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A
B
A
Right,
okay,
so
I'm
andy
both
from
governance
services.
Do
you
want
to
go
straight
to
a
gender
item?
One
then
chair.
B
It's
okay,
we'll
start
again
good
afternoon
everyone
and
welcome
to
this
remote
meeting
of
the
south
and
west
plants
panel.
My
name
is
caroline
gruen
and
I'll
be
chairing
today's
meeting
south
and
west
plans
panel
deals
with
applications
from
the
south
north
west
and
west
of
the
city,
and
the
aim
of
the
panel
is
to
hear
all
the
relevant
information
from
applicants.
Members
of
the
public
and
council
officers
to
help
members
of
the
panel
make
their
decision.
B
So,
in
order
to
avoid
any
disruption
to
the
meeting,
should
I
lose
internet
connectivity?
I
propose
that
we
appoint
a
vice
chair
who
could
step
in
during
my
absence,
and
I
move
counselor
jules
hesselwood
as
I
always
do,
she's
not
on
the
call
andy
are
we
able
to.
We
are
expecting
her
to
join
us
very
shortly.
Are
we
able
to
elect
her
in
her
absence.
C
I
believe,
such
a
obviously,
if.
B
B
B
Thank
you.
So
can
I
now
invite
members
and
officers
to
introduce
themselves
and
mute
your
microphone
once
you've
introduced
yourself,
we're
going
in
the
old
alphabetical
order,
as
ever
councillor
anderson.
Please,.
B
B
A
I'm
robert
finnegan
a
councillor
for
the
molly
northward.
B
B
B
B
L
B
And
thank
you
and
andy
you've
already
introduced
yourself.
So
can
we
come
back
to
councillor
brooks?
Would
you
like
to
introduce
yourself
councillor
brooks.
M
Yes,
my
apologies
chair.
I
had
a
bit
of
problems
getting
in,
but
okay,
councilor
kaylee
brooks
little
london
and
wedding
sword.
Thank.
B
You
councillor
brooks
it's
a
hazard
of
the
occupation.
These
days,
I'm
afraid,
isn't
it
losing
connectivity?
Okay.
So
moving
to
the
agenda
item
number
one
andy,
please.
A
Right,
thank
you.
Chair
under
agenda
item
number
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
a
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
under
agenda
item
number
two.
There
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
and
public
under
agenda
item
number
three,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
late
items
of
business.
Today.
B
I
can't
see
any
and
oh
I
do.
I
can
see
councillor
shermelt
you're
on
mute
councillor,
shermelt.
F
We'll
get
used
to
this
by
the
time
we're
face-to-face
meeting.
I
don't
have
any
pecuniary
pecuniary
interest,
but
I
wish
it
to
be
known
that
I
am
a
member
of
rorden
parish
council.
That
was
a
consultant
on
the
application
are
on
item
10,
michael
field
house.
Thank
you.
B
B
B
B
And
again,
I
can't
see
any
indications,
so
we
can
take
those
as
an
accurate
record.
Thank
you
item
number
seven
appeal
decision
for
sugar
hill,
close
who's.
Taking
this
one
steve
is
it
yourself.
L
Check
me
nicole,
thank
you,
nicole
yeah,
yeah,
good
afternoon
members.
This
is
just
to
this
is
just
to
give
you
a
summary
of
the
appeal
decision
in
relation
to
a
site
at
sugar
hill.
Close.
L
The
appeal
against
the
decision
was
against
the
decision
of
the
panel
to
refuse
plan
and
permission
for
the
demolition
of
the
existing
dwellings
at
sugar,
hill
close
and
the
construction
of
70
houses
and
the
inquiry
was
held
in
october
2020.
L
So
the
report
sets
out
a
paragraph
one
and
two
the
refusal
reasons
for
the
application
and,
in
summary,
the
first
reason
was
having
regard
to
the
public
sector
equality
duty.
The
panel
was
of
the
view
that
the
adverse
impacts
of
granting
the
plan
and
permission
would
would
outweigh
the
benefits.
The
out
the
out.
L
The
adverse
impacts
would
outweigh
the
benefits
of
the
application
and
then
the
second
refusal
reason
related
to
in
in
summary,
to
garden
sizes
that
they
were
deficient.
L
However,
the
second
refusal
reason
that
was
addressed
by
the
appellant
prior
to
the
inquiry,
and
so
it
didn't
need
to
be
dealt
without
the
inquiry.
L
In
addition
to
the
council's
attendance
at
the
inquiry,
the
residence
group
under
the
banner
of
save
our
homes
took
full
part
in
the
inquiry
and
they
were
separately
represented,
so
the
issues
considered
by
the
inspector
are
set
out
in
full
in
paragraphs
between
paragraphs
5
and
21
of
your
report.
But
again,
in
short,
the
issues
were
and
his
conclusions
on
those
issues
were
that
the
proposal
complied
with
the
development
plan
as
a
whole.
L
He
did,
however,
identify
the
benefits
to
be
that
the
houses
would
be
built
to
modern
standards
that
that
have
greater
energy
efficiency.
They
provided.
L
A
healthier
environment
for
future
residents
to
live
in
that
the
percentage
of
the
of
the
properties
were
adaptable
and
accessible,
and
also
they
secured
much
needed,
affordable
housing.
L
In
addition,
the
inspector
put
great
weight
on
the
condition
of
the
existing
houses,
and
that
was
a
key
consideration
for
the
inspector
when
exercising
the
planning
balance
and
these
again,
the
full
reasons
for
that
are
set
out.
In
paragraph
25
of
your
report,
the
inspector
placed
more
weight
on
these
matters
than
the
council
had
and
allowed
the
appeal
and
granted
plan
and
permission.
L
It
did
conclude
that
our
general
position
on
on
assertions
in
respect
of
refurbishment
was
unreasonable,
but
that
did
not
cost
at
the
the
appellant
any
wasted
expense
and
therefore
he
dismissed
the
application
for
costs
and
costs
against
the
council
were
not
awarded.
L
So
this
matter
was,
as
as
I
know,
panel
will
will
appreciate.
It
was
highly
fact
sensitive
and
the
circumstances
were
were
very
unique
and
actually,
since
the
decision
came
out
it,
it's
already
been
the
subject
of
discussion
at
planning
seminars
and
and
podcasts,
and
the
like,
and
and
during
those
discussions.
L
The
unique
set
of
circumstances
have
actually
been
acknowledged
of
the
difficult
of
the
difficulty
with
the
application.
So
that's
a
whistle-stop
summary
chair
of
of
of
that
appeal
decision.
B
B
I
Thank
you
chair.
Can
we
just
move
to
the
next
slide?
Please
toby
yeah,
so
this
is
a
site
plan
just
to
to
summarize,
this
is
a
a
retrospective
application
for
retention
of
a
single
story
extension.
I
So,
despite
the
the
address
that
appears
on
the
papers,
which
is
49
colwin
road,
the
actual
proposal
is
to
the
tempest
road
frontage
and
the
house
has
been
knocked
through.
It
was
previously
two
back-to-backs,
so
there's
a
bit
of
disparity
between
what's
the
front
and
what's
the
back
next
slide,
please.
I
So
you
can
see
from
this
this
plan.
It
shows
where
there
was
it's
reported
to
be
a
garage
on
that
particular
plan
originally,
which
is
the
one
on
the
left,
but
it
was
actually
a
timber
shed
from
what
we
understand
and
the
proposal
is
outlined
in
red,
so
it
essentially
sits
on
top
of
an
existing
parking
space
that
we
have
some
photographs.
That
will
show
that
better
next
slide,
please
toby.
I
So
this
is
from
the
tempest
road
frontage
again
just
showing
the
the
situation
prior
to
the
works
that
have
taken
place
so
that
the
image
on
the
right
is
how
it
appears
now.
I
Next
slide,
please
that's
from
the
colwin
road,
and
so
you
you
don't
really
get
to
see
much
of
it
from
that
particular
frontage,
because
it's
obviously
set
well
back
next
slide.
Please-
and
these
are
just
the
two
side
elevations
and
the
one
with
the
window
in
just
to
note
that
faces
in
towards
the
application
site.
So
the
blank
gable
is
the
one
that
faces
the
neighboring
property
next
slide.
I
Please
so
here's
some
site
photos
and
essentially
the
the
structure
there
is
just
to
the
right
of
the
tree
and
behind
the
silver
car,
and
so
it's
got
a
fairly
traditional
garage
roller
shutter
door,
and
you
can
see
there.
It's
breeze
block
construction
and
you
can
just
about
make
out
the
the
side
window
as
well
and
you'll
see
from
the
report
that
it's
in
an
unfinished
condition
at
the
moment
it
is
proposed
to
be
rendered
and
but
that's
sort
of
contextually
how
it
sits
in
the
street
next
slide.
I
I
So
this
is
looking
up
the
street
and
you
can
see
the
the
slope,
slope
and
nature
of
the
street,
and
one
thing
to
note
really
from
this
this
particular
photo
and-
and
perhaps
some
of
the
the
ones
to
come
is
the
the
boundary
treatment.
This
area
was
subject
to
environmental
improvements,
and
so
there
is
a
uniform
boundary
treatment
along
the
whole
of
the
frontages,
and
you
can
just
make
out.
I
I
I
I
So
this
is
an
image
sort
of
just
taking
a
bit
more
of
the
street
in
so
you
can
just
about
see
the
tree
and
the
garage
sits
below
the
spire
of
the
church
in
the
background
now,
obviously,
if
that
was
to
be
rendered,
presumably
it
would
be
painted
to
match
the
the
property
as
well
so
be
white
or
cream,
but
you
can
again
appreciate
sort
of
the
strong
building
line
from
that
particular
image.
I
Next
slide,
please
toby,
and
this
is
looking
down
from
the
street
and
you
can
see
from
the
report.
There
is
reference,
and
particularly
from
councillor
bill
who's,
the
only
person
who
has
commented
on
the
application,
and-
and
that
indeed,
is
the
reason
why
this
application
is
has
been
brought
to
plans
panel
at
his
request,
and
but
these
are
some
of
the.
There
are
some
some
structures
that
also
appear
in
others,
gardens
and
but
they're
clearly
of
a
of
a
temporary
nature.
I
I
I
As
I've
mentioned
councillor
iqbal
is
the
only
person
who's
made
representations
on
this,
and,
despite
it
being
situated
on
a
parking
space,
we
we
haven't,
sought
to
advance
a
highway
reason
for
refusal,
primarily
because
it
wasn't
available
beforehand
and
also
by
not
requiring
the
vehicle
or
access
into
that
space
you
that
frees
up
space
to
the
frontage.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
it
cancels
itself
out,
but
the
officer
recommendation
is
to
a
refusal
on
design
grounds.
B
Thank
you
david,
and
can
I
now
ask
pamela
if
there
are
any
questions
you'd
like
to
ask
offices
about
this
application.
B
C
Just
just
a
quick
one
to
try
and
get
visualize
it
in
my
mind.
So
if
I
look
at
the
photographs,
then
the
entrance
to
the
well
to
all
the
intense
purposes
garage
is
from
tempest
road
through
a
roller
shutter
door.
Is
that
correct
david.
C
I
B
Okay,
thank
you
colin
councillor,
hesselwood,
and
then
I've
got
councillor
ray.
E
G
It
it's
really
just
ascertain
what
discussion
has
been
had.
It
is.
The
main
objection
is
over
the
design.
What
conversations
have
been
had
with
the
applicant
over
altering
the
design
to
make
it
acceptable,
or
is
it
just
an
outward
outright?
In
principle,
refusal
from
officers.
I
Thank
you
yeah.
I
I
think
on
this
particular
one.
Ultimately,
the
the
the
sighting
of
the
building
is
is
fundamentally
the
issue
in
terms
of
its
how
prominent
it
is
within
the
street
scene.
So
clearly
it
does
need
to
be.
If
it
was
to
be
approved,
it
would
need
to
be
rendered.
That
would
offer
some
improvement
and,
and
indeed
the
applicant
has
has
indicated
that
that's
what
he
intends
to
do,
but
ultimately
that
doesn't
overcome
our
concerns.
B
Okay,
I
can't
see
any
more
questions.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that
jeff
I
mean,
I
suppose
my
questions
and
I
did
like
say:
I've
not
really
looked
at
this
one,
overly
because
we've
been
in
the
world
and
I've
allowed
catholic
faith
to
raise
its
own
objection.
But
I
suppose
my
question
is:
there
are
a
lot
of
temporary
structures
down
that
road,
which
presumably
would
have
needed
some
planning
form
of
planning
permission.
I
Yeah,
essentially,
we've
we've
received.
The
reason
for
this
planning
application
is
follows
on
from
an
enforcement
investigation,
so
somebody
has
reported
it
to
the
council
and
off
the
back
of
that,
they
they
sought
to
regulate
the
situation
with
a
planning
application.
I
I
think
most
people
will
agree
that
they,
they
don't
look
particularly
great
and
they
won't
have
planning
permission,
and
we
haven't
necessarily
looked
into
the
details
as
to
how
long
they've
been
there,
for
example,
and
so
some
could
have
been
there
for
over
four
years
and
and
be
immune
for
example,
and
so
I
guess
we've
just
dealt
with
this
particular
application.
I
We
don't
think
the
presence
of
those
other
structures
justifies
supporting
and
what
we
consider
to
be
unacceptable
development
and
if,
if
a
takeaway
message
from
this
is
we
should,
as
a
as
an
authority,
look
further
into
those
other
structures
because
of
the
impact
they
also
have.
We
can
certainly
look
to
do
that.
G
G
Is
there
a
potential
that
the
inconsistency
of
enforcement
across
the
rest
of
that
street,
whether
they're,
impossible
or
not?
Now
would
actually
put
the
applicant
in
position
that
if
they
were
to
appeal
they
would
have
a
relatively
strong
way
to
say
well,
the
rest
of
the
street
hasn't
been
done
and
this
one's
trying
to
understand
are
we
setting
ourselves
up
for
an
appeal?
Basically
we're?
Actually
our
arguing
points
quite
weak.
I
I
I
think,
ultimately,
we've
got
adopted
guidance
and
policies
that
are
in
place
that
that
indicate
that
this
isn't
a
form
of
development
that
should
be
supported
and,
as
with
an
awful
lot
of
development
and
sort
of
the
similar
proposals
elsewhere
are
often
used
to
justify
more
of
the
same,
and,
to
be
honest,
we
do
look
to
resist
that
because
otherwise
you
don't
secure
any
improvements
and
ultimately
each
application
is
considered
on
its
own
merits.
So
we
would
certainly
look
to
fight
this.
A
You
chair
and
just
to
say
I
think,
councillor
reyes
asked
what
I
was
going
to
ask
really,
but
I
was
saying
the
asking
about
the
other
structures
and
you
said
that
they're
temporary
they
are
they
breeze,
blocked
or
just
wooden.
You
know,
and
is
this
setting
a
precedent
so,
for
example,
if
we
grant
this,
the
others
can
remove
their
temporary
structure
as
you
call
it
and
then
apply.
I
David
yeah,
this
is
this-
is
specifically
referenced
in
the
in
the
report
that
actually
clearly
some
of
these
occupiers
have
a
have
a
a
desire
to
provide
additional
sort
of
built
development
within
their
cartilage
and,
at
the
moment,
that's
largely
been
done
by
fairly
lightweight
easily
removable
sheds,
or
some
of
them
are
metal
structures.
I
B
F
Remember
to
warn
me
just
a
couple
of
observations.
I
I
totally
take
the
point
about
creating
a
precedent
I
mean
I
could.
I
could
choose
to
ignore
that,
but
we're
not
comparing
like
we'd
like
here,
because
these
are
two
back-to-backs
that
have
been
knocked
through,
so
it
that
that,
unless
the
others
other
houses
in
the
streets
to
have
done.
F
Similarly,
then
we're
not
comparing
like
we'd
like,
and
in
this
case,
although
it
doesn't
make
an
awful
lot
of
difference,
they
have
put
this
structure
over
a
parking
space,
but
I
can
see
that
what
will
what
could
happen?
But
this
is
speculation,
only
is
that
in
future,
anybody
else
applying
would
want
to
put
a
more
permanent
structure
instead
of
a
shed,
but
potentially
that
could
increase
the
the
amount
of
on-street
parking,
which
looks
as
though
it's
under
strain
as
it
is.
F
B
It
chair,
thank
you,
councillor
campbell,
do
I
have
a
seconder
please.
B
B
Very
much
indeed
steve
would
you
like
to
sum
up
briefly
for
us.
Thank
you.
H
Yeah,
the
application
has
been
refused,
as
per
the
officer
recommendation,
we'll
post
it
to
enforcement
to
seek
its
removal.
B
J
Thank
you
chair,
so
the
application
relates
to
an
outline
proposal
for
residential
development
at
land
off
oldfield
lane
in
workley.
At
this
stage,
the
matters
for
consideration
by
members
is
the
principle
of
development
and
access
into
the
site,
with
all
other
matters
reserved
for
a
future
application.
J
The
applicant
for
this
application
is
elite
city
council
and
the
proposal
will
be
to
deliver
100
council
housing
on
the
site.
Next
slide,
please
toby.
Thank
you.
So
this
slide
shows
the
red
line
boundary
of
the
site
which
measure
measures
1.7
hectares
in
total
and
is
allocated
for
housing
within
the
adopted
sap
for
information.
J
There
are
site
requirements
within
the
sap
that
require
any
development
to
provide
on-site
green
space
to
link
up
with
the
existing
green
space
to
the
north,
which
is
just
beyond
the
red
line
boundary
to
provide
a
green
link
from
oldfield
lane
to
the
green
space
and
local
improvements
to
existing
sports
facilities
within
the
local
area.
Next
slide,
please
thank
you.
So
this
is
an
overhead
image
to
show
the
site
in
context.
The
application
site
is
located
at
the
bottom
center
of
the
image
to
the
left
of
the
asda
store.
J
Residential
properties
are
located
to
the
south,
west
and
east
of
the
site,
with
existing
green
space
to
the
north
beyond
the
tree
belt,
that
is
shown
in
the
image
footpath
connections
exist
between
mountains,
replaced
the
top
right
of
the
site
to
oldfield
avenue
to
the
left.
This
footpath
also
connects
to
a
route
going
north
through
this
existing
green
space.
J
So
these
two
photos
are
taken
from
oldfield
lane
looking
at
the
site
at
the
point
where
the
vehicle
access
is
proposed.
The
second
photo
is
taken
in
the
same
location,
but
is
looking
slightly
toward
the
right
towards
the
as
the
star.
As
you
can
see.
Next
slide,
please
so
the
photo
to
the
left
is
taken
from
the
mom's
brace,
which
is
to
the
right
of
the
application
site
with
the
gap
in
the
wall
evident
in
the
top
corner,
which
allows
access
onto
the
site,
as
well
as
to
the
footpath
that
runs
to
the
north.
J
J
Next
slide,
please,
the
left
photo
is
again
taken
from
oldfield
lane,
but
he's
looking
to
the
east
towards
the
existing
dwellings
within
the
arms
bridge,
the
right-hand
photo
is
taken
from
oldfield
avenue
to
the
west
of
the
site
and
shows
the
area
of
had
standing
within
the
site
that
was
associated
with
its
former
use.
Next
slide,
please.
J
So
this
final
photo
is
again
taken
from
all
field
avenue
and
it
is
to
show
that
there
is
a
difference
in
levels
between
the
application
site
and
oldfield
avenue.
You
just
may
count
the
the
shrubs
in
the
tree
next
slide.
Please.
Thank
you.
J
So
this
is
a
submitted
block
plan
which
shows
the
vehicle
access
to
the
site
located
in
the
bottom
left
of
the
plan
adjacent
to
the
pub
given
that
this
is
an
outline
application.
There
is
limited
information
provided.
However,
what
this
does
show
is
how
the
site
requirements
for
the
sap
could
be
accommodated
within
the
site.
J
Members
do
have
a
full
report
in
front
of
them
and,
however,
the
main
points
for
consideration
on
this
application
is
the
principle
of
development
and
vehicle
access
to
the
site.
In
terms
of
the
principle
the
site
is
allocated
for
housing
and,
as
such
officers
consider
that
there
are
enough
planning
reasons
not
to
support
the
principle.
J
Conditions
are
to
be
attached
to
any
approval
which
deals
with
matters
relating
to
accessible
homes,
space
standards,
housing
mix,
environmental
policies
and
the
matters
relating
to
the
specific
site
requirements
with
regard
to
vehicular
access.
This
has
been
assessed
by
the
highways
officer
and
there
have
been
no
concerns
raised.
The
required
visibility.
Displays
can
be
achieved
and
are
shown
on.
The
block
plan
internal
roads
and
accesses
will
be
dealt
with
with
on
a
subsequent
reserve
matters
application
and,
as
such,
there
are
no
highways
objections
to
the
proposal.
J
Sport
england
have
raised
an
objection
to
the
proposal.
However,
they
also
recognize
that
they
are
not
a
statutory
council
c
in
line
with
the
development
management
procedure
order,
given
that
the
last
official
use
of
the
site,
our
sports
facilities,
is
in
excess
of
10
years
as
such
and
in
light
of
the
site,
location
officers
do
not
consider
that
that
objection
raised
alters
the
view
with
regard
to
the
principle
of
development
on
this
site
housing
development
on
this
site.
J
It
is
also
recognized
that
a
significant
level
of
representation
has
been
received
to
the
application.
However,
a
large
majority
of
these
relate
to
the
principle
of
development
which
has
been
mentioned
earlier,
has
been
well
established
through
the
sap
and
is
now
a
housing
allocation.
All
the
material
comments
raised
have
been
robustly
covered
within
the
report.
J
Finally,
just
to
update
members,
we
have
received
comments
from
lee
city
council
education
team,
who
said
the
development
would
yield
approximately
15
primary
and
six
secondary
scope
pupils
in
total.
This
is
considered
to
be
a
very
low
yield,
which
can
be
accommodated
within
the
schools
nearby
recently
as
well.
H
Chair
just
on
that
latter
point,
could
I
just
invite
nicole
walker
to
see
whether
she
would
like
from
legal
service
to
see
whether
she'd
like
to
add
anything
on
that
particular
point
just
so.
Members
are
clear
because
it
is
quite
a
key
issue
that
that
has
been
raised
by
residents,
although
not
germane
to
this
application.
Thank
you.
L
Thanks
chair,
yes,
just
to
confirm
that
in
relation
to
this
site,
there
are
no
covenants
on
the
land
that
relate
to
anything
to
do
with
retaining
sports
pictures
or
open
space
or
of
that
kind
of
nature.
L
So,
even
if
there
were
covenants,
it
wouldn't
be
relevant
for
your
planning
for
your
planning
considerations,
but
I
can
clarify
that
there
are
no
such
covenants.
H
It's
purely
on
the
application
for
use
of
the
land
for
residential,
as
has
been
said
quite
clearly
by
stewart,
it's
a
sap
allocation.
Therefore,
the
principle
of
development
has
been
accepted
previously,
so
it's
purely
on
the
basis
of
the
outline
application
in
front
of
you.
Thank
you,
chair.
B
Thank
you,
and
we
do
have
some
speakers
on
this
item.
Mr
john
turner,
I
think
first
speaking
in
objection
to
the
application
is
mr
turner,
with.
B
So
again,
I
just
need
some
advice.
Please,
mr
butler,
if
we
only
have
the
one
speaker
is
that
can
the
one
speaker
have
four
minutes
or
I
know
originally,
the
two
speakers
were
going
to
split
the
time
between
the
two
of
them
two
minutes
each.
It's.
B
Yes,
but
if,
in
effect,
if
we
offer
mrs
o'keefe
sorry
to
talk
about
you
in
the
third
person,
when
you
hear
claire,
my
apologies,
if
the
other
speaker
turns
up,
that
means
he
couldn't
speak.
Is
that
correct.
B
Claire
would
you
like
to
to
use
a
full
four
minutes,
since
we
seem
to
have
that
time
available
for
you?
Yes,
please!
Okay,
that's
absolutely
fine!
So
in
your
own
time
you
will
be.
You
will
be
cut
off
after
the
four
minutes.
Then
I
will
obviously
allow
you
to
complete
the
sentence
that
you're
on
okay
in
your
own
time
when
you're
ready,
okay.
N
I'm
clear:
okay
for
retired
children,
center
teacher
passion
for
outside
play.
I've
worked
for
my
life
elite
city
council.
I've
always
believed
in
the
principles
of
elite
city
council,
but
this
matter
has
challenged
me
so
the
opposition.
I
want
to
first
direct
you
to
council
law
and
forsake
objection,
because
in
there
she
clarifies
the
details
of
the
deficiency
of
sports
provision
in
the
area
and
regarding
sport,
england's
objection.
N
N
You've
got
a
big
parcel
of
land,
98
million,
something
like
that
where
social
housing
could
be
built
in
the
order
of
green
space
is
2017
in
the
pre-planning
documents
which
were
based
on
data
from
2014
now,
2021
and
population
has
increased.
So
a
lot
of
these
wars
going
to
be
deficient
in
green
spaces.
N
So
we
established
with
the
council's
chief
executive
that,
due
to
an
error
in
this
paper,
farley
and
work
reward
is
massively
deficient
in
outdoor
sports
provision
by
around
six
hectares
or
more
that's
about
15
acres.
The
chief
executive
stated
to
ours
in
this
era
will
be
amended
in
future
documents.
N
N
We
are
told
that
the
lack
of
pitches
in
leeds
is
being
addressed
by
the
park
live
project
providing
out-of-town,
3g
pitches.
It
suggested
that
profits
from
the
sale
of
our
historic
playing
field
will
be
put
into
this
pot
of
money.
That's
money
going
around
in
a
circle
and
what
sport
leads
is
saying
in
their
submission
is
sell
off
your
local
sports
ground.
N
N
N
I'm
going
to
quote
from
sport
lead
again
the
old
field
lane
site
as
a
single
pitch
facility.
It's
not
a
single
pitch
very
limited
access
of
my
build
there
and
opportunities
for
development,
serious
health
and
safety
failings
and
serious
vandalism.
That
raises
a
big
flag
to
me
about
provision
for
young
people
in
this
area,
a
space
for
a
range
about
indoor
and
outdoor
activities
and
a
once
in
a
lifetime
opportunity
to
provide
a
much
needed
focus
for
the
working
community.
N
Our
playing
field
is
in
use,
now
is
in
daily
use
and
we
have
provided
evidence
to
sport,
england's
or
football
matches
being
played
and
that
grass,
you
saw
that's
been
done
by
the
community
by
old.
Ladies,
like
me,
with
the
lawn
mowers
on
there
restoring
the
pitch
it's
the
best
strained
football
pitch
in
leeds.
Are
people
angry
that
the
trustees
neglected
it?
There
are
six
netball
courts,
we'd
like
to
restore
them,
and
the
community
are
up
for
that
neglecting
the
site
to
provide
an
argument
for
selling.
It
should
not
be
an
action
that
is
rewarded.
N
B
N
B
N
B
You
I'm
now
going
to
invite
members
of
the
panel
to
ask
you
if
they
have
any
questions
of
you,
claire.
So
members
of
the
panel
any
questions,
councillor
finnegan.
A
N
There
probably
are
a
lot
of
things,
but,
as
you
can
tell
I'm,
I'm
quite
rattled,
I
think
you
need
to
take
into
account
that
the
community
has
taken
this
playing
field
back
into
a
playing
boss
situation,
which
is
phenomenal,
considering
the
circumstances
were
under
at
this
moment
and
that
we
are
playing
matches
on
it
at
the
moment,
and
it
is
a
really
good
football
pitch
and
those
netball
courts
are
amazing.
B
E
Yes,
thank
you
claire.
Just
a
couple
questions
I
understand
from
from
speaking
to
local
residents
and
that
during
the
the
pandemic
and
the
lockdowns
we've
had,
the
local
community
have
very
much
taken
this
land
back
into
their
own.
If
you
like
and
they've,
been
doing
a
lot
of
cleaning
and
clearing
and,
as
you
say,
mowing
the
grass
and
I
understand
that
it's
now,
although
it
hasn't
been
used
officially
for
sports
for
about
10
years,
it's
now
being
used
for
informal
sports
for
children.
E
So
not
maybe
an
organized
football
team,
but
there
are
games
going
on
on
the
on
on
there
and
and
well,
not
at
the
moment,
but
in
between
lockdowns
it
has
been
and
and
also
people
are
using
it
for
their
daily
exercise
as
well.
I'd
just
like
you
to
to
comment
on
that.
My
other
comment
is
that
the
the
well
one
of
the
questions
it
bored
his
army
and
I
I
think
from
memory
we
only
have
one
park
in
armley
and
this
board
is
armely
ward.
N
N
There
are
pictures
there,
but
there
a
rather
poor
condition-
and
this
is
where
the
error
has
been
made
by
elite
city
council
armley,
where
my
grandchildren
live
chronically
deficient
in
outdoor
outdoor
sports
provision
and
in
a
number
of
other
typologies
of
green
space
as
well.
Newark
lee,
which
is
part
of
farming
award,
is
one
of
the
most
efficient
areas
of
all
green
spaces
in
leeds
and
has
only
really
the
big
cemetery
to
speak
for
it.
So,
in
actual
fact,
there
are
in
all
surrounding
areas.
N
D
N
I
want
to
see
more
council
housing
in
leeds,
but
that
isn't
really
an
argument
for
destroying
sports
provision
for
children.
We
already
have
slightly
more
council
housing
in
this
ward
than
other
awards
in
in
laser
on
the
national
average
and
there's
a
lot
of
poverty
to
prep
deprivation.
If
you
look
on
the
you
know,
your
data
website
there's
lots
of
indicators,
less
car
ownership.
Only
half
the
families
in
army
have
a
car.
Only
a
third
of
the
families
in
working
have
access
to
a
car.
N
We've
got
worker
irregular
ground
with
the
pictures
on
it
behind
there
is
a
great
fall
of
land
facing
south
brilliant
for
compact
eco
housing.
At
the
same
time,
you
could
drain
those
pictures
which
are
terribly
boggy
and
put
in
the
ground
source
heat
pump.
Marvelous
project
for
leads
real
flagship
project.
There
are
solutions
to
this
problem
that
we
want
to
work
with
the
council
on
that
belt
of
housing
behind.
N
B
Okay,
in
that
case,
can
I
thank
you
very
much
indeed
for
coming
and
joining
us
this
afternoon
and
sharing
those
important
thoughts
with
us.
Thank
you
very
much
claire.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Now
we
do
have
a
speaker
against.
I've
actually
got
three
names
here,
so
perhaps
we
could
just
clarify
who,
who
it
is.
That's
speaking
I
know,
mark
denton
is
here
for
questions.
B
O
Thank
you
chair,
so
my
name
is
laura
whitehead
and
I'm
the
project
lead
for
this
scheme
in
the
council.
Housing
growth
team
I'll
be
supporting
the
planning
application
for
the
site
at
old
field
lane
in
the
family
and
whitley
ward,
richard
merrill's,
director
of
watson
battery
and
lead
architect
for
the
development
and
matt
denton
head
of
programme
in
the
council.
Housing
growth
team
are
also
available
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
on
our
proposals.
O
O
O
These
requirements
include
providing
on-site
green
space,
improving
access
to
and
through
the
site
and
making
off-site
contributions,
enhanced
green
space
and
sports
facilities
in
the
world.
The
second
point
I'd
like
to
make
is
with
regard
to
housing
quality.
The
council's
housing
growth
program
is
something
to
be
proud
of.
We've
set
various
high
standards
in
terms
of
build
quality
amenities
and
creating
homes
in
a
place
that
people
can
thrive
in
the
new
homes
will
be
highly
energy
efficient
and
use
alternative
energy
sources
to
fossil
fuels,
which
supports
our
climate
emergency
aspirations.
O
O
O
The
final
point
that
I
would
like
to
make
is,
with
regard
to
improvement,
to
green
space
and
access,
the
development
will
provide
properly
laid
out
and
maintained
green
space
which
improve
links
totten
through
the
site.
In
addition,
there
will
be
a
commuted
sum
generated
to
improve
other
existing
local,
green
space
and
sports
facilities.
Nearby.
O
There
are
a
number
of
established
spark
sports
clubs
within
the
community,
including
whitley
juniors,
family
falcons
and
weirdly
fc.
There
are
four
football
pitches
and
one
rugby
pitch
already
available
and
in
use
on
weekly
recreational
ground,
which
is
very
close
to
the
site.
The
community
sums
commuted.
Sums
generated
by
this
development
can
attract
further
match
funding
to
support
sports
facilities
and
activities
in
the
world,
and
we
want
to
look
to
develop
those
moving
forward.
O
B
Whitehead
and
I
can't
see
any
hands,
I've
just
got
one
question
laura
and
you
might
not
be
able
to
elaborate
any
further.
I
just
wondered
if
you
wanted
to
say
any
more
about
the
green
space
contribution
and
the
form
that
might
take,
or
that
would
take
if
this
development
went
ahead.
O
At
the
moment
chair
those
proposals
haven't
been
fully
detailed.
We
do
know
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
the
ward,
as
we've
mentioned,
there's
a
number
of
local
clubs
that
are
very
active
in
that
area,
and
we
know
that
colleagues,
with
impacts
on
countryside
in
the
authority
are
working
with
those
clubs
and
we
would
like
to
continue
to
work
with
them
and,
of
course,
the
local
community
and
ward
members
to
look
at
how
we
can
maximize
the
impact
of
the
money
that
we've
got
available.
B
B
Fine,
thank
you.
Councillor,
anderson,
please,
yeah.
D
D
Why
have
you
not
come
forward
with
detailed
policies,
proposals
etc,
because
that
would
then
have
helped
to
ameliorate
the
concerns
of
local
residents
and
also,
I
have
to
say
that
my
things
going
from
outline
to
reserve
matters
in
my
experience
are
just
one
disaster
after
another
we
give
as
a
council
outline
permission,
but
then
local
residents
just
never
get
a
chance
to
actually
model
it
when
it
comes
to
the
research
matters,
so
this
would
have
been
one
way
of
helping
the
residents
to
see.
D
What's
going
to
happen,
for
example,
are
you
sticking
rigidly
to
the
lead
standard?
Are
you
going
to
be
able
to
produce
information
to
show
the
en1
and
en2
are
being
met?
Are
you
know
things
up
around
that
type
of
thing?
So
what
was
the
rationale
for
not
coming
forward
with
a
detailed
planning
application
so
that
we
could
say
yay
or
nay
to
the
whole
proposal,
nuts
and
bolts
added
to
it,
and
I've
got
one
other
question
as
well
about
the
monies
that
you
mentioned
just
now.
Where
about
what?
How
much
are
we
talking
about?
D
And
what
discussions
have
you
had
with
ward
members
about
the
benefits
that
can
come
along
with
this
development.
B
P
Yeah
thanks
thanks
counselor
anderson,
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
the
reason
for
for
bringing
an
outline
application
is
to
establish
the
principle
of
development,
because
clearly
it
is
a
site,
that's
of
interest,
and-
and
there
are
a
lot
of
strong
views
in
terms
of
how
how
the
site
is
developed
in
the
future.
But
one
thing
I
do
want
to
kind
of
stress
is
that
I
think
we've
demonstrated
even
through
the
outline
process
that
we're
absolutely
committed
to
engaging
with
local
residents.
P
The
lead
standard
is
a
long-standing,
long-standing
standard
that
the
program
has
been
built
to,
but
we're
also
all
aware
of
the
climate
emergency
and
the
need
to
accelerate
the
work
that
we're
doing
so
across
the
programme.
The
councils
and
growth
team
are
looking
at
the
alternatives
to
traditional
kind
of
gas,
central
heating
gas
boilers
and
we're
already
submitting
planning
applications
on
other
sites,
with
district
heating
schemes
to
provide
highly
energy
efficient,
efficient
homes.
P
So
again,
I
would
reassure
him
that
those
proposals,
and
and
across
the
whole
design
and
quality
standards
that
we
aim
to
achieve
will
be
shared
with
people
as
part
of
developing
the
next
stage.
So
we
don't
intend
to
go
from
here
and
then
just
turn
up
again
at
reserve
matters
and
seeking
approval
we'll
be
working
as
we
always
do
with
local
members
and
the
local
community.
Briefly,
on
local
members,
we've
briefed
them
on
a
number
of
occasions.
We've
talked
to
them
quite
a
lot
about
how
this
development
will
benefit.
P
Wider
sports
and
green
space
facilities
they're
very
keen
to
involve
local
residents
as
well
in
terms
of
coming
up
with
ideas
and
our
pre
planning
consultation
saw
ideas
on
that.
So
again,
would
you
know
kind
of
emphasize
and
reiterate
we
very
much
try
and
work
with
people.
We
understand
it.
Often
there
are
very
kind
of
challenging
conversations
to
have
so
we'll
we'll
do
that
and
sorry.
The
last
question,
because
there
were
quite
a
few
it
was
about
my
was
it
to
do
with
the
money
to
do
with
the
the
green
space.
Wasn't
it.
B
P
Well,
I
I
think,
as
laura
said,
that
will
be
developed
as
part
of
getting
the
the
the
detailed
scheme
and
that
will
help
define
the
actual
amount
of
monies
involved.
But
it's
the
sap
allocation
for
the
site
as
a
housing
site
is
very
clear
in
terms
of
what
it
says
that
the
site
should
aim
to
do
in
terms
of
promoting
improvements
to
green
space
and
sports
facilities.
So
at
this
stage
that's
what
I
can
say,
council
anderson.
D
What
I
can't
understand
is
by
the
mere
fact
that
this
site
has
been
approved
under
the
sap
effectively
gives
you
outline
planning
permission.
You
know
to
all
intensive
purposes,
not
officially
I
accept
so
why?
Because
the
that's,
the
the
principle
has
already
been
looked
at
by
the
inspector
when
they
were
out
when
they
were
looking
at
the
sap.
The
inspector
effectively
agreed
with
the
council's
proposition
that
this
site
can
have
housing
built
on
it.
So
the
inspector
agreed
with
that.
D
B
B
L
You
chair,
it
was
just
to
clarify
the
situation
with
regard
to
the
site
allocations
plan,
so
so
that
has
been
established
through
the
adoption
of
that
plan
that
that
site
is
a
sound,
sustainable
site
for
the
purposes
of
housing.
That
doesn't,
though,
and
I
think
council
anderson
did
acknowledge
this-
that
doesn't
it
isn't
quite
the
same
as
granting
outline
planning
permission.
L
So
it's
a
starting
point
in
the
plan
that
people
that
members
and
officers
have
to
give
full
weight
to,
but
then,
as
we
will
see
with
the
conditions
on
this
application,
there's
a
lot
more
to
consider
before
an
outline
application
can
be
granted,
not
least
the
need
to
impose
conditions
to
ensure
that
all
the
other
policies
in
the
course
strategy,
for
example,
are
reserved
and
complied
with.
That
reserve
matters
stage.
So
just
a
slight
difference.
B
J
Thank
you
chair.
It
was
nicole's,
probably
somebody
up
far
better
than
I
could,
but
I
was
just
gonna
sort
of
clarify
that
we've
put
a
raft
of
conditions
on
to
cover
the
matters
like,
like
I
say,
housing,
standards,
etc.
J
J
So
when
the
reserve
matters
application
is
submitted,
the
dates
that
the
conditions
that
are
on
the
outline
to
do
with
things
that
cancer
anderson
is
talking
about
will
be
covered
on
under
that
and,
as
you
say,
members
you,
you
will
get
to
see
them
on
any
future
application.
If
that's,
if
that's
how
we
so
choose
and
then
nicole
covered
the
bit
about
the
the
sap
allocation
so
yeah,
I
think
that
hopefully
clarifies
it
a
little
bit
more.
B
Oh,
was
it
okay?
Thank
you
any
more
questions
please
to
to
laura
or
her
colleagues.
Okay,
can
I
thank
you
very
much
indeed,
all
colleagues
who've
come
to
to
speak
on
that.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
company
this
afternoon.
Thank
you,
so
members,
it's
now
questions
to
officers.
If
anyone
would
like
to
ask
any
and
I've
got
a
few
councillor
ray
and
then
councillor
campbell
councillor
ray
first.
G
Thank
you.
It
was
really
to
ask
officers
in
terms
of
when
this
did
go
through.
Saturn.
Obviously,
sap
is
what
it
is.
Were
there
objections
raised
by
the
world
councils
to
this
site
being
included
at
the
time
just
to
see
how
long
the
objection
was,
because
also
there's
an
accusation
that
the
council
has
errored
in
its
understanding
of
the
green
spaces
in
in
this
world,
in
the
adjacent
world
and
and
even
if
the
castle
has
errored.
G
J
Right,
so
to
answer
the
thing
about
the
miscalculation
of
the
green
space:
now
I'm
not
professing
to
be
a
policy
officer.
However,
my
understanding
is
that
the
amount
of
green
space
within
family
weekly
ward
is
absolutely
correct.
The
amount
has
not
changed
from
when
it
was
done
back
in
the
early
2013
through
to
its
adoption.
J
Now,
that's
not
to
say
that
a
different
officer
could
have
put
it
into
another
category,
and
I
think
that's
the
point
that
ms
o'keefe
was
was
sort
of
getting
out
saying,
but
I
think
the
point
is
that
the
actual
overall
amount
of
green
space
within
the
ward
is
absolutely
correct,
and
that
was
assessed
by
the
officer
by
the
inspectors
during
the
sap
process.
J
In
terms
of
the
ward
members,
they
did
object
to
it
through
the
sap
process.
Yes,
that
was
considered,
I
think
in
total,
was
13
objections
raised
to
the
sap
to
this
allocation
through
the
sap
process,
raising
a
variety
of
different
things.
They
were
all
considered
and
heard
through
that
through
the
inspector
through
the
public
inquiry,
and
I
believe
that
this
site
was
talked
about,
maybe
not
in
line,
but
it
was
talked
about
by
the
inspector
at
that
time.
B
Thank
you,
the
hands,
I'm
afraid
I'll
just
have
to
take
them
in
the
order
in
which
they're
lined
up,
because
that's
all
I'm
able
to
do
so.
Council
finnegan
seems
to
have
got
in
front
of
you
councillor
campbell,
but
we
will.
We
will
get
there
councillor
finnegan.
A
Thanks
chair
can
the
planning
officer
it
remind
me
of
the
percentage
of
brownfield
land
we're
supposed
to
be
aiming
at
within
policy
rather
than
developing
greenfield
sites,
so
the
brownfield
green
seal
sites,
and
also
I
know
this
water's
next
door
to
mine-
there
seems
to
have
been
a
hell
of
a
lot
of
building
on
greenfield
sites.
Could
he
give
me
the
breakdown
for
this
particular
award?
To
tell
me
what
is
the
proportion?
What
is
the
percentage
on
greenfielders
against
brownfield?
J
I
don't
have
the
answer
to
that.
Oh
I
will
say
I
mean
my
colleague,
heather
davis,
from
policy.
She
maybe
may
have
the
answer
we'll
see.
All
I
will
say
is.
I
don't
necessarily
think
this
is
a
case
of
greenfield
versus
brownfield.
It's
a
site,
that's
allocated
for
housing,
so
it's
not
a
case
of
whether
or
not.
This
is
a
greenfield.
First.
Sorry
brownfield
first
discussion.
In
my
view.
It's
the
fact
that
it's
allocated
for
housing,
I'm
not
sure.
If
heather
you
have
anything
more
to
add.
J
B
Q
Development,
certainly,
I
think
if,
if
that's
a
critical
thing.
H
H
Just
briefly,
we
could
probably
provide
those
figures
in
the
breakdown,
because
it
is
a
detailed
question,
but
actually
I'm
not
really
sure
the
relevant
to
this
discussion
when
it's
a
self-allocated
site.
B
Yes,
it
was
actually,
I
think,
council
ray's
question
was
about.
You
know
how
how
what
how
final
the
deciding
factor
of
being
on
an
allocated
site
is
and-
and
this
is
an
allocated
site.
So
basically
it's
agreed
that
housing
will
be
here.
I
think.
H
Chair
just
just
to
try
and
answer
that
a
little
bit.
The
simple
matter
of
fact
is
that
if
the
city
council,
which
has
a
five-year
housing
land
supply
based
upon
site
allocations,
if
we
were
to
start
refusing
applications
that
come
forth
from
development
to
sap
would
be
completely
undermining
the
process.
So
you
know
it
is
it.
A
B
Getting
into
comments
there,
councillor
finnegan
councillor
campbell.
A
C
Can
I
just
ask
a
couple
of
questions,
but
somebody
get
up
slide,
which
is
number
nine
19
on
my
pack.
C
B
C
J
Council,
yes,
that
that
is
correct,
so
the
tree,
the
trees
are
within
the
green
space
to
the
north,
but
obviously
their
canopies
overhang,
but
yeah
that
that
wavy
line,
if
you
like
that,
goes
through
the
trees.
Yes,
that's
the
edge
of
the
site
allocation.
C
I
can
go
look
at
you.
Like
the
other
question,
I
I
suppose
from
my
point
of
view,
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
the
I
suppose
the
the
the
argument
about
it
being
a
a
sports
pitch.
Could
you
tell
me
exactly
what
sport
england
said
in
their
comment.
J
Yep,
so
they
to
be
clear
spot
england
have
sent
through
two
objections,
if
you
like,
so
their
first
objection
was
to
say
that
they
that
their
first
comment
sorry
was
to
say
that
they
object
on
the
application,
but
within
their
first
paragraph
they
do
acknowledge
that
they
are
not
statutory
counsel
t
on
the
basis
that
it's
not
being
used
for
a
period
of
in
excess
of
10
years.
J
J
After
that,
I
believe
I
don't
know
who,
but
I
believe
somebody
got
in
contact
with
sport,
england
to
ultimately
say
that
they
have
been
using
the
site
as
a
sports
pitch
recently
and
that
it
had
been
recently
marked
out
spot
england
then
sent
a
second
object.
Well
comment:
if
you
like
at
the
middle
of
february,
I
think
it
was
that
said
that
if
the
pitch
had
been
marked
out,
then
they
become
they.
They,
in
their
view,
become
a
statutory
council
t.
J
However,
it's
down
to
the
local
authority
to
make
that
distinction
upon
research.
It
appears
as
though
that
the
pitch
has.
I
believe
been
marked
out
by
the
local
community
that
took
place,
I
believe,
late
january
february,
within
the
development
management
procedure
order
which
referred
to
in
my
presentation.
J
It
makes
it
clear
that
spot
england,
and
not
a
statutory
council
t
if
that
pitch
if
the
pitch
hadn't
been
demarcated
out
prior
a
subsequent
the
planning
application
being
submitted,
so
the
application
was
submitted
in
december
and
the
pitch
wasn't
marked
out.
So
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
in
terms
of
spot
england,
not
being
a
statutory
council
t
notwithstanding
comments
made
by
spot
england,
the
planning
authorities
still
love
the
view
that
and
and
appreciate,
keep
coming
back
to
the
the
fact.
But
it
is
a
sap
allocation.
J
J
In
addition,
the
site
requirements
which
went
through
the
ins
planning
spectre
cover
matters
with
regard
to
its
former
use,
if
you
like,
so
it's
dictated
that
on-site
green
space
must
be
provided.
It's
dictated
that
there
must
be
an
inverted
commas,
green
link,
which
the
planning
authorities
view
that
will
be
a
demarcated
footpath,
that's
green.
That
is
a
pleasure
to
walk
up
and
down,
rather
than
it
being
a
two
meter
wide
tarmac,
footpath
and
there's.
Also,
then,
the
off-site
improvements
to
green
space
within
the
area.
B
D
Number
of
questions,
one
which
hmca
is
this
site
in
two
in
respect
of
the
dispute
over
green
space,
you
say
that
the
calculation
has
been
correctly
done,
which
I
have
no
reason
to
dispute
that
the
calculation
has
been
done.
But
when
we
look
at
its
individual
sites,
the
sustainability
appraisal
has
a
number
of
greens,
reds
and
yellows
on
it.
D
Now
was
this
site
down
either
as
a
red
or
a
yellow
when
it
was
looking
about
green
space
provision,
the
calculation
may
have
been
correct,
but
that
doesn't
mean
to
say
that
the
ward
or
the
surrounding
area
has
the
correct
level
of
green
space.
So
in
other
words
the
math
is
correct,
but
that's
but
you're
asking
the
wrong
question.
If
you
see
what
I
mean
you're
coming
up
with
an
answer
to
a
question,
that's
not
actually
being
asked.
D
D
Why
are
we
bringing
forward
not
a
detailed
planning
application
if
mr
butler
is
correct,
and
it
is
irrelevant
that
this
has
been
put
through
the
the
sap,
then
I
cannot
understand
why
he
has
said
what
he
said,
because
we
need
to
agree
whether
or
not
in
principle
this
site
can
or
cannot
be
done
today.
That
I
thought
was
the
whole
purpose.
D
When
the
legal
advisor
advised
me,
she
confirmed
to
me
that
that
was
the
purpose
of
what
we
were
being
asked
to
do
today
confirm
whether
or
not
in
our
opinion
as
a
a
panel,
this
site
can
be
used
in
principle
for
housing.
Mr
butler
said
that
that's
already
been
considered.
Well,
if
that's
already
been
considered,
why
are
we
here
and
then
the
final
point
is:
can
somebody
tell
me
what
the
commuted
sums
are?
How
much
are
they
and
what
are
the
commuted
sums
going
to
be
set
aside
for
please.
B
H
B
H
Yeah
sure
yeah,
I
don't
think
I
said
anything
that
actually
contradicted
anything
that
that
nicole
had
said
that
that
there
there
are
slight
subtleties
in
the
differences
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
why
we're
focusing
on
this
particular
point,
because
we
often
bring
forward
outline
applications.
H
So
it's
almost
like
there's
a
conspiracy
going
on
here,
but
I
I
don't
quite
understand
the
the
point
of
the
question,
because
if
you
turn
this
on
its
head,
if
mr
denton
and
his
team
have
brought
forward
a
full
application,
I'm
sure
we'd
have
been
accused
as
a
council
of
creating
affair
to
complete.
So
I
don't
think
I've
contradicted
anything.
I
mean,
if
nicole,
wants
to
add
anything
any
further.
She
she
she
can
do
by
all
means,
but
I
don't
think
there's
any
contradiction
at
all.
B
J
Chair
I'll
I'll
I'll
come
in
I'll,
try
and
briefly
sum
up
so
the
hitch,
the
the
housing
area
is
the
outer
west.
In
terms
of
the
green
green
space
question,
I
think
it's
important
to
know
well,
two
things
to
note
on
this.
First
of
all,
there
is
deficiencies
across
across
leads
of
different
types
of
green
space.
It's
not
unique
to
family
and
worthly
ward.
We
acknowledge
that,
but
we
also
have
a
duty
to
provide
housing.
J
This
is
affordable
housing
as
well,
so
we
we
have
a
duty
to
take
everything
into
the
mix,
but-
and
I
don't
want
to
focus
on
this
either
too
too
much
longer,
but
when
it
comes
to
allocating
sites
for
housing,
green
space,
etc.
J
The
the
actual
quality
of
that
green
space
is
only
one
clog
in
a
very
large
cog,
large
wheel
or
whatever.
It's
not
the
defining
factor
when
it
comes
to
allocating
sites
gr.
The
the
the
type
of
green
space
is
one
factor:
sustainability
highways.
All
the
mother
factors
come
into
play
so
when
this
site
was
was
decided
to
to
be
brought
forward
for
housing
and
adopted
as
such
by
all
the
council,
I
must
add
that
it
was
just
one
factor,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point
in
terms
of
the
community
sums.
J
The
reason
why
we're
not
or
nobody's
able
to
tell
you
how
much
is
because
at
this
stage,
counselor
anderson,
we
don't
know
all
the
applicants,
don't
know,
that's
because
they've
got
to.
They
are
engaging
with
the
local
community
about
where
they
would
like
improvements
to
be
made,
they're
engaging
with
parks
and
countryside
and
they're
also
engaging
with
ward
members
about
where
best
and
what
is
best
to
be
improved.
So
at
this
stage
there
is
no
monetary
value
we
can
associate
with
that.
J
E
Yeah
I'd
just
like
to
go
back
to
councillor
campbell's
question.
If
I
could,
I
think
you
know,
regarding
sport,
england
and
whether
they're
a
statutory
council
tea
or
not-
I
I
don't
think
we're
being
very
fair,
but
you
know
with
how
we're
viewing
sport,
england,
it's
like
you,
you've
gone
back
through
and
done
a
timeline
to
prove
they're,
not
statutory,
consulting
the
the
you
say
that
the
the
the
the
space
hasn't
been
used
in
excess
of
10
years.
Well,
it
has
been
used
for
the
last
10
years.
E
It's
just
not
been
used
as
what
you're
calling
it
official
with
the
marked
pitch
on
it,
but
it
has
been
used.
We've
just
we've
heard
that
it's
been
used
considerably
in
the
last
year.
E
You
know,
while
people
have
been
locked
down
for
daily
exercise,
all
sorts
of
things,
and
so
I
think
it's
unfair
to
say
that
it's
not
been
used
in
the
last
in
excess
of
10
years,
because
it
has
it's
just
not
had
those
official
white
lines
marked
on
it
and
it's
been
used
informally
for
quite
a
long
time
and
and
the
fact
that
it
was
marked
out
in
january
february,
and
then
we
got
oh,
but
they
objected
in
december.
So
there
can't
be
a
statutory
council
team.
Oh
come
on.
J
Chair
I'll
come
back
in
I'm
not
sure
about.
If
there
was
a
specific
question
there
or
or
whether
that
was
comments,
but
it
was
a
comment.
It.
B
J
J
That's
what
we've
done
so
I
I
don't
think
it's
that
we've
dismissed
or
or
parts
their
comments
or
anything
like
that.
It's
not
a
case
either
that
I've
gone
back
over
a
timeline
and
justified.
Why
they're?
Not
a
statutory
council
team,
I
for
my
own
benefit,
I've
got
I've
got
to
understand
why
I
don't
believe,
as
the
planning
officer
for
this
application,
why
I
don't
consider
spot
england
to
be
a
a
statutory
consultate
and
that's
what
I've
done.
J
Whilst
I
don't
want
to
go
into
dates
or
anything
like
I
don't
know
the
full
timeline,
my
understanding
is
that
for
a
considerable
period
of
time,
so
from
roughly
about
2003
2004
to
roughly
when
the
sap
was
adopted,
the
site
wasn't
used.
It
may
have
been
used
as
a
cut
through,
but
it
wasn't
used
in
any
sport
or
recreation
grounds.
It
was
since
the
sap
was
adopted,
or
maybe
just
slightly
before
then
the
local
community
got
involved.
But,
notwithstanding
that,
I
keep
coming
back
to
it.
The
site
is
now
allocated
for
housing.
J
B
L
As
of
a
sports
pitch,
there
are
specific
definitions
and
and
and
as
members
know,
if,
if
anyone
is
deemed
to
be
a
statutory
counsel,
their
members
should
give
greater
weight
to
their
to
their
views
than
the
non-statutory
council
t's,
or
they
have
to
have
bear
in
mind
that
they
are
a
statutory
council
t.
So
so
to
a
lay
person.
It
might
not
seem
too
important,
but
actually
for
the
purposes
of
setting
it
out
in
the
report
and
for
for
the
position
that
the
stuart
just
has
a
has
explained.
L
F
Yes,
I'm
just
a
bit
confusing
about
the
way
forward,
because
there
aren't
that
many
circumstances
of
which
I
have
which
I've
encountered,
but
I
don't
mean
to
say
they
haven't
been
there,
where
we've
got
a
site
that
is
owned
by
leed
city
council
and
lead
city.
Council
is
the
applicant,
so
we're
going
forward
requesting
outline
planning.
F
So
I
appreciate
you
can't
release
names
and
you're,
not
that
far
down
the
line,
but
what's
what's
the
procedure
for
going
out
to
tender,
getting
designs
seeking
full
planning
permission
where
we
could
actually
make
some
comment
on
the
detail
of
this
rather
than
just
an
outline
which
is
a
shot
in
the
dark,
stuart.
A
J
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I
to
answer
that
first
part.
I
I
we
can,
but
I
it
would
be
for
the
applicants,
regardless
of
being
at
least
at
council
or
not
to
to
answer
the
next
steps.
It
would
be
the
same
with
any
outline
with
any
reserve
matters
application.
It
would
be
for
the
applicant
to
come
forward
to
the
local
planning
authority.
J
With
with
the
details,
I
don't
necessarily
think
that,
because
the
applicant
is
elite
city
council,
it
actually
hinders
anything
it
in
some
ways
puts
it
under
more
scrutiny,
because,
obviously
that
there's
more
eyes
on
us.
I
guess,
but
in
terms
of
the
next
steps.
A
B
Very
good
special
planning
officer,
thank
you
I'll
just
make
an
observation.
At
this
stage,
I've
never
known
as
debate
quite
so
rigorously
around
the
difference
between
an
outline
and
the
next
stage
and
whether
there's
a
need
for
outline.
It
seems
quite
unusual
to
me
because
we
have
been
approving
or
not
approving,
outline
plans
for
the
last
eight
years
while
I've
been
a
councillor,
so
I
don't
quite
understand
why
the
debate
is
taking
quite
so
much
of
a
swerve
in
this
direction,
as
it
has
councillor
brooks.
I
have
seen
your
hand
go
up.
M
B
G
Thank
you
chair.
Do
you
think
this
is
a
really
complicated
one,
because
you're
balancing
on
the
one
side,
if
you
will
the
the
weight
given
to
sap
against
what
the
local
community
may
I
see
as
their
benefit
and
as
much
as
I
have
shooting,
with
local
community
and
the
loss
of
of
green
space?
I
I
this
has
obviously
been
through
the
rigors
of
sap.
G
G
That
process
was
rigorous,
so
painful,
but
it
went
through
the
process
and
actually
we
have
to
balance
the
need
of
the
fact
that
we
do
have
a
dire
need
of
council
housing
in
this
city,
affordable,
council,
housing
near
to
community
immunities
and
access
to
accessible
routes
to
employment,
which
this
site
does
afford
and
as
much
as
as
the
the
use
may
have
been
there.
G
We
live
in
a
world
of
definitions
and
if
something
hasn't
met
the
specific
definition
set
out
in
law
or
planning
regulation,
it
isn't
what
it
is
as
much
as
we
may
disagree
on
a
personal
level
that
actually
it
should
be
so
as
painful
as
it
is.
I
I
think
I
have
to
agree
with
officers
that
actually
the
principle
of
development
has
been
accepted
via
sap.
G
The
principle
of
developing
a
type
of
development,
as
the
council
is
potentially
proposing
here,
is
reasonable
and
that,
on
that
basis,
as
much
as
it's
a
a
sad
loss
of
green
space
for
recreation
to
the
local
community,
that
battle
was
long
lost
and
we
we
have
to
default.
What
is
the
accepted
position
as
set
by
the
sap
after
inspection.
F
In
a
way
it
overlaps
with
what
councillor
reyes
just
said,
I
have
the
I
have
the
greatest
respect
and
sympathy
for
the
local
community
who
that
there
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
history
to
this
site
and,
as
a
consequence,
it's
become
a
very
emotive
subject,
but
at
this
stage
that
the
the
community
are
not
in
a
position
to
make
a
proper
informed
judgment
because
they
haven't
got
any
more
detail
than
we've
seen
in
front
of
us
councillor
ray
is
quite
right.
F
You
know
there
is
a
need
for
for
additional
council
housing,
but
that
has
to
be
balanced
against
the
use
of
this
green
space
as
playing
field
or
sports
field.
But
there
isn't
that
evidence
there.
As
far
as
I
can
see
that
it's
actually
been
used
regularly
over
recent
years
or
even
decades,
which
is
had
it
been
there,
then
I
think
it
would
have
been
a
bit
different
and
certainly
sport.
England
would
have
been
more
vociferous
about
it.
M
But
unfortunately,
as
as
councilor
ray
said
and
councillor
shemill,
we
we
don't
really
have
any
any
sort
of
planning
reason
to
turn
this
down.
As
far
as
I
can
see
it,
so
I
will
be
voting
in
favor
with
a
heavy
heart
and
I
yeah
much
respect
to
the
local
community,
their
their
campaign
on
this.
A
Thank
you
chair.
I
won't
be
supporting
this.
I
think.
That's
no
surprise
to
people
the
site
allocations
process
was
somewhat
of
a
shambles,
based
upon
unachievable
and
unrealistically
high
targets
that
has
to
influence
people's
judgments.
At
this
particular
point,
I
accept
that
we
need
council
houses.
Indeed,
we
haven't
had
any
council
houses
built
in
molly
since
1981
birch
corp
for
people's
information
at
this
particular
point,
the
community
right,
they
need
the
green
space.
At
this
particular
point,
we
shouldn't
say
that
we
are
prepared
to
accept
council
housing
at
any
price.
A
D
Yeah,
I
can't
support
it
either,
although
I
will
start
by
saying
I
do
recognize
the
need
for
council
housing
in
this
area,
and
I
do
think
and
that,
but
what
I
had
a
degree
of
sympathy
with
what
claire
o'keefe
said
that
she
came
up
with
some
alternative
locations
that
might
be
feasible.
D
Now,
I'm
not
saying
that
all
of
those
will
necessarily
be
acceptable
to
all
local
residents,
and
they
may
some
of
those
people
who
have
objected
may
object
to
that
as
well,
but
I
do
think
that
there
may
be
other
alternative
locations.
I'm
also
concerned
that
I
was
not
satisfied
as
to
whether
or
not
the
deficiency
of
green
space
was
highlighted
at
the
time
when
it
was
going
through
sap
as
to
whether
or
not
the
sustainability
analysis
did
contain
any
green.
D
Sorry,
any
reds
or
yellows
at
the
time,
because
it
was
a
a
lot
of
these
sites
were
balanced
judgments,
which
is
fine
that
that
was
the
process
I
might
not
like
it,
but
that
was
the
process
that
was
that
was
done
and
also,
I
personally
do
think.
More
weight
should
be
put
on
to
the
support
england's
concerns.
C
Thank
you,
chad.
I
think
we
we
we're
drifting
slightly
here.
If
you
forgive
me
for
saying
so
I
think
I'm
I'm
looking
at
this.
I
I
understand
what
everybody's
saying
and
and
I've
said,
I'm
no
fan
of
the
sap
process,
but
we
have
had
asap
and
it
has
been
accepted
and
I
think
it's
it's
a
whatever
we
would
like.
This
is
a
housing
site.
C
C
C
Outline
application,
the
more
I
read
it
because
we
we've
been
asked
to
defer
and
delegate
subject
to
refer
to
the
secretary
of
state,
and
I
suppose
I
should
have
asked
a
question
before
about.
Why
is
that?
C
But
then,
though
it
says
in
paragraph
three
on
page
64
yeah,
the
application
relates
to
an
outline
plan
application
and,
as
such,
it
should
be
made
clear
that
the
proposal
relates
to
the
principal,
etc
and
then
reserve
matters
would
be
a
later
er
edition.
And
yet
we've
got
30
conditions
on
in
front
of
us
on
page
63
and
64..
C
So
I
suppose
the
question
I'm
asking
is:
is
it
actually
an
outline
application?
Because
if
it
was
an
outline
application
with
a
red
line
around
it
and
the
points
of
access,
then
it
might
be
less
of
an
issue
than
a,
I
suppose,
an
application
which
theoretically
is
outline
and
in
principle
that
actually
contains
30
conditions.
C
B
Thank
you
a
very
late
question
colin,
but
I
will
bring
officers
in
who
I'm
sure
will
clarify
that
position
as
as
we
go
on,
but
I
first
of
all
are
there
any
more
comments
or
views
that
people
would
like
to
express
at
this
point,
I
I
having
listened
really
carefully
to
the
debate.
B
I'm
convinced
that
it's
an
outline
plan,
that's
that
was
identified
at
the
sap
and
therefore
it
is
a
housing
site,
and
I
agree
with
the
comments
that
colin
has
just
made
about
the
likely
outcome
of
any
sort
of
appeal.
It
is
a
housing
site.
B
It
is
an
outline
plan
which
we
we
have
had
in
the
framework
for
many
years
now,
and
for
me
it
is
the
balance
between
whether
the
compensatory
green
space
against
the
need
for
council
housing
and
which
I
should
give
the
most
the
most
weight
to,
and
you
know,
having
listened
to
ms
o'keefe,
I
can
see
how
passionate
those
those
those
residents
are
and
I
can
feel
how
much
their
elected
members
would
want
to
represent
their
interests,
and
I
absolutely
completely
embrace
the
kind
of
activity
that
they've
been
doing
with
that
green
space.
B
But
for
me
it
is
a
housing
site
and
we
do
need
council
housing
and
I
personally
would
come
down
on
on
the
side
of
proceeding
with
this
application.
So
that
would
be
my
view.
Do
I
have
anybody
who
could
make
the
recommendation
propose
the
recommendation.
F
B
Thank
you,
councillor
reagan.
I'm
now
going
to
go
down
the
list
of
people
again
and
ask
for
your
vote
either
in
favor
of
the
recommendation
or
against
the
recommendation.
Council
anderson
councillor
brooks
in
favor
councillor
campbell.
C
I
have
I'm
not
convinced
by
the
arguments
we've
received
so
far,
but
I
understand
the
principle
that
you
we
outlined
about
the
site,
but
at
the
moment
I
can't
vote
in
favor.
So
I'm
abstaining.
B
And
I'm
in
favor
too
so
andy.
If
you
could
summarize
that
for
us,
please.
B
So
that's
does
that
give
me
a
casting
vote.
B
B
B
D
A
H
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
folks.
Now
we
still
do
have
quite
a
long
afternoon
ahead
of
us,
so
I'm
going
to
schedule
in
a
10-minute
break
at
this
point
for
people
so
that
we
do
make
it
to
the
end
in
one
piece,
so
you
can
get
yourself
a
drink
and
make
yourself
comfortable
from
this
point.
Could
I
ask
you
to
mute
please
before
we
go
into
recess
and
I
will
see
you
at
twenty
past.
B
A
B
B
B
Okay,
welcome
back
everybody!
Thank
you
for
making
it
back
after
the
break
that
takes
us
on
to
item
10,
which
is
change
of
use
and
alterations
to
a
former
council
building
and
carol.
I
think
this
is.
Is
yours?
Isn't
it.
Q
Thank
you
chair,
it
is
yes
could
I
have
the
the
slide,
which
I
think
there
we
go
so
yes,
this
application
is
a
scheme
to
the
conversion
of
a
grade
two
listed
building,
which
is
also
in
the
rorden
littlemoor
conservation
area.
Q
Q
This
is
an
aerial
photograph.
This
shows
you
the
listed
building
in
its
setting
at
the
moment.
It's
surrounded
by
parkland.
Q
It
has
car
park
into
the
front
well
to
the
front
elevation
on
this
image,
as
it
is
at
the
moment,
but
that
isn't
the
front
elevation
of
the
property
itself
to
the
rear
is
the
library,
as
you
can
see,
the
posed
access
will
be
off
new
roadside.
Q
Can
I
have
the
next
slide
please,
and
this
is
showing
you,
the
rear
of
the
building.
The
car
parking
to
the
rear
of
this
building
doesn't
belong
to
the
application
site.
There's
a
ramp
there.
You
can
see
on
that
elevation
that
that
will
be
removed,
and
so
will
the
white
sort
of
conservatory
style
building.
That's
on
that
elevation
as
well.
Q
I
want
to
point
out
to
you
at
the
moment
on
this
elevation,
the
flat
roofed
part
of
the
building,
which
is,
on
the
right
hand,
side
very
similar,
very
close
to
the
tower
that's
there,
and
because
this
is
where
the
main
alteration
will
be
happening
on
the
external
of
the
building,
where
there's
going
to
be
a
new
extension
on
top
of
that
flat
roof
extension,
I'm
going
to
have
the
next
slide,
please.
Q
What's
going
to
change
on
this
elevation,
and
I
have
got
the
elevation
plans
to
show
you
in
a
minute,
but
the
ramp
will
be
removed
and
then,
if
you
look
at
the
single
story,
projection
to
the
side
that
will
have
a
new
door
and
a
window
that
will
be
more
in
keeping
with
the
existing
building.
The
two
trees
that
are
on
that
plan
on
that
photograph
will
also
remain.
Can
I
have
the
next
slide?
Please
that's
just
showing
you
that
side
extension
with
the
window
that
will
change
and
that's
tree
that
will
remain.
Q
Can
I
have
the
next
one
please,
this
photograph
shows
you
the
side.
Elevation
close
to
that
tree
will
be
where
the
bin
store
will
go
and
then
the
grassed
area
you
can
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
will
be
immunity
space
for
a
couple
of
the
flats.
Can
I
have
the
next
slide
please.
Q
This
is
showing
you
the
other
side
of
the
building.
Now
you
can
see
the
ramp
there
that
I
talked
about
a
minute
ago
that
will
be
removed,
and
you
can
also
see
the
upvc
porch
area
that
will
also
be
taken
out.
Can
I
have
the
next
one?
Please,
these
photographs
are
just
taking
you
slowly
around
the
building.
So
again
you
can
see
this
ramp
and
you
can
see
the
the
porch
that
will
come.
Q
Q
This
is
showing
you
the
existing
tower,
which
will
remain,
and
it's
showing
you
the
side
elevation
of
the
flat
roofed
extension,
which
has
been
on
the
building
where
the
new
extension
will
go
on
top
of.
Can
I
have
the
next
one
again,
that's
just
showing
you
the
side
of
the
tower
and
where
the
extension
will
go
above
those
very
large
big
windows,
the
next
one.
Please
again,
that's
showing
you
the
another
view
of
the
flat
roof.
Q
Q
This
is
the
the
main
frontage
of
the
building.
This
looks
out
onto
the
park.
You
can
see
the
flat
roof
projection
there,
which
will
have
the
new
extension.
What
will
also
happen
on
this
elevation
is
that
they
will.
They
will
dig
down
to
the
front
to
reveal
a
basement
which
will
which
will
form
a
basement
flat,
which
will
have
a
courtyard
access
to
that
flat.
Only
in
front
of
it
can
I
have
the
next
one.
Q
This
shows
you,
the
area
that's
going
to
be
dug
out.
If
you
look
to
the
left-hand
side,
you
can
see
sort
of
the
edge
of
the
paved
area
or
the
hard
standing
area
that
will
form
a
retaining
wall
and
the
area
to
the
right
hand,
side
will
all
be
dug
out
to
form
this
flat.
That
wall
will
that
wall
will
all
will
have
railings
above
can
I
have
the
next
one
please.
Q
This
again
is
showing
you
the
area
to
the
front
that
will
be
dug
out
and
will
form
the
basement
flat
again,
the
right
hand
side
the
retaining
top
of
what
will
be
the
retaining
wall.
Can
I
have
the
next
one?
Please
that's
just
showing
you
its
relationship
with
the
park
area.
The
red
line
goes
to
where
the
first
retaining
the
first
wall
is,
on
the
left
hand,
side
can
I
have
the
next
one,
which
I
think
will
show
you
the
red
line
there
you
go.
That's
the
existing
red
line
of
the
building
at
the
moment.
Q
So
you
can
see
it
has
a
very
small
cartilage
to
it,
which
provides
for
a
small
amount
of
immunity
space
and
the
car
parking
for
for
the
scheme.
It
has
to
remember
be
remembered,
though,
that
the
building
setting
is
within
a
very
large
park.
Can
I
have
the
next
one
please.
This
is
showing
you
the
proposed
plan.
What
this
shows
you
is
the
gray
area
to
the
bottom.
Q
Is
the
proposed
car
parking
and
there's
a
gray
area
to
the
north,
which
will
provide
another
two
car
parking
spaces
for
the
scheme,
so
there'll
be
16
spaces
in
total.
For
the
eight
flats,
the
green
areas
are
showing
the
immunity
space.
Not
every
flat
will
have
immunity.
Space
four
out
of
the
eight
flats
will
have
some
form
of
immunity
space
and
then
the
area
to
the
left
hand
side
is
showing
you
the
dig
out
for
to
form
that
basement
flat.
Can
I
have
the
next
slide?
Q
Please,
I'm
just
going
to
quickly
run
through
the
elevation
plans
and
with
the
before
and
after
for
you
to
just
get
a
a
grip
of
what's
going
out
on
the
outside.
So
this
is
the
elevation
that
overlooks
the
park
which
we're
going
to
have
the
basement
on
and
the
extension
and
the
next
slide
will
show
us
both
of
those
developments.
Can
I
have
the
next
one
please?
Q
So
you
can
see
the
basement.
That's
been
dug
out
and
the
windows
that
will
be
put
into
that
basement.
You
have
to
bear
in
mind
that
when
you've
got
the
wall
there
and
the
railings
above
you
won't
see
those
windows
in
the
basement
area.
Q
On
top
of
the
extension,
you
can
see
that
there
will
be
a
stop
of
the
existing
extension
there'll.
Be
this
new
extension.
That's
going
on
now
on
this
elevation,
it's
difficult
to
see
it
on
this,
and
you
can
see
it
on
some
images
in
a
minute,
but
this
elevation
will
be
curved
and
it
will
have
a
mirrored
finished
and
in
front
of
the
curved
mirrored
area
will
be
a
sitting
out
area
for
the
people
of
those
flats.
Q
This
is
showing
you
the
other
side
that
we
saw
facing
towards
the
car
park,
and,
if
I
show
you
the
next
slide,
please
the
changes
to
this
elevation
are
just
a
new
window
and
a
new
door
in
that
single
story
element
on
the
right
hand,
side
as
well
as
the
removal
of
the
ramp.
Can
I
have
the
next
elevation
please.
Q
This
is
the
elevation
where
you
can,
where
I
showed
you
where
the
ramp
was
coming
out
and
where
the
upvc
small
porch
was
coming
out,
and
you
can
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
again.
The
flat
roof
is
going
to
have
the
extension
above,
and
the
next
slide
will
show
you
the
extension
above.
Can
I
have
the
next
one
please?
Q
This
is
showing
you.
The
extension
above
this
part
will
be
made,
will
have
an
elevation
of
metal.
At
the
moment
we
haven't
decided
what
to
fab,
what
kind
of
metal
that
material
will
be
and
what
color
it
will
be.
We
need
to
get
a
samples
up
against
the
stonework
when
it
potentially
may
be
cleaned
and
they'll
be
repointing.
At
that
point,
we
would
like
to
see
what
the
material
will
look
like
against
the
building.
So
officers
have
conditioned
that
so
that
we
can
determine
that
at
a
later
stage.
Q
This
is
showing
yes,
the
final
elevation,
which
is
is
looking
sort
of
where
the
tree
would
I'm
trying
to
explain
where
this
one
is.
This
elevation
is
showing
you
the
back
of
it
and
the
side
of
the
proposed
new
extension
and
the
final
slide.
I
think
the
next
elevation
please,
is
showing
you
where
that
extension
will
go
on
the
right
hand
side.
Q
Q
The
extension
to
look
like
this
is
just
giving
you
a
representation
of
where
the
extension
goes
and
and
the
shape
of
it,
as
I've
said
to
you
before,
the
materials
will
be
decided
at
a
later
date,
but
it
also
gives
you
an
idea
of
where
the
basement
flat
is
going
on
that
third
3d
image
and
and
that
you
won't
be
able
to
see
that
basement
flat
when
you're
in
the
park
or
from
from
from
outside
of
the
site.
Q
So
in
terms
of
the
main
issues,
the
principle
is
acceptable
and
will
address
the
ongoing
maintenance
issues
and
contribute
to
the
viability
and
the
vitality
of
the
area
in
terms
of
the
impact
on
the
listed
building
which
you've
seen
alterations
to
the
existing
facades
are
kept
to
a
minimum.
But
the
changes
to
the
building,
which
I've
already
explained,
being
the
creation
of
the
basement
flat
with
its
own
entrance
of
full
height
windows
and
a
small
cart
yard.
Q
These
works,
as
I've
said,
are
generally
screened
by
the
existing
terrace
wall
and
which
will
have
railings
above
the
other
major
change,
as
you've
already
seen.
Is
this
extension
in
terms
of
the
extension?
This
is
both
an
existing
extension
which
dates
from
the
early
1900s,
and
it's
thought
that
it
would
have
had
a
conservatory
style
structure
above
it
which
has
since
been
removed.
Q
It
is
considered
that
this
extension
is
not
overly
large
when
compared
to
the
host
building
and
will
remain
a
subservient
addition.
The
full
height
windows
reflect
the
vertical
emphasis
of
the
existing
building,
especially
in
the
adjacent
tower
and
its
windows.
The
extension
gives
a
complementary
but
contextual
response
to
the
spatial
characteristics
of
the
listed
building.
Q
There
are
also
internal
changes
that
are
required
to
the
building,
and
the
precise
details
of
these
are
still
into
discussion
with
the
applicant
and
offices.
Whilst
they
do
have
a
degree
of
impact
on
the
significance
of
the
listed
building,
it
delivers
a
sustainable
future
for
this
listed
building,
which
will
involve
considerable
investment
and
a
repair
program.
Q
Q
Let
me
just
sorry,
I
can't
see
where
my
arrow
is
in
terms
of
parking.
There
are
16
car
parking
space
and
they'll
all
be
serviced
by
electric
charging
points,
plus
a
cycle
store
for
one
cycle
purse
flat
this,
along
with
the
site
being
in
a
sustainable
location
and
the
change
of
use
from
offices
to
residential.
It
is
considered
that
it
will
not
have
any
intensification
on
the
highway
network
since
the
papers
have
been
issued.
We've
received
one
further
objection
from
the
victorian
society.
Q
They
are
saying
that
the
current
proposals
will
harm
the
building
in
terms
of
the
post
extension,
which
is
is
at
odds
with
the
characteristics
of
the
existing
building
and
due
to
its
location,
will
be
visually
prominent.
The
materials
will
be
very
eye-catching
and
at
odds
with
the
materials
of
the
existing
building.
Degree
of
internal
alterations
seem
high,
and
the
treatment
of
some
of
the
historic
decorative
elements
is
poor
in
places
and
lacks
detail.
Q
B
Thank
you
carol
for
that,
and
can
I
just
start
off
then,
please
by
asking
the
panel,
whether
you
are
happy
to
agree,
defer
and
delegate
rather
than
grant
permission
today
on
the
basis
of
that
large
number
of
conditions
that
need
negotiating
around.
B
M
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I
mean
I'm.
I
don't
know
how
to
start
with
this,
because
I'm
I'm
of
I'm
kind
of
shocked
at
the
the
the
changes
to
the
building.
B
Sorry,
I'm
just
asking
the
first
question:
first,
councilor
brooks
it's
just.
Are
you
happy
I'm
not
asking
for
you
to
agree
recommendation,
but
are
you
happy
that
we
consider,
instead
of
considering
grant
permission
that
we
consider
defer
and
delegate
because
of
the
large
number
of
conditions
that
have
come
forward
at
this
late
point
and
need
further
negotiation?
H
Because
members
have
not
obviously
had
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
officers
or
well
listen
to
the
the
objector
either
so,
but
we
just
want
members
to
be
mindful
of
the
fact
that,
because
of
the
conditions,
that's
what
officers
are
now
suggesting
is
the
appropriate
recommendation.
Thank
you.
B
Yeah,
okay,
we
do
have
a
speaker
on
this.
Mr
taylor
is
here
to
speak.
To
object,
can
can
the
speaker
come
forward?
Please
is
mr
taylor
with
us.
P
That
was
fine,
I'm
happy,
I'm
happy
to
speak
and
and
whether
you
can
see
me
or
not,
I
shall
leave
to
your
description.
B
So
you
have
a
you,
have
up
to
four
minutes,
mr
taylor
and
then
we'll
we'll
we'll
cut
you
off,
but
we'll
allow
you
to
finish
the
sentence
you're
on.
Thank
you.
P
P
The
library
is
attending
to
the
council
and
therefore
we
didn't
feel
as
appropriate
to
lodge
its
own
objection
as
we
felt
we
felt
we
might
jeopardize
our
relationship
with
the
council.
The
adjacent
stables
have
now
been
redeveloped.
Developer
did
not
seek
to
extend
the
stables
anyway
and
extract
maximum
value.
We
fully
support
repurposing
of
brittlefield
house
as
a
continuation
of
revitalizing
this
public
space,
I'm
speaking
today
on
behalf
of
32
objectives.
There's
not
one
letter
of
support.
Don't
you
think
this
is
an
important
indicator.
P
P
I'd
first
like
to
draw
your
attention
to
paragraph
48
in
the
planning
offices
report,
in
which
I
believe,
there's
a
misunderstanding:
it's
stated
that
there
previously
probably
existed
a
conservatory
on
top
of
the
current
extension
and
therefore
implied
what
is
being
proposed
is
a
replacement
replacement
for
this
photographs
which
you've
all
had
show.
This
is
not
the
case.
The
current
sixties
extension
replaced.
The
victorian
conservatory
was
no
higher
than
ground
floor
officer
stated
in
the
report.
The
second
floor
proposal
was
a
bit
like
placing
a
porter
cabin
on
the
roof.
P
P
There's
no
reference
to
any
attempt
to
persuade
the
applicant
to
remove
the
second
floor.
If
the
reason
is
not
planning
but
financial,
is
this
appropriate
and
if
so,
what
are
the
economics?
Many
of
the
part
videos
are
local
with
limited
means
whose
children
currently
enjoy
the
playground
without
being
overlooked.
It
is
not
safe
to
provide
a
close
vantage
point
over
a
children's
playground
when
non-currently
exist
and
detracts
from
neighborhood
immunity.
P
There
will
be
no
restriction
on
to
the
second
floor,
having
gatherings
with
associated
noise,
music,
shouting,
possibly
an
appropriate
language,
although
characterizes
the
third
bedroom,
it
could
just
as
easily
be
used
as
living
space.
This
extension
is
a
contravention
of
the
parish
council
emerging
neighborhood
plan,
as
expressed
in
their
objections.
Why
has
this
been
ignored?
P
P
The
economic
argument
for
the
third
bedroom
should
not
overrule
planning
considerations
as
an
alternative
to
rejecting
the
officer's
recommendation.
It
suggested
that
consideration
this
application
be
deferred
to
enable
officers
in
the
full
panel
to
persuade
the
applicant
to
withdraw
the
first
floor
extension
and
provide
a
two-bedroom
department,
like
all
the
others
in
the
building.
P
Mikkelfield
house
is
an
important
grade.
Two
listed
building
and
any
changes
must
enhance
it
or
at
least
not
cause
harm.
The
alex
proposals
do
harm
and
the
listed
building,
but
also
harm
the
conservation
area.
It's
therefore
contrary
to
the
nppf
and
should
be
refused
as
it
stands,
and
that
was
less
than
four
minutes.
B
It
was
indeed
thank
you
very
much,
mr
taylor.
Are
there
any
questions
to
mr
taylor,
please
panel
councillor
campbell,
please.
C
P
C
B
Might
be
inappropriate
since
councillor
sherman
did
declare
an
interest,
although
not
a
pecuniary
one
steve
did
you
want
to
come.
P
It
now
I
will
attempt
to
answer
the
question
as
best
I
can,
and
that
is
the
fact
that
the
the
in
the
emerging
neighborhood
plan
they
actually
ask
that
buildings
will
remain
the
same,
and
this
is
not
remaining
the
same.
P
A
P
D
D
If
officers
were
to
spend
more
time
talking
to
local
board
members,
rodden
parish,
council
and
other
interested
bodies,
do
you
think
a
solution
can
be
found
but
working
within
the
parameters
that
we've
got
before
us,
as
proposed
by
officers?
P
I
think
it's
a
simple
matter
of
economics
in
that
all
the
apartments
in
this
particular
building,
with
one
exception,
are
two
bedroom
departments
and
the
person
who
wishes
to
develop
this
wants
to
make
a
third
bedroom
and
that
third
bedroom
obviously
gives
better
income
and
that
income,
I
presume,
reflects
itself
in
the
amount
it
pays
to
the
council.
So
the
council
is
actually
possibly
going
to
have
to
say
to
itself.
P
B
Thank
you.
I
don't
see
any
more
hands
with
questions.
Anybody
else
want
to
come
in.
In
that
case.
Thank
you
very
much
indeed,
mr
taylor,
for
coming
this
afternoon
and
and
speaking
to
us.
Thank
you.
We've
now
got
questions
to
officers.
Please
panel
councillor
brooks.
M
It
it
was
to
respond
to
the
previous
point
raised.
No,
I
I
was
just.
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
I
want
to
I
want
to
reassure.
I
want
to
reassure
the
previous
speaker
that
we
we
do
not.
M
B
Thank
you
and
I
think
that
would
be
appropriate
kaylee
to
bear
in
mind
as
we're
having
the
debates
and
making
comments.
Absolutely
absolutely.
Are
there
any
further
questions?
Councilor
anderson
is
that
a
question
yes,
yeah
yeah,
okay,
one.
D
Is
what
I've
looked
through
the
report?
I
can't
see
any
specific
comments
from
the
ward
members
where
there
any.
Secondly,
in
paragraph
14,
the
very
last
bullet12
dash
bullet
point
is
made
that
there
are
some
comment
about
the
access
officer.
So
in
terms
of
equalities
access,
can
we
just
have
clarity
on
okay,
the
points
been
made
doesn't
mean
to
say
that
it's
correct,
I'm
just
asking
for
clarification
as
to
whether
or
not
there
is
or
is
not
an
access
issue,
and
the
other
question
is
what
weight.
What
this
is?
D
Probably
one
for,
nicole?
What
weight
should
we
put
on
the
emerging
rotten
neighborhood
plan,
even
though
we
might
not
necessarily
have
a
detailed
knowledge
of
as
to
what
part
with
concerns
about,
but
in
terms
of
the
principle,
what
we
should
be
put
on
the
emerging
one.
B
Thank
you
I
think
nicole,
is,
is
wanting
to
come
in
on
your
last
point,
barry
nicole.
L
Thanks
chair,
yes,
so
as
with
all
emerging
policies,
obviously
the
further
along
the
process
a
plan
gets
then
the
more
weight
you
can
give,
but
actually
in
relation
to
neighborhood
plan
policies,
then
they
only
should
be
given
full
weight
at
the
point
that
a
referendum
has
been
carried
out,
and
so
I'm
sorry
I'm
struggling
to
find
the
place
in
the
report
with
the
neighborhood
plan.
L
Perhaps
one
of
my
colleagues
could
confirm
that
for
me,
I'm
just
furiously
scrolling
through
the
report
to
find
it
to
find
out
what
stage
it's
at,
but
certainly
if
it's
before
the
referendum
stage
then
really
very
little
weight,
because
there
hasn't
been
much
consultation
and
certainly
not
a
vote
on
whether
members
of
that
area
have
voted
in
favor
of
it.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Kaylee
did
you
want
to
come
back?
What
about
my
other
questions?
Oh,
so,
I'm
so
sorry
barry
a
lapse
in
concentration.
My
apologies.
Please
continue
offices.
Q
Thank
you
for
your
other
questions
there.
In
terms
of
the
access
officer,
I
believe
that
the
access
officer
will
prefer
to
have
one
of
the
ramps
to
to
remain.
Q
I
think
we've
we've
taken
the
ramps
out
to
provide
immunity
space
to
some
of
the
flats,
and
that
was
the
reason
in
invaria
I
mean,
and
obviously
the
ramps
are
detrimental
to
the
the
listed
building
because
they're
not
very
attractive,
but
there's
nothing
to
say
that
we
could,
if
you,
if
you
think,
access
to
the
to
the
flats
with
the
ramp
is
important,
that's
something
that
we
could
could
negotiate,
and
I
think
I
can't
remember
the
other
question.
What's
the
other
question.
Q
Has
obviously
commented
because
he's
the
one
that's
asked
for
the
members
to
to
come
to
plans
panel
for
a
decision,
the
other
two
members
have
not
passed
any
comments
at
the
moment
on
that
application
and
for
information
for
for
members.
Why
I'm
on?
We
have
got
phil
ward,
our
listed
building
officer
here.
If
there's
any
questions
that
you
have
of
him
about
the
actual
listed
building
specifically.
B
Any
further
questions,
councillor
brooks
your
hand,
is
up.
Yes,
thank.
M
You
chair
would
would
officers
mind
bringing
up
slide
45.
M
B
M
So
I've
got
I've
got
some
questions
with
regards
to
this,
this
additional
layer
on
top
of
the
the
1960s
building.
M
So
I
I
don't
understand
how
that
can
be
considered
not
to
be
harming
the
the
like
the
the
heritage
asset
that
this
building
is.
Could
you
talk
me
through
that?
Please.
R
Sorry,
sorry
is
muted.
I
do
do
apologize
just
just
before
I.
I
comment
on
the
extension.
The
the
policies
in
the
core
strategy
on
design
and
conservation,
doing
invite
innovative
responses
in
historic
context.
Of
course,
there's
still
a
judgment
to
be
made
as
to
whether
the
innovative
response
is
is
appropriate
to
list
the
building
a
few
things
I
would,
I
would
say
about
the
roof
extension.
It
is
set
below
the
eaves
line
of
the
of
the
the
host
building.
R
It
is
within
the
footprint
of
the
60s
extension,
so
I
I
I
don't
think
it
could
be
said
to
dominate
the
list
of
building.
I
think
looking
at
the
the
elevation,
maybe
not
the
elevation,
but
the
renderings
3d
renderings
we
saw
before
the
striking
thing
about
it
is
the
the
the
concave
face
to
the
park.
R
R
You
know
it's
very
shapely,
it's
in
and
outs,
and
it
has
elements
such
as
curved
balconies,
so
you
could
say
it.
It
does
mirror
the
the
form
of
the
historic
form
of
the
building.
As
I
said
before,
I
do
think
we
need
to
go
back
and
revisit
materials.
R
Zinc,
I
think,
was,
is
too
visually
heavy,
but
copper,
I
think,
could
be
a
you
know.
A
much
lighter
and
a
better
response
to
building.
M
Can
I
come
back
on
that
chair?
Please,
you
can,
yes,
would
it
be
possible
to
bring
up
slide
44.
M
I
should
maybe
have
said
before
you
got
rid
of
it,
my
apologies,
so
if,
if
we
look
at,
if
we
look
at
the
original
building
and
it's
my
understanding
that
the
the
1960s
extension
part
was
originally
a
conservatory,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
it
like
my
view-
is
that
that
you've
got
this
tower,
you've
got
this
tower
and
the
the
point
of
this
tower
is
to
is,
to
you
know
like
emphasize:
a
grandness
you've
got
you've
got,
I
suppose,
like
a
little
bit
of.
M
M
I
understand
I
understand
the
arguments,
for
you
know
adapting
buildings
to
make
them
more
like
to
preserve
the
building,
but
the
the
building
itself
is
is
large
enough
really
to
to
be
able
to
to
cope
with
enough
flats
to
cover
the
cost
of
the
developer,
and
I'm
I'm
really,
I'm
really
not
convinced
that
we
should
be
discussing
materials.
M
We
should
be
discussing
the
principle
of
of
those
that
addition,
especially
I
don't
mind
so
much
about
the
the
basement
because
as
it
as
it
states
in
the
report,
it
won't
be
noticeable
really,
but
that
that
is
going
to
really
change
the
the
character
of
that
building,
and
I'm
really
really
quite
I
mean
I
am
really
quite
annoyed
about
it.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Councillor
brooks,
and
I
think
you've
you've
made
a
very
strong
statement
about
design
there,
which
is
perfectly
reasonable.
Let
us
not
confuse
it
with
personal
taste.
That's
that
would
be
my
my
only
advice
as
your
chair,
I've
got
councillor
hazelwood
next
and
then
councillor
anderson.
E
Yeah
I
just
want
to
agree
with
councillor
brooks.
I
don't
think
looking
at
those
pictures
that
we
were
shown
with
the
materials
I
don't
think
they're
in
keeping
with
the
original
building
at
all.
I
don't
think
they
complement
the
building
and
so
for
me,
if
you're
going
to
build
a
an
extension
onto
the
you
know
another
floor
onto
the
original
extension,
then
it
needs
looking
at
with
a
lot
more
sympathy
in
relation
to
the
original
building.
E
Because
from
for
me
and
a
comment
was
made
that
it
would
dominate
the
building
from
that
angle
of
the
building.
I
think
in
those
materials
it
would
dominate
the
building
and
and
it
would
completely
completely
throw
out
the
the
you
know,
the
the
it's
a
fabulous
building.
E
It's
it's
a
brilliant
listed
building
and
I
I
don't
think
it
will
complement
it
at
all,
and
so,
if
we,
if
there
is
going
to
be
another
floor
on
that,
then
I
would
like
to
see
other
materials
considered,
because
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
complement
the
original
building
and
it's
a
listed
building.
Thank.
D
It's
on
a
similar
point.
I
got
sent
by
clive
wood
some
photographs
last
night.
I
don't
know
whether
he
sent
them
to
every
single
member
of
the
panel,
but
it
just
the
way
that
it
was
described
by
him
in
the
pictures
he
sent
gave
me
cause
for
concern
right.
But
can
I
ask
carol
coming
on
the
same
question?
D
I
asked
mr
taylor:
do
you
think
a
revised
proposal
is
feasible
on
materials
and
luke,
while
still
retaining
this
extra
building
or
this
extra
part
of
the
building
is
that
do
you
think
you
are
close
to
being
able
to
get
anything
different,
or
would
you
say
that
you're
so
far
up
not
you
personally,
the
applicants
and
the
council
are
so
far
apart
in
terms
of
trying
to
come
to
a
unamended
proposal.
Is
it
worthwhile
deferring
to
get
that
or
what's
your
view.
Q
I
mean
yes,
you
could
defer
it
for
us
to
go
back
and
negotiate
our
materials.
I
think
phil
will
give
you
more
advice
on
what
he
would
think
was
appropriate,
but
I
think
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here
is
something
that's
contemporary
and
modern
on
there,
rather
than
replicating
something
from
the
past.
So
I
don't
know
what
materials
to
suggest
other
than
what
officers
have
negotiated
at
the
moment
and
unless
phil
can
come
up
with
another
idea
on
on
the
scheme
and
phil.
Have
you
got
any
comment,
hello.
R
Hello,
as
I
said
previously,
I
think
I
think,
copper,
which
would
oxidize
and
go
go
green
could
could
be
a
a
visually
lighter
response
than
zinc
and
it's
material.
You
you
often
see
on
on
buildings
of
this
age.
You
know
used
on
the
roof,
for
instance,
and
and
flashing,
so
I
think
it
would
have
a
if
you
like
in
historical
sympathy
with
the
building.
B
C
Campbell,
well,
I
think,
there's
a
choice:
isn't
there
there's
a
principle
about
whether
you
say
there
should
be
an
extension?
There
shouldn't
be
an
extension
if,
in
an
ideal
world,
I
think
I'd
like
to
get
rid
of
the
1960s
extension,
which
is
not
in
itself
a
great
addition,
but
we
stuck
with
it.
I
also
think
that
if
you
look
at
the
original
building
and
it
had
come
to
plans
panel
we'd
be
talking
for
hours
about
the
detailing
on
that,
because
it's
a
real
mishmash
of
styles,
which
happens
to
work.
C
The
last
thing
we
want
is
an
extension
that
attempts
to
replicate
the
original
building,
because
I
think
it
just
ended
up
being
a
phrase,
a
pastiche
and
I
tend
to
agree
with
phil.
Actually,
you
know
if
we're
doing
this,
we
need
to
make
it
obvious
that
it's
a
new
addition
and
actually
I'm
not
as
precious
as
everybody
else
seems
to
be
about
the
principle
of
a
light.
C
F
Oh
I'm
not
I'm,
not,
I'm
not
muted,
for
a
change
right
aside
from
I
mean
this
is
nothing
to
do
with
personal
preference
at
all,
but
but
what
the
comments
that
have
been
made
and
the
feedback
would
have
gleaned
is
that
I
don't
think
anybody
has
an
issue
with
the
conversion
of
the
this
building,
because
it's
difficult,
you
know
it
nobody's
nobody's
going
to
want
that
size
of
residential
house
and
if
they
did
not
where
it
is
so
it's
ideal
to
be
converted
into
by
more
bite-sized
units
if
you
like,
but
the
if
we
in
other
plans
panel
discussions,
we've
talked
at
length
about
the
design
and
whether
it's
appropriate
or
not-
and
I
totally
acknowledge
counselor
campbell's
points
and
and
the
fact
that
something
has
to
be
contemporary,
but
it
but
it.
F
It
doesn't
need
to
replicate
the
rest
of
the
building
at
all.
It
can't
but
it,
but
it's
it
the
60s
extension
it
was
before
anybody
went
on
about
it
and-
and
so
that's
been
a
bit
of
an
eyesore,
so
to
stick
another
story
on.
F
It
is
a
bit
like
patching
it
up
and
I
think
they
could
do
with
going
back
and
think
rethinking
that
a
bit,
but
we
we
are
mindful,
I
think,
of
of
how
much
time
this
has
taken
and
how
that
I've
not
spoken
to
the
developers
about
it,
obviously,
but
how
much
time
and
effort
they've
put
in
and
we
want
to
try
and
work
with
them
if
possible,
because
it's
an
ideal
solution,
it's
just
not
perfect,
and
in
my
idea
it's
just
not
perfect.
At
the
moment,
I
think
it
could
be
improved.
Thank.
B
F
B
G
It's
a
really
difficult
one,
because
I
think
we've
had
conversations
on
this
panel
before
about
alterations
to
historic
buildings
when
people
try
and
replicate
a
historic
building-
and
it
goes
horribly
horribly
wrong
because
trying
to
get
the
the
style
of
the
old
building
is
difficult,
and
I
I
think
I'll
I'll
I'll
come
to
the
previous
comments.
I
think
in
that
I
think
it's.
G
The
principle
of
this
is:
is
it
there
or
is
it
not
there?
If,
if
we
agree
the
principle,
if
it
is
there
and
actually
we,
you
probably
have
to
then
make
a
judgment
over
whether
or
not
they
can
realistically
design
something
that
actually
complements
the
history
of
the
building
or
you
accept
that
there's
modernity
and
design
moves
on
all
you
do
make
the
arrivement
and
say
well.
Actually
they
don't
need
the
additional
room.
It's
a
commercial
consideration.
From
their
point
of
view.
We
don't
think
it
matches
the
building.
G
I
must
admit
from
my
point
of
view,
I'm
slightly
50
50.
I
don't
know
which
is
the
right
size
to
fall
down
on,
because
it
is
such
a
a
weird
one.
Obviously,
it
would
help
the
building
in
terms
of
revenue,
except
for
it
to
have
as
many
rooms
as
it
can,
but
at
the
same
time,
that
has
to
be
complementary
to
its
surroundings.
G
At
the
same
time,
I
also
don't
think
we
we
should
air
into
designing
this
by
a
committee.
No,
and-
and
that-
and
that's
I
think,
is
the
really
difficult
point
and
I'm
willing
and
hear
what
other
colleagues
say,
because
I
think
this
is
a
really
really
difficult
balance
and
we
shouldn't
rule
out
the
modern
just
because
it's
modern
on
an
old
building.
M
Yeah,
follow
following
on
from
council
ray's
comments.
I
think
that's
what
I
was
saying
with
regards
to
the
principle
of
having
the
addition
in
the
first
place,
because,
as
as
I
as
I
explained,
I
think
it
would
just
throw
throw
the
building
out
whether
it's,
whether
it's
a
softer
edition
or
whether
it's
a
harder
one,
it's
going
to
look
odd.
It's
just
going
to
look
strange
so
and
that
that
is
a
that
is
an
important
design
consideration.
M
It's
not!
It's
not
actually
got
anything
to
do
with
personal
taste.
In
my
from
my
point
of
view,
like
I'm
a
person
that
actively
seeks
out
brutalist
buildings
in
my
spare
time
to
look
at
and
enjoy
them.
So
it's
not
it's
not
that
it's
more!
It's
more!
The
appreciation
of
of
the
the
history
of
the
building
and
the
aesthetics
of
of
the
building
at
the
moment,
and
whether
whether
that
addition
will
cause
harm,
and
in
my
book
it
will
cause
harm.
It
will
throw
off
the
balance
of
that
building.
H
H
B
But
we'll
just
see
if
there
are
any
more
views,
first
steve
and
then
I'll
come
back
yeah.
Is
there
anybody
else,
who'd
like
to
express
a
view,
because
I
think
I
probably
would
just
like
to
kind
of
summarize
where
I
think
we've
got
to
with
this
we've
considered
the
value
of
having
this
old
building
put
back
to
work
and
therefore
preserved,
which
is
a
valuable
feature
and
we're
considering
that
against
the
balance
of
having
a
contemporary
stroke,
traditional
combination
and
whether
that
combination
in
this
particular
example
works.
B
Though
I
have
heard
a
number
of
people
express
support
for
contemporary
and
traditional
combinations,
and
I
do
myself
it's
whether
those
things
come
together
in
this
particular
development
and
whether
we've
got
the
right
balance
here
personally-
and
I
did
mention
this
at
the
chairs
brief
with
carol-
I'm
not
entirely
convinced
that
those
slides
that
we've
seen
actually
do
give
us
the
a
proper
impression
of
what
that
building
will
look
like.
B
I
think,
we're
all
struggling,
because
we're
struggling
to
interpret
what
those
images
are
telling
us
they're
not
easy
to
distinguish,
and
I
think
we
need
a
better
in
this
just
my
view.
I
think
we
need
a
better
indication.
B
I
think
a
number
of
people
have
talked
about
going
back
and
having
another
look
to
see
if
we
can
achieve
something.
That's
more
helpful
to
us
all
to
make
a
judgment
about
now
steve
if
you'd
like
to
come
in
at
this
point.
H
Thank
you,
chair
chair.
I
know,
there's
been
some
comments
about
possible
removal
of
that
first
floor,
extension's
entirety,
but
I
think
in
general
the
the
panel
are
accepting
of
some
form
of
extension
on
the
roof,
we're
concerned
about
the
materials
and
the
design,
and
I
think
if,
if
members
could
confirm
that,
then
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
point
to
actually
perhaps
change
the
recommendation
again
and
and
actually
defer
it
for
us
to
to
discuss
in
detail
the
actual
design
and
the
materials
for
the
extension.
H
It
also
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
to
flesh
out
the
other
conditions
better.
I
must
say
the
applicant
did
submit
some
better
3d
drawings
at
very
last
minute
this
morning,
but
it's
trying
to
be
consistent.
Often,
I
won't
recommend
that
late
submissions
are
given
to
the
panel
because
the
people
that
have
the
opportunity
to
see
them
so
I
kept
them
off.
H
So
I
think
if
it
was
deferred
on
the
basis
that
members
are
accepting
that
a
first
floor
extension
could
be
acceptable
but
subject
to
getting
the
materials
and
the
design
right
and
clearer.
H
B
Q
C
Q
D
B
H
Yeah,
sorry,
just
to
make
absolutely
clear
it's
on
the
basis
that
we're
actually
going
back
to
the
developer,
to
negotiate
on
on
some
form
of
first
floor
extension,
but
the
materials
and
the
the
design
needs
to
be
better
because
I
just
want
to
be
clear
because
I
know
there
were
comments
about
removing
it
all
together,
but
I'm
not
sure
not
sure
that
would
it
was
the
was
the
panel's
majority
view.
H
So,
if
that's
that's
the
point,
then,
yes,
if
you
need
to
defer
and
delegate
both
checks,
there's
two
applications,
don't
forget
would
have
been
a
listed
building
and
a
planning
application.
B
B
H
Chair
somebody
needs
to
sort
of
move
that
and
and
second
and
also
I'll
take
it
listen
the
voting,
because
I
think
okay.
B
Thank
you
all
of
those.
Oh
I'll
go
down
the
list.
So
if
you
say
you
support
or
don't
support
the
proposal,
counselor
anderson
support
councillor
brooks.
H
M
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
indeed.
Well.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
that
item
and
I'm
sure
when
it
comes
back,
we'll
have
a
much
much
longer
debate.
Thank
you.
H
I
think
I'd
better
do
chair
and
I
that
an
alternative
motion
was
passed
to
defer
the
application
for
further
discussion
with
the
applicant
regarding
the
first
floor,
extensions
design
materials,
but
also
to
give
officers
the
opportunity
to
flesh
out
the
the
other
light
conditions.
Thank
you
chair.
B
Thank
you.
So
now
we
move
on
to
agenda
item
11
the
kirkstall
forge
application.
Richard
you've
had
a
long
wait,
but
thank
you
for
being
here.
K
Okay,
good
afternoon
members,
this
is
the
application
which
is
presentation
to
your
report
pack
agenda
item
11
commencing
at
page
103,
and
this
is
for
the
variation
of
conditions
12,
which
is
the
completion
of
the
eastern
and
western
accesses
and
13,
which
is
the
provision
of
a
bus
route
of
approval
1504824
to
amend
the
wording
of
these
conditions.
K
This
scale,
one
to
nine
thousand
slides,
shows
the
extent
of
the
kirkstor
forge
site
is
subject
to
the
outline
application.
I've
just
mentioned
1504
824
an
apology's
chair.
If
I
keep
them
to
read
out
references,
but
it's
important
that
we're
clear
on
what
we're
what
we're
varying
next
slide.
Please
tell
me.
K
K
K
The
site
currently
contains
plot
j1,
also
known
as
kirkstall
forge
number
one,
an
office
building
of
just
over
fifteen
thousand
square
meters.
Next
slide,
please
tell
me,
within
the
coaxial,
forge
site
itself.
The
estate
so
far
currently
consists
of
that
office.
Plot
j1,
which
is
set
adjacent
to
the
railway
line
and
the
railway
station
itself,
the
western
access
to
the
kirksville
forge
estate
is
shown
in
the
top
left
of
this
plan
and
the
route
of
the
adopted
internal
spy.
K
K
K
Has
been
approved
for
reserve
matters,
two
plots
e
and
f
for
213
dwellings
as
set
to
the
northeast
of
the
river
aside
from
existing
building
j-1
and
the
train
station.
The
only
other
current
development
consists
of
the
two
prototype
houses
set
just
to
the
northern
tip
of
what
we
call
the
stitch
within
these
plots.
E
and
f.
K
These
were
actually
finished
during
2020
as
part
of
a
previous
reserved
matter's
approval
and
the
houses
are
set
alongside
an
initial
length
of
middle
spine,
roads
at
enf
called
isabella
avenue,
and
these
have
been
delivered
and
occupied
on
site
since
completion,
and
this
is
to
allow
the
applicant
cg
to
market
test
this
part
of
their
designs
aside
from
plots
j1
and
enf.
I
also
highlight
the
following
plots,
and
this
is
particularly
the
subjects
of
this
application
which
align
the
land
between
the
railway
line
and
the
river
so
from
left
to
right.
These
are
residential
plots.
K
K1
k2
office
plots
k3,
k4
and
residential
plots.
J3
j4
the
applicant
is
considered
a
combination
of
residential
plots,
e
and
f
and
j3
j4
alongside
office.
Plot
k3
is
crucial
to
having
a
critical
mass
of
development
set
around
this
stitch
area
to
generate
sufficient
revenues
for
outstanding
infrastructure.
K
K
The
applicants
outlined
that
they
expect
a
further
460
indirect,
full-time,
equivalent
jobs
to
be
supported
during
construction
once
built,
these
plots
k3k4
will
be
seen
to
provide
and
accommodate
over
2
000
new
jobs
on
the
site
and
the
creation
of
up
to
995
full-time,
equivalent,
indirect
jobs
across
the
wider
region.
The
delivery.
K
Also,
as
this
is
a
mixed
use,
site
allocated
site,
that
is,
the
timely
delivery
of
sustainable
housing
component
within
kirkster
forge,
is
strongly
supported
through
the
core
strategy.
The
staff
allocation
has
initially
identified
that
the
site
can
offer
nearly
1400
housing
units
have
been
sustainably
located.
This
is
an
important
strategic
consideration
in
the
timely
delivery
of
these
units
within
the
planned
period.
A
A
Move
on
to
the
next
slide
chair,
I
did
put
my
hand
up
to
ask
you're
talking
about
k.
One
two:
oh,
have
you
got
a
cursor
that
you
could
use
to
show
because
I
can't
can't
make
them
out.
You
know
if
you
can,
just
when
you
were
talking
about
yeah,
please.
K
K
Yep,
so
k1
and
k2
are
just
on
the
left
hand
side,
but
in
between
the
railway
line
and
the
river,
and
then
you've
got
k3
k4
just
to
the
right
of
that,
and
then
you've
got
what
we
call
the
stitch
and
then
you've
got
to
the
right
of
the
stitch.
You've
got
building
j1
and
then
to
the
right
of
that
you've
got
the
other
plots
that
I
mentioned
j3j4.
K
J
K
Hopefully,
that's
coming
through
it's
a
bit:
it's
a
bit
a
bit
more
difficult
online
as
opposed
to
having
the
red
the
the
the
the
red
functionality
at
at
marin
at
sorry.
That's
it
cool
I'll
move
on
to.
If
you
can
go
back
to
that
plan.
That's
that's
that's
great!
Thank
you.
K
So
the
site
includes
the
other
key
routes
I
mentioned
through
it
just
just
very
much
give
that
to
the
right
slide
and
return.
Just
return
is
the
application
proposal
itself
and
specifically
that
of
the
two
junctions
connecting
with
the
a65
and
the
internal
spine
road
through
the
site
between
the
two.
These
are
the
existing
east
existing
western
and
the
future
eastern
junctions.
These
are
the
junctions
concerned
with
conditions
12
and
13
to
be
varied.
K
K
K
This
photograph
shows
the
eastern
junction
upon
approach
from
the
a65,
but
this
time
traveling
north
westbound
towards
horsford.
The
existing
access
can
provide
construction
access
and
security.
Cabin
porta
cabin
presence
is
already
provided
just
beyond
the
audience
to
the
site
here
next
slide,
please.
K
This
slide
shows
the
extent
of
the
adopted
adopted
road
in
grey
from
the
western
junction
down
to
office
building
j1
and
the
railway
station
kirksville
forge
is
a
complex
site
for
development,
with
a
number
of
infrastructure
and
abnormal
costs
associated
to
it
and
that's
beyond
the
site,
clearance
and
preparation
costs.
This
includes
two
highway
junctions
and
a
number
of
lengthy,
connecting
link,
stroke,
internal
roads,
a
flood
relief
channel
and
significant
contaminated
land
remediation
costs
amongst
them.
K
Examples
of
this
expenditure
include
6
million
pounds
on
remediation
earthworks,
6
million
pounds
on
roads,
bridges
and
drainage,
and
9
million
pounds
in
river
walls,
utilities
and
flood
alleviation
included
within
these
figures
is
15
million
pounds
spent
within
the
first
phase
of
infrastructure
to
allow
plot
j1
to
successfully
operate.
The
applicants
highlight
that
70
percent
of
the
costs
close
to
17
million
has
been
invested
in
the
site.
K
It
is
crucial
that
projects
in
the
wider
estate
development
can
now
start
to
receive
more
revenue
in
order
for
the
additional
investment
in
the
future
to
facilitate
the
further
supported
infrastructure,
I.e.
The
eastern
junction
and
the
continuation
of
the
spine
road
to
be
delivered
included
in
the
97
million
pounds
is
7.1
million,
which
is
required
to
deliver
the
infrastructure
works
that
will
enable
the
delivery
of
the
approved
residential
plots,
e
and
f
the
213
homes
and
plots
j3,
j4
425
homes.
K
Loan
funding
has
been
has
has
been
initially
provided
or
initially
shown
to
be
to
be
provided
to
assist
in
this
required
infrastructure
delivery
work,
and
this
is
in
principle,
being
secured
from
homes,
england
initially
to
be
drawn
down
up
to
the
31st
of
march
this
year.
However,
the
lender
has
outlined
that
this
is
subject
to
confirmation
of
the
variation
of
these
particular
conditions.
Beyond
this
initial
housing
delivery.
M
Sorry,
sorry,
can
I
interject
a
moment
the
the
the
printout
that
I've
got
here
and
the
the
slide
that
I
can
see.
I
can't
actually
read
what
anything
says
on
it.
K
Essentially,
this
is
this
is
a
highways
plan
that
was
used
as
part
of
the
the
extent
of
the
works
to
be
adopted
by
lee
city
council,
and
the
key
thing
really
is
that
that
you
see
the
gray
road,
the
road
that
goes
from
the
existing
western
junction,
all
the
way
down
into
the
railway
station.
That's
that's
the
area
that's
been
adopted
so
that
that's
that's
important
to
know
in
terms
of
the
expenditure
that's
been
invested
and
what,
essentially,
you
know,
serves
coastal
forge
at
the
moment
in
terms
of
road
infrastructure.
Anyway,.
B
K
B
Well,
it
was
for
a
minute.
Perhaps
if
you
go
slower,
yeah.
K
K
That
is
what
we
call
a
temporary
road
surface,
which
is
actually
not
a
actually
that's,
that's
actually
not
adopted
as
such,
but
that
is
actually
part
of
the
road
circulation
that
goes
back
onto
that
grey
infrastructure
that
we
have
adopted.
M
Yeah,
I
suppose
so
chair
as
suppose
in
future,
when,
when
documents
being
included
in
the
slides
can
can,
can
it
be
made
sure
that
it
can
be
read
properly.
K
Yeah
I
appreciate
the
the
quality
of
that
plan
is
not
not
great,
so
toby
if
you
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide
from
that
one.
Thank
you.
K
K
The
conditions
above
that
you
see
in
this
slide
are
taken
from
the
current
relevant
consent,
which
is
the
1504824
which
updated
those
of
the
april
2014,
and
this
was
approved
in
december
2015
and
all
these
application
details
are
within
the
relevant
history
of
the
report
pack
at
that
time
in
december
2015,
some
of
the
conditions
as
varied
included,
12
and
13,
and
that
was
to
raise
the
threshold
to
a
figure
of
884
from
the
previous
450
that
were
used
to
calculate
when
the
eastern
juncture
would
come
forward
next
slide.
Please
toby.
K
B
K
K
This
equates
to
the
213
units
approved
at
plots,
e
and
f
the
425
units
expected
at
plots,
j3,
j4
and
200
units
that
plots
k1
k2
in
respect
to
condition
12
for
the
delivery
of
the
new
eastern
junction,
the
25
954
square
meters
of
maximum
commercial
floor
space
in
office
use
relates
to
existing
plot
j1
and
also
that
of
what
we
call
clock,
k3,
which
is
the
one
part
of
the
reserve
matters,
consent
that's
approved
in
may,
2020
for
the
two
office
buildings,
k3
k4
and
its
multi-story
car
park,
the
second
threshold,
the
thirty
five
thousand
five,
four
nine
figure
that
you
see
referenced
in
both
condition.
K
Twelve
relating
to
the
design
work
around
the
eastern
junction
and
the
access
rate
and
condition.
Thirteen
for
the
actual
delivery
of
the
associated
bus
route
relates
to
the
aforementioned
plots,
along
with.
In
addition,
the
other
outstanding
plot
k4,
the
other
part
of
the
office
reserve
matters
in
2019
in
terms
of
condition
13
and
as
an
update
to
the
report
pack.
This
latest
form
of
suggested
condition.
Wording
in
the
variation
proposed
has
been
communicated
with
the
west
yorkshire
combined
authority,
who
state
that
this
latest
version
looks
stronger
with
respect
to
public
transport
running
through
the
site.
K
K
Back
principally,
to
condition
12,
this
slide
shows
the
basis
of
the
daily
highway
analysis
and
that
modeling
work
around
highways
authority,
consideration
of
what
would
form
an
accepted
maximum
quantum
of
development
that
could
be
taken
off
the
western
junction
safely
and
efficiently.
At
this
point
in
time,
this
is
based
on
saturation
levels
predicted
being
no
higher
than
90
of
the
junction's
designed
capacity,
and
this
allows
for
the
delivery
of
plots
j1
the
office
enf,
the
residential
j3,
j4
residential,
again
k1
k2,
residential,
again
and
plot
k3
office.
Taken
together.
K
If
plot
k4
was
also
to
come
forward
off
this
junction,
it
would
only
be
based
upon
ongoing
evidence
of
the
junctions
in
a
junction's
ability
to
operate
successfully
and
efficiently,
as
the
other
plots
start
to
provide
travel
data
sets
next
slide.
Please
tell
me
the
additional
condition
I
mentioned
previously
in
the
previous
slides
references
to
free
highway
improvements
which
will
be
secured
through
the
approval
of
this
application
over
and
above
anything
else
within
the
current
december
2015
consent
as
it
currently
stands.
K
The
first
improvement
is
shown
here
as
outlined
within
this
slide,
which
shows
some
white
line
in
alterations.
That
will
be
undertaken
to
ensure
the
western
junction
is
designed
more
efficiently
further
enhancing
its
ability
to
accommodate
larger
volumes
of
traffic
at
peak
periods
in
particular.
Next
slide,
please
toby.
K
This
will
enable
quick
and
enhanced
pedestrian
access
for
both
incoming
residents
of
these
plots
to
various
facilities
and
the
local
shops
services,
and
also
for
the
neighbouring
communities
of
kirkster
and
hawksworth.
If
wishing
to
access
the
train
station
or
facilities
within
coastal
forge,
this
is
strongly
supported,
as
this
will
benefit
many.
Although
it's
accepted
noted
and
recognized
that,
at
this
stage,
due
to
the
gradients
of
topography
involved,
wheelchair
and
push
chair,
access
will
still
be
required
via
the
western
junction
for
the
time
being,
at
least
although
this
is
no
change
from
the
present.
K
This
is
a
particularly
welcome
feature
and
will
reduce
overall
walk-in
travel
distances
from
the
existing
and
new
plots
emerging
and
the
train
station
to
key
local
services
and
facilities
on
a
much
more
aligned
basis,
with
current
accessibility
guidelines
for
new
development
in
the
core
strategy
of
interest.
The
current
ratio
for
walking
trips
within
the
total
overall
percentage
of
trips
made
by
users
as
surveyed
in
january
2018
was
24.6.
K
It
is
expected
that
the
additional
measures
suggested
here
would
further
encourage
and
increase
the
numbers
of
pedestrian
movements
to
those
using
the
train
station.
Indeed,
it's
noticed
noted
from
the
office
of
rail
and
road
statistics
that
suggests
the
railway
station
was
used
by
54.7,
more
users
in
2019
than
it
was
in
2018.
K
K
K
This
provides
pedestrians
with
an
existing
crossing
facility
if
accessing
the
residential
communities
in
this
area
to
the
north
west
in
the
opposite
direction.
At
the
westin
junction
there
is
an
existing
pelican
crossing
facility
to
use,
if
required,
when
crossing
the
a65
in
that
particular
broad
direction.
K
K
The
proposal
also
more
formally
conforms
that
should
emerge
the
access
ever
be
required
from
the
eastern
access,
as
opposed
to
western
junction
I.e.
Perhaps
this
might
be
during
peak
periods
with
responders
coming
from
the
east,
for
example,
this
would
be
made
available
via
the
current
unadopted
internal
road
arrangements
linking
the
eastern
end
of
the
site
to
butler's
wharf,
should
this
business
desired
by
the
emergency
services
and
in
advance
of
obviously
the
future
eastern
junction
junction
being
brought
forward.
K
So
to
sum
up,
chair
next
slide,
please
toby.
To
sum
up
chair.
This
application
is
considered
to
provide
the
appropriate
balance
between
the
expediated
delivery
of
the
next
phases
of
housing
and
office
plots,
and
whilst
this
would
essentially
be
from
the
western
junction,
the
short
term,
this
alteration
to
the
existing
restrictive
conditions
is
considered
would
allow
for
a
more
evenly
distributed.
Loading
of
infrastructure
to
the
overall
development
costs,
an
expediated
delivery
of
housing
and
employment
in
the
short
term.
The
ability
to
more
quickly
deliver
this
much
support
housing.
K
Economic
investment
occurs
to
forge
when,
in
turn,
it
is
hoped,
generate.
The
revenues
required
to
support
the
delivery
of
the
circa
9
million
pound
eastern
junction
access
road.
So
the
application
supports
sustainable
economic
and
housing
growth
whilst
at
the
same
time
protects
highway
safety
and
efficiency.
K
B
Thank
you
richard
and
although
it
is
unusual
to
interject,
while
the
presentation's
going
on-
and
I
appreciate
that
colleagues
needed
to-
I
can
just
apologize
to
you-
I
can
only
see
three
people
other
than
the
speaker
when
the
presentation
is
up,
so
I
missed
your
indications
and
I
apologize
for
causing
you
to
have
to
interject
like
that.
Okay,
we
have
no
speakers
on
this
item.
So
I'd
like
to
invite
questions
to
officers
straight
away,
please
counselor
ray.
G
Oh,
this
is
a
kind
of
executive
summary,
because
that
was
a
lot
of
them
must
amount.
I'm
going
to
need
a
coffee
after
that,
how
you
read
that,
and
it
was
like
star
trek.
Basically,
what
we're
saying
is
conditions
need
to
be
varied
in
order
to
deliver
what
needs
to
be
done
in
line
with
the
funding
requirements.
Is
that
basically,
the
layman's
terms
of
it.
B
I'll
I'll
let
the
officer
respond.
First,
richard.
K
Yes,
I
mean
essentially
that
that's
a
fairly
reasonable
summary:
there
is
some
homes,
england
funding,
that's
crucial
here
to
deliver.
There
are
their
requirements
of
just
over
500
homes,
which
is
this
the
key
point
of
the
the
funding
to
be
obtained
or
drawn
down
by
the
31st
of
march.
K
The
applicants
do
consider
that,
as
part
of
this
variation
of
conditions
that
we
we
need
to
just
look
a
bit
beyond
that
to
get
what
we
call
a
critical
mass
of
development
to
help.
You
know
further
actually
deliver
that
eastern
junction
eastern
access
road
in
in
in
in
a
quicker
time
scale
than
obviously
the
current
revenues
from
the
existing
building
j1
would
obviously
allow
so
essentially,
in
summary,
that
is
correct.
K
The
funding
relates
more
to
what
we
call
plots
e
and
f
and
plots
j3
j4,
but
the
variation
conditions
would
go
a
little
bit
further
than
that
and
would
would
allow
for
some
some
more
development
off
that
western
junction,
but
not
to
a
point
which
jeopardizes
this
highway.
Safety
and
efficiency
of
that
junction.
B
So
basically,
the
the
second
access
was
due
to
come
forward
at
an
earlier
stage,
and
the
developer
now
finds
that,
in
order
to
draw
down
the
homes,
england,
money,
the
residential
has
to
be
completed,
and
actually
a
little
bit
of
the
of
the
other
development
needs
to
be
completed
in
order
to
generate
sufficient
income
to
do
the
second
access
and
the
road.
B
B
I
don't
know
whether
andy
wants
to
come
in
at
this
point
and
just
explain
about
the
traffic
element
of
this
and
what
caused
you
to
conclude.
As
you
have
andy.
R
Yeah,
thank
you.
Chad,
yeah
I'll,
try
and
explain
it
in
layman's
terms.
R
B
R
But
but
I
think
the
big
change
is
that
that
up
to
the
application
in
5015
application
that
it
should
referred
to
all
the
traffic
assessments
were
based
on
the
theoretical
traffic
generation.
That
was
determined
at
the
original
outline
approval
stage
and
and
basically
the
the
cond.
The
initial
condition
allowed
a
certain
amount
of
traffic
to
be
generated.
R
But
when
in
in
15,
we
were
at
the
position
where
we
we
had
more
certainty
over
building
j-1
and
what
was
then
going
to
be
the
first
phase
of
residential
and
the
the
amount
of
traffic
allowed
by
the
the
initial
conditions
didn't
allow
for
that
quantum
of
development.
But
it
wasn't
a
huge
step
to
tweak
those
conditions
to
allow
for
that
additional
quantum
of
development
to
allow
j1
and
the
first
phase
of
the
development
to
occur.
R
R
So
so
so
more
recently,
the
office
building
j1
has
been
built
and
occupied
and
there's
been,
both
transport
traffic
counts
done
at
the
the
western
access
and
traffic
travel
plan,
survey,
work
done
and-
and
that's
given
us
some
more
certainty
over
actually
the
traffic
that
the
office
buildings
are
generating
rather
than
the
initial
hypothetical
assumptions.
R
So
so
that's
allowed
us
to
take
that
if
you
like
surveyed
traffic
data
forward
and
and
and
through
using
that
data
allowed
us
to
reassess
the
junction
to
work
out
how
much
development
traffic
can
pass
through
it.
So
so
that's
why
we've
we've
apparently
gone
from
quite
a
big,
a
big
step
in
terms
of
the
development
that
was
allowed
under
the
15
application
up
to
the
the
current
day
and
we're
in
a
position
where
the
the
level
of
development
that
we're
recommending
is
acceptable.
R
We'll
take
the
junction
up
to
90
percent
of
its
capacity
on
on
the
the
worst
affected
arms.
So
it's
so
so
figures
that
the
the
council's
content
with.
R
But
if
we,
if
we
then
add
in
the
additional
office
building,
it
takes
it
up
nearly
to
full
capacity
which
we're
not
comfortable
with
at
the
moment,
but
but
obviously
it
does
give
a
period
of
time
for
further
settling
in
of
j-1
and
actually
a
new
office
building
to
be
built
and
occupied
and
traveled
patterns
for
that
that
that
office
building
understood
as
well
so
it
so.
R
It
would
allow
further
assessment
in
the
future,
but
but
at
the
moment
we're
in
a
position
where
we've
we've
got
traffic
flows
based
on
on
data
on
the
site
that
we
feel
comfortable
with
to
take
forward
and
and,
as
richard
said,
the
the
minor
alteration
to
the
western
access.
What's
what
it
does
is
it
just
increases
the
the
length
that
traffic
can
accumulate
towards
the
junction
and
it
that
just
slightly
increases
the
capacity
of
the
junction
and
that
again
is
just
necessary
to
to
allow
it
to
function
as
we
wish.
B
So,
in
short,
whereas
the
developer
wanted
to
do
all
of
the
residential
and
both
of
the
office
blocks
before
commencing
the
road
they're,
now
wanting
to
do
just
one
of
the
office
blocks
in
the
residential
in
order
to
make
the
traffic
more
manageable,
however,
it
is
absolutely
crucial
that
that
second
road
and
junction
does
appear
at
the
time
stated
so
richard.
Can
you
just
tell
us
how
these
conditions
ensure
that
that
road
will
be
built.
K
Yeah,
okay,
thanks
chair,
so
you
know
within
the
wording
of
the
conditions
that
we've
been
obviously
looking
at
with
the
applicants.
It
allows
essentially
for
a
point
where
you
get
to
90
occupancy
on
those
particular
buildings
that
we've
mentioned
where
by
then
the
design
work
for
the
new
eastern
junction
eastern
access
road
has
to
be
submitted
for
obviously
our
approval.
It's
not
a
it's,
not
a
light
touch
piece
of
work.
K
It's
a
nine
million
pounds,
piece
of
infrastructure
and
all
of
the
plots
off
the
eastern
side
will
all
flow
from
that.
K
So
it's
a
very
difficult,
tricky
piece
of
work
to
understand
in
terms
of
the
land
levels
and
geometry,
and
you
have
to
be
absolutely
pretty
certain
as
to
how
you're
going
to
develop
that
eastern
side
before
you
can
deliver
that
that
particular
access
road
or
certainly
design
it
so
the
current
conditions
or
the
sort
of
proposed
conditions
will
allow
us
to
oversee
that
and
hopefully,
in
a
timely
manner,
prior
to
obviously
full
occupation
of
those
buildings
and
that's
obviously
built
into
the
conditions
that
you've
got
proposed
today,
but
in
at
the
same
time.
K
The
crucial
thing
is
that
the
work
that
myself
and
andy
have
been
doing
the
applicant
is
that
we've
got
a
you
know,
a
group
of
buildings
which
would
not
take
the
western
junction
over
capacity
in
our
consideration
unless
obviously-
and
that
might
change
unless
obviously
the
data
comes
forward,
that
shows
continuing
improvements
in
travel
planning
and
travel
patterning,
which
we
are
seeing
gradually
at
coastal,
forge.
We
are
seeing
increasing
modal
shift
onto
public
transport.
We
certainly
were
before
the
pandemic
anyway,
so
we
we
are
going
in
the
right
direction.
K
So,
hopefully,
over
time
you
know
that
data
can
be
built
up
and
if
it
can
be
understood,
you
know
there
might
be
an
opportunity
to
allow
the
the
other
office
buildings
come
forward
as
well,
but
certainly
in
the
short
term,
it
means
that
we
can
deliver
the
buildings
and
we
can
then
safeguard
the
future
of
the
eastern
junction
to
come
forward
under
our
design
before
the
full
occupation
of
those
buildings.
B
Thank
you
richard,
and
also
we
don't
have
speakers
on
this,
but
we
do
have
donna,
dominic
crowley,
nickley
tony
armstrong,
gareth
chambers,
david
bell
and
thomas
bone
here
from
the
developers
representing
them,
and
so
they
can
be
brought
forward
for
some
questions,
if
that's
necessary.
So
can
I
invite
members
of
the
panel
now
to
ask
any
questions
they'd
like
to
ask.
B
Can't
see
a
single
hand,
any
comments
that
anybody
would
like
to
offer
councillor
campbell.
C
C
I
appreciate
that
the
western
junction,
sorry,
the
eastern
junction,
will
not
be
built
as
soon
as
perhaps
we
hoped
it
would
be,
but
it
seems
to
me
that,
if
we're
making
access
for
emergency
vehicles,
we
ought
to
be
able
to
make
access
for
cyclists
as
well,
and
I
wonder
if
officers
could
look
at
the
provision
of
a
cycle
access
point
where
that
junctions
are
going,
and
I
also
because
the
keen
cyclist
is
contacting
me
about
how
you
get
from
this
development
onto
the
canal,
tow
path
and
so
again
could
officers
look
at
how
that
link
works
in
terms
of
cycling,
of
course
pedestrians.
B
K
Yeah,
I
can
make
some
points
on
that
week.
Chair,
that's
okay,.
K
So
yeah
we
can
certainly
look
at
that.
There
is
some.
There
is
some
initial
funding.
That's
been
accrued
to
develop
cycling,
link
from
the
abbey
grounds
up
through
some
of
the
woodlands
to
the
eastern
side
of
coastal
forge.
K
It
has
gone
through
quite
a
lot
of
discussion
with
local
war
members
and
the
applicants
etc,
so
that
we
take
the
most
sensitive
routes,
but
it
is
a
requirement
as
part
of
the
original
legal
obligations
within
the
original
outline.
So
that's
been
worked
up
and
actually
we
were
getting
I'm
quite
you
know
making
a
lot
of
headway
on
that.
K
Actually,
although
because
of
the
the
local
connections
with
the
some
of
the
interested
parties,
certainly
with
the
abbey
grounds,
it
was
taking
a
little
bit
more
time
just
to
ensure
that
the
local
community
were
happy
with
the
designs
that
such
trans
were
doing
on
that,
and
I
think
unfortunately,
due
to
one
or
two
illnesses
within
the
parks
and
countryside
section,
it's
been
a
bit
slower
in
being
delivered,
but
that's
mainly
at
our
end,
rather
than
the
outputs
end.
K
Obviously
the
only
issue,
but
we
can
certainly
look
at
it.
The
only
issue
with
the
eastern
side
is
one
of
the
intentions
of
the
applicant
was
obviously
to
use
the
eastern
side
as
a
construction
access
and
to
separate
the
health
and
safety
issues
that
you
get
with
construction
from
the
public.
So
we
just
need
to
look
at
a
little
bit
closer
if
we
did
with
with
cycling
access,
but
I'm
sure
and
obviously
with
the
applicants
here
they
can
speak
on
their
behalf.
K
I'm
sure
we
can
certainly
look
into
that
a
little
bit
further.
If
that's,
if
that's
helpful,.
C
But
actually,
I
suppose,
from
my
point
of
view,
how
we
could
do
it,
and
I
think,
if
it's
an
aspiration
of
the
panel
to
create
this
cycle
link-
and
I
think
in
the
long
term-
it
is-
then
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
we
shouldn't
look
at
that
now,
notwithstanding
that
there
may
be
issues,
but
certainly
as
far
as
possible
to
provide
it.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
I
think
we've
all
been
lobbied
by
cyclists
to
say
that
this
needs
to
be
a
bit
more
cycle
friendly.
Actually
not
that
we've,
you
know
formally
spoken
within
any
way,
but
I
just
wonder
if
any
of
those
representing
the
applicant
could
give
us
some
sort
of
assurance
that
you
could
perhaps
look
again
at
cycle
access
and
perhaps
talk
to
the
public
a
little
bit
about
your
plans
and
see
if
you
can
accommodate
what's
required.
H
Yeah,
sorry,
it's
been
an
awful
lot
of
information,
isn't
it
for
the
members
I
just
wanted
to.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
all
we're
really
trying
to
do
is
just
delay
for
a
little
while
the
construction
of
the
eastern
access.
To
put
it
very
succinctly,
so
we
guess
we
can
look
at
the
access
arrangement
for
cyclists,
but
really
it's
not
for
this
application,
but
it's
certainly
something
we
can
take
forward
with
the
with
when
we're
just
doing
the
design
of
the
the
junction
is
that
that
effect
coming.
A
Yes
chair,
my
name's
nick
lead
development
director
at
cg
we're
happy
to
explore
that
as
per
has
been
suggested.
A
Can
I
also
just
explain-
and
maybe
this
is
some
good
feedback-
that
we
can
go
away
and
look
at
signage
access
to
the
canal
is
available
via
the
lift
over
the
railway
line
on
the
station
platform,
but
from
memory
it
isn't
signposted.
So
maybe
that's
something
we
can
take
away
from
this.
These
comments.
C
Oh,
you
call
me,
mr,
what
can
what
mr
butler
said
is
not
quite
what
I
said.
I
think
we
ought
to
be
looking
at
that
that
cycle
access
prior
in
effect
to
the
design
construction
of
the
of
the
eastern
access,
because
that
could
be
some
time
away
and
I
think
actually
we
ought
to
be
looking
at
the
possibility,
because
it's
not
such
a
big
piece
of
work
to
get
cycles
through
there
if
the
developers
as
they
seem
to
be
willing
to
have
a
look
at
that.
C
A
I
hear
what
the
frustration
is
and
connectivity
is,
of
course,
extremely
important.
We
ourselves
are
very
keen
to
see
the
eastern
access
come
forward
because
of
those
improved
connectivity
to
to
the
east
and
and
and
to
the
abbey
grounds
and
kirkstall.
A
I
think
the
point
that's
been
made
in
the
officers
report
is
our
main
concern.
Notwithstanding,
council
michael's
points,
there
is
a.
It
is
quite
a
substantial
distance
between
the
eastern
access
junction
point
and
the
existing
river
crossing,
and
it
is
used
for
construction
both
for
compounds
and
for
deliveries,
and
we
would
be
very
concerned
about
combining
public
access
with
those
construction
entities.
A
We
are
actively
working
to
with
sustrans,
not
just
about
the
current
link
between
the
ib
grounds
and
the
a65,
but
also
what
that
future
link
might
look
like
once
the
eastern
access
road
is
available,
but
you
know
to
appropriately
surface
secure
and
light
a
cycle
way
through
a
construction
site
would
be
something
I'd
be
very
concerned
about,
but
hearing
counts
councillor
campbell's
point
about
it's
not
always
about
what
you
can't
do
it's
what
you
can
do
we're
happy
to
revisit
it.
B
E
I
I
just
wanted
to
ask
if,
when
nick
suggested,
the
sign
regarding
being
able
to
get
from
the
side
of
the
canal
over
the
footbridge,
a
sign
that
that
would
be
really
helpful,
because
I
I
do
go
walking
along
the
canal
there
and
then
come
over
the
footbridge
and
through
the
development
quite
looks.
Our
ward
is,
is
by
the
canal,
bradley
ward
and
that's
probably
false
wood.
E
Just
there
and
I
do
go
up
and
down
there
quite
a
lot
with
my
children
and
come
over
and
it
is
you
know,
people
don't
realize
that
you
can
actually
get
through
there
and
then
through
halters
wood
or
down
curtselle
road,
and
it
is
a
really
good
walk,
especially
the
moment
when
we're
not
allowed
very
far,
and
so
if
we
could
commit
to
putting
some
kind
of
signage
up,
you
know
so
people
know
that
that's
there.
I
think
that
would
you
know
as
a
until
things
move
on.
E
I
think
that
would
be
a
really
good
idea
that
people,
because
there
is
a
a
very
easy
path
to
follow
and
you're
up
by
the
canal,
and
you
can
cycle
right
into
center
of
leads
that
way.
So
I
think
if
we
could
put
a
sign
up
there,
that
would
be
really
helpful
and
would
really
help
in
the
intro.
B
B
B
B
H
Thank
you,
chair
yeah,
the
the
motion
to
our
recommendation.
Rather
to
vary,
the
conditions
has
been
agreed,
deferred
and
delegated
subject
to
the
completion
of
a
deed
of
variation
on
the
on
the
on
the
106,
and
we
will
pursue
the
obviously.
The
sign
is
that
nick
offered
and
the
further
discussions
about
whether
we
can
bring
forward
it's
all
possible
the
site
in
the
links.
Although
I
do
take
his
point
about
mixing
construction
traffic
with
with
cyclists
being
a
scientist
myself.
B
B
B
You
will
be
very,
very
sorely
missed
your
personality
and
your
jokes,
as
well
as
the
contributions
that
you
make,
will
be
very
greatly
missed
from
this
team,
and
we
know
that
we've
put
you
in
some
fairly
sticky
situations
and
we've
asked
you
to
explain
yourself
on
many
occasions
which
you've
risen
to
and,
as
I
say,
we
will
miss
you
and
I
think
it's
a
real
shame
that
we're
having
to
say
goodbye
to
you
as
a
little
square
photograph
on
a
on
the
screen.
B
It
would
have
been
much
nicer
in
person
and
we
could
have
had
cakes,
but
of
course
we
we
can't
do
that
in
this
situation.
So,
thank
you
for
all
your
years
of
service
with
us
and
all
your
support,
and
we
wish
you
the
very,
very
best
retirement
possible.
I
don't
know
whether
you'd
like
to
say
just
a
couple
of
words
about
your
intentions
or
your
feelings.
Don't
feel
obliged.
R
No,
no
thank
you
cherry.
I
must
say
it's
it.
It's
all.
I
think
it's
a
quite
a
privilege
as
an
officer
to
serve
on
panel
and
it's
something
that
I
have
enjoyed
for.
As
you
say
for
quite
a
number
of
years
and
yes,
I've
taken
all
the
jibes
that
people
like
to
throw
at
highways
and
transportation
on
my
shoulders
through
that
period
and
but
yes,
yeah,
we've
seen
some
good
good
applications
go
through
and
it
is
a
very
grounding
experience
for
officers.
R
I
think
to
to
hear
what
panels
have
to
say
and
and
take
that
back
to
the
teams
and
and
hope
that
they
can
learn
from
it.
So
yes,
so
this
is
my
last
south
and
west
panel
for
those
that
serve
on
city
centre.
I'll,
see
you
next
thursday.
B
Okay,
well,
can
we
show
our
thanks
in
the
usual
way?
Thank
you
andy
great.
Thank
you
very
much
indeed,
and
can
I
thank
everybody
for
their
attendance.
It's
been
a
long
meeting
this
afternoon
and
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
and
giving
you
judgments
and
coming
to
conclusions.