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I
You
Chad
under
agenda
item
number
one
if
there
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
and
documents
under
item
number
two,
there
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
or
the
public
under
item
number.
Three.
There
are
no
far
more
late
items
noted
under
a
gender
item.
Number
four
can
ask
members
to
declare
any
interests.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
that
takes
us
to
the
minutes.
Our
agenda
item
six,
so
I'm
going
to
take
them
Page
by
page
as
I,
normally
do
and
I
will
take
accuracy
and
matters
arising
together.
So
it's
page.
They
start
on
page
five
of
your
pack,
so
page
five.
A
So
I
haven't
seen
any
indications
on
the
minutes,
but
I
do
know
that
Martin
has
a
couple
of
updates
on
us
under
the
matters
arising.
B
Thank
you
chair,
so
two
updates
in
relation
to
plan
making
consultations
that
have
recently
closed.
So
the
first
is
around
the
sap
remittal
and
the
second
is
around
the
local
Plan
update
one,
your
neighborhood
at
your
city,
your
your
planet,
so
I'll
deal
with
the
sapra
middle
and
it's
just
to
say
that,
on
the
on
the
request
of
the
planning
inspector
examining
the
site
allocations,
plan
remittal,
one
site,
a
site
at
baraby,
Lane
and
the
east
of
Leeds,
she
changed
her
mind
on
that.
B
From
from
the
initial
hearings
to
subsequent
hearings
that
were
held
and
the
inspector's
mind
was
changed
from
an
initial
recommendation
to
release
that
site
from
the
greenbot
for
employment
use
to
actually
keeping
that
site
within
the
green
belt,
so
that
warranted
further
consultation.
That
consultation
has
now
been
held.
It
closed
at
the
end
of
last
week
and
the
Council
on
behalf
of
the
inspector
has
received
110
responses
to
that.
B
Those
responses
will
now
go
to
the
inspector
and
she
will
take
a
view
on
matters
before
submitting
her
draft
report
to
the
council.
B
B
K
E
Yes,
just
just
a
short,
a
short
presentation
just
for
the
local
pun,
update
one,
which
is
matter
arising
just
to
give
some
initial
findings
from
the
consultation
exercises
as
Martin
described
just
to
explain.
Obviously,
we
received
a
lot
of
detailed
representations
as
part
of
this
consultation,
we're
not
in
a
position
to
provide
sort
of
the
full
commentary
on
the
consultation
at
this
stage,
but
we
thought
it'd
be
helpful.
E
Just
to
give
some
initial
sort
of
findings
before
we
can
give
full
findings
and
just
be
helpful
for
members
and
to
be
able
to
see
what
some
of
the
emerging
themes
from
the
consultation
were,
and
a
fuller
report
will
obviously
be
submitted
to
development
plans
panel
consideration
at
a
later
date.
E
So
I
can
just
move
forward.
She's,
not
letting
me
do
there.
We
go
so
so
we'll
see,
550
representations,
the
vast
majority
of
which
were
online
smart
survey
responses
and
then
90
emails,
and
then
some
young
person
surveys
that
we
had
completed
and
against
the
sci
targets
that
members
of
development
plans
panel
endorsed
and
approved.
E
The
first
Target
is
about.
Have
we
received
a
response
from
every
single
Ward
in
the
city
of
Leeds,
and
we
have
we've
also,
as
I
said,
received
four
to
five
young
person
surveys.
So
that's
a
quite
a
bit
but
hopeful
that
shows
a
good
good
level
of
response
in
terms
of
young
people.
E
Also,
the
the
final
Target
was
around.
Are
we
getting
positive
feedback
in
terms
of
the
consultation
itself
and
of
those
who
completed
the
smart
survey?
86
said
they
found
the
survey
engaging
which
we
take
positively
and
and
help
sets
benchmarks
for
future
consultations.
E
Overall,
there's
really
strong
support
for
all
of
the
policies
in
the
plan.
Certainly,
in
the
smart
survey
data
every
single
policy
got
over
80
sort
of
support
or
approval,
and
it's
I
think
it's
important
to
to
emphasize
that
just
because
this
process
can
tend
to
emphasize
the
objections,
because
that's
the
nature
of
the
regulatory
process
but
I
do
want
to
make
sure
it's
very
clear
that
there
was
lots
of
support
for
the
policies,
but
it's
also
worth
raising
some
of
the
objections
at
this
stage.
E
Just
so
members
are
aware
of
them
as
we
move
forward.
There
were
a
small
number
of
objections
raised
about
the
separation
of
local
fund
update
one
and
local
leads
local
plan
2040
in
terms
of
carbon
reduction.
E
E
E
Mapping
work
we've
got
some
responses
from
the
environment
agency
requesting
further
amendments
to
the
Strategic
flood
risk
assessment.
E
In
terms
of
green
and
blue
infrastructure,
again
with
our
comments
on
viability
and
feasibility
and
flexibility,
rather
particularly
with
regard
to
tree
planting,
we're
getting
stronger
support
for
things
like
food
growing,
but
again
for
the
clarity
has
been
sought
on
on
how
we
expect
that
to
be
delivered
and
also
the
question
of
whether
Green
Space
quality
can
be
delivered
on
smaller
sites
with
20
minute
neighborhoods,
which
are
obviously
a
concept,
was
spoken
at
length.
Here
again,
we've
got
some
suggested
amendments
to
the
methodology,
which
I
think
is
helpful.
E
We've
had
conflicting
responses
on
things
like
drive-throughs,
with
some
saying
that
we
haven't
gone
far
enough
or
they're,
saying
that
we've
gone
too
far
in
terms
of
contradicting
the
mppf,
so
we'll
obviously
have
to
Grapple
with
that
and
some
requests
for
changes
of
terminology
with
regard
to
design
policies
and,
finally,
with
regards
to
digital
connectivity,
it's
possible
that
building
regulations
have
overtaken
the
local
pun,
update
with
what
was
announced
on
the
26th
of
December
last
year,
which
may
have
put
in
law
what
we
were
proposing
to
put
into
policy,
so
that
may
require
us
to
reconsider
that
so
next
steps.
E
Obviously,
we
will
continue
to
analyzing
the
representations.
That
was
just
that's
a
snapshot.
It's
not
not
all
of
them
and
we'll
consider
to
consider
the
case
for
any
amendments
to
either
the
policies
or
the
evidence
base
and
a
full
review
of
the
consultation
responses
and
potential
amendments
beloved,
Superior,
a
formal
item
for
DPP
and
due
course.
Thank
you.
A
E
Absolutely
yes,
yes,
it's
it!
That
was
a
bespoke,
a
questionnaire
that
we
created
specifically
for
young
people.
So
it
asks
slightly
different
questions,
but
all
very
relevant
questions
and
we
can
break
all
those
down
for
members
absolutely.
E
The
we'll
come
on
to
obviously
local
plan
of
the
Lee's
local
plan
2040.
But
yes,
we
will
be
developing
a
bespoke
young
person
survey.
A
E
E
I
think
it's
important
just
to
clarify
that
much
of
it.
If
not
all
of
it
is
a
regulatory
requirement.
E
So
things
like
sustainability,
appraisal,
scope
and
reports
are,
by
necessity,
quite
long
documents,
because
they
do
cover
quite
a
lot
of
ground
I
appreciate
they
can
be
taken
together
with
all
the
other
papers.
It
can
feel
like.
There
is
a
lot
of
material
in
front
of
you,
but
I
think
it's,
it's
all
all
there
by
necessity,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
certainly
the
the
local
plan
review.
I
think
that's
the
appendix
one
to
that
report
and
obviously
for
local
plan
two
or
LLP
2040.
E
The
first
appendices
is
what
contains
the
topic
papers
and
then
I
think
it's
the
second
dependencies
which
is
the
scoping
report,
which
is
quite
a
lengthy
document.
So
let
me
just
present
the
slides.
A
So
meanwhile,
while
Adam's
finding
the
slides
can
I
just
thank
Catherine
for
such
a
comprehensive
and
well
put
together
document.
Thank
you
must
have
taken
a
lot
of
time
and
work
and
I'm
sure
members
will
be
happy
to
hear
you
talk
and
walk
them
through
those
those
pages.
C
Thank
you
so,
yes,
this
is
the
report
on
the
Leeds
local
plan
review.
This
relates
to
a
second
review
that
we've
done
and
undertaken
it's
a
summary
table
in
the
appendix
one
attached
to
the
main
report
and
it's
a
summary
of
228
policies
that
have
been
reviewed.
C
Our
first
review
was
undertaken
back
in
2020
and
sits
alongside
the
local
development
scheme
on
the
Leed
City
Council
planning
web
pages.
So
reviewing
our
policies.
It
is
a
legal
obligation
with
the
requirement
to
do
so
every
five
years.
C
C
The
use
of
the
word
review
in
this
context
is
to
consider
policies
and
Civ
to
consider
whether
they
need
to
be
updated.
It
is
not
the
process
of
update
the
review
helps
influence
what
needs
to
be
considered
for
a
planet
update
and
we've
already
started
that
process
for
the
local
Planet
update
one,
your
neighborhood,
your
city,
your
planet.
C
So
the
aim
of
the
review
is
to
undertake
a
robust
and
objective
look
at
policies
against
changes
in
National
policy
or
local
circumstances.
It
allows
us
to
understand
which
policies
remain
up
to
date
for
the
purposes
of
decision
making
and
understand
where
circumstances
may
have
changed
or
whether
or
not
the
policy
or
policies
and
the
plans
continue
to
be
effective
in
addressing
the
specific
local
issues
that
are
identified
in
them.
This,
in
turn,
helps
to
focus
on
whether
and
to
what
extent
an
update
are
those
policies
is
required.
C
C
Firstly
in
the
covering
report
in
in
paragraph
nine,
this
should
read
that
there
are
a
total
of
149,
not
140,
policies
across
the
four
documents
of
the
air,
Valley
area
action
plan,
the
UDP,
safe
policy,
the
core
strategy
and
the
natural
resource
and
waste
plan,
but
was
considered
up
to
date
with
the
mppf,
are
considered
in
need
of
review
to
ensure
that
local
priorities
are
as
fully
reflected
as
possible.
C
This
can
be
as
simple
as
instances
where
language
used
in
the
policies
needs
amending
to
reflect.
The
latest
terminology
there's
also
some
corrections
that
need
to
be
made
in
the
numbers
presented
in
paragraphs
15
to
19
in
the
main
report
and
appendix
one
so
paragraph
15
24,
and
the
first
line
should
read
21.
C
C
The
review
and
the
summary
table
also
helps
us
to
identify
those
policies
that
have
been
brought
into
the
scope
of
the
local
Plan
update
through
the
drafting
of
the
local
Planet
update
one
through
the
regulation.
19
preferred
draft
new
or
amended
and
or
superseded
policies,
and
additional
columns
therefore
been
added
to
the
end
of
the
table
in
Annex
one
to
help
identify
these
policies.
C
There
are
three
policies
in
the
air
Valley
area
action
plan,
but
because
of
the
proposed
regulation,
19
draft
policies
they've
subsequently
been
brought
into
scope
of
update.
These
free
policies
will
need
reflecting
in
the
schedule
of
Leeds
local
plan
policies
to
be
superseded
by
a
Leeds
local
Plan
update
policies.
C
C
So
so
what
happens?
Next
I'll,
just
move
on
following
delegated
sign
off
by
the
chief
planning
officer.
We
will
publish
this
review
online.
I'd,
also
like
to
reiterate
that
this
is
a
timely
exercise.
It
sits
alongside
the
proposed
scope
of
the
LLP
2040,
which
members
have
already
discussed
and
where
the
upcoming
consultation,
which
Caroline
will
cover
in
more
detail,
helps
identify
the
policy
areas
which
are
in
potential
scope
for
update
the
40
policies
from
this
review
considered
still
effective
and
relevant.
C
Well,
alongside
the
core
strategy,
select
review,
2019
policies
and
the
site
allocation
plan,
2019
policies
will
we
will
be
reviewed
in
2024,
which
is
five
years
after
their
adoption.
However,
mindful
of
the
current
consultation
on
mppf
and
other
changes
and
local
circumstances,
that
may
be
necessary
to
have
an
early
review
and
that
will
be
undertaken
if
necessary,
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
A
F
D
Yeah
so
as
as
members
will
recall,
we
held
us
a
workshop
with
development
plan
panel
members
until
October
last
year,
and
then
it
DPP
in
November.
We
ran
through
in
some
detail
the
proposed
topics
that
we
proposed
to
include
in
scope
of
what
we're
calling
local
Plan
update.
Two
we
run
through
that
in
detail.
So
my
intention
today
is
to
provide
a
bit
of
a
really
quick
Refresh
on
that
before
giving
an
overview
of
the
material
that
we
intend
to
use
to
support
the
public
proposed
public
consultation
on
the
scope
of
the
plan.
D
So
then,
in
in
terms
of
the
context
as
Catherine's
just
outlined,
we
undertook
a
local
plan
review
back
in
2020,
which
we've
just
refreshed,
and
it
identifies
that
there's
a
number
of
policies
within
our
existing
local
plan,
which
we
need
to
consider
updating
and
local
Plan
update,
one,
which
is
your
neighborhood.
Your
city.
D
Your
planet
is
updating
those
policies,
most
directly
related
to
climate
change
and
that's
being
brought
forward
first
because
of
the
agency
of
tackling
the
climate
emergency
and
local
Plan
update
2,
which
we're
going
to
be
calling
the
Leeds
local
plan
2040
we'll
look
at
the
other
topics
and
needs
in
Leeds
between
now
and
20.
2040.
D
and
we've
got
a
series
of
proposed
objectives
for
the
plan
and
we're
referring
to
those
as
proposed
objectives
at
this
stage,
because
until
we
confirm
what
the
scope
of
that
plan
is
going
to
be
and
what
the
evidence
is
about
needs,
we
can't
sort
of
completely
confirm
them.
But
at
the
moment,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
really
important.
That
the
plan
is
one
that
reflects
the
character.
The
diverse
places
within
leads-
and
it
is
based
on
up-to-date
evidence
of
the
needs
in
these
places.
D
D
D
So
I've
set
out
on
the
slide.
That's
sort
of
quite
indicative
diagram,
which
shows
the
overall
process
and
timeline
for
preparing
the
plan
and,
as
you
can
see,
we're
at
the
sort
of
tip
of
that
yellow
arrow
on
this
slide.
So
really
at
the
sort
of
very
start,
the
very
earliest
stage.
In
the
plan
making
process
where
we've
done
some
initial
research
on
the
sort
of
scope
and
issues
that
this
plan
will
need
to
address
and
we're
just
starting
to
look
to
undertake
some
public
consultation
on
that
proposed
scope.
D
So
what
we
think
the
the
topics
might
be,
and
the
sort
of
key
issues
and
considerations
that
we're
going
to
need
to
take
into
account
as
part
of
that
and
what
we're
proposing
is
for
this
local
planners
we'll
undertake
what
we
call
two
sort
of
early
stage:
regulation,
18
consultations
on
the
plan.
So
once
we've
agreed,
the
scope
will
then
and
developed
our
evidence
and
understanding
of
some
of
the
issues.
D
We'll
do
a
further
regulation,
18
early
consultation
about
what
what
we
think
some
of
the
options
are
before
we
come
back
to
writing
detailed
policies
which
then
get
published
for
a
further
round
of
consultation
before
being
submitted
to
government
and
going
through
the
examination
process
and
we're
proposing
that
this
formal
consultation
on
the
scope
of
the
local
Plan
update
will
take
place
for
six
weeks
between
the
10th
of
February
and
the
24th
of
March
this
year.
D
And
so,
as
members
May
well
recall
from
the
previous
discussions.
There
are
seven
broad
topic
areas
that
we're
proposing
for
inclusion
in
this
plan.
So
the
spatial
strategy,
housing,
Economic,
Development,
the
role
of
centers,
minerals
and
waste
transport
and
connectivity
and
other
topic
areas
which
are
sort
of
more
detailed
policies
used
to
help
determine
planning
applications
and
sets
or
standards
and
criteria
covering
a
wide
range
of
really
important
matters
in
Leeds.
D
So
things
like
Heritage
landscape,
rural
development,
Community
facilities,
contaminated
land
and
hazardous
substances
and
open
land
and
green
corridors
in
urban
areas
and
there's
topic
papers
appended
to
the
report,
which
we've
members
will
probably
be
familiar
with,
because
they're
very
similar
to
what
we've
presented
previously
they've
just
been
refined
slightly
for
the
consultation.
D
D
So
if
we
move
on
to
the
next
slide,
so
then
in
terms
of
the
consultation
material,
there's
two
key
documents
which
form
the
sort
of
basis
of
the
consultation.
The
first
is
the
scoping
consultation
document
and
this
compiles
individual
topic
papers,
which
set
out
the
key
issues
and
considerations
for
each
of
the
topics
proposed
for
inclusion
in
the
scope
of
this
local
Plan
update,
along
with
a
sort
of
General
introduction
explaining
what
the
plan's
all
about
and
alongside
this
we're,
also
publishing
for
common.
D
The
sustainability
appraisal,
scoping
report-
and
this
sets
out
the
proposed
scope
of
the
sustainability
appraisal
that
we'll
need
to
use
to
help
ensure
that
the
plan
delivers
wider
sustainability
objectives
and
we'll
be
using
that
to
assess
options
as
we
develop
them,
and
the
scoping
report
that
this
says
sets
out
how
we
propose
to
do
that,
along
with
some
key
plans,
policies
and
programs.
That
will
also
need
to
have
regard
to,
as
well
as
Baseline
information
which
sort
of
sets
the
Baseline
for
this
plan,
and
both
of
these
documents
are
appended
to
your
papers
for
today.
D
D
We're
also
developing
our
website
to
support
the
consultation,
so
we'll
have
a
specific
page
on
the
website
for
the
Leeds
local
Plan
2014,
with
subpages
for
each
of
the
topic
areas,
and
this
will
include
the
sort
of
General
introduction
to
what's
this
all
about,
as
well
as
subpages
for
each
of
the
topics.
All
of
the
information
from
the
consultation,
material
and
consultation
documents
and
summary
will
be
available
on
the
website
and
we're
also
going
to
have
video
video
presentations
which
explain
the
proposals
which
recognize
that
different
people
like
to
access
information
in
different
ways.
D
You
go
on
to
the
next
slide
and
also
on
the
website,
we're
going
to
have
a
response
survey
and,
as
you
saw
from
the
the
sort
of
initial
findings
of
the
local
Plan
update
one
consultation.
This
has
proved
to
be
really
popular
way
of
people
responding
to
consultations
and
it's
a
tool
that
we're
keen
to
promote
the
use
of
through
this
consultation
as
well
and
I,
Foe
and
letters
and
emails.
We
also
be
accepted.
D
If
that's,
how
people
prefer
to
get
in
contact
with
us
and
for
each
of
the
topics
we're
going
to
have
a
variety
of
questions.
So
we
need
to
ask
the
question
about.
Do
you
think
this
topic
should
be
included
in
the
scope
of
the
plan,
but
we're
also
using
this
as
an
opportunity
to
get
some
initial
views
about
some
of
the
key
issues
and
considerations
that
we're
going
to
need
to
take
into
account.
D
D
Inclusion
in
the
plan
for
a
wide
range
of
potential
uses
and
we've
developed
an
online
tool
for
putting
forward
site
suggestions
which
anyone
can
use
to
bring
a
site
to
our
attention,
and
we've
specifically
designing
this
to
be
as
easy
to
use
as
possible
and
the
way
it
works
is
that
enables
people
to
draw
a
site.
You
know
bring
up
a
map
draw
a
site.
D
You
know
identify
where
that
is
on
the
map
and
then
they're
sort
of
talk
taken
step
by
step
through
a
few
key
questions
about
that
site
and
what
people
would
like
to
see
it
used
for
and
also
what
their
their
interest
in
that
land
is.
Are
they
a
landowner,
a
developer?
Are
they
a
local
resident,
a
community
group
and
so
on,
and
we're
hoping
this
tool
will
make
it
easier
for
anyone
to
make
setup
site
suggestions
to
us
Beyond,
just
the
sort
of
normal
developers
or
landowners?
D
Use,
for
example-
and
this
is
this
tool,
will
enable
people
to
to
do
that,
and
it
is
important
to
highlight,
however,
that
the
launching
the
call
for
sites
doesn't
prejudge
the
outcomes
of
the
scoping
consultation
in
terms
of
what
topics
we'll
be
addressing
through
this
plan,
or
also
the
work
in
terms
of
evidencing
and
understanding.
What
the
needs
are
that
the
local
plan
will
need
to
address,
and,
and
just
because
the
site
is
submitted
to
us
doesn't
mean
that
we
agree
that
that
site
will
be
needed,
or
indeed,
that
it
is
suitable
for
development.
D
I
think
the
overall
aim
is
to
really
raise
awareness
and
start
conversations
about
how
we
might
plan
for
development
in
Leeds
up
to
2040
at
this
sort
of
very
early
stage
in
the
plan
making
process
and
reflecting
this
we're
proposing
to
hold
a
number
of
face-to-face
events
at
High
football
venues
such
as
shopping
centers,
to
sort
of
have
early
conversations
with
a
whole
range
of
people,
not
just
those
who've
been
involved
in
planning
before
and
about
what.
What
they
think
about.
D
Advertising
campaign
which
focuses
on
the
topics
that
form
the
part
of
the
proposed
scope
of
the
plan
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
six-week
statutory
consultation
period
really
is
just
the
start
of
the
conversation
about
this
local
plan
and
we'll
continue
to
engage
with
communities
outside
this
formal
consultation
period.
To
help
inform
our
understanding
of
the
issues
what
the
options
might
be
before.
We
take
further
consultation
on
the
options
for
the
plan
later
in
the
year,
so
move
on
to
the
last
slide.
D
So,
finally,
just
just
to
sort
of
as
a
reminder
really
what
we're
asking.
What
we're
seeking
today
is
for
development
plan
panel
to
endorse
and
recommend
to
Executive
Board
the
proposed
scope
of
the
local
plan,
20
2040,
and
that
we
commence
consultation
on
this
and
the
essay,
and
also
note
that
we'll
be
launching
the
call
for
sites
alongside
this
and
if
you've
got
any
questions
or
comment
myself
and
the
team
we'll
be
happy
to
take
them.
A
Hang
on
sorry
I'll,
just
repeat
it
for
the
recording.
We
have
had
quite
a
lot
of
discussion
on
the
panel
in
within
the
topic
areas
identified
for
consultation
here,
so
we've
talked
a
lot
about
the
principles
of
those
and
and
the
the
particular
nuances
of
the
policy
as
I
understand
today's
meeting.
It's
about
us
looking
at
the
Quality
and
nature
of
the
materials
that
are
going
before
the
public
and
making
a
decision
on
how
appropriate
we
feel
those
are
and
how
accessible
we
feel
those
are
have
I
got
that
right,
Martin
and.
B
Chad
just
meet
members
perfectly
happy
to
receive
comments
on
the
material
in
the
topic
papers
and
for
any
further
explanation
on
that.
Obviously,
the
the
questions
that
that
Caroline
Illustrated
are
in
front
of
you,
but
they
are
derived
from
those
topic
areas.
So
so
all
the
the
sort
of
the
consultation
material
that
that's
aiming
to
be
simpler
and
more
readily
accessible
is
all
derived
from
the
wording
in
the
back
of
here.
But
you,
you
don't
have
that
to
comment
on
today,
because
we're
still
working
on
that
up
until
consultation.
A
F
Thanks
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
so
just
just
a
few
things
floated
to
my
to
my
brain
in
terms
of
accessibility
are
any
hard
copy,
is
going
to
be
available
for
people
without
internet
access,
and
will
there
be
like
phone
numbers
for
people
who,
for
whatever
reason,
can't
write
in
to
give
their
views
will
in
terms
of
the
consultation
itself
and
the
results
of
the
consultation.
F
This
so
and
I
know
in
my
ward.
Housing
need
is
like
a
really
high
priority
and
a
lot
of
people
really
really
are
upset
about
it.
Will
those
comments
feed
into
the
way
that
need
is
measured
and
then
just
just
on
on
the
spatial
strategy?
Will
will
that
include
new
Green
Space
provision?
Or
will
it
not?
Is
it
just
about
where
things
go.
E
Thank
you,
councilor
Brooks.
Yes,
to
confirm
that
we
will
have
hard
copies
of
the
material
on
deposit
at
Marion
house,
but
anybody
who
requires
that
will
also
be
able
to
provide
any
of
the
drop-in
events
and
we'll
have
phone
numbers
as
well.
So
if
anyone
Rings
us
up
and
and
needs
additional
material
to
that,
then
we
can
arrange
for
it
to
be
posted
out.
E
All
we
would
say
is
that
to
make
sure
that
that's
for
people
who
are
in
genuine
need
of
that,
rather
than
people
who
just
say,
prefer
things
in
Paper
rather
than
online,
we
found
when
we
did
the
consultation
for
local
Plan
update
one
that
quite
a
lot
of
people
wanted.
For
some
reason,
we
didn't
have
enough
copies
to
give
out
this
time,
we're
going
to
rectify
that
by
having
enough
so
that
people
can
take
away
copies.
E
E
So,
in
terms
of
the
hard
evidence
base
elements
of
the
consultation
and
evidence
base
for
the
plan,
that
will
be
the
primary
driver
for
working
out
housing
need
in
Leeds,
but
obviously
any
responses
that
people
have
will
be
given
full
consideration
as
well,
and
it
will
be
depending
I
guess
in
what
numbers
we
receive
comments
for
local
areas
and
how
to
how
much
degree
that
can
be
given
in
terms
of
evidential
weight
compared
to
say
that
the
household
survey
and
the
household
survey
I
think
gets
sent
out
to
something
like
something
like
25
000
households
across
Leeds.
E
So
it's
a
very
large
survey,
which
we're
very
confident
is
representative
of
needs
across
Leeds
in
terms
of
Green
Space.
It's
not
within
the
scope
of
the
plan,
as
currently
proposed
in
the
sense
that
new
Green
Space
would
be
included,
but
obviously
people
who
disagree
with
that
well
within
their
rights
to
respond
as
part
of
the
consultation
to
say
that
it
should
be,
and
obviously
as
part
of
new
development.
If
you
know
the
evidence
shows
that
we
do
need
it.
E
It's
fully
expected
that
all
new
sites,
where
it's
relevant
would
include
provision
of
green
space
and
that
could
be
detailed
within
the
site
requirements.
If
you
remember
from
the
site
allocations
plan,
we
would
have
sort
of
a
bit
of
information
about
green
space
and
that
would
be
included
as
part
of
new
allocations.
F
Please,
thank
you,
are
we?
Are
we
going
to
be
looking
at
any
of
the
census
dates?
Obviously
it
was
only
done
you
know
last
year,
and
also
will
we
be
taken
into
account
housing
waiting
list
and
the
the
data
that's
coming
forward
from
Leeds
housing
options
as
well.
B
Brooks
thanks
Custer
Brooks,
so
the
Shema
commission
was
made
just
before
Christmas
Arc
for
Consultants
who've
done
a
lot
of
across
the
country
have
been
commissioned
to
do
that.
Work
and
they're
going
to
work
with
Edge
analytics
who
are
based
in
Leeds,
and
then
we're
going
to
look
at
the
population
and
the
relationship
between
population
growth
and
household
growth.
As
part
of
that,
we're
really
Keen
that
they
use
the
updated
census,
but
that's
coming
out
in
bits.
B
So
the
commission
for
the
Shema
will
extend
into
the
summer,
and
we
hope
that
by
June,
when
the
the
sort
of
the
final
bits
of
the
the
census
information
come
out,
they'll
be
able
to
well.
They
will
feed
that
in
the
other
thing.
Just
to
note
on
the
Shema.
Is
that
as
it
as
it's
currently
sat
around
getting
all
that
wider
evidence
together
and
amassing
that
is
involving
housing?
B
Colleagues
across
the
council,
adult
and
social
care
colleagues
across
the
council
and
and
and
wider
colleagues
specifically
to
pull
in
specific
needs
for
specialist
housing
and
also
to
take
a
very
bottom-up
view
of
of
housing
need
so
to
really
look
at
what?
What
evidence
and
information
can
we
amass?
That
really
gives
a
strong
understanding
of
what
a
particular
area
needs,
which
I
think
then
helps
with
your
question
about.
B
Well,
how
can
local
people
engage
with
what
they
they
feel
their
needs
are,
hopefully
that
evidential
basis
will
then
sort
of
correspond
to
to
the
feeling
that
there
just
isn't
enough,
affordable
or
Specialist
or
whatever
housing
being
built.
That
will
then
enable
us
to
have
a
really
good
conversation
and
engage
with
the
local
people
at
the
next
stage
of
the
consultation
further
on
this
year,
so
that,
when
we're
talking
about
options
for
development,
we've
got
the
whole
picture
to
bring
to
local
people.
F
Just
very
quickly
sorry,
the
will
We
Will
We
also
be
engaging
with
Charities
such
as
Leeds
women's
Aid
and
Advent.
So
the
so
the
I
mean
there's
a
load
more
that
are
very
specialist.
Will
we
will
we
be
engaging
with
those
organizations
to
ensure
that
a
broader
scope
of
voices
is
is
included
in
this
consultation,
especially
around
the
housing
issues?.
B
I
think
it's
a
really
good
point,
counselor
and
I
think
what
we
would
like
is
just
to
receive
the
names
of
anybody
that
you
think
we
need
to
be
directly
approaching
and
Consulting
with.
So
that's
a
call
to
not
not
just
for
housing,
but
for
anything
that
that
is
relevant
to
this,
because
we
don't.
We
don't
necessarily
have
all
these
names
on
our
lists
and
our
consultation
lists
and,
if
necessary,
when
we've
got
more
information
and
evidence
about
the
Shema.
B
We
can
certainly
have
discrete
bespoke
wider
stakeholder
group
meetings
that
that
that
incorporate
these
groups.
A
Thank
you,
I
think.
That's
a
brilliant
idea:
councilor
Brooks,
I
I
think
that
will
really
improve
accessibility
and
give
a
very
different
perspective.
It's
a
brilliant
idea
and
focus
groups
will
be
brilliant
if
you
could
lead
on
those
that
would
be
really
really
helpful.
Councilor
Anderson.
L
I've
got
a
number
of
things.
We
can
start
off
on
page
60.,
the
paragraph
40.
when
it
comes
to
exec
board.
Could
you
expand
upon
an
initial
list
of
where
you're
going
to
be
going
to,
and
would
you
be
willing
to
open
up
for
elected
members
to
come
to
you
with
a
suggestion
as
to
where
you
might
be
able
to
go
to
like,
for
example,
in
my
own
word
last
time,
Janet
Harry
spent
a
lot
of
time
getting
cold
at
the
entrance
to
Asda
when
we
did
this
first
time
around.
L
So
if
I
go
back
to
Asda
there
again,
but
we
didn't
go
into
other
parts
of
the
world.
So
it's
how
we
would
address
that
type
of
thing.
Let's
just
give
you
an
example,
but
there's
nothing
wrong
with
what
you've
got
here.
All
I'm
asking
you
is
to
expand
upon
it
so
that
people
can
see
where
you're
trying
to
go.
So
that's
on
that
one
now
and
the
other
thing
is
when
you're
talking
about
Consulting.
Are
you
going
to
be
Consulting
directly
with
any
Parish
or
Town
Council,
any
neighborhood
plan
group
or
any
neighborhood
Forum?
L
Are
you
going
to
make
your
make
yourself
available
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
neighborhood
plan
groups
are
meant
to
be
the
ones
who
are
going
to
come
forward
with
proposals
to
meet
the
targets?
You
know
so
it's
important.
We
get
them
on
site
from
the
very
very
beginning.
So
that's
that's
that
one
next
one
page
72.
L
Settlement
hierarchy,
the
last
time
this
was
done.
It
was
very
difficult
to
explain
to
people
what
is
a
settlement
and
how
you
work
out
the
hierarchy.
L
It
caused
Great
problems
in
my
area
because
it
was
decided
by
one
person
that
a
site
was
Suburban
and
yet
a
site
that
was
even
closer
to
the
Urban
Fringe
was
deemed
not
Urban
and
as
a
result
of
that,
it
was
classed
differently
when
you
were
assessing
the
site.
So
we
need
to
explain
to
people
what
is
a
settlement.
What
is
a
mean
urban
area?
L
L
It
says
under
new
lplp
Twitter
overall
housing
requirement,
the
current
lhn
figure
suggests
an
increase
of
around
900
units.
Have
you
got
the
ever?
Have
you
got
the
information
that
backs
that
up,
and
can
you
make
it
available
to
the
development
plans
panel
so
that
we
can
see
what
logic
an
application
has
been?
That's
not
to
say
that
it's
wrong
by
the
way,
I'm
only
asking
that
we
can
see
how
it
was
calculated
in
any
shape
or
form.
Now.
L
The
other
thing
as
well
is
when
it
comes
to
the
housing
needs
assessment
house
far
down.
Are
you
actually
going
so?
Are
you
saying
you
know
we
it's
with
how
it's
going
to
be
one
specific
area,
or
is
it
going
to
come
to
the
next
level
up
the
ward
level?
How
far
down
are
you
actually
going
to
break
down
the
needs
so
that,
because
in
different
parts
of
different
Wards,
there
are
different
needs
depending
on
the
circumstances
within
them,
and
it's
okay
saying
what
a
great
suspect
you
in
your
word?
L
A
Thank
you.
You
look
as
if
you're
poised
to
take
this
one
Martin
I'll.
B
Take
a
couple
counselor
and
then
I'll
pass
over
to
Adam
or
Caroline
for
the
for
the
consultation
questions,
if
that's
okay,
so
so
just
on
the
local
housing
need
question
Council
Anderson.
So
so
that
figure
derives
from
the
government
standard
methodology.
So
we'll
we'll
make
sure
that
we
we
clarify
how
that's
been
arrived.
That's
not
saying
that
the
council
will
accept
the
government's
standard
housing
methodology,
it's
simply
reflecting
what
what
that
is.
B
If,
if,
if,
if,
if
we
did
it
and
clearly
the
government
through
its
recent
planning,
reforms
have
suggested
that
if
local
authorities
have
got
another
way
of
doing
things
they
could
but,
but
but
that's
where
that
that's
where
that
number
comes
from
in
terms
of
the
technicalities
around
how
we
assess
the
potential
of
settlements
and
how
we
look
to
breaking
down
overall
housing
need
I.
Think
that's
very
much
for
debate
and
discussion
and
I
think
that
will
be
through
this
group
either
through
a
workshop
session
or
a
formal
session.
B
E
You
thank
you
Council
Anderson,
yes,
in
terms
of
say,
Parish
Council
is
the
neighborhood
planning
groups
yeah,
as
I
think
Caroline
said
in
the
presentation,
we're
very
keen
to
speak
to
all
those
kind
of
groups
the
the
issue
will
come:
let's
take
neighborhood
planning
groups
as
an
example,
we
know
they've
got
some
timetabled
meetings.
E
Some
of
those
happening
within
the
consultation
period,
which
is
great,
some
of
them,
will
go
beyond.
We
will
continue
to
have
those
meetings,
obviously
where
it
sits
outside
the
consultation
period,
but
it
may
mean
that
some
of
those
conversations
don't
necessarily
happen
during
the
formal
consultation
but
I
think
as
Caroline
explained
in
the
in
the
presentation.
E
This
is
the
start
of
those
conversations
and
we're
not
wanting
to
artificially
Fetter
that
or
say
that
shouldn't
happen
so
yeah
we
we
will
be
in
formal
contact
with
every
one
of
those
groups
and
we
will
look
to
attend
as
many
meetings
as
we
can
of
neighborhood
planning
groups
in
particular
to
discuss
those
issues
in
terms
of
the
the
consultation
activities.
E
What
we're
keen
to
do
is
to
attend
the
kinds
of
places
that
attract
as
much
footfall
as
possible,
but
aren't
necessarily
particularly
location
specific,
so
places
like
Leeds
Market,
White,
Rose,
Trinity,
Marion,
Center
kind
of
places,
they've
got
very
heavy
footfall,
but
also
attract
people
from
all
all
over
the
city.
E
I
think
at
this
stage,
neighbor
planning
groups
notwithstanding
I,
think
going
to
say
bespoke
settlements,
use
the
word
you
use
settlements
before
we've
got
anything
particularly
specific
to
say
about
settlements.
I
think
would
perhaps
perhaps
be
a
little
bit
too
soon
and
I
I.
Think
our
thoughts
are
that
for
the
next
round
of
consultation
that
Caroline
mentioned
in
terms
of
Regulation
18,
then
we
can
start
to
have
a
bit
more
bespoke
conversations,
not
just
thematically
but
also
geographically
and
say.
Okay,
we've
had
a
bit
more
information
about
this.
E
Now,
let's
talk
about
your
place.
So
that's
that's!
That's
our
approach
for
this
round
of
consultation
and
for
the
next
one
completely
understand
issues
of
wordings
like
settlement
hierarchy.
They
are
that
they're
planning
jargon.
Aren't
they,
let's
be
honest
about
it,
but
it
is
how
we
best
convey
some
of
these
ideas.
E
I
think
what
we're
keen
to
do
is
really
just
talk
about.
You
know,
places
neighborhoods.
That
means
different
things
to
different
people
and,
as
Martin
said,
what
that
geography
will
look
like,
and
the
plan
is
very
much
up
for
discussion
and
we
have
not
made
any
any
ideas
about
that
at
this
stage.
E
But,
obviously,
when
we
go
to
these
events,
I'm
sure
we
will
have
to
spend
a
bit
of
time
explaining
what
what
these
terms
mean
and
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we
want
them
to
speak
to
as
many
people
as
possible.
These
kind
of
events
who
aren't
used
to
planning
speak
like
that,
and
we
can
start
to
make
this
real,
get
some
maps
out
and
kind
of
show
to
people
okay.
This
is
what
this
is.
What
it
looks
at
the
moment.
What
do
you
think
about
it
in
the
future.
L
Because
the
35
uplift,
that's
meant
to
be
for
major
urban
areas
like
Leeds
as
a
city,
but
unfortunately
sometimes
people
don't
understand.
Manchester
fine
I
can
see
applying
to
Manchester,
but
a
lot
of
other
areas,
Birmingham
and
Leeds,
being
one
they've
got
quite
a
large
rural
area
or
at
least
a
suburban
area.
Well,
the
30
will
be
35
percent,
be
applying
to
the
whole
of
the
city,
or
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
refine
it
down
to
the
more
localized
level?
L
So
that's
that
one
and
the
other
one
is
during
when
you
were
Consulting
on
local
plans
to
wherever
it
was.
You
had
a
little
bit
of
online
meetings
that
might
be
one
way
of
getting
to
parish
and
Town
Council
neighborhood
plan
groups
is,
if
you
had
a
number
of
those,
because
personally
I
thought
they
were
great
right.
Personally.
I
thought
they
were
great
I
know
you
might
say
we
didn't
get
that
many
people.
L
E
Certainly
say
that
that
final
suggestion
on
board
and
I
think
you
certainly
is
a
way
of
getting
lots
of,
say
Noble
planning
groups
or
Parish
Council
groups
in
the
same
place.
At
the
same
time,
it
might
be
helpful
to
have
an
online
meeting,
so
we'll
certainly
take
that
away
as
a
suggestion.
Thank
you.
B
Thanks
yeah,
just
just
on
the
35
uplift,
so
the
35
uplift
is
enshrined
in
in
in
National
guidance
to
the
top
top
20
cities
in
the
UK.
What
the
council
will
have
to
do
is
it
will
have
to
look
at
its
housing
needs.
It
will
have
to
look
at
the
appropriateness
of
adding
a
35
Urban
uplift
on
the
basis
of
available
Brownfield
land
or
the
economic
role
that
the
city
plays
within
the
city
region,
for
example,
and
then
look
at
the
the
potential
to
deliver
that
in
a
sustainable
manner.
B
But
what
we
will
do
and
throughout
this
process
is
we
will
look
at
a
variety
of
options
so
that,
when
we're
presenting
the
material
to
people
and
to
members
it'll
be
very
much
well,
we
could
do
this
or
we
could
do
that
or
we
could
do
the
other
and
we'll
assess
the
benefits
and
disbenefits
of
each
so
I'm
sure
the
35
uplift
will
be
on
or
off
on
on
on
some
of
those
options.
A
Two
two
simple
observations
on
that
exchange
from
me:
the
in-person
events:
could
we
invite
individual
relevant
elected
members?
I
know
you
send
a
list
round
and
you
write
to
people
collectively,
but
it's
easy
to
list
lose
in
the
175
emails
per
hour
that
we
all
receive.
So
if
you
could
do
an
individual
address
to
each
relevant
Ward
counselor
for
those
it
would
be
really
helpful.
A
The
second
observation
was
about
plain
language.
I
know:
you've
gone
a
long
way
down
the
road
now
with
the
materials
and
and
you
do
work
in
a
very
specialist
area.
It
took
me
18
months
before
I
could
work
out
what
a
plans
panel
report
was
actually
trying
to
tell
me
and
I
think
sometimes
the
language
can
put
people
off
so
the
planer
and
the
simpler
and
the
more
straightforward
that
those
presentations
can
be
I.
I
think
you'd
get
more
engagement
even
with
you
know,
through
the
adverts
as
well.
A
If
people
see
that
they're
coming
to
a
planning
consultation,
they
might
think.
Well,
that's
really
not
my
I,
don't
know
anything
about
that.
So
I
won't
go,
but
if
they
understood
immediately
the
personal
direct
implications
they
were
expected
to
have
then
I
think
it
might
draw
more
interest
just
my
view,
councilor
McKenna's.
Next,
please.
G
Oh
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
report.
Caroline
lots
and
lots
of
figures
enjoyed
trawling
through
it.
Of
course
we
will
develop
this
as
we
go
on
in
the
coming
months
and
I
dare
say
probably
years,
but
can
I
ask
you
to
look
at
page
248,
please,
and
it's
table
81
fatal
and
series
injury,
injuries,
casualties
and
leads
by
Road
users
2017
to
2021
and
looking
down
this,
we
can
clearly
see
that
the
safest
modes
of
travel
is
in
Goods,
Vehicles
bus
occupants,
great
taxi
occupants
and
horse
rider.
G
G
G
Haven't
they
Barry
that
petrol
Vehicles
will
be
eased
out
before
this
and
I'm
thinking
that
there's
going
to
be
an
awful
lot
of
electric
cars
on
the
road
and
indeed
driverless
cars
on
the
road,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
the
ones
who's
going
to
be
most
in
Jeopardy
are
pedestrians
and
I.
Just
wonder
and
I
won't
address
it
to
Carolina
at
this
stage,
but
it's
something
to
think
and
come
back
to
us.
Are
we
happy
that
the
plan
addresses
this
fact,
because
I
don't
think
we
can?
G
We
can
accept
that
the
the
most
unsafe
way
to
travel
is
somebody
walk
into
the
shops
or
young
children
walk
into
their
schools
and
I.
Think
we
really
should
take
this
very,
very
serious
and
I
know
from
the
nodes
I'm
getting
around
the
table,
particularly
at
the
top
that
we
will
do
so.
I
look
forward
to
coming
back
with
a
much
firmer
policy
on
this
one
and
I'm
sure
it's.
It
would
be
supported
by
all.
A
A
H
Sorry
Martin
I'm
interrupting
But
to
answer
it's
an
answer
so
and
we
took
to
accept
Bard
in
October
our
vision,
zero
2040,
which
fits
in
absolutely
exactly
with
this
date
that
no
no
person
will
be
killed
or
seriously
injured,
on
Leeds
roads
by
2040..
So
we
have
that
and
I'm
imagining
that
this
plan
will
sit
alongside
and
help
that
Vision
zero
strategy
and
it's
a
West
Yorkshire
wide
one.
H
But
obviously
we
have
adopted
the
Leeds
one
and
I
sit
on
the
board,
as
does
Gary
bartler,
and
that
it's
chaired
by
Alison
Lowe,
who
Council
McKenna,
knows
extremely
well
yeah.
So
hopefully
this
will
complement
Vision,
zero
2040
and
that
it
will
help
us
achieve
that.
That
goal
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
in.
K
Thanks
I'm
just
smiling
about
that
comment
going
through
and
all
the
grief
I
get
every
time
we
try
and
introduce
some
pedestrian
safety
schemes
you.
You
would
not
believe
what
telegraphy
about
bucket
loads
of
it
recently.
Sorry
about
that.
That's
inside
can
I
a
couple
of
points,
one
that
I
should
have
asked
the
first
in
response
to
the
first
item,
so
Catherine
you
haven't,
got
quite
got
away
with
this.
Yet
then
we
you've
talked
about
reviewing
the
policies
and
you've
looked
at
policies
and
said
yeah.
We
need
to
review
those.
K
Okay,
a
couple
of
General
points
in
no
particular
order.
I
get
worried
when
you
say
to
me
we'll
keep
a
heart
copy
in
Marion
house,
because
Barry
and
I
represent
almost
the
end
of
the
world.
As
far
as
Leaders
concerned,
the
Wild
Frontier
of
North
Yorkshire
and
to
get
people
to
come
into
Marion
house
is
almost
impossible,
but
we
do
have
a
library
and
I
think.
Actually
we
should
keep
a
copy
in
each
of
the
libraries
which
just
seems
sensible,
I.
K
K
Are
we
confident
that
the
new
policy
will
be
robust
enough
for
us
to
defend,
or
are
we
actually
I
suppose?
Are
we
going
to
put
a
health
warning
on
the
consultation
which
is
this
is
aspirational
not
actual,
there's
a
similar
thing
in
relation
to
sustainability?
K
We
we
often
sit
Brazilian
City
plans
and
talk
about
sustainability
and
the
district
value
comes
along
and
expresses
a
view
about
how
they
assess
sustainability
and
so
I
think
we
will
we
as
plans
panel
members
will
be
happy
if
we've
felt
that
any
discussion
to
create
a
policy
of
sustainability
is
robust
enough
for
us
to
defend
against
what
is
the
national
set
of
guidelines,
the
the?
How
do
we
I
I'm,
not
quite
clear
how
we're
going
to
try
and
get
a
better
response
from
young
people
and
I
know?
K
We
said
we
got
45
responses,
responses
from
them
and
that
rather
surprised
me,
because
it
must
mean
that
our
local
high
school
never
got
to
hear
about
the
the
previous
consultation,
because
they've
got
quite
an
active
Group,
which
is
probably
20
or
30
young
people
who
would
have
responded
and
actually
and
and
I'd,
be
interested
to
know
how
we
might
expand
getting
into
that
younger
demographic
group.
K
A
Thank
you
could
I
just
up
to
your
comments
about
the
children's
consultation
before
I.
Ask
officers
to
respond
to
your
points.
I
I
agree
with
you
that
that's.
Where
is
the
issues
that
I
raised
earlier
on
about?
Will
we
see
the
the
specially
designed
material
that
young
people
were
given
and
can
we
understand
the
age
group
that
responded
better
and
and
how
they
were
approached
and
so
on?
A
I
think
it
was
at
a
meeting
of
the
inner
West
Community
Committee
that
there
were
some
young
people
in
attendance
when
we
happened
to
be
talking
about
this
issue
and
there
are
all
sorts
of
things
that
I
don't
think
we
understand
and
certainly
planning
colleagues
aren't
young
people
Specialists,
so
you've
outsourced
that
bit
of
work.
Haven't
you
have
you
not
to
Children's
Services
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
joining
up
to
do
frankly.
A
I'm,
not
sure
just
a
straight
questionnaire,
however,
well
designed,
is
necessarily
going
to
work.
I
also
think
that
in
person
with
young
people
works
very
well
if
they
happen
to
be
in
a
particular
place
at
a
particular
time,
so
I
I
think
there's.
There
is
scope
for
doing
a
lot
more
work
around
how
to
approach
children
and
young
people
on
a
dry
sounding
subject
and
make
it
really
engaging
I'm,
not
certain
that
the
last
round
of
consultation
did
that.
A
Well
enough,
so
I
think
there's
room
for
development
and
I
totally
accept
that
you
are
not
children
in
young
people's
offices.
So
we
need
to
find
a
way
of
working
across
the
boundaries.
In
my
view,
sorry
to
interrupt
the
flow
of
thought
there,
but
I
was
I
felt
I
had
to
say
that
Martino.
E
Yeah,
well,
obviously
take
those
ideas
away
in
terms
of
young
people,
I
think
it.
It's
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
the
the
sort
of
attempt
that
we've
made
so
far
in
terms
of
breaking
this
down
is
not
is
not
usual.
I
think
you
know
most
a
lot
of
planning
consultations
around
the
country
do
still
stick
with
a
fairly
kind
of
dry
regulatory
format,
and
we
are
trying
you
know.
As
we've
shown,
you
know
cancer
under
some
mentioned
webinars
and
things
like
that
trying
to
broaden
our
kind
of
Suite
of
of
tools.
E
E
What
we
are
certainly
hoping
to
do
is
go
directly
to
schools
this
time
around,
which
I
think
will
hopefully
get
kind
of
more
more
engagement
on
on
that
basis,
but
we're
also
obviously
very
open
to
it.
It's
similar
to
the
way
that
councilor
Brooks
raised,
if
any
contacts
that
we
can
help
use
to
get
to
get
further
buy-in
through
young
people
and
and
schools
we
will
use.
E
But,
as
you
take
chair
at
the
moment,
a
lot
of
our
work
goes
through
support
from
Children
and
Families
kind
of
colleagues
just
to
say
in
terms
of
the
hard
copies
issue,
the
regulations
and
our
own
SCI
say
that
we
are
required
to
put
a
copy
of
the
material
at
Marion
house.
We're
not
required
to
put
any
material
anywhere
else,
I.
Think
putting
given
you
you'll
know,
obviously,
from
the
material
that's
in
front
of
you,
printing
out
the
whole
material.
E
We've
got
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
pages,
putting
it
on
every
library
at
one.
Stop
to
my
mind
is
will
be
quite
a
lot
of
paper
that
will
never
be
read
so
as
a
compromise
I
wonder
if
it'd
be
better,
if
we
put
a
copy
of
the
summaries
at
each
library
in
one
stop,
and
that
gives
people
physically
something
they
can
read
it's
written
in
a
way.
That's
designed
to
be
approachable,
easy
to
read,
but
also
contains
all
those
libraries.
E
Obviously
have
web
facilities
so
that
people
can
read
that
material
online
if
they
need
to,
but
I
would
question
having
the
whole
material
that
every
single
library
in
one
stop,
because
our
history
of
that
would
suggest
that
most
of
that
will
never
be
read
so
that
would
that
would
be
my
suggestion
it
for
that.
E
In
terms
of
the
question
about
how
strongly
do
we
feel
a
future
policy
can
be
about
things
like
housing,
typologies
and
types
and
mix,
and
things
like
that,
obviously
we're
a
really
early
stage.
But
what
we're
really
hopeful
is
that
previously,
a
lot
of
our
evidence
and
how
it
was
expressed
in
policy
wasn't
particularly
locally
specific.
E
We
would
have
housing
mix
as
reflected
across
the
whole
of
the
districts,
whereas
if
we
can
build
up
data
as
Martin's
already
described,
that's
quite
locally
leveled
using
the
census
using
lower
super
output
areas,
we
can
start
to
build
up
a
picture.
That's
a
lot
more
locally,
specific
and
start
to
set
out
needs
that
are
locally
specific.
E
That
I
think
makes
for
a
more
robust
policy,
but
we
obviously
there's
an
awful
lot
of
work.
That
needs
to
be
done
on
that
to
see
whether
that,
how
possible
that
is,
and
what
that
looks
like.
A
A
A
Would
it
be
possible?
Do
you
think
to
train
them
so
that
if
somebody
asked
for
materials,
they
can
look
at
the
summary
form
of
the
materials
and
the
staff
of
the
hubs
can
sort
of
access
the
rest
of
it
for
them
on
screen
or
help
them
to
do
it
or
understand
a
bit
about
it?
So
they
can
explain
because
they
do
that
for
lots
of
other
things.
E
B
Martin
thanks
chair
just
just
just
saying
just
just
to
comfort
yourself
and
members
of
the
panel.
We
have
the
statement
of
community
involvement
which
which
sets
out
what
our
consistent
minimum
approach
to
consultation
is.
We
have
to
do
that
and
we're
obliged
to
in
order
to
meet
legal
tests
of
plan
making,
but
depending
on
what
stage
we're
at
at
a
plan
and
depending
on
what
issues
we're
discussing.
B
Think
that
necessarily
will
need
a
different
approach
to
engaging
local
communities
and
being
in
local
communities
and
providing
material
to
local
communities
than
the
stage
we're
at
at
the
moment,
which
is
very
much
sort
of
warming
up
to
the
sorts
of
issues
that
we're
going
to
discuss
and
in
very
broad
sort
of
non-specific
terms.
So
so
so
we
really
will
take
account
of
sort
of
members.
B
Concerns
and
and
suggestions
and
issues
around
talking
to
local
people,
because
and
not
just
local
people
in
general,
but
but
younger
local
people,
because
it's
often
the
younger
local
people
who
are
going
to
need
the
house
built
yes
in
10
years
time
that
we
don't
often
hear
from
so
just
just
to
comfort
members
that
we
will
take
that
approach
and
we'll
we'll
consider
that
at
each
stage.
K
Well,
a
couple
of
General
points:
okay,
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
about
the
the
the
document
itself
may
just
be
too
bulky,
but
I
I
would
say
when
you
you
said
to
me,
I've
said
to
us:
we
can
produce
a
briefing
document
for
the
One-Stop
shop
or
the
library.
K
I
I
worry
at
that
point
as
to
who
picks
it
up,
and
it
would
seem
to
me
that
it
might
be
useful,
as
we
don't
seem
to
like
to
have
meetings
anymore,
but
actually
to
have
a
zoom
meeting
with
the
relevant
staff
within
those
One-Stop
shops,
libraries
and
say
and
talk
them
through
it
you're
sending
them
a
document.
You
know
as
an
email
they're
just
not
going
to
do
it
I'm.
Sorry,
if
they're,
just
not
because
I
know
what
counselors
are
like.
K
So
you
know
just
one
other
thing:
I'm
interested
in
the
comment
about
effectively
localizing
policies,
which
I
think
is
something
that
we've
we've
said
for
a
number
of
years.
Now
with
it.
You
know
we
have
a
leads-wide
policy,
which
we
can't
is
it.
Would
it
be
possible?
Let's
use,
let's
use
three
bedroom
houses,
for
example,
and
if
we
we
set
up
a
policy
in
I'm
just
saying
Kerry's
world,
but
she's
gone
in
her
in
her
world,
for
example,
that
we
we
needed
10,
affordable
housing
on
new
developments.
K
B
B
We
go
down
the
line,
but
what
I
would
say
is
if
we
look
at
the
direction
of
travel
of
national
guidance,
which
is,
is
very
much
to
have
a
lot
more
engagement
at
the
early
plan,
making
stage,
rather
than
the
the
development
management
stage
and
actually
front
load
a
lot
of
what
the
local
Authority
wants
to
see
in
the
plan,
rather
than
rely
on
the
developer,
bringing
it
and
couple
that
with
the
national
model
design
code
and
the
need
for
consideration
of
of
design
coding
at
specific
sites.
B
What
you
you're
getting
towards
within
a
development
plan
document
like
this,
is
a
lot
more
of
an
understanding
about
how
many
homes,
but
not
just
how
many
homes,
what
type,
how
many?
How
many,
how
many
dwellings,
what
what
Green
Space?
B
What
access
so
almost
pushing
down
to
that
sort
of
almost
like
outline
master
plan
stage
of
development
through
things
like
the
the
design
coding
which
would
enable
you
and
enable
the
council
to
sort
of
build
those.
The
those
Ambitions
in
at
a
very
early
stage.
K
Sorry
can
I
just
quickly
I
understand
what
you're,
saying
and
I
think
many
of
us
thought
that's
where
we
were
in
effect
by
the
policies
we've
produced,
but
it's
it's
transpired
that
we're
not
there
and
so
I.
Think
from
my
point
of
view,
and
probably
from
a
lot
of
other
members
points
of
view,
we'd
like
that
certainty,
we
we
don't
want
that
situation
where
developers
turn
up
with
a
plan,
application
and
say
yeah.
I
know
policy
is
this,
but
we
can't
do
it
because
of
x,
y
and
z.
K
Now,
if
you
say
to
me
that
you
think
we
can
produce
policies
that
are
Rock,
Solid
and
I'm
happy
because
at
least
it'll
cut
down
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
discussion
in
Plants
panel
meetings.
Okay,.
A
It's
naughty
councilor
Hayden.
Thank.
H
You
chair
a
couple
of
things:
first
I'm
going
back
to
the
children
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
Adam,
but
they
were
the
responses
and
won't
be
really
interesting
to
see
the
breakdown
were
from
groups
of
children
that
we
wouldn't
normally
hear
from
so
such
as
our
care
leavers
and
Children
looked
after
and
things
like
that.
H
So
I'm
really
pleased
that
those
normally
how
to
reach
groups
because
you
will
get
children
in
all
our
schools
who
are
in
on
the
school
council
and
are
very
used
to
filling
in
these
kind
of
surveys,
but
to
to
hear
the
voice
in
something
like
this
of
of
children
who
and
young
people
and
not
normally
engaged,
is,
is
really
good
and,
like
you
say
it's
a
benchmark
on
the
library
issue.
H
I
disagree,
councilor
Campbell,
our
library
staff
are
fantastic.
H
They
will
pick
up
a
briefing
document
and
they
will
know
exactly
what
to
do
and
they
I
don't
think
they
really
need
a
zoom
call
to
to
to
know
that
because
they
can
navigate
people
through
the
DWP.
So
if
you
can
do
that,
then
you
can.
You
can
navigate
a
planning
document,
so
yeah
and
I
I
think
a
summary,
a
paper
summary,
because
we've
got
to
think
about
the
carbon
costs
as
well.
H
Well,
my
knuckle
Holton
is
absolutely
brilliant,
so
I'm
doing
Crossgates
as
well
yeah,
so
we
may
be.
Maybe
maybe
you
need
a
conversation
with
the
exact
member
for
libraries
about
your
particular
one
so
across
the
city,
I
think
they
provide
a
really
good
service
and
they
they
would
if
they
had,
if
they
had
that
so,
but
we
also
have
to
think
about
the
carbon
cost
of
a
huge
document
going
into
every
Library.
K
I'm
quite
happy
with
the
principle
of
that
I
was
going
to
say
the
cut
down
version.
It's
it's!
It's
quite
a
big
cut
down
version
because
I
understand
the
principle
of
too
much
documentation.
I
just
think
it's
important
yeah
you're
right,
I
I
I've
got
two
libraries
in
my
world,
one
of
those
better
than
the
other.
K
A
B
B
Think
if
the
onus
is
on
planning
when
it
comes
out
for
its
consultation
to
almost
remedy
what
are
perceived
as
some
of
the
inefficiencies
in
that
consultation,
even
though
I'm
not
sure
there
are,
then
it
just
adds
to
the
burden
that
we're
already
facing
in
terms
of
preparing
the
plan,
because
these
things
do
take
a
lot
of
resource
and
a
lot
of
time
to
to
prepare.
B
So
I
think
we
do
have
to
use
what
we've
got
within
the
the
current
arrangements
and
the
current
infrastructure
and
I
think
that's
what
our
recently
updated
statement
of
community
involvement
sets
out.
So
I
think
we
will.
We
do
need
to
think
quite
carefully
about
if
we
do
decide
to
go
beyond
that,
because
that
eats
into
resources
and
and
time
constraints,
but
but
I
certainly
take
the
points
that
members
have
made
around.
B
You
know
the
importance
of
that
engagement,
which
I
think
is
why
I
said
that
we
need
to
be
flexible
about
how
we
do
that,
depending
on
what
the
the
topic
and
the
stages
that
we're
at.
F
Thanks
chair
sorry,
I
I
fully
recognize
that
that
sometimes
the
the
planning
department
are
under
a
lot
of
strain,
which
is,
which
is
why,
rather
than
coming
at
you
with
more
work,
that's
why
I
offered
to
take
it
on
myself.
F
So
I
think
I
think
probably
like,
as
counselors
should
probably
take
on
a
little
bit
more
of
that
and
and
yeah
Community
facing
stuff
I'm
more
than
happy
to
lead
on
engaging
with
the
third
sector
and
other
organizations,
but
obviously
I'm
going
to
need
some
resource
from
the
planning
department
to
a
company.
A
Really
good
creative
stuff.
Thank
you.
Would
you
like
to
just
remind
people
what
they
are
considering
now.
B
Thank
you
and
if
I
may,
with
your
Indulgence,
can
I
skip
back
to
the
recommendations
on
agenda
item
seven
just
so
that
we're
really
we're
really
we're
really
clear.
So
so,
just
starting
with
item
seven,
which
was
the
local
plan
review,
which
was
the
assessment.
B
The
technical
assessment
of
policies
development
plan
panel
have
commented
on
the
report
and-
and
please
note
that
the
chief
planning
officer
will
now
approve
that
via
his
delegated
powers
and
that
review
will
be
published
online
with
the
Amendments
that
Catherine
outlined,
because
there
was
a
few
typos
be
taken
into
account.
B
So
if
members
are
happy
with
those
recommendations
on
item
seven
on
item
eight,
it's
about
endorsing
the
material
that
you've
got
in
front
of
you
today
and
recommending
that
executive
board
carry
endorses
the
consultation
on
the
the
update
material
for
six
weeks,
along
with
the
sustainability
appraisal,
scoping
report
and
the
call
for
sites.
B
I
I
would
suggest,
let's
see.
Okay,
thank.
A
A
B
B
Anderson
is,
as
I
say,
all
of
the
additional
material,
the
summaries.
The
questions
will
be
derived
from
and
sourced
from
what's
in
front
of
you
today,
but
what
we
will
do
is
we'll
make
sure
that
we
sign
that
off
with
the
chief
planning
officer
and
we'll
do
that
in
consultation
with
councilor
Hayden,
the
executive
member.