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A
A
Over
to
me,
then,
good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
meeting
to
remote
meeting
of
the
city
plans
panel.
My
name
is
councillor
jim
mccann
and
I
will
be
chairing
today's
meeting.
The
city
plans
panel
deal
with
applications
from
the
city
center,
as
well
as
the
largest
and
most
significant
applications
the
council
receive.
A
A
A
A
In
order
to
avoid
any
disruptions
to
the
meeting,
should
I
lose
internet
connectivity?
Can
I
propose
we
appoint
a
voice
chair
who
could
step
in
during
my
absence.
I
therefore
move
counselor,
caroline
groom
and
invite
another
member
to
second
that
motion
happy
to
second
chair.
Thank
you,
dan
I'll,
allow
a
few
seconds.
A
I'll
take
a
vote
by
assuming
your
silence
is
approval
there.
Any
objections.
A
B
Good
afternoon,
council,
david
blackburn,
family
and
workload.
A
A
F
Everybody
councillor:
caroline
gruen,
bramley
and
stanley
ward.
A
Thank
you
peter
councillor,
asgard
khan,.
A
A
H
A
Thank
you,
david
singh.
C
Paul
mcgraw
good
afternoon,
paul
mcgrath
school
place,
planning
officer
working
in
this
efficiency
and
participation,
team.
A
Thank
you
paul
tony
clegg.
J
Chair
I'll,
be
the
lead
legal
officer
for
this
meeting
nicky
deal
from
council's
in-house
legal
team
and
in
the
event
that
I
lose
connection,
I
have
miss
pontrivale.
As
my
support.
A
K
Andrew
isn't
here
chair,
okay,
we're
relying
on
my
my
I.t.
A
Okay,
let's
hope
it
keeps
operating
pam,
pam,
warburton,
good.
A
Thank
you
moving
down
to
the
agenda
over
to
you.
John
item
number,
one.
I
A
You
it
just
occurred
to
me
on
item
two
john.
I
know
it
might
be
a
silly
question,
but
if
exclusion
of
public,
how
press
and
public,
how
would
we
do
that
remotely
has
any
thought
be
given
to
us?
Should
it
be
relevant
today?
Sorry.
I
The
preston
public
we
can
put
participants
in
in
a
waiting
area,
we
can
switch
the
webcast
off
and
then
we
can
have
our
members
and
officers
can
have
a
private
discussion
and
then
we
can
rejoin
the
meeting
and
everybody
else
can.
A
Well
done
john
you've
practiced
you've
planned
everything.
Well
done:
brilliant,
okay,
the
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting.
A
So,
if
we
could,
can
we
go
on
to
the
main
item
agenda
item
six
construction
of
152
house
dwellings
at
hortsford
campus
calvary,
lame
hosford.
Could
I
invite
tony
clegg
the
planning
officer
to
come
in
at
this
stage?
Tony.
E
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
I
think
we'll
be
moving
to
the
the
slides
which
hopefully
you'll
be
able
to
see
shortly
if
we
could
just
go
to
slide
two,
please
thank
you.
E
E
The
college
campus
site
is
towards
the
center
of
the
redlined
area
to
the
south,
below
that
you
can
see
an
open
area
which
is
also
part
of
the
the
wider
campus
site
and
to
the
north
of
the
the
college
buildings,
a
grassed
area,
which
was
a
used
as
a
sports
pitch
by
the
the
college
and
to
the
west
of
the
red
edge
site.
E
You
can
see
the
outer
ring
road
and
further
to
the
north
is
the
a65
and
you
can
just
about
see
carvely
lane,
which
leads
from
the
air
65
near
the
fink
hill,
horsefirst
roundabout
down
into
the
site
just
near
to
the
bottom
right
of
the
this
image.
You
can
see
that
there
is
polls
with
new
leads
new
layers
first
school.
E
This
is
just
a
slightly
closer
aerial
view
and
you
can
see
the
former
campus
buildings
and
areas
of
car
parking.
E
And
if
we
could
now
go
on
to
slide
five,
so
this
is
the
view
from
the
air
65
at
the
junction
of
calvary
lane,
which
will
which
leads
to
the
site
where
the
silver
car
is
turning
in
and
on
to
slide.
Six.
E
This
is
from
calvary
lane
and
looking
at
the
entrance
from
calvary
lane
into
the
application
site
the
entrance
to
horse
for
cemetery
on
the
left
and
the
next
slide.
Please.
E
This
is
one
of
the
main
campus
buildings
and
we
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide
again
campus
buildings,
including
the
distinctive
tower,
which
can
be
seen
from
quite
a
wide
area,
and
I
should
say
that
this
these
photos
were
taken
some
years
ago
before
the
campus
actually
closed.
I
think
in
2017
the,
but
at
this
time
when
the
pictures
were
taken,
the
campus
was
still
in
use
as
a
a
teaching
facility.
E
So
if
we
could
go
to
slide
number
nine,
please.
E
This
is
the
proposed
site
plan.
It's
oriented
just
for
international.
It's
oriented
differently
to
the
images
you've
just
been
seeing
in
that
the
north
of
the
north
is
to
the
right.
So
if
you
like,
the
top
of
the
image
is
roughly
west,
so
I'll
just
say
a
few
words
about
the
site
layout.
E
But
it
there
is
a
separate
access
to
the
site
for
pedestrians
and
cycles
only,
and
that
then
runs
all
along
the
western
boundary
of
the
site,
adjacent
to
running
parallel,
more
or
less
to
the
outer
ring
road
to
connect
up
with
the
remainder
of
the
site
and
with
the
open
grassed
area
which
lies
to
the
south
of
the
site
or
to
the
left
of
the
image
that
you're
looking
at.
E
To
the
to
the
bottom
of
the
image
which
you
probably
possibly
can't
see,
but
it's
it's
another
shorter
cycle
route
that
leads
along
the
eastern
boundary
of
the
sites.
E
Now
the
scheme
has
been
designed
to
have
different
character
areas
as
you
move
through
the
site.
You
can
see
that
to
the
north
or
the
right
of
the
image
are
there's
a
block
of
flats
at
the
entrance
to
the
site
and
there's
some
terraced
houses,
and
then
it
moves
down
through
semi-detached
house
types
and
then
detached
houses
near
to
the
open
space
at
the
southern
end
of
the
site.
E
So
you,
the
idea,
was
that
we're
moving
through
different
character
areas
here,
so
the
south
is
an
area
of
which
is
to
be
retained
as
open
space,
and
that
is
an
area
which
we
consider
to
be
of
biodiversity
value,
but
it
can
also
provide
green
space
to
serve
the
residents
and
indeed
you
know
the
wider
local
population
of
horseforth.
E
If
I
think
jenny
didn't
manage
to
connect
with
us
at
the
in
the
chairs
introductions,
but
if,
if
members
have
any
particular
questions
about
the
design
and
and
layout
of
the
site,
jenny
has
been
involved
with
us
and
jenny
is
a
design
officer
and
jenny
has
worked
with
us
on
the
and
the
applicants
on
the
design
and
layout
of
this
scheme,
and
it
might
be
helpful
to
have
jenny's
input
on
on
design
issues.
At
some
point
in
this
afternoon's
discussion.
A
E
Thank
you,
so
we
could
go
to
slide
number
10,
please.
E
So
the
first
thing
I'll
say
is
that
this
this
is
a
cgi
of
the
flats,
but
it's
slightly
outdated.
Now
in
that
they,
this
image
infers
that
there's
more
than
one
block
of
flats
and
there
isn't
in
an
earlier
version
of
the
scheme,
there
were
two:
it's
now
reduced
to
one
single
block
of
24
flats.
E
So
that's
so
the
image
illustrates
the
architectural
treatment
of
the
building,
but
it
just
slightly
outdated
in
in
that
regard,
and
if
we
move
on
to
the
next
slide,
this
is
a
two
bed
terraced
house,
not
a
very
good
image.
This
is
I've
got
a
better
graphic
of
the
of
this
now,
which
unfortunately,
isn't
on
today's
presentation,
which
in
which
you
can
see
that
there's
actually
brick
detailing
above
the
doors
and
windows
and
that
doesn't
come
across
unfortunately
on
this
image.
E
So
if
you
move
to
slide
number
12
please
so
this
is
a
three
bed
house
type,
and
here
we've
got
three
story:
house
type
with
with
dormers
serving
the
the
third
level
of
accommodation.
E
E
If
you
like,
with
a
larger
house
type-
and
here
this
is
a
forehead
house
and
with
with
a
more
of
an
active
frontage
and
a
large
window
looking
out
onto
the
street,
if
we
could
move
to
slide
number
14
please.
E
And
num
slide
number
15,
the
detached
house
type
similar
design
concept.
This
one
is
detached
and
then
the
next
slide
is
a
few.
E
So
here
we
have.
This
would
be
a
view
looking
from
the
main
spine
road
near
the
entrance
from
calvary
lane,
with
the
block
flats
block
on
the
right
and
then
the
terraced
houses
and
beyond.
E
There
is
so
I'll
just
move
on
to
talk
about
the
the
issues.
There
is
quite
a
lot
of
detail
in
the
report
and
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
matter
of
the
principle
of
development
in
the
green
belt.
E
Now,
as
it's
set
out
in
the
report,
this
the
whole
of
this
site
has
reverted
to
the
green
belt
following
the
decision
of
the
high
court,
which
follows
a
challenge
to
the
site
allocations
plan
such
that
the
sites
that
were
allocated
of
housing
in
that
plan
are
now
back
in
the
green
belt,
at
least
pending
any
further
review
of
a
new
adopted
and
a
new
adopted
plan.
E
So
the
case
for
approval
of
the
scheme,
despite
its
being
within
the
greenbelt,
is
set
out
in
detail
in
the
report.
So
I
only
propose
to
just
give
a
brief
summary
of
the
main
issues.
E
Now
the
nppf
states
that
inappropriate
development
within
the
greenbelt
should
not
be
approved,
except
in
very
special
circumstances
now,
but
at
paragraph
145,
the
mppf
sets
out
various
exceptions
to
that
where
the
constructive
new
balance
in
the
green
would
not
be
in
appropriate
developments
and
the
particular
bits
of
paragraph
145
that
that
we're
we'll
be
referencing
in
in
this
presentation
I'll
be
referencing
is
paragraph
145
g
now
bullet
point
two
of
that
sets
out
this
following
exemption.
E
This
is
an
exception
rather
to
the
general
presumption
against
inappropriate
development
in
the
green
bond.
What
it
says
is
that
where
the
it
says,
the
weather,
limited
infilling
or
the
partial
or
complete
redevelopment
of
previously
developed
land,
whether
redundant
or
in
continuing
use,
excluding
temporary
buildings
is
not
inappropriate
where
it
would
not
cause
substantial
harm
to
the
openness
of
the
green
belt,
where
the
development
would
reuse
previously
developed
land
and
contribute
to
meeting
an
affordable
housing
need
within
the
area
of
the
local
planning
authority.
E
Now,
I'm
just
going
to
take
these
these
points
fairly
briefly,
in
turn,
so
we
need
to
look
at
previously
developed
land
and
when
we're
not
talking
about
previous
development,
I'm
not
referring
to
the
grassland
to
the
south
of
the
site,
which
we
do
not
consider
to
be
previously
developed
or
lying
within
the
curtidage
of
the
previous
adult
land,
affordable
housing
need
and
substantial
harm
to
the
openness
of
the
green
belt,
and
this
is
a
different
test.
E
E
So
if
we
start
with
previously
developed
land
and
curtilage,
I
did
that
with
paragraph
10.4
on
page
15
of
the
agenda
report
and
the
position
set
out
in
the
report
is
that
officers
consider
the
application
site
again,
as
I
said,
except
for
the
grassland
to
the
south
of
the
site,
meets
this
previous
test,
despite
the
fact
that
some
of
the
curtilage
having
previously
been
a
sports
pitch
used
by
the
college-
and
this
is
because
much
of
that
site
is
covered
with
buildings
and
car
parking,
it's
enclosed
in
the
same
ownership,
and
it
was
functionally
part
of
the
campus
site.
E
So
it
was
all
used
as
one
so
looking
at
identified,
affordable
housing
need.
This
is
set
out
at
paragraph
10.6
of
the
report
on
page
16,
and
it's
reported
there
that
that's
quite
clearly
been
significant
under
provision
of
affordable
housing,
but
throughout
the
district
and
in
particular
in
this
part
of
the
city
and
this
proposal.
This
proposed
development
would
clearly
help
to
address
that
short
form
and
we
would
say
therefore
meets
an
identified.
Affordable
housing
need
we
move
on
to.
E
Does
it
cause
substantial
harm
to
the
illness
of
the
green,
but
if
we
could
go
to
slide
17
now,
please.
E
So
as
a
starting
point,
this
is
the
indicative
layout
plan
and
this
accompanied
the
outline
planning
commission
for
housing
development
of
the
site,
which
has
previously
been
granted
for
up
to
70
houses
on
the
site.
Now
this
permission
remains
valid,
so
this
can
be
subject
to
the
submission
and
approval
of
a
reserve
matters.
Application.
E
This
part
of
the
site
has
an
outline
permission,
so
that
is
our
starting
point.
The
the
the
part
of
the
society
is
already
committed
to
housing
development.
E
E
Now,
because
of
the
self-contained
and
enclosed
nature
of
the
sites,
the
adjoining
roads
and
the
built
up
part
of
horse
adjacent,
the
view
of
officers
is
that
this
test
is
met,
that
there
is
not
substantial
harm
to
openness,
and
it
was
this
analysis
that
led
to
the
site
being
brought
forward
for
housing
through
the
site
allocation
plan
process
in
the
first
place,
albeit
that
that
that
plan
has
has
itself
now
been
been
quashed
by
the
high
court.
E
Now
should
the
panel
have
any
specific
issues
relating
to
greenbelt
site
allocations
plan
if
you
like
the
wider
strategic
and
forward
planning
issues,
we
do
have
martin
elliot
our
head
of
strategic
planning
in
attendance
at
the
meeting
and
I'm
sure
that
martin
may
be
able
to
assist
the
meeting
with
issues
of
that
nature.
A
E
Thank
you,
sir,
so
just
moving
on
through,
so
that
that
that
that
that
is
the
green
belt
argument,
which
is
obviously
very
briefly
summarized
it
set
out
in
in
in
in
a
in
more
detail
in
the
report
and
martin
may
be
able
to
assist
the
meeting.
I'm
sure
it
will
be
able
to
assist
the
meeting
if
members
have
more
detailed
questions
on
on
that
sort
of
issue.
E
So
if
we
I'll
just
have
a
run
through
some
of
the
other
issues,
can
climate
change
key
to
the
consideration
of
any
application
of
this
nature?
We
would
consider
this
a
stable
location.
It's
on
the
edge
of
the
urban
area
of
horseforth.
E
It's
got
good
access
to
both
services
on
both
the
ring
road
and
the
a65.
The
scheme
has
been
encouraged
to
has
been
designed
to
encourage
walking
and
cycling.
I've
mentioned
the
cyclone
pedestrian
only
routes
through
the
site
before
it
meets
the
council's
requirements
for
non-carbon
energy
through
the
use
of
roof
mounted
solar
panels
and
the
requirement
for
electric
vehicle
charging
and
again
there's
more
detail
on
these
points.
In
the
report,
the
site
in
terms
of
trees,
the
site
has
a
healthy
quarter
of
existing
trees.
E
The
survey
indicates
169
individual
trees
and
groups
of
trees.
The
majority
of
these
are
retained
and
there
will
be
replacement
planting
on
the
base
of
at
least
a
three
to
one
basis.
The
applicant
has
made
a
further
commitment
to
plant
five
trees
for
every
house,
built
so
by
my
arithmetic
that
makes
760
trees.
E
There
will
be
plenty
of
new
tree
planting,
it
doesn't
buy
a
diversity,
biodiversity
issues
that
are
dealt
with
at
paragraph
10.10
of
the
report
on
page
19.
to
the
matters
that's
set
out
in
the
report.
I
can
also
say
that
we,
the
applicant,
did
produce
a
biodiversity
net
gain
assessment
of
the
proposed
development
using
the
defra
2
metric,
and
this
shows
we
believe,
a
diet
that
the
site
can
deliver
net
biodiversity
net
gain
through
new
planting
and
through
management
of
retained
natural
areas.
E
Now
richard
didn't
make
our
introduction
your
introduction,
rather
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
chair,
but
richard
marsh,
who
is
our
ecologist,
is
attending
the
meeting.
I
know
he's
here
and
richard
I'm
sure
would
be
able
to
help
us
with
any
specific
questions
about
biodiversity
that
might
have
on
this.
E
The
agenda
report
also
addresses
matters
of
landscaping
and
provisions
of
on-site
green
space,
which,
which
is
well
above
our
normal
policy
requirement
for
on-site
provision
of
green
space
on
highway
matters.
Obviously,
julian
is
here
and
will
be
able
to
help
us
with
highway
matters
if
there
any
specific
issues.
E
Highway
works,
76,
000
pounds
for
travel
planning,
which
will
include
provision
of
a
real-time
bus
display
on
broadway
bus,
only
metro
cards,
car
club
parking
space
and
funding
for
a
travel
plan
coordinator,
parking
provision
for
the
development
is
in
accordance
with
council
standards
at
one
space
for
each
dwelling
up
to
two
beds
and
two
spaces
for
larger
houses,
and
there
are
19
visitor
spaces
in
total
and
inc,
and
four
of
those
would
be
laid
out
for
disabled
standards.
E
E
E
Now,
with
regard
to
primary
school
places,
there
are
currently
sufficient
places
across
primary
schools
in
horses
for
children
living
there.
However,
primary
schools
in
the
area
are
popular,
including
with
children
living
in
it
living
in
neighboring
areas.
I
was
set
out
in
the
report.
There
are
options
to
respond
to
this,
which
include
the
potential
expansion
of
newlands
primary
school,
which
is
the
nearest
first
school
to
the
site
under
policy
hg
5.1
and
this
proposal
is
not
affected
by
the
recent
high
court
judgment
on
the
residential
sites
in
the
site
allocations
plan.
E
E
now
paul
mcgrath,
the
council's
planning
and
bids
manager
of
the
school
sufficiency
and
participation
team
is
present
at
the
meeting
to
answer
questions
on
school
places
and
should
they
arise
on
affordable
housing.
This
is
a
100,
affordable
scheme
includes
flats
and
two
bed
houses.
E
Thirty
percent
of
the
dwellings
will
be
required
to
meet
strategy
policy
at
five
in
terms
of
affordability
and
the
remainder
they're.
Only
65
will
meet
nationally
set
standards
for
affordable
housing.
E
There's
a
more
detailed
breakdown
of
the
provision
at
10
13
of
the
report
on
page
23.,
the
housing
provided
stone
water
is
represented
at
the
meeting.
Should
members
have
any
specific
detail,
questions
about
the
provision
and
the
affordability
of
the
properties
storm
and
no
doubt
someone
who
would
be
able
to
comment
on
those
matters,
so
it
we
we
will.
We
will
have
53,
affordable
dwellings
compliant
with
council
policy,
which
breaks
down
to
32
social,
rented
and
21
intermediate.
E
E
There
is
a
good
mix
of
house
types
across
the
site
and
it's
skewed
more
to
smaller
units
than
perhaps
we
may
be
used
to
from
developments
carried
out
by
the
major
house
builders,
so
in
particular,
40
of
the
or
66
units
are
two
bed
and
43
or
66
wellington.
E
Three
bread,
the
size
of
the
houses,
are
all
either
meet
or
exceed
our
policy
h9
for
minimum
dwelling
sizes,
and
it
also
they
don't
also
meet
our
standards
for
accessible
homes
in
terms
of
wheelchair,
accessible
dwellings
and
adaptable
dwellings
and
the
the
development
comfortably
meets
those
standards.
I've
just
got
a
few
updates
to
the
report.
Before
I
finish,
I
think
I
mentioned
the
figures
for
the
affordable
housing
highway
contributions.
They
are
250
000
for
off-site,
however,
works
julian
may
wish
to
address
what
those
are
in
more
detail
and
76
000
for
travel
planning.
E
There
is
a
supplementary
report,
rather
a
representation
from
also
members
which
has
already
been
referred
to
published
on
the
agenda
with
the
agenda
papers.
I've
tried
to
address
the
points
raised
in
that
in
the
presentation.
E
In
terms
of
not
the
points
I
haven't
picked
up,
I
don't
think
the
members
expressed
a
concern
that
the
report
under
reports,
the
number
of
objections-
and
it
may
be-
because
I
referred
initially
to
nine
objections
and
then
further
down
the
report
to
71
so
18
total,
and
I
think
that
may
have
caused
a
bit
of
confusion,
but
just
to
clarify
that
the
report
does
refer
to
80
objections.
I
checked
that
again
this
morning
and
that's
correct.
E
The
host
attempts
also
had
picked
up
on
the
fact
that
the
site
does
lie
in
the
core
strategy
area:
strategic
green
infrastructure,
which
is
affected
by
policy
s
p,
13
on
strategic,
green
infrastructure.
Now
this
policy
again
martin
might
want
to
comment
further.
E
Obviously
it
doesn't
preclude
developments
and
the
development
has
been
drawn
up
in
cognizance
of
that
policy,
and
it
was
also
a
factor
when
the
site
was
allocated
for
development
through
the
sap,
which
also
refers
to
the
ecologically
sensitive
area
as
being
key
element
to
any
development
of
the
site.
E
I
think
ward
members
had
also
expressed
in
that
further
representation
at
his
eye
for
some
play
space
on
the
site.
That's
a
matter
that
I'd
welcome
the
panel's
views
on
they
have
a
mixed
reviewed
of
the
play
space
areas
on,
for
you
know,
play
equipment,
areas
on
housing
developments.
E
Sometimes
they
have
led
to
problems
in
the
past
because
they
can
attract
undesirable
behaviour
from
older
users
and
and
sometimes
it
even
be
known
to
be
take
out,
but
that's
something
that
members
may
wish
to
express
a
view
about.
There
has
been
one
further
representation
from
a
member
of
the
public
received
yesterday
that
doesn't
really
raise
any
new
issues
which
I'm
not
referred
to
in
this
presentation
and
that
are
referred
to
in
the
report
in
terms
of
additional
conditions.
If
members
are
minded
to
approve
the
you've
just
got
the
headline
conditions
there.
E
They
would
obviously
be
filled
out
in
more
detail
as
part
of
any
planning
permission.
We
would
need
the
the
garages
we
would.
Some
of
the
garages
are
a
part
of
our
the
part
provision
of
car
parking.
They
need
to
be
conditioned
to
be
retained.
As
such,
we
need
a
condition
relating
to
the
access
from
cardli
lane
and
and
being
satisfactory
realigned
and
road
markings
and
footwear
connections
made
good
in
terms
of
the
access
from
cartilage
into
the
development
site.
E
We
would
also
need
some
more
detailed
conditions
regarding
biodiversity
and
the
retention
of
the
accessible
housing,
so
just
in
conclusion,
we
recognize
that
the
circumstances
of
this
application
are
unusual,
and
you
know
and
officers
do,
however,
consider
this
is
a
well-designed
scheme
which
will
provide
152
much
needed,
affordable
homes
in
an
area
of
significant
shortfall
of
provision.
E
The
departure
regulations
do
require
that
if
the
council
is
minded
to
approve
this
application,
we
would
be
required
to
refer
the
application
to
the
secretary
of
state,
who
would
have
the
option
to
call
the
application
in
for
his
own
determination,
but
subject
to
this
significant
proviso
and
the
other
matters
referenced
at
the
head
of
the
report,
members
are
recommended
to
defer
this
application
for
subsequent
approval.
Thank
you.
A
I'm
sure
we'll
come
back
to
you
for
questions
and
perhaps
some
of
the
other
offices
you've
mentioned
will
be
required,
but
in
the
meantime
we
have
local
councillors
who
are
objecting
to
it
and
I'm
going
to
bring
them
in
now
to
speak,
they're,
councillor,
jonathan
taylor
and
councillor
don
collins,
and
they
have
four
minutes
and
of
course
they
can
divide
that
up
any
way
they
wish.
So
when
you're
ready
counsellors,
please
commence.
F
F
F
F
F
There
are
too
many
houses
for
the
area
proposed.
The
north
of
the
site
looks
cramped.
The
house
designs
are
poor.
There
is
insufficient
off-street
parking.
There
are
questions
over
road
safety.
There
is
poor
access
for
larger
vehicles.
There
has
also
been
very
little
consideration
given
regarding
bins
and
our
city's
bin
wagons.
Jonathan.
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you
don
and
thank
you
chair.
I
feel,
after
clarified
points
made
at
the
bottom
of
page
seven
at
the
top
of
page
eight
in
the
supplementary
letter
to
you.
The
106
contribution
listed
in
our
comments
for
education
is
not
from
this
development.
It's
from
the
remit.
It's
the
remaining
sun
from
the
horse's
veil
development
that
does
not
cover
the
estimated
cost
in
expanding
new
layers.
L
Primary
the
catchment
for
which
this
proposal
falls
in
the
horse
with
catchment
areas
have
already
started
to
shrink,
leaving
families
in
the
woodside
area
of
fallsworth
out
of
ls18
catchment
areas
completely.
If
the
development
was
to
be
approved,
the
catchment
areas
would
likely
have
to
shrink
even
further
to
accommodate
children
of
this
development
unfairly.
Excluding
existing
horse
with
residents
around
a
third
of
the
106
education.
Contributions
from
the
horse
of
baylor
state
have
already
been
spent
to
help
primary
schools.
L
Expanding
cardi
with
very
few
horse
with
children
actually
ending
up
going
there
we're
unaware
of
any
agreement
between
the
developer
or
the
council
to
add
to
our
existing
pot
in
any
meaningful
way.
To
allow
new
ladies
primary
to
expand,
I
feel
the
council
asleep
walking
into
a
school
places
crisis
here
in
horsworth
if
this
development
is
approved
also
to
further
expand
on
the
lack
of
forward
thinking
on
school
places,
provision
associated
with
this
application
in
the
table
on
page
28
of
the
report,
it
suggests
a
steady
decrease
in
numbers
over
the
next
few
years.
L
However,
the
experience
of
the
allocating
places
over
the
last
two
years
has
been
a
disappointment
for
a
growing
number
of
families,
as
horseforth
is
ever
more
popular
with
young
families,
for
the
council
suggests
to
suggest
that
only
37
places
will
be
needed
from
this
new
development
from
when
our
own
experience
as
councillors,
we
all
know
how
affordable
and
social
properties
are
allocated
to
need
and
family
size.
This
is
nonsense,
if
recommended
for
approval.
L
This
development
would
be
unfair
to
existing
families
expecting
a
school
place
and
also
unfair
to
new
families,
who
will
be
blamed
for
pushing
them
out.
I
echo
comments
made
by
councillor
collins
and
from
the
three
of
us
in
horsworth
in
our
letter
to
you
on
greenbelt
highways
and
other
issues,
and
we
are
asking
for
this
proposal
to
be
refused.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
dawn
and
thank
you
jonathan.
Can
I
ask
tony
that
you
take
the
map
off
the
screen,
because
I
I
need
to
see
people
who
will
ask
for
quest.
That's
that's
good.
Okay,
okay,
open
to
members,
then
questions
to
counselor,
collins
or
councillor
taylor.
Could
you
do
it
by
putting
your
hand
up
please.
D
Thank
you
chair
very
much.
This
can
be
to
to
to
to
either
councillor
collins
or
councillor
taylor.
So
could
you
just
expand
for
me
I'll,
because
I'm
a
little,
I
think
I
need
a
bit
more
information
to
understand
it
from
the
ward
members
perspective.
Explain
I
got.
I
lost
it
a
little
bit
around
what
you're,
explaining
in
terms
of
the
school
places
issue.
D
So
if
you
could
just
give
me
a
bit
more
clarity
on
that
number,
one
number
two:
can
you
explain
why
why
you
think
this
wasn't
brought
why
this
didn't
get
earlier
permission?
I'm
aware
that
there
was
originally
permission
sought
to
build
on
this
bit
of
land,
but
that
didn't
go
through
prior
to
the
greenbelt
land
being
allocated
to
the
sap.
D
Obviously,
it's
no
longer
allocated
to
the
fabric,
but
you
could
give
some
feedback
to
colleagues
on
that
and
finally,
turning
to
the
development
itself,
could
you
just
give
me
some
more
views
as
soon
you've
highlighted
some
concerns
that
you've
got
with
this
development
in
terms
of
the
actual
design
itself,
be
useful
to
understand
more
about
your
concerns
around
that?
If
I
may,
thanks
jen.
A
Thank
you,
dan,
don
or
jonathan,
whoever.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
don
and
thank
you
dan
for
your
question.
The
the
school
places
work
that
we've
been
doing
has
been
going
back
some
time
and
we
reference
it
on
page
seven
in
our
supplementary
letter
to
the
panel
it
it's
it's
not
true
to
say
that
there
are
surplus
places
in
horses.
Schools
in
this
intake.
There
were
no
surplus
places
in
any
of
the
horse
with
primary
schools.
We
have
300
places
in
it
at
each
intake.
L
13
children
with
a
horse
with
postcode
this
year
were
offered
places
in
schools
that
were
that
aren't
in
that
aren't
in
horse
with
and
to
expand.
On.
On.
Briefly
on
what
I
said
in
my
piece
a
few
minutes
ago,
we
know
as
councillors
and
how
social
properties
are
allocated.
L
A
three
bedroom
property
is
not
going
to
be
allocated
to
a
childless
family
they're
going
to
be
allocated
to
families
who
have
children
who
have
the
need
for
that
size
of
property
which,
for
me,
makes
the
pupil
product
ratio
the
ppr
unreliable.
In
this
case,
we
had
asked
children's
services
and
and
planning
to
to
come
up
with
some
work
which
would
on
similar
proposals
or
similar
developments
in
in
leeds
that
had
gone
through,
which
would
ease
some
of
our
fears.
L
These
weren't,
provided
until
last
week
until
we
chased
the
chief
planning
officer
and
were
then
two
days
well
one
working
day
later
contradicted
and
said
that
the
work
that
had
been
done
can't
actually
be
relied
upon
and,
as
I
said,
I
think
we're
sleepwalking
here
into
a
school
places
crisis.
The
trend
over
the
last
couple
of
years
is
that
the
numbers
of
children
needing
places
in
horsforth
is
increasing
not
decreasing.
L
Despite
what
the
the
report
states
and
each
year
more
and
more
we're
going
to
more
and
more
school
appeals
and
they're
increasingly
difficult
to
win.
So
I
hope
that
answers
your
question
done
and
I'll
move
over
to
don.
F
Lovely
thank
you
chair.
It
might
be
best
if
I
just
start
with
a
little
bit
of
history
on
the
site
when
the
the
college
was
first
closed
and
the
first
planning
application
came
forward
is
planning
reference.
1502
901,
which
I
refer
to
in
our
letter,
that
was
for
72
dwellings
and
the
applicant
at
that
time,
was
proposing
to
demolish
the
existing
college
buildings
and
build
on
the
footprint
of
the
those
buildings
and
they
weren't
going
to
increase
the
mass
and
they
weren't
going
to
increase
the
height.
F
However,
since
then,
we've
had
this
ongoing
demand
for
even
more
properties
on
this
site,
even
though
the
site
was
in
greenbelt.
So
we
had
never
point
dis
considered
that
this
was
a
suitable
site
to
build
on
one,
because
it's
greenbelt
and
two
because
of
the
other
important
aspects
regarding
ecology
and
animal
habitats.
F
So
we
were
against
the
council
when
they
put
it
towards
the
sap.
We
were
relieved
when
it
was
then
taken
out
and
left
in
greenbelt,
but
we
are
still
being
open,
honest
and
fair
about
the
72
houses
that
have
already
got
planning
permission,
provided
they
stay
on
the
footprint
of
the
college
buildings.
F
So
that
is
our
concern.
Is
we're
trying
to
be
reasonable
and
say
yes,
72?
Is
there
doesn't
conflict
with
anything
in
the
mppf
guideline
won't
give
such
a
significant
problem
to
the
people
of
horsworth.
What
we
do
object
to
is
that
number
doubling.
I
hope
that
answers
council
cohen's
question.
F
A
You
don
can
I
move
on
now
to
council.
D
It
half
does,
but
it
doesn't
fully
answer
politics.
Okay,
my
understanding
and
counselor
collins
will
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
when
the
initial
application
was
made
for
those
72
houses,
my
understanding
was
there
was
an
appetite
at
that
point
to
look
beyond
that
original
footprint
into
the
wider
green
space
that
was
unequivocally
knocked
back
because
it
wasn't
appropriate.
F
They
did
have
a
phase
two
that
they
brought
to
the
meetings,
but
at
that
point
it
was
still
green
built.
That's.
D
M
Hello,
firstly,
could
I
say
I
had
great
difficulty
getting
back
into
the
meeting.
As
you
know,
I
joined
the
meeting.
I
was
complaining
about
a
dark
screen
and
then
suddenly
the
sand
went
off
the
person
who
was
supposed
to
be
on
duty
for
any
difficulties
like
that
was
at
lunch,
so
it
it
took
me
a
half
an
hour
to
get
back
in.
M
Fortunately,
I
have
thoroughly
read
the
report
now,
if
you
could
just
leave
the
green
belt
issue
aside
for
one
moment
I
hear
what
is
being
said
about
education
in
horsworth,
but
then
does
that
follow
that
there
that
you
would
be
against
any
development
anywhere
in
horsworth,
because
there
are
insufficient
places
in
the
schools.
H
L
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
councillor,
nash,
for
your
for
your
comments.
I
think
it's
it's
a
difficult,
it's
a
difficult
one,
because
there
is
some
funding
allocated
to
expansion
of
new
lathes,
there's
still
a
significant
number,
a
significant
amount
to
find
to
to
expand
it
for
another
form,
around
two
million
pounds,
the
the
the
the
need
to
to
address
this
is
now
and
when
the
council
haven't
even
completed
the
feasibility
study,
I
mean
it's
in
the
sap.
L
I
mean
that's
all
well
and
good
and
we
would
look
at
those
plans
when
they
come
in,
but
this
is
this
is
years
and
years
of
work.
That
needs
to
be
done
to
see
if
the.
If
the
school
is
even
capable
of
expanding,
and
at
the
moment
it
looks
like
it
is
the
only
school
capable
of
expanding
in
horsworth,
and
if
it
doesn't
work
there,
then
it
isn't
going
to
work
for
anywhere
else,
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
of
when
these
developments
come
forward.
L
The
answer
if
it's
approved
is
going
to
shrink
even
further
and
people
who
are
existing
residents
of
horstworth,
who
have
potentially
moved
to
horsworth
as
a
young
family
to
get
a
space
in
a
horse's
school,
are
then
squeezed
out
of
the
catchment
area
completely
and
are
having
to
look
elsewhere
and
with
all
the
travel
and
the
costs,
the
disappointment
and
the
expense
that
that
that
all
entails?
M
F
F
F
We've
had
two
or
three
conversations
where
with
them,
where
they're
continually
to
spout
the
the
equation
that
calculates
the
national
average
average,
they
have
been
no
enthusiasm
to
look
at
how
locally
that
might
vary
and
they're
always
spouting
that
they're
optimistic
that
the
numbers
will
drop.
So
quite
frankly,
at
the
moment,
the
confidence
I
have
with
those
offices
to
actually
accurately
calculate
or
even
consider
what
we
need
in
horsforth
is
poor.
A
Thank
you
don,
that's
unequivocal.
We
do
have
housing,
housing,
historic
school
offices
here,
so
maybe
another
opinion
on
that
might
come
forward
later
on,
but
we
respect
your
opinion
on
that.
Thank
you,
councillor,
graham
latte.
Please.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
now
relying
on
on
memory,
which,
at
my
age,
isn't
always
that
reliable,
but
this
the
adjacent
estate,
the
victoria's
is,
it
is
quite
a
narrow-roaded,
dense
estate,
and
I
can
imagine
from
this
this
newest
state.
If
it
happens,
the
exiting
edges
in
your
mouth
onto
the
a65
is
going
to
be
very
difficult.
H
What
are
your
comments
about
the
potential
for
running
through
that
estate,
possibly
the
danger
of
parked
cars
residents
etc
and
perhaps
a
lot
of
children
walking
through
the
school
at
the
bottom
of
them?
F
Right,
thank
you,
councillor,
latin.
Yes,
it's
an
extremely
good
point
and
we
all
we
already
have
extensive
rat
running
through
that
estate.
My
apologies
to
councillors,
who
don't
know
the
area
very
well,
but
hopefully
they
have
on
occasion
driven
up
new
roadside
from
the
city
centre
to
the
horse.
That's
roundabout.
Now
what
we
find
at
the
moment
is
that
the
queue
is
on
horsewith
roundabout.
F
Even
though
there's
been
recent
changes
and
they've
tweaked
the
traffic
lights
in
the
last
few
weeks,
and
because
there's
queuing
onto
horsefifth
roundabout
on
new
roadside,
we
are
getting
impatient.
Drivers
who
are
turning
left
driving
all
the
way
through
the
victorious
housing
estate,
so
that
they
come
up
can
come
out
at
the
top
of
calvary
lane
near
to
the
roundabout
and
squeeze
out
into
the
traffic
so
that
they
themselves
are
not
having
to
queue.
So
we
need
to.
F
We
already
have
a
problem
with
rat
running
the
more
burden
that
we
put
on
our
roundabouts
and
our
ring
road.
I
think
the
more
people
are
going
to
do
it
and
if
you've
then
got
the
added
volume
of
traffic
coming
from
the
development
onto
that
part
of
the
road,
it's
only
getting
them
to
get
worse
and
worse
and
worse.
The
officers
are
correct
that
a
few
years
ago
this
was
an
open
and
active
college,
but
in
the
last
three
years
we
have
seen
volumes
in
traffic
go
up
and
up
in
this
area.
F
If
you
look
today
because
of
the
covid
scenario,
the
numbers
are
down,
but
I
think
it
would
be
grossly
unfair
to
do
the
statistics
and
work
out
the
calculations
based
on
what
we're
seeing
during
the
coded
crisis.
We
have
to
look
back
to
what
happened
just
before
march
and
rat
running
and
massive
queues
and
traffic
were
commonplace.
Then
thank.
A
You
don
can
I
move
on
to
councillor
paul.
L
Yeah
to
answer
your
question:
councillor
latte
that
roundabout,
as
I'm
sure
most
of
us
know,
is
for
one
of
a
better
term,
a
disaster
zone.
In
the
last
five
years
there
have
been
20,
plus
accidents
related
to
crossing
that
roundabout
and
adding
on
to
getting
out
of
this
development
and
turning
left
or
turning
right.
I
think
the
proposal
initially
from
the
developer
was
just
a
yellow
box,
which
is
was
so
far
beyond
what
was
so
far
short
of
what
we
actually
needed
here.
It
it
was,
it
was.
L
It
was
laughable
and
also
echoing
what
what
council
collins
says.
The
the
rat
running
through
through
the
victoria
is
to
try
and
cut
out
the
traffic
going
towards
this.
This
roundabout,
particularly
when
new
relay
school,
is
down
there
and
the
victorious
area
is,
is
home
to
a
lot
of
families,
a
lot
of
young
families
and
would
possibly
expect
that
this
development
would
also
house
a
lot
of
young
families
as
well.
It
just
just
makes
it
so
so
dangerous
for
pedestrians.
L
If
I
could
just
briefly
go
back
to
council
nations,
I
don't
think
I
managed
to
answer
her
question
to
her
satisfaction.
A
few
moments
ago,
I
I
think-
and
I
I
I
I
agree
with
with
councillor
collins-
I
agree
with
what
she's
saying
we
do
have
to
we.
We
are
mindful
that
there
is,
you
know
some
development
that
has
to
happen.
L
It
has
to
be
proportionate,
it
has
to
be
reasonable
and
it
has
to
be
catered
for
by
the
either
existing
infrastructure
or
real
work
done
to
improve
the
infrastructure
around
it.
And
sadly
this
doesn't
do
that.
So
I
hope
that
helps
counselor
nash
and
council
alati.
Thank
you.
H
I
I
I
had
a
follow-on
question
to
cancel
a
lot,
his
question
about
the
junction
of
calvary
lane
and
the
a65
to
either
of
the
war
members.
Have
you
seen
a
plan
for
that
junction
and
are
you
happy
with
it,
and
the
second
question
is
regarding
layout:
are
you
happy
with
the
layout
of
the
site
where
we
start
with
a
block
of?
Is
it
17
flats
all
in
the
entrance
where
the
narrowest
part
of
the
site,
and
then
we
move
further
down
to
the
detached
ones
at
the
bottom
of
the
site?
F
Regarding
the
highways
improvements,
no,
I
haven't
seen
any
details
about
the
highways
improvements
as
councillor
taylor
mentioned
when
we
started
discussions
with
the
developer,
which
was
probably
two
years
ago
now
that
was
thrown
into
the
the
the
yellow
box
hatchbox
was
thrown
into
the
mix
as
something
the
highways
officers
could
actually
see.
That
could
be
done,
but
he
also
acknowledged
at
that
time
and
it
was
a
different
highways
officer
at
the
time
that
that
would
not
be
sufficient
to
actually
mitigate
the
whole
site
being
developed.
F
I
do
not
know
at
the
moment
where
the
highways
do
have
some
details
about
those
plans,
because,
in
fairness,
we
thought
that
this
site
had
been
set
aside,
because
it
was
no
longer
in
the
sap
and
we've
had
less
than
two
weeks
to
actually
try
and
get
up
to
speed
to
find
out
where
we
are
and
what's
going
forward
and
what
has
been
proposed.
F
So
no,
I
don't
know
what
the
designs
are.
I
would
suspect,
from
other
conversations
we've
had
with
officers
regarding
highways
improvements
in
the
area
that
there
needs
to
be
significant
change
on
the
ring
road
and
to
the
roundabouts,
because
they
know
that
there's
potential
problems
there
or
one
of
the
real
problems
there
already,
which
is
why
the
council
has
paid
for
a
a
serious
review
of
the
roundabout
and
has
put
significant
funding
together
to
actually
do
a
proper
analysis
of
what's
needed
in
that
area.
F
There
obviously
was
concerns
when
it
was
the
72
houses
coming
out
on
that
same
junction,
but
that
was
not
ignored
but
felt
that
that
was
not
as
significant
as
it
currently
is,
with
doubling
the
number
of
houses.
L
Do
you
want
a
quick
word?
John?
Yes,
please
thank
you
chair.
You
might
notice
councillor
wadsworth
as
you
go
through
this,
that
the
sequence
of
the
lights
has
changed,
which
is
pretty
much
the
limit
to
what
highways
are
able
to
do
at
the
moment
on
the
existing
footprint
of
the
of
the
roundabout
they've
tinkered
with
the.
L
We
know
that
there's
masses
of
traffic
in
each
direction
that
queues
up
at
rush
hour
and
occasionally
outside
of
rush
hour
as
well
and
just
adding
to
it
it's
just
without
any
sort
again,
it's
the
same
so
say
with
education
without
any
sort
of
feasibility,
study
or
proposal
or
drawing
or
anything
at
all,
as
to
how
it's
going
to
be
improved,
we're
adding
to
the
pressure
on
the
on
the
infrastructure
without
looking
at
how
we
can
relieve
the
pressures
on
there
and
at
least
the
start
of
the
work
at
least
show
us
something
to
state
that
this
this
a
view
or
a
vision
as
to
how
we're
going
to
resolve
the
issue
at
this
stage.
L
But
there
isn't
even
that,
sadly,
to
answer
your
other
point,
councilor
was
with
yeah,
I'm
not
happy
about
the
the
huge
building
at
the
entrance.
L
It
was
a
field
and
my
hope
is
that
it
would
remain
a
field
not
have
not
be
developed
upon
and
to
have
the
the
massing
at
the
start
or
the
entrance
of
the
the
development,
as
opposed
to
maybe
further
in
or
towards
the
towards
the
side
of
the
ring
road.
Is
it
is
bad
design?
In
my
view,.
A
M
Yes,
thank
you.
I
want
to
go
back
to
counselor
nash's
question
really
which
which
counselor
collins
answered,
and
then
counselor
jonathan
taylor
mentioned
in
some
way
where,
in
your
letter
that
accompanies
the
main
objections
letter,
you
say
that
the
outline
planning
application
for
up
to
72
dwellings
was
acceptable
to
local
horsepower
councillors.
J
F
F
For
more
housing
and-
and
this
seems
to
me
a
contradiction
so
I'm
confused,
could
you
explain
a
bit
yeah?
Yes,
the
72
dwellings
that
already
have
the
outline
planning
permission
are
not
affordable
homes,
so
they
are
so.
F
It
is
more
appropriate
for
when
the
children
services
use
the
national
average
to
calculate
how
many
school
places
those
72
homes
will
need
is
it
that
is
more
appropriate
you're
quite
right,
we
could
end
up
with
more
children
in
those
72
dwellings
or
the
applicant
actually
could
actually
choose
to
develop
those
as
or
100,
affordable
dwellings,
which
we're
arguing
will,
on
average,
bring
forward
more
children
needing
school
places,
but
at
the
time
those
72
dwellings
were
put
forward,
we
felt
that
the
impact
in
the
area
would
be
acceptable.
F
We've
taken
those
72
dwellings
into
account
when
we
say
we
don't
want
any
more
in
horse
with
we're,
assuming
72
dwellings
on
that
site
will
come
forward
and
things
have
moved
on
since
they
were
given
planning
permission
and
that
application
was
put
forward
in
2015..
L
L
We
we
are
and
we're
not
against
proportionate
development
in
horstworth
we
and
there
is
a
need
which
we're
hoping
can
be,
can
be
appropriately
addressed
and
when
stonewater
came
forward,
as
dawn
says
a
couple
of
years
ago,
and
we
had
our
initial
discussions
with
them
and
you
know
the
ideas
and
they
seemed
like
they
were
a
different,
a
different
type
of
developer
and,
as
I
think,
we've
put
in
our
letter,
sadly,
it
just
seems
the
the
design
the
everything
seems
to
be
the
bare
minimum.
Now
it's
a
very
squashed
site.
L
Sadly,
it
just
seems
like
the
same
old.
Unfortunately,.
A
Thanks
jonathan
owl
are
you
okay?
Can
I
move
on.
H
F
H
A
On
thank
you
right
and
I
see
no
more
hands
so
I
take
in
that
concludes
questions
that
members
would
wish
to
ask
don
and
jonathan.
Can
I
at
this
stage
then
thank
john
and
don
for
their
contribution
and
invite
mr
brock
from
the
developers
to
come
forward
or
not
come
forward?
I
I
think
I'm
sitting
around
the
table.
Don't
know
I'm
talking
about
virtual
table.
Sorry,
mr
brock,
are
you?
Are
you.
A
A
N
Thank
you
very
much
jeff
yep,
so
thank
you,
chair
and
members
for
allowing
us
to
present.
Today.
We
appreciate
this
may
appear
as
a
very
new
and
potentially
emotive
proposal.
Given
the
site's
reversion
to
greenbelt
following
court
ruling,
however,
the
site
has
been
progressed
through
the
planning
process
over
the
past
five
years.
As
we've
heard,
part
of
the
site
has
an
existing
consent,
whilst
the
whole
site
is
suitable
for
development.
Under
the
provisions
of
the
nppf.
N
We
first
presented
this
site
to
members
in
october
2015,
when
we
secured
outline
planning
approval
for
72
units,
the
balance
of
the
site
subsequently
allocated
in
the
sap
in
july
2019
supporting
a
comprehensive
allocation
for
up
to
206
homes.
The
site
has
been
subject
to
extensive
public
consultation
until
the
sap
court
ruling.
This
application
was
not
particularly
controversial
and
it
was
allocated
in
the
neighborhood
plan
voted
for
by
91
in
the
referendum.
N
A
sap
allocation
is
not
essential
for
the
planning
commission,
paragraph
145
of
the
mppf
confirms.
The
proposal
falls
into
one
of
the
exceptions
where
new
buildings
would
not
be
inappropriate.
N
In
this
case,
the
complete
redevelopment
of
previously
previously
developed
land
would
not
caught,
which
would
not
cause
substantial
harm
to
openness
of
greenbelt
and
where
that
development
would
meet
an
identified,
affordable
housing
need,
as
outlined
in
your
offices
report.
This
position
has
been
supported
by
the
planning
inspectorate
and
the
secretary
of
state
in
the
oxford
brooks
campus
decision
in
april
this
year.
N
Every
two
bed
affordable
home,
was
subject
to
bids
from
260
households,
whilst
the
average
waiting
time
for
a
three
bed
home
in
bandai
was
almost
two
and
a
half
years.
So
it's
important
to
stress
that
all
152
units
are
proposed
as
affordable,
delivering
the
35
policy
requirement,
which
is
53
units
plus
another
99,
on
top
subject
to
planning
stonewater
intend
to
complete
the
development
by
2025,
providing
a
substantial
number
of
affordable
dwellings
to
help
address.
N
The
significant
unmet
need
for
local
people
in
the
short
term
and
it
will
be
a
mix
of
social
rent,
affordable,
rent,
rent
to
buy
and
shared
ownership.
The
benefits
of
the
proposal
go
far
beyond
the
affordable.
Housing
involve
reuse
of
a
previously
developed
site
in
sustainable
location,
public
access
to
over
three
hectares
of
new
green
infrastructure
and
significantly
will
secure
the
long-term
management
and
enhancement
of
protect
protected
habitat
areas.
In
recognition
of
the
climate
emergency,
every
house
will
benefit
from
pv
panels.
N
N
The
site
has
approval
for
72
units
on
the
developed
part
of
the
site.
The
nppf
allows
for
development
both
on
the
developed
footprint
and
associated
cartilage.
In
this
case,
the
scheme
will
deliver
significant
benefits,
as
highlighted,
but
significantly
deliver
100,
affordable
housing
in
excess
of
policy
and
support
continued
education
and
investment
for
our
young
people.
Adults
in
leeds
and
on
that
basis
would
gratefully
ask
members
if
they
would
support
the
officer
recommendation.
A
G
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
we
might
benefit
from
having
up
slides,
11
and
12.
If
colleagues
could
go
back
to
that.
E
How
will
it
be
to
the
slides,
but
I'm
sure
pam
will
be
on
to
that
now?
Yeah.
G
While
we
get
those
mr
brock,
yes,
I
don't
ask
you
anything
about
what
you've
actually
said,
but
I
would
like
you
to
take
me
through
your
thought
process
and
those
of
your
architects
in
coming
up
with
these
house
types,
I
mean
how
many
house
types
have
you
got
on
your
books
and
how
do
you
develop
a
development
like
this
in
the
way
that
you.
N
N
So
the
approach
to
development
based
on
this
comprehensive
layout
really
has
been
to
look
at
creating
a
higher
density
development
towards
the
northern
end
of
the
site
towards
the
the
the
built
up
area
with
horseforth,
which
is
where
the
apartment
blocks
are
located
and
then
moving
towards
the
density
development
towards
the
southern
end
of
the
site.
As
you
move
towards
the
large-scale
ecological
area
that
will
be
maintained
as
part
of
this
development
site.
N
So
that's
sort
of
the
overall
approach
towards
the
the
design
philosophy
in
terms
of
the
apartment
house,
design
and
the
lower
density
towards
the
southern
end
of
the
site
in
terms
of
individual
plot
designs,
there's
obviously
been
reference
to
the
local
urban
grain
in
terms
of
the
immediately
adjoining
area,
which
comprises,
as
you
know,
a
mixture
of
bricks,
stone
houses
and
some
render
houses.
N
So
the
approach
really
is
to
produce
materials
that
are
largely
bricked
with
some
rendered
areas
and
obviously
some
more
contemporary
appearance
buildings,
including
the
apartment
box,
which
which
I
proposed
to
to
be
from
artificial
stone.
So
I
think
that
image
that
that's
been
shown
up.
There
is
probably
one
of
the
what's
one
of
the
a
type
houses
isn't
it,
which
is
probably
one
of
the
more
traditional
brick-built
designs.
N
So
it's
just
a
convent,
conventional
brick
style
property
with
a
glaze
clip
that
grey
roof,
which
will
have
a
thin
profile.
As
I
said
that
design
has
evolved
through
discussions
with
your
your
colleagues
in
in
your
your
design
team,
in
terms
of
any
putting
any
particular
architectural
expertise
on
that.
Obviously,
I'm
not
the
architect
behind
the
scheme.
Unfortunately,
we
don't
have
members
of
the
architectural
team
available,
but
hopefully
that
sort
of
can
give
you
a
general
feel
in
terms
of
the
way
the
scheme's
been
approached.
A
Peter
we
do
have
jenny
here.
Our
design
special.
G
In
peter,
should
you
wish?
Yes,
if
I,
if
I
may
come
back,
I'm
sorry,
that's
my
cuckoo
clock
going
off
at
the
same
time.
So
apologies
for
that
slight
hilarity.
G
G
I
wanted
to
give
mr
brock
the
opportunity
of
explaining
the
thinking
and
why
he
satisfied
with
these
house
types
and
the
layout
I'm
happy
to
leave
it
here.
But
tony
claire
can
expect
me
to
come
back
to
that
when
there
are
questions
to
officers.
A
Okay
did:
did
you
want
slide
12
as
well
peter.
G
Well,
I
think
if
you
go
through
that
exactly
this
slides,
14
and
15-
and
they
all
illustrate
the
point
which
are
making
look
at
that
one
yeah,
which
my
colleagues
will
already
have
understood,
what
I'm
getting
at
yeah
and
mr
clegg
will
as
well
I'm
sure
I'll
come
back
to
a
chair.
Thank
you.
N
N
So
I
think
that
that
the
house
types
are
labeled
from
type
a
through
to
type
l.
I
haven't
counted
the
individuals
house
types
all
together,
but
between.
N
Ten,
so
there's
twelve
different
types
and
obviously
there
are
the
apartment
blocks,
so
there
is
quite
significant
variety
in
the
street
scene.
I
appreciate
you
only
seeing
a
number
of
the
house
types
in
isolation.
I
suppose
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
extra
point,
because
I
know
asked
about
the
house
types
or
the
number
of
house
titles.
A
M
M
Yes,
I
I
actually,
I
think
this
is
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
I
think
we
really
have
to
decide
whether
we're
going
to
have
a
housing
development
here
before
we
start
discussing
details,
but
the
recommendation
is
that
we
defer
and
delegate
could
I
ask:
do
the
houses
have
to
be
so
are
still
looking
as
that,
I
think
I've
seen
better
prison
camps.
M
M
Perhaps
you
could
elaborate
on
that,
because
I'll
certainly
have
something
to
say
about
it
later.
N
It
comes
back
to
the
point
is
to
referring
to
the
the
local
architects
to
using
that,
as
your
site
analysis,
respecting
the
the
the
design
guide
that
exists
for
horsepower
and
developing
a
series
of
dwelling
types
through
that
which,
I
suppose
are
subtle
in
their
variation.
It's
more
classic
architecture.
It's
it's
relatively
simple.
There
is
a
mix
of
properties,
it's
probably
more
traditional
house
types
to
the
south
of
the
site
where
you've
got
more
conventional
britain
and
tired
roofs,
but
with
some
more
interesting
architecture.
N
What
you'd
probably
call
more
contemporary
to
the
northern
part
of
the
site,
which
is
the
the
apartment
blocks
in
particular,
that
use
clean,
simple
openings,
recessed
openings
you've
got
the
the
accommodation
into
the
roof
roof
space
that
creates
features
at
that
level,
and
so
I
think
overall,
you
know
we
think
it's
you
know
it's
a
relatively
positive
approach
it.
N
It
reflects
the
local
context,
but
introduces
element
of
contemporary
architecture
within
it,
and
obviously
it
has
been
discussed
with
your
colleagues
and
and
we've
worked
the
scheme
up
to
a
point
where,
obviously,
your
your
design
officers
are
satisfied
with
the
proposal.
I
appreciate
design
is
a
subjective
matter,
isn't
it
you
know
tasty
it's
different
for
different
people,
so,
but
obviously,
yes,
we're
fairly
comfortable
and
positive
with
the
scheme.
M
Okay,
could
I
come
back
because
it
is
this
panel
that
decides
whether
your
application
is
acceptable?
Not
our
colleagues
who
are
officers-
and
I
don't
know
what
advice
they
have
given
you,
but
to
me
they
are
not
satisfactory
and
I
will
speak
about
that
later.
I
just
have
one
more
question:
there
has
been
a
point
raised
about
the
the
flats
being
at
the
entrance
and
therefore
overbearing
on
existing
houses.
There
do
they
have
to
be
in
that
location.
N
N
It's
been
sort
of
based
around
the
character
issue
again,
and
the
sustainability
viewpoint
in
terms
of
the
higher
density
development
would
be
located
towards
the
northern
end
of
the
site,
better
relationship
to
the
existing
urban
area,
and
they
are
potentially
the
units
that
that
could
provide
towards
some
of
the
the
more
elderly
elderly
residents,
etcetera.
The
climate
club
apartments
in
particular
they've
all
got
level
access.
They
all
meet
the
accessibility
standards.
There
are
four
apartments
that
meet
the
full
wheelchair
access
standards
so
locationally.
N
A
Thank
you,
phil
counselor,
campbell.
D
Thank
you
chair.
I
was
just
settling
back
there
to
listen
to
councillor
campbell's
question,
so
the
south
bit
of
the
plot
is
proposed,
as
I
understand
it
to
remain
as
green
space.
D
For
the
moment
at
least,
are
the
developer
taking
this
on
and
continuing
to
maintain
this
into
the
future,
or
is
it
going
to
be
something
that
an
income
stream
is
going
to
have
to
be
delivered
from
the
housing
to
maintain
it
or
is
it
the
council,
who's
got
to
adopt
and
keep
that
maintained
and
have
they
agreed
to
do
that?
So
it's
a
public
expense.
Some
clarity
there
just
would
be
quite
helpful.
Thank
you
dan.
Mr.
A
N
I
didn't
quite
catch
all
of
councillors,
cohen's
query
there
I
lost
his
reception,
but
it
was
to
do
with.
Was
it
to
do
with
the
management
of.
D
Make
sure
that
you've
got
the
full
question
or
is
it
that
the
site
is
going
to
have
to
generate
income
to
cover
the
cost,
or
is
it
the
case
that
the
developers
are
going
to
be
maintaining
that
to
the
future
yeah.
N
Yeah
yeah
thank
you,
chair
yeah,
the
the
developers
will
be
maintaining
that
and
that
will
the
maintenance
of
that
will
be
secured
through
the
section
106
agreement
that
hopefully
accompanies
any
planning
permission.
That's
granted.
N
There
will
also
be
a
by
biodiversity
management
that
will
effectively
supplement
the
normal
estate
strategy
to
ensure
that
the
bio
diversity
objectives
are
secured
and
that
that
will
be
for
a
minimum
25
year
period
and
again
that
will
be
tied
up
by
the
the
legal
agreement
that
would
accompany
any
planning
permission.
A
I
see
no
more
questions
so
can
I
move
on
then
to
questions
to
officers
I'll
bring
you
in
first
colin,
because
you
did
mention
that
you
wanted
us,
I'm
conscious
that
a
lot
of
questions
have
been
regarding
education
and
we
have
paul
mcgrath
here
a
lot
regarding
highways
and
we
have
jillian
mccloud
and
design
has
come
into
it.
We
have
jenny.
I've
forgotten
your
second
name,
jenny,
so
I'll
come
over
to
you,
oh
and
of
course,
we
have
martin
elliott
regarding
the
use
of
the
land.
A
So
members
may
wish
to
question
some
of
those
as
well
as
tony
clegg.
Tony
I'll
come
to
you
first
to
invite
him
in,
but
I
I
am
gonna
bring
people
in
with
questions
and
we'll
decide,
then,
which
officer
would
be
the
most
appropriate,
starting
with
you
colin.
Please.
H
Okay,
thank
you
chair.
I've
got
a
couple
of
a
couple
of
questions.
One
relates
to
the
car
parking
provision
on
site
it
sort
of
slipped
through,
but
perhaps
somebody
from
highways
can
say:
will
each
unit
have
two
spaces
and
if
not,
why
not?
The.
H
Sorry
that
was
my
phone
chair.
The
second
part
would
be
in
relation
in
to
the
southern
section
of
the
the
site
which
is
currently
envisaged
as
as
open
space
is
that
in
perpetuity?
I
was
just
thinking
what
would
the
status
if,
for
example,
as
part
of
the
review
of
the
greenbelt
sites,
which
the
here
the
judge
has
asked
us
to
undertake?
H
This
was
actually
effectively
put
back
into
the
sap
a
sap
provision.
That's
that's
my
couple.
A
Chair,
okay,
that's
that's
very
clear
colin.
Can
we
start
with
julian
then,
regarding.
H
Sorry,
I
was
gonna
say
I've
just
remembered
the
third
one,
sorry
to
interrupt
your
chair.
Third
one
was
was
in
relation
to
house
type.
I
and
you'd
be
surprised
if
I
didn't
raise
this
because,
as
you
well
know,
that
type
of
house
we
agreed
some
considerable
time
ago,
not
to
allow
to
be
built
in
leeds
because
of
the
possible
security
implications,
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
which
senior
officer
allowed
or
agreed
that
this
could
come
forward
with
a
house
type
which,
in
the
past,
we've
consistently
refused.
A
Thank
you
colin.
I'm
sorry,
that's
my!
Let
me
get
rid
of
the
next
meeting.
Could
we
start
with
julian
regarding
the
number
of
car
park
spaces
per
dwelling,
please
julian.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
chair,
so
I
have
a
breakdown
of
the
car
parking.
The
24
flats,
which
are
22
bed
and
four
one
bed,
have
a
total
of
21
spaces
between
them
and
they're
unallocated.
K
So
anybody
can
use
them
the
there
are
then
41,
two
bed
flats
which
have
sorry
two
bed
dwellings,
which
have
one
parking
space
per
unit.
K
There
are
two
three
bed
flats
which
have
one
space
and
one
garage
with
the
garage
being
an
adequate
size
for
parking,
a
vehicle
and
then
64
of
the
three
bed
dwellings
have
two
driveway
spaces
per
unit.
K
We
then
have
six
four
bed
dwellings
with
one
parking
space
in
front
of
one
garage
and
fifteen
four
bed:
dwellings
with
two
two
parking
spaces:
two
driveway
spaces,
so
the
the
I
mean
it
is
it
is
in
in
the
main
it
meets
our
street
design,
guide
requirements
which
are
for
an
average
development
of
the
of
this
scale.
Clearly,
there's
been
some
consideration
taken
here
and
the
fact
that
this
is
100,
affordable
housing.
So
we
do
believe
that
the
parking
that
is
provided
is
adequate.
K
But
clearly
the
visitor
parking
will
all
be
on
street,
which
is
is
just
under
layout.
Acceptance
for
this
type
of
residential
estate.
A
Okay,
moving
on
then,
which
officer
is
going
to
do
the
green
space
in
perpetuity.
E
E
E
We
went
to
a
period
of
very
high
density,
private
sector
housing
schemes,
which
were
three
stories,
because
developers
were
trying
to
maximize
the
amount
of
floor
space
on
ever
shrinking
areas
of
site,
and
we
had
a
succession
of
these
developments
with
all
of
which
consisted
of
simply
a
door
and
a
carriage
at
the
ground
floor
and,
having
looked
at
a
few
of
those
officers
and
members
decided
quite
rightly,
we
certainly
didn't
want
to
see
whole
developments
of
these
again,
which
is
why,
if
we
go
on
to
sorry
to
the
next
slide
13,
you
can
see
that
wherever
we
do
get
these
and
even
the
ones
that
which
is
high,
we
do
have
the
the
the
garage
at
the
ground
floor.
E
You
know
that
there
is
a
a
a
glaze
section
adjacent
to
the
door,
but
you
can
see
that
they're
not
bookmarked,
because
I
think
typically
there's
a
row
of
four
of
these
and
then
a
house
at
the
end.
So
there
is
that
surveillance
of
the
street
both
from
the
windows
that
are
integrated
into
the
design
of
taipei
and
also
that
variety
in
the
street
scene
through
the
introduction
of
the
larger
house
type.
E
So
I
mean
that
hopefully
addresses
that
point
and-
and
certainly
we
would
not
want
wish
to
see
whole
streets
of
these,
not
at
all
council.
Campbell's
second
point:
I
think
I'm
going
to
bring
martin
elliott
in
at
this
point
because
martin,
because
the
point
was
raised
about
well
what
if
the
site
is
allocated
the
whole
of
the
site
is,
is
allocated
in
the
future
for
housing.
Now.
What
I
would
say
is
that
the
layout,
that's
before
members
was
negotiated
at
a
time
that
the
whole
of
the
site
was
an
allocated
site.
E
E
Let's
say
if,
in
some
hypothetical
future
event
of
the
that
bit
of
the
site
being
allocated
for
housing,
which
had
difficulty
imagined
if
this
developed
is
approved,
that
we
would
go
down
that
road,
but
that
we've
already
kind
of
said
in
the
context
of
the
application,
when
the
site
allocations
plan
was
still
a
lawful
plan,
that
we
wouldn't
support
development
and
the
developer
agreed
to
take
the
development
out.
So
I
don't
know
if
marty
wants
to
come
in
a
bit
in
with
some
more
detail.
I
Thank
you,
chad,
just
to
supplement
that
really,
because
that
that
that
that
was
broadly
my
my
position.
I
mean
the
the
next
steps
chair
that
the
council
will
need
to
develop
a
revised
position
on
the
37
sites
affected
by
the
judgment
before
any
remittal
back
to
the
planning
inspector,
and
that
must
include
up-to-date
information
and
that
can
include
an
objective
assessment
of
biodiversity
which,
as
tony
says,
has
happened
on
this
site
through
the
progression
of
this
application.
I
But
in
any
case
it
would
also
take
into
account
that
the
previous
allocation
was
for
over
134
units,
and
this
current
application
before
members
today
is,
is
for
152..
So
the
current
app
the
current
application
does
in
fact
just
exceed
the
capacity
of
the
sap.
A
E
E
The
council
were
to
take
this
on
and,
for
example,
through
passing
countryside.
That
itself
would
need
to
be
the
subject
of
a
community
some
payment
to
meet
the
future
costs
of
doing
that
and
that's
standard
across
any
housing
development
where
we
introduce
new
green
space,
which,
of
course
is
on
all
of
the
the
larger
ones.
So,
there's
no
question
that
they
feel
like
any
burden
of
future
maintenance,
will
fall
on
the
the
council.
E
Also
worth
saying
that,
given
that
the
managed
moving
forward
by
a
housing
association,
they
have
an
ongoing
site
presence.
So
it's
not
like
a
developer
where
they
build
a
house
and
move
on
so
so
that
there's
a
further
incentive
there
to
to
ensure
that
that
space
is
is
properly
managed.
A
Thanks
tony,
can
I
bring
in
councillor
caroline
grew
now,
please,
caroline.
F
And
my
mouse
wasn't
playing
ball
with
me
right.
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to.
I
think
members
have
hinted
that
they
wanted
to
raise
this
at
a
later
point
anyway,
but
I'd
like
to
ask
jenny
if
she's
still
with
us
really,
what
kind
of
role
did
you
and
and
the
council,
your
council
team,
play
in
the
design
and
what?
What
is
your
view
about
the
design
of
the
housing
itself?
And
also
did
you
talk
about
the
play
area
and
what
are
the
principles
and
proposals
behind
that?
Please.
J
We
were
actually
brought
in
sort
of
the
beginning
of
last
year
by
tony.
He
was
getting
to
a
stage
now
where
he
wasn't
making
much
progress
at
all
with
progressing
the
development,
in
a
way
that
we
would.
We
would
wish
it
to
be
seen,
so
we
were
brought
in
for
a
workshop
with
a
developer
and
that's
that
sort
of
turned
things
around.
Quite
quite
significantly.
J
We
felt
in
that
the
developers
started
to
listen
to
our
our
views
about
retaining
that
large
area
of
of
space
to
the
south
for
biodiversity,
strengthening
the
the
western
edge
with
a
with
a
very
green
wide,
safe
and
accessible
walkway
for
pedestrians
and
cyclists
all
the
way
along
that
western
edge.
We
also
were
mindful
that
they
did
need
to
be
quite
a
mix
of
different
types
of
development
in
terms
of
type
and
density.
J
We
did
feel
also
that
there
needed
to
be
some
building
of
significant
structure
at
the
entrance
coming
in
to
the
site,
just
to
provide
some
sort
of
a
landmark
as
you're
entering
the
site,
but
we
did.
We
did
have
quite
a
considerable
contact
with
with
tony's
team
and
was
by
the
developer
as
well,
and
the
scheme
has
has
actually
changed.
We
feel
significantly
for
the
better,
and
it
is
certainly
a
scheme
that
we
feel
we
we
could
support
in
design
terms.
J
But
yeah
I
mean
the
layout.
The
layout
does
need
a
little
bit
more
attention,
but
it's
certainly
going
you
know
it's
certainly
looking
sort
of
in
terms
of
quality
in
what
we'd
be
looking
for.
Certainly,
natural
surveillance,
looking
at
bin
storage
and
looking
at
the
front
gardens
we'd
certainly
be
now
looking,
especially
with
with
kobe
19
and
some
new
front
gardens
guidance
that
we're
in
the
process
of
of
putting
forward
in
the
council.
J
It's
actually
in
progress
at
the
moment
we're
trying
to
get
away
with
you
know,
from
hard
standings
in
front
gardens
and
trying
to
get
that
sense
of
community
outside
by
having
soft
landscaping
and
garden
space
at
the
front.
But
but
yeah
I
mean
it
just
to
confirm.
There
has
been
considerable
discussions
with
this
site
over
the
last
year.
A
Thanks
jenny,
can
you
comment
on
councillor
groom's
point
about
playgrounds.
J
This
is
a
difficult
one,
and
this
is
one
that
I
that
I
was
only
aware
of.
Actually
when
we
got
the
notes
through
for
the
meeting,
I
hadn't
been
aware
of
any
requests
for
playgrounds
up
until
that
point.
This
is
a
difficult
one.
I
mean
I
certainly
feel
they've
got
a
place
within
large
parks
and
large
areas
of
green
space.
J
We
certainly
wouldn't
be
supporting
any
space
down
at
the
southern
end,
but
that
we
feel
should
be
kept
as
a
very
rich
biodiverse
area,
but
we
have
got
quite
a
large
area
of
green
space
towards
the
middle
of
the
site.
The
only
advice
I'd
give
is
is
that
you
need
to
be
a
very
well
designed,
but
very
carefully,
fenced
off
toddler
play
park.
J
I
think
if
children
of
a
certain
age
are
capable
of
getting
to
horsworth
park
and
further
afield,
we'd
be
looking,
perhaps
at
more
than
the
toddler
age
group,
but
it
would
have
to
be
an
area
that
was
very
overlooked
by
local
properties,
and
you
know
there
are
designs
that
that
do
tend
to
sort
of
you
know
tend
to
dissuade
the
older
children
from
being
interested
in
them.
So
we
could
certainly
certainly
provide
some
case
studies
of
suitable
place
bases,
but
but
yes,
ideally
it's
it's
good,
but
normally
those
play
spaces
again.
J
F
F
Satisfactory
is
never
good
enough
and
I
do
have
to
keep
telling
myself
it's
not
it's
not
about
my
personal
taste
and
what
I
happen
to
like
it's
about
whether
that
sufficient
consideration
has
gone
into
the
design
and
judging
from
the
cgi's
I
would
suggest
it
could
be
improved
on
and
on
the
playground,
one
yeah.
I
I
do
feel
that
we
are
80
years
into
my
being
an
elected
councillor.
F
We
still
haven't
made
much
progress
really
on
establishing
unique
bespoke
designed
play
areas
that
actually
do
their
job
in
an
open-ended
kind
of
way,
and
I
would
urge
that
this
isn't
just
delegated
with
a
brief
to
do
a
play
area
that
in
some
way
or
other
we
do.
We
do
get
an
opportunity
to
check
on
the
quality
and
design
of
that.
Please.
J
Yes,
just
to
come
back
to
your
counselor
to
grow,
and
I
completely
agree
with
what
you
just
said,
but
just
to
be
perfectly
honest,
I
actually
came
in
after
the
discussions
with
about
the
house
perhaps
had
already
concluded.
J
So
I
wasn't
a
party
to
those
discussions,
but
my
my
manager
mark
burgess
was
and
and
appeared
comfortable
with
with
the
decisions
that
had
been
made
at
that
point,
and
I
absolutely
agree
with
you
on
the
on
the
bespoke
play
areas,
and
I
think
that
certainly
I
I
remember
meetings
we
had
with
you
quite
some
years
ago
and
that
we
were
discussing
this
very
thing
and
it's
something
we
haven't
really
moved
on
with
at
all.
J
I
agree
with
you
so
that
that's
again
with
all
the
the
conversations
we're
having
at
the
moment
with
trying
to
encourage
walking,
walking
routes
and
trying
to
get
people
more
active,
I
feel
that
is
something
we
ought
to
be
doing
some
work
on
in
producing
some
bespoke
designs,
yes
yeah.
So
I
I'd
agree
with
that.
Thank
you.
Jenny.
E
E
J
A
Tony,
you
did
say
that
you
had
better
images,
but
they
weren't
available.
Could
you
perhaps
elaborate
on
that
yeah?
I.
E
Think
in
terms
of
that,
I
think
that
the
there
was
some
criticism,
perhaps
of
the
simplicity
of
the
of
the
two
bed
red
brick
terraced
out
when
they
are
a
fairly
sort
of
straightforward,
simple
design,
and
I
think
what
I
had
in
mind
looking
at
that
was,
if
you
go
not
far
from
this
site
and
head
back
in
towards
lee's
on
the
a65,
there
are
some
red
brick
terraces
off
to
the
left,
and
perhaps
you
know,
I
would
have
seen
that
as
being
somewhat
reflective
of
of
that
kind
of
local
characteristic.
E
A
E
E
The
j
was
knocked
down
in
volume,
detail
with
that,
and
the
market
was.
I
think,
what
we
feel
is
that
the
small
rubric
houses,
which
are
very
simple
you
will
find
perfect,
terraces
and
back
to
backs
nearby
off
the
a65
and
the
the
do
some
of
the
other
house
types
and
the
flats
block
represent
a
more
contemporary,
forward-looking
design.
E
So
you
know,
I
think,
that
that
and
we
are
content
that
that
they
represent
a
an
attractive
solution
for
the
site.
I
accept
that
some
people
may
feel
that.
A
H
Paul
thank
you
chair.
I
think
there's
other
people
before
me,
so
I
don't
apologize
but
I'll
get
in.
I
think
counselor
blackman's
been
waiting
quite
a
while
just
with
rounds
to
jenny
and
the
toddler
play
area.
I
think
you
should
think
about
it
and
you
talked
about
putting
things
along
the
cycle
track.
What
about
outdoor
gym
equipment?
Could
that
be
thought
about
and
the
developer
intends
to
plant
760
trees?
Does
he
intend
to
plant
them
all
in
the
southern
area?
H
There's
a
reason
for
asking
that,
or
does
he
intend
to
plant
them
in
other
parts
of
the
site
or
does
he
intend
to
put
them
outside
the
site?
That's
my
first
question
and
then,
secondly,
to
jillian,
if
she's
still
there,
oh
yeah
she's,
still
there
what's
going
to
happen
about
this
junction
of
the
a65
and
kavli
lane
and
the
other
little
road
which
forks
off
used
to
go
past
the
old
police
station,
I
don't
know
what
its
name
is.
H
H
And
cut
down
this
little
slip
road,
I
know
because
I've
done
it
myself
in
the
past
and
it's
not
the
safest
maneuver
shall
I
say
at
this
time
and
with
increased
traffic
coming
out
of
there
will
make
it
very
difficult,
but
I
assume
you've
worked
with
the
developer
and
got
a
solution
which
you
can
tell
me
about.
Thank
you.
E
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Hopefully
you
can
hear
me.
I've
definitely
turned
the
video
off
because
I
clearly
got
issues
there.
So
hopefully
you
can
hear
what
I'm
saying
that's
great
in
terms
of
the
tree
planting
yeah
I
mean
we
haven't
actually
agreed
the
location
of
all
of
the
trees.
They
will
be
all
planted
on
site
because
there
are
quite
some
substantial
open
air
is
retained
if
you
recall
from
the
layout,
which
we
might
might
be
useful
to
go
back
to.
E
Perhaps
if
we
can
do
that,
pam
the
I
might
perhaps
bringing
richard
martian
on
the
question
of
planting
in
the
southern
area
of
the
site,
because
that's
something
that
does
need
to
be
balanced
with
the
biodiversity
value
of
the
site
and
that
we
need
to
ensure
that
that
is
not
damaged
by
you
know
by
by
inappropriate
planting
in
that
area.
Are
you
able
to
comment
at
all
on
on
that
that
issue
richard.
J
We
would
you
like
me
to
answer
the
question
about
the
play:
the
sort
of
the
more
informal
play
space.
Just
very,
very
briefly,
that's
exactly
what
that's
exactly
what
I
had
in
mind
was
something
like
more
like
a
trim
trail
active.
You
know,
you
know
just
so
you're
actually
doing
a
bit
of
exercise
as
you're
playing
along
a
route.
So
that's
that's
what
I
have
in
mind.
K
Julian
yeah-
yes,
I'm
here-
thank
you
chair,
yes,
so
in
terms
of
the
off-site
highway
works,
so
there
are,
there
are
no
highway
works
proposed
at
the
junction
of
calvin
lane
and
the
a65,
I
think.
Originally
at
some
pre-app
stage
there
were
more
dwellings
and
an
assessment.
Transport
assessment
came
forward
with
more
dwellings
that
did
look
at
that
junction
and
the
solution
at
the
time
was
looked.
We
were
looking
at
providing
a
yellow
box
just
to
ensure
that
that
route
didn't
get
blocked.
K
You
know
if
if
there
was
queuing
at
the
signals
in
peak
times,
but
this
this
is
now
for
a
a
smaller
number
of
dwellings
anyway,
and
there
are
keep
clear
markings
that
actually
effectively
do
the
same
job
at
the
junction
that
have
been
implemented.
K
So
it
wasn't
felt
that
you
know
the
assessment
of
that
junction.
The
fact
that
I
think,
if
you
look
in,
I
think
it's
paragraph
10.16
of
the
report.
There
is
an
assessment
of
the
difference
in
trips
between
this
development
site
and
the
previous
college
use.
So
you
know
there
is
a
reduction
in
trips
actually
in
the
morning
peak,
but
a
slight
increase
in
the
evening
peak,
but
overall,
an
increase
in
trips
throughout
the
day
and
clearly
weekends
as
well,
so
that
that's
really
effectively.
K
We
look
we're
not
quite
looking
like
for
like,
but
we
aren't
looking
at
a
huge
increase
in
traffic
using
calvary
lane
over
what
the
college
previously
generated
so
so
yeah.
So
to
answer
that
question:
no,
there
isn't
in
terms
of
the
the
route
through
to
fink
hill.
There
aren't
any
proposals
at
the
moment
to
to
amend
that.
I
think
there
were
some
consulted
upon
as
part
of
some
fink
hill
proposals
to
to
improve
that
junction
to
make
that
route
one
way,
but
I
believe
it
was
the
public.
K
There
was
public
outcry
against
that.
So
I
believe
that
part
of
that
proposal
has
now
been
dropped.
So
you
know
there
won't
be
any
proposals
to
amend
that
cut
through
route
that
you
describe
but,
like
I
say
you
know,
the
actual
level
of
traffic
we're
looking
at,
isn't
significantly
greater.
It
is
greater,
but
not
significantly
when
you
look
at
it
compared
to
the
previous
college,
use
on
the
site.
A
K
Jillian,
so
at
that
junction
there
are
no
works
proposed
that
there
are
works
proposed
just
well
which,
which
tony
added
the
condition
on
just
to
improve
access
for
pedestrians
to
the
site
from
calvary
lane
into
the
site.
But
there
aren't
any
down
at
the
cavalier
lane
junction
with
the
a65.
K
There
are
then
off-site
highway
works
that
just
require
the
contribution
to
horstworth
and
rodley
roundabouts.
So
there
is
a
recognition
that
there
will
be
additional
traffic
from
the
site
which
will
be
impacting
on
the
on
the
junctions
in
the
area.
But
no
there
isn't
anything
at
the
actual
size
of
cavity
lane
onto
the
a65.
A
Thank
you
julian
tony
is
richard
available,
or
can
we
come
back
to
him
later
on.
E
Yeah,
unfortunately,
we
don't
seem
to
be
able
to
contact
richard
and
we
keep
trying
and
obviously,
if
there's
an
opportunity,
we'll
try
and
bring
richard
in,
because
obviously
it's
quite
important.
A
It
is
an
important
question:
okay,
we'll
move
on
then
and
come
to
council
blackburn
and
we'll
come
back
to
that
question.
Hopefully,
councillor
blackman.
B
All
right,
thanks
chair,
I've
got
three
questions.
First,
one
which
I
think
is
the
most
important
of
all,
and
I
think
martin
elliot,
would
be
better
answered
in
this.
The
fact
that
this,
as
was
in
the
sap
all
right
now
he's
green,
is
back
as
green
belt,
but
what
weight
is
going
to
be
given
to
the
fact
that
he's
been
that
it's
in
the
sap?
B
B
I
can
remember
on
past
ex
experience
that
where
something
was
going
to
be
in
the
development
plan,
if
somebody
put
if
we
turned
it
down
as
being
premature,
what
happened
we
got,
we
lost
it
when
it
was
appealed
against.
So
can
we
have
some
detail
about
that?
The
second
thing
is:
it's
the
item
that
colleen
campbell
brought
up
regarding
the
ones
where
the
gallery's
doors
facing
straight
onto
the
street.
B
I
wanted
to
know
whether
they
are
I
mean
not
clearly
they're
all
affordable,
but
some
are
affordable
for
sale
and
somewhat
affordable
for
rent
and
my
experience
of
having
out
houses
where
you
have
gathered.
You
straight
on
the
street.
You
count
that
as
only
your
parking
spaces,
but
often
what
happens
six
to
nine
months
afterwards,
applying
an
application
goes
in
to
turn
that
into
living
space
that
living
space,
we
turned
down
and
inspected
ambassador
and
that's
happened
a
number
of
occasions
with
a
state.
B
We
give
planning
permission
around
corner
from
where
I
live.
So
what's
that,
what's
the
situation
with
that,
and
and
thirdly,
it's
to
do
with
the
issue
to
do
with
it
with
public
transport,
I've,
I've
had
a
look
at
that
and
are
quite
interested.
First
of
all,
how
far
is
it
from
a65,
because
I
would
have
thought
that
is
the
most
relevant
bus
route
that
you're
going
to
use
the
number
33
and
the
33a
in
interleads
the
the
actual?
B
What
what
information
they're
giving
us
is,
the
number
nine
stroke
9a,
which
is
every
hour
and
on
on
broadway
and
the
number
30
which
doesn't
make
a
half
hour
access
to
to
it.
It
only
runs
to
pull
g2
twice
a
day
and
rest
at
time.
It
usually
runs
from
the
officersville's
a
stay
in
into
somewhere
in
australia
on
that
place,.
A
Thank
you
for
that,
starting
with
martin
perhaps
and
palm.
Could
you
take
that
off
my
screen?
Please
again,
thank
you.
I
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
so
councillor
blackburn,
an
answer
to
the
question.
What
weight
should
be
given
to
the
sap
members
are
encouraged
not
to
attach
weight
to
the
staff,
because
this
site
has
been
ordered
to
not
form
part
of
the
site
allocations
plan,
so
you
shouldn't
be
considering
it
as
an
allocation
for
an
in
principle
for
housing.
I
In
terms
of
where
the
sap
goes
next,
the
council
will
have
to
revise
its
position
on
the
37
sites
before
remitting,
that
to
the
inspector
and
at
this
stage
that
revised
position
has
not
been
set
or
clarified.
I
So
there
can't
be
any
draft
weight
if
you
like
that,
there
is
no
draft
position
for
members
to
attach
weights
to
on
the
sap
either,
but
what
the
report
does
set
out
is
where
members
should
focus
their
weight
and
that's
on
the
existing
udp
designation
as
a
major
developed
site.
The
fact
that
there's
an
existing
permission
for
part
of
the
site
and
the
national
planning
policy
framework
and
para145g,
which
makes
provisions
for
development
in
the
greenbelt,
provided
that
certain
tests
are
fulfilled.
A
Thank
you,
martin.
Okay,
julian,
do
you
want
to
come
back
on
question
on
garage
just
turned
into
living
spaces
by
council?
Blackman,
not
sure
you
can
say
much
on
that,
but.
E
Chair-
that's
probably
one
for
me,
because
this
would
be
something
yes
thank
you
and
we
would
control
through
a
planning
condition.
Now,
as
councillor
blackman
said,
we
have
it's
not
unheard
of
for
us
to
lose
the
lose
these
on
appeal.
B
E
I
think
so,
probably
all
I
can
say
on
that
really
we
we
can
and
have
successfully
defended
appeals
on
this
point
as
well,
and
that's
that's
what
we
would
do
in
this
scenario.
I
think
there
was
a
further
point
about
distance.
The
bus
stops
on
the
s65,
I'm.
E
Trying
to
find
an
exact
distance,
it's
quite
a
short
walk
from
the
from
the
at
least
the
top
end
of
the
site
through
to
the
a65,
but
I'd
rather
than
guess
it.
I
would
say
it's
about
pictures,
but
we'll
see
if
we
can
figure
on.
A
K
F
K
Just
some
of
the
properties
towards
the
bottom
that
slightly
exceed
it,
but
certainly
from
within
the
centre
of
the
site.
The
measurement
to
this
to
the
bus
stops
on
the
a65
is,
is
within
the
400
meter
standard,
walk
distance.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Can
I
bring
in
council
groom.
I
know
you've
had
oh
before
I
do
peter
can
I
can
I
just
make
a
comment,
mr
brock.
I
see
that
you
have
your
hand
up,
but
I'm
afraid
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
bring
you
back
in.
I
would
have
to
open
it
up
to
objectors
and
developers
again.
So
sorry
about
that,
but
cannot
do
council
groom.
Please.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much.
I've
got
two
or
three
points,
one
as
a
follow-up
to
martin
very
helpful
martin
of
what
weight
we
can
and
can't
put
on.
G
The
second
question
is
probably
to
tony
about
accessibility
standards.
I
didn't
hear
that
mention,
but
does
the
estate
as
a
whole
qualify
for
that?
G
And
thirdly,
I'm
glad
so
many
other
colleagues
came
in
after
I
probably
probably
too
diplomatically
for
me
raised
the
question
about
design,
I'm
massively
disappointed
with
the
answers
that
officers
have
given.
I
think
you
said
it
it's
attractive
and
it's
satisfactory
and
I'm
even
more
shocked
that
martin
burgess
would
agree.
Mark
burgess
would
agree
with
all
of
this.
G
A
I
think
that's
a
general
one,
peter
okay,
please
martin
first
and
then
tony.
I
Thank
you
chair,
sorry,
just
struggling
to
find
find
the
the
unmute
button
I
think
in
in
relation
to
the
weights
to
be
attached
to
housing
development
in
this
area.
I
Yes,
the
the
core
strategy
does
spread
and
distribute
development
around
the
city
through
a
policy
called
sp
7
which
identifies
indicative
levels
of
of
housing
to
be
delivered
within
different
housing
market
areas,
but
I
would
suggest
that
more
of
relevance
would
be
the
first
policy
of
the
core
strategy,
which
is
policy
sp
1,
which
looks
to
focus
development
within
the
main
urban
area
and
where
areas
can
be
infilled
within
that
area
and
where
best
use
can
be
made
of
previously
developed
land
and
buildings
before
looking
at
other
infill
sites,
which
may
be
greenfield
and
and
other
areas
which
could
be
identified
as
sustainable
locations,
so
policy
sp1,
I
would
suggest
is
is
is
where
members
could
focus
if
they
wish
more
steer
in
terms
of
the
principle
of
the
development.
E
E
Obviously,
since
we
adopted
the
the
core
strategy
selected
review
as
part
of
our
course
strategy
last
year,
we
do
have
a
specific
policy
on
accessibility,
which
is
policy
h10,
and
there
is
some
analysis
of
the
development
relative
to
that
paragraph
10.15
of
the
report,
but
basically
the
requirement
is
that
30
of
the
dwellings
meet
the
requirements
of
n4
brackets
two
of
the
building
regulations,
and
this
is
for
accessible
and
adaptable
dwellings,
and
this
is
part
m
of
the
building
regs
and
in
fact,
58
of
the
houses
need
that
standard,
which
is
88
of
the
houses,
in
fact,
and
then
also
the
real,
also
requirement
for
wheelchair
accessor,
wheelchair
user
dwelling.
E
Specifically
now
four
of
the
ground
floor
flats
are
specifically
designed
to
that
standard.
So
again
you
know,
that's
that's
comfortably
meets
our
policy
and
h10
on
on
access.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
question.
Somebody
just
asked
about
the
nearest
about
the
bus
stop
distance,
but
what
is
the
distance,
or
is
it
in
reasonable,
walking
distance
to
a
shop
or
doctor,
bearing
in
mind
what
sort
of
an
estate
this
is
going
to
be
very
likely
a
lot
of
young
couples
with
young
children?
H
So
what
is
the?
What
is
the
walking
distance?
The
other
one
that
I
have?
I
wonder
whether
julian
might
comment
on
in
the
papers.
There's
several
several
entrances
to
people.
There's
several
references
to
people
being
concerned
about
there
being
only
one
entrance
to
the
site.
I
appreciate
it's
the
number
of
houses
per
access
to
the
site.
This
is
below
that
number,
but
the
nature
of
the
site
looks
to
me
very
it's
it's
long
drawn
outside
and
just
one
entry
in
the
top
right
hand
corner.
H
It
just
seems
a
little
bit
sort
of
well,
I
don't
know
a
little
bit
contained,
certainly
if
you
look
at
the
far
end
of
the
site.
So
I
wonder
if
there's
a
comment
on
that,
and
perhaps
julian
could
comment
on
what
I
was
raising
with
the
two
local
award
councillors
about
right
running
through
the
victoria
estate.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you
so,
just
in
terms
of
the
the
walk
distance
to
facilities,
I
think
they're
on
page
26
of
the
report,
so
there's
a
there's,
an
assessment
table
of
the
core
strategy.
Accessibility
standards
there,
but
this
site
effectively
meets
them
all.
So
I
would
say
in
in
terms
of
accessibility,
it
is
a
very.
It
is
a
in
a
very
good
location.
K
So
you've
got
the
shops
down
in
horstworth,
but
you've
got
the
doctors.
You've
got
the
primary
school,
the
secondary
school
or
the
bus
stops,
so
they
are
all
within
walking,
distance
or
or
the
bus
and
walking
distance
requirements
of
the
site.
So
you
know
it
is
a
good
site
in
that
respect.
K
So
then,
going
on
to,
I
think
I've
forgotten
your
middle
point,
I'll
I'll
skip
to
the
victorious.
So
I
mean
we
did
consult
with
our
traffic
colleagues
about
the
issue
it
was
raised
during
the
application
stage,
but
in
terms
of
it's
or
the
estate,
is
already
20
mile
an
hour
zone.
There
wasn't
anything
specific
that
they
felt
needed
to
be
done,
and
I
suppose
I
do
need
to
go
back
to
the
point
that
actually
this
development
isn't
adding
significant
levels
of
traffic
to
that
local
network.
K
So
what
there
isn't
a
real
consideration.
You
know
that
there's
any
that
they
that
if
there's
an
existing
issue,
that
this
development
would
need
to
resolve
it
because
they're
not
they're
not
causing
it,
but
it's.
So
I
think
on
that
respect,
we
think
it's.
We
think
it's
acceptable
in
terms
of
of
the
the
route
out
to
the
main
road
network
from
the
site,
so
the
other
one
that
I've
just
forgotten
and
just
remembered
it
was
about
the
number
of
access
points
to
the
site.
K
I
mean
it
is
152
units,
so
it
doesn't
come
at
the
moment.
The
street
design
guide
suggests
two
points
of
access,
vehicular
access
after
200
units
and
requires
it
after
300..
So
it's
well
within
that.
You
know
that
those
parameters,
the
only
thing
I'd
say
about
access,
is
we
work
very
keen
to
get
pedestrian
other
other
pedestrian
routes
of
access
out,
but
we
haven't
managed
to
achieve
that
towards
the
the
southern
end
of
the
site
due
to
either
levels
or
land
ownership
reasons.
K
A
L
A
Thank
you,
council,
khan,
very
decisive.
Those
is
paul
mcgraw
in
here
from
education,
paul.
C
Thank
you,
sir.
The
answer
to
the
question
around
regarding
the
the
journey
to
the
the
school
and
we
look
to
ensure
that,
in
terms
of
school
place,
planning
that
we
meet
a
minimum
straight-line
distance,
which
is
how
the
admissions
policies
are
set
for
of
the
admission
policy
criteria
is
set
for
for
the
local
authority
and
so
we're
in
terms
of
primary
provision,
and
we
aim
to
make
sure
that
there
is
sufficient
capacity
within
a
two
mile
radius
of
any
home.
C
Distances
approximately
580
meters
from
the
the
center
of
the
site
to
new
lives
primary
school.
So
it's
well
within
the
the
the
the
the
distance
that
we
would
would
hope
to
achieve
for
somebody
to
be
able
to
walk
from
from
home
to
to
primary
school.
C
N
No,
that's
fine.
Paul
second
question
was
on
the
highway's
contribution
towards.
E
H
A
Thank
you.
Can
I
bring
in
julian
and
please
regarding,
was
there
enough
money
to
deal
with
the
matters
award?
Members
were
concerned
about.
K
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Can
I
just
just
comment
on
the
last
question
as
well,
because
clearly,
although
education
look
at
straight
line
distances,
the
transport
assessment
work
does
look
at
actual
walking
distances.
You
know
routes
that
are
available,
so
the
the
local
route
to
new
lathes
primary
school
is
less
than
a
kilometer.
K
You
know,
so
it
is,
and
it's
on
it's
it's
it's
on
the
same
side
of
the
road
there's.
No,
there
are
no
roads
to
be
crossed.
There
will
be
footwear
provision
all
the
way.
So
you
know
it
is.
It
is
within
a
good
walking
distance
to
that
school.
There
is
also
a
footway
being
taken
down
right
to
the
southern
end
of
the
site.
K
K
That
money
is,
is
not
there
to
deliver
any
remedies
to
issues
such
as
the
rat
running
or
potentially
to
the
yellow
box
junction,
or
anything
like
that.
We,
you
know
the
assessment's
been
made
that
those
issues
aren't
required
from
the
highway
assessment
of
the
scheme,
so
the
250
000
pounds
is
purely
it.
K
It's
it's
been
negotiated
as
part
of
the
cumulative
impact
policy
that
we
brought
in
through
this
app
and
and
through
the
core
strategy
as
well
to
make
sure
that
that
developments
that
had
a
had
an
impact,
but
not
a
significant
impact
in
their
own
right,
were
actually
contributing
to
the
congestion
levels
that
were
being
accumulated
from
several
developments
in
the
same
area,
so
that
money
is
going
towards
the
schemes
at
horsworth
and
rodney
roundabouts,
and
there
is
a
scheme
already
being
designed
up
an
interim
scheme
just
to
extend
the
exit
merge
length
down
on
the
ring
road
from
the
junction
which
the
scheme
which
the
money
could
be
put
towards.
K
H
Thank
you
chet.
Yes,
that's
fine,
chad!
Just
briefly,
I
thought
captain
latte
will
pick
up
actually
on
the
design
of
the
houses
regarding
chimneys.
Traditionally.
A
I'm
sure
he
might
want
to
make
that
comment
when
we
come
to
comments,
but
we
we
broaden
it
out.
Now
we
talk
about
roofscapes
rather
than
chimneys,
but,
however,
council
nash,
I
know
you've
been
waiting
a
long
time,
but
there's
been
a
lot
of
people
wanting
to
speak.
So
please
come
in
now.
M
Yeah
well,
I
had
one
question
to
ask
jillian,
but
I'd
like
to
ask
another
about
the
sap,
but
first
of
all
I
know
that
area
very
well,
because
for
seven
years
I
worked
in
radford
and
had
to
travel
that
way
now
the
junction
at
kabuli
lane
onto
the
a65
in
those
days
there
was
keep
clear
you
know,
painted
white
lettering,
but
that
all
that
did
was
allow
the
rats
runners
to
access
it
and
they
used
to
be
from
calvary
lane
and
access
onto
broadway
and
traffic
used
to
come
down
manor
road
councillor
once
worth.
M
M
I
was
a
member
of
the
highways
committee
and
after
a
lot
of
persuasion,
I
have
to
say,
I've
got
the
highways
officers
to
agree
to
close
that
that
exit
onto
broadway
the
ring
road
now
relating
to
that
the
the
roundabout
as
councillor
collins
mentioned,
is
still
pretty
bad.
Now
can
we
be
assured
that
improvement
works
will
be
made
to
this
roundabout
before
any
development
happens
on
this
smaller
state?
M
So
that's
that
the
the
other
question
is
that
I'm
disturbed
to
learn
that
it
has
been
taken
out
of
the
sap
this
site
and
that
we
have
to
give
no
regard
to
it.
Could
somebody
expand
on
that
because
I
think
that's
very
alarming,
because
it
has
implications
right
across
the
city?
If
that
were
true,
that's.
I
Yes,
that
thanks
chair
so
council
and
ash,
the
the
reason
that
this
site
has
been
taken
out
of
the
site
is
that
it
forms
one
of
37
sites
that
were
removed
from
the
green
belt
as
part
of
the
site
allocation
plan
process
for
housing
and
a
high
court
judgment
in
response
to
a
challenge
by
the
urban
neighborhood
development
forum,
eventually
ordered
in
august
that
those
37
sites
should
be
remitted
back
to
the
planning
inspectorate
to
decide
whether
or
not
they
should
form
part
of
the
adopted
sap.
I
So,
in
the
intervening
time,
they
do
not
form
part
of
the
sap
and
those
37
sites
totaling
just
over
4
000
homes,
but
the
remainder
of
the
sap
remains
adopted.
So
it's
only
limited
to
those
sites
of
which
this
is
one
now.
The
the
point
I
made
earlier
is
that
there
are
other
material
considerations
around
the
principle
of
development
on
this
particular
site,
notwithstanding
its
its
green
belt
status.
I
I
So,
even
though
this
site
isn't
part
of
the
sap,
the
national
guidance
does
allow
it
to
come
forward
for
for
development,
provided
that
it
meets
tests
in
terms
of
substantial
harm
and
tests
around
delivering
affordable
housing,
both
of
which
are
addressed
in
the
report.
So
I
hope
that
helps
does.
M
You're,
muted,
sorry,
I
did
click,
it
didn't
work,
not
really
it
helps
at
all.
I
mean
I
think
that
if
this
has
to
go
back
to
the
inspector,
I
think
the
inspectors
should
have
a
look
at
it
before
we
we
even
discuss
their
state.
M
A
J
So
so
the
point
that
martin's
trying
to
explain
is
that
the
the
site
allocations
plan
is
all
intact,
save
for
one
piece
of
that
site
allocations
plan
has
been
taken
out
and
it's
these
hg2
sites,
which
the
judge
ordered
were
to
go
back
to
the
judge,
to
the
inspectorates
for
redetermination
and
reaffirmation.
J
So
we
caught
essentially
one
part
of
our
plan,
a
jigsaw
piece
has
been
taken
out
and
that
now
needs
to
go
back
to
the
inspectors,
for
them
to
review.
We'll
have
to
go
through
a
particular
procedure,
as
we
did
with
the
rest
of
this
allocations
plan
for
those
particular
sites
and
decide
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
those
that
work
has
not
started
yet
so
in
terms
of
its
status,
it's
reverted
back
to
what
it
was
before.
J
J
Now,
irrespective
of
the
fact
that
it's
going
to
be
going
back
to
the
inspectors
and
there's
a
process
and
a
procedure
to
follow
so
for
safe
decision
making,
that
is
why
the
report
is
drafted
as
a
determination
for
a
greenbelt
site,
and
that's
why
tony
clegg
and
martin
have
explained
the
background,
and
there
are
policies
within
the
course
strategy
that
you
can
apply
to
your
determination
in
relation
to
sp1
and
sp7.
A
Does
nicky
thank
you,
chad,
martin.
I
Sure,
sorry,
I
I
wonder
if,
if,
if,
if
I
may
just
just
to
assist
members
really
in
in
in
terms
of
the
chronology
of
this,
make
us
more
point?
I
Please
thank
you
chair
nice
guys,
and
it
relates
to
something
that
councillor
cohen
asked
of
councillor
collins
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
about
why,
at
the
time
of
the
planning
permission
in
2016,
it
was
limited
to
the
to
the
to
the
site
boundary
that
it
was
limited
to
and
didn't
extend
further,
and
I
think
the
point
is
that
in
2018
the
national
planning
policy
framework
changed
so
the
mppf
introduced
para
145
g,
which
shifted
from
what
was
in
the
previous
mppf
dated
in
2012
from
a
test
around
greater
impact
on
the
openness
of
the
green
belt,
which
was
the
context
in
which
the
2016
planning
permission
was
granted
to
one
of
substantial
harm
and
a
proviso
about
delivering
affordable
housing,
both
of
which
you'll
see
assessed
within
the
report.
I
So
the
question
as
to
why
the
applicant
relied
on
going
through
the
site
allocations
plan
when
they
could
have
gone
through
this
route.
They're
going
through
now
is
a
moot
point
because
it
wasn't
open
to
them
at
the
time
of
submission
of
the
site
allocations
plan,
because
the
mppf
changed
in
2018
after
the
site
was
submitted
as
a
sap
site.
I
Now
the
sap
site
has
been
tied
up
within
the
challenge
and
taken
out
of
the
site
allocations
plan
the
applicant
has
suggested
and
and
and
put
in
front
of
us
the
use
of
the
mppf
policy
as
an
alternative
route.
I
A
A
M
Hello,
well,
I
heard
what
was
said,
but
I
can't
help
feel
that
feeling
that
we
may
be
wasting
our
time
this
afternoon.
Okay,.
A
M
A
Okay,
julian,
the
second
part
of
the
question,
was
highways.
Now
I've
almost
forgotten,
I
heard.
Can
you
remember?
I.
K
Can
thank
you
chair,
so
the
question
was:
would
the
improvement
works
that
horse's
roundabout
be
delivered
before
the
development
of
this
size?
The
general
answer
on
that
is
that
the
way
the
cumulative
impact
policy
is
being
written,
we
do
need
to
get
the
monies
in
from
these
sites
and
be
able
to
pool
them
in
order
to
ensure
that
works
can
then
be
delivered.
So
in
general
terms,
they
are
going
to
come
about
toward
nearer
to
the
end
of
the
development
plan
period.
K
So
in
usually,
I
would
say
the
answer
to
that
question
unfortunately,
would
be
no.
However,
in
this
case
there
is
a
an
interim
scheme
for
horsepower,
which
does
provide
some
improvements
to
the
junction
in
capacity
terms
that
is
currently
being
developed
up
by
wyka
and
our
transport
strategy
team
in
the
council,
so
for
this
in
in
this
instance.
K
Whilst
I
can't
promise
that
the
works
will
be
in
in
advance,
they
may
some
of
them
may
well
be,
and
there
may
well
actually
be
an
improvement
at
the
junction
in
advance
of
this
site
coming
forward,
but
that
isn't
a
norm.
You
know
that
that
is
just
because
of
the
well
because
of
where
they
are
at
in
terms
of
their
their
current
interim
scheme.
A
Thank
you
julian.
Can
I
now
go
to
councillor
dan
cohn,
please
dan.
D
We
go
beautiful.
Thank
you
chair.
I've
got
three
questions.
If
I
may,
do
you
want
to
ask
them
all
together,
would
you
want
me
to
split
them
up.
D
Question
one
subtitled
education
could
officers
just
speak
to
what
ward
members
told
us
around
surplus
places?
Ward
members
were
really
clear
that
their
experience
year
on
year
was
that
there
were
not
surplus
places.
D
So
could
you
explain
that
anomaly?
They
also
spoke
about
something
of
anomaly
and
anomaly
around
the
ppr
calculation.
Perhaps
you
could
speak
to
that.
Could
you
just
explain
also
if
all
the
young
people
from
this
potential
development
are
going
to
new
lathes?
D
Is
the
catchment
area
likely
to
shrink
for
essentially
both
the
new
latest
and
other
schools
question
one
question
two
which
I'm
going
to
subtitle
horrendous
horrendous
architectural
monstrosities
were
the
elected
members
involved
in
the
development
workshop,
I'd
like
to
think
not
given
the
I
saw
that
we've
just
seen
question
three,
which
I'm
entitling
this
is
really
all
about
greenbelt.
D
In
any
event,
when
we've
referred
to
affordable
housing,
which
clearly
this
is
advantageous
in
respect
of
you
didn't
highlight
to
us
a
very
important
part
of
the
report,
that
makes
it
very
clear
that
the
affordable
housing
aspect
wouldn't
in
officers
view
in
any
way
shape
or
form
either
alone
or
cumulatively,
allow
for
green
belts
development.
I
just
wonder
why
you
chose
not
to
highlight
that
aspect
in
the
report
and
I'll
save
my
other
comments
about
greenbelt.
D
If
I
may
to
to
comments
safe
to
say,
with
the
greatest
of
respect
to
mr
elliot,
I
think
he's
somewhat
underplaying
the
the
importance
of
the
earlier
application.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Okay,
a
lot
there
can
we
start
with
paul
mcgrath,
please,
regarding
the
education.
C
Good
future
yeah,
no
problem
so
I'll
start
with
the
the
surplus
places
question
the
the
world
members
fought
for
mentioned.
The
the
level
of
popularity
of
schools
in
in
horseforth
and
quite
accurately
stated
that
they
that
they
are
very,
very,
very
heavily
subscribed
schools.
They.
They
are
popular
they're
popular
with
local
families
but
they're,
also
popular
with
families
from
the
the
surrounding
areas
as
well.
C
So
in
terms
of
the
the
the
the
way
that
place
planning
happens,
is
we've
got
catchment
areas
for
each
school
with
a
number
of
children
that
live
within
those
catchment
areas
and
that
make
up
school
place,
planning
areas
as
a
whole
and
within
the
horse
for
school
place,
planning
area,
and
we
we,
what
we've
seen
over
over
previous
years
and
looking
forward
into
into
future
years,
looking
at
the
not
to
five-year-old
data
that
we've
got
available,
is
that
there
consistently
are
less
children
who
live
in
horsefifth
than
the
number
of
school
places
that
are
available.
C
However,
the
schools
in
horsford
receive
more
parental
preferences
than
the
number
of
school
places
that
are
available
and
which
reflects
that
popularity,
and
so,
if
there
are
300
places
available
and
those
places
are
in
demand
and
the
they're
issued
they're
allocated
based
on
admissions
policies
for
the
schools
in
the
area-
and
there
is
generally
a
priority
given
to
to
families
that
live
within
the
local
area,
who
are
in
catchment
for
a
particular
school.
C
C
What
is
the
unknown
factor
is
that
is
the
preference
patterns
of
parents
if
they,
if
they
choose
not
to
preference,
their
local
school
or
preference,
a
particular
school
that
they
want,
that's
heavily
subscribed
but
isn't
their
local
school.
Then
they
they
can
end
up
in
a
in
a
situation
where
they
may
not
be
placed
at
a
school
that
they
want
if
they
didn't
get
in
under
the
allocation
criteria-
and
I
appreciate
this
gets
a
little
bit
complicated,
but
essentially
there
are
sufficient
places
for
the
children
that
that
live
in
horseforth.
C
Some
families
do
choose
to
travel
outside
of
horse
every
year
as
well,
so
all
of
those
families
don't
take
up
a
place
within
within
horseforth
and
equally
there
is
some
inward
movement
from
from
the
outer
areas
as
well.
What
we
are
seeing
is,
along
with
the
the
rest
of
lead,
is
a
is
a
decline
in
birth
rate
to
some
extent
as
well
and
future
years
in
horsford.
C
At
the
moment,
we
are
seeing
a
decline
in
the
the
average
cohort
size
coming
through,
although
they
do
tend
to
grow
in
in
horses
by
the
time
they
reach
school
age,
and
so
we
don't
see
at
the
minute
any
significant
pressure
within
the
current
cohorts
that
we
see
coming
through.
That
would
would
require
an
expansion
at
this
moment
of
provision
in
the
area,
but
we
we
do
constantly
monitor
that
picture.
C
So
we
would
be
looking
at
regular
nhs,
birth
nhs
records
and
the
number
of
not
to
five-year-olds
that
are
in
the
system
and
we
would
be
monitoring
both
the
estimated
yield
from
new
housing.
That's
granted
planning
permission
and
housing
that's
under
construction
and
then
with
the
the
the
actual
yield
is,
is
put
into
into
our
into
our
planning
via
the
projection
system.
D
Can
I
just
shout
rather
than
can
I
just
come
back
on
that
little
bit,
because
it's
a
really
simple
question?
Are
the
schools
oversubscribed
and
the
indication
he
gave
was?
Yes,
they
are.
He
then
started
talking
about
birth
rates
going
down.
Anybody
thinks
that
birth
rates
are
not
going
to
rock
it
come
january
february.
D
This
year
is
forgetting
what
happened
when
people
were
stuck
in
the
room
together
for
long
periods
of
time
during
the
world
war,
and
so
I
I
I
and
then
when
people
came
home
again
and
I
find
it
flabbergasting
to
suggest
otherwise,
but
they
are
oversubscribed,
aren't
they
does.
C
The
schools
are
are
over
subscribed
because
the
because
parental
choice
allows
any
anybody
to
preference
any
school
they
wish,
but
there
are
sufficient
places
for
the
number
of
children
living
in
the
area.
C
Moving
on
then
yep,
so
moving
on
to
the
pupil
product
ratio,
which
is
the
the
the
way
that
we
estimate
the
number
of
children
that
a
new
housing
will
generate
on
on
initial
occupation
and
that
the
the
formula
that
we
use
for
primary
schools
is,
is
a
ratio
of
25
primary
age,
children
being
generated
by
every
100
to
2,
bedroom
or
more
properties.
C
The
the
the
the
formula
has
been
in
use
since
I
think
2001
and
is
detailed
in
in
supplementary
planning
guidance,
and
I
think
it's
spg
11.,
and
it's
that
that
I've.
I
think
I've
gone
through
this
before
in
other
any
other
plans
panels.
But
it
is
based
in
sort
of
empirical
research.
That's
been
carried
out
by
the
local
authority
and
and
by
cambridge
cambridgeshire
county
council.
So
it's
it's.
C
The
the
the
formula
hasn't
sort
of
come
from
from
nowhere
he's,
based
in
in
in
in
evidence,
that's
but
that's
been
drawn
from
yields
from
actual
housing
developments
across
the
country
and
it's
a
it's
a
formula,
that's
used
by
a
lot
of
local
authorities
and
we
we
have
tested
it
in
terms
of
looking
at
pupil
yields
from
housing
developments
completed
over
the
previous
10
years
in
leeds
and
and
it
does
come
out
roughly
on
average
right
across
across
the
board.
C
And
there
are
some
sort
of
anomalies
with
flats
where,
where
flats
tend
to
generate
less
less
children,
but
in
terms
of
housing,
it
does
sort
of
stand
up
to
scrutiny.
And
in
terms
of
this
development
we
we
did
look
at
two
sites
within
north
leeds.
C
A
large-scale,
a
large-scale
development
in
otley
and
a
large-scale
development
in
in
geisley
and
and
the
outcome
of
of
of
that
piece
of
analysis
was
that
the
the
the
garnets
mill
development
in
otley,
which
is
a
site
with
268
dwellings
that
has
yield,
yielded
an
average
of
17
primary
pupils
for
every
100
dwellings
occupied
and
in
terms
of
not
to
five-year-olds.
So
that's
the
cohorts
coming
through
in
school.
C
Over
the
next
few
years,
it's
yielded
19
not
to
five-year-olds,
for
every
100
dwellings
and
in
terms
of
the
netherfield
road
development
in
geisley
that
has
yielded
an
average
of
31
primary
age
pupils
for
every
100
dwellings
and
in
terms
of
the
not
to
five-year-olds
and
25
for
every
100
dwellings,
so
they're,
both
and
one
was
obviously
slightly
lower
than
the
than
the
pupil
ratio
that
we
use
and
one
is
slightly
higher
and
but
both
are
close
to
the
mark
in
terms
of
being
able
to
try
and
understand
what
what
might
be
generated
by
by
development.
C
I
do
appreciate
that
both
those
sites
contain
less
social
housing
and
mix
then
than
the
the
proposed
site,
but
that
that
that
isn't
a
factor
that
we
we
we
would
look
at.
We
would
only
really
look
at
the
number
of
units
to
be
constructed
and
the
and
the
the
size
of
those
properties
in
terms
of
numbers
of
bedroom.
C
So
that's
the
pupil
ratio
sort
of
background
information
in
terms
of
the
catchment
area,
the
the
proposed
development
does
sit
within
the
new
lives
primary
school
catchment
area.
However,
it
is
within
a
reasonable
distance
of
several
other
schools
in
horsforth,
so
it
would
be
for
families
living
on
that
development
that
we
do
recommend
that
they
preference
five
primary
schools
when
they're
applying
for
a
school
place
for
their
child.
So
there
would
be
a
number
of
of
schools
within
within
a
reasonable
distance.
C
Obviously,
the
the
any
increase
in
in
in
children
yielded
as
a
result
of
the
development
and
would
add
to
the
numbers
overall
within
the
new
life's
primary
school
catchment
area,
and
what
we
would
do
is
is
look
to
monitor
the
overall
numbers
of
within
the
horse
planning
area,
but
also
looking
at
a
more
localized
area
level.
C
If
we,
if
it
was
deemed
that
there
was
a
a
level
of
pressure
increasing
around
new
lives
and
it
became
apparent
that
additional
places
were
required,
then
we
would
look
to
to
the
option
that
is
within
the
site
allocation
plan
to
acquire
land
to
enable
the
expansion
of
new
lives
primary
school
alongside
any
other
potential
options
that
are
available.
C
And
at
that
point
when,
if
that,
if
that
point
is
if
that
time
is
reached,
where
that
that's
deemed
to
be
the
the
the
the
only
way
to
manage
demand
in
the
area,
then
we
would
look
to
try
and
bring
forward
that
scheme
within
a
reasonable
time
to
be
able
to
go
through
the
required
public
consultation
and
and
build
scheme
to
have
those
places
in
place.
C
A
Can
I
stop
you
there?
I
think
you've
provided
enough
information
and
there
seems
to
be
enough
checks
and
balances
within
the
system.
Can
I
move
on
to
tony
then
regarding
design
workshop
local
members?
Yes,.
E
Thank
you,
chad.
I
think
I've
been
in
had
a
number
of
meetings
over
the
years,
starting,
I
think
it's
at
least
2015..
A
E
Sorry
yeah
what
I
think
I
think,
I'm
sorry
yeah
I
didn't
want
to
to
to
particularly
go
there.
I
I
think,
what
I'm,
what
I'm
trying
to
say
to
in
in
response
to
council
cohen's
question
is
that
I
certainly
couldn't
claim
the
board
members
are
signed
up
to
the
the
architecture
of
these
properties.
No,
so
I
couldn't.
I
couldn't
claim
that.
D
E
I
don't
recall
that
the
members,
the
specific
design
workshop-
the
answer
is
no,
but
have
we
discussed
the
the
development
generally
with
world
members?
Then?
Yes,
on
a
number
of
occasions
and
the
answer
to
the
question
of
world
members
being
specifically
involved
in
the
architecture
of
the
dwellings,
then
the
answer
is:
is
no.
A
E
A
The
third
question
was
green
belt
and
affordable
homes.
Who's
going
to
deal
with
that,
martin
or
yourself.
E
The
point
we
will
get
stressing
here
is
that
we're
not
relying
on
very
special
circumstances
argument
here
in
terms
of
why
we're
recommending
approval
to
houses
in
the
green
belt,
we're
relying
on
paragraph
145
g
of
the
mppf,
which
sets
a
different
bar
for
affordable,
specifically,
affordable
houses
of
substantial
harm,
and
that
and
that's
the
case
that
we're
making
we're
not
relying
on
on
saying
it's
a
very
special
case
at
all.
We're
saying
it
meets
the
tests
for
an
exception
to
the
presumption
against
inappropriate
development
in
the
green
belt.
A
I
think
that's
a
clear
one.
Thank
you.
That
brings
us
on
to
comments,
but
can
I
ask
for
a
five
minute
comfort
break
at
this
stage?
Please
thank.
A
A
A
Okay,
I've
noticed
that
richard
marsh
is
back,
so
he
might
be
able
to
address
counselor
once
word
question:
are
you
aware
of
the
question
or
shall
we
ask
again.
O
Oh
super,
that's
great,
I'm
not
sure
what
was
going
on
earlier.
The
question
earlier,
I
think,
was
regarding
the
number
of
trees.
Wasn't
it.
O
Planted
yep:
well,
it's
a
challenge
because
all
along
I've
been
proactively
involved
in
this
site
to
try
and
protect
the
grassland
area
to
the
south,
because
it
is
really
good
quality
meadow
species-rich
grassland
that
is
deteriorating
due
to
lack
of
management
at
the
moment.
O
So
it's
an
area
that
we
don't
want
to
turn
into
woodland,
although
it's
right
next
to
ancient
woodland,
it's
more
biodiverse
because
of
the
grassland
value.
So
there
are
some
trees
proposed
down
in
some
of
that
southern
area,
but
I
wouldn't
like
people
to
think
that
that's
where
all
the
trees
are
going
to
go.
O
So
it
is
a
difficult
one
on
this
site
because
they're
having
to
be
concentrated
in
other
areas
like
the
southeast
portion
of
that
southern
area,
which
is
already
scrub
and
elsewhere
in
the
northern
parts
of
the
site.
So
it
is
definitely
a
difficult
one
but
yeah
from
a
biodiversity
point
of
view.
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
really,
but
just
everyone
be
reassured.
O
I
have
been
heavily
involved
with
this
one
negotiated
very
closely
with
the
applicant,
and
this
is
a
scheme
that
I
do
feel
comfortable
with
from
a
biodiversity
point
of
view,
and
it
is
important
we
get
some
positive
management
in
that
southern
area.
H
Is
that
all
right
paul
well?
Well,
I,
I
least
of
anyone,
want
to
delay
things
absolutely,
but
where
are
these
trees
going
then,
if
they're
not
going
to
go
all
down
there
and
is
there
a
plan
for
them
because
it
comes
to
moving
on?
I
guess
the
comments.
This
isn't
a
planned
thing
is
it.
This
is
just
cobbled
together
if
we
don't
know
where
they're
going
so
particularly
knows
where
these
trees
are
going,
as
he
can
tell
me
where
they're
not
going.
O
Okay,
okay,
richard
yeah,
I
mean
to
be
honest:
I'm
not
the
one
who's
been
looking
at
where
all
the
trees
have
been
going.
So
I
wonder
if
that's
one
that
would
bring
in
the
applicant
at
some
point
when
we
get
to
that
stage.
A
I
I'm
reluctant
to
bring
in
the
applicant
because
we
still
have
some
objectives
here.
You
know
I
we
we
could
open
another
debate
and
I
don't
think
it's
a
time
for
it.
A
Okay,
but
can
I
ask
chad,
can
I
come
in?
Yes.
H
H
Yeah
there
is
a
condition
to
control
the
detailed
landscaping
and
planting
and
management,
and
there
are
spaces
in
the
rest
of
the
site.
Members
from
the
layout
plan
can
see
that
there's
sufficient
opportunity,
both
in
in
the
heart
of
the
site
and
along
the
perimeters
away
from
this
southern
area,
which
is
being
retained
more
as
grassland
for
his
biodiversity
value,
and
I
think
richard
if
you
can
just
confirm
that,
there's
sufficient
opportunity
within
the
site
for
the
planting
to
take
place.
And
then
the
intention
is
to
control
the
details
through
the
condition.
O
It
should
yes,
I
can.
Yes,
I
can
do
that
algae.
Yes,
I
mean
all
along
we've,
been
looking
to
make
sure
we
can
get
enough
biodiversity
and
that
there
is
the
room
for
those
trees
so
overall
across
the
site.
Yes,
that
is
the
case
algae.
Yes,
we
just
haven't
fine-tuned
exactly
where
that
level
of
detail
is
happening,
but
there
is
sufficient
room.
Yes,.
A
Thank
you.
Moving
on
to
comments.
I
have
another
number
of
hands
gone
up.
Shall
I
call
councillor
peter
groon?
First.
A
L
G
A
G
Care
am
I
continuing?
Yes,
please,
yes,
okay,
so
with
our
comments,
and
I
wanted
to
start
by
thanking
you
for
how
well
you've
chaired
this
meeting,
it's
difficult
doing
it
in
this
way,
but
I
think
it's
been
an
extraordinary,
informative
and
and
useful
meeting,
and
I've
also
wanted
to
thank
tony
clegg
for
his
presentation,
which
I
thought
was
very
comprehensive.
G
Having
said
all
of
that,
we
know
the
site.
Well,
we
know
that
it
has
buildings
on
it
already,
which
are
now
disused
and
therefore
the
site
has
had
a
previous
life,
and
it
is
my
considered
view
over
many
years
of
development
plans,
panel,
etc
that
in
principle,
this
site
is
developable
and
it
qualifies
for
development.
G
G
G
So
there
are
other
questions
I
could
address,
but
I
think
those
are
the
key
issues.
G
I
do
not
think
I
can
support
this
scheme,
nor
do
I
think
I
want
it
to
be
deferred
and
delegated,
because
it
is
so
far
away
from
where
I
wanted
to
be
in
terms
of
quality
of
housing
that
I
actually
would
want
to
see
come
back
for
further
consideration
on
those
points,
I'm
very
much
aware
that
you
don't
want
to
have
the
whole
debate
again.
So
if
we
were
to
agree
the
principle
of
development
but
subject
to
those
comments
I
and
others
will
make.
Then
I
hope
we
can
come
back
and
I
hope
that's
helpful.
A
A
Okay,
I
still
see
hands
up
so
I'll
bring
you
in.
If
you
oppose
that
recommendation
on
second
by
council
khan,
does
anybody
want
to
speak
against
our
recommendation?
Yes,
sure,
council
can't
please.
D
I
find
lots
of
what
counselor
grew
and
said
attractive
in
the
I
sound
like
a
me
cheeky
to
a
senior
member,
so
I
don't
mean
to,
but
I
think
it's
taking
respectfully
an
easy
way
out
and
I'll
try
and
explain
why.
D
I
think
the
school
places
that
have
been
raised
are
a
major
issue.
I
absolutely
share
the
view
that
council
agreement
has
mentioned
in
terms
of
the
the
designers
being
utterly
atrocious,
but
actually,
for
me,
councillor
nash,
very
early
on,
I
think
made
for
me,
probably
the
most
important
point,
if
I'm
really
honest
and
she
asked
the
question
actually
why
why
are
we
having
this
conversation?
D
D
I
would
argue
it
isn't
and
I'll
explain
why
this
land
has
been
taken.
This
site
has
been
taken
out
of
the
sap
by
a
high
court
judge
and
put
back
into
greenbelt.
It
is
not
an
allocated
site.
It's
been
made
very
clear
to
us.
It
is
not
an
allocated
site
nor
to
be
treated
as
such.
It
is
green
belt
land
to
be
afforded
the
protection
of
green
belt
land
and,
for
me,
colleagues,
are
one
of
our
main
duties
in
plans.
D
Battle
is
to
act
as
guardians
of
green
belt
land
and
for
me,
a
huge
amount
of
the
report
before
us
is
an
attempt
to
fit
a
square
peg
into
a
round
hole,
regularly
harking
back
to
inappropriate
and
inaccurate
times
when
this
did
form
part
of
the
site
allocation
plan.
It's
not
been
helpful
to
me
to
keep
referring
so
stridently
to
it.
The
site
is
unequivocally
a
greenbelt
site
and
I
don't
agree
that
there
isn't
cert
that
there
isn't
substantial
harm
to
openness.
D
Looking
at
the
site,
quite
the
opposite,
in
fact,
council
nash
mentions
she
knows
the
site.
Well,
I
know
the
site
well,
it
is
if
we
were
to
be
able
to
have
visited
this
site,
which
we
normally
would
in
a
case
like
this.
You
would
see
this
is
the
countryside
it
really.
This
is
not.
You
know
an
urban
build.
It's.
A
A
D
But
can
I
explain
why?
Because
officers
made
points
in
the
report,
that
are
our
questions
of
fact,
and
I
want
to
challenge
them.
They're,
not
questions,
but
they
are
statements
that
I
am
making
that
I
want
colleagues
to
look
at
and
put
weight
where
they
feel
appropriate
and
it's
a
this
is
the
major
development
chair
in
fairness
and
it's
a
and,
as
the
report
says
itself,
it
goes
beyond
the
policy
gb7.
D
D
So
that's
why
I'm
making
this
point
because
huge,
essentially,
a
huge
effort
is
being
made
to
squeeze
this
development
into
the
definition
of
previously
developed
land
officers
refer
to
a
case
a
legal
case
in
the
report
that
case
directly
says
it
is
a
question
of
fact
on
each
individual
case.
D
And
finally,
then
they,
as
I
say
explicitly,
say-
and
we
accept
we're
going
way
beyond
the
scope-
we're
going
beyond
the
scope
of
the
policy
that
this
might
apply
under
in
any
event.
In
other
words,
this
is
green
belt
land
and
we
are
squeezing
and
doing
mental
gymnastics
to
try
to
make
something
fit
something
it
ought
not
fit,
and
that's
why
I
move
that
we
refuse
okay.
M
H
I'll
I'll
just
make
very
very
brief
points
of
what
I've
written
down
over
the
last
two
and
a
half
hours
of
this.
Listening
to
this,
it
is
building
in
the
green
belt
and
I
think
officers
know
it's
building
in
the
green
belt
and
they're
just
trying
to
hang
themselves
on
one
particular
paragraph
and
I'm
afraid
it
isn't
good
enough.
It's
been
put
back
in
the
green
belt.
H
The
layout
is
very,
very
poor,
and
yet
again,
officers
are
hanging
themselves
on
leave
it
with
us
and
we
can
get
it
changed
while
members
have
not
been
involved
in
the
design
or
the
layout
and
other
members
have
commented
on
that.
The
highway
work
says
absolutely
nothing
to
mitigate
the
traffic.
The
highways
officer
accepts,
there
will
be
more
traffic,
but
nothing
at
the
junction
most
needed
is
to
mitigate
it.
H
There
is
money
to
spend
on
highway
works
which
we're
already
spending
on
on
the
two
roundabouts
which
we
should
have
spent
on
in
the
first
place,
but
we
failed
to
do
so
and
there's
no
plan
for
trees,
I'm
being
told
we'll
find
somewhere
for
these
trees.
But
we
don't
know
where
they're
going
at
the
moment.
We
should
throw
this
out
and
say:
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
start
again
and
our
second
counselor
cohen's.
Thank.
A
You
okay,
so
we
have
peter's
suggestion
deferring
it's
a
clear,
sorry
liz.
I.
M
Yeah
I'd
just
like
to
clarify
what
what
I
I
said,
I
didn't
say
that
it's
green
belt
and
therefore
we
can't
build
there,
and
I
should
just
like
to
point
out
that
we
turned
down
applications
on
the
other
side
of
broadway
on
calvary
lane
for
the
for
the
estate
built
there.
It
was
green
belt,
the
council
turned
it
down
and
I'm
sorry
councillor
cohen,
but
your
government
inspector
allowed
it.
So
you
know
greenbelt,
isn't
the
the
be
all
and
everything,
but
I
do
feel
I
have
to
say
this.
M
I
do
feel
that
the
developers,
and
indeed
some
of
our
officers,
have
taken
this
panel
for
granted.
We're
not
satisfied
with
what
has
been
put
before
us.
So
I'd
just
like
to
make
that
quite
clear.
A
Thank
you
for
that
back
to
where
we
are
clearly.
Members
are
not
minded
to
support
the
officer's
recommendation
at
this
time,
so
we
can
park
that
one
council
groom
has
suggested
an
alternative.
Would
you
like
to
make
that
suggestion
again,
peter
just
to
be
clear.
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
propose
that
we
accept
the
principle
of
development
here,
but
that
we
ask
officers
and
the
developer
to
redesign
on
a
grand
scale
what
has
been
put
before
us
so
far
and
we're
not
satisfied
with
design
quality
layout
and
that
when
those
improvements
have
been
made,
the
the
project
comes
back
to
panel.
A
Thank
you
peter,
and
that's
been
seconded
by
council
khan
dan
before
I
go
to
walt.
Do
you
want
to
be
clear
on
your
your
proposal.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Peter's
resolution
was
put
first,
so
I
shall
take
that
first
and
I
will
need
to
go
around
every
member
and
ask
them
how
they're
voting
on
that.
So
I'll
do
an
alphabetical
order.
If
I
may,
starting
with
council
blackburn
council
blackburn,
are
you
for
against
startup
staying.
A
Councillor
dan
cohn
against
chair
councillor,
al
gathwaite.
M
A
Counselor
paul
wadswood
against
chair
councillor,
paul
paul
ray.
A
A
A
Looking
down
the
list
to
see,
is
he
still
with
us?
He
didn't
say
he
was
gone
and
he
usually
does.
H
Charlie,
if
I
can
come
in
here,
counselor
campbell
doesn't
seem
to
be
still
with
us
in
terms
of
the
vote.
Yes,
eight
people
voted
for
the
motion
and
clearly
we
haven't
got.
A
D
J
Yes
correctly,
can
I
just
come
in?
Can
you
hear
me
sorry.
A
Okay,
starting
with
council
blackburn,
even
further
yep
councillor
campbell's,
not
present
councillor
peter
carlo.
A
H
A
And
myself
against
also.
A
I
believe
that
is
the
same
result.
Is
it
eight
four?
It
is
j4.
Okay,
thank
you.
Can
I
ask
the
lead
officer
dolce
singh
to
sum
up
and
reflect
on
the
debate
please
at
this
stage.
H
Thank
you
chair,
there's,
been
significant
questions
asked
and
and
comments
about
a
number
of
aspects,
but
I
think
a
number
of
members
have
expressed
considerable
disquiet
about
the
architectural
quality
and
design
quality
of
the
development.
A
Thank
you
indulge
it
church.
F
Now
that
we've
had
the
vote,
I
would
like
to
be
allowed
to
leave
the
meeting
for
another
meeting.
Please
is
that
accelerable.
A
You
well
that
con
concludes
our
meeting,
just
to
remind
that.
We
have
another
meeting
on
thursday,
the
22nd
of
october,
to
come
around
fast.
Only
and
thank
you
for
your
attendance
and
thank
you
for
the
debate.
It
was
very
interesting,
a
new
direction
for
all
of
us,
but
it's
been
handled
in
a
very
professional
way.
So
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
will
now
ask
john
to
close
down
the
webcam
and
we'll
close
the
meeting.