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A
Great
excellent
welcome
everybody
to
the
development
plan
panel.
My
name
is
councilman
walsh,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
panel,
so
I've
got
a
bit
of
a
preamble
to
do
as
per
normal
in
these
regulated
time.
So
just
I'll
just
quickly
run
through
that
and
we'll
do
some
introductions
folks
and
then
we'll
go
through
our
agenda
for
today.
A
So
we're
holding
this
meeting
in
a
way
that's
currently
secure
in
accordance
with
social
distancing
guidelines
that
everyone
is
presently
sat,
an
adequate
distance
apart
and
has
been
allocated
a
specific
seat,
the
90
minute
members,
the
90
minute
rule,
has
been
removed,
but
we
try
to
be
reasonably
concise
on
this
this
this
panel.
So
I
think
if
we
aim
for
90
minutes,
that
would
be
fantastic.
A
It's
an
interesting
agenda
today,
but
I
think
we've
covered
a
lot
of
this
before
and
it's
it's
an
update
and
a
refresh
and
then
afterwards,
after
the
meeting
formal,
proper
we've
got
a
workshop
on
session.
So
we
won't
be.
We
won't
be
we're
broadcasting
that
that's
a
workshop
for
members.
So
what
we
do
we'll
do
some
introductions.
A
E
A
I'm
very
warm
with
the
front
focus,
so
patient
observers
will
note
that
our
cameras
are
not
working
entirely
correctly
today.
So
all
we've
got
we,
although
everyone's
audio
will
be
heard,
all
we've
got
is
a
distance
shot
that
you
can
see
at
the
moment
on
the
monitors
I
mean
some
would
argue
that
it's
for
the
best.
Some
would
argue
it's
for
the
best.
So
you
know
if
you've
been
prepping
for
your
close-ups,
I'm
afraid
it's
not
this
meeting.
I'm
really
sorry
about
that.
H
Thanks,
chad,
apologies.
You
won't
be
able
to
see
me
at
all
on
the
cameras,
so
I'm
just
saying
so
under
gender
item.
One
there's
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents,
agenda
item
two
there's
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
in
public,
a
gender
item.
Three
there's
no
formal
alert
items
today,
a
gender
item.
Four!
Please
can
I
ask
members
to
declare
any
interest.
A
Thank
you
very
much
right
folks.
If
you
want
to
turn
to
page
five
and
that's
the
minutes
of
our
last
meeting,
so
I'm
not
proposing
to
go
through
them
page
by
page,
but
it's
a
meeting
held
on
the
6th
of
july
2021.
A
If
members
can
have
a
look
at
them,
I
presume
you've
read
them
already.
If
there's
are
there
any
matters
arising
in
somebody?
Are
these
a
true
record,
so
council
brooks.
E
J
Yeah
thanks
councillor
brooks
that's
still
in
preparation
and
the
intent
is
that
will
the
intent
was
that
it
went
to
executive
board
in
september
and
came
to
development
plan
panel.
First,
it's
been
knocked
back
a
cycle.
J
I
understand
it's
now
going
to
executive
board
in
november,
so
it
will
still
come
to
development
plan
panel
at
the
appropriate
occasion,
but
there's
just
been
a
delay
in
it
around.
So
I
think,
broadly,
the
delays
around
ensuring
that
there's
full
consultation
with
all
of
the
registered
providers
across
the
city
to
to
ensure
that
it's
a
consistent,
co-produced
document.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
on
just
thinking
on
page
seven
we
were
discussing
biodiversity.
Penultimate
paragraph
are
we,
there
was
a
is.
Am
I
right
remembering
correctly
there's
a
funny
bit
to
natural
england
that
we
were
going
to
put
in?
Has
there
been
any
progress
on
that.
J
So
the
there's
there's
two
potential
sources
of
funding
for
biodiversity
net
gain
one
comes
through
new
burdens,
funding
which
we
understand
may
be
applicable
to
the
environment
bill,
but
I
think,
because
that
environment
bill
hasn't
been
enacted.
Yet
we
still
don't
have
any
clarity
on
that.
The
second
is
around
potential
funding
from
that
children
for
various
pots
of
money,
but
further
clarity
isn't
available
on
that
at
the
moment.
J
A
Thanks
for
that
right,
any
other
matters
arising
not
seeing
any
indications.
Can
somebody
move
the
minutes
as
a
true
record
indication
of
council
group
councilor
brooks
thank
you
right.
So,
turning
to
page
11
agenda
item
7,
this
is
our
local
plan
update
with
the
on
the
consultation.
It's
your
neighborhood,
your
city
or
planet,
which
is
an
excellent
tagline.
So,
martin
over
to
you.
J
Yeah
thank
thanks
chair.
I
will
actually
invite
ian
mckay
to
to
present
this
paper.
He's
he's
been
closely
involved
with
the
the
consultation
on
the
local
plan,
update.
G
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you,
martin.
This
consultation
has
been
around
your
city,
your
neighborhood,
your
planet,
as
has
just
been
mentioned,
I
think
that's
really
helped
us
to
connect
with
people.
G
Actually,
that's
certainly
my
experience
and
the
experience
of
others
who
have
been
working
on
this
consultation,
I'm
going
to
briefly
cover
three
things
in
this
presentation:
I'm
going
to
talk
about
what
we've
been
doing,
how
we're
doing
it
and
how
it's
going
and
just
to
know
a
consideration
of
the
representations
and
the
responses
will
take
place
at
dpp
in
november.
G
I
think
it's
november
that
we're
coming
back
with
the
full
report
so
in
terms
of
what
we've
been
doing
as
set
out
in
paragraph
one.
What
we
are
doing
is
guided
by
and
made
possible
by
the
interim
sci,
which
allows
us
to
consult
online
whilst
covered
rates
are
high,
but
to
do
so
while
being
open
and
inclusive.
G
This
is
actually
quite
a
tricky
balance
to
get
right
at
the
present
time
when
we
come
to
consult
on
the
draft
plan,
the
expectation
that
we
will
be
in
a
sense
getting
our
hands
dirty,
at
least
I
hope
so
and
when
we
come
to
consulting
the
draft
plan-
and
it
won't
be
exclusively
online
and
it'll,
be
more
face-to-face
meetings
and-
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
being
the
case,
because
I
I
personally
quite
enjoy
doing
that.
G
As
you
know,
it's
an
eight-week
consultation
started
on
the
18th
of
july
and
it's
only
got
a
few
more
days
left
actually
finishing
on
the
third
thirteenth,
as
set
out
in
paragraph
eight
of
the
report.
There
are
five
themes
or
or
indeed,
topics
of
the
consultation,
and
I
think
that's
helped
to
break
down
what
can
be
fairly
challenging
matters
for
most
people
and
allowed
people
to
pick
and
choose
how
they
wish
to
take
part-
and
experience
so
far
has
suggested.
G
That's
been
quite
an
important
aspect,
but
also
this
is
a
consultation
that
has
a
particular
tone
and
it's
important
to
get
that
tone
right
in
a
scoping
consultation,
and
I
think
we've
got
that
balance
just
right,
and
by
that
I
mean
it's
a
a
tone
which
is
exploratory.
G
It's
posing
questions
and
it's
in
talking
in
terms
of
ideas
rather
than
firm
proposals
and,
most
importantly,
it's
a
listening
tone
and
I
think
that's
incredibly
important.
G
But
at
the
same
time,
of
course,
providing
leadership
given
the
importance
and
the
urgency
of
the
climate
challenge
that
we're
all
facing,
so
that
balance
again,
I
think
we've
got
right,
but
also
the
consultation
that
we've
undertaken
is
providing
choice,
and
I
think
choice
is
incredibly
important
and
too
often
underestimated
when,
when
consulting
so
for
those
people
who
are
familiar
with
the
issues
and
and
in
fact,
may
well
be
experts
on
some
of
the
issues,
I
think
the
consultation
has
been
meaningful.
G
But
for
those
people
who,
where
climate
change
may
be
something
that
they
know
about
they've
read
about,
but
they
can't
quite
connect
that
to
perhaps
planning
then
I
think,
there's
still
something
very
much
worthwhile
to
engage
on.
So
I
think
it's
been
accessible
and
meaningful
for
for
all,
as
can
as
can
be
achieved
online.
G
G
We've
been
having
weekly
meetings
every
friday
morning,
in
fact,
reflecting
on
how
things
are
going
and
making
changes
as
needed.
So,
for
example,
in
terms
of
social
media,
reach
which
postcards
in
the
city
are
responding
to
what
we're
doing,
which
are
not
responding
so
well
and
making
some
tweaks
as
we
go,
and
I
think
that's
that's
quite
exciting,
actually
in
terms
of
how
we
do
things-
and
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
lessons
to
be
learned
from
colleagues
working
in
it
on
how
we
can
work
more
closely
together
in
the
future.
G
So
how
does
all
this
translate
into
practice?
Although
it's
an
online
consultation,
the
material
has
been
available
in
all
formats,
in
libraries
in
marion
house
and,
of
course,
we've
offered
a
telephone
consultation
service
as
well.
We've
promoted
the
consultation
using
a
variety
of
social
media
as
well
as
more
traditional
means
as
well.
I
mean
there's
posters
in
the
city
center.
G
There
isn't
posters
in
every
part
of
leeds.
I
have
to
say
I
think
that
is
often
the
challenge.
It's
not
so
much
putting
the
posters
up,
but
it's
about
taking
them
down
that
can
be,
can
be
a
bit
of
an
issue,
but
we've
tried,
I
think
what
we.
What
you
could
describe
is
that
we've
tried
a
number
of
different
techniques
in
this.
In
this
consultation,
paragraph
10
summarizes
what
we
have
done
on
online,
which
is
a
wide
range
of
events
involving
all
stakeholders.
G
Now,
that's
via
obviously
the
dedicated
web
page.
We
have
for
the
consultation,
webinars
pre-recorded
presentations,
but
it's
really
important
and
I'm
really
conscious
that
as
good
as
some
of
these
have
been,
we
must
not
leave
others
behind,
and
I
think
that
is
another
thing
that
has
become
an
issue
during
this
particular
consultation
and
we
have
stepped
in
where
we've
been
asked
to
do
so
to
help
out
those
people
who
are
perhaps
struggling
and
just
a
word
about
targeting
that's
targeting
in
specific
areas.
G
So
we've
tried
to
target
some
of
the
inner
city
communities,
for
example
working
with
planning
aid.
England,
I
have
to
say
that's
with
mixed
success.
That's
been
a
particular
challenge.
We've
done
some
targeting
with
particular
groups.
I
think
a
highlight
for
me
would
be
the
work
that
we've
done
with
children.
Services
on
young
people
fantastically
successful
workshop
there
and
I'm
really
quite
proud
of
how
that
turned
out.
G
But
that's
not
to
say
all
of
the
targeting
has
been
successful
because
it
hasn't
targeting
by
its
very
nature
is
a
is
quite
a
challenging
thing
to
do
especially
online.
So
in
terms
of
how,
how
is
all
of
this
gone,
what
have
we
actually
achieved
during
this
consultation?
In
a
word,
that's
been
fairly
mixed.
G
To
be
honest,
we
haven't
had
the
number
of
reps
representations
that
we
would
like,
but
experience
suggests
that
we
will
get
much
more
in
the
closing
days
of
the
consultation
quite
often
than
in
the
final
few
hours
of
the
consultation
we've
received.
G
300
plus
summary
sheets
have
been
completed,
80
plus
topic
paper
questionnaires
have
been
completed,
but-
and
this
is
really
interesting,
as
many
again
are
part
completed
now.
The
hope
is
that
those
people
who
have
part
completed
those
those
forms
will
come
back,
of
course,
before
the
end
of
the
consultation
and
finish
them
off.
So
if
that
does
happen,
then
that's
quite
a
healthy
response.
G
I
think,
although
the
numbers
are
lower
than
we
would
like,
the
good
news
is
that
the
consultation
is
reaching
far
and
wider
social
media
hits
and
advertising,
and
in
terms
of
that,
reach
the
it's
it's
fairly.
It's
fairly
good
with
the
limited
budget
that
we've
had.
I
think
we've
squeezed
the
maximum
out
of
out
of
that
budget
and
reached
a
fairly
wide
audience
across
the
city.
G
So
some
of
the
some
of
the
statistics
relating
to
that
is
that
when
people
have
heard
about
the
consultation
and
then
they've
decided
to
go
onto
the
website,
they've
been
spending
anything
from
three
minutes
to
eight
or
nine
minutes
on
each
of
the
topic
papers,
or
indeed
the
summary
sheets,
which
is
far
higher
than
most
users
spend
on
the
council's
other
web
pages.
G
And
I
think
that's
that's
really
interesting,
but
we've
also
had
over
6
000
unique,
paid
page
views
as
well
and
a
good
level
of
interest
in
all
of
the
topic
areas,
but,
as
you
would
expect,
some
topic
areas
are
more
popular
than
others.
G
Another
target
in
terms
of
this
consultation
is
making
sure
as
far
as
we
possibly
can,
that
we've
heard
something
from
every
single
postcode
in
the
city
and
so
far
we've
done
that
the
numbers
again
are
not
as
good
as
we
would
like.
You
know
some
postcodes,
the
response
has
been
fairly
low,
but
we've
had
a
response,
but
every
every
area
has
actually
responded.
G
So
I
just
want
to
make
two
reflections
before
I
before
I
close,
I
think
one
of
them
is
is
on
the
numbers
and,
whilst
we
might
might
not
have
had
the
numbers
that
we
would
like,
it's
hoped
that
the
quality
of
the
responses
will
make
up
for
that
now.
G
We
don't
know
that
yet,
and
obviously
I'll
come
back
in
november
and
report
on
that,
but
in
terms
of
quality,
what
I
mean
by
quality
is,
of
course
we
want
endorsement
for
what
we
are
trying
to
achieve,
but
equally
what
we
want
constructive
challenge
as
well
and
ideally-
and
this
would
be
fantastic.
If
this
happens,
we
have
some
new
ideas
coming
forward,
which
could
actually
be
recognized
in
the
final
draft
plan.
Now
that
would
be
a
win-win-win
situation.
G
G
A
No
thanks
for
that,
you
know
I'd,
say
a
good,
detailed
and
forthright
appraisal.
I
appreciate
that
very
much
so
I
think
yeah.
I
think
you're
right,
I
think,
there'll
be
a
rush
towards
the
end,
but
and
I'm
too
I'm
hoping
that
there's
a
lot
of
good
new
ideas
coming
forward
as
well.
Certainly,
I
know
well
quite
a
few
people.
I
know
in
this.
If
you
like,
the,
if
you
like
the
climate
aware
ecosystem
of
people
in
leads,
are
currently
doing
consultation
responses,
so
I
think
there'll
be
some
coming
in.
A
So
I've
got
a
couple
of
councils
who
want
to
question
our
speakers.
So
council,
college
and
council
anderson.
D
Thank
you,
chair
and
ian.
Why
are
we
still
on
the
interim
statement
of
community
involvement
which,
which
I
understand
is
quite
a
short
document
when
the
the
final
proper
document,
the
statement
of
community
involvement
is
just
on
the
horizon
and,
I
believe,
is
late
for
release,
and
so
that's
my
first
question
and
the
second
one
is:
if
we
do
have
a
full
document
statement
of
community
involvement
on
the
horizon.
G
I
think,
if
I
remember
correctly,
the
interim
sei
was
adopted
at
this
panel
in
december
and,
of
course,
that
was
that
was
adopted
to
allow
us
to
undertake
plan
making
activity
during
the
covet
pandemic
and
basically
in
a
nutshell,
it
means
that
we
can
continue
with
the
work
that
we're
doing
online.
G
That's
the
me,
that's
the
main
rate
and
that's
the
main
reason,
but
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
difference,
apart
from
going
out
and
as
I
said
earlier
in
the
presentation,
getting
your
hands
dirty,
everything
else
is
pretty
much
the
same
and
we
are
looking
to
come
back
fairly
soon
to
this
panel
with
the
full
sci.
D
So
can
you
just
confirm
then,
so
so
the
missing
elements
that
you're
going
through
at
the
moment,
compared
to
what
the
full
sci
will
be,
the
missing
elements
are
down
to
the
fact
that
we've
been
limited
because
of
code.
Are
they.
G
Correct,
that's
that's
the
main,
that's
the
main
reason
yeah
I
mean.
I
don't
think
I
think
I
mean
we're
still
doing
a
lot
of
things
in
this
consultation
that
we,
you
know
we're
doing
more
than
we
need
to
do.
For
example,
we've
done
eight
weeks
of
consultation
rather
than
six.
So
it's
not
that
we're
limiting.
G
I
think,
we're
being
smarter,
I
think
we're
being
more
creative
and
I
think
we're
being
reflective
as
well
and-
and
I
think,
as
I
said
during
the
presentation,
I
think
I
think
the
thing
that's
most
notable
in
this
consultation
is
the
tone
and
I
think
it's
the
tone.
That's
perhaps
the
most
important
thing,
especially
given
the
the
topic
that
we
are
consulting
on,
but
we
will
be
back
there
is.
G
There
is,
as
I
say,
a
full
document
waiting
in
the
wings
and,
as
I'm
sure
that
most
people
would
say
we
can
have
the
words
in
the
sci
that
are
saying
all
of
the
right
things.
But
what
really
matters
is
action
and
what
we're
actually
doing-
and
I
think
in
terms
of
action
and
what
we're
actually
doing,
we've
demonstrated
in
the
past
few
weeks
that
we
are
doing
the
right
things.
As
far
as
we
possibly
can
under
the
restrictions
that
we
that
we're
placed
with.
A
I
Anderson
right,
a
number
of
comments
start
off
with
a
positive
on
one
of
the
sickles
who
attended
the
webinars
and
attended
more.
I
think.
As
far
as
I
am
aware,
the
timings
were
good.
You
know
the
ones
that
were
on
during
the
day
and
at
night.
I
think
that
did
work.
Okay,
there
wasn't
great
attendance,
but
what
I
would
say
is
that
the
quality
of
the
presentations
without
exception
were
actually
very
good
in
all
cases,
and
in
some
cases
I
even
emailed
back
the
relevant
person
to
point
out
that
it
was
well
presented.
I
So
from
that
point
of
view,
I
think
we
got
it
right.
You
know
in
terms
of
the
quality
of
the
presentations
on
the
more
negative
side.
I
don't
understand
like
a
broken
record,
but
I
did
ask
prior
to.
Could
you
send
me
the
materials
and
could
you
send
me
the
presentation
notes
so
that
I
can
go
out
and
do
some
work
in
my
area?
I
I
I
would
have
thought,
though,
that
when
we
saw
that
the
weather
was
actually
quite
good,
why
could
we
not
come
up
with
an
alternative
flexibility
and
take
some
officers
out
outside
of
some
some
of
the
supermarkets
to
stand
out
there
and
explain
to
people
about
it
standing
outside?
So
there
was
no
need
to
go
inside,
so
there
was
nobody
being
put
at
risk.
You
know
when
the
weather
was
coming
good.
Why
did
we
not
utilize
that
time
to
actually
go
out
and
do
something
and
try
and
generate
more
people
back
again?
I
It
might
have
been
better
if
we'd
been
able
to
engineer
some
sort
of
social
media
debates
on
some
of
the
issues
to
actually
stimulate
it.
You
know
having
different
opinions
being
put
out
there
and
getting
a
debate
going
and
also
one
thing
I
personally
would
have
liked
is,
and
I
know
I
could
have
done
it
myself.
I
I
fully
accept
that
is
the
links
to
the
youtube
presentations,
the
webinars,
because
we
could
have
then
put
those
in
the
public
domain
to
see
if
people
would
bite
in
on
some
of
them
and
then
maybe
get
some
responses.
So
you
know
overall,
you
know
yes
could
have
been
done
better.
Yes,
I
think
everybody
would.
We
would
say
that
it
could
have
been
done
better,
but
hopefully,
as
well
as
being
critical.
I've
tried
to
give
positive
comments
where
necessary
and
also
some
suggestions
as
to
how
it
might
be
done
to
improve
in
the
future.
G
I
mean
I
think
these
are
all
good
points.
Actually
I
mean
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
supermarket
point
I
did
do
a
little
bit.
I
did
start
to
do
that,
but
maybe
I
started
to
do
that
too
early,
because
there
wasn't
a
great
deal
of
appetite
from
the
supermarkets
to
do
that
and
that,
coupled
with
officers
with
different
levels
of
covered
risk,
shall
I,
if
I
can
put
it
that
way
or
covet
sensitivity,
matching
those
two
things
up
together
is
actually
quite
a
challenge
to
do.
G
But
I
do
accept
a
broader
point
and
it's
certainly
something
that
when
we
come
to
consult
on
the
draft
document,
I
absolutely
agree.
I
mean
the
point
about
neighborhood
forums
and
the
sci
or
the
isci.
G
I'm
I'm
part
familiar
with
that,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
which
I'm
keen
to
do
is
to
and
we're
currently
drafting
this
and
it's
a
neighborhood
planning
protocol
about
how
the
four
neighborhood
planning
groups
engage
not
just
in
terms
of
the
sci
but
engage
with
planning
more
generally
and
it's
about
and
it's
a
bit
about
roles
and
responsibilities
that
actually
it's
not
just
about
what
the
service
does,
but
it's
actually
about
the
responsibilities
of
the
groups
too,
and
it's
supposed
to
be
a
constructive
document
that
we
prepare
together.
G
So
hopefully
some
of
those
concerns
might
actually
be
resolved
by
this
simple
document.
Actually,
so
I'm
hopeful.
So
perhaps
we
could
have
a
discussion
about
that
another
time
in
terms
of
the
social
media
debate.
I
I
I
I
personally,
I
don't
know
what
others
think,
but
I
agree
with
that
point.
I
I
agree
with
the
webinars.
G
I
thought
were
really
good
and
I
thought
the
presentations
were
really
good,
but
I
also
felt
that
perhaps
they
could
have
been
in
some
cases
a
little
bit
more
provocative
to
in
to
encourage
people
to
perhaps
get
involved
in
that
debate.
But
of
course
that's
the
challenge
in
itself.
Isn't
it
so
again,
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
that
is
something
that
I
I
did
actually
feel
myself,
but
but
that
that's
not
to
take
away
from
the
success
of
of
the
webinars,
which
I
thought
was
really
good.
G
I
just
wish
more
people
could
have
benefited
from
from
those
and
in
terms
of
the
youtube.
G
Channel,
I
think
one
of
the
lessons
to
be
learned
for,
for
the
next
stage
of
the
consultation
is
to
actually
promote
better
the
stuff
that
we've
got
because
we
have.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
good
stuff
and
I
don't
think
we
actually
promoted
all
of
that
as
well
as
we
as
we
could
have
done.
A
Yeah
thanks
for
ian,
I
think
social
media
debates
are
interesting
barry.
Perhaps
we
could
we
could.
We
could
block
out
some
diary
time
to
debate
on
twitter
with
tim,
holy
hat
and
loons
about
the
realities
of
climate
change,
but
no,
but
I
think
I
think
it's
an
interesting
idea
we'll
have
further
discussions
when
we
get
to
like
draft
policy
consultation,
because
that'll
be
interesting
to
see
what
people
come
back
with,
but
we've
got.
We've
got
to
find
a
sensible
and
structured
way
of
doing
that.
A
That
sort
of
is
a
genuine
discussions
about
what's
the
best
policy
going
forward
rather
than
us
wasting
our
time.
Talking
to
the
tinfoil
hat
brigade
who
think
climate
emergency
is
all
the
chinese
communist
plot,
because
I'm
not
wasting
my
time
debating
with
lunatics,
but
we
have.
We
do
need
a
way
to
take
that
forward.
I
agree.
Right
is
any
other
comments
by
all
means
by
all
means
is
that
councillor
brooks
and
then
councillor
hayden.
E
Thanks
chair
ian
on
on
page
12,
it
says
the
concerted
effort
will
be
made
in
the
closing
week
to
connect
with
and
hear
from
all
communities
across
the
city,
particularly
those
where
you've
identified
gaps.
Where
are
the
identified
gaps,
and
how
are
you
going
to
approach
that.
G
I
think
there's
a
number
of
gaps
there.
I
think
one
of
them
is
certainly
some
of
the
inner
city
communities,
I'm
probably
the
main
one.
We
did
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
into
working
with
planning
aid,
england
on
workshops
which
were
going
to
be
independently
chaired
for
inner
city
areas,
but
we
didn't
get
the
response
that
we
wanted
on
reflection
there.
I
think
the
reason
for
that
is
that
we
we
we're
not
proactive
enough
in.
G
I
think
it's
one
thing
sending
out
an
email
telling
people
that
this
event
is
taking
place,
but
that
really
needs
to
be
followed
up
by
a
phone
call
or
some
kind
of
personal
connection,
and
I
think
we
could
have.
We
could
have
done
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
more
there,
but
it's
mainly
with
inner
city
groups
in
particular.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
actually
had
a
meeting
with
planning
in
england
yesterday
morning
about
this
very
subject
and
there's
two
things
that
we're
looking
to
do.
G
One
of
them
is
to
not
do
an
event
with
individual
neighborhood
planning
groups
that
represent
inner
city
areas,
but
to
try
and
bring
them
together.
For
one
session
towards
the
end
of
the
year,
so
that
is
one
gap
and
to
make
it
not
exclusive
to
neighbor
to
neighborhood
planning
groups
to
make
it
open
to
others
to
join
as
well,
and
that
might
actually
have
the
added
benefit
of
getting
more
people
involved
in
neighborhood
planning.
You
never
know,
and
then
the
other
thing
is
with
young
people.
G
I
think
the
I
think
the
the
event
that
we
had
with
children's
services
was
fantastic,
but
in
terms
of
the
that
was
12
to
17
that
I
remember
correctly,
and
it
really
was
good.
But
in
terms
of
the
older
age
group,
I
think
that's
probably
the
area
of
the
consultation
that
was
the
weakest.
Surprisingly.
G
So
we
are
going
to
do
some
more
work
there
with
with
planning
aid
and
I'm
sure,
there's
other
things
that
we
can
do,
but
upon
reflecting
on
that
yesterday,
I
think
I
think
probably
the
situation
is
until
we
have
something
tangible
to
actually
consult
on
something
which
is
we're
proposing
to
do
this.
What
do
you
think?
I
think
some
groups
perhaps
find
it
hard
to
connect
with
ideas.
Some
people
are
some
people
are
better
with
ideas
than
others,
and
that's
my
that's
my
sense.
G
Once
we've
got
a
tangible
plan,
a
draft
plan
to
consult
on,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
easier
for
a
number
of
groups
to
to
be
involved.
E
Thanks
ian,
so
I
suppose
I
suppose
like
did
you,
did
you
run
anything
by
ward
members
for
recommendations
as
to
active
local
groups?
That
may
be
interested
in
this
kind
of
thing,
and
also
did
you
get
in
touch
with
educational
establishments,
colleges,
universities,
primary
schools
and
high
schools,
because
then
you'd
get
the
full
range
of
different
age
ranges
for
the
the
younger
demographic
plus.
We've
got
various
groups
for
like
older
people
in
the
inner
areas.
So
did
you
seek
any
advice
from
ward
members
as
to
how
to
approach
the
population.
G
I
wouldn't
quite
put
it
that
we
did
it
that
way.
What
we
did
is
we
in
certainly
in
terms
of
what
members
that
represent
inner
city
wards,
we
advised
them
what
was
taking
place
in
terms
of
the
webinars
and
other
things.
It
was
less
about
asking
for
advice
about
who
to
consult
or
how
to
consult
it
was
more
about.
This
is
what
we're
doing?
Could
you
promote
through
your
through
your
channels,
and
we
had
a
fairly
good
response
from
ward
members.
G
We
can
look
at
and
then
in
terms
of
education
we
probably
haven't
done
as
much
work
with
schools
as
I
would
have
liked-
and
I
think
timing
is
an
issue
there,
of
course,
but
I
think
we've
made
up
for
that
with
with
with
the
things
that
we
have
done
and
have
done
them
well
in
terms
of
education.
I
think
I
think
we've
been
pretty
good
in
that
respect.
I've
had
quite
good
engagement
with
leech
university
and
leech
becky
again.
G
The
issue
there
in
terms
of
having
something
coming
back
is
purely
one
of
timing,
but
but
leeds
beckett
have
a
couple
of
events
lined
up
for
the
early
part
of
this
month
with
some
of
the
new
students
and
I'm
hoping
that
will
reach
back
to
us
and
then
finally,
there
is
the
lead.
G
Student
forum
has
50
000
users,
and
we
have
we've
had
a
placement
student
with
us
for
a
short
period
of
time
and
he's
been
promoting
the
consultation
on
that
on
that
forum,
it's
difficult
to
judge
what
effect
that
has
had,
but
it
certainly
got
a
big
reach
that
that
particular
forum.
E
G
Have
to
check
who
that
was,
but
I
I
think
that
was
signed
probably
four
to
six
weeks
ago
and
I
think
it
would
have
been
more
than
one
we.
Certainly.
We
certainly
had
responses
from
some
inner
city
board
members
on
that,
so
it
has.
It's
clearly
is
clearly
gone
out
and
and
had
a
fair
bit
of
response
from,
for
example,
little
white
house,
neighborhood
forum
and
others
from
that
email,
so
I'll
check
and
I'll
I'll.
Let
you
know
yeah.
E
I
just
want
to
because
I
remember
about
the
meeting
when
we
discussed
this
first
and
council
brewing
and
myself
were
particularly
anxious
that
the
younger
population
were
consulted.
E
Obviously
it's
over
the
summer
holiday,
so
it's
been
difficult
to
get
into
schools,
but
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
for
the
excellent,
the
way
that
they
can
have
a
vice
council
has
been
and
the
webinar
that
sounds
like
it
went
extremely
well
so
and
they
represent
other
young
people.
There
might
be
a
small
amount
of
them,
but
they're
representative
of
young
people
throughout
the
city,
so
yeah
it's
really
good
to
get
their
views
in
such
a
well
I'll,
say
face-to-face.
It
will
have
been
on
a
camera.
Won't
it
so
yeah.
C
Thanks
jay
follow
us
on
from
come
to
the
brooks
point,
a
little
bit,
because
we've
been
doing
some
consultations
in
the
transport
side
of
it
as
well,
especially
around
the
areas
of
the
active
travel
neighborhoods,
and
on
that
we've
been
engaging
with
organizations
such
as
leads
involving
people
to,
rather
than
find
people
who
are
interested
in
planning
which,
unfortunately,
among
the
younger
generation,
you
may
find
that
there's
not
not
as
many
of
them
as
we
might
like
to
see
out
there
and
they've
been
in
conversation
with
communities
that
we've
been
working
with
finding
people
that
are
vocal
or
important
representatives
of
their
communities
and
then
organizing
small
focus
groups
around
there.
C
I
think
the
idea
just
trying
to
find
the
views
of
that
community
and
what
they've
helped
us
with,
I
think
is
rephrasing
the
question
so
that
the
questions
that
people
do
want
to
answer
rather
than
the
ones
we
might
necessarily
want
answering.
I
just
wondered
whether
any
of
that
work
was
gone
on
or
maybe
you
could.
You
could
have
a
chat
with
some
of
the
connecting
leads
team
around
what
they've
done
there
and
it
might
be
that
could
tie
up
and
we
could
learn
from
both.
G
I
think
that's
a
really
good
point
and
it
has
been
on
my
radar,
I'm
afraid
to
say
we
haven't
done
as
much
as
that,
as
I
would
have
liked
is
related
to
one
of
the
ideas
that
I
have
and
one
of
the
things
that
I've
tried
to
do
a
little
bit
and
that's
to
have
an
ambassador
for
the
consultation
people
within
the
community
who
are
actually
going
to
help
put
up
posters
or
to
connect
with
people
or
to
publicize,
etc.
G
That
can
actually
be
extremely
effective
and
it's
related,
I
think,
to
the
point
to
the
point
you're
you're
making
but
yeah
in
terms
of
connecting
leads.
We
do.
We
did
look
at
what
worked
well
on
the
connecting
leads
consultation
and
there
was
a
lot
of
good
work
done
during
that,
and
we
did.
I
think
we
probably
pinched
a
few
of
their
ideas
actually,
but
but
yeah
really
good
point.
G
A
The
last
one
are
they
going
to
get
mr
elliott
to
wrap
up,
so
it's
just
council,
collins
and
then
my
interrupt.
Thank.
D
You
chad,
and
it's
just
a
plea
really
to
and
and
this
applies
to
all
departments
and
not
not
just
on
this.
This
planning
issue
is
to
try
and
use
our
website
better.
I
mean
quite
often
I
know
something
is
on
the
website,
and
but
it
takes
me
three
or
four
attempts
to
actually
track
it
down,
because
you've
got
to
think
of
the
sensible
keywords
to
put
in
there
and
just
as
an
example.
D
I've
just
typed
in
local
plan
under
the
search
engine
and
the
the
first
thing
that
comes
up
is
the
adopted
local
plan
page
which
I've
clicked
on,
and
it's
got
useful
information
there,
but
there's
absolutely
nothing
about
proposed
changes
and
a
consultation
ongoing
at
the
moment.
So
it's
it's
a
plea
really
to
to
look
at
the
network
of
links
within
our
website
to
see
whether
additional
ones
need
to
be
put
in
temporarily
or
even
sometimes
you
need
backlinks.
D
So
you,
you
might
end
up
on
one
webpage,
but
not
be
able
to
find
out
where
that
information
had
come
from
originally
so
so
it's
just
a
plea
really
that
somebody
actually
looks
at
the
structure
of
our
website
and
the
web
pages
that
are
relevant
to
see
when
you're
doing
these
consultations
that
other
web
pages
can
actually
promote
that
there's
some
work
going
on.
A
A
J
Yeah
thanks
thanks
councillor
and
just
just
on
council
college's
point
we
did.
We
did
work
really
closely
with
them
with
rit
colleagues
to
really
present
a
radically
different
web
experience
for
this
local
plan
update
and
it
was
radically
different
because
it
had
embedded
videos
because
it
had
a
lot
of
color,
because
it
was
very
simply
laid
out
because
it
wasn't
reliant
on
subsequent
links
to
pdfs,
and
I
think
the
council's
shift
in
terms
of
making
its
online
content
more
accessible
really
was
testament
to
a
very
good
website.
D
J
Yeah
thanks
councillor,
collins
and
in
terms
of
the
social
media
which
ian
mentioned,
and
I
think
you
did
mention
it
ian,
but
just
so
that
members
are
very
clear
that
was
analyzed
on
a
week-by-week
basis
to
look
at
where
age
groups
and
parts
of
the
city
weren't
responding
and
then
tailoring
that
advert
advert
advertisement
to
fit
in
with
the
types
of
websites
that
they
would
look
at,
that
that
they're
known
to
be
looking
at,
in
particular
parts
of
the
city
and
the
particular
age
groups.
J
So
so
I
I
will
say
ian's
been
very
honest
with
you
today
about
the
the
the
process,
but
I
will
say
that
there
were
very
new
consultative
approaches
being
used
here
to
to
deal
with
the
limitations
of
the
pandemic
and
the
interim
statement.
The
community
involvement,
and
I
think
in
terms
of
the
creativity,
in
terms
of
the
language
and
and
in
terms
of
the
dedicated
reach
of
that
material.
Those
are
things
that
are
here
to
stay
now,
because
I
think
we've
gone
further
through
that
digital
consultation.
J
J
So
so
we're
really
keen
that
in
in
the
next
stage,
where
we've
got
more
detail-
and
we
maybe
have
more
debate-
we
can
promote
it
in
that
way
and
hang
on
to
the
good
things
that
we
learned
through
this
process,
as
well
as
improve
on
on
some
of
the
gaps
given.
Given
the
resources
that
we
have
available
to
us.
A
I
What
their
own
reflection
was
holding
an
event
during
the
summer
period?
Actually
I
know
there
are
reasons
why,
but
I
think
that's
been
one
of
the
problems
is
holding
over
because
even
if
you
had
wanted
to
even
if
you
had
wanted
to
go
out
and
have
meetings
there
is
a
proportion
of
staff
are
going
to
be
on
holiday
during
that
time.
To
start,
irrespective
of
anybody
else,
you're
going
to
have
people
missed
out
because
they've
been
on
holiday,
so
I
maybe
in
future.
I
Maybe
we
need
to
think
not
to
run
anything
during
the
summer
period,
because
I
think
in
fairness,
I
think
that's
been
one
of
your
problems
is,
but
that
came
about
because
of
other
circumstances.
I
accept
that,
but
on
reflection
I
do
think
well,
I'm
saying
I
think
summer
was
not
the
best
time
to
hold
it.
E
Yeah
ordinarily,
I
would
agree
with
you
because
you
know
when
a
health
scrutiny,
I
didn't
like
consultations
that
went
over
the
summer.
You
know,
but
this
summer
we've
not
been
able
to
get
away.
Have
we
in
the
same
numbers
that
we
normally
would?
So
maybe
there
were
more
people
online?
You
know
looking
for
things
to
occupy
their
time.
F
It
was
just
to
add
chair,
I
mean
I
take
council
anderson's
point
and
it's
it's
always
difficult.
Isn't
it
the
timing
of
consultation?
I
think
we
were
very
mindful
of
this
panel's
commitment
to
the
the
local
plan
update
process
in
terms
of
the
climate
emergency
and
the
need
for
urgency,
and
I
think,
if
we'd
have
waited
until
the
end
of
the
summer
into
the
autumn,
then
we
would
have
missed
a
whole
chunk
of
time.
I
think,
to
compensate
for
the
summer
period.
F
We
have
extended
the
consultation
into
september,
the
first
two
weeks
of
september,
so
hopefully
that
overlap
and,
as
ian
has
said,
will
allow
some
further
consultation
to
come
in
and
frankly,
it's
not
the
end
of
it
is
it
after
the
13th
of
september,
if
there
are
still
comments
that
people
want
to
make
that
can
be
fed
in
into
the
process.
So
you
know
we
have
to
start
somewhere
and
manage
our
resources
effectively
and
try
new
things.
I
think
there's
some
things
to
take
away,
but
a
whole
host
of
very
positive
things
that
have
happened.
Thank.
H
We'll
have
a
go.
Thank
you
chair
good
afternoon
members,
the
revised
mppf
and
national
design
code
and
guidance
was
issued
on
the
20th
of
july
2020.
This
obviously
this
year
got
the
right
year
for
a
change
and
are
now
live
documents
in
both
the
plan
making
and
decision
making
process.
H
H
H
Design
codes
and
area
assessments
are
now
requirement
for
the
local
planning
authorities
and
to
be
undertaken
and
taking
into
account
the
national
design
code
and
national
design
guidance
and
importantly,
coming
out
of
this
development
that
is
not
well
designed
should
be
refused,
especially
where
this
is
not
in
line
with
national
local
design
policies
and
codes.
H
Article
4,
this
is
an
area
we
raise
significant
concerns
about
in
our
consultation
response,
because
it's
linking
to
the
news
used
class
order
and
new
permitted
development
rights.
They
have
tweaked
the
text
slightly
to
include
viability
and
vitality
of
centers,
but
we
still
have
concerns
about
this
with
regard
to
time
and
resource
required
to
deliver
it,
especially
if
they're
taking
18
months
two
years
in
which
to
be
delivered
that
will
pd
rights
can
still
be
implemented.
H
Emphasis
on
the
contribution
of
trees
is
not
just
about
the
character
very,
but
also
about
helping
and
mitigating
climate
change
has
been
incorporated.
Pedestrian
cycle
routes
should
be
attracted,
attract,
attractive
and
well.
Designed
and
also
open
spaces
are
beneficial
to
nature,
also
linking
to
place
making
delivering
land
for
homes.
H
The
key
area
regarding
flood
risk
is
that
the
flood
required
risk
flood
risk
vulnerability.
Classification
is
now
part
is
now
in
the
annex
of
the
mppf,
which
was
previously
in
the
national
planning
guidance,
therefore,
giving
it
much
more
weight
previous
concerns
about
the
practicalities
of
this
a
need
for
guidance
on
how
they
should
be
taken
into
account
when
assessing
flood
risk
assessments
has
not
been
provided
to
date.
H
H
To
conclude,
we
are
generally
supportive
of
the
changes,
the
emphasis
changes
and
in
the
emphasis
on
increased
focus
on
design,
climate
change,
biodiversity
and
overall
place
making.
This
is
in
line
with
the
direction
of
elite
city
council,
with
the
declaration
of
the
climate
emergency
and
through
the
local
plan,
updates
and
therefore
lends
further
support
to
our
approach.
However,
a
lack
of
clarity,
around
definitions
of
beauty,
the
application
of
article
fours
and
its
impact
on
town
and
circle
centres
and
new
guidance
on
flood
risk
remain
problematic
to
us.
H
I
What
training
and
updating
has
been
given
to
dc
officers,
so
they
can
understand
it,
because,
when
I've
mentioned,
for
example,
that
when
I
first
heard
about
the
use
of
codes,
I
got
blank
loops
from
a
lot
of
planners.
When
I
raised
it
and
pointed
out
that
it
had
been
a
senior,
it
was
david,
what's
his
name
from
david
newberry
that
brought
it
to
our
attention,
and
some
of
his
colleagues
were
oblivious
of
the
fact
that
this
this
has
actually
happened.
F
Thank
you
count.
Anderson
well
I'll,
certainly
take
that
away
and
speak
to
jonathan
carr,
head
of
development
management.
I
mean,
as
with
everybody
else,
we've
had
a
flurry
of
changes,
haven't
we
to
the
planning
system
in
recent
weeks
and
months,
but
certainly
on
this
particular
agenda
in
terms
of
designing
the
importance
of
that
I'll,
make
sure
that's
taken
away
and
I'll
raise
that
with
the
team.
Thank
you.
A
D
Thank
you.
Sarah,
the
areas
that
you
listed
are
still
being
of
concern
to
us.
Where
do
we
go
with
that
now?
Do
we
just
have
to
accept
that
or
what
powers
do
we
have
to
to?
I
think
you
said
open
up
for
debate
on
the
word
beauty
yeah,
that
there
there
are
some
issues
here
that
that
we're
not
happy
with
what
can
we
do
about
that
at
this
stage.
H
Well,
it's
a
live
document.
Now
it's
the
live
mppf
in
which
we
take
into
consideration
when
determining
planning
applications,
pre-applications
and
policy
making
plan
making.
So
I
think
we
have
to
try
our
best
to
work
with
what
we
have
and
obviously
things
going
forward.
We
can
some
things
hopefully
in
the
local
plan.
Updates.
I'd
also
got
one,
but
there
obviously
more
to
come
over
time.
I
think
martin
may
want
to
add
some
points.
J
Yeah
thanks
sarah,
I
mean,
I
think,
we're
just
drawing
attention
to
members
as
as
to
the
the
sort
of
the
the
gap
between
the
aspirations
we
had
when
you
know,
and
this
group
sent
comments
back
to
government
and
and
some
of
it.
I
think
we
can
be
positive
about
so
I
think
the
reflection
of
the
sustainable
development
goals,
the
the
prominence
given
to
sort
of
climate
change,
albeit
that
the
document
says,
seek
to
meet
mitigate
climate
change,
not
not
absolutely
mitigate
climate
change,
which
I
think
is
a
debate
we
had.
J
But
I
think
this
is
all
about
taking
the
mppf
as
a
starting
point
when
we
then
look
at
future
iterations
of
development
plan
update,
but
on
things
like
the
permitted
development
rights
and
the
article
four
directions,
that's
a
very
clear
line
in
the
sand
that
governments
are
setting,
so
it
does
have
implications
for
if
we
were
to
do
any
further
work
on
that,
which
I
know,
there's
been
an
appetite
for
some
members
to
do.
J
It
is
going
to
be
more
difficult,
not
impossible,
but
but
but
a
lot
more
difficult
and
resource
intensive
yeah.
A
I
agree,
I
think
I
think
we
we
do
need
to
do
that.
I
mean
mppf's,
a
starting
point.
Isn't
it
it
doesn't
provide
us
from
going
further
in
policy
areas,
but
it
is
the
sort
of
the
baseline
as
it
were.
There
is
quite
a
lot
of
creative
ambiguity
in
all
of
this
which
it's
unclear,
but
if
it's
unclear,
then
we've
got
room
for
maneuver.
We
need
to
maximize
that
with
respect
to
climate
emergency,
affordable
housing,
place,
making
design
yeah
and
we
yeah,
and
we
do,
we
do
need
to
take
a
lead,
leads
approach.
A
We
certainly
do.
I
think
there
so
there's
there's
some
cause
for
optimism
in
that.
I
think
we
might
have
more
that's
in
terms
of
like
setting
policy.
That's
that's
totally
good,
where
it's
going
to
get
a
bit
more
messy
shall
we
say
is
about
considerations
of
design
and
beauty.
How
does
one
define
that
you
know?
I
mean
one
person's
brutalist
nightmare
is
another
person's
work
of
art.
A
You
know
I
mean
I
don't
like
beige,
brick,
metro,
land
kind
of
homogeneity,
but
some
people
clearly
do
it
goes.
The
debate
goes
on
and
on
and
on
how
do
we
go
forward
with
that?
Just
thinking,
particularly
from
perspective
of
officers
and
counsellors,
who
are
going
to
be
on
plans,
panels
are
going
to
be
making
these
kind
of
judgment
calls
on
a
weekly
basis.
J
J
Actually,
if,
when
we
get
on
to
the
workshop,
because
we've
got
neighborhoods
for
living,
which
we
could
say
sets
out
what
the
council
thinks
beauty
looks
like
in
the
city
and
what
these
mppf
changes
do
is
allow
us
to
place
greater
weight
on
that
when
it
comes
to
determining
planning
applications,
whereas
in
the
past
we
found
it's
often
been
numbers
of
houses
with
the
absence
of
a
five-year
supply,
for
example,
that
takes
all
the
weight.
That's
shifted
now
and
I
think
we've
got
the
coverage
from
the
mppf
on
that.
J
But
then,
as
we
look
at
local
plan,
updates
both
from
the
climate
change
perspective
and
place
making
perspective
and
beyond
what
new
local
policies
do
we
want
to
to
to
create
to
take
on
points
like
beauty,
for
example,.
A
E
Where
did
where
do
you
sit,
martin
on
the
making
effective
use
of
lamb,
because
she's
saying
about
you
know
we
were
sort
of
tied
to
this
five-year
land
supply
stuff,
but
then
the
saying
about
making
effective
use
of
land
here
instead,
which
could
potentially
cause
issues
and
areas
where
there's
already
a
strain
on
various
different
services,
as
well
as
like
transport
networks
and
things.
So
how
is
that
going
to
fold
in.
J
Update
though,
as
to
whether
there
are
environmental
limits
to
these
parts
of
the
city
for
things
like
overheating
and
the
urban
heat
effect
and
where,
in
terms
of
climate
change
adaptation,
we
know
that
actually,
the
city's
going
to
going
to
feel
the
increase
in
temperatures
far
more
acutely
within
the
main
urban
area
than
it
is
elsewhere,
which
is,
but
we've
also
got
an
approach
to
20-minute
neighborhoods
that
we're
running
through
the
local
plan
update
as
well,
which
talks
about
the
effective
use
of
of
land.
So
so
I
think
it's
it's.
It's
still
a
lot.
J
It's
still
an
important
topic
for
us
to
consider.
We've
got
a
position
set
within
the
adopted
plan
already,
which
will
be
in
line
with
what
the
mppf
says,
but
it'll
be
something
for
us
to
consider
in
due
course.
As
we
go
down.
The
local
plan
update
and
any
future
iterations
of
of
the
local
plan
and
taking
into
account
the
the
the
inner
areas
and
the
importance
of
place
and
space
and
trees
and
green
space
will
be,
will
be
important
to
that.
E
Sorry,
sorry,
I
wasn't.
I
wasn't
talking
necessarily
just
about
town
and
city
center
sites,
I'm
also
talking
about,
like
you
know,
the
more
sort
of
greenfield
type
sites
where
it
may
be
that
they
want
him
to
shoehorn
in
loads,
more
housing
that
locally,
wouldn't
necessarily
be
able
to
absorb
that
amount
of
of
extra
population,
and
so
like,
because
you
were.
E
J
So
this
document
still
retains,
as
as
a
prime
objective
to
meet
identified.
Housing
needs
that
that
sits
very
much
at
the
top
of
the
mppf,
and
it
remains
one
of
the
tests
of
soundness,
which
is
around
meeting
objectively
assessed
needs.
So
I
think
that
one
of
the
points
we
made
back
to
government
was
that
that
needs
to
be
tempered
by
things
like
climate
emergency
design
place
making,
because
those
might
be
reasons
as
to
why
you
can't
meet
the
the
top
of
your
overall
housing
needs.
J
So
we'll
have
to
still
have
that
debate
and
look
at
local
evidence
as
to
where
the
most
appropriate
parts
of
the
city
are
in
terms
of
where
that
housing
is
delivered.
For
now,
a
lot
of
that's
focused
in
the
main
urban
area
in
the
city
centre
and
that
that
that
that's
the
position
we
have
and
we
have
a
very
healthy
five-year
housing
land
supply.
J
But
the
next
plan
period
we'll
have
to
look
at
where
housing
over
the
next
16
years
is
and
what
what
those
numbers
are,
including
the
35
housing
uplift
that
government
wants
us
to
to
to
meet
as
well.
A
Well,
that'll
be
fun
for
everybody.
I
think
that
just
just
performing
council
lamin,
I
think
a
fundamental
question
for
it
is
do
all
these
changes
make
it
easier
for
us
to
to
place
make,
and
particularly,
if
you
cast
your
mind
about
colleagues
to
when
we've
had
inquiries
over
this
happen,
that
will
it
will
it
make
it
easier
to
bring
together
local
services
in
a
cohesive
and
sensible
manner.
A
Don't
think
I
don't
think
the
mpps
there
yet
at
all
and
when
you
think
of
the
the
problems
that
health
and
education
colleagues
have
been
helping
us
out
in
that
regard,
I
think
that's
still
a
glaring
emission
in
the
uk
planning
system
as
it's
presently
configured
and
they've
not
seen
anything
yet
to
change
my
mind
on
that,
but
we'll
keep
battling
away
with
clg
over
that
right,
council,
lan
and
then
council
collins.
Thank.
B
You
chair,
one
thing
that
strikes
me
about
this
is:
how
do
we
make
it
actually
accessible
to
people,
because
even
for
those
of
us
that
are
immersed
in
this
stuff,
you,
you
read
it
and
you
still
get
anything
right.
What
does
that
actually
mean
in
pri
in
practical
terms,
when
there's
a
planning
application
to
consider?
What
does
it
mean?
And
I
don't
I
don't
know
how?
B
But
if
there's
a
way
that
we
could
produce
a
one-minute
guide
one
page,
this
is
what's
changed
and
this
is
what
it
means
in
practice,
not
just
for
our
benefits,
but
for
all
panel
members
for
officers
for
members
of
the
public
for
developers
to
actually
be
able
to
see
at
a
glance
right.
I
can
get
what
it
means
if
I'm
submitting
an
application
considering
it,
I
want
to
comment
on
it.
I
can
see
easily
what's
changed
and
it's
it's
not
down
to
us,
but
we
have
to
deal
with
it.
B
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
we
could
get
somebody
to
have
a
look
and
say
right.
This
is,
this
is
a
simple
way
not
just
for
this
change,
but
for
future
changes
that
we
have
a
template.
That
says
that
this
is
what
it
was
before.
This
is
what
it
is
now,
and
this
is
what
it
would
mean
in
practical
terms,
and
because
I've
got
a
reasonable
grasp
of
this,
but
even
so,
I
still
write
there's
a
bit
of
chin
scratching
going
on.
H
Yeah
so
part
of
the
remit
of
me
going
through,
obviously,
updating
you
on
the
mppf
is
to
provide
which
links
back
to
council
anderson's
point
about
dm.
It
is
actually
we're
just
in
the
process
of
creating
a
cheat
sheet.
I
suppose
it's
the
right
thing
to
call
it
of
what's
changed
and
obviously
maybe
we
can
add
a
bit
on
to
add
a
further
section
on
to
make
it
simple
as
possible
present.
What's
what
was
the
2019?
H
What
was
2021
and
what
the
implications
are
in
a
sort
of
quick
view
table
and
we'll
we'll
we
go.
That's
what
upon
to
do,
but
we'll
we'll
make
that
available,
and
so
we
can
do
that,
but
yeah.
That's
part
of
the
remit
to
explain
mppf
as
best
we
can
so
far.
A
D
Just
a
quick
one,
I
think
really
when
it
comes
to
these
definitions
of
of
beauty
and
placemaking
and
everything,
could
we
not
ask
the
school
of
architecture?
What
do
they
actually
teach
do
they,
because
they
must.
They
must
have
something
that
they
give
their
students
some
guidelines
as
to
what
they
think
they
should
incorporate
in
designs
and
what
they
shouldn't
put
in
designs.
A
E
A
Yeah
because
it
well,
why
not
I
mean,
because
no
one
seriously
believes
that
when
we
look
at
back
at
buildings
from
periods
that
we
don't
think
were
great
periods
of
design,
nobody
in
those
periods
was
going
out
of
their
way
to
produce
a
terrible
building.
Although
the
marion
center
might
be
an
exception
to
this,
I'm
not
sure.
A
As
you
can
see,
as
long
as
you're
on
the
architect,
counseling
and
they'll
be
fine,
you
know
everyone,
no
one
can
get
hurt,
but
yeah.
It's
we'll
we'll
do
that
and
we'll
get
we'll
see
if
they
can
come
along,
so
school
of
architecture
at
the
uni,
yeah,
martin
and
the
philosophy
department.
Yes,
mr
mr
elliot's
going
to
bring
a
moment
of
sanity
to
the
end
of
this
item.
So
I.
J
Mean
I
just,
I
would
also
say
that
we
do.
We
are
fortunate
in
that
we've
got
qualified
architects
and
urban
designers
working
for
us
and
advising
you
as
panel
members,
and
I
think
the
main
thing
to
take
away
from
this
is
it's
less
about
defining
what
beauty
is
and
more
about
the
prominence
of
good
design,
that's
related
to
local
circumstances
and
and
local
character
of
areas
across
the
city,
and
I
think
that
what
you'll
find
as
panel
members
is
that
this
mppf
will
help
you.
J
Should
you
wish
to
place
more
weight
on
that
aspect
of
a
planning
application
than
on
others?
I
think
trying
to
find
a
what's.
What's
leeds?
Beauty
is
well
yeah
and-
and
I
think
it's
really
really
interesting
and
I
think,
as
we
explore
things
like
the
model
design
code
and
how
we
implement
that
and
how
we
draw
up
new
design
codes.
I
think
that's
a
really
good
debate
to
have
with
with
the
school
of
architecture
and
others.
So
I
would.
I
would
endorse
that.
D
I
think
there's
a
we
could
learn
a
lot
from
understanding
how
to
separate
personal
taste
from
elements
of
of
beauty
or
good
design.
I
think
that's
the
the
sort
of
trick
of
doing
it
properly,
because
you
know
brutalist
architecture
might
be
somebody's
taste,
but
it's
it
fulfills
certain
proportions
and
and
lines
which
I
understand.
Our
architectural
advice
admires.
A
When
we're
now
discussing
cancer,
sublime
theory,
we've
reached
that
point,
have
we
right?
I
think
I
think
that's
brought
this
item
to
a
gentle
natural
clothes.
So
well.
So
what
we're
gonna
do
is
we'll
finish.
Closing
dpp
now
we're
gonna
have
a
five
minute
break
and
then
we'll
get
started
with
the
workshop.
So
we're
well
ahead
of
our
schedule,
if
that's
all
right
folks,
so
reconvene
at
like
five,
two
more
or
less
and
then
touch
if
you.