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A
Be
sharp-eyed
enough
to
know
that
I
am
neither
councillor's
mckenna
nor
counsel.
Council
is
growing.
Unfortunately,
council
mckenna
is
recovering
but
ill
from
kovid.
Unfortunately,
council
ruined
very
sadly
suffered
a
family
bereavement,
so
she
can't
attend
today
as
an
experienced
planetarians,
dpp,
chair
and
members
contend
that
I
chair
the
meeting
yeah
yeah
good,
excellent.
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much,
colleagues
for
your
sensible
cooperation.
A
On
that
note,
let's
get
things
started
properly,
so
I
think
we
begin
so
debbie.
If
you
could
start
the
webcast
when
you're
finished,
it's
norrish.
A
What's
your
what's
the
boot
up
tune,
is
it.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
so
we're
now
live
on
youtube
folks,
so
good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
city
plans.
I'm
council,
neal
warshaw
heading
in
high
part,
ward
and
I'll
be
chairing
this
afternoon's
meeting.
So
we've
got
a
few
comments
to
make
as
as
per
usual,
so
we've
been
live
streamed
on
the
city
council's
youtube
channel,
so
the
public
can
observe
the
meeting
that
we
need
to
be
present.
City
plans
deal
with
applications
from
the
city
centre
and
the
land
larger
applications
from
around
the
city.
A
G
Good
morning
afternoon,
councillor
peter
carr
little
cavely
and
fosley
world.
A
Thanks
all
that
amount
of
gremlins
can
we
go
back
to
zoom
right?
Okay.
So,
let's
move
to
our
agenda
proper,
so
debbie
agenda
item,
one
to
run
through
the
items.
E
Thank
you
chair
under
gender
item
number
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal.
Inspection
of
documents
agenda
item
two:
there
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
or
the
public
agenda
item
three.
There
are
no
late
items
of
business
agenda
item
four
could
ask
members
to
declare
any
interest
that
they
may
have.
E
F
E
Are
none
under
agenda
item
five?
We
have
received
apologies
for
absence
from
councillors,
jim
mckenna,
councillor,
gruen
and
councillor
al
garthwaite,
councillor
sharon
burke
is
substituting
for
councillor
garthwaite.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Lovely
thank
you
right
so
folks,
if
we
could
turn
to
the
minutes
on
page,
I
believe.
A
Page
nine,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
these
through
these
page
pipe
page,
but
the
minutes
go
from
page
nine
through
to
many
pages,
because
we
are
an
extremely
detailed
focus
council
who
talk
a
lot
through
to
page
21..
There's
any
points
of
order.
Anyone
wants
to
raise
on
the
minutes
are
any
matters
arising
and
if
not
considerably
move
them.
As
a
true
record,
give
you
a
moment
for
that
move
from
council
cohen
members
content.
There
are
a
true
record
from
council
of
carl
thanks
very
much.
A
All
righty
ho
in
that
case,
without
any
further
ado,
let's
turn
to
agenda
item
eight,
which
is
not
some
page
23
new
papers,
which
is
the
plant
vacation
regarding
to
the
residential
development
office
development
at
two
grade,
george
street.
So
sarah
over
to
you.
C
Thank
you
chair
and
just
to
ask
members
to
just
bear
with
me
a
little
bit
because
I'm
doing
the
clark's
job
of
moving
the
slides
on.
So
it's
taking
me
a
little
bit
of
time
just
to
get
used
to
that
as
well
as
presenting
so
just
bear
with
me
a
moment.
C
Okay,
here
we
go
so
we
have
before
us
today
a
scheme
for
two
great
george
street,
which
is
to
convert
the
existing
office
building
from
a
council
office
building
to
apartments
with
the
ground
floor
off
issues,
so
we
have
listed
building
and
full
application
it
being
a
listed
building,
and
this
is
the
site
in
red.
C
So
members
will
recall
recently
we
brought
the
leonardo
building
and
the
car
park
site
in
the
middle
for
determination
for
a
student
scheme
there,
and
at
the
time
I
said
that
this
would
come
forward
as
a
separate
scheme
because
it
has
a
different
applicant
and
it
wasn't
ready
to
come
at
the
same
time.
But
now
we
feel
it
is
officersville
is
ready
to
come.
So
we're
bringing
it
today
just
a
couple
of
points.
C
While
I
linger
on
the
site,
location
plans
for
you
and
just
to
raise
since
the
report-
well,
there's
one
really,
which
is
that
there's
been
a
further
historic
england
letter
re
received
in
terms
of
objection
but
reading
through
it.
It's
a
repeat
of
their
previous
second
letter
that
they
sent.
So
it's
not
they're
not
actually
raising
anything
new
and
they've.
Just
resent
this.
C
The
second
letter
again
and
also
just
want
to
raise
from
the
start
that
there
is
a
financial
viability
appraisal
on
this,
which
is
why
we
have
brian
mcguire
here
from
district
values,
who
has
done
a
a
a
review
of
that
and
that's
in
the
appendix
appendices
for
the
report
in
full.
But
it
does
mean
that
we
are
at
three
affordable
units
as
a
result
of
that
and
obviously
brian
can
and
delve
into
that
with
us
later
as
we
go
through.
C
So
this
is
the
existing
building.
I'm
sure
everybody
is
well
aware
of
it.
It's
been
former
council
offices
and
has
been
vacant
since
we
all
moved
out
of
them
and-
and
we
did
have
a
previous
scheme,
so
we
will
make
reference
to
that
in
this.
For
comparison,
just
so
to
help
members
kind
of
gauge
scale,
etcetera,
but
that
previous
scheme
has
fallen
away
and
the
current
applicant
is
putting
forward
this
scheme.
C
C
So
in
terms
of
I'll
start
with
the
floor
plans.
So
the
basement
doesn't
really
change.
It's
it's
a
functional
basement
and
it
will
stay
as
as
back
of
house
functioning
areas,
a
ground
floor
level
would
have
office
accommodation,
and
what
will
happen
here
is,
as
you
can
probably
see
at
the
bottom.
So
at
the
top
of
the
screen
is
woodhouse
lane.
Obviously,
we've
got
streets
on
here
for
you,
unfortunately,
at
the
top,
so
it's
woodhouse
lane
to
the
left
is
washington
street
and
then
to
the
bottom.
C
You
can
see
that
where
we've
got,
we
had
an
existing
20th
century
entrance
that
is
removed
and
replaced
with
a
flush
entrance
which
again,
we've
got
detail
of
further
through
the
presentation
and
then
coming
in
through
that
this
will
be
the
staircar
and
the
central
circulation
car,
with
lift
using
the
existing
lifts,
probably
refurbishing
them
as
well
for
the
residential
accommodation
above,
but
this
level
will
be
for
office
use
still
it's
it's
shown
as
laid
out
as
open
plan
offices
which
the
building
had
previously
so
in
terms
of
historic
material
in
the
building
and
because
of
the
way
we
used
it
as
a
council
there
that,
to
be
honest,
there
isn't
that
much
in
there
there
are
particular
areas
of
interest
but
large,
on
a
large
scale.
C
It's
open
plan,
but
this
is
indicative
in
terms
of
what
could
be
the
office
space.
It
could
be
different,
a
different
layout
with
different
partitioning
that
wouldn't
really
adversely
affect
the
interior
of
the
building,
because
it
is
pretty
much
a
shell
there's,
a
few
solid
walls
which
will
be
retained,
as
you
can
see
on
here
in
terms
of
the
access
to
the
office.
The
two
side,
doors
to
the
building
so
north
and
south
of
the
building,
will
be
reused
there.
They
haven't
been
used
for
a
long
time.
C
I
don't
think,
and
the
one
to
the
south
actually
has
level
access
still
the
north
one
has
some
steps,
but
that
will
give
accessible
level
upgrade
entrance
into
the
into
the
offices,
above
that
there
is
a
mezzanine,
a
small
mezzanine
set
in
the
middle
here
for
the
cycle
store.
So
you
can
see
that's
kind
of
in
this
area
here
so
and
that
will
be
accessed
from
the
lifts
and
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
bit
more
on
an
orientation
of
what,
where
that
is.
C
Hopefully
you
can
look
at
that
in
your
pack
as
well,
but
this
this
kind
of
shows
you
there's
that
mezzanine
in
the
middle,
and
it
also
shows
you
gives
you
a
glimpse.
There
are
other
mezzanines
further
up
the
building
as
well
as
well
as
the
rooftop
extension
to
get
the
required
level
of
accommodation
the
applicant
is
seeking.
C
This
also,
hopefully
shows
you
that
there
are
some
really
generous
floor
to
ceiling
heights,
and
there
are
some
figures
on
here
so
where
these
ones
are
split
and
then
missing
is
inserted.
C
The
floor
to
ceiling
height
is
still
within
the
tolerance
or
slightly
above
actually,
the
tolerance
levels
given
in
the
national
space
standards
for
floor
to
ceiling
heights
moving
up
into
the
accommodation.
So
we
have
a
mix
of
from
the
83
units
and
we
have
a
mix
of,
as
in
the
reports,
41
are
one
beds
for
52
percent
are
two
beds
and
seven
percent
are
three
beds.
Some
of
these
are
duplex,
so
some
of
them
will
span
across
two
floors,
as
is
evidenced
on
this
floor
plan
all
have
quite
generous
floor
spaces.
C
Some
of
them
are
extremely
generous
again.
I
put
that
in
the
report,
so
some
of
the
smaller
ones,
the
one
bedrooms,
are
the
kind
of
the
tolerance
levels
for
the
national
space
standards.
But
then
the
majority
of
them
are
actually
a
lot
larger
and
so
there's
some
really
generous
accommodation
in
this
scheme
and
then
that's
the
second
floor
of
the
duplex,
these
duplex
flats.
So
you
can
see
they've
each
got
their
individual
staircases
between
them
and
you
can
see
in
the
middle
here
on
this.
C
This
plan,
the
existing
staircase
off
wood
house
lane,
where
you
can
see
the
two
vertical
black
lines
that
is
retained,
as
is
as
a
secondary
entrance,
so
still
would
be
used
or
it
would
be
able
to
be
reopened
to
use
as
an
entrance
because
it
wasn't
used
by
the
previous
incumbents
because
of
it
being
an
inaccessible
entrance,
because
it's
a
really
important
feature
of
the
list
of
building.
We
wouldn't
want
any
interventions
such
as
stairlifts
or
anything
like
that.
C
In
there
it's
got
lovely
tiles,
it's
heavily
detailed
on
the
frontage,
so
it
becomes
a
secondary
entrance
to
the
residential
dwellings,
with
the
primary
entrance
being
the
new
entrance
that
I
mentioned
previously
from
the
former
car
park
site
and
to
the
west
of
the
building
and
then
moving
up
the
building.
We
have
a
typical
floor
plan
again.
These
are
the
individual
apartments
laid
out
in
a
kind
of
a
regular
grit
across
each
typical
floor
plan.
C
So
I'm
not
going
to
show
you
every
floor
plan
because
that's
kind
of
there's
there's
not
much
point
doing
so,
but,
as
you
move
up
to
the
roof
level,
the
building
starts
to
step
in.
So,
as
was
evidenced
on
those
earlier
images,
I
showed
you
at
the
beginning
the
roof
extension
steps
in
from
the
main
facade
of
the
building.
C
That
means
you
get
some
terraces
for
those
units
that
are
up
there
around
the
edge
of
differing
sizes,
depending
on
where
they
are
in
terms
of
those
terraces
and
that's
the
second
floor
of
those
rooftop
apartments
and
then
on
top.
You
also
get
more
terraces.
Some
of
those
are
private
terraces,
but
there's
also
a
large
communal
terrace
in
the
middle
and
also
wells
within
that
level
to
allow
plant
and
acu's
and
things
like
that
to
be
hidden
away.
C
C
So
moving
on
to
kind
of
comparisons
of
scale
and
massing,
so
that's
the
previous
scheme
showing
the
site
section,
as
was
showing
the
roof
top
extension
that
we
previously
had
a
panel
and
the
outline
of
the
approved
scheme
and
then
that's
overlaid
on
the
proposed
development,
and
this
is
to
demonstrate
really
that
we're
looking
at
the
red
line
boundary
because
the
rest
is
consented
is
really
to
show
you
that
the
outline
of
the
extension
is
largely
of
the
same
height
and
scale
as
the
previous
scheme
that
we
all
approved
and
then
just
moving
on.
C
I
won't
dwell
too
much
on
the
elevations
inten
in
this
form,
because
it's
better
if
we
look
at
the
cgi's,
but
these
kind
of
give
you
a
start
to
give
you
an
understanding
of
how
the
rooftop
extension
sits.
On
top.
The
glassy
part
of
the
rooftop
extension
sits
on
top
of
the
building,
how
it
tries
to
pick
up
on
the
the
rhythms
of
the
columns
in
the
building
below
and
that's
kind
of
picked
up
as
we
go
around
the
building.
C
There
are
also
kind
of
more
dominant
lines
on
there,
which
are
fins
as
well,
which
will
be
required
for
solar
gain
reasons,
move
back
around
to
this
side
and
this
kind
of
details
that
in
a
bit
more
prominence
kind
of
showing
how
those
alignments
have
been
looked
at
with
that
rooftop
extension.
C
We
have
that
as
well,
but
it's
more
pronounced
this
time
and
we
have
a
scheme
here
which
replicates
the
detail
of
the
historic
building
in
that
section
of
the
lower
area,
and
on
this
also,
we've
got
just
some
examples
of
materiality
for
that.
The
glassy
part
of
the
extension
to
kind
of
show
the
sort
of
sort
of
finish
or
quality
we
could
get
from
this.
C
And
again,
this
is
just
to
kind
of
demonstrate
other
examples
of
buildings
which
have
quite
detailed
facades
and
in
some
instances
and
a
much
more,
simpler
calmer
rooftop
extension
and
to
demonstrate
that
the
glassiness
can
change,
depending
on
the
weather
conditions,
the
light
conditions
etc.
C
So
this
is
the
comparison
slide
that
I
refer
to
before.
So
on
this
side,
on
the
right
hand,
side
you
can
see
the
existing
arrangement,
which
has
this
parapet
at
the
top,
and
we've
been
up.
We've
been
up
today
on
top
of
this
and
peered
through
these
these
to
look
at
the
views
and,
what's
what
will
happen
here
is
from
this
level
on
upwards?
There
is
a
requirement
to
to
alter
the
building
here,
to
get
their
level
of
accommodation
in
and
to
increase
the
height
of
it,
but
without
making
it
top
heavy.
C
So
the
aim
here
in
replicating
the
existing
building
is
to
make
sure
that
the
top
the
upper
part,
the
glossy
part,
isn't
the
dominant
feature
and
is
within
the
the
outline,
the
the
massing
that
we've
previously
approved
largely
and
I'll
explain
what
I
mean
by
that
shortly.
Obviously,
there
are
different
ways
to
to
do
this
in
terms
of
replicating
existing
materials
and
existing
detailing
there's
some
very
good
examples
around
such
as
we've
got
one
in
leeds,
which
is
broad
gate.
The
former
lewis's
has
been
finished
off
had
a
whole
section.
C
The
whole
corner
finished
off
to
an
excellent
standard
and
it's
hard
to
see
the
join.
If
you
don't,
if
you're
not
looking
for
it,
and
if
you
don't
realize
it's
been
finished
off
more
recently,
so
it's
really
down
to
quality
of
finish
there
and
control
of
materials
and
detailing
that
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
this
actually
works
in
the
way
we
intend
it
to
just
moving
down
to
that
new
entrance.
C
So
the
idea
is
to
pick
up
some
of
that
detailing,
but
then
obviously
put
more
contemporary,
simple
glazed
doors
underneath
it
so
we're
kind
of
blending,
hopefully
sympathetically
the
the
old
and
the
new
to
to
create
an
appropriate
entrance
and
then
also
next
to
those
out
in
this
area
and
I'll
move
on
to
the
landscaping
as
well.
C
There
is
also
a
requirement
to
put
some
bin
store
somewhere
and
we've
looked
at
with
the
applicant
at
various
options
of
trying
to
get
those
inside
the
building,
and
there
are
levels
changes
which
make
that
quite
difficult
and
also
the
the
sort
of
breakthrough
of
the
building
we
felt
would
be
detrimental
to
it.
So
we're
looking
at
these
quite
slender
bin
stores,
with
fret
cut
metal
panels
on
them,
trying
to
make
them
the
most
attractive
as
possible.
That
would
sit
in
behind
the
boundary
wall
and
snug
up
against
the
building.
C
I
can
show
you
where,
on
the
landscape
plan
shortly
and
then
moving
on
to
a
bit
more
detail,
so
this
is
back
to
the
mezzanines,
and
this
is
to
show
you.
This
is
the
typical
kind
of
mezzanine
here
here
and
here,
and
to
show
you
that
you
would
get
these
void
spaces
where
you
get
this
double
height
space
in
front
of
the
windows,
so
that
you
wouldn't
have
them
butting
right
up
to
the
windows.
C
This
edge
treatment
would
also
be
treated
in
a
dark
color
so
that
it
would
be
less
prominent
and
you
would
still
read
the
the
existing
windows
as
the
main
features
of
the
building
and
then
in
terms
of
that
landscaping.
So
this
is
the
area
between
the
two
sites
and
the
black
rectangles
are
the
bin
stores.
You
can
see
that
we
would
retain
a
north-south
route
through
between
the
two
buildings
and
there's
an
opportunity
to
get
some
landscaping
in
there.
C
It
would
also
need
to
tie
in
with
the
landscaping
scheme
that
is
indicatively
approved
on
the
other
scheme.
Although
we've
got
approval
for
the
student
scheme,
that's
in
grey
at
the
bottom,
and
we've
agreed
some
landscaping,
a
level
of
landscaping
detail
that
also
requires
conditions
or
has
conditions
rather
to
control
the
details
of
landscaping.
So
we
would
be
looking
for
both
schemes
to
work
together.
C
The
applicants
of
both
schemes
to
make
sure
that
this
is
a
cohesive
space
in
terms
of
its
landscaping
and
we
get
the
best
out
of
it
and
as
much
greenery
there
is
possible
and
then
you
can
see
at
the
top
in
the
light
well
toward
us
lane,
there's
also
an
area
where
you've
got
little
seats,
etc
and
a
bit
of
greenery
there.
That
would
be
spill
out
space
for
the
office
use
and
would
only
be
accessible
through
the
office
accommodation
where
a
new
doorway
out
into
that
would
be
created
in
the
light.
C
C
That's
existing,
obviously
looking
across
to
the
site,
and
then
that's
the
previously
approved
scheme
and
that's
the
current
proposal,
so
they
have
put
in
the
approved
student
scheme
behind
their
scale
and
to
understand
the
relationship
to
it
and
the
fact
that
it
would
step
down
still
so
you
can
see
in
terms
of
the
previous
scheme
and
the
proposed.
C
The
massing
of
the
extension
is
very
similar.
Now
this
proposed
scheme
does
have
a
an
extra
section
on
top
which
is
in
set,
as
I
showed
you
on
the
plans,
and
hopefully
you
can
see
in
your
packs
as
well.
That
is
actually
due
to
its
setback.
Position
not
visible
in
views
that
close
quarter
demonstrated
in
these
views
from
the
applicant
and
only
visible
in
distance
view.
C
So
as
I
go
through
these
you'll
see
that
so
existing
previous
scheme
and
proposed
again,
you
can't
see
that
top
setback
level
existing
previous
scheme
and
proposed
existing
previous
scheme
and
proposed,
and
there
you
can
see
when
you
bit
further
away
it
starts
to
you
know
you
get
a
little
slice
of
it
appearing.
We
don't
think
that
as
officers,
we
don't
think
that's
harmful.
It's
within
the
kind
of
skyline,
it's
not
over
dominating
the
building
in
terms
of
that
extra
level
and
again
existing
and
proposed,
and
that's
that's
the
end
of
the
slide.
C
C
It's
a
a
calmer
sleeker
approach
than
the
previous
scheme,
although
obviously
we
all
approved
the
previous
scheme
and
thought
that
was
acceptable,
but
in
terms
of
its
relationship
to
the
main
building,
we
feel
that
the
extension
is
secondary
and
doesn't
overdominate
it
due
to
that
that
the
treatment
given
to
the
different
sections
of
it
and
we
consider
that
it
uses
to
be
appropriate
city
center
uses.
So
we
are
recommending
it
for
approval
chair.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
sarah,
that's
a
excellent
presentation.
We've
got
questions
for
officers,
but
before
would
you
do
questions?
Ask
the
representatives
for
the
application
to
come
and
make
yourself
comfortable
down
the
front
here?
If
you
want
to
do
that,
I
think
you
could,
if
we
have
to
bring
you
in,
in
any
case
members
of
content
with
that
yeah.
Okay,
so
I've
heard
the
presentation.
We've
also
got
the
district
value
here
with
respect
to
affordables.
E
Thank
you
chair.
Just
a
quick
one
really
has
regard
been.
E
Regarding
taken
for
local
housing
need
when
looking
at
housing
mix
on
this,
because
obviously
the
policy
is
20
and
it
I
know
that
in
the
report
it
says,
given
that
this
scheme
offers
seven
percent
three
bed
flats
and
the
provision
of
three
bed
dwellings
in
the
city
center
historically
stands
at
around
one
percent.
This
proposal
would
help
to
increase
a
percentage
of
current
provision.
E
Now,
if,
if
the
current
provision
is
one
percent,
then
surely,
if
you
had
two
percent,
then
that
would
be
increasing
provision.
So
I
don't,
I
don't
understand
the
argument.
That's
been
put
forward
in
the
in
the
report
pack,
I
think
a
better.
E
A
better
way
to
measure
housing
mix
is
to
look
at
what
the
local
need
is.
Thank
you.
C
Yeah
I
mean
it
is
a.
It
is
in
our
viewer,
a
betterment
on
other
schemes
that
we've
had
in
the
city
centre.
But
I'll
take
your
point
in
terms
of
like
the
approach
that's
taken
to
kind
of
assessing
it.
We
do
always
ask
developers
to
look
at
the
demographic
of
the
area
and
the
city
centre
and
the
demographic
aim
of
the
scheme
and
to
reflect
that
and
take
that
into
account
when
they
are
coming
up
with
a
housing
mix
and
and
justifying
why
it's
not
20.
C
So,
every
time
we
do
get
this
situation,
which
we
commonly
get,
as
you
quite
rightly
say,
in
the
city
center.
That
is
something
that
we
always
ask
them
to
do,
and
it
is
more
than
we
get
on
other
schemes.
So
we
we
kind
of
you
know
you
know
it's
not
the
full
20,
but
it
is
a
significant
improvement
on
the
schemes.
C
We've
also
got
a
situation
where
we've
got
the
financial
viability
appraisal,
which
will
be
a
factor
as
well,
and
I
think,
if
they
actually
try
to
achieve
the
20
and
brian
might
be
able
to
help
me
on
this,
that
they,
it
would
be
even
less
viable
and
they
may
not
have
any
affordable
in
in
there
at
all.
If
that
was
the
case,
you'd
happy
for
me
to
ask
brian
yeah.
D
D
The
scheme
has
had
to
be
designed
around
the
best
mix
that
will
make
it
financially
viable
to
provide
some
affordable
and
we
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
viability
as
well.
If
you
like
yeah,
we
did
challenge
a
number
of
the
inputs
in
the
viability
appraisal
in
terms
of
their
the
applicant's
view
of
the
benchmark
land
value,
I.e
the
property's
current
value.
D
The
other
issue
that
affected
this
site,
which
I
don't
think
I've
ever
spoken
to
you
about,
is
the
issue
of
vacant
building
credits
where
there
is
national
and
local
policies
to
encourage
developers
to
reuse
buildings
such
as
this,
whereby
some
of
the
construction
costs
and
ancillary
matters
make
it
less
viable.
So
what
that
effectively
means
is
that
when
you
apply
your
affordable
housing
policy,
you
only
apply.
D
D
We've
got
a
lower
profit
margin
that
we've
applied
and
we've
taken
account
of
the
vacant
building,
credit
and,
and
ironically,
even
though
it's
only
providing
three
affordable
houses.
Strictly
speaking,
it
is
a
planning
compliance
scheme.
I
don't
know
if
sarah
wants
to
add
anything
to
that.
So
we've
applied
your
policy
that
says
that
they
really
only
have
to
provide
three
affordable
units
as
opposed
to
seven,
and
it
is
supported
by
national
policy
and
and
and
your
lead
city,
council
planning
policy.
N
Yeah
thanks
chad.
I
I
think,
as
well
as
the
considerations
that
sarah
and
and
brian
have
outlined,
which
have
led
to
our
recommendation
to
you
on
on
the
mix.
In
answer
to
your
question,
councilor
brooks
the
demand
in
the
city
center
is
for
smaller
units.
Actually,
that's
reflected
by
a
housing
mix
policy
where
the
targets
for
one
bed
and
two
bed
units
are
much
greater
than
for
three
bed.
N
What
we're
trying
to
do
through
the
policies
obviously
influence
the
market
by
trying
to
have
more
choice
and
some
larger
units,
but
the
demographics
and
the
nature
of
city
center
is
a
the
demand
is
for
smaller
units
actually,
but
but
that's
not
the
only
thing
that
informs
the
policy.
We're
also
trying
to
change
the
the
nature
of
what's
on
the
market,
going
forward
and
and
create
more
choice.
N
So
there
is
a
there
is
a,
but
in
this
case
there
is
a
balancing
act.
I
think
just
to
finish
off
on
brian's
point.
The
policy,
a
fully
policy
compliant
position
in
this
case
would
be
six
units
because
of
the
vacuum
building
credit,
because
in
this
case
there
happens
to
be
a
vacant
building
which
wasn't
abandoned
for
the
purposes
of
this
development.
N
A
J
You
chair,
looking
at
page
26
and
page
27
of
the
report
in
front
of
us
there's
some
very
robust
objections
from
both
historic
england
and
the
ancient
monument
society
challenge.
Whenever
we're
developing
heritage
assets
is
once
they're
developed,
they're
gone
in
terms
of
their
intrinsic
heritage
value.
J
Could
you
just
speak
a
little
bit
more
about
how
you
given
weight
or
what
weight
you've
given
in
terms
of
you've
obviously
come
out
in
favor
of
on
balance.
We
believe
it's
appropriate
to
allow
this
to
go
ahead,
but
I'm
thinking
particularly
the
mezzanines,
which
both
objectors
bring
significant
concern
about
it,
just
just
in
terms
of
it
just
give
us
some
reassurance
around
that
in
terms
of
the
weight
applied
and
why
that
should
override
this
quite
serious
concerns.
C
Yeah,
no,
no
problem.
Yes,
we
we
kind
of
we
do
look
at
that
and
and
what
we
are
weighing
up
is,
is
the
balance
of
how
much
development
will
allow
the
building
to
actually
be
be
developed
and
brought
back
into
use.
Is
there
a
case
for
saying
that
there's
a
level
of
development
here
which
is
causing
which
could
cause
some
harm
and
what
is
that
level
of
harm?
Do
we
think
it's
less
than
substantial,
or
do
we
think
it's
substantial?
C
If
we
think
it's
substantial,
then
what
can
be
done
to
make
it
less
than
substantial?
So
we
worked
with
a
developer
to
try
and
make
sure
that
the
mezzanines,
in
particular,
were
pulled
away
from
the
windows
were
kind
of
not
the
dominant
future,
that
they
weren't
on
floors
where
they,
where
they
couldn't
accommodate
them,
and
that's
that's
essentially
the
balance
that
we
see.
I
don't
know
phil
would
like
to
kind
of
add
to
that.
D
I
think
it's
worth
saying
that
this
is
quite
a
usual
way
of
of
dealing
with
buildings
with
proportions
of
the
scale
such
as
mill
buildings,
with
very
high
high
floor
to
ceiling
height
and
other
warehouses
in
these
crisp.
In-House
is
a
casing
point.
D
If
you
kept
everything
on
one
level,
you
wouldn't
have
many
flats
and
it
wouldn't
be
viable.
So
we
see
this
as
probably
the
less
harmful
way
of
bringing
these
buildings
back
into
residential
use.
That's
the
optimum
viable
use
which
it
is
in
this
case.
J
Well,
this
isn't
this
wasn't
and
isn't
a
single,
it's
not
a
warehouse,
it
already
has
flaws,
and
that's
so
no
not
really
it
doesn't
really
so
what
you're
saying,
if
I'm
understanding
what
you're
telling
me
is
the
only
way
this
was
viable
was
by
adding
in
the
extra
flaws
they're
necessary.
They
go
to
ultimately
they're,
going
to
viability
again.
A
I
I
think
for
dan's
benefit
if
you
go
in
there
and
actually
look
at
the
inside
of
the
building,
it's
built
to
a
set
of
proportions
that
we
haven't
seen
in
school
buildings
for
best
about
100
years.
I
think-
and
I
was
jokingly
saying
to
my
colleague
next
door.
If
you
actually
got
a
flat
there,
you'd
have
a
little
job
painting
the
ceiling,
so
I
can
understand
about
the
mezzanines.
I
I've
just
got
the
question
actually
for
the
developers.
If,
if
I
could
yeah.
I
M
Sure
I'll
let
the
architect
come
in
further
as
well,
if
they
wish,
but
there's
a
lot
to
do
with
that.
Being
the
ground
floor,
use
in
quite
a
fairly
busy
urban
area,
I'm
not
looking
to
have
the
apartments
at
that
lower
level
still
having
that
mixed
use.
So
there
was
an
element
of
amenity
for
future
residents
in
terms
of
that
space
there
it
is
quite
close
to
each
of
the
footpaths,
and
so
it
is
at
that
ground
level
on
some
quite
busy
streets,
so
that
was
certainly
one
of
the
key
drivers
to
it.
F
Well,
thank
you.
They
this
panel
already
approved
a
scheme
which
I
thought
was
absolutely
ghastly
and
said
so
at
the
time
it's
over
dominant
and
I
do
like
the
the
proposed
game
which
has
come
before
us,
but
on
the
rooftop
extension.
Could
I
just
ask
about
a
detail?
F
I
think
it
was
I
that
suggested
on
the
thorsby
building
that
the
rooftop
extension
big
glass
to
reflect
the
light
into
especially
rossington
street,
which
is
rather
narrow
and
can
be
rather
dark.
But
on
the
illustration
there
is
a
sort
of
a
dark.
F
Rib
or
edging
to
the
top
of
it,
and
I
also
noticed
that
there
are
struts
down
the
side.
Could
this
not
be
all
glass
so
that
when
you
are
further
away
it,
it
does
disappear
into
into
the
sky.
A
Thanks
to
nash
fellas,
do
you
want
to
speak
to
that
point?
I
think
if
materiology
bring
acting.
However,
you
want
to
answer
it.
Yeah.
M
Sure,
yeah
I'll
something
briefly
first,
just
the
the
a
lot
of
it
is
in
the
presentation
and
the
imagery
there,
but
it
will
be
a
very
fine
line
on
the
top.
That
will
just
be
a
detail
in
which
we'll
work,
through
with
sarah
and
phil,
in
terms
of
one
to
20
details
to
make
sure
it
is
a
very
fine
and
neat
finish.
The
the
vertical
fins
are
totally
protected
against
solar
gland.
Obviously,
glass
boxes.
M
C
And
judges
to
add
there
is
actually
some
hedging
around
the
edges
of
the
roof
terraces,
so
you
can
actually
see
a
little
bit
of
that.
So
those
solid
black,
oh
lucky,
dark
grain
greeny
edges-
could
could
be
some
of
that
as
well
because
they
are
showing
kind
of
because
that
is
something
we've
talked
about
as
well
in
terms
of
getting
some
hedging
around
the
edge.
So
you
didn't
get
lots
of.
You
couldn't
see
lots
of
paraphernalia
when
people
put
stuff
out
on
their
terraces.
A
B
I've
got
to
say
looking
at
this
and
when
we
went
around
this
morning,
it's
a
far
better
scheme
than
the
one
that
was
passed
and
we'll
all
go
into
that.
But
a
few
of
us
weren't
too
happy
about
about
that
scheme,
and
it's
far
far
better
than
that.
I
think
we're
gonna.
B
B
It's
going
to
be
more
there,
that
they're
quite
nice
and
the
metal
box,
all
our
pencil,
but
certainly
it's
far
far
better
than
what's
got
plenty
permission
previously
and
as
regards
having
the
mezzanine
levels
in
and
that
there's
a
couple
of
former
victorian
schools
in
my
ward,
where
they've
put
in
floors
like
that,
where
they've
had
these
really
big
large
windows
and
they
are
gorgeous
and
they
produce
a
wonderful
view
and
they
don't
affect
the
look
of
the
building
outside.
So
I'm
quite
happy
to
support
this.
B
As
I
said,
I'm
just
concerned
about
how
it
finished
up
looking
and
I
think
we've
got
to
go
with
this.
J
Thanks
chair
I'll,
be
quite
brief,
which
is
always
a
rarity.
I
think
this
is
actually
a
yeah
a
fairly
decent
proposal.
I
I
agree
the
the
original
one
wasn't
perhaps
one
of
the
finest
pieces
of
architecture
to
ever
grace.
This
committee
is
going
to
bring
an
unused
building
back
into
use.
J
A
We've
got
a
mover
I'll.
Bear
that
in
mind
we're
going
to
bring
other
members
of
indicated.
So
next
is
at
council,
wadsworth
and
council
and
nation
council
camp.
K
The
previous
scheme
that
was
consented
had
the
horrible
roof
extension
and
I
think
stephen
did
sell
it
to
us
in
the
end
and
and
sarah
has
done
a
good
salesman
job
on
the
rooftop
extension.
This
time
I
think,
on
par
when
you
get
the
two
together
on
the
on
the
slides
that
we've
seen,
I
think
it's
better.
K
I
think
it
will
be
more
visible
than
we're
led
to
believe
it
will
be,
and
I
think
council
nash's
view
around
getting
rid
of
that
line
along
the
top,
so
it
blends
into
the
sky,
but
this
the
sky
is
grey,
quite
often
in
leeds,
so
it
doesn't
really
matter.
Does
it
too
much?
It's
never
going
to
fit
the.
K
It's
it's
a
good
use
for
the
building
the
mezzanines.
I
just
have
worries
about
how
they're
going
to
be
heated.
There
is
some
mezzanines
on
the
city,
island
project
which
are
dreadful,
they're
dreadful
to
look
at
they're,
dreadful
to
live
in
and
they're
dreadful
to
heat
from
what
I've
helped
get
from
people.
Who've
lived
in
them
and
it's
just
about
getting
it
right
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
I
expect
that
they,
the
extra
story
that's
going
on,
will
be
getting
that
right.
K
A
Thanks
councilwood
colleagues
will
note
that
there's
in
10.43
there's
discussion
about
connecting
to
the
district
heating
system,
for
example,
and
use
of
source
heat
pumps,
well
various
top
forms
of
people
technology.
So
that's
probably,
I
think
we've
moved
on
a
step
from
city
island.
I
think
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
materials
and
design
it
it
does.
Indeed,
physics
is
not
that
different
from
2020
from
the
year
2000
castle,
nash,.
F
Well,
I'd
like
to
know
who
it
was
who
voted
for
the
previous
scheme,
because
I
didn't-
and
everybody
is
saying
it's
ghastly
and
if,
if
we
don't
approve
this
scheme-
and
this
isn't
the
reason
why
I'm
voting
for
it
now?
But
if
we
don't
approve
this
scheme,
then
we'll
be
reverting
back
to
the
ghastly
scheme
that
obviously
the
majority
of
this
panel
voted
for.
In
the
first
place.
F
F
Well,
I
think
we
would
all
like
original
buildings
to
stay
exactly
as
they
are
from
the
outside,
but
if
the
the
only
way
that
listed
buildings
or
old
buildings
can
be
preserved
is
to
find
another
use
for
them,
and
the
only
way
this
can
be
viable
is
to
have
extensions
so
that
there
are
sufficient
residential
accommodation
to
pay
for
the
restoration
of
the
building.
F
I
have
to
say
I'm
very
pleased
indeed
that
the
front
door
on
woodhouse
lane,
although
not
to
be
the
main
entrance,
is
to
be
used
as
a
secondary
entrance,
and
I
think
the
majority
of
residents
will
use
it.
It
was
discounted
before
when
it
was
totally
office
space
because
it
wasn't
accessible
to
all,
but
there
will
be
an
accessible
entrance
into
the
fall
course,
and
I
think
a
very
good
job
has
been
done
with
that.
C
And
just
a
point
on
the
cleaning,
counselor
nash.
Yes,
we
thought
about
that
too,
and
we
said
that
to
the
applicants,
so
we
asked
them
if
they
were
considering
cleaning
we'd,
put
a
condition
on
on
that
basis,
for
the
methodology.
I
Well,
normally
sure
at
this
point
I'll
be
mentioning
affordables,
I
think
we've
had
it
explained
to
us
if
effectively,
this
is
policy
compliant.
I
don't
like
it,
but
it's
policy
compliant
and
I
have
to
say
it's
been
a
first
for
me.
These
empty
building
credits-
and
I
didn't
know
about
those-
and
I
hope
there
aren't
too
many
more
of
them
coming
the
path.
I
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
what
everybody
else
has
said,
but
I
think
there
are
two
things
that
struck
me
on
site
today
and
I
asked
a
question
of
the
developers
and
within
the
building.
I
There
are
a
number
of
original
features
and
there
are
areas
that
are
covered
in
a
sort
of
a
glazed
brick
which
was
typical
of
the
time,
but
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
be
careful
that
we
don't
lose
that
glazed
element
within
the
building,
because
it's
a
fairly
unique
piece
of
it's
an
architectural
feature,
and
I
wouldn't
like
that
to
go.
I'm
assuming
we're
hanging
on
to
all
the
rest
of
the
the
cast
iron
work
and
all
the
rest
of
it,
which
is
sort
of
typical,
victorian
school
stuff.
I
I
I
think,
the
the
issue
on
the
roof.
I
know
we
all
say
it's
a
lot
better
than
it
was
before
and
not
none
of
us
are
admitted
to
voting
for
it,
but
I
have
to
say
I
don't.
I
I'm
never
sure
that
that
using
the
argument
that
well,
if
we
don't
give
this
permission,
they'll
go
back
and
build
that
he's
ever
that
valid,
because
if
they
were
going
to
do
that,
they
wouldn't
be
here
with
the
apply
application
now.
I
I
I
have
to
say
that
I'm
sort
of
75
there
and
the
problem
I
have,
of
course,
is
that
the
detailing
we're
given
really
doesn't
give
me
the
opportunity
to
visualize
what
it
might
look
like,
and
I
think
I'm
a
bit
like
liz.
I
I,
as
I
said
on
site
tour
that
I'd
like
the
idea
that
the
the
glass
floated
on
top
of
the
building,
rather
than
being
heavy
or
the
the
metal
struts.
I
What
we're
calling
them,
which
I
understand
about
solar
game,
whether
they
become
the
feature
that
you
see,
and
so
can
I
put
up
a
marker
for
a
discussion
with
officers
or
officers
to
have
a
discussion
with
the
applicant
about
effectively
making
it
as
liz
says,
as
much
a
glass
as
possible
and
as
little
metal
as
possible,
and
I
think
that
helps
lighten
that
whole
facade.
A
E
Similarly,
to
councillor
campbell,
I
am
concerned
about
the
affordables
but,
as
has
been
pointed
out,
there's
nothing
that
we
can
do
about
that.
I
do
support
the
users
residential
I've
got
some
concerns
about
the
office.
Use
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
going
to
be
viable
in
the
long
term.
But
again
it's
not
my
not
my
building
so
yeah
I
mean
I'm
not
happy
with
the
housing
mix
or
affordables,
but
there's
nothing
to
be
done
with
that.
So
I
suppose
I'll
grudgingly
support
this.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
for
that
note
on
the
photos
and
I
don't
disagree.
Councillor
campbell,
you
wanted
to
come
back
again.
I
Sharing
my
enthusiasm
forgot
something.
Can
I
raise
the
issue
of
token
planting
now
we
on
this
is
a
site
that
really
emphasizes
the
point.
I've
made
on
more
than
one
occasion
about
city
centre
is
that
you
come
along
to
us
and
say
there's
a
bit
of
greenery
and
it
is
a
bit
of
greenery.
I
You
know.
Even
if
it's
a
hedge,
that's
that's
now.
I
appreciate
that
the
site
itself
does
not
lend
it
itself
to
a
substantial
piece
of
green
space
work,
but
I
often
think
that
things
like
this-
it's
hardly
worth
bothering
because
they're
not
likely
to
get
maintained
or
that
the
maintenance
will
be
limited.
I
They
don't
really
fulfill
a
function,
and
so
I
I
think
it's
a
case
of
saying
how
do
we
look
at
developments
like
this
and
in
effect
pool
the
green
space
elements
of
those
into
a
meaningful
space
within
the
center
somewhere,
and
I
just
throw
that
one
in
because
I
think
we
need
to
keep
repeating
that
we
need
some
green
spaces
for
people
who
live
residential.
This
is
going
to
be
a
residential.
I
I
was
I've
said
it
before.
I
If
it's
a
pleasant
summer
evening,
where
do
you
go
out
and
sit
and
there
isn't
anywhere,
then
that's
a
problem.
C
And
just
to
say,
yep
totally
take
on
board
what
you're
saying-
and
I
absolutely
agree.
You
know
we
should
be
pushing
for
as
much
greenery
as
possible
on
schemes,
but
it
has
to
be
right
and
it
has
to
be
kind
of
appropriate
and
and
not
a
token
gesture.
It
needs
to
be
thought
through
and
a
proper
landscape
scheme
needs
to
be
worked
up
up.
C
So
that's
something
that
I
will
expect
the
applicants
to
be
looking
at
and
getting
a
landscape
architect
on
board
to
work,
work
at
open
to
work
up
a
scheme
that
works
with
the
student
scheme
so
that
we
do
make
the
best
of
the
space
we've
got.
We've
got
limited
space,
as
you
said
quite
rightly,
but
it
need
we
need
to
maximize
on
that,
and
a
good
landscape
architect
would
be
able
to
work
the
two
schemes
together
and
make
them
be
a
cohesive
space.
A
N
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
I
mean
the
majority
of
members.
Well,
all
members
are
supportive
of
the
scheme.
N
There
have
been
some
concerns
raised
about
ensuring
that
we
get
the
detailing
of
the
roof.
Extension
right
and
and
officers
will
engage
with
the
applicant
to
make
sure
that's
as
lightweight
as
possible.
The
one
members
more
than
one
member
has
raised
the
the
fact
that
they're
not
completely
happy
with
the
affordable
housing
position,
but
accept
that
that's
a
a
policy
and
both
the
national
local
policy
position
compliant
position,
but
but
overall
members
are
supportive
of
the
scheme
and
it's
been
moved
for
approval.
Thank
you.
Chad,.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
Given
that
can
I
have
showing
hands
in
favor,
I
think
that's
unanimous,
no
against
no
abstentions!
Julie!
Pass!
Thank
you
very
much
folks,
thanks
for
attending
folks.
A
A
We
have
to
rearrange
the
room
as
we
get
back
into
more
normal,
spacing
right
agenda
item
name,
which
is
the
preamp
for
the
redevelopment
to
the
land
of
water
lane
holdback,
so
so
we're
in
your
hands
once
again.
C
Thank
you,
chet
and
I'll.
Just
do
a
really
brief
introduction
to
the
scheme,
just
to
say
that
it
is
for
a
residential
scheme
that
number
of
units
is
incorrect
and
it's
also
slightly
wrong
on
part
of
the
report.
We've
had
a
number
of
iterations
of
this
one,
so
it's
actually
360
residential
units
in
the
scheme.
C
At
the
moment,
unless
tim's
going
to
tell
me
different
today
in
step
blocks
and
just
to
say,
it's
also
an
area
that's
identified
for
housing
in
the
allocations,
so
obviously,
from
that
point
of
view
it
was
supportive
of
it
and
I'll
hand
over
to
the
guys
to
to
crack
on
with
the
presentation.
L
L
L
You
may
have
come
across
my
colleagues
on
previous
applications.
We've
last
year
we
secured
planning
on
wellington,
street
and
office
development
in
wellington
street
and
more
recently,
this
summer,
we've
secured
planning
for
the
student
scheme
at
the
leonardo's
building
just
next
door
to
the
previous
applicant.
L
What
I'll
do
is
I'll
hand
over
to
tim,
our
architect,
who
will
take
you
through
our
presentation?
Thank
you.
O
Good
afternoon
members,
so
so
I
think
you
walked
around
the
site
this
morning,
so
probably
won't
dwell
on
location
and
so
on,
but
it's
very
well
connected
very
much
an
underused
site
and
obviously,
in
the
context
of
the
scheme,
that's
been
committed
already
on
the
middlemeal
site.
We
think
this
could
be.
You
know
a
really
quite
exciting
addition
to
it
very
much.
O
Our
approach
as
you'll,
see
in
the
scheme
is,
is
about
complementing
the
current
proposals
and
if
the
two
can
come
together,
I
think
it
really
will
be
a
very
exciting
scheme.
So
would
you
mind
going
forward
so
some
photos-
and
you
know,
as
I
say,
it's
very
much
underused
and
you
know
sort
of
a
prime
development
site.
O
O
You
know
is
something
that
we
want
to
follow
and
complement,
and
you
know
I
think,
with
the
midland
mills
tower
very
early
on
the
discussions
we
had
with
sarah
and
her
team
was,
you
know
the
scheme
should
shouldn't
compete
with
that
scheme
and
I
think
you
know
that's
been
very
much
part
of
the
driving
behind.
You
know
the
concepts
we've
got
in
front
of
you
today.
O
Thank
you,
sarah,
and
just
a
quick
shot
of
the
of
the
approved
scheme.
Just
it's.
It's
probably
showing
the
car
park
little
bits
doing
a
lot
of
flattering
it
a
little
bit,
so
you
can
probably
see
in
this
slide
the
area
where
our
scheme
will
occupy,
basically
where
the
car
park
is
with
the
trees.
Thank
you,
sarah.
O
So
we've
we've
had
some
really
good
dialogue
with
officers
and
I
have
to
say
the
schemes
got
really
improved
throughout
that
dialogue.
So
we've
had
three
preamp
meetings,
you'll,
probably
see.
O
We
also
have
pulled
back
the
northern
facade
back
away
from
the
boundary,
so
it's
a
reveal
more
of
the
historic
mills
building,
particularly
as
you
come
in
off
water
lane
and
you'll
see
that
in
some
of
the
visuals
and
then
some
of
the
later
discussions,
we've
had
have
really
been
concentrating
on
the
form
of
the
taller
building,
and
it
was
considered
that
some
of
our
previous
proposals
were
a
bit
blocky.
The
towers
felt
a
little
bit
wide,
perhaps
not
in
keeping
with
some
of
the
other
buildings
in
the
area.
O
So
we've
worked
really
hard
to
sort
of
slim
that
down,
you
know,
get
it
down
to
about
20-24
meters
wide,
which
again
is
sort
of
consistent,
not
only
with
the
midland
tower,
but
also
other
buildings
in
the
area.
O
So
some
of
the
key
benefits
the
scheme
delivers.
I
think,
first
of
all,
it's
it's
bringing
a
very
much
an
underused
site.
Bringing
that
forward.
O
A
key
benefit
that
we've
obviously
pursued
throughout
is
to
create
a
link
from
bath
road
through
our
sites,
potentially
through
the
mills
building,
as
was
indicated
in
their
permitted
scheme,
but
certainly
through
the
site
off
bathroom
onto
water
lane,
and
it's
designing
in
a
you
know,
a
generous
sort
of
green
finger
that
runs
through
the
site.
We
can't
guarantee
the
connection
onto
bathroom
at
the
moment,
but
that's
something
very
much.
O
Our
client
is
going
to
have
discussions
with
adjoining
landowners
to
try
and
bring
that
forward
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
building
form,
it's
pretty
much
two
buildings
that
are
connected
a
ground
floor,
so
it
is
a
build
to
rent
scheme.
So
having
that
connection
of
ground
floor
is,
is
important,
so
pretty
much
a
single
point
of
entry
that
you
can
then
work
your
way
through
the
building,
but
we've
articulated
as
two
building
forms
that
try
and
add
visual
interest
by
interlocking
rectangles
and
it's
a
variety
of
scale
as
well.
O
We've
also
worked
really
hard
to
sort
of
tuck
away
as
much
of
the
car
parking
as
we
can
out
of
view.
So
some
of
our
previous
proposals
we're
actually
using
the
green
finger
to
have
to
sort
of
site
car
parking
again
through
some
really
good
discussions.
We've
had
with
sarah
and
her
team
we've
now
located
the
bulk
of
the
parking
into
a
sort
of
a
podium
parking
area
which
will
have
a
sort
of
podium
deck
over
the
top
and
a
green
wall
along
the
facade,
as
well
so
very
much
out
of
view.
O
The
sun
path
because
of
the
orientation
on
the
site.
So
you're.
Looking
at
the
plan
where
the
north
is
pointing
to
the
left,
so
we've
kept
the
heights
down
on
the
southern
boundary
and
we've
created
a
gap
between
the
two
buildings
again
to
sort
of
get
as
much
natural
sunlight
into
the
amenity
areas,
as
we
can.
O
Thank
you,
sarah
and
then
just
to
show
that
we
have
some
done.
Some
studies
just
to
check
our
our
building
width
is
consistent
with
other
buildings,
so
we've
just
taken
some
of
the
some
of
the
buildings
either
permitted
or
on
site
at
the
moment,
sort
of
tabulated
those
in
a
diagram
at
the
top.
Just
to
give
you
that
comfort
that
you
know,
I
think
we've
now
got
to
a
width
that
is
in
keeping
with
with
the
other
buildings
in
the
area.
O
So
this
is
the
the
master
plan,
drawing
and
as
you'll
see
as
part
of
a
build
to
rent
products.
Outdoor
immunity
space
is
really
important.
O
So
not
only
do
we
have
the
green
finger
running
through
the
site,
that's
for
public
use,
but
also
there's
a
a
considerable
amount
of
private
immunity
space
for
residents,
so
not
only
on
the
podium
deck,
which
is
at
the
heart
of
the
scheme
where
this
of
the
internal
amenity
space
will
sort
of
face
onto
and
and
open
out
onto,
but
we're
also
trying
to
use
as
much
of
the
roof
space
as
we
can
for
additional
immunity
space
and
what
that
does
is
create
different
character
areas
for
residents
and
when
we
have
the
landscape
architect
on
board.
O
Those
are
areas
that
we
can
work
up
in
more
detail
for
you.
We
have
allowed
additional
roof
space
which
we
haven't
provided
immediately
for
that
is
for
potential
future
pvs
or
if
we
are
going
to
go
down
an
air
source
heat
pump
rule
that
will
give
that
space
available.
So
we
tried
to
keep
that
flexibility
built
in
the
scheme
for
now.
O
Thank
you.
So
this
is
the
ground
floor.
So
we're
not
proposing
to
put
any
residential
units
on
ground
floor,
so
the
bulk
of
it
is
is
car
parking.
But,
as
I
say,
a
lot
of
the
car
parking
is
is
tucked
away
out
of
view,
and
so
we
have
some
of
the
additional
spaces.
O
O
You
can
also
see
a
sort
of
a
more
detailed
plan
of
that
green
finger
running
through
the
site
in
terms
of
its
width.
You
know
it's
45
meters
wide,
so
plenty
of
opportunity
to
do
something
really
interesting
with
the
landscaping
and
you'll
also
see
quite
a
dark
black
line
running
along
the
left
hand
side,
and
that's
where
we're
proposing
to
put
a
green
wall
a
little
image
on
the
top
left
hand
there.
O
O
We've
also
been
very
mindful
about
the
relationship,
the
building
to
the
to
the
railways
and
the
and
the
viaduct
of
the
breer,
and
so
we've
kept
sort
of
the
building
facade
back
so
that
we're
not
get
any
clashes
with
embankments
and
so
on.
We
do
have
to
respect
a
no
build
zone
as
well
with
network
rail,
so
that
will
inevitably
push
it
back
away
from
the
boundaries.
O
Thank
you,
sarah
and
then
just
onto
a
typical
floor.
So
two
main
cores.
O
We
provide
an
additional
means
of
escape
for
the
slightly
bigger
building
to
the
bottom
of
the
slide,
a
mixture
of
one
bed,
two
beds
and
three
beds
so
we're
looking
at
five
percent
one
bed,
one
person,
apartments,
50,
one
bed,
two
person
40
two
beds,
three
or
four
persons
and
five
percent
three
bedroom
apartments-
and
I
know
one
of
the
questions
for
you
today
is
whether
you're
happy
with
that
mix
and
I'm
sure
matthew
can
answer
any
questions
on
that.
O
We've
also
incorporated
a
considerable
amount
of
immunity
space,
so
in
terms
of
the
outdoor
immunity
space,
where
circa
23
of
the
site
area
is
allocated
for
outdoor
immunity,
space
and
internal
amenity
space
with
circa
5000
square
feet,
which
again
is
really
important
for
for
build
rent
schemes.
Thank
you.
Sarah.
O
All
the
units
will
be
designed
to
the
current
standards,
both
national
and
local,
and
looking
to
put
high
quality
living
accommodation
within
the
scheme,
as
well.
As
you
know,
good
quality
immunity
space
for
the
residents
as
well.
Thank
you,
sarah.
O
So,
in
terms
of
heights,
the
building
ranges
from
26
stories
at
its
tallest
point,
and
that
element
is
is
quite
slender,
as
we've
talked
about
really,
then
stepping
down
to
a
shoulder
building
of
sort
of
nine
stories.
O
It
does
pop
up
a
little
bit
onto
water
lane
up
to
ten
stories,
but
it's
really
trying
to
keep
the
shoulder
as
low
as
possible,
and
we've
tested
that
in
some
of
the
views
which
you'll
see
later
so
that's
the
taller
element
that
that
becomes
visible
and
sort
of
becomes
the
marker
for
the
site.
O
In
terms
of
the
appearance
I
mean
we're
quite
early
days,
but
again,
we've
had
some
very
good
direction
from
your
officers
which,
which
I
think
is
very
valid
and
works
really
well,
but
what
we
did
want
to
do
was
draw
on
the
materials
some
of
the
detailing
some
of
the
motifs
that
are
on
the
mills
building.
O
So
it
has
a
mills
type
sort
of
character
to
it,
but
we
wanted
to
make
it
very
much
feel
part
of
the
site
so
we're
looking
to
to
try
and
match
some
of
the
brick
work,
some
of
the
fenestration
details
and
even
some
of
the
roof
space.
You
know
using
this
of
the
corrugated
metal
and
trying
to
reflect
that
into
the
scheme
as
well.
O
Thank
you,
sarah,
and
then
we've
got
you
know.
We've
been
encouraged
to
keep
it
simple,
so
we
have
pulled
back
a
little
bit
from
some
of
the
detailing
and
I
do
agree.
I
think
it
does
need
to
have
a
simple
palette
and
a
simple
layer
of
detailing,
so
we've
designed
the
brickwork
to
emphasize
the
verticality.
So
that's
the
sort
of
the
top
left
precedent
image
so
strong,
vertical
piers
which
again
you'll
see
in
the
mills
building
and
then
with
a
sort
of
a
lighter,
horizontal
banding.
O
Looking
at
a
lighter
colored
material,
maybe
a
stone
like
material
again
picking
up
on
some
of
the
materials
used
in
the
mills
building
and
then
a
regular
pattern
of
windows,
that's
sort
of
consistent
across
all
the
elevations,
but
then
creating
some
subtle
differences
in
in
terms
of
the
different
types
of
buildings.
So
the
book
ends
having
a
sort
of
an
extra
layer
of
detailing
within
the
windows
that
isn't
in
this
of
the
lower
shoulder
buildings,
quite
subtle,
but
and
also
maybe
look
at
slight
variance
of
brick
color
as
well.
O
Thank
you
and
these
cements
have
early
elevations
just
to
sort
of
help.
You
understand
you
know
that
sort
of
simple
approach,
but
but
you
know
good
quality
sort
of
glazing.
You
know
good
amount
of
glazing,
so
regular
patterns
in
terms
of
balconies.
Against
some
of
our
earlier
schemes,
we
were
exploring
offsetting
the
balconies,
but
again
we
were
sort
of
encouraged
to
keep
it.
O
Keep
it
simple
and
have
the
balconies
line
up
we're
looking
at
about
25
balcony
provision,
that's
fairly
typical
for
a
build
to
rent
scheme,
and
I'm
sure
you've
heard
this
before.
But
it's
residents
are
encouraged
to
use
the
communal
immunity
spaces.
O
As
I
say,
we've
got
in
excess
of
five
thousand
square
feet
indoor
and
you
know
considerable
amount
of
outdoor
immunity
space
as
well,
so
where
we
are
providing
balconies
we're,
probably
looking
to
allocate
those
to
sort
of
three
beds
in
the
two
bed.
Accommodation.
O
Thank
you.
Sarah,
and
this
is
the
main
view
sketch
view
as
you're
coming
into
the
site,
and
and
this
for
us
is
an
important
view-
sort
of
close
view.
It's
the
main
entry
point
to
the
site,
but
also,
hopefully,
you
can
see
by
pulling
the
building
away
from
the
boundary.
O
As
you
may
be
aware,
when
you
looked
at
the
building
look
at
the
sites,
there
is
this
wall
in
front
of
midland
bill's
building.
We
hope
that
there'll
be
an
opportunity
to
take
that
away.
I
mean
we've
we've
designed
the
scheme
that
allows
for
that.
O
Should
the
adjoining
owners
want
to
do
that,
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
you
know,
a
massive
plus
point
for
the
overall
site,
but
also
you
can
just
see
in
this
view
as
well
the
green
wall
in
the
distance
too,
and
you
know,
I
think,
that's
the
right
approach
and
I
think
it
provides
a
bit
of
a
backdrop
as
well
for
the
mills
building
and,
finally,
you
can
see:
we've
we've
stripped
all
car
parking
from
the
front
of
the
site.
O
O
I
probably
won't
dwell
on
these
I'll,
probably
leave
it
for
questions,
but
we've
got
a
number
of
long-range
views,
all
of
which
we've
been
running
in
tandem
with
the
design
to
to
test
not
only
the
building
proportions,
but
also
to
sort
of
show
that
you
know
the
building,
I
think,
is
respectful,
particularly
to
the
east
of
some
of
the
historical
buildings
in
that
area.
A
G
Thank
you
I'll
go
through
everything,
so
I
might
do
my
quick
comments.
At
the
same
time,
if
you
don't
mind
chair,
there
were
two
things
on
there
that
that
aren't
necessarily
within
your
gift
to
give,
but
I
think
it's
worth
acknowledging
them
and
giving
them
the
strength
that
they
need
in
terms
of
removing
the
wall,
then
yeah
that
that
exactly
ties
into
what
you're
trying
to
do
with
the
scheme-
and
I
I
understand
that
it's
not
your
wall,
but
that's
certainly
something
that
we
want
to
say
so
that
you
get
that.
G
That
idea
that
it's
really
one
scheme,
one
area,
one
neighborhood
in
there
and
the
access
on
bath
road
as
well,
then
I
think
that
is
certainly
something
you'd
want
to
see,
because
this
provides
then
a
corridor
through
from
there
to
be
honest,
it's
more
for
people
coming
from
the
bathrood
area
and
coming
towards
through
your
site
and
into
town,
because
that
would
provide
a
much
better
route.
G
I
guess
they're
my
questions,
I'm
looking
at
the
oh
one
other
comment:
I
just
wanted
to
make
look
looking
at
the
slide,
which
showed
the
different
stages
you've
been
at.
I
think
that
really
showed
the
value
of
the
pre-app
process
that
we've
got,
because
I
can
see
exactly
where
the
conversations
with
officers
have
been
there
and
it's
great
to
see
that
it's
completely
different,
but
much
better
when
we're
seeing
the
the
final
size
of
the
buildings.
I
know
that
doesn't
go
into
the
other
detail.
G
I
guess
then,
I'm
going
to
come
on
to
the
landscaping
and
the
green
finger
so
to
speak
as
of
it,
because
I
think
with
the
site.
What
I'm
looking
at
here
is:
we've
obviously
got
360
residential
units.
We've
got
a
number
of
other
units
around
the
area,
all
tying
into
this
one
neighborhood
that
isn't
at
the
moment
the
most
attractive
place
to
walk
around
or
visit
or
or
probably
to
live.
But
this
scheme
is
one
of
those
that's
bringing
it
through
looking
at
it.
G
We've
obviously
only
got
50
car
parking
spaces
on
this
site,
so
we're
imagining
that
the
majority
of
people
will
come
walking
or
or
on
bike
to
the
site.
So
I
think,
when
you're
looking
at
that
green
finger
and
then
the
access
when
we
look
at
the
the
landscape
and
the
entrance,
the
access
to
the
site
being
I
get
there's
probably
a
paved
finish
or
something
there
that
we're
looking
at,
but
actually
it's
quite
a
traditional
curbed
entrance
to
a
site
that
really
that
will
only
be
used
by
a
few
services
and
50
cars.
G
As
far
as
I
see
in
the
building
I
mean
that
opens
the
question
of
then
water
lane
which
I
think
the
more
developments
that
come
in
this
area.
This
might
be
more
to
officers
than
others,
but
the
more
developments
we
get
in
the
area,
water
lanes
or
stands
out
as
a
somewhat
unattractive
road
to
wander
around-
and
I
know
we'll
know
about
that.
But
it's
interesting
then
looking
at
what
we
can
ask
from
the
developments
that
come
in
the
area
to
gradually
improve
that.
A
Thanks
peter,
do
you
want
to
come
in
first
of
all
and
then
then
sarah
can
piggle
the
points
to
officers
yeah.
O
Thank
you
for
that
yeah
we're
very
mindful
of
that.
That
arrival
experience.
Actually
we
we
we
have
so
I
may
have
slowly
misled
you.
We
have
actually
recently
engaged
with
a
landscape
architect
who
has
started
to
look
at
it.
Didn't
we
didn't
feel
their
proposal
were
quite
right
yet,
but
actually,
interestingly,
that
sort
of
thinking
you've
had
a
sort
of
a
shared
surface,
almost
what
they're
thinking
of
is
is
a
slightly
elevated
platform
that
you
arrive
on.
O
That's
also
like
a
traffic
calming
measure
as
well
for
any
cars,
so
that
you,
you
know
you're,
sort
of
slightly
blurring
sort
of
traffic
and
pedestrian
and
cycle
movements
through
the
site.
So
that's
certainly
the
thinking
we're
looking
at.
Perhaps
also
I
didn't
draw
your
attention
to
that.
O
The
sort
of
degree
I'm
calling
a
green
finger,
but
hopefully
on
what
I'm
saying
is,
is
actually
when
you
come
to
waterlane,
there's
actually
quite
a
large
bit
of
green
space
proposed
on
the
midland
mill
site
next
to
us
and
we're
looking
again
to
blur
those
two
together.
So
the
two
become
one
space.
So
I
think
when
you
have
the
two
together,
it
will
feel
a
lot
greener
than
perhaps
is
currently
indicated.
C
In
terms
of
kind
of
the
wider
area
and
and
waterline
itself,
there
are
other
schemes
that
are
contributing
to
highways,
works
improvements
on
water,
lane,
midland
mills,
next
door
being
one
of
them,
which
has
an
area
at
the
end
of
silver
street,
which
is
contributing
to
offside
highways
work.
So
I
would
expect
that
we
will
be
looking
at
extending
that
further
along
in
terms
of
wider
works,
because
they
see
that
they're
kind
of
there's
a
lot
of
stuff.
That's
a
bit
piecemeal
at
the
moment
in
terms
of
linking
to
developments.
C
E
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
that
there
is
there's
certainly
a
lot
going
on
in
terms
of
discussions
in
the
for
the
area,
and
you
know
there
are
aspirations
already
in
the
in
the
whole
spd
and
we
do
we.
We
have
historically
taken
public
realm
contributions
from
you
know
a
lot
of
the
developments
in
this
area,
so
I
think
it's
something.
Certainly
we
can
feed
back
and-
and
you
know,
look
to
see
what
can
be
achieved
here.
E
I
think
that
there
are
discussions
about
it's
not
just
about
the
the
surfacing
and
and
the
roots,
but
also
about,
I
suppose,
removing
removal
through
traffic
and-
and
you
know
that
whole
discussion
to
make
this
more
of
a
walkable
neighborhood.
So
those
discussions
are
clearly
ongoing
and
and
we'll
see
what
we
can
do
in
terms
of
making
sure
this
ties
in.
A
E
Thanks
chair
so
notice
on
slide
68,
there's
some
kids
playing
in
the
bottom
left
of
the
slide,
and
I
was
just
wondering
in
what
way
is
it
going
to
be
a
family-friendly
development
like
what
what
additional
family-friendly
infrastructure,
such
as
playgrounds
and
things
like
that?
Are
you
going
to
include
in
the
development.
O
Andrew
you
might
want
to
come
on
to
subfaria-wise,
but
but
there's
we
haven't
got
into
that
detail
yet,
but
there's
plenty
of
scope
for
children's
play
areas
within
the
landscaping
absolute
allocated
areas
we've
got
so
I
guess
that
will
be
our
next
stage
but
yeah
as
as
I
say,
you
probably
saw
the
amount
of
green
on
the
plan
and
we
haven't
sort
of
quite
pinpointed
where
they'll
go,
and
you
know,
I
think,
particularly
for
some
of
the
younger
years,
is
to
make
that
integral
within
the
landscaping.
E
So
so
it
is
intended
to
be
a
family
friendly
development
so
that
you
can,
you
are
intending
it
to
be
family
friendly.
L
I'll
just
I'll
just
pop
in
there
I
mean,
in
terms
of
the
the
public
open
space
it'll,
it's
going
to
be
family-friendly.
It's
going
to
be
friendly
for
everybody.
It's
going
to
be
open
to
the
general
public
in
terms
of
the
residence.
There
will
be
a
proportion
that
will
of
accommodation
which
will
be
suitable
for
families,
so
the
three
bed
apartments,
so
some
of
our
residents
will
quite
possibly
have
young
families
as
well.
So
there
will
be
appropriate
amenities
for
young
young
families
as
well.
L
E
If,
if
you
are
intending
to
have
families
living
there,
would
you
consider
increasing
the
amount
of
three-bedroom
provision
so
that
more
families
can
live
there.
L
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
the
mix
of
the
accommodation
that
this
this
is
derived
from
a
detailed
review
of
the
demographics
for
built
torrent
and
I'm
sure
it's
not
news
to
you-
that
the
demand
for
three
bedroom
apartments
isn't
a
very
strong
scene
of
demand.
L
L
All
we
can
do
is
provide
a
mix
which
is
geared
towards
where
the
demand
is
whether
it's
families
or
sharers.
It's
it's
it's
down
to
market
forces
in
terms
of
who's
likely
to
accommodate
those
three
bedroom
apartments.
E
Thank
you
for
being
patient
with
me,
so
so
yeah.
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
about
the
market
forces
and
things,
but
in
terms
of
good
quality,
new
developments
that
are
coming
forward.
The
majority
of
them
seem
to
be
in
the
city
center.
E
A
A
Generally
speaking
in
leeds,
it's
inevitable
that
bill
torren
in
the
city
centers
in
environs,
is
going
to
have
people
who
are
starting
families
in
them,
maybe
even
longer
than
that,
and
I
just
think
we
developers
and
officers
need
to
be
mindful
of
that,
and
this
is
why
I
like
pre-apps,
because
we
can
put
strong
markers
down
as
elected
members
as
to
to
what
foe
need
to
be
alive
to
and
and
considering
so
yeah.
I
very
much
agree
with
council
brooks
right,
wadsworth
you're
next.
K
Expect
to
be
so
soon,
it's
very
brief.
Actually,
it's
a
plea
for
more
balconies,
and
particularly
internally,
situated
balconies,
because
obviously,
external
balconies
do
give
you
a
wind
problem
with
with
draft,
but.
K
With
the
tyranny
that
we're
just
coming
out
of,
or
hopefully
we'll
come
out
of,
it,
balconies
are
invaluable
to
people
and
the
panel.
I've
heard
the
story
many
times,
but
I'll
tell
you
just
quickly,
for
you
is
I've
got
a
friend
who
has
been
shielding
for
six
months
and
she's
in
a
ninth
floor
council
flat
and
she's,
a
very,
very
small
balcony,
which
I
don't
go
out
on,
but
she
she
tells
me
that
it's
been
a
lifeline
and
she
would
have
been
here
if
she
hadn't
had
the
balcony.
K
She'd
have
been
jumping
off
the
non-balcony,
and
so
they
are
a
lifeline,
and
I
I
I
take
the
point
of
wanting
to
enhance
the
public
space
and
particularly
the
indoor
space,
but
you
might
not
always
be
able
to
use
it
in
place
in
times
when
we
have
a
lockdown.
Should
we
have
another
one
again,
so
private
balconies
are
something
that
I
would
encourage
you
to
put
in.
Where
you
can,
I
mean,
obviously,
if
you
can't
sell
flats
with
private
balconies,
you
won't
put
them
in.
I
mean
it's.
K
It
comes
back
to
council
brooks's
point.
If
you
can
sell
three
bedrooms,
I
guess
you'll
put
more
in
if
you
can't
sell
them
or
rent
them.
You
know
you
won't
put
them
in.
Will
you
it's
what
you
it's
what
you
can
rent,
but
I
would
plea
for
as
many
as
possible.
A
And
thus
began
the
great
balcony
wars
right.
Well,
no,
I
don't
disagree.
Council
buzzworth!
I
really
you
know
it's
a
point
well
made
lock
down
to
change
people's
opinions.
I
I
suffer
from
chronic
vertigo
there's
absolutely
nowhere
now
go
near
any
kind
of
balcony
in
any
kind
of
building.
However,
it's
it's
a
point.
Well
man!
You
don't
have
to
comment
folks,
but
I'm
I'm
sure
you've
taken
that
to
heart
councillor
cohen,.
J
Thank
you
chair.
I
look
forward
to
the
site
visit
the
97
floor
balcony
of
the
next.
I
know
who's
going
at
the
front.
Can
I
just
first
of
all
check
that
you,
you
are
intending
to
deliver
the
full
seven
percent
of
affordable.
L
Yes,
it
is
yes,
we're
we're
looking
for
a
policy
compliant
affordable,
so.
J
J
So
am
I
reading
that
correct
and
your
single
beds,
55
where's
the
policy
compliance
should
be
at
50
percent,
so
I'm
right
as
it
stands.
What
you're
asking
us
to
agree
to
today
is
a
non-policy
compliance
proposal.
J
You're
right,
chair,
strictly
accepts
that
we're
asked
three
questions
at
the
end,
once
we've
said,
do
we
once
we've
said
we're
satisfied
with
the
housing
mix
that
is
then
sealed
in
and
we
can't
revisit
it.
So
to
that
extent,
I
think
in
some
ways
the
language
is
unhelpful
for
colleagues,
because
actually
we
are
approving
that
if
we
say
yes
we're.
Okay
with
that
housing
mix,
so.
N
N
A
J
J
A
The
points
julie
know
that
council
are
going,
I
think,
officers
and
bring
council
sharing
in
a
second.
I
think,
officers
and
and
the
applicants
can
hear
the
fact
that
we
want
to
see
a
fully
compliant
foot
policy
compliant
in
all
aspects
of
policy.
Application
come
forward
that
includes
housing
mix,
as
well
as
various
other
things
that
we've
touched
on
so
far
in,
but
particularly
affordable,
making
of
climate
issues,
affordability,
family
friendliness
and
and
and
the
sensible
housing
makes
the
key
concerns
of
this
panel.
H
H
But
it's
quite
it's
about
well
380
houses
or
55
parking
spaces.
So
I
agree.
Not
many
people
may
need
a
parking
space
given
the
location
and
all
the
other
arguments,
but
actually,
I
think,
that's
perhaps
a
little
low,
because
people
come
visit,
friends
and
parkings
at
premium
around
that
site
and
I
tried
to
stop
at
the
the
speed
bank
a
while
back.
H
You
cannot
park
around
there,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
envisaged
there
might
be
a
problem
with
parking
people
coming
visiting
people
who
live
there,
because
that's
quite
a
lot
of
properties-
and
I
assume
they'll
all
know
somebody
who
might
possibly
visit
them
in
a
car
at
some
point.
Is
there
a
scope
to
increase
the
car
back.
M
It
it's
something
which
we're
trying
to
achieve
achieve
a
balance
on,
and
certainly
for
the
area
where
I
mean
officers
have
pushed
us
to
lower
the
car
parking.
The
midland
mill
scheme
next
door
had
zero
car
parking
for
over
300
apartments,
and
we
were
conscious
that
the
local
ward
members
did
have
some
concerns
about
zero
parking
for
that
number.
So
this
is
where
we're
trying
to
strike
that
balance
between
obviously
the
climate
issues
and
all
the
sustainable.
M
The
climate
change
points
with
regard
to
actually
lowering
car
provision
in
the
city
centre,
and
so
there's
a
push
for
that.
But
then
there's
a
also
seeking
an
avoidance
of
an
impact
on
street
parking
into
the
wider
whole
back
area
and
sarah's
report
touches
on
some
of
the
controls
that
will
cover
that.
M
So
it
is
all
about
trying
to
achieve
that
balance,
and
hopefully
we
we
will
be
on
that
from
again
a
lot
of
other
schemes
in
the
city
center
that
are
10
to
15
percent
circumvision,
some
even
lower,
and
so
hopefully
this
this
balance
with
trying
to
achieve
all
the
other
space
requirements
and
a
push
again
from
the
positive
100
cycle.
Provision
which
we're
getting
very
close
to,
albeit
not
everybody
wants
a
cycle.
I
appreciate.
H
That
that
wouldn't
be
for
me-
and
thank
you
for
that-
and
I
agree
with
cabo
neutral
and
everything,
but
this
is
it
is
the
city
center,
but
actually
it's
more
holbeck,
isn't
it
depending
on
which
side
of
the
river
you
actually
know
and
live
and
come
from
so
I
think
you're
right.
It
will
impact
on
holbeck
ward,
far
more
than
city
center.
A
Thank
you.
So
I've
got
councillor
campbell
next.
I
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
your
point
about
visitor
parking
is
valid.
Actually,
in
that
I
know,
we've
accepted
sometimes
reluctantly
very
limited
residential
parking
on
site.
If
you
do
go
to
visit
people,
I
mean
the
bus.
Is
this?
The
bus
this
morning
had
a
problem
looking
for
somewhere
to
stop.
So
I
think
that's
an
issue.
I
A
N
In
terms
of
space
standards,
it's
about
the
size
of
the
bedroom,
so
you
know
you
can
you
can
get
a
a
studio
which
is
a
one
bedroom
apartment,
but
there's
no
reference
in
the
space
standards
to
a
studio.
A
studio
is
still
a
one
bedroom
apartment,
as
is
a
one
bed.
Wood
bed
where
you've
got
a
layout
where
you've
got
a
separate
bedroom
and
and
the
living
accommodation
etc
separate.
But
those
one
bedrooms
with
a
double
bed
in
will
be
a
two
person.
I
No,
the
question
I'm
specifically
asking
you
is
my
understanding.
Is
the
council
has
a
single
standard
for
a
war
for
a
one
bedroom
flat?
There
is
no
difference,
so
the
space
has
to
be
the
same
for
a
one
person
flat
or
a
two
person
flat.
N
In
standard
terms,
there's
no
difference,
we
would
be
asking
for
the
same
standard,
so
the
minimum,
I
think,
is
37
square
meters
depending
on
how
the
bathroom
is
laid
out
plus.
So
you
know
that's
what
we'd
be
expecting
for
a
one
bed
occupancy.
N
Now
there
are
so
I
haven't
got
the
standards
in
front
of
it,
but
there
are
different
levels
depending
on
the
level
of
person
occupancy.
So
I
think
it
might
be
different
for
two
two
person
occupancy
and
then
it
increases
with
you
know
for
two
beds
and
so
on.
So,
but
I
haven't
got
the
standards
in
front
of
me,
but
but
in
this
case
I
think
if,
if
you're
saying
is,
is
this
proposal
going
to
be
policy
comply
in
terms
of
space
standards?
N
I
Forgive
me
for
laboring
it,
but
at
no
point
when
we've
discussed
space
standards
in
the
past
have
we
talked
about
the
principle
that
if
there's
only
one
person
in
the
flat
it's
slightly
smaller
than
if
there's
two
people
in
it.
So
when
did
that
happen,
because
I
I
I
must
have
missed
that.
N
I
D
I
A
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
answer
your
questions
councillor
campbell
very
shortly,
to
bear
with.
A
N
So,
in
terms
of
the
space
standards
for
a
one
bed,
one
person
apartment
is
30
39
square
meters
in
brackets
37,
and
I
think
that's
the
difference
between
the
bathroom
areas
and
for
a
one
bed
two-person
apartment
depending
on
the
number
of
stories
it's
either
50
square
meters
or
58
square
meters.
G
Sorry,
I
might
be
coming
in
and
being
unhelpful
because,
because
what
I'm
looking
at
in
this
is
is
page
114,
which
states
that
we've
got
some
one-bedroom
apartments
of
40
square
meters
which
meet
that
lowest
threshold
and
some
one-bedroom
apartments
are
46
square
meters.
But
I'm
not
I'm
assuming
the
46
square
meter
ones
are
the
ones
we
assume
two
people
are
going
to
be
living
in.
Although
how
we're
going
to
make
sure
two
people
don't
live
in
the
smaller
one,
I
don't
know
I.
G
I
was
being
very
simplistic
in
my
uptake
before
of
of
saying
37
square
meters.
Although
there's
a
if
you
move
the
bath
there's
another
one.
Apparently
anything
over
37
for
one
bed
is
fine,
but
am
I
therefore
of
the
assumption
given
delta's
explanation
that
anything
over
37
isn't
fine?
If
we
then
need
to
take
into
account
how
many
people
may
live
there,
because
you
may,
you
may
have
a
one
bed
apartment
with
two
people
and
a
baby
living
in
it
quite
easily
in
many
areas
or
one
bed,
house,
etc.
A
O
Thank
you
chair.
These
are
probably
referring
to
the
nationally
described
space
standards
which
are
now
a
national
standard
which
so
so
they
they
do
refer
to
a
one
bed.
One
person
I
think
in
in
layman's
terms
that's
a
studio
and
you
can
fit
double
bedroom,
a
double
bed
in
there,
but
it
is
designed
for
one
person.
So
it's
a
one
bed,
one
person
or
studio
the
other
one
at
46
square
meters
I
apologize,
but
that
should
be
50
square
meters.
O
I
Can
I
just
get
a
legal
view,
then,
because
the
council
has
its
own
policy
and
I,
if
my
memory
is
correct,
there
were
national
guidelines
and
we
had
to
amend
the
core
strategy
of
my
memories,
correct,
to
bring
in
some
local
guidelines
which
covered
leeds
now,
which
takes
precedence.
L
Councillor
campbell,
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
specifics
of
the
policies
you
mentioned,
but
it's
the
policies
in
the
core
strategy
which
will
always
take
precedence
because
that
forms
part
of
the
what's
the
biggest
part
of
the
development
plan.
I
I
suppose
in
this
case,
actually
we're
not
arguing
around
the
minimum
standard.
Are
we
because
they?
These
are
slightly
above,
but
it's
an
inter
it'll
be
an
interesting
discussion
with
the
net
when
we
get
the
next
application,
which
has
them
in
a
relative?
Well,
when
they're
small
can
I
can.
I
ask
a
couple
of
questions.
Sorry
about
that
you've
mentioned
you've
mentioned
affordables.
You've
said
you'll,
be
policy
compliant
we've
had
the
district
valuer
here
is
the
site
viable?
I
That's
a
nod!
So
that's
a
yes
okay,
so
you
won't
be
asking
for
us
to
set
aside
that
balconies
councillor
gruen's,
not
here,
but
she
always
raises
the
issue
of
balconies
and
in
particular
the
size
of
balconies.
Is
it
a
usable
space
rather
than
just
you're
squashed
up
against
the
wall,
but
you
can
look
out
if
you
want
to
so
I
think
we
need
to
make
it
clear
that
we'd
expect
the
balconies
to
be
usable.
I
Now
you
certainly
haven't
had
three
goals
on
the
on
the
landscaping.
Quite
frankly,
and
this
is
at
best
insipid
and
at
worst
uninspiring.
I
If
you
are
saying
to
us,
we
want
a
quality
development,
then
what
I
can't
understand
is
why
you
can't
show
us
the
quality
landscaping
that
goes
with
it,
because,
even
if
it's
only
aspirational,
if,
if
I
take
the
artist's
impression
there
that
is
really
below
standard
in
my
opinion-
and
it
seems
to
me
that
if
developers
took
as
much
trouble
over
the
landscaping
around
their
buildings
as
they
do
about
the
rest
of
it,
we
wouldn't
have
a
lot
of
the
struggles
that
we
do
have.
I
I
In
the
last
10
years,
you've
touched
on
the
issue
of
three
bedrooms
and
the
possibility
of
a
family
use,
and
you
said,
there's
been
some
basic
research
about
the
numbers
that
you
feel
you
need
to
provide.
Okay
did
that
research
actually
differentiate
between,
I
suppose
three
individuals
renting
at
renting
a
flat
together
or
a
family.
What's
there
a
differentiation
between
that
and
if
there
was,
can
you
tell
us
the
proportions?
M
Sure,
just
three
three
questions
there
then
one,
I
suppose,
both
in
terms
of
the
landscaping
this
is
this
is
emerging.
Tim
won't
profess
to
be
a
landscape
architect.
This
is
one
of
tim's
drawings.
M
We've
had
a
landscape
architect
on
board
for
only
a
couple
of
weeks,
so
that
we
didn't
feel
their
scheme
has
actually
evolved
enough
and
today,
as
it
is
a
presentation
with
an
emerging
scheme
where,
as
you've
seen
in
the
pre-op
slides,
the
scale
and
mass
has
moved
around
as
we've
talked
to
them
to
offices
in
the
last
month
or
two.
That
was
the
focus
of
of
the
efforts
and
not
the
landscaping.
That's
something
clearly
we'll
go
forward
with
with
those
connections
through
to
bus
road.
M
While
we
talked
about
and
engaging
with
the
developer
on
the
midland
mills
side
as
well,
to
make
one
coherent
approach,
and
also
with
highways
offices
as
to
the
type
of
type
of
street.
So
that's
something
which
is
emerging.
Do
you
just
want
to
clarify
that
on
the
viability
side
is
something
again,
it's
an
emerging
scheme
that
it
will
be
continued
to
be
reviewed,
so
we
can't
make
any
promises
absolutely
today,
but
continuing
to
to
look
at
that.
Clearly,
the
number
of
units
has
changed,
since
even
the
some
of
the
panel
presentation
was
prepared.
M
L
A
Okay,
I
mean
that's
fair
enough,
but
you
can
clearly
see
where,
where
we're
going
is
a
panel
with
our
thoughts
regarding
this,
I'm
not
seeing
any
more
indicators
of
questions
for
the
council
campbell
yeah
go
for
it.
I
Quick
one
that
just
struck
me
sorry,
you
said
you'd
be
compliant
on
affordables.
Will
the
affordables
be
on.
H
A
A
Fantastic,
okay,
thanks
colleagues,
in
that
case,
let's,
if
I
was
getting
any
other
points
to
raise,
let's
move
to
it
in
section
8,
there's
three
questions
that
we've
been
asked
to
consider
as
part
of
the
paper,
so
first
of
all
is
8.2.
Do
members
have
any
comments
on
the
proposed
housing
mix?
Well,
I
think
officers
and
applicants
have
heard
at
length
our
thoughts
on
this.
We
are
wanting
a
policy
compliant
proposal
and
that
re
that's
in
respect
to
all
aspects,
including
housing
mix.
A
I
think
if
any
research
can
be
shared
with
officers,
that's
very
welcome,
but
we
have
a
housing
mix
for
good
reason.
Any
other
further
comments,
members
on
that
nope,
okay,
council,
cohen,
yeah,
cos.
J
I
must
confess
I
mean
I
was
noting
the
three
bed.
I
hear
what
colleagues
say.
I
I'm
more
inclined
to
believe
that
city
centre
three
beds
are
predominantly
going
to
be
three
friends
renting
together
rather
than
families.
I
I
no,
I
don't
I'm
giving
a
view,
that's
what
I'm
here
to
do,
I'm
here
to
give
a
view.
J
A
I
think
well,
it's
a
point.
No
council
current.
I
think
a
lot
of
councils
representing
in
in
the
city
was-
and
those
are
wards-
are
compromised
parts
of
the
city
center.
I
think
in
terms
of
the
the
use
of
housing
we
won't
see,
we
won't
want
to
see
the
city
center
as
a
place
that
some
families
are
going
to
to
live
in.
There
are.
There
are
excellent
schools
and
other
services
in
the
center
these
days
20
years
ago.
That
wasn't
the
case,
so
we
need
to
see
that
reflected
in
developments.
K
Because
it
doesn't
really
make
a
great
deal
of
difference,
you
know
we
just
need
to
bottom,
I
mean
for
me.
I
just
think
it
should
be
one
bedroom
suitable
for
one
or
two
people,
but
I
just
think
when
it
comes
to
decision
time,
we
just
need
to
bottom
it
out.
Otherwise
we
shall
have
the
discussion
all
over
again.
E
Yeah
I
just
want.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
my
comments
regarding
the
three
bedroom
and
demand
for
three
bedrooms
doesn't
come
from.
E
Nowhere
like
I
am
dealing
with
a
lot
of
really
sad
like
heartbreaking
housing
case
work
where
families
are
living
in
overcrowded
conditions
and
like
they
want
to
live
in
a
house
but
can't
live
in
a
house.
E
We
can't
build
out
more
houses
because
we
don't
have
the
space
for
it.
So
the
only
logical,
the
only
logical
place
for
families
to
live
and
still
live
in
the
city
centre
now
is
in
blocks
of
flats,
so
that
that's
why
I'm
so,
I
suppose,
militant
on
the
issue
and
I'm
sorry
for
interrupting
you.
Councillor
gohan.
J
Firstly,
no
no
no
offense
taken
at
all
at
the
interruption
because
it
was
an
important
point.
I
was
simply-
and
I
was
not
I'd-
want
to
be
very
clear-
I'm
not
for
one
second
denigrating
councillor
brooke's
lived
experience.
A
G
I
was
just
gonna
say
I
mean
we
haven't
really
seen
what
the
building's
going
to
look
like.
So
I
know
councillor
campbell
was
very
clear
about.
I
was
it
councillor
wadsworth
we
seem
to
have
been
going
around
for
a
while
around
making
sure.
What
dolce
here
is
is
the
right
thing
for
any
question.
G
A
I
I
think
I'd
occur,
your
point.
We
you
can't,
we
can't
really
come
out
on
the
building,
because
we
haven't
got
a
decent
design.
I
think
you're
right,
though,
when
we
were
on
site
this
morning
we
talked
about
the
the
massing
of
the
the
particular
elements
of
this
and
I
think
okay
probably
be
tweaked
before
they
come
to
finish,
but
the
the
principle
of
the
larger
building
sort
of
at
the
back
of
towards
the
railway,
the
the
disused
railway
was
the
this
idea
and
lower
buildings
at
the
at
the
front.
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
concur
it.
It
there's
been
pro
and
progress
demonstrated
through
the
evolution
application
and
that's
that's
much
appreciated.
I
think
it's
very
much
in
the
right
place
with
regard
to
that.
So
no
other
comments
on
that.
Okay,
so
8.4.
The
member
support
the
approach
to
car
parking
provision.
The
location
seems
to
be
okay
with
that
it
is
in
line
with
typical
city
center
stuff
councilwork.
A
Just
a
bit
of
background,
although,
although
one
thing
I
would
know
is
I
very
much
agree
with
sharon
as
the
point
she
raised,
that
can
it
handle
the
sheer
amount
of
deliveries
in
this
brave
and
new
world
of
online
everything
that
we've
seen.
That's
my
only
slight
concern,
but
I
think
that
that
can
be
accommodated.
Council
carl.
You
want
to
come
in.
G
I'll
come
in
because
people
were
looking
at
me
at
this
particular
point,
because
I'm
a
big
advocate
of
people
who
live
in
the
city
centre,
not
necessarily
needing
the
car.
That
doesn't
mean,
however,
that,
where
where
I
completely
agree
with
and
the
problem
is,
is
in
taxis
that
turn
up
deliveries
that
turn
up
visitors
that
come
they're,
the
people
that
come
in
a
car.
G
So
the
point
about
there
being
space
for
those
cars
that
are
visiting
and
those
vehicles
that
are
visible
to
go
is
is
a
very
important
one,
because
they're
the
ones
that
are
just
strewn
anywhere
in
a
street,
whereas
somebody
who
lives
in
this
property
has
no
need
of
a
car.
So
I
I
don't
feel
that's
needed,
but
yeah
that
I
think
that's
always
a
good
clear
point
to
put
there
were
there?
Are
cars
belonging
to
residents
and
yourself
chair
in
hyde
park?
G
Well,
we'll
know
full
well
what
what
problems
are
caused
by
one
cars
belonging
to
residents
when
there's
not
enough
space
and
two
cars
that
appear
in
an
area
throughout
the
day
and
maybe
aren't
there
overnight,
and
that
is
a
a
distinction.
So
yeah
making
sure
this
visitor
space
is
a
key.
A
Julie
noted
right,
that's
the
question.
Is
anybody
further
comments?
Members
want
to
add
at
this
point
for
this
pre-app
nope.
In
that
case,
that's
del.
Did
you
want
to
sum
up.
N
A
F
Sorry,
I
was
half
asleep,
did
we.
F
Did
we
make
a
point
about?
We
need
more
balconies.
A
It's
been
made
and
just
further
confusing.
They
need
to
be
with
the
balconies
in
the
one-bedroomed
flats
of
one
person
be
big
enough
for
one
or
two
people
to
have
breakfast
on
the
balconies.
I
mean
these.
Are
these?
These
are
searching
questions
that
people
at
least
need
the
answers
to
anyway,
but
yeah.
Thank
you,
liz
for
the
the
balconies
book
dowsey
over
to
you,
mate.
N
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
all
for
your
your
comments
and
and
your
thoughts
that
they've
been
duly
noted
and
I
think
in
in
in
terms
of
the
main
main
findings.
Clearly,
there's
been
considerable
discussion
around
the
housing
mix
and
and
and
clearly
members
want
to
maximize
that
and
for
that
to
be
in
line
with
our
space
standards.
If
they're,
not
members
would
want
to
see
the
appropriate
research
and
clarification
members
support
the
emerging
mass
and
scale
across
the
site.
N
Members
are
happy
with
the
approach
for
for
less
car
parking
for
people
who
live
on
the
site,
but
they
want
to
be
satisfied
that
there
was
sufficient
space
for
visitors,
deliveries
and
taxis,
and
then
we've
noted
other
comments
of
through
the
discussion
about
the
need
for
more
balconies
to
make
sure
that
this
is
a
policy
compliance
scheme
in
terms
of
the
affordable,
housing
delivery
and,
and
I
think
the
the
quality
of
the
green
space
and
the
details
that
need
to
come
through
for
the
landscaping.