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So
the
public
can
observe
the
minute
without
needing
to
be
present.
Northern
East
a
plant
deals
with
the
applications
from
North
and
North
and
north
east
of
the
city.
The
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
the
relevant
information
from
applicants.
Member
of
the
public
and
Council
offices
to
help
members
of
the
plant
panel
to
make
their
decision
could
I
now
invite
members
and
officers
to
introduce
themselves
and
mute
your
microphone
once
you
have
introduced
yourself.
So
if
I
could
start
from
the
left,
Steve.
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Professor
principal
engineer
in
development
control
in
flood
risk
management,
councilor
David
Jenkins
from
killing
back
and
supercroft
Ward.
A
Well
that,
thank
you,
everyone
moving
to
the
agenda
could
I
ask
the
clerk
to
go
through
I
agenda
item
one
to
five,
please
when
you're
ready
when,
in
the
meantime,
I
would
also
like
to
welcome
our
two
new
members,
Michael
in
Ray
for
joining
this
panel
and
welcome
to
the
lead
city
council
as
well.
Congratulations
on
your
election
and
also
this
is
our
first
Municipal
plans
meeting
which
is
taking
place
this
afternoon.
So
I.
A
Welcome
you
all,
even
though
it's
it's
not
the
same
panel,
what
was
last
year
other
than
buddy
and
Stevenson,
but
the
restroom
and
David,
in
fact,
but
thank
you
to
our
three
new
members
and
including
including
a
new
member
which
she
should
be
joining
us
shortly
so
item
one
to
five.
Please
ashizer.
L
Thank
you
chair,
so
under
gender
item
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusable
inspection
of
documents,
gender
item:
two:
there
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
or
the
public
agenda
item
three.
There
are
no
late
items
of
business.
That
I'm
aware
of
under
gender
item.
Four
could
ask
members
to
declare
any
interest
they
may
have
and
I'll
take
silence
as
there
are
none
under
a
gender
item.
Five
apologies
have
been
received
from
counselor
sharp.
Thank
you
chair.
A
A
A
member's
happy
to
move
these.
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
materials
arising
new?
Thank
you
item.
Seven
Steve
you'll
you'll.
Take
the
lead
on
this.
B
Thank
you,
chair,
I'll,
just
start
with
a
couple
of
updates.
So
since
the
publication
of
a
report
has
been
an
additional
10
letters
of
objection,
those
letters
of
objection
largely
raised
cut
issues
which
have
already
been
covered
in
the
report,
and
one
of
them
mentioned
contamination
issues.
B
You'll
you'll
see
in
the
report
that
we've
had
comments
from
the
contamination
officer,
who's
recommended
conditions
should
the
development
go
ahead,
and
that
includes
what
to
do
with
contamination
is
found
during
the
works
and
secondly,
there
was
concerns
raised
about
the
the
state
of
the
foot
path
link,
in
particular
the
existing
footpath,
which
we
we
looked
at
on
site
today
and
and
members
have
walked
that
up
and
down
to
the
gate.
So
so
they
know
what
what's?
B
What
standard
that
that
footpath
is
up
to
at
this
present
time
so
yeah.
So
in
addition
to
those
10
letters
of
objections,
also
being
a
letter
of
objection
received
from
councilor
Stables,
whose
the
new
member
in
in
Weatherby
world
and
I'll
just
read
that
out,
because
it's
it's
a
short
representation,
so
Council
Stables
has
written
I'd
like
to
firmly
register
my
objection
to
this
plan.
B
Application
and
I
completely
agree
with
all
the
points
put
forward
by
the
ward
members,
and
that
was
their
letter,
which
I
referred
to
in
report
dated
November
22
and
she'd
like
to
particularly
highlight
the
concern
in
in
regards
to
road
safety
and
the
site.
Inquisition
is
situated
off
a
country
road,
the
first
section
of
which
there's
no
pavement
and
is
a
60
mile
per
hour.
Speed
limit
anyone
staying
at
the
site
will
have
to
walk
down
this
part
of
the
road
to
access
the
village.
B
They
are
very
likely
to
want
to
explore
the
neighborhood
but
they're
staying
in
by
foot
and
then
Vehicles
use
whole
park
roads
as
a
regular
cut
through
to
the
far
Parts
estate
and
speeding
is
common
even
through
the
village
of
Walton,
where
there's
a
20
mile
an
hour,
speed
limits,
I'm
extremely
concerned
that
visitors
staying
in
the
glamping
pots,
who
are
unfamiliar,
unfamiliar
with
the
site,
Road
and
Village,
will
be
put
at
risk
when
walking
down
whole
Park
Road
in
the
other
direction.
B
So,
moving
on
from
that,
there's
just
an
additional
condition
that
we're
recommending
so
you'll
know
we're
in
the
reports
within
the
residential
Community
section
that
the
applicants
are
proposing
some
CCTV,
so
we're
just
wanting
to
add
a
condition
requiring
the
details
of
that
CCTV
if
it's
on
columns
or
where
it's
going
to
be
attached
and
then
further
on
the
side
visits.
Today,
there
was
a
question
raised
to
us
about
disabled
access
and
we
have
attacked.
B
We
have
had
a
chance
to
speak
to
the
accessibility
officer
on
this
issue
in,
in
general,
tourism
developments
and
hotels.
We
we
apply
part-time,
the
building
regulations
and
that
usually
expects
one
in
20
rooms
to
be
of
to
meet
that
standard.
B
So
it
essentially
on
a
development
like
this
it'd
be
reasonable
to
expect
one
of
the
units
to
be
accessible
and
meet
that
part.
So
we
have
managed
to
have
a
chat
with
the
applicant
and
they're
amenable
to
make
this
change.
If,
if
requested.
B
Moving
on,
can
we
move
on
to
the
presentation?
Have
I
got
access
now.
B
Here
we
go
right,
so
the
proposals
for
change
your
use
of
land
for
the
sighting
of
eight
glamping
units
for
Holiday
use-
and
that
includes
a
storage
building
and
ancillary
Works,
including
a
new
access
road
and
the
site,
is
it's
a
field
so
land
off
Hall,
Park
Road
in
Walton,
so
the
red
line
there
shows
the
the
application
site
boundary.
So
that's
got
two
Spurs.
B
The
one
going
to
the
southeast
is
to
provide
the
access
from
Whole,
Park
Road,
and
the
spirit
of
the
West
is
to
provide
an
access
onto
the
footpath
that
runs
towards
the
western
part
of
the
site.
Then
the
the
Blue
Line
indicates
that
the
wider
land
ownership
of
the
applicant,
so
they've
got
control
of
the
adjacent
fields
to
the
the
West
in
the
South
as
well.
B
Yep,
so
moving
on
to
proposals,
this
generally
shows
that
the
site
layout
so
there's
eight
glamping
pods,
which
are
there
I'll,
show
you
which
they
are
so
bear
like
the
the
rectangular
outlines
up
at
this
top
part
here.
So
there's
five
along
the
Northwest
part
of
the
sides
and
the
other
three
are
located
on
the
south
southeast
of
that
site.
There's
also
a
car
park
for
the
users.
B
That's
got
11
spaces,
you'll
note
the
access
road
to
the
southeast
across
the
field
and
that's
going
to
be
time
act
for
the
first
20
meters
and
after
that
it
uses
a
grass
stabilization
product.
So
that's
like
a
grid
which
is
popped
in
and
then
that
can
be
seeded.
It
just
provides
extra
stability
for
the
ground
going
over
there
and
then
we've
also
got
a
bin
star
and
site
storage
which
are
located
just
to
the
east
of
the
car
park.
I'll
just
highlight
those
now.
B
And
the
foot
path
link
to
the
West
yeah
yeah
that
just
runs
along
here
and
the
foot
path
runs
down
here
towards
the
village
and
then
it's
part
of
the
proposals
is
also
a
substantial
Landscaping.
So
that
includes
a
wildflower
area,
mixed
native
with
planting
the
planting
of
new
large
native
trees,
as
well
as
small
native
trees,
as
well,
so
just
moving
on
to
the
the
design
of
a
glamping
pod.
B
So
these
are
called
anthropods
and
the
three
meters
in
Heights
three
meters
wide
and
7.3
meters
in
depth
for
smuggle
and
essentially
the
cladding,
are
treated
Timber
to
the
outside
and
the
ends
are
a
metal
which
can
be
painted
any
color.
So
we've
put
a
condition
on
requiring
the
the
final
details
of
that
color.
But
it's
expected
it'll
be
a
a
green
or
brown
to
blend
in
with
the
canopies
of
the
of
the
trees.
B
This
is
just
a
cross
section
showing
how
the
anthropods
might
sits
against
the
enhanced
landscape
proposals.
So
you
can
see
that
some
besides
already
quite
well
screened
by
mature
vegetation
to
the
edges,
but
this
will
be
enhanced
by
a
new
tree,
planting
and
and
whip
planting
as
well,
which
will
provide
further
screening
from
from
the
key
public
viewpoints.
B
And
this
scheme
highlights
the
the
drainage
they're
essentially
on
eight
units
for
the
gray
water
in
the
fall
will
be
drained
to
a
pumping
station,
which
then
connects
to
the
public
sewer
at
a
point
to
be
agreed
at
a
later
point.
At
a
later
time,.
B
Now,
for
the
context,
this
is
a
location
of
a
site
where
the
Red
Cross
there.
So
it's
a
field.
That's
set
back
about
90
meters
from
from
Hallmark
Road,
it's
well
screened
by
the
existing
mature
vegetation
along
the
edges.
B
B
B
Just
goes
there
and,
and
that
line
forms
forms
the
edge
of
the
urban
area
and
Beyond
there
around
this
clusters,
rural
land.
So
that's
like
a
Countryside
designation.
It's
not
green
belts,
that's
restricted
to
all
the
land
south
of
the
river,
since
it's
within
the
rural
land
area,
which
is
protected
by
Paul
Sierra
one
of
the
the
UDP.
B
And
then
this
is
just
a
wider
context.
So
again
the
site
is
in
the
top
round,
Corner
over
a
Red
Cross,
but
it
just
shows
its
location.
Adjacent
to
Walton.
You've
got
four
parts
trading.
The
state
to
the
South
you've
got
some
Housing
Development
to
the
south
of
Walton.
You've
got
Boston
spa
along
the
the
South
edge
of
the
map
there,
and
you
can
see
the
edge
of
weather
bit
to
the
West,
so
that
just
gives
you,
the
The
Wider
geographical
context
for
the
site.
B
This
is
a
photo
from
holdback
Road
looking
towards
the
site,
so
the
glamping
units
go
beyond
that
that
row
of
trees
and
vegetation,
which
is
beyond
the
initial
hedge
at
the
roadside,
so
so
the
second
row
along
there.
So
it's
set
90
meters
back
and
at
the
access
road
to
take
would
go
through
the
existing
clear
in
between
two
of
the
trees.
There.
B
This
is
a
further
zoomed
in
look
at
the
sites
from
Hall
Park
Road.
B
This
is
looking
Westwood's
along
Holt
Park
Road,
towards
the
village
of
Walton,
so
you
can
see
the
nearest
house
there
on
the
edge
of
Walton.
B
B
So,
just
in
terms
of
The
Wider
context,
so
that
there's
a
policy
within
the
neighbor
plan
which
require
which
requires
key
views
to
be
retained,
and
one
of
those
is
the
key
view
of
aspire.
Now.
You
can
just
see
the
Spire
above
some
of
the
trees,
I'll
try
and
highlight
it
in
one.
Second,.
G
B
And
this
is
looking
eastwards,
so
this
road
extends
towards
the
edge
of
elite
administrative
boundary
which
fenburg
just
sold,
which
is
about
800
meters
away
as
a
crow
flies,
and
you
can
see
there
that
the
road
at
this
location
is
rural
in
character,
with
grass
Villages.
Then
you've
got
the
Hedge
which
provides
the
the
front
boundary
of
the
site.
B
This
is
the
the
access
the
the
footpath,
which
runs
to
the
West,
which
the
site's
gonna
provide
access
to.
Now
it's
blocked
off
at
that
point
now,
where
you
can
see
the
fence
and
the
the
footpath
link
would
just
come
in
just
before
that,
just
before
that
fence
across
the
public
rights
of
way
there
and
then
provide
access
to
the
site
that
way,
and
then
this
book
path
provides
access
into
the
village
of
Walton.
B
So
if
you
follow
that
route
down,
it
then
connects
to
the
footpaths
which
we
we
walked
along
today,
and
this
is
the
access
point
with
Hulk
Park
Road.
So
if,
if
you
were
to
just
step
a
little
bit
further
about
the
footpath
that
runs
across
there
and
that
runs
into
Walton-
and
this
is
a
segment
from
the
neighborhood
plan,
so
this
is
the
the
Key
View
plan,
and
this
is
the
long
range
views
which
they're
seeking
to
protect
so
the
most
well
in
the
northeast
corner.
B
There
you've
got
one
from
Hall
Park
Road,
which
seeks
to
protect
the
views
of
the
church
and
essentially
that
that
cuts
across
the
first
field,
where
the
access
roads
go
in,
and
you
know
as
as
we
look
further,
you
know
into
the
design,
maybe
I'm
going
to
be
behind
that
that
cover,
and
we
don't
think
it's
going
to
affect
those
key
views.
But
that's
just
there
for
context
showing
where
some
of
these
key
views
are.
B
B
You
know
it
would
come
to
the
conclusion
that
small
scales,
tourism
within
the
countryside,
setting
you
know,
can
help
to
support
rural
economies
and
isn't
and
is
acceptable
in
principle
and
given
a
combination
of
its
low
density
layout
setback
from
Main
viewpoints
the
low
number
of
glamping
units
in
the
you
know
the
the
mitigation
measures
such
as
the
the
design
and
the
the
potential
to
include
dark
recessive
colors
in
the
design
of
the
anthropods
plus
the
Landscaping
enhancements.
B
We
don't
think
that
they're
glamping
site's
going
to
be
too
conspicuous
within
that
wider
Countryside
setting
in
terms
of
the
impact
on
neighbors
it
again,
it's
a
small
scale,
glamping
development,
which
isn't
likely
to
be
a
significant
knowledge
generator.
The
applicants
have
also
sought
to
limit
the
potential
noise
Generation
by
setting
the
development
away
from
the
residential
units.
B
So
if
you
just
look
at
this
map
here,
the
Residential
Properties
down
in
the
southwest
well,
the
south
of
that
plan
there
and
the
actual
glamping
units
are
sets
as
far
as
they
can
be
away
in
that
field.
B
B
So
in
in
terms
of
this
biodiversity,
as
well
sorry
come
just
bring
that
plan
back.
I'm,
sorry,
I,
clicked
off
too
quickly.
B
So
we've
obviously
got
the
existing
mature
tree
cover
around
the
site,
which
is
going
to
be
returned
and
that's
going
to
be
enhanced
for
a
new
Landscaping
scheme,
which
is,
you
know,
quite
significant
levels
of
new
planting
to
be
provided
alongside
this
proposal
and
that
will
result
in
the
biodiversity
net
gain
which
will
be
secured
by
a
planning
condition
and
also
when
we're
on
site.
Today
we
noted
the
the
off-site,
which
is
known
to
have
great
crested
newts
and
from
comments
from
our
ecology
officer
and
what
the
applicants
are
putting
forward.
B
We're
going
to
improve
that
habitat
for
for
the
nukes
and
that'll
be
secured
by
a
planning
condition
and
the
applicants
will
need
to
liaise
with
Natural
England
because
it
requires
a
license
to
to
work
with
new
mitigation.
B
B
B
Obviously,
from
that
picture,
you
saw
that
it's
been
closed
off
at
a
point
just
to
the
half
of
the
sites
it
so
essentially
the
the
football
is
a
claimed
path
at
the
moment,
but
it's
been
in
use
for
a
number
of
years,
and
you
know
we
had
free
access
to
to
walk
up
there
today
and
the
presence
of
that
footpath
that
foot
path
link
means
that
people
then
don't
have
to
walk
along
hold
back
road,
which
you
know
which
could
be
dangerous.
B
Given
the
speed
of
traffic,
the
the
grass
verges
which
make
you
walk
on
the
highway
for
some
parts
and
then
in
in
terms
of
drainage.
We've
received
a
large
number
of
representations
from
local
residents
and
and
members
in
in
relation
to
drainage,
and
they
highlight
particular
problems
within
the
village,
particularly
in
relation
to
storage.
B
The
applicants
have
looked
at
lots
of
different
options
to
resolve
these
issues
through
through
the
application
which
has
been
going
on
a
number
of
years
now,
and
it's
proposed
that
the
technical
details
for
drainage
will
be
secured
by
a
planning
condition
and,
as
you'll
have
read
within
the
report,
this
approach
is
supported
by
Supreme
Court
case
law.
B
B
B
We've
also
been
liaising
with
Yorkshire
water
through
the
and
and
our
drainage
expert,
one
of
whom
is
here
today
raise
no
objections
and
have
recommended
the
development
goals
ahead,
subject
to
planning
conditions.
So
whilst
we
understand
it's
frustrating
not
having
these
all
these
details
at
this
moment
in
time,
we
don't
feel
we
have
justification
to
depart
from
the
Supreme
Court
case
law
in
in
this
instance,
and
then
one
final
Point
you'll
be
aware
that
Walton
has
a
neighborhood
plan
and
freely
report.
B
We've
assessed
the
development
against
the
neighborhood
plan,
as
well
as
the
wider
development
plan
policies,
and
we
think
that
this
development
complies
with
enabled
plan
and
indeed
to
our
support
from
one
of
the
policies
which
supports
new
businesses
and
Enterprises
in
in
the
rural
areas.
B
A
Thank
you
Steve
before
we
bring
the
objectives
or
the
members
of
the
public
can
ask
David
to
just
cover
up
some
of
the
points
you
wanted
to
cover
up.
Sorry.
M
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
Just
picking
up
on
a
point
that
was
raised
at
on
the
panel
site
visit,
the
members
indicated
that
they'd
have
some
questions
about
the
public
right-of-way
and
ask
that
a
public
rights
way
off.
So,
if
possible,
will
attend.
M
We
have
tried
to
contact
the
relevant
officer,
but
unfortunately,
their
current,
you
know
on
leave
so
they're,
obviously
not
able
to
to
attend,
and
just
also
just
to
give
you
the
full
picture
in
terms
of
the
the
access
when
the
application
originally
came
in,
which
is
some
little
while
ago.
We
did
consult
with
the
access
officer
and
we
didn't
actually
receive
a
reply
and
that's
not
a
criticism.
The
access
officer,
because
we
received
such
a
volume
of
applications-
it's
not
possible
for
them.
To
reply.
M
Give
us
a
reply
on
everything
that
we've
we've
received.
Every
application
that
we've
we've
received,
but
we're
very
grateful.
Two
two
points
one
for
members
for
for
raising
it
and
drawing
our
attention
because
it
slipped
it
slipped,
past
planning
officers
and,
secondly,
very
grateful
for
the
access
officer
to
come
up
and
give
a
consultation
response
and
further
advice
or
some
advice.
So
so
quickly,
during
the
lunchtime
period.
A
And
thank
you
for
that
David.
In
accordance
with
the
our
protocol
for
public
speaking
at
the
plans
panel,
we
have
speakers
in
objection
to
The
Proposal.
A
So
if
you
can
come
to
the
front
table
please
and
when
you're
ready
to
speak,
you've
got
four
minutes
between
three
of
you
and
that
will
be
Mr
Johnson,
Mr,
Robinson
and
Council
lamb.
N
Good
afternoon,
chairman
and
panel
members,
it's
unusual
not
to
be
at
that
side
of
the
table,
but
our
new
Chief
whip
unceremoniously
kicked
me
off
the
the
panel,
so
so
I'm
I'm
in
the
cheap
seats
today,
but
it's
good
to
be
with
you
and
welcome
to
the
new
members
I'll
introduce
my
two
colleagues
in
a
second
I'm
going
to
speak
very
briefly
at
this
stage
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
N
We've
heard
the
the
recommendation
from
officers.
There
are
a
number
of
inaccuracies
in
the
report
and
in
what's
just
been
presented
to
you,
which
need
to
be
addressed.
But
the
clear
principles
for
me
are:
this
is
not
a
sustainable
location.
We've
seen
and
heard
it's
not
an
accessible
location
in
any
respect,
it
doesn't
meet
the
core
strategy.
Accessibility
standards,
the
bus
services
every
hour,
and
it's
about
20
minute,
walk
to
get
to
the
bus
service.
It's
not
accessible
to
people
with
visual
impairments
with
disabilities.
N
We're
effectively
saying,
as
the
planning
officer
confirmed
the
site
visit.
Those
people
are
not
catered
For
in
this
development.
Just
not
accept
not
acceptable
to
me.
There
are
all
my
matter
of
things
wrong
with
it.
This
is
a
community
which
is
one
of
the
most
forward-thinking
proactive
in
the
city.
Their
neighborhood
plan
is
award-winning
in
conjunction
with
holbeck
and
they've,
actively
gone
out
of
their
way
to
promote
additional
development
over
and
above
the
neighborhood
of,
what's
required
by
the
city
local
plan,
and
they
should
be
applauded
for
that.
N
O
Walton
is
a
quiet,
rural
Village
in
a
conservation
area
with
approximately
a
hundred
dwellings
in
a
population
of
200.,
it
lies
immediately
adjacent
to
thorth,
Archer
Village,
which
has
a
thriving
trading
estate
and
a
recently
built
195
pound
195
unit
housing
instinct.
This
is
a
rapidly
expanding
Community.
To
date,
however,
no
mitigating
traffic
measures
have
been
put
in
place
in
in
2019.
Our
neighborhood
plan
was
completed.
It
was
compiled
after
many
well-attended
Village
meetings
and
the
plan
was
made
by
Leeds
Council,
who
supported
us
with
active
involvement
in
our
team.
Together,
we
agreed
the
plan.
O
We
consciously
sought
to
support
the
Leeds
Ambitions
on
housing
by
achieving
a
commitment
for
a
23
increase
in
our
own
Village
housing.
We
are
well
on
the
way
to
delivering
this.
Together
with
you,
we
came
first
in
a
national
award
scheme
for
best
neighborhood
plan,
with
representatives
from
Walton,
Leeds
and
holbeck
went
to
London
to
receive
the
award.
O
We
make
three
points.
First,
the
plan
requires
that
no
dwellings
should
proceed
along
Hall,
Park
Road,
unless
and
until
the
sewage
disposal
and
Associated
draining
arrangements
are
significantly
improved.
Alternatively,
off-grid
Arrangements
must
be
put
in
place.
That
was
a
stipulation
agreed
with
Leeds,
Council
and
Yorkshire
water.
To
now
accept
this
particular
planning
application
without
an
independent
Disposal
system
would
be
a
complete
odds.
To
that
stipulation
to
proceed
will
significantly
raise
the
frequency
of
overflows
of
sewage
both
onto
the
road
and
into
Gardens
on
Hall
Park
Road,
thereby
increasing
health
and
safety
risks.
O
P
The
current
road
configuration
in
this
area
is
dangerous
and
recognizing
this
highways
have
agreed
to
install
traffic
traffic
calming
measures
to
reduce
the
risks
they
had
promised
to
have
these
measures
in
place
by
September
22.
today,
there'd
be
no
visible.
Progress
on
this
implementation,
Hall
Park
Road,
is
over
already
dangerous.
Any
further
traffic
and
pedestrian
activity
will
increase
this
danger.
There
are
no
public
footpaths
in
the
area
along
along
the
roadside.
There's
no
footpath
at
all,
often
not
even
a
Verge
local
residents
do
not
walk
along
Hall
Park,
Road
Chris.
O
A
Right,
thank
you.
Now,
I
will
ask
in
white
invite
members
if
they
have
any
questions
to
the
speakers,
but
may
I
just
remind
members
that
only
specifically
was
before
us
and
is
what
the
speaker
have
just
said.
Rather
than
asking
the
speakers
is
there
anything
that
you
have
missed?
Can
you
understand
so
I
just
want
to
be
absolutely
straight
and
I
think
councilam
understands
normally
Council
asks
this
question
on
at
beginning.
Is
there
anything
else
and
then
the
whole
chapters
opens?
A
K
Right
just
got
a
number
of
number
of
points
we've
heard
in
the
presentation
beforehand,
but
you
didn't
clarify
the
fruit
path
ownership,
the
dispute
that
you
that
you've
got.
If
you,
the
council,
have
a
different
view.
Did
you
further
than
that
then,
when
you've
answered
that
I've
got
a
number
of
other
questions
we
can
if
we
can
take
them
through
one
by
one?
So
if
you
can
first
of
all
that
the
footpath
ownership,
can
you
just
clarify
that.
N
Yeah
I'm
happy
to
take
that
one
and
I
note
the
chairs
comments,
respect
that
one
thing
I
was
surprised
that
was
admitted
from
the
office
of
presentation
is
a
late
objection
received
from
the
owner
of
the
photograph
which
wasn't
read
out.
So
it's
extremely
short,
if
you'd
be
happy
to
read
it
out,
which
is
that
the
owners
John
Rich.
We
strongly
object
to
this
development.
One
of
the
main
concerns
is
the
use
of
the
lane,
which
is
very
narrow
and
often
used
by
Farm
vehicles
and
tractors.
N
The
right
of
way
is
only
their
existing
gate.
The
lane
is
owned
by
ourselves
beyond
the
access
gate
to
The
Landing
question:
there
are
no
rights
of
way
over
any
of
our
land.
The
rest
of
the
lane
is
private
property.
We
do
not
wish
it
to
be
used
by
anyone
else.
Pedestrians,
as
we
feel
this
will
be
very
dangerous
with
the
big
machinery.
Turning
on
the
lane
for
the
field,
there's
a
few
other
comments,
but
it
is
absolutely
disputed
that
there's
a
public
right-of-way
across
that.
K
K
K
Do
you
feel
that
the
nppf
is
going
to
be
met
in
respect
of
what
you've
said
and
the
what
we're
meant
to
be
guarding
it
against.
N
No
it's
the
short
answer.
The
expansion
for
that
is.
It
refers
to
the
growth
and
expansion
of
all
types
of
businesses.
What
isn't
in
the
report
is
that
the
existing
business
has
been
kicked
off
the
land
which
has
been
farmed
by
the
same
family
for
50
years
and
for
hundreds
of
years
before
that
they
have
been
unceremoniously
evicted
from
their
farming
business.
So
we,
what
we're
saying,
is
we're
destroying
a
business
to
start
a
new
one
that
does
not,
in
my
view,
meet
the
requirements
of
the
mppf.
K
Go
to
paragraph
44
about
chapter
nine
of
the
mppf,
which
talks
about
promoting
sustainable
transport.
Do
you
feel
that
that
part
has
been
met.
N
No,
absolutely
not
I
get
if
you
take
sustainability
in
the
round
and
accessibility
in
the
round.
One
is:
what
does
the
core
strategy
say?
You
should
have
access
to
a
15-minute
frequency
service
to
Major
settlements
that
isn't
there
and
in
terms
of
sustainability
and
accessibility
for
all
people.
N
There
is
no
provision
in
this
application
to
make
accessible
for
people
in
every
circumstance.
Indeed,
on
the
site
visits,
the
officer
confirmed
that
there's
no
expectation
people
with
disabilities,
visual
impairments,
any
other
manner
of
of
disabilities
would
be
expected
to
use
these
facilities.
That
makes
it
unsustainable
and
inaccessible
yeah
right.
K
The
next
one
is
the
one
of
the
things
we
often
come
across
is
consultation
with
local
residents
as
the
applicant
consulted
and
worked
with
local
residents
to
enable
them
to
reach
a
compromise,
maybe
not
acceptance,
but
at
least
a
compromised
position
that
everybody
can
live
with.
O
There's
not
been
one
visit,
there's
not
been
any
contact
with
the
parish
council.
There
was
a
pre-application
visit
which
a
couple
of
locals
I
was
one
because
I
saw
people
in
the
field
saw
the
applicant.
We
pointed
out
some
of
the
inadequacies
of
the
site
like
no
water
supply.
Despite
what
is
being
said
in
in
various
points,
no
electricity,
we
asked
about
how
things
like
bedding
would
be
sorted
out.
Hadn't
thought
of
that
the
wife
perhaps
will
do
it.
O
K
K
P
For
at
least
30
years,
and
probably
before,
then
we
we've
been
residents
there
for
20
years
and
I
have
just
lonely.
Second,
just
show
you
a
long
lists
of
our
dealing
with
Yorkshire
water,
because
when
this,
when
the
sewers
fill
up
it
comes,
the
Walton
sewage
system
comes
down
the
past
down
the
side
of
our
house.
Basically,.
P
It's
what
it's,
particularly
when
the
storm
Waters,
particularly
when
this
when
rain,
fills
up
it
all
drains
into
into
the
sewer
system.
Okay,
so
we've
just
got
endless
lists
of
Confirmation
and
details.
Yorkshire
water
have
had
to
pay
compensation
to
us
at
various
times
for
Goodwill
gestures,
I
have
photos
of
our
neighbor's
Garden,
that's
got
full
of
sewage,
11
000,
liters
of
sewage
was
were
pulled
out.
It
was
sucked
out
of
their
Garden
last
November.
Oh
sorry,
November
2021.
P
N
My
final
point,
so
just
on
on
that
point,
I've
got
a
quick
point.
I
think
Chris
has
as
well
done
so
I
I,
don't
recognize
what
the
officer
said
about
Yorkshire
water's
position.
Yes,
they
haven't
objected
but
I
had
an
email
from
them.
Myself
and
Council
Harrington
have
been
in
correspondence
with
them
for
some
time
to
say
they
haven't
fully
assessed
the
application
they
emailed
me
yesterday
to
say.
N
Yes,
they
haven't
raised
an
objection
at
this
point,
but
they
want
to
have
a
site
visit
which
they're
inviting
me
and
local
residents
to
to
try
and
see
what
can
be
done
and
they're,
not
in
a
position
to
say
if,
if
this
situation
can
be
resolved
or
not,
so
what
was
expressed
that
they
think
developments
should
go
ahead.
Subject
to
conditions
is
not
accurate.
O
O
Some
of
this
stuff
away,
one
of
the
things
that
I
particularly
wanted
to
say:
I've
walked
past
it
and
ignored
it
like
a
lot
of
other
visitors
and
not
taking
it
that
seriously
yeah,
it
smells
a
bit
and
it's
a
bit
inconvenient
and
it
shouldn't
be
happening
when
we
got
into
the
neighborhood
plan
and
started
discussing
it
and
I
was
told
that
what
it
really
means
is
if
you
live
in
one
of
these
houses,
not
just
the
worst
one
of
films.
When
the
that
Sue
was
backed
up,
you
can't
use
your
loom.
O
You
can't
have
a
shower
in
the
morning
Phil
and
his
wife
who's
here
have
to
go
out
and
have
a
wash
and
a
shower
in
the
local
sports
club,
it's
2023
and
we're
still
trying
to
do
that.
We
were
trying
to
do
that
before
this
application
went
in
and
that's
what
it's
like
to
live
with
a
bad
sewer.
There
are
five
houses
in
particular
that
have
to
stop
using
their
facilities,
because
the
sewer
has
backed
up.
K
You
know
and
honestly
it's
the
final
question
in
paragraph
104:
it
refers
to
policy
be4
of
the
neighborhood
plan.
I
can't
see
anything
else
really
well.
What
is
policy
be
for?
It
says.
Furthermore,
the
development
complies
with
policy
be4
of
the
neighborhood
plan,
to
which
positive
weight
can
be
attributed.
That's
the
comments
of
the
officer.
What
is
VE
for.
J
Q
Yeah
I'm
afraid
with
the
the
water,
that's
what
you
get
with
the
privatized
water
industry
and
all
the
money
being
taken
out
in
profit.
I
support
a
nationalized
water
industry
where
the
profits
will
be
put
back
into
to
direct
you.
Q
Fat
hang
on
I've
got
another
question,
so
what
you're
saying
is
that
your
water
want
to
come
and
have
a
site
visit,
am
I
right
because
they're
saying
that
they
do
not
that
the
report
we've
got
here
in
front
of
us
they're
saying
that
before
they
can
give
any
judgment
on
this,
they
need
to
come
and
have
a
a
proper
site
visit
with
all
parties
present
to
look
at
whether
this
is
feasible
or
not.
So
then,
is
that
what
what?
What
we're
saying.
N
Yeah
I
mean
obviously
you'll,
have
read
the
report
and
understand
the
issues
with
the
supreme
court
judgment,
but
Yorkshire
water's
position
is
yeah,
they
haven't
objected
but
they're,
not
in
a
position
to
say.
If
this
problem
is
solvable
or
not,
they've
been
multiple
site
visits,
but
they
want
the
further
one
which
they
emailed
me
about
yesterday
and
that
that's
their
position,
which
is
not
quite
as
described.
J
K
J
Are
there
any
signposts
off
of
Hall
Park
Lane
signposting
a
public
right
of
work.
P
J
As
local
residents,
how
often
do
you
see
if
you
can
see
that
far
down
without
using
it
the
gate
with
being
shown
here?
Is
that
get
permanently
there
or
is
it
normally
open.
O
I
can
color
it
in
a
bit
and
the
fact
the
farmer
is
actually
here,
it's
permanently
shot,
but
that
means
when
there's
not
an
agricultural
vehicle
on
the
lane
he
goes
down
stops
the
vehicle
opens.
The
gates
takes
his
tractor
sprayer,
whatever
it
is
through,
comes
back
close
the
gates
and
then
proceeds.
So
it's
opened
from
time
to
time
during
the
day,
but
most
of
the
time
it
is
closed.
N
I
think
the
pertinent
point
is
you've,
seen
the
state
and
condition
of
the
road
it
isn't
in
the
ownership
or
the
gift
of
the
applicant
to
light
it.
It's
incredibly
dark
at
night,
if
you
imagine
a
young
woman
or
a
couple
of
women
on
their
own,
trying
to
get
back
from
the
pub
down
the
dark
and
they're
not
going
to
feel
safe.
N
If
you
have
mobility
issues,
you
would
not
be
able
to
use
that
row
that
footpath
at
night,
it
simply
wouldn't
be
possible.
So
there
are
so
many
issues
with
it
and
it
isn't
in
the
gift
of
the
applicant
to
resolve
those
issues.
J
My
final
question:
just
thinking
about
the
the
application
site
itself,
the
land
when
we're
on
the
site
visit
today
there
are
several
horses
grazing
on
the
Latin,
but
over
the
past,
maybe
decade
or
so.
What?
What
kind
of
agricultural
use
is
that
land
being
been
in.
O
When
you
say
the
last
decade,
or
so
until
February
well,
you
know
Juliet,
it
was
Bill
that
you
had
to
get
him
off,
wasn't
it
until
July,
there
was
50
whole
50
cows,
the
user
rotation
system.
They
have
them
on
there
for
so
many
weeks,
then
they
move
them
to
another
field.
Letting
the
grass
grow
in
February
is
why
I
got
slightly
confused.
There
was
a
a
thing
put
on
the
website
submission
put
in
by
the
owner,
saying
that
they're
respecting
me
that
they're
expecting
the
grazing
and
they're
going
to
put
in
extra
offenses.
O
O
There
were
only
two
horses
and
one
pony
the
normal
tenants
there
until
last
Sunday
Sunday
10
days
ago.
Six
horses
then
appeared
which
we've
seen
this
morning.
That
is
not
normal.
They
only
came
10
days
ago.
We
believe
they're
all
pregnant
and
they
were
in
a
confined
space
and
they've
come
here.
We
assume
just
for
a
temporary
temporary
mode.
D
Do
you
think
that
one
of
the
unintended
consequences
of
this
application
may
be
to
sort
of
help
deal
with
some
of
the
issues
like
speeding
like
the
sewage
that
had
been
raised
in
this
application?
As
a
consequence.
N
N
The
sewage
issue
is
going
to
get
worse.
The
highways
issue
are
going
to
get
worse,
there's
more
danger
with
more
vehicles
coming
more
pedestrians,
which
you
might
try
and
encourage
them
down
that
dark
Lane
on
the
night,
I
suspect
they
would
carry
on
up
the
busy
unlit
60
mile
an
hour
speed
limit
roads
as
the
quickest
most
direct
and
probably
feel
safer
option.
N
So
no
I
don't
see
any
of
the
mitigations
and
the
fear
is
the
amount
of
mitigation
you'd
have
to
put
in
to
make
it
sustainable
and
viable
being
about
there's
no
shop
close
by
there's
no
amenity.
There
isn't
anything
like
that
in
the
village.
You'd
have
to
make
a
much
bigger
site
and
you
do
wonder
why
the
application
status
for
four
Fields,
rather
than
just
one
and
I,
know
it's
not
a
consideration
but
there's
a
real
fear
that
will
be
coming
back
to
revisit
this
again
and
again.
Saying
oh
there's
just
not.
O
Can
I
do
a
very
brief
one
to
add
to
that
yeah?
Will
we
be
better
off
one
of
the
things
that
I
find
extremely
difficult
to
understand?
I've
only
seen
it
in
the
last
few
days,
planning
application
with
41
conditions
that
need
monitoring
what
a
workload
for
you
guys.
You
know
it's
and
when
we
say
that,
for
example,
from
the
outset,
grazing
was
seen
as
one
of
the
important
things
it's
one
side
of
the
village.
That's
left
with
grazing
the
rest
to
the
north
and
to
the
West
is
all
factory
farming,
big
fields,
etc,
etc.
O
This
is
the
last
grazing
area
is
the
only
livestock
farmer
there
an
undertaking
was
given
that
grazing
would
be
retained,
retained
means,
what's
there
will
still
be
there
within
three
or
four
months
he's
been
evicted?
O
A
Yeah
we
have
the
agent
for
the
applicant
to
attend
to
speak
in
obviously
in
support
of
the
applications.
I
Dear
members,
I
am
Wendy
socket
the
piling
consultant
representing
the
applicants
and
I.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
for
you
today.
This
application
is
for
a
small,
eight
unit
holiday
accommodation,
development
on
the
outskirts
of
Walton.
The
aim
of
The
Proposal
is
to
provide
a
quiet
environment
for
visitors,
mainly
couples
to
enjoy
shop
breaks
in
a
Royal
location
close
to
the
city.
I
The
Proposal
minimizes
the
extent
of
physical
development
in
this
rival
site,
with
only
those
structures
and
features
which
are
absolutely
necessary
for
this
form
of
development
and
additional
features
required
by
Leeds
City
Council.
The
application
is
supported
by
landscape
and
ecological
appraisals,
and
these
form
the
basis
of
The
Proposal.
Ensuring
the
location
of
the
proposed
units
had
a
minimal
visual
impact
on
the
conservation
area,
particularly
the
setting
of
Saint
Peter's
church
and
any
biodiversity
features
on
the
site.
I
The
proposed
units
have
been
positioned
on
the
Eastern
area
of
the
land
owned
by
the
applicants,
thus
ensuring
the
maximum
distance
practical
between
the
development
and
residents
of
Walton.
As
the
officers
were
Partners,
there
is
150
meters
between
the
most
westerly
unit
and
the
nearest
dwelling
surf.
Pedestrian
access
to
the
vision
of
Walton
is
provided
through
the
formation
of
a
footpath
which
links
to
a
metaled
world
before
joining
Hall,
Park
Road
and
its
existing
pedestrian
footpaths.
I
I
These
are
widely
used,
products
that
perform
that
provide
temporary
or
permanent
vehicle
services
between
the
natural
drainage
features
of
the
land,
allow
grass
and
other
vegetation
to
grow.
Thus,
returning
the
natural
appearance
of
the
land
and
have
proved
popular
for
parking
for
sites
operated
by
The,
National,
Trust
and
other
attractions,
such
as
a
Yorkshire
Sculpture
Park,
all
Sites,
which
will
experience
significantly
more
vehicle
movements
than
that
will
be
proposed
today.
I
Furthermore,
there
are
a
range
of
technical
specifications
for
these
projects,
ranging
from
White
pedestrian
usage
to
regular
daily
usage
by
hgvs,
including
refuse
vehicles.
Ongoing
consultation
with
Yorkshire
water
has
confirmed
that
the
proposed
development
can
be
connected
to
the
public
file
sewer
system.
Although
this
is
likely
to
require
upbred
works,
it
would
appear
from
the
details.
I
sat
in
a
number
of
objections
that
the
works
required
could
be
of
benefit
to
local
residents
and
resolve
ongoing
issues
that
they
have
been
experiencing.
I
For
hours
when
considering
the
scale
of
the
proposed
scheme,
alongside
the
landscape
and
biodiversity
improvements,
we
feel
that
the
proposed
development
is
Hurley
in
accordance
with
local
and
National
policy
and
is
appropriate
for
the
location
and
request
that
a
member
seek
to
approve
the
application
before
them
today.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
can
I
before
I
invite
members
can
I
quickly.
Just
ask
a
question
which
was
raised
earlier
on
about
the
consultation
with
the
local
residents,
bear
in
mind,
there's
only
about
just
over
100
households
in
the
area
and
there's
about
200
plus
residents
living
in
this
Village.
Have
you
done
any
consultation
in
in
which
way
you
have
trying
to
contact
the
local
residents.
A
Absolutely
small
development
with
many
issues
which
we've
already
heard
and
what
we
have
seen
that
this
has
been
going
on
from
quite
a
number
of
years
now,
and
why
didn't
you
not
think
about
Consulting
I
mean
it's
something
that
is
a
common
sense.
Isn't
it
trying
to
bring
people
around
the
table
and
trying
to
find
a
solution?
If
there
are
any
issues
that
you
might
be
able
to
address.
A
J
Thank
you
I'm,
quite
pleased
to
hear
that
you,
although
I
think
consultation,
is
always
encouraged
and
I
think
any
pre-application
advice
would
have
suggested
that
as
well,
that
you
mentioned
that
you
are
Keen
to
respond
to
any
objections
received
so
on
to
drainage.
First,
if
Yorkshire
water
say
that
a
significant
engineering
Works
would
have
to
take
place
in
order
to
make
the
drainage
system
viable
and
to
I
think
your
words
were
to
respond
to
existing
problems.
J
I
I've
done
a
number
of
Holiday
Park
applications
of
various
sizes,
drainages
they're,
always
an
issue
that
needs
to
be
considered,
and
the
usual
approach
that
we
take
is
there's
a
point.
There's
a
polling
condition,
that's
attached,
it's
a
pre-commencement
condition
and
we
have
to
provide
appropriate
detail
satisfactory
details
in
order
to
get
that
condition
discharged
as
part
of
the
process.
I
J
In
your
vast
experience
of
holiday
Parks,
have
you
ever
tried
to
get
panic
permission
on
a
site
that
has
drainage
issues
so
bad
as
this
one,
where
foul
water
up
to
I
think
it
was
1200.
Liters
of
excrement
is
on
people's
front
lawn
and
we've
had
an
experience
of
that
before.
I
I've
not
had
any
specific
experience
with
the
sites
which
have
several
problems
on
site.
This
is
an
off-site
several
problems
and
we've
done
I've
done
a
number
of
applications
where
there's
been
extensive
works
that
I've
had
to
be
upgraded.
We've
had
to
spend
you
know
significant
amounts
of
money
and
putting
in
pressurize
your
energy
systems
to
go
over
a
kilometer
from
a
site
and
increasing
and
upgrading
facilities
on
drainage
works
at
Yorkshire,
water,
worst
water
achievement
sites
and
I've
not
yet
come
across
one
that
cannot
be
resolved.
I
I
have
been
made
aware
that
there's
been
leaks
and
flooding
and
drainage
issues,
we've
seen
some
previous
videos
as
well
from
some
of
the
food
events
that
have
been
in
the
local
area
of
in
over
the
recent
years.
But
again
it's
a
technical
issue
that
we
feel
that
we
can.
You
know,
resolve
over
the
Yorkshire
water.
J
Okay,
thank
you
just
moving
on.
If,
if
I
wanted
to
have
a
family
holiday
on
this
location
and
bring
my
disabled
grandmother,
what
would
I
do
with
her.
I
Thank
you
for
those
comments,
those
you,
the
units
that
we've
proposed
can
be
easily
modified
for
disabled
access,
and
we
can
you
know,
depending
on
on
what
the
requirements
are.
They
can
be
verified
to
gain
the
usual
ramps.
We
can
be
modified
to
improve
things
for
people
with
visual
impairments.
I
mean
literally
anything
can
be
done.
J
So
is
there
anything
in
here
so
far
that
makes
an
allocation
for
that?
Is
there
a
designated
pod
for
one
of
the
best
of
words,
that's
going
to
be
accessible
and
in
terms
of
facilities
as
well,
I'm
thinking
getting
in
and
out
the
the
footpath
as
well?
Is
there
any
upgrades
proposed
to
to
make
that
compatible
for
somebody
with
a
a
wheelchair.
I
But
as
I
mentioned,
the
pods
can
be
made
accessible
and
we
haven't
provided
detailed
design
of
an
accessible
pod,
and
it
was
something
that
we
would
expect
to
work
out
as
part
of
the
planning
conditions
as
usual
in
detail,
design
and
we'll
be
happy
to
designate
one
or
even
more
pods
to
do
that
and
the
production
access
that
we're
providing
on
site
will
be
an
of
appropriate
width,
so
it
can
be
used
by
people
with
wheelchairs
and
and
small
children
with
prams
and
Buggies
and
as
far
as
The
Pedestrian
access,
which
goes
from
the
boundary
of
the
field
to
the
road.
I
It's
something
that
you
know
it
didn't.
Look
too
difficult,
I've
seen
I've
seen
people
at
wheelchair
users
using
much
more
degraded
footpath
and
that
and
with
maintenance.
It's
nothing
that
can't
be
overcome.
J
Okay,
I
think
have
you
got
a
copy
of
the
actual
which
would
identify
for
us
that
the
the
residential
The
Pedestrian
access
Footwear-
you
just
referred
to
as
being
not
not
too
degraded.
Indeed,
you
indeed
have
a
right
of
way
over
and
also
have
a
right
to
do.
The
repair,
Works
you've
just
suggested
yourself
by
making
it
viable
or
would
you
need
a
landowner's
permission
to
do
that.
I
The
comment
on
that
in
any
great
detail,
but
usually
people
don't
have
too
much
concern
about
somebody
making
a
mild
repair
to
a
road,
but
we
would
need
to
go
speak
with
London.
I
would
expect.
I
J
Final
question
chair:
could
you
just
explain
to
us
how
you
think
that
your
application
meets
policy
B2
be2
of
Walter
neighborhood
park.
J
One
would
presume
that
you've-
you
have
addressed
this
in
terms
of
before
you've
made
the
application,
design
and
access
to
anything,
but.
I
I
We
have
taken
had
regard
to
landscaping
and
local
views
to
make
sure
that
the
the
actual
physical
design
and
how
it's
going
to
sit
in
the
landscape
has
been
taken.
Care
of,
and
we've
made
sure
that
the
development
is
away
from
local
residences
to
protect
residential
immunity.
I
I
Eight
units,
it's
a
very
small
increase
in
the
number
of
vehicle
movements
and
which
will
be
barely
perceptible
on
that
Highway
Network
we
have
made
qualifications
to
provide
a
safe
access
and
site
management
will
make
sure
that
there's
much
information
is
given
around
the
site
as
well
to
make
sure
people
do
not
walk
in
whole.
Park
Road
and
use
an
alternate.
The
alternative
access
which
we're
looking
to
provide.
Q
Q
Lamb
has
indicated
that
they
want
to
come
on
site
and
and
have
a
you
know,
assess
the
whole
situation
before
they
can
make
a
decision
on
it,
and
you
haven't
done
any
consultation
with
the
local
with
the
local
community,
the
the
we
we
heard
that
the
site
has
no
running
water
and
no
electricities,
or
have
you
spoken
to
or
made
plans
because
I'm
just
concerned
that
you
haven't
spoken
Joshua
about
the
the
huge
drainage
sewage
issue.
Q
So
what
what
other
plans
have
been
made?
Because
at
the
moment
we've
got
a
field
with
no
utilities
running
to
it.
So
have
have
you
spoken
to
other
utility
providers
and
and
how
will
that
work.
I
I
I
There
is
the
financial
aspects
to
deal
with
in
confirming
who
is
responsible
for
what
element
of
the
costs
the
financial
Arrangements
they
they
do
a
number
of
approaches
as
to
sort
of
pay
it
back,
but
it's
entirely
in
line
with
this
type
of
development
around
the
country
and
should
members
look
to
approve
this
development
today
and
there
is
a
pre
commencement
planning
condition
which
requires
the
drainage
and
surface
water
details
to
be
submitted
to
and
approved
by
this
local
Authority
within
three
years.
I
If
the
applicant
isn't
able
to
do
that,
then
the
local
thought
and
he
cannot
commence
work.
So
nothing
will
happen.
So
there
is
that
fallback
position,
but
I
I
think
three
years
in
my
experiences
more
than
adequate
time
to
find
a
technical
solution
and
get
the
plans
drawn
up
the
agreements
made
submitted
and
approved
and
got
the
condition
discharged.
K
When
we
were
on
site
this
morning,
we
were
shown
just
approximately
where,
where
the
metal
Gators,
where
it
was
anticipated,
that
your
fruit
path
would
come
out,
am
I
correct
that
that
is
the
location
because,
again
on
site
this
morning,
there
was
a
difference
of
opinion
as
to
where
exactly
the
fruit
path
has
been
coming
out
on.
That
is
it
down
beside
the
gate
that
is
locked
or
is
it
further
up,
The
Path
towards
the
main
road.
I
The
Pedestrian
access
that
we
are
proposing
will
be
locate.
We
will
be
located
on
the
whole
park
road
side
of
that
gate,
so
that
lock
Gates
will
be.
K
Right,
okay,
the
the
roundabout
way
I
was
getting
to
is.
Have
you
have
you
been
asked
by
the
council
to
assess
the
asset
value
of
the
large
tree
that
looks
as
well
based
on
where
we
were
told
the
entrance
was
going
to
be
that
would
be
affected
by
it.
That
was
the
roundabout
way.
I
was
trying
to
get
you
to
prove
whether
or
not
that
was
where
the
entrance
was
going
to
be
so
down
at
the
very
bottom
just
past
the
gate
on
you
on
the
public
side
of
it.
Let's
call
it
that
way.
K
I
As
part
of
the
application
process,
we
did
a
true
survey
and
we've
also
provided
tree
protection
plans,
and
we
have
avoided
any
Works
around
any
of
the
large
trees
on
site.
The
idea
would
be
to
remove
a
small
section
of
the
hedger
in
order
to
provide
a
gate
that
opens
inwards
into
into
the
application
land,
thus
not
a
blocking
any
of
the
access
word,
and
it
will
be
on
the
public
side
of
that
gate.
K
Noise
pollution
now
there's
a
conditional
here
about
Amplified
music,
now
What's
the
diff.
What's
your
definition
of
Amplified
music,
because
nowadays
the
well
people
a
lot
younger
than
me
seem
to
be
able
to
get
hold
of
gizmos.
That
can
you
know
a
small
ones,
very
small,
handheld
ones
that
can
produce
quite
a
bit
of
power.
Is
that
what
sort
of
restrictions,
when
you
say
you're
going
to
restrict
it?
K
How
are
you
going
to
control
that
and
then,
on
top
of
that
as
well,
have
you
looked
how
far
away
the
noise
will
start
to
make
it
to
make
a
difference?
I've
got
a
glamping
sight
in
my
ward
and
there
are
often
disputes
as
to
whether
it's
50
yards
100
yards
from
the
edge
of
the
glamping
site.
Where
you
can
or
cannot
hear
what's
happening.
K
Have
you
carried
out
any
of
those
tests
and
then
the
final
thing
is:
when
people
are
there
enjoying
themselves
again
on
the
glamping
site
that
was
in
my
ward,
they've
had
to
apply
for
a
license
in
order
to
sell
alcohol,
so
they
need
a
place,
a
unit
to
actually
hold
the
alcohol
in
while
people
go
and
enjoy
themselves
and
they
don't
cause
any
trouble,
I'm
not
saying
that
they
cause
trouble.
K
But
have
you
got
any
facility
on
site
that
alcohol
could
be
stored
on
it,
because
if
people
are
going
for
glamping
in
the
one
in
my
world,
it's
often
used
by
people
who
are
on
hen
parties
as
an
example
which
again
is
not
causing
any
great
difficulty
in
problem,
but
they
do
like
to
enjoy
themselves.
That's
the
whole
point
and
going
to
these
events,
what's
your
process
for
having
enjoyment,
entertainment,
Etc
on
site,
because
there's
no
physical
place
where
there
is
a
barn
on
the
one
in
my
world.
I
So
there's
products
for
everybody.
You
know
there's
there's
Butlins,
who
will
attract
people
who
are
lots
of
wanting
lots
of
facilities,
lots
of
attractions
and
lots
of
drinks.
This
site
is
for
people
looking
for
quiet,
recreational
quiet
enjoyment
of
the
countryside
of
the
natural
environment.
There
is
no
intention
to
provide
any
facilities
on
site.
If
anybody
wants
to
bring
alcohol
with
them,
then
that's
their
right
to
do
so,
and
so
that
we've
started
in
their
own
in
their
own
units.
I
I
If
people
there's
contact
details
for
people
to
ring
in
an
emergency
or
in
case
of
sort
of
noise
pollution
to
a
part,
an
incident
people
who
are
found
to
be
behaving
unsearchibly
will
be
asked
to
leave
immediately
as
part
of
site
management,
and
the
idea
is
to
build
a
reputable
business.
It's
it's
not
a
stag
weekend,
our
home
party
location.
I
These
are
small
units
to
accommodate
General
League
couples,
couples
looking
to
get
away
for
a
Break,
so
it's
it's
just
aimed
at
a
different
Market
to
the
hen
and
stag
party
or
even
the
traditional
sort
of
holliside
holiday
holiday
park
at
the
seaside.
I
I
I
appreciate
your
concerns
over
people
use
it
when
it's
dark,
but
as
we've
set
out
in
the
management
plan,
data
that
we've
we've
given
torches
well
provided
for
the
people
to
stay
on
site,
because
the
idea
is
to
keep
the
lighting
solution
to
minimum
and
we'll
be
using
motion.
Sensitive
rice-
and
you
know
one
meter
by
lighting
where
necessary,
but
that's
it,
but
it
is
just
you
know.
People
do
like
to
get
away
from
the
big
lights
of
the
city
and
enjoy
a
natural
environment.
K
K
How
far
away
is
the
nearest
person
to
who
could
manage
that
site
and
take
action
to
resolve
any
problems
and
also
potentially
evict
anyone
who,
maybe
is
being
a
little
bit
enthusiastic
in
their
lifestyle,
whilst
present.
I
K
There's
building
on
something
that
comes
with
Stevenson
asked
about
the
cost
of
the
flood
risk
management
and
any
other
measures
that
you
need
to
introduce.
You've
got
eight
units
that
you've
you've
got
there.
So,
whatever
total
that
comes
to
you've
got
to
spread
that
over
a
number
of
years
and
over
eight
units,
the
the
units
appear
from
what
we
can
see
to
be
relatively
well
spaced
out
within
the
field
now
forgetting
about
any
chance
of
using
any
other
fields
to
expand
the
business.
K
Is
there
any
have
you
got
any
concerns
that
you,
if
the
cost
from
the
Yorkshire
water
and
the
other
amenities
was
to
rise
to
a
level
that
your
client
will
have
set,
would
they
need
to
get
extra
pods
put
on
site
in
this
small
field
that
you've
got
not
taking
over
any
other
fields,
but
just
narrowing
the
gaps
between
the
pods?
If
the
costs
rise,
is
there
any
risk
of
that
at
all.
I
K
But
if
the
cost
was
to
be
high,
you
would
need
to
recover
your
cost
somehow
or
another,
so
you
can
either
start
charging
people
say:
10,
000
pounds
a
night.
Fine,
that's
one
way
of
recovering
your
your
overhead
costs
or
you.
You
know
you
take
over
a
longer
period
of
time,
which
means
it
hits
the
bottom
line.
So
how
would
you
manage
that
issue.
I
A
F
Hi
there,
the
footpath
access
to
the
site.
Did
you
say
that
was
gated
off
it
had
a
gate.
I
And
the
proposed
pedestrian
access
there
is
no
get
at
the
moment.
The
ideas
will
will
produce
the
a
foot
path
that
I'll
go
from
the
grumping
site
to
the
public
access
and
we'll
be
providing
again.
It's
all
been
discussed
and
we've
provided
plans
with
the
access
of
the
public
rights
away
officer.
Okay,.
F
Yeah
I
was
just
wondering
whether
you'd
had
any
thoughts
about
what
kind
of
a
gate
that
was
I.
Think
the
state
of
the
footpath
is
probably
wheelchair
accessible.
Although
I
I
think
it's
clear
that
it's
not
in
a
particularly
great
state
but
I'm
thinking
that
that
accessibility
will
be
made
worse,
potentially
by
a
gate
that
that
wheelchair
users
would
struggle
to
kind
of
open
and
that
there
are
some,
you
know
more
wheelchair-friendly,
you
know,
Gates
available
I
was
wondering
whether
that
had
come
into
to
play.
All
that
kind
of
thinking.
I
We
haven't
looked
at
a
particular
design
of
gear
as
such,
yet
it
will
be
wide
enough
to
close
off
the
lane
and
the
production
exits
were
given,
which
will
be
suitable
for
this
for
Wheelchairs
and
Prime
users
and
again
we
would
have
to
provide
details
of
accessible
gate.
F
You
would
dogs
be
allowed
on
site?
Would
visitors
be
able
to
bring
dogs
along
with
them.
B
I
I,
don't
believe
they
will
be
able
to
I
think
the
general
idea
is
to
skip
this
two
sort
of
couples
and
avoid
avoid
having
pets
running
around
on
site,
because
well
previously,
we've
had
grazing
cattle
on
the
line.
We've
now
got
horses,
which
is
the
lieutenant
of
the
of
the
land,
and
we
we
don't
particularly
want
to
upset
them.
Whilst
we
are,
you
know,
proposing
stopproof,
fencing,
Etc
and
we'll
be
looking
to
sort
of
minimize
that.
F
Yeah
I
think
that
was
the
kind
of
question
I
was
getting
at
that,
obviously
with
the
potentially
Castle
around
and
certainly
horses,
any
fenced
off
areas,
particularly
maybe
where
it
came
to
accessing
the
the
pond
with
the
newts
in
it'd,
be
important
that
obviously
dogs,
smaller
dogs
couldn't
get
through
that.
And
then
the
final
question
was
just
about
the
road
access
the
vehicular
access
to
that
Main
Road.
F
Obviously,
where
the
assumption
is
that
visitors
to
the
site
won't
use
that
road
they'll
use
the
the
the
foot
path,
but
potentially
that
they
could
use
that
if
they
wanted
to
presumably
and
and
that
might
be
a
a
dangerous
route.
Given
the
lack
of
footpath
on
the
actual
Road
itself,
I
was
wondering
whether
there
were
any
plans
in
place
to
kind
of
deter
visitors
from
using
that
route
and
signage.
F
Or
you
know
any
kind
of
plans
to
to
Really
emphasize
that
that
might
be
a
dangerous
route
into
that
they
had
to
use
the
footpath.
I
The
information
provided
to
your
customers
booking
on
sites
at
the
time
of
booking,
to
explain
that
to
them
there
will
be
an
information
pack
provided
in
the
units
themselves
and
there'll
also
be
some
signage
at
that
access
word
advising
strongly
advising
warning
people
not
to
walk
down
hard
back
road.
J
Thank
you
chat.
We
live
in
a
increasingly
non-binary
world,
I've
been
to
both
Butlins
and
to
glamping
sites.
In
the
past,
it's
not
one
or
the
other
people
make
different
options
and
in
every
glamping
site,
I've
been
to
and
increasingly
every
every
damn
holiday.
We
do
in
the
UK.
We
take
our
dog
with
us
now
and
I
think
you're
really
cutting
off
a
part
of
the
market.
J
If
you
you're
thinking
you're
going
to
be
banning
dogs
this
site
and
in
reality,
I
suspect,
what's
going
to
happen
what's
putting
has
gone
through,
is
that
dogs
will
be
allowed
on
site
because
that's
what
people
want
to
do
when
they
take
holidays
in
the
UK
short
break.
J
So
on
that
point
there
was
a
a
boundary
offense
in
the
garden
we
visited
earlier
today
and
so
I
wonder
if
any
boundary
treatments
are
being
proposed
on
existing
Residential
Properties
in
order
to
protect
them
from
from
people
who
might
let
the
dogs
run
loose,
even
though
got
some
signs,
that
might
say
otherwise.
I
The
election
of
sort
of
dog
protective
offenses
is
not
something
that
we've
specifically
looked
at
as
part
of
this
application.
I
I
You
know:
we've
got
extensive
hedge
oil
planting,
which
they'll
deal
with
subject
to
protection
as
well,
but
it
would
seem
to
me
that
will
be
sort
of
General
site
maintenance
like
if
there's
any
holes
to
stop
I,
don't
know
residence
dogs
accessing
the
site,
then
we
would
look
to
manage
that
as
well.
J
I
want
to
suit
your
guidance
chair,
because
in
a
question
earlier
on,
when
I
asked
about
permissions
to
resurface
the
the
so-called
footpath
and
whether
permissions
are
being
sought,
the
answer
was
no,
but
in
the
earlier
representation
we
were
told
that
the
actual
owner
of
that
footpath
is
in
the
audience.
Would
it
be
in
order
for
me
to
ask
the
owner
of
the
footpath
whether
he
would
be
prepared
to
allow
development
works
on
his
property?
Because
the
answer
to
that
will
probably
determine
where
my
mind
goes
in
this
process.
Chair.
A
Can
I
bring
David
in
this?
You
might
be
able
to
advise
me
better.
M
Yeah
people
correct
me
if,
if
I'm
wrong
but
I,
don't
think
there's
any
anything
in
the
public
speaking
protocol,
which
particularly
facilitates
that
but
I
suppose
the
answer
to
the
question
is
the
existing
right-of-way
non-definitive
right
of
way
is
outside
of
the
application
site.
So
we
have
no
control
over
that.
It's
not
something
we
could
impose
conditions
on
and
require
works
too.
It
is
what
it
it
is,
what
it
is.
D
Yeah
I've
got
about
a
false
short
points.
Really
one
of
the
objectives
said
that
the
man
who's
involved
in
this
application
was
perhaps
the
most
hated
man
in
Walton.
So
I
wonder
if
you
comment
on
that.
D
The
second
thing
is:
if
this
didn't
go
through,
what
would
be
the
alternative
use
for
the
site
and
what
what
would
happen
to
it?
Thirdly,
how
would
you
replenish
the
pond
and
looking
after
the
great
nested,
newts
great
greater
newts,
because
it's
it
dries
up,
I
think.
So
how
would
you
look
after
that
and
are
they
recycling
facilities
to
be
in
on
the
side.
I
Forgive
me
for
Miss
Smith
points.
Please
remind
me
what
they
are
at
the
end,
great
questions
upon
management,
any
Works
around
the
area
will
be
done
in
accordance
with
a
natural
England
license
that
will
be
required,
and
so
there
will
be
professional
ecologists
input
into
that
documentation
submitted
to
Natural
England,
a
management
plan
set
up
and
that's
how
things
will
go
forward.
I
If
it's
not
satisfactory,
Natural
England
will
not
issue
a
license
and
we
cannot
do
any
Works
which
the
notes
and
we
can
be
prosecuted
for
all
that
if
planning
permission
doesn't
isn't
approved
here,
I
suppose
the
first
option
would
be
to
appeal.
Alternative
developments
can
also
be
looked
into
as
well,
and
I
can't
speak
for
the
applicants
at
this
point
in
time.
And
could
you
remind
me
the
two
points?
Please.
D
Yes,
so
he
was
called
the
most
hated
man
in
Walton
and
recycling.
I
Recycling
we
have
a
binstar,
so
we
can
make
the
necessary
arrangements
for
birth,
General
and
recycling
with
to
be
collected.
I
The
units
will
be
provided
with
a
sort
of
similar
receptacles
inside
for
General
waste
and
recycling,
which
the
site
management
team
will
match
up
at
the
output
into
the
correct
main
beans
asked
for
being
the
motivated
one
in
Walton.
It
would
I
think
that's
a
common
thing
for
applications
in
rural
areas.
It's
Merchants
won
High.
A
Thank
you.
I
can't
see
any
any
more
hands
up,
but
thank
you
very
much,
Miss
socket.
So
we'll
move
on
to
the
question
to
the
officers
and
I'll
invite
members.
If
there
are
any
questions
for
offices,
sorry,
Construction.
Q
Yeah,
it's
just
to
highways
officers.
A
comment
was
made
about
traffic.
Calming
measures
were
supposed
to
be
in
effect
in
the
local
area
by
September
2022,
but
we've
been
told
they
haven't
and
I'm
just
wondering
what
what
the
delays
or
whether
they
have
or
you
know
what
what's
happened
with
that,
but
for
people
to
not
not
think
that
they've
been
put
in
place
or
if
they
haven't.
When
will
they
be
put
in
place.
C
I
think
they
our
plan
to
be
put
in
place,
I'm,
not
sure
if
they
have
been
put
in
place,
I'll
have
to
check
and
get
back
to
you.
If
that's
okay,.
Q
Yeah
and
well,
we've
heard
that
there
were
supports
to
be
in
place
by
September
22.
That
was
the
plan,
so
I
appreciate
you
saying
the
plan
to
be
put
in
place.
Do
we
know
when,
because
obviously,
we've
missed
the
dead?
We've
missed
a
deadline
already
so
I'm
just
wanting
to
know
what's
happening
with
them.
What
the
delay
is.
K
B
Yeah
you're
made
to
full
cover
for
me:
it's
it's
towards
the
end.
It's
the
one
that
shows
the
trains
layout
that
one
that
one
please
yeah.
So
the
pumping
station
is
in
this
location.
At
the
moment
there
and
essentially
a
compensation,
is
a
largely
Subterranean
units,
so
it
has
a
limited
above
ground
farm.
So
so
we've
asked
for
those
data.
I
mean
it's
quite
standard
for
developments
where
this
this
gradient
is
used
to
have
those
in
place.
K
B
Yes,
so
at
some
stage
log
burner,
the
actual
glamping
units
have
got
a
log
burner
within
them,
and
some
of
the
residents
have
actually
made
concerns
regarding
air
pollution.
So
we
thought
it
wasn't
an
unreasonable
request
to
suggest
smokeless
fuel
for
those
which
could
be
easily
fitted
in.
B
Yeah
I,
don't
know
which
paragraph
it
is,
but
essentially
the
units
are
powered
by
a
solar
panel,
which
has
a
backup
generator
and
the
the
backup
generators
are
attached
to
the
anthropods
in
the
sealed
unit,
which
helps
you
know,
minimize
the
sound
output,
like
obviously
the
owners
themselves,
don't
want
it
to
be
noisy,
because
then
that
affects
the
residence.
We
were
very
close
quarters.
So
it's
a
it's
a
very
low,
sound
output
from
those
generators,
but
it'd
be
one
per
units.
K
But
presumably
it
all
has
to
go
through
one
control
unit
somewhere
on
the
site
that
you
know
they'll
all
come
into
a
unit
somewhere
that
controls
it
so
that
someone,
if
so,
if
one
of
them
was
to
break
down
some
of
them
the
person
who's
given
the
task
of
looking
after
locally
can
then
come
along
identify
which
unit
that's
actually
caused
the
problem,
because
there'll
be
in
series
it'll
be
in
sequence
right,
that's
how
they'll
be
connected.
Surely.
K
B
It
doesn't
yeah,
I
mean
it
is
a
very
good
point
and
I've
tried
to
set
out
the
context.
So
if
you
refer
to
paragraph
81
of
the
reports.
B
The
development
itself
is
likely
to
be
require
D,
you
know
it's
like
likely
to
be
car
dominated
in
terms
of
the
trips
and
I've
set
out
there.
The
the
national
policy
guidance
on
that.
So
that
acknowledges
that
developments
in
in
rural
areas
are
often
not
well
served
by
a
public
transport
and
essentially
that's
the
that's
what
we've
assessed
against
so,
but
what?
B
K
Councils
policies
on
trying
to
reduce
the
reliability
on
Motor,
Vehicles,
isn't
specific
to
urban
areas,
Suburban
rural
or
whatever,
it's
a
it's
a
quail.
It's
quite
a
clear
policy.
You
might
I
might
disagree
with
it,
but
it's
a
very
clear
policy
to
understand
that
the
council's
intention
is
to
reduce
the
Reliance
on
Motor
Vehicles,
surely
by
us,
allowing
an
application
to
go
forward
that
we
know
isn't
going
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
spirit
at
least
of
the
proposed
Direction.
The
council
want
to
take
us
in
isn't
doesn't
make
sense.
A
M
Thanks
chair
I
did
know
that
Council
lamb
referred
to
the
accessibility
standards
in
relation
to
policy
T2
as
well,
when
he
was
speaking
on
the
application.
When
you
actually
look
at
the
accessibility
standards,
they
relate
to
standards
and
indicators
for
employment
and
social
infrastructure
uses
and
for
housing
developments.
M
They
cover
things
such
as
when
you
look
at
for
employment.
Social
infrastructure
use
is
a
clever
employment,
primary
health,
education,
secretary
health,
education,
Leisure
and
Retail.
Now,
and
when
the
housing
itself
expenditure,
it
is
what
it
is.
When
I
look
at
those
I,
don't
actually
read
that
this
form
of
development
Falls
within
those
sort
of
categories.
It's
it's
not
easily
categorized
within
that.
It's
not
captured
with
within
that.
However.
Yes,
there
is
this
broader
point
about
sustainability
and
the
issue
of
encouraging
or
just
trying
to
discourage
the
private
private
cart.
M
But
then
we
fall
back
on
see
what
the
MP
our
documents.
Our
core
strategy,
is
largely
silence
on
that.
So
then
we
fall
back
to
what
Steve
has
identified
at
paragraph
81.
of
the
MPP
of
our
report
and
paragraph
85
of
the
MPP
f,
and
that's
the
Judgment
that
we've
come
to
I,
suppose
it.
It
is
what
Steve
was
saying.
M
Inevitably,
when
you
get
these
sorts
of
leisure
developments,
it's
intrinsic
within
them,
because
they're
in
rural
locations
well
away
from
the
built
environment
that
they're
going
to
be
in
less
sustainable
locations
with
less
access
to
public
transport
and
less
access
to
local
facilities,
then
you
just
have
to
balance
that
against
maybe
the
opportunities
it
provides
for
use
of
the
countryside
and
any
economic
benefits
that
that
may
bring.
And
that's
just
really
something
for
the
decision
maker
to
come
to
view
on.
K
Final
question
is
we
don't
have
a
specific
glamping
policy
of
any
description
or
any
policies
that
we,
as
a
committee,
can
fall
back
on
to
order
to
assess
whether
or
not
it
is
or
is
not
policy
compliant?
Is
there?
Are
there
any
plans
for
a
glamping
policy
or
a
similar
type
policy
to
be
developed
by
the
council
so
that
we,
as
a
committee,
can
be
more
informed
as
to
what
isn't?
K
Because
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
we're
trying
to
apply
Urban
policies
that
have
been
written
in
the
main
but
Urban
situations,
so
we're
trying
to
apply
it
to
a
rural
situation
and
it's
leading
to
conflicts.
David's
just
explained
how
you've
got
to
take
in
a
balanced
judgment
that
argument.
So
are
there
any
plans
to
try
and
introduce
a
glamping
policy.
B
I
mean
at
this
moment
in
time
we're
working
on
the
next
next
development
plans
moving
forward
and
as
part
of
that
process,
the
local
plan
offices
of
avasters
to
identify
gaps
in
the
policies
where
new
policies
are
the
light,
is
very
quiet.
So
we
have
put
forward
that
I'm,
not
sure
what
stage
it's
at
or
whether
we're
going
to
be
doing
one.
It's
unlikely
it'll,
be
a
glamping
pulse,
it's
likely
to
be
a
rural
tourism
policy.
If
it
does
come
forward.
K
J
In
terms
of
I
think
it
was
cancer,
Anderson
notice,
it
was
a
question
opposite
to
last
speaker
in
terms
of
what
happens
if
this
doesn't
get
approved
today
and
and
the
agent
for
the
applicant
said
that
other
development
could
be
explored
now
increasingly
on
the
fringes.
There
are
people
and
platforms,
political
parties
who
argue
that
we
should
do
away
with
intensive
farming,
get
away
with
cattle
Etc
to
help
the
climate
crisis
Etc.
J
J
B
Thank
you
I
mean
it's
a
difficult
question
to
answer
really
because
it's
the
plan
Authority.
We
only
respond
to
what's
put
forward,
but
policy
rl1,
which
covers
rural
land.
B
Talks
about
you,
know
protecting
River
land
for
its
own
sake
and
the
recreational
results,
and
it
talks
about
being
in
the
location
for
values,
land,
Landscapes,
agriculture,
Wildlife,
natural
features
and
all
service
setting
for
prosperous
rural
economists
out
it's
difficult
to
to
say
what
could
come
forward
under
the
rural
economy.
B
B
So
it's
difficult
to
give
an
answer
on
prospective
developments
and
but
but
certainly
things
that
are
Urban
in
nature,
such
as
Housing
Development,
for
instance,
or
something
wouldn't
meet
the
criteria
being
sensitive
to
the
character,
whereas
I've
concluded
in
their
early
parts
that
a
small
scale
glamping
site
can
be
achieved
without
affecting
that
semi-rural
character.
So
it's
difficult,
but
if
there
are
Countryside
style
developments
that
can
come
forward.
J
Thank
you
can
I
come
back
to
the
the
footpath
then
and
draw
your
attention
to
paragraph
27,
which
is
on
page
24.,
I.
Think
the
public
rights
where
team
have
suggested
that
this
is
a
non-definitive
bridal,
wear
I,
don't
see
any
reference
anywhere
to
this
being
a
bridal
wear
I've
checked
on
the
definitive
Maps,
the
rights
of
where
Maps
there's
it's
not
a
bridal
wear.
J
Indeed,
it
is
actually
defined
as
a
non-definitive
footpath
and
it's
been
a
while
since
I
was
in
English
language
classes,
but
I
will
I
would
assume
non-definitive.
Another
word
for
that
is
indeterminate,
which
means
it's
in
question
and
that's
certainly
what
we've
heard
today.
Nobody
has
yet
been
able
to
say
to
me
that
this
is
a
registered
public
right
of
way,
but
people
have
rights
to
transverse
over
and
when
I
look
on
the
councils
leads
public
rights
aware
map.
It
indeed
says
it
is
not
a
definitive
footpath.
M
M
In
essence,
what
that
means
is
someone
has
made
a
claim
that
that
should
be
a
definitive
public
right-of-way,
and
normally
these
things
as
I
understand
it,
become
definitive
public
rights
away.
If,
with
evidence,
it's
been
shown
that
they've
been
used
as
a
right-of-way
for
20
years
or
or
more
so,
someone's
made
that
claim
that
claims
with
our
public
rights
of
way
team.
M
J
Okay,
so
in
effect
my
next
door
neighbor,
could
make
a
claim
to
the
council
and
say
that
I
I
regularly
nip
across
counts
the
Stevenson's
backyard
when
he's
not
out
and
therefore
I've
got
to
claim
it
and
then
come
forward
with
a
planning
application
to
put
a
granny
flat
in
the
back
garden
and
then
say
I'm
going
to
use
that
Council
students
as
a
back
Garden
to
allow
granny
to
to
cross
over
his
background
without
any
permission
from
him
whatsoever
and
we're
going
to
have
been
asked
to
do
to
give
planning
application
approval
to
something.
J
M
I'm
load
to
comment
on
your
neighbor
or
your
granny,
but
in
in
terms
of
as
I
understand
it,
when
someone
makes
a
makes
a
claim
they
for
it,
it
has
to
be
substantiated
with
some
evidence
for
it
then
to
appear
on
the
public
right-of-way
map.
Now
the
extent
of
that
evidence,
I
can't
ask
answer
and
I
can't
also
answer
the
full
process
and
and
what
that
actually
goes,
the
process
that
they
they
go
through.
But,
as
I
understand
it,
someone
has
to
make
claim
making.
M
That
claim
has
to
come
with
a
certain
amount
of
evidence
for
it
to
be
justified,
as
it
were
to
to
appear
on
the
map,
because
it
seems
there'd
be
some
sort
of
prospect
that
it
will
be
made
up,
but
ultimately,
whether
it
will
or
not
will
depend
on
the
more
detailed
work.
That's
as
I
understand
it
did.
You
want
to
come
in
Peppa.
H
H
I've
quickly
tried
to
have
a
look
I.
Think.
Actually,
this
strip
is
not
registered,
obviously
doesn't
mean
it
has
an
owner,
but
it
hasn't
had
an
identified
owner
since
land
registration.
It
came
a
thing
and
it's
as
far
as
I
can
tell,
but
having
a
very
quick
look.
Whilst
we've
been
in
panel,
it's
not
registered.
J
Okay,
thank
you.
So
it's
linked
to
that
because
of
the
clear
is
that
there's
some
evidence
required
for
us
to
be
able
to
make
a
judgment
there
so,
in
terms
of
policy,
be
two
of
the
the
neighborhood
plan.
One
of
the
things
that
says
specifically
if
I
just
get
up
is
that
any
new
new
land-based
businesses
or
diversification
of
land-based
businesses
are
acceptable
if
they
protect
residential
immunity
and
also
do
not
advertise
the
impact
upon
road
safety.
J
J
So
has
any
assessment
been
done
in
terms
of
impact
on
road
safety
of
pedestrians
coming
out
of
that
Highway
as
access
and
using
the
road
and
to
put
that
into
context
when
we
left
the
site
visit
earlier
and
I
exited
the
driveway
of
the
the
very
nice
homeowners
who
let
me
park
on
the
drive
for
the
visit
as
I
came
out
of
there
at
one
car
came
Round
the
Corner
at
speed
and
I
had
to
slam
my
brakes
on,
and
then
a
troop
of
cyclists
came
through.
J
It
was
almost
like
a
garnisher
before
I
could
even
exit.
So
if
there
were
pedestrians,
walking
up
and
down
there
as
well,
what
would
that
have
any
adverse
impact
on
road
safety?
Hypothetically.
C
E
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
have
to
admit
I
thought
this
was
the
first
glamping
site
we've
dealt
with
and
I
was
surprised.
That
Barry
said
he's
already
got
one
and
he's
in
his
Ward
can
I
ask
Stephen,
did
you
look
at
it
and
did
you
learn
any
lessons
or
did
you
have
to
you
know
if
it
exists?
Obviously
the
first
one
you
can
judge
what
type
of
issues
he
raises
for
for
local
people
and
I.
Just
wonder
if
that
was
taken
into
consideration.
Yeah.
B
B
So
you
know
the
general
considerations
would
look
for,
for
a
glamping
site
would
be
the
same
as
we'd
look
for
for
things
like
a
camp,
Insider
Caravan
sites
and
then
you'd
make
a
visual
immunity
assessment
according
to
to
what's
proposed.
Really
so
yeah
I
mean
the
presents
are
a
non-presence
of
a
another
glamping
sites.
We
can
learn
lessons
from
it,
but
in
in
this
instance,
you
know
I
think
the
report
covers
quite
a
lot
of
areas
that
we've
considered
this
against
and
and
we've
been
been
well.
E
Stephen
I'm
just
surprised
that
it's
not
been
mentioned
and
I
I,
just
wonder
if
David
knows
is
likely
to
cause
any
problems
or
Johnny.
Even
you
know
that
we
clearly
are
aware
of
it.
Aren't
we,
but
you
know
it
seems
to
me
here's
an
example
of
a
glamping
site
which
I
understood
Council
Anderson
to
say,
is
working
pretty
reasonably.
K
K
Not
relevant,
as
it
were
up
to
this
case,
which
we've
got
to
evaluate
as
itself,
but
that's
the
problem.
I
have
it
it's
in
operation,
but
it's
not
got
official
planning
permission
and
enforcement
didn't
need
to
say
that
the
one
of
these
it's
not
in
the
public
interest
jobs
and
it
was
first
brought
in
during
covered
and
back
on,
the
back
of
where
you
could
do
something
for
50
days
or
something
like
that
that
she
was
brought
in
on
the
back
of
that
and
it's
remained.
E
I
think
that
explanation
by
Council
Anderson
it
raises
my
question:
really:
isn't
it
it's
interesting
and
I
suppose
things
did
happen
during
covert
and
you
know,
but
yes,
I
think
we
should
enforce
or
we
should
invite
them
to
which
we
have
to
do
to
apply
for
planning
permission.
And
then
you
know
it'd
be
nice
to
be
able
to
make
a
comparison.
Stem.
F
Thanks
chair
we've
heard
a
lot
today
about
drainage
issues
and
specifically
Yorkshire
water.
I
think
there's
been
some
confusion.
Maybe
some
misinformation
shared
about
what
Yorkshire
water
have
and
haven't
said
about
this
application.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
kind
of
summarize
what
involvement
you've
had
with
your
to
water
and,
if
they've
said
anything
specifically
about
what
affects
this
project
might
have
on
drains
around
the
area.
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
Yes,
I
mean
we
heard
from
from
councilor
Lam,
who
obviously
said
there
was
ongoing
discussions
in
that
regard,
and
that
was
part
of
the
planning
process.
We've
consulted,
though
them
formally
and
they've,
responded
on
on
two
occasions
recommending
conditions
in
relation
to
drainage
should
should
the
application
be
approved.
So
if
not
raised
objections
and-
and
that
would
be
the
the
point
of
process
where
they
should
either
ask
for
more
information-
are
formally
object.
B
I'm,
not
really
sure
you
know,
obviously,
from
my
position.
They've
not
objected
and
recommended
these
conditions.
I'm
I'm
unaware
of
the
other
conversations,
but
that
could
well
be
to
deal
with
an
existing
problem
which
essentially
this
development,
has
to
be
self-serving
and
make
sure
it's
acceptable
from
a
drainage
point
of
view
in
its
own
rights
and
obviously,
if
the
existing
system
can't
take
anymore,
that's
going
to
require
roadworks
and
that's
why
the
feasibility
still
is
there
to
understand
what
those
works
I
like
it
to
be
and
when
they'll
be
required.
B
So
the
you'll
note
that
we've
mentioned
the
the
Supreme
cartridgement
there
and
and
what
we
can
and
can't
do,
and
we
would
have
loved
to
have
all
this
information
up
front.
It's
just
something
that
we
can't.
We
feel
we
can't
ask
for,
or
it
could
be
unjustified
to
refuse
on
that
when
there
could
well
be
a
solution
to
the
problem.
F
Yeah,
so
just
to
clarify,
so
if
we,
if
this,
if
Planning
Commission
was
approved,
it
would
be
on
the
basis
of
this
feasibility
study,
proving
that
it
was
feasible
and
not
going
to
be
a
massive
drain
on
the
drains.
No
pun
intended
yeah.
B
I
mean
it's
twofold:
the
feasibility
still
do
have
to
come
in
and
be
accepted
and
consult
the
option,
water
on
that
and
add
range
people,
and
secondly,
those
upgrade
works
if
required,
will
have
to
be
implemented
before
before
this
development
comes
on
board.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Shall
we
I'm
sorry.
G
I
know
there's
been
no
consultation
on
this.
Is
this
a
normal?
What
would
normally
happen,
or
would
you
expect
something
with
this
sort
of
development
to
actually
consult
the
local
residents,
which
I
think
could
probably
give
a
bit
more
feel
so
how
they
feel
about
it,
or
is
it
normal
not
to
do
that.
B
I
mean
from
a
plan
Authority.
We
always
recommend
that
people
undertake
their
own
consultations
for
an
application
comes
in.
Essentially
we
can
insist
that
they
do
that
and
through
the
planning
process
we
have
our
statutory
consultation
requirements,
so
we've
been
out
and
consulted
the
public
for
their
statutory
21
days,
and
that's
happened
on
a
couple
occasions
when
we've
had
the
amended
plans
as
well.
So
so
there
is
that
far
back
but
yeah,
but
we
do
recommend
it,
but
we
can't
insist
upon
it.
A
All
right,
thank
you
and
we
now
move
on
to
the
comments.
Council
Stevenson
comes
and
then
cancel
Anderson.
J
When
you
look
at
the
protocol
for
making
referrals
to
plans
panel,
one
of
the
things
that
they
officers
regularly
push
back
on
elected
members
on
is
that
they
must
be
material
planning
considerations
for
it
to
get
to
this
point,
and
so
the
fact
it's
got
to
this
point
means
that
that
we
are
being
asked
as
decision
makers,
to
make
a
decision
based
on
the
information
in
front
of
us
put
in
front
of
us
by
officers
in
the
report
and
following
the
discussion,
there
seems
to
me
to
be
two
glaring
emissions
in
that
information.
J
That
would
enable
us
to
make
a
decision
on
the
on
the
application,
the
first
being
the
confusion
of.
Is
it
a
footpath
or
is
it
not
a
footpath
and
on
its
own,
whether
it
is
or
it
isn't
might
seem
like
a
minor
or
moot
point?
J
The
highways
officers
explained
to
us
that
that's
not
been
modeled
as
yet
in
terms
of
the
impact
on
the
highway
and
therefore
I'll
have
to
accept
the
default
position
that
at
dusk
or
at
dark,
putting
pedestrians
down
the
road
that
we
walked
down
earlier
on
when
cars
are
zooming
by
and
we
all
commented
out
and
see
if
it
was
on
the
site
visit
would
have
an
adverse
effect
on
the
highway
and
therefore
be
contrary
to
policy
be2
of
the
Walton
neighborhood
plan.
And
the
second
point
is
drainage
and
I.
J
However,
the
reason
we're
discussing
it
today
is
because
there's
been
a
member
referral
to
plans
panel
to
remove
that
delegated
power
from
officers
and
put
it
in
the
hands
of
elected
members.
So,
quite
why
I
would
then
be
asked
to
to
hand
back
over
a
key
element
of
this
application.
Being
drainage
to
officers
are
not
elected.
Members
is
a
cause
of
concern
to
me,
so
I
don't
feel
like
there
is
a
sufficient
evidence
before
me
in
those
two
specific
areas.
J
That
would
allow
me,
as
a
decision
maker,
to
approve
this
and
and
if
I
look
at
it.
The
other
way
around,
because
if,
if
this
ended
up
at
appeal
and
I,
was
asked
to
justify
you,
my
boss
justify
a
decision.
I'd
made
I'd
have
to
provide
some
evidence
and
I
can't
because
it's
not
here
before
me,
so
frustration
that
this
is
here
now
I
think
the
chair
would
be
my
final
comment.
J
K
Can
I
I
just
well
it's
taking
it
further
than
what
cancer
Stevens
just
said.
I
would
like
to
put
forward
a
motion
that
we
refuse
this
application.
The
reason
being
I
would
have
preferred
to
have
been
allowed
to
have
changed
it,
but
we
have
been
told,
regulate
training
that
we
cannot
negotiate
or
change
an
application.
We've
either
got
to
accept
or
reject
the
one
before
us.
K
The
one
before
us
is
not
acceptable,
in
my
view,
in
terms
of
the
sustainability
policy,
particularly
in
terms
of
Transport
in
terms
of
mppf,
paragraph
84,
in
terms
of
the
mppf
chapter,
nine,
the
drainage
issues
that
we've
had
that
councilor
Stevenson
has
just
explained
the
fruit
path
issues.
The
effects
that
we've
not
had
any
clarification
on
the
disability
use
doesn't
matter
whether
it's
a
physical
disability
or
whether
it's
any
other
form
of
disability.
It's
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
use
that
food
path,
irrespective
who
owns
it?
K
Also,
the
neighborhood
plan
policy,
be
too,
we
haven't
complied
with
the
way
that
that
was
written
and
was
approved
by
an
inspector
and
also
in
terms
of
Highway
Safety,
so
I'm,
basically
proposing
that
we
refuse
this
application,
although
it
would
have
been
far
better
if
we'd
been
allowed
to
defer
it
to
be
quite
Frank.
But
the
only
way
to
do
something
about
it,
because
I'm
not
happy
with
it
so
I'm
putting
forward
a
motion
to
refuse
it.
M
If
I
could
just
try
and
add
some
some
clarity
in
in
terms
of
I
think
the
legal
advice
that
you'd
be
given
the
way
that
we've
interpreted
this
and
it
wasn't
clearly
presented
this
way
and
I-
accept
that.
But
the
way
that
we've
interpreted
it
is
that
it's
not
really
open
for
the
plans
panel
to
seek
to
renegotiate
a
scheme.
However,
if
there
are
matters
say
that
you
want
further
information
on,
then
that's
fine,
it's
perfectly
reasonable
to
make
that
request
and
defer
consideration
of
a
planning
application
to
request.
M
Further
information,
also
I
think
if,
if
you
is
spotting,
something
which
doesn't
sit
comfortably
with
your
understanding
of
planning
policy-
and
you
would
like
the
applicant
to
address
that
I
think
that's
again,
a
perfectly
reasonable
thing
to
do,
but
I
suppose
what
regarding
against
is
and
if
you
spot
a
harmful
aspect
of
the
development,
and
you
think
that
there's
a
mitigation
measure
again,
it's
something
that
you
could
defer
for
officers
to
negotiate
to
see
if
they
can
overcome
that
harmful
aspect.
Q
Yeah
I
mean
on
the
on
the
defer.
I
would
support
that,
because
I
mean
we've
already
talked
about
the
the
Yorkshire
water
issues.
Q
A
Right
your
motion
seconded
by
Council
Stevenson,
do
we
need
to
take
a
vote
on
this
particular
motion
first
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
cancer
hazelwood's
motion
and
then
we'll
take
it
from
there.
K
A
M
Yeah
just
just
to
proceed,
you
all
matter
just
just
to
be
clear.
If
members
resolve
to
not
accept
the
officer
recommendation,
we're
not
mastered.
M
If
members
resolve
not
to
accept
the
officer
recommendation,
the
normal
protocol,
which
we
would
follow
in
this
instance,
is
to
bring
a
report
back
to
a
future
plans.
Panel
drafting
out
reasons
for
refusal
based
on
the
members
concerns
which
would
then
be
for
members
to
agree
or
or
otherwise
just
to
be
clear
on
the
processes.
A
Are
we
still
on
yeah?
Okay?
So
do
you
want
to
repeat
your
motion
again
and
then
in
case
anybody
has
missed.
A
K
We
refuse
this
application
on
Grandeur
sustainability
policy,
particularly
transport
non-compliance,
with
paragraph
84
of
the
mppf
non-compliance
with
chapter
9
of
the
mppf,
the
ongoing
drainage
problems
that
we
potentially
may
have
the
non-clarity
on
the
food
path
and
also
lack
of
evidence
that
it
can
be
used
by
anyone
with
a
disability
of
any
shape
nor
form.
K
A
Seconded
by
all
in
favor
of
motion,
but
you
just
put
in
anyone
against
okay,
so
I'm
a
Democrat,
absolutely
Hazelwood
you,
you
won't
put
your
Motion
in
please.
Q
Well,
yeah
I've,
not
written
them
up
out
but
and
I
am
proposing
that
we
defer
this
because
we're
not
we're
not
proposing
to
change
the
planning
application.
We
are
saying
that
we
want
the
additional
information
that
I
think.
A
lot
of
us
have
asked
for
already:
there's
highways
information,
there's
drainage,
information,
Yorkshire
water
and
you
know
to
go
out
on
site
and
so
I
think
there's
quite
a
lot
there
to
round
up
so
I
don't
have
anything
written
down,
but
I.
Q
Think
yeah,
I
I
propose
that
we
defer
this
application
collect
that
information
bring
it
back
to
panel,
and
then
we
can
make
a
more
informed
decision
at
that
point.
M
Okay,
thank
you,
chair,
just
to
confirm
them
that
members
have
deferred
consideration
of
the
application
for
further
information.
Primaries
come
back
on
issues
relating
to
to
highways
and
within
that
include
the
the
footpath
issue,
and
matters
of
drainage
will
also
with
panels
permission.
Look
at
this
issue
about
disability
access
except
Falls
within
that
footpath
access
and
access
to
disability,
access
to
the
units
as
well-
and
this
is
something
I-
miss
Council,
Jenkins.
A
I
mean
we
had
a
good
debate,
and-
and
there
are
some
issues
which
obviously
definitely
need
addressing
I
mean
it's
the
first
time
I
think
I've
been
to
Walton
Village
and
it's
absolutely
a
nice
place
to
be
and
and
the
residents
are,
are
absolutely
right
to
show
some
of
the
concerns,
and
some
of
these
issues
should
have
been
addressed
many
many
years
ago,
which
I'm
quite
surprised
where
people
live
in
this
Village.
But
yes,
having
a
good
debate.
Learning
about
the
different
Community
issues
is,
is
something
that
I
always
welcome.
A
So
we
move
on
to
item
eight,
which
is
the
time
and
the
date
of
the
next
meeting,
which
will
be
Thursday
the
29th
of
June
here
at
1
30..
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
have
a
safe
journey.