
addition,
alcohol
is
sold
to
them.
Therefore,
this
constitutes
a
public
nuisance
issue.
In
response
we
submit.
This
is
not
true.
Meals
do
not
allow
anyone
to
mill
around
the
shop.
Meals
have
always
moved
any
groups
on
and
to
try
and
attempt
to
do
the
same
on
hanging
outside
the
premises.
H
Niels
is
a
quite
small
shop
and
only
has
one
entrance
and
exit
there.
If
groups
were
hanging
outside
the
shop,
this
would
be
a
hindrance
to
others
which
wanted
to
visit
the
shop.
Hence
why
neil
does
not
accept
anyone
to
hang
around
outside
the
shop
and
therefore
the
opinions
formed
by
the
police
is
wholly
unfounded
and
untrue.
We
submit
no
objective.
Evidence
has
been
provided
by
the
police
in
the
respect
of
his
opinion.
We
therefore
invite
the
police
to
provide
any
objective
evidence
it
may
have.
H
Meals
is
in
the
middle
of
a
commercial
premises
of
three
within
the
parade
of
reginald
raw.
All
three
commercial
premises
are
owned
by
the
local
council
to
the
right
of
deals.
If
facing
out
for
meals
is
a
west
indian
turquoise
people
generally
visit
the
turquoise
in
groups
if
the
police
are
suggesting
that
is
those
said
groups
they
are
referring
to.
This
is
completely
out
of
the
yields.
Control
of
how
other
commercial
premises
choose
to
operate.
Moving
on
to
the
left
of
meals
is
a
charity
to
assist
children.
H
Therefore,
on
the
same
occasion,
there
are
groups
of
children
stood
outside
josh
genesis
again,
this
is
outside
of
neil's
control
and,
in
all
fairness
in
respect
to
that
charity,
there's
nowhere
else
for
the
children
to
go.
If,
on
a
break
in
respect
of
alcohol
being
sold
to
groups,
we
submit.
This
is
true.
Meals
is
a
shot
where
many
pass
by
on
their
way
to
barbecues
parties
or
to
the
park.
For
instance.
H
Therefore,
they
visit
the
shop
and
each
group
member
generally
buys
alcohol
amongst
other
items
for
others
in
the
group
or
individually
for
themselves,
as
it's
convenient
for
them,
giving
its
own
route
to
wherever
they
intend
to
kept
going.
Take,
for
example,
when
the
carnival
is
on
neil's
has
many
many
groups
which
visit
over
the
three
days.
The
festive
festival
is
on
the
same
happens
on
those
occasions
too.
Meals
cannot
ask
customers
that
they
only
only
one
purchase.
H
Only
one
person
can
purchase
any
goods
for
the
whole
group.
That's
shortly
down
to
the
customers
themselves
to
decide
how
can
neil
be
held
responsible
for
how
customers
behave
when
making
purchases
in
groups
four,
the
police
allege,
one
of
the
suspects
is
17
years
old,
an
alcohol
was
served
to
him,
and
this
does
not
promote
the
protection
of
children
from
harm.
The
police,
state
meals
do
not
check
the
age
of
customers
when
they
sell
alcohol.
We
submit.
This
is
both
them
true
and
completely
unfounded.
H
The
two
customers
kneel
third
on
the
day
and
time
under
review.
Meals
have
checked
the
id
above,
both
historically
as
far
as
neil
is
aware.
Both
are
over
the
age
of
18..
One
of
the
customers
had
shown
meals,
his
passport
historically
and
the
other
his
student
card,
which
both
confirmed
they
were
over
the
age
of
18..
H
The
police
have
assumed,
because
neil
did
not
request
to
check
id
or
proof
of
age
on
this
occasion
that
they
were
in
breach
of
the
neil
is
unsure.
If
the
licensing
rules
require
them
to
check
a
person's
age,
irrespective,
if
they've
seen
a
valid
proof
of
age
document
historically,
I
myself
could
not
find
any
material
on
the
same,
although
I
do
know
in
appendix
f.
Annex
1.3
gives
some
guidance.
However,
it's
ambiguous
in
respect
of
knowing
someone's
age
of
what
one
should
do
in
such
circumstances.
H
H
H
H
Statement
and
it
it
made
me
upset,
and
I
just
like
to
apologize.
You
know
whatever
happened
to
my
husband
and
I
do
greatly
apologize
that
that's
that's
all.
This
is
what
you
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you.
C
B
I'll
be
doc,
do
we
not
go
back
to
bc
clifford
to
him
to
address
the
points
that
have
just
been
made.
C
B
E
Could
perhaps
have
the
questions
now
from
from
each
side,
and
then
piece
again
may
want
to
sum
up,
having
answered
those
questions,
I
suppose.
C
Okay
and
councilor
marshall.
C
Okay,
all
right
so
I'll
I'll,
hang
back
to
pc
clifford
then,
for
if
you
want
to
sum
up
and
then
we'll
go
to
questions
after
after
you've
you're
five
minutes.
G
Thank
you,
the
submission
that
we've
just
listened
to.
G
G
G
So
bottles
and
bottles
of
vodka
brandy,
high
volume,
stuff
things
that
look
like
blue
wicked
things
like
that
and
a
cigarette
that
has
negated
any
of
that
and
the
simple
fact
the
talk
about
the
the
technical
ideas
were
found.
It's
not
unfounded.
There
was
no
id
checked
that
night.
G
That
day,
for
whatever
reason,
no
suspicions
were
raised
when
there
were
so
many
transactions,
even
when
transactions
were
being
declined,
were
allowed
to
use
a
different
payment
method.
These
are
all
red
flags.
G
The
fact
that
the
vitals
have
been
id
in
the
past
assures
that
they've
been
id
the
possibly
presented
fake
id
or
whatever
I
mean
these
lads
have
been
sold
alcohol.
So
do
we
make
any
wonder
why
would
they
commit
a
serious
defense
and
they
know
that
can
go
and
get
served
at
the
heels?
Just
there's,
there's
still
no
responsibility
taken
for
anything.
That's
that's
occurred
that
night
and
the
fact
is
children
were
served.
G
How
can
12
letters
that
are
written
the
exact
same,
not
written
by
that
person,
be
relevant
if
you're
going
to
hand
somebody
a
letter
that
you
you've
pre-written
and
they
just
signed
it?
That's
not
their
thoughts.
That's
somebody
else's
thoughts,
so
I
do
urge
you
to
discount
some
of
those
those
character,
references
but
again
the
character.
References
do
not
negate
what's
happened,
which
is
a
serious
breach.
G
The
licensing
objectives
we've
got
further
defenses
happening
in
relation
to
the
fraudulent
use
of
bank
cards
and
things
of
that
nature
and
just
to
talk
about
an
item
that
hasn't
been
signed
by
myself
in
the
document.
It's
it
doesn't
undo.
What's
happened
on
this
day
and
I
don't
believe
that
any
honest
person
can
sit
and
watch
that
and
think
that
was
okay,
that
was
fine.
G
C
B
G
That's
the
police
investigation.
One
of
the
suspects
has
been
identified
through
that
investigation
and
the
other
that
we
talked
about
has
not
been
identified
at
this
point.
G
Correct
yeah,
so
one
yeah,
one
of
those
males
was
identified.
One
of
them
was
not
identified.
B
So
I
understood
mr
singh
and
mr
chima
to
indicate
in
both
written
and
spoken
evidence
that
they
knew
every
customer
that
comes
in,
and
I
just
wondered.
You
know
what
the
you
know
what
the
explanation
was
for
that
I've
got
another
question.
H
Yeah,
so
the
customers
in
question
are
known.
They
come
to
the
shop
quite
often,
but
they've
been
banned
ever
since
we
heard
that
they
were
involved
in
such
an
incident,
these
actions,
so
they
haven't
been
allowed
in
the
shop
since
and
they
won't
be
allowed
ever
again
either
so
that
that's
the
type
of
action
we've
taken
in
respect
or
positively
identifying
them.
H
He
he
advised,
mrs
think
it
was
his
father's
car
and
his
mother's
car
and,
like
we
said
in
our
submissions,
there's
many
people
that
come
to
the
shop
using
their
car,
some
of
the
character
references
provided,
would
have
claimed
that
as
well,
and
there
is
an
old
people,
form
nursing
home
and
mostly
on
the
right
hand,
side.
There's
many
carers
that
bring
their
carers
even.
G
H
Of
the
suspects
in
this
case
goes
to
that
lady's
house
and
it
picks
her
card
up
and
buys
shopping
for
her.
H
B
Go
back
to
the
could
I
just
go
back
to
the
question
I
asked,
which
was
that
I
understood
that
mr
singh
knows
every
customer
who
comes
in,
but
the
police
have
been
able
to
unable
to
identify
one
of
those
two
suspects
which
would
suggest
that
mr
singh
doesn't
know
one
of
those
suspects.
H
He
he
does
know
the
two
people
in
question
and
in
fact,
over
that
whole
hour
video,
he
could
tell
you
the
names
of
each
individual.
If
that
assists,
if
you're
not
aware
of
what
their
names
are
like,
we
said,
the
police
have
never
ever
approached
us
to
assist
in
this
inquiry
other
than
taking
the
cctv
that
we
hand
it
willfully,
because
we
knew
it
was
involved
in
some
type
of
crime.
H
That's
assisting
the
police,
the
police
have
never
approached
it
since
then,
to
ask
for
further
assistance,
we're
inviting
to
come
now,
and
we
can
give
you
all
the
assistance
you
need
if
you
want
to
put
these
perfect
and
and
and
justice
to
prevail
and
and
they
are
imprisoned
or
whatever
action
is
there.
Wherever
are
they
willing
to
help?
It's
the
police
that
don't
want
to
sort
out?
B
C
B
B
Well,
it
seems
that
one
of
the
years
was
17
has
been
has
been.
It's
been
proved
that
he
was
17
one
of
the
customers
who
was
served,
although
mr
singer
and
mr
chima
seem
to
indicate
that
there's
been
evidence
produced
previously
that
both
of
these
were
over
18..
C
G
Yeah
yeah
one
of
the
males
is
17
and
it's
I
pointed
it
out
a
few
times.
There's
there
were
two
males
and
he
was
17
and
he
was
served
alcohol
by
both
mr
singh
and
the
previous
shopkeeper.
B
Okay,
thank
you
just
moving
on
that's
okay,
andy
yeah,.
C
Sure
yeah,
then
we'll
go
into
martial
and
transformation.
B
Okay,
it
looks
like
there's,
there's
been
somewhere
in
the
region
of
28
to
31,
depending
on
which
paperwork
we've
looked
at
transactions
that
took
place
in
around
about
an
hour.
Is
that
usual
from
the
same
sort
of
two
people,
as
it
were
in
the
shop
and
the
takings
of
best
part
of
700
pound?
B
Is
that
an
unusual
sort
of
event
during
the
course
of
an
hour's
transactions.
H
That's
fine,
there's
nothing
unusual
in
respect
to
the
number
of
transactions
from
one
payment
method,
and
we
gave
examples.
Various
groups
do
come
and
they
buy
alcohol
and
they
buy
cigarettes
and
other
items
on
behalf
of
the
group.
They
do
it
in
multiple
transactions,
for
whatever
reason
they
do.
It
is
a
bug
bearer
of
mules
and
has
been
for
the
number
of
years
they've
operated
there
in
respect
to
the
value.
Yes,
it's
not
uncommon
for
meals
to
take
that
sort
of
taking
in
an
hour's
window
weekend's
busy
friday
night.
H
There
are
peaks
and
troughs
to
turn
over
in
the
shop,
and
particularly
hot
days,
large
numbers
of
transactions,
large
volumes
of
transactions
for
people,
local
in
the
area
that
the
area
likes
to
party
and
likes
to
go
to
the
park
and
have
barbecues,
and
things
such
as
that,
and
so
yes,
it's
not
unheard
of
to
have
that
number
of
transactions
from
a
single
payment
method
or
two
payment
methods,
for
instance
from
one
one
group
of
people:
okay,
yeah.
C
D
All
right,
thank
you
very
much
and
first
of
all
to
joanne,
so
sorry
to
hear
about
the
ordeal
you
went
through,
and
I
really
hope
yourself
and
your
husband
will
find
some
strength
to
go
through
what
you
have
been
through
to
mr
singh.
D
Now
you
say
you
know
absolute
very
similar
question
to
counselor
flynn.
Well,
just
being
a
bit
more
specific
because
you
do
know
almost
everyone
who
comes
through
to
your
shop,
this
young
people
who
came
and
obviously
were
buying
your
alcohol
as
young
as
they
looked
did
you
think
that
they
were
all
over
18.
H
Yes,
I'll
give
you
an
example:
the
other
day,
if
somebody
came
in.
D
Sorry
can
we
can
we
stick?
Can
we
just
stick
to
the
four
that
we're
we're
referring
to
on
the
31st
of
january,
so
those
young?
What
we
have
seen
on
the
video?
That's
the
specific,
because
if
you're
referring
to
other
people,
I
wasn't
there
so
I'd
like
us
to
be
on
the
same
frequency
that
we're
referring
to
people
that
we.
G
D
H
D
Okay,
I'll
also
ask
you
another
question
on
a
regular
day.
What
would
you
say
is
your
average
sale
on
alcohol
only.
H
D
H
Yeah,
I
mean
I'll
call
still
don't
pick
up
until
about
four
or
five
o'clock
in
the
evening
through
to
about
nine
half
nine,
it's
only
in
a
four
or
five
hour
window
with
the
sale
of
alcohol
and
during
the
day,
no
one
really
buying
anything
other
than
your
bread,
milk,
eggs
bucket
of
crisps
and
a
sandwich
and
the
sale
of
alcohol
picks
up
generally
late
afternoon
early
evening.
So
close.
H
D
Okay,
also
in
terms
of
the
number
of
transactions
you
have
on
each
payment
card,
you
did
say
you
have
lots
of
multiple,
it's
normal,
to
have
lots
of
multiple
transactions
in
the
shop,
so
normally
on
one
particular
card.
What
would
you
say
is
the
average
multiple
payments
and
how
frequent
is
it.
H
H
Partying
yeah:
this
is
the
frustration
somebody's
you
know,
one
transaction,
they
might
spend
15
20
pounds
another
one.
They
might
spend
25
30.,
you
know,
and
then
they
come
back
in
and
they
buy
some
up
for
two
pound.
Fifty,
the
average
of
a
mole
would
be
very
hard
to
work
out
without
going
through
the
card
transactions,
but
probably
on
contactless,
because
the
value
it
is
it
would
be
probably
about
20
25
on
average.
H
Mr
singh
discussed
this
in
great
detail
with
me,
reflecting
back
into
this
and
going
through
the
footage
he
does
recollect
that
he
he
didn't
see
a
name
at
all.
The
gentleman
said
it
was
his
father's
card
and
then
showed
a
picture
of
his
father
to
mr
singh,
because
mr
singh
isn't
aware
of
who
this
particular
christmas.
Father
is,
and
I
think
he's
had
a
few
fathers
so
to
speak
in
his
life.
H
H
It
was
of
a
similar
complex
of
of
of
the
customer,
so
he
had
no
reason
to
doubt
and
knowing
the
customer
for
a
number
of
years,
he
had,
I
mean
I
say,
he's
a
customer,
he's
no
longer
a
customer
and
will
never
be
a
customer,
because
whether
he
has
done
this
or
not
it's
disgusting,
because
you're
using
something
you
surely
must
have
known,
was
a
card
or
a
payment
method
that
was
stolen.
H
I
don't
and
mr
thing
doesn't
believe
for
one
second.
He
wasn't
aware
of
that,
and
therefore
you
know
trying
to
use
our
mr
think.
Shop
facility
for
that
purposes
is
deeply
deeply
disgusting,
and
even
if
it
was
him
that
carried
out
the
actions
mischief
so
bad
and
profound
of
what
their
ideal
may
have
been
and
what
they
went
through
and
what
they
are
continued
to
go
through.
They
never
allow
back
in
the
shop
at
all,
and
that's
anybody
that's
associated
to
him,
not
just
him
himself.
It's
any
association
to
him
in
his
classes.
B
My
device
is
about
to
go
flat.
Could
you
just
give
me
a
couple
of
seconds
to
to
ensure
it's
charging
up.
C
D
C
D
D
A
D
H
Mr
singers
had
words
with
the
shop
assistant
and
said
you
need
to
be
more
prudent,
mr
singh,
when
he
checked
the
card
it
was
on
the
phone
and
there
was
no
name
shown.
It
was
just
simply
digits.
Mr
singh
went
forward
and
asked
further
questions
whose
card
is
it
that
you
make
the
payment
stream
and
that's
when
he
said
it
was
his
father's.
H
C
Thank
you,
yeah.
I've
got
a
few
questions
I'll
start
with
pc,
clifford
and
then
I'll
move
on
to
mr
chimera,
mr
singh,
the
really
quite
simple
questions
that
probably
just
deserve
a
quite
simple
answer:
if
that's
okay,
the
cards
that
were
stolen,
were
they
used
anywhere
else
pc
clifford,
or
is
it
just
purely
in
this
shop
that
they
were
used.
G
No,
the
the
cards
were
used
like
one
transaction
in
another
shop
elsewhere,.
C
Okay
and
have
mr
chimo
miss,
I
have
neil's,
I
guess
is
what
we're
calling
it
we've
been
asked
to
call.
It
have
neil's
cooperated
with
the
west
yorkshire
police
in
regards
to
their
investigation.
G
In
relation
to
that,
I
wouldn't
need
to
speak
to
the
investigating
office,
because
there's
a
detective
investigating
that
who
brought
this
to
our
attention.
The
only
thing
he
said
that
it
was
difficult
to
get
the
cctv
due
to
logistics,
of
how
it's
set
up.
But
I
would
have
to
ask
that
question
of
the
investigating
officer
and
I've
checked.
It's
not
not.
C
Working
okay
and
then
the
cctv
that
you
mentioned
or
that
we
reviewed
earlier,
was
that
requested
and
was
it
freely
given
by
the
owners,
or
was
it
almost
sort
of
demanded
that
the
cctv
would
be
handed
again.
G
I'd
have
to
ask
get
the
specific
question
speaking
to
the
officer
a
long
time
ago
about
it.
It
didn't
sound,
straightforward
and
easy,
but
I
I
couldn't
say
for
certain
whether
that
was
more
to
do
with
the
logistics
of
the
setup
or
whether
it
was
more
of
a
innovative
attitude.
But
I
would
have
to
confirm
that
okay.
C
But
I'll
put
the
same
question
then
put
the
same
question
then
to
mr
chima
mr
singh:
was
the
cctv
offered
freely
when
it
was
requested,
or
was
there
a
delay
in
getting
the
cctv.
H
We've
always
given
cctv
freely
to
the
police,
and
on
this
occasion
we
did
give
it
freely
and
just
to
add
a
bit
more
point.
While
there
was
a
delay,
the
type
of
dvr
system
that
we
had
in
operation
at
that
time,
the
officer
wasn't
aware
of
how
to
use
or
download
data.
So
he
had
to
get
his
I.t
specialist
guy
from
the
west
russia
police
to
come
in
a
couple
of
days
later,
and
then
he
extracted
what
he
needed
off
the
system.
We've
never
obstructed
any
police
inquiry
with
cctv
being
given.
C
H
C
Okay,
okay
and
then
so
you
mentioned
earlier,
mr
chima,
mr
singh,
you
mentioned
earlier
that
it's
regular
that
you'll
have
people
coming
in
to
buy
alcohol
and
cigarettes
and
for
people
that
are
outside
of
the
shop
is
you?
Are
you
checking
then,
to
see
that
the
age
of
the
people
that
they're
buying
the
alcohol
for
outside?
Are
you
contesting
that
when
they
come
in
to
purchase
it?
Are
you
asking
the
reasoning
behind
they're
coming
in
and
out
and
there's
a
group
of
people
outside?
What
would
the
process
involve
there.
H
C
H
No,
that's,
that's
not
it.
So.
Let's
say
yourself
comes
in
with
four
of
the
friends
that
might
be
sat
in
a
vehicle
outside
you'll
come
in
and
make
a
purchase
and
say:
oh
so-and-so's,
with
me:
what
does
he
drink?
That's
as
far
as
we
know
that
they're
in
a
group
of
people
who
else
is
inducted,
I
don't
we
don't
really
know.
C
Okay,
okay,
I
noticed
on
the
cctv.
C
H
It's
quite
common:
it's
due
to
sometimes
internet
signal
connection.
The
merchant
for
some
reason
has,
I
don't
think,
you've
got.
C
I
don't
think
you've
understood
the
question.
The
question
is
on
this
easy
tv.
We
witnessed
multiple
transactions
going
through
the
card
machine,
but
the
same
transaction
wasn't
going
through
the
actual
till.
So
the
journal
roll
on
your
till,
oh
that
yeah
would
be
different
to
what
your
actual
contactless
payments
are.
H
That's
fine!
So
if,
if
you
reflect
back
onto
the
cctv,
the
role
that
comes
out
of
what
they
call
the
pdq
machine,
which
is
a
card
machine,
goes
in
a
separate
box
to
the
right
hand,
side
and
they
keep
all
the
transaction
receipts
in
the
box
to
the
side.
The
till
itself
doesn't
print
it's
a
very
old
till
and
therefore
the
roll
inside
the
till
the
till
is
basically
only
used
as
a
calculator.
H
C
H
C
C
You
know
on
some
of
the
transactions
it
was
sort
of
seen
on
the
cctv
that
the
card
payment
was
taken
first
and
then,
once
that
had
been
approved
that
then
the
bottle
behind
would
then
be
reached
and
and
taken
off
the
shelf
and
then
handed
to
the
customer.
Is
that
a
common
practice
that
you
do?
Because
I
noticed
it
didn't
happen
on
every
transaction
just
on
a
few
of
the
transactions
almost
as
if
waiting
for
an
authorization
or
an
approval
from
the
card
machine
before
the
given?
Is
that
standard.
H
It
is
something
that
slips
the
shop
assistance
on
mr
thing's
mind
sometimes,
but
their
process
is
always
true.
If
there's
more
than
one
person
in
the
shop,
because
historically,
someone
has
stolen
somebody
else's
goods,
that's
been
put
on
there
and
the
customers
refused
to
pay,
quite
rightly
so,
because
they
haven't
physically
purchased
the
item
and
they
run
off,
and
we
have.
H
C
F
C
Rather
than
in
the
area,
so
let's
be
specific
and
say
your
shop:
do
you
have
a
high
volume
of
shoplifting
and
people
running
off
with
goods.
H
H
C
C
Okay
and
now,
when
this
has
been
happening,
so
can
I
just
get
into
my
own
head
that
so
for
use
entering
into
the
shop
looking
quite
significantly
shifty,
I
guess,
is
the
looking
for
into
the
shop
using
a
card
machine
over
and
over
and
over
again
buying
lots
of
large
volumes
of
alcohol
in
and
out
in
and
out
over
an
hour's
period.
C
H
In
the
area,
it's
quite
common
people
wear
their
hoodies
when
they
come
into
the
shop.
Multiple
transactions
are
what
happen
you
know
quite
commonly
historically
like
we
said
this
is
the
first
instance
that
we're
aware
of,
in
fact,
there's
one
other
instance
where
a
card
was
found
to
be
stolen
or
it
was
illegally
used
in
the
27
years
that
meals
has
operated
there.
C
Nearly
okay
and
then
I've
just
got
one
last
question,
I
guess
and
from
myself
what
have
you
since
realizing
what
has
happened?
What
have
you
put
in
place
to
prevent
anything
happening
like
this
again.
H
Okay,
so
there
has
been
more
posters
put
up
that
we
will
check
every
single
id,
irrespective
of
whether
we've
seen
it
historically
or
not.
Until
we
saw
clarification
that
if
we
know
someone's
age
or
neil's
know
someone's
age
are
they
required
still
to
check
their
id,
and
so
that
was
the
last
submission
that
we
made
and
we've
we
reshaped
the
shop
and
added
additional
cameras.
H
We've
barred
the
group
itself
of
people
that
we
believe
may
be
associated
to
this
particular
crown
that
happened
on
the
31st
and
we've
added
additional
cameras
outside,
and
if
we
find
anybody
milling
or
anywhere,
we
make
them
abundantly
aware
that
there's
cameras
watching
you
constantly,
you
need
to
move
on,
it's
not
a
place
to
loiter
and
we've
gone
so
far
as
even
having
the
west
indian
takeaway
next
door
owner
and
to
employ
the
same
that
we
say
that
we
don't
allow
anybody
in
this
parade
wherever
they
are,
they
simply
need
to
buy
what
they
need
to
buy
and
go.
H
We
made
the
the
west
indian
takeaway
owner
as
well
aware
of
the
incident
that
took
place
and
we've
also
made
him
aware
of
who
the
potential
suspects
are
and
that
he
should
tread
with
caution
if
he
wishes
to
serve
them.
C
H
Absolutely
we
we've
been
in
touch
with
police
on
many
occasions.
They
still
haven't
responded
to
the
letter
that
we
sent,
which
is
appendix
e,
I
believe
and
and
that
sets
out
everything
in
there.
We
invited
them
on
many
occasions.
Within
that
letter
that
come
and
work
with
us.
We
we've
said
in
that
letter
we're
not
making
a
complaint
to
the
police,
we're
more
than
happy
to
support
the
police.
H
We've
made
that
take
reference
to
appendix
e.
It's
quite
clear
what
we're
saying
today.
We
still
don't
have
a
response.
We
think
that
that's
quite
profound
and
and
that
the
panel
should
be
aware
of
that.
It's
okay,
the
police,
come
in
today
and
saying
that
we've
done
wrong
and
things
such
as
that,
let's
bring
those
to
justice
that
need
to
be
brought
to
justice
that
carried
out
these
horrific
crimes
on
this
sheriff.
H
Let
the
bank
then
make
it
it's.
It's
collect
its
money
back
from
these
individuals
should
they
have
such
to
target
somebody
that
is
completely
innocent
in
this
week
I
mean
you
know
we're
not
playing
judging
jury
and
that's,
for
you
know
the
police
to
understand
their
actions
of
what
else
they
could
have
done
to
assist
the
sheriff
to
bring
the
suspects
to
justice,
but
we
have
abundant
information
for
them
to
bring
them
to
justice.
C
Okay,
that's
good
to
know
counselor,
I'm
I'm
done
with
questions
and
comment.
Counseling
flynn
do
you
have
any
more
to
come
back
with.
B
Yes,
if
it's
an
appropriate
question,
perhaps
rob
could
could
guide
me
on
it.
We
have
a
number
of
options.
Basically,
once
we've
heard
all
the
all
the
presentations
today,
we've
got
a
six
all
together
from
a
warning
about
future
behavior,
basically
to
revocation
of
the
license,
but
pc
clifford
has
made
it
clear
that
he
wants,
revocation
during
the
course
of
the
various
presentations
we've
heard
that
there
have
been
two
incidents
of
fraud
carried
out
at
the
shop.
B
If
I,
if
I
count
this
particular
evening
as
one
incident
rather
than
29
or
30
with
a
previous
one
of
using
a
card
that
wasn't
the
property
of
the
person
who
made
the
purchase,
I
just
wondered
why
the
police
had
gone
for,
revocation
rather
than
one
of
the
the
less
serious.
G
So
the
question
is
why
we've
gone
straight
for
revocation
rather
than
something
different.
The
reason
I
laid
out
in
my
covering
statement
provided
is
basically
that
we
felt
like
the
issue's,
too
deep,
rooted
to
be
able
to
work
with
it,
because,
of
course,
I
could
have
gone
and
said
you
know.
G
G
I
think
that's
an
obvious
thing
for
them
to
to
pick
up
on
and
after
viewing
the
cctv
and
a
number
of
officers
viewing
it,
because
the
conclusion
that
there's
something
really
wrong
here
that
that
working
with
it
was
not
going
to
solve,
because
we
feel
like
it's,
we
felt
like
there's
that
kind
of
understanding
they
knew
exactly
where
to
go
and
and
and
it's
not
it's
not
just
about
the
you
know
the
transactions
is
alcohol
being
sold
there.
You
know
how.
How
can
anybody
justify
selling
to
those
young
boys?
G
They
look
so
young
and
and
to
say
about
id
previously,
but
the
fact
remains.
He
was
a
child,
so
I
just
there
were
so
many
red
flags
that
I
didn't
feel
like
it
was
appropriate
to
attempt
to
work
with
them
just
to
be
paid.
Maybe
lip
service
or
whatever,
even
now,
with
the
facts
presented,
there's
no
real
responsibility
taken
by
the
shop
even
now.
So
I
think
in
hindsight
would
I
have
had
any
kind
of
luck
with
them
previously
and
nothing
else
probably
know
based
on
what's
being
said
today,.
C
D
H
H
H
H
We
know
the
individuals
that
we
served
at
the
ages,
the
others
we
don't
know
the
ages,
but
they
associate
with
them.
D
H
Now
what
mr
singh
is
saying
the
five
individuals
that
have
been
banned?
He
knows
the
ages
of
the
five
individuals
right
that
were
banned,
so
the
two
that
are
suspected
in
the
cctv
and
their
close-knit
friends
and
and
in
all
fantastic
classic
friends
are
over
the
age
of
18
as
well
that
we've
banned
so
and.
H
D
H
H
H
From
what
the
police
are
saying
now
that
they
identify
with
a
17
year
old,
whether
the
police
have
been
given
false
id
by
him
or
whether
we
have
been
provided
is
yet
to
be
seen.
We
don't
know
what
the
police
have
provided
his
id,
but
we
can
say
that
what
we
was
provided
with
id
was
a
student
card,
but
if
we
think
it's
the
one
that
they're
talking
about,
but
if
they
come
and
talk
to
us,
we
can
talk.
D
C
Okay,
so
members
of
the
subcommittee
any
further
questions
from
anybody,
please
indicate
no
okay.
The
subcommittee
will
now
move
into
a
private
session
to
deliberate
on
the
application.
Could
I
ask
that
all
parties,
including
the
applicant
and
their
representatives
and
the
licensing
officer,
remain
available?
Should
the
subcommittee
have
any
additional
questions
if
there
are
any
additional
questions,
we'll
be
invited
back
into
the
meeting
by
the
clerk.
C
C
C
C
C
So
thank
you
very
much
for
attending
today
in
this
new
new
way
that
we're
having
to
conduct
the
licensing
subcommittees
thanks
everybody
for
the
patience
when
we've
gone
to
the
breakout
rooms,
to
watch
the
cctv
and
also
the
patients
where
we've
been
taken
to
deliberate
now,
we
have
come
to
a
decision
and
that
decision
will
be
informed
to
the
applicant
and
the
license
holder
in
written
form
in
within
the
next
five
days.
C
So
that
concludes
the
business
for
today.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
Five,
so
five
working
days,
yeah.
Sorry,
okay,
thanks
everybody.
H
So
sorry,
it's,
mr
tim.
I
just
have
a
very
quick
question.
Who
do
we
see
clarity,
and
I
presume
it's
probably
matthew
in
respect
of.
If
we
the
question
we
asked,
if
we
know
someone's
age,
is
there
a
requirement
to
still
ask
for
id.