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A
Very
good
morning
to
each
and
every
one
of
you
and
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
and
welcome
to
the
September
meeting
of
the
infrastructure,
investment
and
inclusive
growth
scrutiny
board
good,
to
see
you
all
and
all
our
guests
as
well.
A
very
warm
welcome
again
to
councilor
Billy
Flynn,
who
has
been
appointed
to
this
scrutiny
board,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us.
Yes,
that's
nice
and
thank
you
to
councilor
Alderson
for
all
his
contribution
to
the
board's
work
over
the
last
few
months.
So
this
meeting
will
be
webcast.
A
The
link
to
view
that
recording
is
is
live
or
archived
format
is
on
the
meetings
web
page,
so
just
to
remind
attendees
to
kindly
mute
all
your
microphones
when
you
have
finished
speaking
so
for
the
benefit
of
the
public
and
those
watching.
The
webcast
members
would
now
be
invited
to
introduce
themselves
and
starting
with
you,
counselor
Hamilton,
good.
J
K
Ing
Sandy,
councilor
Sandy
lay
otley
and
Yeadon
wood.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
Becky
right
so
due
to
Staffing
capacity
in
our
governance
team.
Today
we
will
not
have
any
governance
officer,
so
Becky
is
going
to
be
covering
that
role.
So
please
do
bear
with
her
and
be
kind
to
her
as
well.
Okay,
so
Becky,
could
you
kindly
take
us
through
agenda
items,
one
to
five.
L
And
item
one
appeals
against
refusal
of
inspection
documents.
There
are
no
appeals
today,
items
for
exclusion
item
two:
there
are
no
items
excluded
from
the
public
domain
item
three
late
items:
there
are
no
late
items
of
business
item.
Four
Declarations
of
interest
can
I
ask
members
to
disclose
any
interest
in
accordance
with
Leed
City
council's
code
of
conduct.
L
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Becky
right
agenda
item
number
six
and
that's
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
held
on
the
19th
of
July
2023
and
we
are
meant
to
approve
as
a
correct
record
of
the
minutes.
I
will
now
invite
any
comments
on
the
minutes
from
board
members.
Any
comments,
please
from
the
minutes
of
the
19th
of
July
I.
Take
it
we're
all
happy
because
you
can't
be
reading
it
now,
yeah
excellent.
Thank
you
very
much
right.
Moving
to
agenda
item
number
seven
and
that's
our
future
Talent
Plan
update.
A
Thank
you
I
can
see
even
I
can
see.
Martin
here
is
that
that
you
Martin
yeah
I'm
gonna
put
my
glasses
on
yeah.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming.
So
just
a
brief
introduction
on
this
one,
this
item,
so
this
scrutiny
board
received
an
initial
update
on
the
development
of
the
future
Talent
plan
in
September
last
year.
So
about
12
months
ago.
This
paper
and
the
presentation
we
are
about
to
hear,
will
provide
an
update
on
the
progress
made
against
the
action
set
out
and
the
plan
over
the
last
12
months.
A
Members
who's
also
sat
on
the
board
in
the
last
Municipal
year
will
recall
the
discussion
in
March
2023
about
the
refresh
of
the
inclusive
growth
strategy.
There
are
some
very
clear
ways
in
which
this
report
links
to
the
refreshed,
inclusive
growth
strategy,
which
was
considered
by
executive
board
on
the
20th
of
September.
Becky,
therefore
circulated
those
executive
board
reports
by
way
of
context
to
this
discussion
to
each
and
every
one
of
us
last
week,
so
I
do
hope.
A
M
So
we've
prepared
some
slides
to
to
walk
through
this
morning
before
we
go
into
discussion
and
there's
a
lot
to
take
in
so
we
will
circulate
the
slides
afterwards
and
so
that
you
can
take
in
some
of
the
detail
which
we
may
spend
less
time
on
during
during
the
conversation
so
chair,
you
already
did
a
fantastic
context,
context
setting
piece
for
this
piece
of
work,
but
if
I,
just
kind
of
re
recap
for
everyone
how
the
future
Talent
plan
came
about
Becky,
are
you
driving
the
slides?
M
M
All
of
those
Trends
meant
that
we
looked
at
where
we
were
as
a
council
in
terms
of
understanding
what
we
need
to
do
on
skills
and
we
decided
we
needed
to
develop
a
future
time
plan
with
the
city
So.
The
plan
was
launched
in
September
2022
and
it
followed
a
period
where
we
had
worked
with
the
city
to
develop
that,
and
we
did
that
in
a
really
collaborative
fashion,
using
a
tool
which
was
we
work
with
a
particle
clever
together
and
we
can.
M
We
were
able
to
get
responses
from
right
across
the
city,
every
postcode
and
and
skills
providers.
So
it's
a
really
robust
plan
in
that
respect,
in
terms
of
reflecting
what
the
people
of
Leeds
feel
they
need.
The
overall
kind
of
vision
for
the
town
for
the
plan
is
around
having
a
globally
competitive
City,
where
we
work
together
across
those
boundaries
to
enable
the
right
opportunities
for
people
and
businesses
to
thrive
in
the
context
of
that
rapidly
changing
labor,
Mark
Market,
but
making
sure
that
nobody
is
Left
Behind.
M
That's
really
really
important
for
us
in
terms
of
being
able
to
be
on
that
from
for
for
delivering
inclusive
growth
and
making
sure
that
the
people
that
live
here
that
grow
up
here
or
move
here
are
able
to
play
their
full
part
in
our
economy.
So
we've
made
some
significant
progress
and
Martin's
going
to
walk
us
through
that.
Now.
N
So
I
thought
just
just
to
start
with:
it's
I
thought
it
was
important
to
set
out
the
context
in
terms
of
what
the
employment
skills
service
does
and
it's
I
suppose.
There's
a
large
extent.
It's
that
strategic
role
in
terms
of
developing
and
monitoring
and
the
the
future
Talent
plan
and
how
we
bring
the
kind
of
business,
people
and
education
together
to
make
sure
that
we
deliver
on
on
those
outcomes
in
in
that
plan.
N
But
then
there's
also
an
operational
role
in
terms
of
we
have
a
significant
delivery,
both
in
employment
support
and
in
skills
delivery,
particularly
adult
and
Community
Learning
and
those
I.
Suppose
we
focus
on
those
that
are
furthest
away
from
the
labor
market
that
need
the
support
the
most
and
there's
there's
lots
of
other
providers
in
the
city
that
do
Recruitment
and
talent
strategies,
but
where
they're
mainly
to
focus
on
the
ones
that
aren't
getting
that
support
from
the
kind
of
mainstream
provision.
N
So
we
deliver
around
3
000
people
into
work
every
year
and
it's
that's
quite
a
big
achievement,
because
it's
it's
like
that.
It's
those
people
that
really
need
more
long-term
support
and
have
and
have
bigger
barriers,
and
we
run
between
four
and
six
thousand
adult
learning
courses
depending
on
on
enrollments
and
and
how
that
happens,
and
all
that
data
is
is
in
the
pack.
So
I
won't
go
through
it.
N
But
it's
just
important
to
set
that
out
in
terms
of
that
dual
strategy:
operational
role
next
slide,
please
Becky
and
then
just
important
as
a
bill
now
to
say
that
we've
got
to
focus
in
our
priority:
Awards
and
neighborhoods.
So
we've
we
did
over
15
and
a
half
thousand
people
supported
through
over
100
events
in
the
communities
last
year,
whether
that's
small
recruitment
workshops,
we'd
down
to
things
like
Tech
and
tea.
N
N
N
So
I
just
thought
it'd
be
useful
to
set
that
out
and
then
the
next
slide
is
just
a
quick
overview
of
of
some
of
that
and
I'll
go
through
that.
As
we
start
doing
the
future
time,
Plan
update,
but
so
14
000
people
accessed
employment
skills
support
in
the
in
2022-23
three
and
a
half
thousand
people
were
given
us
a
new
scale
or
a
qualification.
Through
our
learning
program,
three
thousand
people
were
supported
into
work
over
340
employers.
N
We
worked
with
whether
that's
around
how
to
diversify
their
Workforce
or
whether
they've
got
particular
skills
challenges
that
they
can't
recruit.
For
that,
we
we
help
them
develop
that,
and
we
did
obviously
done
four
major
career
events
which
have
had
over
20
000
visitors
across
the
last
the
last
12
months
as
well,
and
there's
there's
stats
in
there
and
the
stats
at
the
end
around
the
award
breakdown
and
the
different
communities.
N
So
that's
that's
the
access
that
service,
which
we
could
spend
the
whole
meeting
on,
but
I'll
just
I'll
leave
that
for
you
to
look
out
and
come
back
to
the
questions
later
next
slide.
So
it's
this
is
not
kind
of
the
the
focus
of
what
we
do,
but
it's
become
a
big
part
of
what
we've
we
call
inform
Inspire
include.
So
how
do
you
let
people
know
what's
out
there?
What
opportunities
are
what
the
what
the
different
skills
and
jobs
they
can
access
and
they
need
are
moving
on
from
that.
N
How
do
you
inspire
them
to
do
it's?
How
do
you
show
them
real
examples
of
people
doing
those
jobs
and
the
kind
of
careers
that
they
can
have,
and
then
how
do
you
make
sure
that
everyone's
included
in
that?
So
how
do
you
tap
into
the
communities
that
really
need
that
support?
How
do
you
get
people
that
look
and
sound
like
the
people
in
those
communities
doing
those
jobs
talking
to
them
about
what
the
jobs
are
and
how
you
access
them?
N
How
do
you
bring
all
that
together
to
have
a
big
kind
of
Showcase
Event,
so
we
we've,
we
piloted
it
last
year
and
we're
building
on
it
this
year,
so
the
apprenticeship
recruitment,
Fair
we've
been
doing
that
for
a
lot
since
long
before
I
started
in
the
role
10
years
and
we
get
between
five
and
eight
thousand
has
been
building
and
that's
kind
of
the
Big
Show
piece
around
apprenticeships
and
all
the
opportunities
in
there.
But
we
needed
to
do
something
more
than
that.
N
So
I
kind
of
tried
to
build
that
with
my
team
over
the
last
year
or
two.
So
the
the
big
thing
that
we
did
was
around
a
event
called
send
next
choices,
which
is
for
kids
with
special
educational
needs.
We
kept
going
to
different
focus
groups
to
say
how
can
we
make
it
more
accessible?
How
can
we
make
it
more
inclusive
and-
and
the
answer
was
well-
you
can't
you
can't
really
when
you've
got
8
000
people
in
an
arena,
some
children
aren't
just
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
to
access
that
and
feel
comfortable.
N
So
we
we
tried
an
event
last
year,
which
was
just
focus
on
those
on
those
kids
that
have
those
barriers
and-
and
it
was
fantastic
and
we
got
amazing
feedback,
and
we
we
built
on
that
again
this
year
and
we
doubled
the
number
of
children
that
came
through
that
and
I.
Think
it's
more
around
that
it's
an
acceptance
that
everyone
there
knows
what
the
barriers
are.
So
there's.
N
No,
no
one
was
worried
about
anything,
and
people
could
just
be
themselves
and
get
get
the
information
that
they
needed
so
that
that
was
fantastic
and
we're
really
building
on
that
now.
In
terms
of
our
send
offer
to
schools
and
young
people
across
the
city,
and
then
we
do
two
events
Focus
around
digital
and
creative
skills,
because
they're,
obviously
key
growth
sectors.
N
The
digital
Tech
event
was
yesterday
and
I
know
you,
you
were
there
councilman
and
a
number
of
others
were
I've,
not
seen
the
latest
numbers,
but
we
had
five
and
a
half
thousand
young
people
booked
to
come
through
to
that,
including
quite
a
lot
of
schools
and
one
of
the
really
nice
things
I
saw
was
at
the
UTC
basic
closed
down
for
the
afternoon,
and
their
entire
student
and
staff
population
came
through
to
the
arena
to
access
the
opportunities
in
there,
and
it
was
a
really
good,
diverse
mix
of
people
and
businesses
and
some
great
conversations
that
we
had
throughout
that
and
then
we're
repeating
the
the
creative
skills
fair
in
November,
which
is
again
it's
around
the
the
amazing,
correct,
creative
and
cultural
offer.
N
So
it's
not
just
creative
jobs,
it's
creative
skills
for
for
other
sectors,
so
moving
on
to
offer
for
young
people,
so,
like
I
said
we,
we
have
a
quite
a
substantial
careers
support
program
that
we've
developed
further
to
meet
some
of
the
stuff
that
came
out
of
the
future
Talent
conversation
and
last
year
we
were
in
about
three
quarters
of
schools
offering
that
advice
and
support
with
over
9
000
students
access
in
that,
and
that
can
be
anything
from
apprenticeships
to
some
of
the
more
specialist
stuff
we
did
with
Lighthouse
For
example
around
opportunities
for
young
people
with
Autism
and
we've
we've
tried
to
build
on
that
and
we've
taken
Employers
in
we've
worked
with
companies
around.
N
So,
for
example,
we
launched
a
a
metaverse
version
of
our
careers
platform
so
that
kids
can
access
different
opportunities
in
the
in
virtual
reality,
space
and
breaks
down
some
of
that
barriers
that
some
children
might
have
around
come
into
events,
or
you
know
they
can
they
can
design
an
avatar
and
be
whoever
they
want
to
be
and
and
have
those
conversations
in
a
in
a
more
comfortable
way
that
that
was
that's
been
fantastic.
N
So
we
bring
all
the
careers
professionals
together
so
that
they
can
get
some
consistent
support
around
what's
available
and
we
can
bring
businesses
into
them
to
talk
about
the
kind
of
opportunities
that
are
there
and
we've
done
a
lot
of
that
in
terms
of
connecting
businesses
and
then
we've
supported
a
huge
number
of
programs
from
p-tech
to
leads
Unleashed
to
next-gen
Super
squads.
That'll
come
come
to
as
we
walk
through
next
slide,
please
and
then
quickly,
just
building
on
that
with
employers.
So,
like
I,
said,
we've
supported
340
employers.
N
Last
year,
we've
started
working
on
all
kinds
of
things
around
newsletters
and
information
for
them
to
access
those
kind
of
careers
information
that
they
need.
We've
plugged
them
into
schools,
we've
appointed
kind
of
reshape
the
team.
So
there's
a
skills
lead
for
each
of
those
course
actors.
So
businesses
have
a
key
person
to
contact
to
help
them
with
their
skills
needs
and
the
we
support
it
through
section,
106
and
and
social
value
outcomes.
N
I
think
that
fig
has
gone
up
to
450
people
supported
into
jobs
through
those
kind
of
planning,
applications
and
things
like
that
and
then
just
to
go
through
some
of
the
key
sectors.
So
digital's
been
quite
a
big
one
over
there.
Sorry
Becky
can
you
flick
to
the
next
slide?
Digital's
been
quite
a
big
one.
Obviously
everyone
knows
that
the
extent
of
the
digital
and
Tech
Community
and
leads
and
the
amount
of
roles
that
are
coming
through
and
the
skills
gaps
that
are
coming
through
along
alongside
that.
N
So
we've
done
a
big
piece
of
work
with
employers
and
and
the
schools
and
colleges
around
just
mapping
out
what
those
skills
needs
are
currently
and
what
we
think
future
skills
are
going
to
look
like.
So
we
can
start
bringing
young
people
into
those
roles
and
one
of
the
great
things
we
looked
at
yesterday
that
we've
that
Louise
LED
on
in
my
team
is
about
kind
of
breaking
down
some
of
those
roles.
N
So
there's
a
lot
of
tech
roles
where
you
can
look
at
it
and
I
I
wouldn't
have
a
clue
what
the
job
actually
is.
But
when
you
break
it
down
and
demystify
it,
it's
actually
quite
an
easy
job
that
young
people
could
access
and
then
convincing
young
people
that
they're
already
portraying
some
of
those
skills.
N
So
we've
done
a
huge
amount
of
kind
of
information
exceptions
to
help
demystify
that
help
link
young
people
into
those
opportunities
breaking
down
what
some
of
those
so
looking
at
the
gaming
industry
breaking
down
the
different
elements
of
that
from
illustration
to
design
to
storyboarders
and
all
the
code,
because
everyone
thinks
it's
just
coding,
but
it's
actually
a
huge
amount
of
skills
and
and
jobs
around
that
we
launched
leads
Unleashed
with
X
design,
Burberry
glean
and
Sky
last
year,
which
was
fantastic
where
over
2
000
people
went
into
those
businesses
and
kind
of
looked
into
what
it's
like
to
work.
N
N
We've
been
modifying
our
adult
skills
programs,
so
I'm,
looking
at
using
adult
skills
to
look
at
AI
skills
and
boot
camps
around
digital
and
supporting
them
into
a
range
of
different
levels,
and
then
there's
been
there's
p-tech
and
there's
growing
Talent,
digital
and
Google
tech
that
we
run
with
the
ahead
partnership
and
lots
of
other
initiatives
across
digital
that
we've
we've
kind
of
piloted
or
built
on
over
the
last
12
months.
N
They're
having
a
a
big
impact,
I
think
moving
forward
next
slide,
please
Becky
and
then
again,
we've
already
had
we've
already
always
worked
well
with
Health
and
Care,
and
the
Health
and
Care
Academy
in
particular
around
kind
of
building
on
those
employment
skills
outcomes,
and
we've
done
a
lot.
N
So
everyone
will
know
about
Lincoln,
Green
I
think
we
use
that
in
every
example,
but
we've
built
on
that
with
things
like
red
kite,
View
and
others,
where
it's
trying
to
get
more
local
people
from
in
those
areas
where
these
sites
are
based
interested
in
those
roles
and
support
them
into
it,
and
a
lot
of
that's
been
evolved
around
you
know
helping
them
with
their
maths
and
English
and
Esau
skills
so
that
they
can
access
those
Health
and
Care
Jobs,
and
we've
made
quite
a
big
progress
with
with
with
anchors
partners
and
with
the
Health
and
Care
Academy
over
the
last
12
months,
and
we've
had
over
500
people
from
those
Target
Wards
supported
into
those
NHS
jobs
or
put
on
on
Pathways
and
skills
programs
to
get
there,
which
has
been
really
really
good.
N
Next,
we've
already
ahead
of
me.
This
is
a
kind
of
a
newer
one,
because
this
is
kind
of
this
merged
out
of
the
future.
Talent
planet
is
building
on
the
success
of
digital,
but
it's
how
do
you
in
with
the
Financial
and
Professional
Services
sector?
How
do
we
try
and
build
the
same
kind
of
collaboration
that
exists
with
the
digital
sector
so
again
we're
just
starting
to
map
out
what
their
skills
needs
and
we're
working
with
some
of
the
the
bigger
kind
of
consultancies
and
accountancy
firms?
N
So
we've
been
doing
a
lot
of
Engagement
with
with
Financial
and
Professional
Services
employers
to
help
support
that
and
help
get
young
people
interested
again
and
and
break
down
those
barriers.
And
we
did
a
great
piece
of
work
with
startup
Sherpas
last
year
called
a
time
machine
report
which
is
around
what
the
future
of
financial
services
looks
like
for
young
people.
N
So
we
had
100
students
that
were
on
a
paid
work
experience
program
that
went
through
a
kind
of
innovation
boot
camp,
but
it
was
focused
history
on
financial
services
and
what
that
means
to
them
and
what
it
needs
to
look
like
in
the
future.
And
if
you
haven't
already
seen
that
we'll
share
the
report
because
there's
some
great
insights
into
what
young
people
want
from
that.
N
And
then
next
slide
is
around
green
skills
and
Net
Zero.
So
again,
we've
a
huge
pressure
over
the
last
12
months
around
getting
into
schools
and
talking
about
the
kind
of
the
jobs
that
are
coming
out
in
those
areas
and
I've
deliberately
tried
not
to
call
it
a
green
skills
plan,
because
green
skills
means
a
million
things
to
a
million
people.
But
it's
effectively,
how
do
we
get
businesses
and
people
through
to
that
journey
to
Net
Zero?
N
And
we've
done
it
again
through
adult
learning
and
through
with
businesses,
try
to
map
out
the
skills
needs
and
put
in
programs
like
carbon
literacy,
training
and
all
kinds
of
things
to
to
get
that
kind
of
where
it
needs
to
be
and
around
a
number
of
Pilots,
with
Ministry
of
justice
and
the
prison
service
around
around
different
recycling
plants,
and
we
can
get
young
people
involved
in
so
moving
on
then
so
we
always
develop
the
future
Talent
plan
as
a
kind
of
three
to
five
year
plan,
accepting
that
we
would
need
to
keep
kind
of
evolving
and
reiterating
it
as
we
walk
through.
N
So
if
you
look
on
the
website,
there's
loads
of
pledges
of
businesses
that
are
doing
things
and
the
college
have
signed
up
to
and
it
was
always
about
not
the
the
previous
plans
have
always
just
been
a
PDF
that
we
put
on
a
shelf,
and
then
people
forget
about
it-
and
this
is
this-
was
designed
to
be
agile
and
adaptive
and
constantly
evolving
so
that
Partners
take
ownership
of
it.
So
it's
not
just
a
council
plan.
It's
a
city
plan
that
everybody
works
together
to
own
and
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work.
N
I'll
pick
up
in
a
second
around
kind
of
the
data
that's
coming
out
of
that
and
how
we
can
better
use
that
data
to
make
more
informed
decisions
and
develop
better
programs
for
people
in
Leeds,
and
particularly
how
that
kind
of
people
element
of
the
inclusive
growth
strategy
kind
of
moves
forward.
Go
as
we
as
we
develop
that
further.
N
So
we
we
had
a
Stephen
group
in
place
with
the
kind
of
key
Partners
in
the
city
and
and
users
that
formed
in
January
last
year,
and
we
need
to
bring
that
back
together.
We've
been
debating
how
we
do
that
in
the
within
the
parameters,
the
inclusive
growth
strategy
and
how
we
can
take
that
to
maybe
a
bit
bigger
than
it
was
previously.
N
We'll
continue
to
kind
of
innovate
around
skills
programs,
so
we're
working
more
with
startup
Sherpas
around
some
of
the
super
scores
and
how
we
can
get
more
young
people
involved
in
that
we've
developed
a
city
blueprint
for
for
kind
of
how
we're
an
integrated
employment
skills
system
works
with
Educators
and
businesses
that
other
cities
are
starting
to
look
at
now,
which
is
really
really
interesting
and
and
quite
quite
good.
N
We're
trying
to
work
with
kind
of
networks
across
the
city,
so
black
young
professionals,
wild
getaway
girls,
to
try
and
make
sure
again
that
that
includes
me,
part
of
that
inform
Inspire
include,
is
really
focused
on
and
we're
working
on
all
kinds
of
funding
bids.
To
make
sure
that
that
we
continue
to
have
an
impact
in
the
city
and
we
can
continue
to
to
bring
Partners,
particularly
smaller
voluntary
groups
that
are
doing
great
work,
that
we
need
to
kind
of
help.
N
Now,
European
funding
is
finished,
so
we're
looking
at
UK,
SPF
and
other
things
to
to
bring
that
to
bring
that
forward
and
then
there's
some
slides
at
the
end
on
daytime
which
I'm
not
planning
to
run
through.
But
it's
more
there
for
information,
so,
like
I,
said
we're
looking
at
how
we
can
better
use
data
and
how
we
can
particularly
I
know.
N
It's
been
asked
a
few
times
how
we
can
better
follow
who's,
getting
jobs
when
employers
are
coming
into
the
city
and
how
many
recruited
locally
against
outside,
which
is
it's
not
an
easy
task,
but
we're
looking
at
how
we
can
do
it.
But
I
know,
for
example,
that
the
3
000
people
we
supported
into
work
as
a
service
last
year
were
all
from
Leeds,
because
they
they
have
to
have
at
least
postcode
to
for
our
fund
and
stream.
N
So
but
at
the
moment
that's
the
only
data
I
can
categorically
give
you
on
in
terms
of
local
people
into
jobs,
but
we're
working
on
that
and
we
still
send
out
all
the
Universal
Credit
and
and
benefit
data
to
all
members
monthly,
so
that
you've
got
a
picture
of
kind
of
where
unemployment
and
Universal
Credit
stats
are
both
city-wide
and
in
and
in
Wards,
and
that
we
can
break
that
down.
N
And
it's
and
it's
there
for
self-service.
If
anyone
wants
to
dig
in
further
and
then
we
do
a
kind
of
more
full
data
picture,
unemployment
skills
service
report
every
six
months
to
community
committees
that
delves
a
bit
deeper
into
what
we
do
as
a
service.
What
we're
planning
to
do
next
and
where
the
data
and
Trends
are
so
we're
always
happy
to
look
at
that
and
see.
If
that's
meeting
meeting
needs
and
and
I'm
conscious,
I've
talked
a
lot
so
I'm
going
to
stop
there
and
invite
questions.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
very
much
Martin
for
that
very
comprehensive
report
and
it's
very,
very
Progressive
from
looking
at
where
you're,
where
you
were
last
year,
September
and
where
we
are
now
so
before
I
open
up
to
to
board
members
I
I
do
know.
I
asked
the
question,
even
though
you
did
say
in
your
data
report,
you
that's
all
you
can.
That's
all
you
were
able
to
get
in
terms
of
the
numbers
of
Leeds
residents
who
are
who
are
being
employed
by
yourself
or
coming
into
the
city
and
getting
these
jobs.
A
I
did
ask
what
class
of
the
jobs
are.
These
people
getting
and
I
remember
asking
that
in
the
last
group,
when
there
was
a
presentation
by
yourself,
do
we
have
any
data
from
that
question.
M
No,
that's
what
Martin
was
indicating
that,
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
start
to
get
that
type
of
information,
we'll
we'll
need
to
put
Arrangements
in
place
and
then
over
time
be
able
to
tell
to
give
an
indication,
and
it
will
only
ever
be
an
indication
because
we
can
only
talk
about
people
that
come
through
some
of
our
events
and
services
to
what.
What
we
won't
be
able
to
do
is
get
a
full
complete
picture
by
organization
coming
in
of
their
employees.
M
Unless,
of
course,
you
know
that
they're
in
they're,
in
a
position
where
they're
prepared
to
kind
of
share
some
of
that
information.
But
that
would
be
quite
a
significant
undertaking.
So
I
think
Martin
timelines.
Wise
I
think
he
talks
about
maybe
towards
the
end
of
the
year.
Having
a
bit
of
an
indication.
N
Yeah
so
we're
looking
at
kind
of
December
January
to
try
and
get
as
much
of
that
information
as
we
can
and
then
and
there
are
some
employers
that
would
be
prepared
to
share
some
of
that
data
or
looking
at
how
we
can
take
a
sample
of
it
so
that
we
can
kind
of
because
I
mean
we've.
We've
looked
at
it
anyway.
So
we
know,
for
example,
that
level
four
skills
in
Leeds
is
quite
high.
N
But
what
we
don't
know
is
is
that
people
coming
in
with
the
level
four
qualification
or
is
it
people
gaining
a
level
four?
Whilst
it
leaves
so
there's
lots
of
stuff
that
we're
trying
to
to
underpin
and
we've
got
a
big
push
on
data
over
the
next
few
months,
but
hopefully
by
January
we'll
have
a
bit
better
picture.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
obviously
I'm
a
very
huge
fan,
fan
of
tech.
You
know,
and
especially
when
it
comes
to
young
people
and
where
we
are
currently.
So,
what
specific
support
are
you
giving
to
people
who
are
digitally
excluded
at
this
moment
in
time
in
our
city,
in
terms
of
you
know,
digitally
excluded
from
the
labor
market
in
terms
of
accessibility
and
of
course
we
have
language
barriers.
I
did
say
something
about.
You
know
what
you're
doing
with
people
who
are
attending
English
as
a
second
language
courses.
N
So
so,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
work,
and
so
obviously
everyone
will
be
familiar
with
the
100
digital
leads
work,
so
we
we've
worked
to
kind
of
help,
support
them
and
bring
in
some
extra
funding
through
there's
a
a
UK
SPF
program
called
multiply
that
we've
got
funding
for
that.
We've
helped
fund
the
100
digital
team
through,
but
also
we've
built
some
of
our
adult
learning
courses
around
kind
of
digital
skills,
digital
literacy
and
how
to
access
some
of
those
those
those
core
skills.
N
N
Strategy
is
to
hugely
increase
the
number
of
esol
courses
we
offer
and
we're
working
with
the
college
again
around
how
they
increase
theirs,
because
it's
always
oversubscribed
and
but
we've
we've
also
worked
over
the
last
few
years
with
esol
providers
in
the
city
to
develop
a
kind
of
core
consistent
curriculum.
So
if
people
are
coming
from
one
course
to
another
they're
all
following
the
same
pathway,
so
so
that
they're
not
kind
of
having
to
start
again
each
time
they
go
to
courses.
M
And
just
to
add
and
chair
the
other,
the
other
area,
where
we're
trying
to
kind
of
increase
our
impact
is
through
working
with
the
Leeds
anchors
Network
as
well.
M
So
some
of
the
things
that
Martin
mentioned,
particularly
around
Health
and
Care,
have
been
connected
and
had
more
impact
as
a
result
of
the
anchors
as
the
anchors
Network,
and
we
have
got
a
project
that
was
funded
through
the
health
Foundation.
Where
we've
been
doing
some
research
about
blockers
to
getting
jobs
into
those
anchor
organizations
and
often
the
kind
of
research
is
pulling
back
exactly
the
issue.
You're
raising
around
saying
I.
H
You
mentioned
that
you
had
20
000
visitors
to
the
arena
and
I
just
wondered
if
it
was
possible
to
extrapolate
from
that
how
many
of
the
young
people
visiting
it
that
actually
got
jobs
as
a
result
of
it
and
secondly,
on
page
14
of
the
papers.
One
of
the
bullet
points.
H
We
will
encourage
people
who
have
been
economically
inactive
back
into
the
workplace.
I
just
wondered
how
you
intended
to
do
that
and-
and
the
last
question
actually
was
a
young
person
at
the
age
of
18.
Let's
say
the
unused
to
going
to
work
for
obvious
reasons,
and
they
need
to
be
subsumed
into
the
ethos
of
the
company
and
taught
the
skills,
the
social
skills
and
how
to
carry
on
at
work.
And
this
to
me
means
that
you
can't
say
to
them.
H
Well,
it
pays
a
laptop
go
and
work
from
your
bedroom.
Obviously
not
they
have
to
be
in
the
company
in
the
workforce.
Properly
and
I.
Just
wondered
whether
the
city
council
is
giving
a
lead
on
this
in
terms
of
reducing
the
numbers
or
proportion
of
working
from
home.
N
Yeah,
so
the
the
in
terms
of
the
visitors
to
the
Arenas
into
work.
It's
a
that's,
it's
quite
difficult,
so
we've
got
numbers
that
I
can
share
in
terms
of
people
that
we
know
have
come
through.
So
we
know
that
last
year's
digital
there
was
around
200
direct
jobs
that
were
appointed
as
part
of
it.
But
I
suppose.
One
of
the
emphasis
of
those
events
is
more
around
giving
young
people
the
information
about.
So
some
of
them
won't
be
in
a
position
to
apply
for
a
job.
N
Yet
they
might
be
a
few
months
into
a
college
course
and
it's
around
opening
at
those
opportunities
and
inspiring
them
to
to
think
about
those
as
a
career
when
they're
making
the
next
choices.
So
we've
got
lots
of
information
around
kind
of
what
is
meant
to
them
in
terms
of
their
decision
making
or
what
opportunities
opened
up
to
them,
and
but
so
it's
not
always
about
just
getting
them
into
work.
But
I
can
we've.
N
We've
got
an
evaluation
of
each
of
the
four
events
I'm
happy
to
to
share
that
so
that
you
can
look
in
in
more
detail.
But
so
we
do
have
the
data,
but
it's
not
it's
not
as
high
as
20
000,
because
it's
primarily
about
information,
awareness
and
raise
and
and
the
second
question
in
terms
of
it.
So
we
do.
We
do
work
with
employers
around
kind
of
breaking
down
barriers
and
how
we
get
people
back
into
work
and
so
a
lot
of
it's
around.
N
For
example,
we've
done
work
around
our
healthy
workplaces,
which
is
around
getting
people
who
might
have
barriers
for
health
related
barriers.
We
run
mental
health
programs
and
physical
health
programs,
so
they
might
be
economically
inactive
because
of
those
Health
barriers
they
face.
N
So
it's
not
it's
a
longer
Journey
for
them,
but
we're
putting
those
those
things
in
place
with
organizations
like
Barca
and
others
to
to
give
them
the
support
they
need,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
when
we
made
a
conscious
effort
to
to
look
at
funding
for
to
deliver,
Services
ourselves
is
around.
You
know
not
not,
there's
a
for
rather
a
better
phrase,
not
going
after
the
people
who
are
easy
to
get
into
work.
N
It's
around
working
with
the
ones
that
other
organizations
might
not
want
because
they
get
paid
the
same,
whether
it
takes
them
two
years
or
six
months
to
get
them
into
work
and
they're
all
about
program
grams
are
about
the
ones
with
significant
barriers
who
really
need
that
support.
So
there's
a
lot
of
economically
inactive
people
that
we've
supported
through
mental
health
programs,
physical
health
programs
and
also
the
work
we've
done
with
young
people
with
special
educational
needs
around.
N
You
know,
there's
some
amazing
careers
for
those
people
for
those
people
with
those
barriers
in
in
particularly
in
the
digital
and
tax,
active
and
creative
Industries,
and
is
breaking
down
some
of
those
perceptions
and
barriers
and
helping
and
helping
those
in
and
and
also
a
lot
of,
it's
around
people
who
might
have
been
displaced
through
covid
and
been
economically
and
active
and
supporting
those
back
into
work.
So
again,
we've
got
lots
of
evaluation
around.
You
know
who
those
people
are
and
what
their
barriers
are,
that
we
I'd
be
happy
to
share.
M
There's
there
is
also
more
potential
in
the
in
the
leads
anchors,
nowhere
to
do
more
as
well
so
I
think
as
we
go
forwards
into
the
coming
years,
if
you're
looking
at
what
you
know
where
we
can
build
on
some
of
this,
and
so
just
on
your
on
your
final
question,
counselor
is
it's
not
in
our
in
our
remit
in
City
development
comment
on
the
council's
policy
around
working
from
home
and
how
how
how
those
decisions
are
made.
M
However,
what
I
would
say
is
that
wherever
we
have
young
people
that
come
into
our
service
area,
we
work
very
or
anyone
new
coming
to
our
service
area.
We
work
very
closely
with
them
to
make
sure
that
they
get
a
great
experience.
Embedded
in
we've
been
very
successful
at
it.
We
pioneered
the
Kickstart
scheme
in
the
council
through
employment
skills
and
culture
and
economy
and
I'm
really
proud
to
say,
there's
a
number
of
young
people
who
came
through
that
scheme
who
have
gone
on
in
accounts
to
be
very
successful
already.
M
One
was
delighted
to
let
me
know
just
last
week
that
she'd
secured
position
in
our
culture
team
having
been
in
Martin's
team
for
a
period
of
time
and
completing
an
apprenticeship,
so
we're
really
proud
of
our
kind
of
record
of
kind
of
leading
the
way
in
the
council
and
showing
how
that
can
be
done.
Foreign.
K
Thank
you
chair
good
morning
and
thank
you
for
a
very
informative
report
and
slides
a
couple
of
questions,
really
three
questions,
but
can
I.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
for
the
clear
effort
you're
making
in
prioritizing
young
people
with
send
in
their
life.
K
We
are
a
city,
but
that
that
believes
every
child
matters.
Every
young
child
young
person
matters.
So
it's
really
good
to
see
that
we're
doing
as
much
as
and
I'm
sure,
there's
more
that
can
be
done,
but
that
we
are
doing
everything
to
support
our
send
young
people.
K
Secondly,
at
the
other
end
of
the
Spectrum
last
year,
I
think
I
raised
about
the
my
concerns
that
the
future
Talent
plan
very
simply
appears
to
be
a
a
plan
for
young
people.
There
is
some
evidence
of
some
adult
literacy
classes
being
offered.
K
Etc
I
wondered
whether
in
future
iterations,
this
should
be
called
something
like
everybody's
Talent
plan,
because
we
know
that
there
has
been
a
lot
of
over
50s
lead
the
working
work
force
since
covert
and
the
pandemic,
and
we
know
we're
going
to
need
some
of
those
older
citizens
to
come
back
into
the
workforce
as
most
of
us
get
into
our
retirement
and
they're,
a
younger,
less
young
people
to
provide
all
of
the
services
that
we
all
old
buggers
want
in
our
old
age
and
find
oh
and
also
could
I
ask
about
the
boot
camp
just
out
of
Interest
really
what
is
the
boot
camp?
K
And
my
final
question?
Oh
sorry,
Sharon.
K
My
second
question
is:
there's
a
lot
around
Tech
and
a
lot
around
finance
and
a
lot
around
Professional
Services.
There
is
a
small
section
that
talks
about
an
innovate,
UK
bid
around
the
College
of
building
and
a
construction
and
retrofit
forum.
K
Not
everybody
is
academic,
as
we
all
know
not.
Everybody
is
able
to
work
with
their
literacy
and
numeracy,
but
many
many
skilled
or
talented
young
people
and
older
people
are
able
to
work
with
their
hands.
What
are
we
doing
to
support
those
young
people.
A
B
Oh
I,
don't
need
to
ask
that
question
chair,
but
I've
got
a
another
question
with
regards
to
the
fair
that
you
have
when
you
get
well
over
8
000
and
106
employers
does
that
include
other
employees
such
as
British
Airways,
and
you
know
other
larger,
rather
than
just
leads,
because
they
they
do
apprenticeships,
where
those
who
are
doing
the
A
Levels
rather
than
going
on
to
University
they.
B
E
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
the
very
brief
report,
a
couple
of
points
to
yes,
you
are
saying
in
the
schools
you're
working
here,
but
is
that
across
the
city,
if
we
can
get
a
report
in
the
future,
you
know
especially
the
children
who
are
not
achieving
a
good
result
in
the
schools
and
how
close
you
are
working
with
the
schools
and
from
the
school
stage.
They.
E
You
know,
you
point
the
young
people
onto
the
like
apprenticeships
or
any
other
jobs
directly
with
the
schools
and
also
are
you
working
with
any
local
community
group
who
engaging
young
children.
E
Right
because
in
my
world
it
isn't
called
a
junior
sporty
engaging
a
lot
of
Youth
off
the
street,
but
they're
not
with
Alicia
councils
like
volunteers
right
and
they
get
a
lot
of
sports
from
the
world
counselors
to
run
the
sessions
and
there
are
different
different
age.
They
actually
16,
plus
18
plus
and
obviously
to
me,
I'm,
not
going
to
say
it
to
every
single
child,
but
they
are
quite
fused
under
the
achievement
of
the
educations.
I
Yeah
I'll
keep
it
as
simple
as
I.
Can
presentation
really
enjoyed
it
actually,
all
apart
from
the
inclusive
growth
element
which
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
I
think
people
know
I
feel
about
that.
What
I
wanted
to
ask
relates
to
attitudes
towards
University
education
now,
and
are
you
seeing
a
change
in
Attitude
from
employees?
I
A
J
Thank
you
just
a
couple
of
things
really
around
the
risks
to
the
to
the
project,
and
thanks
very
much
indeed
Martin
and
Eve
for
the
for
the
presentation.
J
J
J
Whatever
that
might
be,
may
not
necessarily
be
employed,
maybe
further
training
or
whatever,
particularly
with
people
with
the
special
educational
needs
and
finally,
I.T
I-
think
there's
an
assumption
by
our
esteemed
I.T
colleagues,
who
are
very
expert
in
it.
That
people
know
a
lot
more
about
I.T
than
they
actually
do.
J
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
Flynn
and
the
last
question
is
just
reference
to
in
your
report.
You've
made
references
to
the
employment
and
skills
demand
from
the
transition
to
Net
Zero.
So
what
I
would
like
to
ask
in
that
on
that
item
is:
are
we
anticipating
any
change
in
those
demands
following
the
government
announcements
on
net
zero
this
week
and
then
we'll
call
this
agenda?
Bring
that
to
Iraq
thanks
over
to
you.
M
Great
right,
we'll
we'll
do
our
best
to
answer
everyone's
questions,
so
starting
with
councilor
lay,
so
the
future
talent
doesn't
just
apply
to
young
people,
the
type
the
the
title.
M
What
we
try
to
convey
and
what
came
across
in
the
consultation
is
that
the
economy
is
changing
so
quickly
that
actually,
the
existing
Workforce
needs
to
be
kept
up
to
date
on
all
of
its
skills
as
well,
and
employers
demands
are
changing
and
that's
why
we
developed
this
agile
approach,
saying
we've
got
to
be
really
clear
and
talk
to
the
skills
providers
about
what's
necessary.
M
Now,
something
we
haven't
touched
on
today,
but
happily
we'll
talk
more
about
another
time
is
that
the
universities
are
very
much
looking
at
changing
some
of
their
offer
so
that
they
are
not
just
known
for
delivering
undergraduate
degrees
and
Masters,
but
also
able
to
supply
courses
to
employers
over
time
to
keep
them
up
to
speed.
I
think
what
I
would
say,
however,
is
a
lot.
The
funding
that
comes
for
delivery
skills
support
is
targeted
at
young
people
and
so
therefore,
a
lot
of
our
interventions
end
up
being
focused
in
that
in
that
route.
M
So
that's
why
you'll
see
a
lot
of
activity
in
that
way.
That's
a
result
of
the
constraints
around
around
the
funding
you
asked
about
a
boot
camp,
so
essentially,
boot
camp
is
a
word
for
a
kind
of
skills
provision
which
will
take
place
in
say
a
12-week
window.
M
12
weeks
they
have
got
a
skill
set
that
an
employer
will
take
in
at
an
entry
level
and
so
a
good
example
of
an
organization
that
does
that
is
North
code.
Is
your
very
well
established
in
Leeds
and
we're
at
the
digital
careers
event
yesterday
and
proved
very
popular
for
a
lot
of
people.
I
spoke
to
who
already
got
a
job?
Who
want
to
do
that
switch
so
those
you
know
older
people,
not
necessarily
old,
but
older.
You
know
in
their
30s.
M
Perhaps
thinking
I'd
quite
like
to
do
something
do
something
else,
so
that
that's
what
we
mean
by
boot
camp
I'll.
Let
Martin
just
comment
on
the
point
about
work
with
the
College
of
building
and
people
who
have
more
practical
skills.
Martin.
If
you
can
take
that
one.
N
Yeah
so
I
think
quite
a
lot
of
the
programs
we've
run
are
actually
not
what
you
would
call
traditional
academic
stuff.
So
there's
a
lot
of
kind
of
Hands-On
apprenticeships,
particularly
with
the
College
of
building,
but
also
with
lead,
City
College
and
some
of
the
other
providers
as
well.
So
it's
it's!
It's
not
I
hope
we
haven't
given
the
impression
it's
just
that
those
kinds
of
roles
is
very
much
retrofitting
and
and
traditional
kind
of
apprenticeships
around.
You
know
plumbing
and
like
electric
electricians
and
things
as
well.
N
So
that
is
quite
a
big
Focus,
the
just
on
the
send
thing
it.
We
have
really
tried
hard
to
make
a
big
big
push
around
that
this
year
and
we've
made
a
big
effort
around
supported
internships
and
we've
got
a
leads.
Inclusive
employers
Network,
which
the
next
meeting
is
on
the
17th
of
October,
if
anyone's
interested
in
dialing.
In
for
that
one
I'll
send
you
the
link.
M
Great
then
Council
Hamilton's
question.
Yes,
we
do
have
National
employees
that
come
to
the
apprenticeship
festival
at
the
arena
and
and
the
other
events,
so,
for
example,
BAE
systems
were
at
the
event
yesterday
and
got
large
employers
like
pricewaterhousecoopers
attends,
the
apprenticeship
Festival.
M
So
absolutely
National
employers
who
have
a
base
in
Leeds
that
have
those
opportunities
for
apprenticeships,
for
our
for
our
young
people
here
do
participate
in
that
councilor
Hussein
asked
about
what
we
do
with
young
people,
so
bear
in
mind
that
sort
of
some
we
work
very
closely
with
Children
Services,
but
some
of
these
responsibility
to
sit
with
them,
brothers
and
so
Martin.
Maybe
you
can
just
comment
on
how
we
work
with
children's
on
that
area.
N
Yeah,
so
we
very
much
do
work
with
local
community
groups
and
and
third
sector
organizations
on
the
ground
and
that's
part
of
how
we
build
it
up,
because
they've
already
got
access
and
and
kind
of
I
hate
the
phrase
how
to
reach
is
not
there's
nobody's
out
to
reaching
us
just
not
trying
hard
enough.
If
you
go
to
the
right,
Community
groups
they'll
already
be
talking
to
the
young
people
and
and
older
people
that
we
need
to
work
with
so
yeah.
M
And
I
have
to
say:
Martin's
team
are
outstanding
at
this
having
been
to
the
digital
careers
Festival
yesterday
it
it
was
very
evident
how
diverse
the
audience
was,
just
by
being
in
the
room
for
half
an
hour,
and
you
do
not
get
that
at
digital
events
in
the
city
elsewhere
we
have
some
exemplary
officers
working
in
his
team,
so
councilor
Foster.
You
asked
the
question
about
attitudes
to
University
education
and
apprenticeships.
M
N
Yeah
I
think
it's
it's
very
much
a
kind
of
balanced
approach,
because
also
the
universities
have
started
offering
degree,
apprenticeships
and
and
different
technical
qualifications
as
well,
so
I
think,
there's
still
quite
a
big
Market
within
the
same
employers
for
people
at
all
different
entry
level
routes
all
the
way
through
to
graduate.
So
it's
not
there's
no
evidence
that
people
are
looking
for
graduates.
Less
I
think
that
they're
opening
up
what
used
to
be
traditional
graduate
schemes
to
people
with
level
level,
five
and
level
six
apprenticeships
as
well.
So
it's
a
more
diverse
offer.
M
And
councilor
Flynn,
you
asked
a
couple
of
questions,
one
perhaps
for
more
of
a
delve
into
another
time,
which
was
just
the
real
I
suppose
the
relationship
between
employers
and
the
labor
market
in
a
way.
So
it's
a
bit,
it
is
a
bit
of
a
kind
of
too
it's
two
parts
of
the
same
coin.
So
employers
choose
leads
because
they
have
confidence
in
the
labor
market
and
when
we're
doing
a
normal
investment
kind
of
discussions,
we
very
much
talk
about
the
future
talent
and
the
work.
M
The
fact
we
have
six
universities
that
we
do
it
leads
to
college.
It's
a
massive
strength
for
using
leads
that
we
have
not
just
young
people
that
grow
up
here
and
stay
here.
Also,
people
come
that
come
to
University
here
and
then
stay
here
to
become
part
of
our
Workforce.
So
it's
really
important
that
that
skills
side
is
strong
to
make
sure
employers
are
choosing
leads
to
found
their
business
and
to
stay
here
as
they
grow
and
not
go
elsewhere,
because
they
can't
get
the
talent
that
they
need.
M
I
think
the
reason
why
you
see
do
see
you
focus
on
those
particular
sectors
of
digital
finance
and
Professional,
Services
and
green
is
because
that's
where
the
growth
is
in
the
economy
and
the
change.
So
we
really
need
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
making
sure
that
if
jobs
are
disappearing
elsewhere
with
the
economy
because
of
the
change
that
people
can
resched
and
move
into
those
spaces,
that's
that's
a
kind
of
a
high
level,
slightly
simplistic
answer
to
your
question,
which
I
think
probably
deserves
more
discussion.
M
Another
time
the
question
the
point
about
it
absolutely
I
think
again
the
work
we
do
on
digital
schools.
It's
not
just
about
saying
to
people.
There
are
jobs
in
digital
businesses
and
digital
specific
jobs,
we're
very
mindful
that
digital
now
underpins
the
economy.
So
anyone
in
any
sector
has
to
have
a
basic
level
of
digital
skills.
M
You
know
you
need
to
be
able
to,
in
retail,
be
able
to
use
the
iPad.
That's
given
to
you,
as
somebody
in
that
store
to
be
able
to
access
and
order
things
for
a
customer
in
front
of
you,
and
you
need
to
be
able
to
understand
data
around
Supply
chains.
M
Etc,
that's
presented
presented
to
you
so
when
we're
thinking
about
digital
skills,
we're
not
just
thinking
about
digital
jobs,
we're
thinking
about
making
sure
that
people
that
are
building
their
skills
in
other
areas
also
have
basic
digital
skills
and
happily
come
back
to
kind
of,
maybe
explore
some
of
that
a
bit
more
and
and
then
chair.
You
asked
about
green.
You
know
the
the
green
economy
and
the
recent
policy
decisions,
and
would
that
have
an
impact.
M
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
really
like
to
do
and
are
talking
to
the
other
rankers
in
the
city
about,
is
giving
certainty
to
our
skills
providers
about
the
demand
we're
going
to
create
in
projects
that
we'll
be
living
at
a
zero.
So
to
be
able
to
add
up
all
the
things
that
the
14
organizations
are
doing
in
terms
of
you
know
whether
that's
retrofit
heat
pump,
you
know
new
buildings
with
new
standards
to
then
the
College
of
building
and
all
those
kind
of
real
confidence
say
to
parents.
M
There's
going
to
be
a
job
for
your
you
know,
son
or
daughter
or
or
if
someone's
reskilling
there's
a
job
for
you.
If
you
invest
in
re-skilling,
because
you
can
show
the
demand,
Pipeline
and
so
I
suppose
my
comment
or
observation
would
be
the
more
you
can
show
the
demand
pipeline
the
easier
it
is
for
skills
providers
to
commit.
So
it's
all
related
and
Martin
may
want
to
add
on
that
point
about
Net
Zero
as
well
before
we
wrap
up.
N
No
I
was
just
going
to
say
other
than
the
the
things
that
are
in
training
with
us
or
aware
funding's
already
available.
So
we'll
we'll
continue
to
happen
and
we'll
we'll
review
that
as
as
we
go
through,
but
a
lot
of
the
demand
and
funding
is
coming
from
the
private
sector
rather
than
public
sector
at
the
moment.
So
I
don't
expect
that
to
Fall
Away.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
to
Eve
and
to
Martin
members.
The
future
Talent
program
is
about
three
to
five
times
three
to
five
years
time
frame.
So
would
we
ask
for
an
annual
update,
just
not
if
you're
happy
with
that
and
if
there
are
any
specifics
from
the
report
that
you
would
like
us
to
dive
more
into
because
of
timing?
I
will
not
ask
for
them
now.
If
you
could
just
pop
that
through
an
email
to
my
self
and
Becky,
and
then
we
would
relate
that
back
to
the
team.
A
A
J
A
Welcome
back
everyone,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
I
have
to
say
thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
Hayden
for
all
your
patience
is
that
they're,
nice
and
quiet
all
through.
So
thank
you
very
much
right.
So
we're
now
on
agenda
item
number
eight,
which
is
lead
safe
roads,
Vision,
zero,
2040
annual
report.
A
Just
for
just
a
quick
introduction
introduction.
This
community
board
has
a
long-standing
interest
in
the
numbers
of
those
killed
and
seriously
injured
on
Leeds
Road
as
a
minimum.
We
receive
updates
twice
a
year
on
KSI
figures
as
part
of
our
performance
monitoring.
However,
following
2021
and
2022
scrutiny,
board
inquiry
inquiry
into
the
prevention
of
deaths
and
serious
injuries
on
these
roads,
members
also
committed
to
receive
an
annual
update
on
progress
towards
Vision
zero
for
any
member
of
the
public.
Who
may
be
watching
the
webcast.
A
The
report
also
includes
specific
updates
on
the
recommendations
made
by
the
scrutiny
board
in
April
of
2022,
and
that's
in
your
pack
on
page
35.
before
we
begin
I
want
to
remind
members
about
the
importance
of
language
when
dealing
with
this
topic.
The
scrutiny
inquiry
highlighted
the
importance
of
avoiding
the
term
accident
and
that's
to
myself
too.
We
tend
to
use
that
word
very
often,
but
we
are
choosing
not
to
use
the
term
accident
to
describe
road
traffic
collisions
so
that
we
are
always
clear
about
the
course
of
collisions
and
their
human
costs.
A
So
could
I
ask
members
to
be
very
mindful
during
this
debate
about
using
the
word
accident.
We
would
use
the
word
Collision
instead,
if
that's
okay,
members
can
I
get
a
smile
and
a
nod
please.
Thank
you
very
much.
Excellent
I
will
now
invite
members
to
introduce
themselves
councilor
Hayden,
starting
with
yourself,
and
if
you
can
introduce
everyone
that
we
have
here,
I
can
see.
We've
got
the
police
as
well
looking
very
smart
in
their
uniforms.
P
Thank
you
and
I'll.
Get
it
right
this
time
and
not
do
my
introduction
too
early.
My
name's
councilor
Helen
Hayden
I
am
the
executive
member
for
sustainable
development
and
infrastructure
and
I'll
allow
people
to
introduce
themselves,
but
just
to
say,
I'm
incredibly
proud
of
this
team
and
the
partnership
working
as
well.
So
should
we
start.
R
L
Yeah
morning,
chair
superintendent,
sarath
homepage,
I
superintendent,
for
Operational
Support
in
Westfield,
West,
Yorkshire
police,
with
responsibility
for
roads,
policing,
operational,
lead.
S
V
Good
morning
everybody,
my
name
is
Ian
Greenwood
I'm,
a
volunteer
and
I
am
a
road
safety
campaigner
I
also
sit
on
the
West
Yorkshire
Vision
zero
board.
I'm.
Very
pleased
that
you
inviting
me
today.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
all
very
much
and
great
to
see
you
Ian.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
and
thank
you
to
the
West
Yorkshire
police
team
as
well,
who
are
all
here
in
great
numbers
just
to
also
let
you
know
board
members.
We've
got
Neil
Hudson
with
us
today,
representing
Alison
Lowe
and
just
to
let
you
also
know
that
Neil
is
new
to
the
job.
So
when
asking
questions,
don't
ask
questions
from
1900
just
be
kind
to
him.
Okay
right!
So
thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
Hayden
over
to
you.
P
Thank
you.
It's
my
absolute
pleasure
and
I'm
really
proud
to
present
the
this
first
annual
report,
I
suppose
of
the
vision,
zero
partnership
and
and
the
work
that's
been
going
on
in
Leeds.
P
So
it
was
a
year
ago
that
we
launched
Vision
zero
officially
and
there's
an
awful
lot
of
work
that
it
continues
to
go
on
and
has
has
started
since
then
and
I.
Think
it's
it's.
In
my
view.
P
It's
a
comprehensive
report
and
I
love
the
fact
that
it
goes
from
the
smallest
people
who
live
in
Leeds
with
Casa
car
seat
safety,
fitting
and
making
sure
that
our
most
vulnerable
babies
and
young
children
are
protected
when
they're
traveling
in
cars
right
through
to
children
at
primary
school,
with
a
scooter,
scootability
and
bikeability,
and
their
training
on
road
safety
and
through
and
put
the
older
year
groups
with
their
safety
training
on
bikes,
Etc
to
the
16
to
24
age
range,
who
are
our
most
vulnerable
in
terms
of
using
the
roles
in
terms
of
driver
and
and
collisions
and
right
through
to
people
who
are
more
elderly
and
maybe
need
more
advice
and
and
guidance
when
it
comes
to
when
it
comes
to
driving
and
using
the
road
safe
safely.
P
So
I
hope
that
they
gave.
You
know
it's
just
a
snapshot
really,
although
it's
a
contentious
report
of
the
huge
amount
of
work
from
influencing
Behavior
to
the
traffic
engineering
side
and
I'm
really
proud
that
over
the
last
year,
that
really
down
to
to
Nick
really-
and
it
was
in
Partnership.
P
But
I
have
to
have
to
say
that
Nick
was
the
driving
force
and
he
took
on
an
awful
lot
of
the
work
himself
in
terms
of
getting
the
rules
changed
and
the
guidance
changed
for
average
speed
cameras
at
which
we've
been
able
to
install
on
a
couple
of
key
corridors
in
Leeds,
where
you
know
there
have
been
some
awful
collisions
in
the
past
and
the
numbers
of
firm,
so
I'd
like
to
thank
him
for
that
and
and
that
will
be
rolled
out
across
the
city
and
where
it
is
where
it
is
suitable.
P
The
numbers
of
collisions
are
High
and
higher
than
anybody
would
want
them.
That
is
reflective
of
the
national
picture.
You
know
we
are
determined
and
committed
to
working
really
hard
in
Leeds
to
make
sure
that
those
numbers
of
collisions
come
down
every
Collision.
Every
casualty
is
a
person
who
has
friends
and
family
who
love
them
and
who
are
adversely
affected
by
by
that
incident
and
no
matter
how
mine
are
our
major
that
doesn't
matter
you
know
it
is,
can
be
a
life-changing.
P
Well
it
they
all
are
life-changing
events
in
terms
of
those
incidents.
So,
yes,
that's
that
my
introduction
and
I
don't
know
whether
Gary
want
to
say
anything.
Q
Thank
you,
councilor
Hayden,
so
just
in
responding
well
trying
not
to
cover
the
same
points
that
you
did
share
and
what
council
Hayden
has
just
said,
I
think
it's
worth
just
reiterating.
Why
we're
here
yeah
we
have
an
ambition
to
not
have
anybody
killed
and
seriously
injured
on
our
roads
by
2040,
and
the
reason
that
has
been
set
is
because,
on
average,
each
month
last
year,
46
people
were
killed
and
seriously
injured
on
leeds's
roads
46
each
month
on
average.
Q
That
is
far
too
many.
It's
unacceptable
and
despite
the
best
efforts
of
work,
that's
been
done
by
numerous
authorities
and
agents
over
time.
The
reason
we're
here
is
because
that
number
was
not
coming
down,
and
so
we
have
to
change
the
way.
We
look
at
this
area
of
work
and
do
things
slightly
different,
maybe
very
differently
to
make
sure
we
can
have
an
impact
here.
Q
So,
if
you
think
of
the
personal
tragedies
that
sit
behind
that,
that's,
why
we're
here
today,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
report
in
any
detail.
Just
because
it's
a
lengthy,
comprehensive
reports,
counselor
Hayden,
says,
but
it
hope
it.
Q
So,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
terminology
in
here
around
the
different
meetings
and
subgroups
that
have
been
set
up,
but
we
thought
that
was
really
important
to
because
it's
such
a
vast
area
of
work
to
enable
those
groups
to
get
on
and
do
their
work
and
report
back
ultimately
to
the
vision.
Zero
board,
which
is
I,
think,
as
you
alluded
to
is,
is
chaired
by
Deputy,
Mayor,
Alison,
Lowe
and
and
is
attended
by
very
senior
politicians.
Q
Leaders
even
and
clearly,
councilor
Hayden
is
on
it
as
well,
and
Senior
officers
too,
which
give
the
Strategic
direction
to
to
us
all.
The
report
also
sets
out
some
of
the
work.
That's
been
done
and
again
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
it
all.
Q
Q
4-2
Fatal
Five
in
terms
of
how
we
address
road
safety
issues
and
I
can
explain
that
if,
if
further,
if
need
be
so
for
me,
sort
of
in
summary,
this
is
about
spreading
the
word
getting
people
to
engage
in
Vision
zero
across
the
city
in
West
Yorkshire
and
to
respond
to
it
and
to
develop
their
own
action
plans
to
it.
Q
Q
We
we
need
to
be
talking
more
to
the
health
and
well-being
board.
For
example,
we
colleagues
have
been
to
the
community
committees
and
I
think
those
presentations
have
gone
down
well,
but
there's
a
lot
more.
That
can
be
done
and
we
need
to
think
this
is
a
live
conversation
around
drug
and
drink
testing
within
the
council
for
people
who
drive
around
the
city.
This
is
what
our
contractors
and
our
Consultants
do
on
a
regular
basis,
and
we
need
to
follow
their
example
and
extend
those
modus
operandi
to
others
as
well.
Q
So
as
councilor
Hayden
final
comment,
I
think.
Hopefully,
the
report
gives
you
a
flavor
that
a
lot
has
been
done
over
the
last
12
months,
but
there's
a
lot
more.
That
needs
to
be
done
and
around
this
table
you
have
very
enthusiastic,
passionate
people
about
this
agenda,
who
want
to
see
a
delivery,
but
there's
a
long
way
to
go
to
meet
the
ambition
that's
been
set.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
I'm
councilor
Hayden
and
thank
you
very
much
Gary
like
I
mentioned
earlier.
This
is
an
agenda,
that's
very
close
to
our
hearts
on
this
board.
So
we
are
now
open
to
questions
comments.
Discussions
from
board
members,
but
I
would
like
to
start
with
Neil
I
do
know.
I
said,
let's
be
kind
to
him,
but
I
will
throw
the
first
question
at
you
Neil
in
terms
of
the
public
consultation
that
wika
has
had
on
this
strategy.
A
So
I
just
want
to
ask
if
you've
got
an
update
for
us
in
terms
of
feedback
from
the
from
the
public
consultation
you've
had
on
this
agenda.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you
chair,
so,
in
relation
to
the
consultation
just
to
be
clear
with
regard
to
the
strategy,
the
consultation
that
has
been
put
forward
by
the
combined
Authority
is
for
the
West
Yorkshire
strategy,
rather
than
just
the
lead
strategy,
and
so
we'll
talk
on
that
level.
So
we
have
put
a
public
consultation
survey
out
which
closed
on
the
4th
of
September.
There
were
1165
responses
to
that
public
consultation.
O
We
are
currently
working
through
the
analysis
of
the
the
responses
that
have
come
through
and
the
next
stage
will
be
that
we've
got
a
further
event
which
is
planned
for
the
30th
of
October,
where
we
can
bring
together
Partners
to
work
through
the
consultation
in
terms
of
what
the
public
have
said,
working
on
the
five
pillars
of
vision,
zero.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
board
members
just
to
let
you
know
that's
in
reference
to
the
time
frames
for
development
from
weika.
So
that's
in
on
in
your
pack,
page
25,
so
paragraphs,
eight
and
nine
to
what
Neil
has
just
said.
Okay,
questions
from
Members
Isaac
did
you
want
to
go.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
really
useful
report
and
also
want
to
say
thanks
to
Rosie
Rebel
and
her
teammate
Chris
Kirby,
who
came
to
our
community
committee
and
did
a
really
good
talk
on
this.
We
had
a
really
rich
conversation
with
local
residents
about
Road
Safety
did
I,
hear
you
right
as
46,
killed
or
seriously
injured
or
on
the
roads
every
month
for
Leeds.
It's
a
really
really
startling
statistic:
I
was
surprised
by
by
that
I
think
as
well.
C
What's
not
captured
in
that
is
all
of
the
near
misses
and
the
bumps
and
myself
and
my
partner
and
lots
of
people
I
know
don't
report.
You
know
those
kind
of
things
they
happen
every
day
and
those
a
imply
that
are
serious
incident
could
have
happened
and
and
B
make
people
you
know
less
likely
to
walk
or
cycle
or
travel
in.
That
kind
of
way
has
a
sort
of
chilling
effect.
C
C
A
huge
part
of
this
is
speeding
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
recently
about
roads
that
are
currently
30
miles
per
hour,
which
we,
as
councilors
believe,
should
be
20
miles
per
hour
because
of
the
you
know,
much
smaller
likelihood
that
that
will,
if
someone's
hit
a
20,
that
it
will
result
in
a
serious
injury
or
death,
but
something
that
comes
up
is
is
people
will
say
well,
for
example,
in
my
ward,
you've
got
Grove,
Lane
and
Shoreline
both
long
roads
that
come
off
a
main
road
and
roads
that
I
think
people
there's
an
idea
that
people
want
to
speed
down
those
roads
because
they're
they
are
long
and
straight,
and
they
can
pick
up
some
speed
there.
C
If
we
move
those
roads
from
a
30
to
a
20.
Is
there
evidence
that
that
would
then
actually
that
more
people
would
actually
meet
that
speed
limit?
Because
we've
been
told
that
you
know
people
weren't
necessarily
keep
to
that
new
speed
limit
and
I'd
like
to
know
what
is
the
effectiveness
of
Simply,
reducing,
even
perhaps
without
enforcement,
simply
reducing
the
speed
limit
to
20..
C
It
seems
to
me
that
looking
at
what's
been
done
in
Wales
recently,
there's
already
been
some
quite
good
reporting
around
just
by
default.
Changing
Road
speed
limits
to
20
has
led
to
you
know,
instance,
avoided
and
and
better
behavior
from
drivers.
So
I
would
like
to
know
what
your
views
are
on
the
effectiveness
of
reducing
a
road
speed
from
30
to
20,
even
if
perhaps
it's
a
road
where
drivers
will
instinctively
want
to
go
faster.
Q
Thank
you
yeah,
so
we
we
record
on
the
Collision
one
we
record
Sirius
and
fatals,
but
we
also
record
slights
where
there
has
been
a
slight
injury
and
they
are
a
very
significant
proportion
of
the
collisions
that
are
occurring
on
our
roads
in
terms
of
the
bumps
where
they're
not
reported,
there
is
no
formal
mechanism
for
recording
those,
but
part
of
this
process
is
about.
Q
Can
we
collate
that
information
somewhere
and
it
won't
be
just
from
residents
if
you
like?
There
are
many
other
organizations
that
collate
data
and
would
that
be
useful
for
us
in
terms
of
improving
Road
Safety,
so
there's
a
whole
piece
of
work
and
thinking
going
on
around.
Yes,
we've
got
the
statistics
here,
but
there
might
be
other
information
out
there,
and
can
we
collate
that
in
different
ways,
perhaps
from
hospital
information,
perhaps
from
there's
one
I
heard
the
other
day,
it
was
about
Street
lighting,
for
example,
damage
to
Street
lighting
poles.
Q
Well,
if
that's
happening
on
a
regular
basis,
but
no
one's
getting
hurt.
Well,
we've
got
that
information
as
the
highway
Authority.
That
might
give
us
an
indication
of
something
might
happen
again
in
the
near
future
and
and
can
react
on
that
and
colleagues
in
traffic
we'll
pick
those
things
up
so
there's
a
whole
piece
of
work
around.
What
else
is
out
there
and
can
we
bring
it
together?
Q
So
we
haven't
got
the
answers
yet,
but
that's
part
of
the
analysis
and
assessment
of
what
we're
doing
and
it
will
help
to
build
this
picture
of
what's
going
on
our
roads
is
what
we're
looking
for
in
terms
of
speeding,
I
I
might
defer
to
the
police
in
a
minute,
but
speeding
is
a
significant.
Is
one
of
the
Fatal
Five
that
I
refer
to
our
analysis
of
all
the
collisions
that
are
occurring
is
that
careless
driving
is
the
predominant
Factor
I'm?
Q
Not
speeding
is
clearly
in
there,
but
it's
not
the
predominant
one.
Moving
speed
limits
from
Whatever
It
Is
by
just
putting
up
new,
lower
speed
limit
signs,
historically,
even
from
a
department
for
transport
point
of
view
and
Engineering
perspective.
As
always,
the
answer
has
been
just
putting
up
signs
on
its
own
does
not
change
driver
behavior,
and
there
are
examples
where
that
has
been
done
and
not
necessarily
in
this
city,
but
in
other
places
I've
worked
and
it
doesn't
work.
Q
So
that's
why
authorities
do
develop
the
criteria
around
where
they
should
put
these
in
and
lower
speed
limits
and
when
they
would
recommend
not
to
because
that's
based
on
what
has
happened
elsewhere,
drivers
will
drive
according
to
the
conditions
and
it's
very
difficult
to
persuade
them.
Otherwise,
having
said
that,
however,
in
the
context
of
vision,
zero
are
we
entering
a
new
world
where
we
need
to
try
and
push
at
the
boundaries
of
this
and
I.
Q
Think
that
is
the
challenge
that
if
you
like,
as
traditional
Engineers
who've,
been
in
the
game,
a
few
years
need
to
challenge
ourselves
on
and
those
type
of
things
may
emerge.
The
current
policy,
though,
is
that
we
have
for
twenties
is
we
we
do
measure
the
speeds
of
the
the
vehicles
and,
if
they're
below
a
certain
Thresh
sold,
then
we
will
recommend
a
20..
Q
R
R
From
a
policing
point
of
view,
we
have
a
good
relationship
and
and
very
practical
data-led
understanding
about
the
use
of
20
mile,
an
hour
zones
in
in
Leeds
and
indeed
across
West
Yorkshire,
so
acknowledging
that
signs
on
their
own
don't
automatically
lead
to
a
deduction
in
main
speed.
R
We
work
together
and
examine
the
actual
Dynamics
on
the
road
in
question.
What
the
prevailing
tendency
for
drivers
to
travel
out
to
currently
is
what
the
desired
level
of
speed
should
be
and
then
aspire
to
a
position
where
the
limit
on
that
road
looks
and
feels
like
the
speed
limit
that
we
want
to
go
to
and
what
I'm
saying
here
is,
if
taking,
for
example,
the
road
that
you
describe
a
long
straight
road.
Well,
perhaps
that
doesn't
feel
like
a
20
mile
an
hour,
speed
limit.
R
However,
if,
following
traffic
flow
surveys,
we
can
establish
that,
through
signage
alone
and
or
a
combination
of
signage
with
traffic
calming,
we
can
make
that
road
feel
and
look
like
from
a
driver
perspective,
a
20
mile,
an
hour
limit
that
may
well
be
an
option,
that's
pursued
and
that's
the
principle
that
we've
followed
in
in
many
of
the
urban
20
mile,
an
hour
zones
across
West
Yorkshire.
R
So
that's
returning
a
data-led
justification
for
the
reduction
in
the
speed
limit,
but
also
making
that
the
demands
on
introducing
those
20
mile
an
hour,
speed
limits,
realistic
in
terms
of
delivery
from
a
local
Authority
and
police
enforcement
perspective.
C
Thank
you.
That's
really
helpful,
just
a
supplementary
question
because
I
think
what's
really
interesting
here
is
first
of
all
for
some
of
these
roads,
even
if
they
don't
meet
our
criteria.
There's
often
a
very
strong
Community
perception
that
that
road
is
unsafe
and
that
people
are
going
too
fast
on
it.
Certainly
the
case
in
the
in
the
certainly
the
case
for
the
two
roads
I
mentioned
and
many
others
in
the
ward.
What
I
wondered
is
I
think
we're
working
towards
local
transport
plans
now
for
all
of
our
Awards.
C
If
the
elephant
in
the
room
here
is
money
and
we
need
money
to
change
the
shape
of
that
road,
some
so
that
so
that
there's
traffic
calming
and
so
on,
so
that
it
the
feel
of
that
road
matches
our
ambition
that
it
should
be
a
20
because
of
the
perception
of
safety
and
because
it's
an
important
pedestrian,
Crossing
area
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
C
Would
it
make
sense
to
then
to
to
be
able
to
say
in
a
local
transport
plan
our
ambition
for
that
road
is
that
it
moves
from
a
30
to
20,
but
and
the
way
we
we
realize
that
ambition
is,
you
know,
funding
bids,
you
know
to
act,
travel,
England
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
at
least
we
can
set.
At
least
we
can
document
that
there's
real
Community
desire
for
that
road
to
be
a
lower
speed
limit,
and
we
can
start
to
make
the
case
for
the
money
that
that
will.
C
That
will
enable
us
to
do
that
by
by
making
it
like
realistic,
to
have
that
lower
speed
limit
and
being
able
to
document
it
and
putting
it
into
that
plan.
I
think
would
go
some
way
to
reassure
people
that
we
we,
you
know
we're
working
towards
that
outcome.
C
E
Q
Turns
with
Jordan
to
come
in,
yes,
that
is
the
purpose
of
the
local
transport
plans,
is
to
go
out
to
the
communities
and
to
ask
them
what
their
issues
are
and
how
they're
feeling
about
the
network
for
us
to
record
that
or
for
them
to
record
it
on
on
on
the
websites
that
will
be
used
and
social
media
that
will
be
used,
and
then
we
can
see
what
the
the
issues
are
and
trying
to
respond
to
those.
As
you
say,
funding
will
be
a
key
issue.
Q
I'd
like
to
flip.
This
conversation
also
take
the
opportunity
to
flip
this
conversation,
because
we
all-
and
the
people
in
the
community
also
have
the
ability
to
influence
the
speeds
and
the
feel
of
their
local
communities.
They
are
in
control.
I
am
in
control
of
my
right
foot
when
I'm
driving
on
the
accelerator
pedal
and
and
it's
it's.
How
do
we-
and
this
is
the
TR?
This
is
the
challenge
we
all
face.
Q
How
do
we
get
everybody
to
accept
their
own
sort
of
personal
responsibility
here,
because
the
highway
Authority
and
the
enforcing
authorities
are
never
going
to
have
the
resource
to
do
everything
across
the
whole
city
or
West
Yorkshire?
And
it's
it's
trying
to
have
this
conversation
with
our
residents
and
colleagues
about?
How
can
we
change
the
approach
to
driving
allow
more
time
plan
your
journey
slow
down,
take
more
Care
at
Junctions
careless
driving
remembers
the
predominant
factor
in
collisions
occurring
and
speeding.
Is
there
not
wearing
seat
belts
using
a
mobile
phone?
Q
A
Thank
you
very
much
Gary.
Whilst
we
were
speaking
and
on
this
agenda,
I
have
just
received
an
email
regarding
a
proposed
20
miles
per
hour,
speed
limit
in
various
Wards
in
the
city
that
includes
mine,
little
London
and
Woodhouse,
and,
of
course,
the
city
center,
as
well
as
consulate
and
Riverside
Beeston
and
holbeck.
So
I
take
it
from
your
data
and
is
this.
A
Q
Okay,
I
might
defer
to
Nick
on
the
traffic
engineering
side,
but
if
I
just
make
the
Strategic
comment
that
for
many
years
the
council
has
had
an
approach
where
generally
and
I
say
generally,
because
we've
just
had
a
conversation
about
a
couple
of
other
examples.
But
it's
not
the
case
most
residential
roads.
Q
S
Thank
you,
chair
in
2018,
Leeds
committed
to
make
all
our
residential
streets
20
miles
an
hour.
So
we've
had
a
program
since
that
to
introduce
a
20
mile,
an
hour
program,
we're
coming
to
the
end
of
that
there's
one
remaining
Ward,
which
is
a
Harewood
world,
where
we
just
finalizing
the
implementation
of
sanding
and
lining
Linked
In
Those
villages.
S
What
we're
doing
now
was
part
of
a
final
review,
which
is
we're
looking
at
any
roads
within
those
other
areas
that
we've
already
treated
to
see
if
there's
others
that
we've
missed
so
we've
got
a
map-based
system
that
can
identify
locations
now,
because
so,
if
a
new
development
has
come
online
and
they've
not
got
20
mile
an
hour,
speed
limit
applied
to
them.
So
the
email
that
I
think
you've
received
is
a
capture.
It's
a
tidy
up
email.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Members
have
shown
their
hands
so
we'll
take
questions
in
threes
and
I
will
call
in
the
order
that
we
put
their
hands
up
so
councilor
Buckley
and
then
councilor
lay
and
then
it
will
be
counselor
Hamilton
and
then
after
councilor
Hamilton
it
will
be
councilor
Giovanni
and
then
counselor
Nicole
Shah.
You
want
so
you'll,
be
the
third
councilor
Miller
and
you
as
well
councilor
Hussain
right.
So
that's
the
order,
so
don't
jump
in
until
your
time
comes
yeah.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
You
chair
I,
wanted
to
take
up
this
issue
of
speeding
from
a
slightly
different
perspective.
H
We
have
a
road
in
in
my
world
called
Lane,
which
is
a
40
miles
an
hour
road
and
people
sometimes
say.
Oh,
it's
got
to
be
a
30,
because
people
come
down
here,
60
and
70.,
and
every
time
the
police
do
a
survey.
They
work
out
that
the
average
speed
is
38
39
miles
an
hour
which
it
is
and
when
you
say
to
people,
have
you
not
considered
that
you
could
make
the
speed
limit
any
any
limit?
You
like
you,
make
it
20.
H
and
there's
those
individuals
because
of
the
way
they
are
will
still
do
60
and
70.
on
all
the
other
people
who
were
quite
within
the
law,
38
39.
They
will
be
put
out
to
put
it
mildly
and
unnecessarily
delayed,
because
it
was
reduced
to
30..
There's
no
danger
at
38.,
but
there
is
danger,
sedentary
and
I.
H
Just
wonder
it's
a
question
which
really
is
unanswerable,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
these
days
the
standard
of
driving
is
low,
I've,
never
known
the
standard
of
driving
be
so
low,
as
it
is
now
and
I'd
like
the
police.
To
comment
on
that
at
some
point.
Please,
and
just
one
final
thing
about
the
speeds:
the
average
speed
cameras
I
took
quite
a
while
ago.
H
I
took
a
an
advanced
driving
course,
and
one
of
the
points
that
the
police
made
at
the
time
was
it's
essential
that
you
allow
yourself
to,
if
necessary,
quickly,
go
over
the
limit
to
evade
a
problem.
So
it's
not
just
all
about
the
break.
It's
sometimes
a
quick
blip
on
that
accelerator
to
get
away
from
the
problem.
H
Now,
if
that
still
applies,
which
I
assume
it
does
does
that
reflect
in
the
average
speed
cameras.
So
if
the,
if
the
speed
limit
is
60-
and
you
do
65
for
10
seconds,
are
you
going
to
be?
Is
the
average
still
going
to
reflect
the
the
actuality?
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you,
chair.
Lots
of
questions
would
be
possible,
but
I'll
try
and
restrict
them.
Firstly,
Gary
just
on
your
point,
I
think
the
problem.
The
problem
is
that
people
whose
speed
are
a
bit
like
people
who
smoke
or
people
who
do
other
dangerous,
take
dangerous
lifestyle
choices
is
that
they
don't
think
it's
going
to
happen
to
them
when
they
get
cancer
or
they
had
the
car
accident.
K
K
K
So
I'm
I've
recently
got
a
new
car
I'm,
absolutely
loving
the
adaptive
cruise
control
because
I
just
set
it
and
it
it
reads:
the
speed
limit
and
I
just
drop
it
down,
and
it
speeds
up
and
slows
down
Etc
accordingly
and
I
believe
I'm,
not
sure.
Absolutely
certain,
but
I
believe
the
EU
introduced.
Speed
limit
is
limiting
on
all
their
new
cars
as
well.
K
So
I'd
like
to
see
that
at
a
government
level
being
being
introduced
whereby
all
new
cars,
the
Technology's
there
to
slow
cars
down
against
the
will
of
people,
because
we
have
to
recognize
that
46
people
a
month,
we
wouldn't
accept
a
plane
going
down
every
year
and
taking
300
400
500
people
out
of
society.
So
why
should
we
accept
46
a
month
of
people
either
dying
or
having
their
lives
changed
markedly?
K
How,
though,
do
we
balance
the
need
of
speed
with
the
need
for
people
to
move
efficiently
around
our
our
city
and
and
which
is
a
challenge,
of
course,
is
currently
from
various
groups
nationally
this
this
anti-car
anti-car
narrative
coming
in
and
has
been
coming
in
for
a
while,
driven
by
some
negative
players.
K
To
be
honest,
who
who
are
trying
to
dividers
rather
than
unite
us
as
a
nation,
we
should
be
United
in
this
country
we're
trying
to
reduce
the
number
of
road
traffic
deaths
and
serious
incidences
on
our
roads,
because,
like
I
say
we
wouldn't
accept
it.
If
airplanes
went
down
at
the
rate
that
people
lost
their
lives
on
the
roads
in
this
country,
on
a
technical
databases,
do
we
went
of
those
46?
Do
we
know
how
many
are
pedestrians?
K
How
many
are
in
the
car,
because,
obviously
the
ones
we
hear
are
often
multiple
fatalities
in
a
car
and
I?
Think
of
some
of
the
very
sad
stories
around
young
men
in
our
part
of
the
world
over
the
last
five
years,
so
speed
is
important,
of
course,
are
we
killing
our
drivers
or
are
we
killing
our
pedestrians
or
is
it
a
bit
of
both.
A
Thank
you,
Council
lay
and
I
agree
with
all
of
your
questions
really
because
from
your
KSI
figures
for
2022,
the
the
numbers
are
very
very
concerning
and
for
me
the
courses
as
well
is
even
more
concerning
so
I
would
really
love
to
hear
the
response
from
yourselves.
Regarding
that,
so
one
more
question
and
then
sorry
one
more
question
and
then
we
will
come
back
to
the
next
round
of
questions
so
that
it's
not
too
much
for.
K
A
B
Yeah,
just
to
say,
Gary
I
was
really
shocked
at
the
the
figures
that
he
said
per
month.
You
know
obviously,
and
we're
all
around
it
and
didn't
realize
and
obviously
we're
all
in
favor
of
the
zero
vision
for
2040..
B
You
know
I
I'm
really
really
shocked,
but
my
question
apart
from
that
saying
that
is
regard
to
the
cameras
that
the
West
Yorkshire
police
safety
cameras.
It's
got
a
tingly
roundabout,
Ford
green
and
the
a61
too
mine
is
regarding
the
Ford
green,
the
cameras,
because
a
lot
of
people
take
when
you're
coming
from
the
so
petrol
station
around
the
road
coming
straight
up
onto
around
the
road
and
by
the
Ford
green.
They
take
a
right
turn.
B
B
Information
are
fine
whatever,
because
it's
really
dangerous
there
they're
doing
that
right.
Turn
plus
also
I
want
to
know
if
the
camera
is
capturing.
B
When
they
come
in
from
down
Ariel's,
Lane
and
they're
not
supposed
to
take
no
I'm
saying
it's
a
left
turn
sorry
on
by
the
traffic
lights,
where
we
are,
but
then,
when
they're
coming
down
arrows,
Lane
they're,
taking
the
right
turn
at
the
Ford
green
they're,
all
in
up
traffic,
which
is
I,
think
it's
illegal
because
there's
lights
and-
and
you
know,
everybody's
having
to
Pippin
and
carrying
on
so
is
the
camera
picking
those
up,
because
it's
really
dangerous
because
with
there's
the
filter
coming
through
so
I
want
to
know
because
I
live
they
see
if
the
camera
is
picking
them
up
and
they're
being
fine
and
the
one
that
I'm
really
concerned
about
is
coming
from
rounder
Road
straight
up
and
that
left
turn
I
was
saying
right
turn
so
what's
happening
there
because
we
are
crossing
the
road.
B
You
know.
A
lot
of
people
is
really
frightened
and
then
we're
trying
to
avoid
it.
But
it's
a
pelican
CrossFit.
So
that's
mine.
My
question
what's
happening:
if
the
cameras
are
there,
who's,
picking
it
up
and
what's
happening
to
those
drivers.
Q
Okay,
I
I
may
call
some
colleagues
in
around
the
table
here
so
if
colleagues
can
be
prepared,
but
if
I
start
with
councilor
Buckley
I
I
think
the
comments
about
the
60s
and
70s
in
Shadwell
Lane
highlights
the
challenge
that
we
face
very
neatly
and
I
probably
don't
need
to
say
much
more.
Rarely
that
that
is
the
the
challenge
of
trying
to
get
into
people's
heads
is.
Why
do
they
think
it's
acceptable
in
any
way
to
do
that
type
of
speed
where
it's
signed
as
40
and
there's
a
feeling
from
the
community?
Q
It
should
be
even
lower
than
that
and
it's
how
how
we,
if
we
think
back
about
seat
belt,
wearing
how
how
people
reacted
to
that
when
it
was
made
you
a
requirement
and
people
did
well
I'm,
not
going
to
do
that.
But
now
the
majority
of
people
do
wear
seat
belts
and
personally,
I
wouldn't
get
into
a
car
without
wearing
my
seatbelt
and
that's
not
out
for
a
professional
thing.
That's
just
a
personal
safety
approach.
Q
The
average
speed
camera
comment
that
that's
why
they
are
average
speed
cameras
over
us
over
quite
a
length.
So
if
there
is
a
need
to
temporarily
do
something
that
should
even
its
way
out
in
terms
of
that
length
that
has
the
average
speed
camera
on
yeah
I
that
that
is
always
the
argument.
That's
put
against
average
speed
cameras.
The
the
benefits
of
having
such
a
system
far
outweigh
those
those
issues
and
standard
of
driving.
Q
I'm,
not
sure
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
think
people
got
used
when
they
were
driving
through
the
restrictions
when
traffic
volumes
were
very
low,
that
they
were
able
to
perhaps
to
go
a
bit
faster,
weren't
queuing
anywhere
and
now
things
are
starting
to
pick
up
again
and
people
are
getting
frustrated
by
other
people
being
on
the
roads
and
cues
and
congestion.
It
is
resulting
in
what
we're
seeing
councilor
low
again
I
I,
don't
think.
Q
There's
too
many
questions
in
there
lots
of
comments
that
I
would
agree
with
particularly
Vision
zero
is
about
trying
to
what's
in
all.
Q
The
national
government
around
initiatives
as
well
and
the
speed
limiters
yeah
very
interesting
and
challenging
area
of
work.
We
do
record
lots
of
data
with
the
police.
We
do
record
lots
of
data
in
terms
when
there
are
collisions
on
the
highway,
so
we
do
have
all
that
data
is
broken
down
and
we
can
cut
it.
Q
Many
different
ways
to
have
a
look
at
what
is
there
and
we
do
like
a
bit
of
enthusiasm
and
passion
around
this
topic,
because
it
is
so
important
for
the
reasons
already
given
I,
don't
know
if
Ian
I'm,
just
conscious
you're
here
and
some
of
the
general
comments
here
around
Behavior
change.
I
think
we
all
know
that
that's
a
real
challenge
I'd
just
like
to
bring
you
in
on
that
point,
if
I
may
and
then
perhaps
Nick.
Q
If
you'd
like
to
come
on
to
counselor
Hamilton's
specific
point
about
Ford,
green
and
I,
think
Jillian,
you
wanted
to
add
a
comment
to.
V
Thanks
Gary,
that's
probably
one
of
the
easiest
questions
in
terms
of
behavior
change
and
driving
I
I
guess
what
I
would
say
is
that
one
of
the
reasons
I
think
that
the
conversations
that
you
guys
are
having
now
in
the
last
few
years
is
is
really
really
important,
because
Behavior
change
is
really
very
difficult.
Most
people
most
of
the
time,
want
to
get
to
where
they're
going
safely.
That's
the
standard
of
everybody,
I
guess,
with
with
exceptions.
V
I
know,
there's
lots
of
reasons
why
there
are
exceptions,
so
I
I
think
the
data
driven
work
that
you're
doing
is
really
important.
So
we
know,
for
example,
Young
Drivers,
80
percent
of
deaths
on
Rural
roads
are
young
blogs,
so
actually
having
a
strategy
that
targets
or
starts
to
look
at
that
data
and
see
what
interventions
are
possible
is
the
right
approach,
then
what
you
do
about
it
in
terms
of
Gary's
challenge
in
terms
of
behavior
is
really
difficult.
V
I
I
did
some
research
up
the
road
with
lots
of
Behavioral
psychologists,
not
what
they
that's
what
they
spend
their
life
doing.
So
we
have
expertise
in
leads
literally
half
a
mile
up
the
road,
but
I
know
that
the
council
are
utilizing.
We
actually
met
yesterday
with
Professor
Jamison
who's,
one
of
those
experts
and
it's
always
about
specific
tasks,
specific
incidents,
specific
age
groups
and
just
connected
with
my
first
point.
For
me:
yes,
consult
with
those
individuals,
yes
look
at
the
data.
V
That
is
really
clear,
but
this
is
really
difficult
and
that's
why
I
think
just
the
conversation
increasing
the
conversation
talk
about
Road
death,
one
of
your
board
members
today
said
that
they
were
shop.
A
number
of
deaths
well,
I've
been
banging
on
about
this
with
Leeds
counselors
for
the
last
eight
years,
so
I'm
shocked
that
people
are
shocked
and
I.
Think
for
me,
it's
really
important
that
the
conversation
gets
more
widely
and
the
paper
it
talks
about
businesses,
everybody's
business,
I
think
the
language
that
Rose
has
used
in
the
report.
V
That's
where
you
need
to
go
as
a
board
I
would
suggest
so.
Focusing
on
Behavior
change
is
really
really
difficult.
Well
known
for
being
difficult.
How
do
you
force
people
if
we
still
smoke
to
stop
smoking
really
difficult
and
I
would
draw
a
very
clear
connection
between
smoking
from
the
50s
60s
70s
80s
to
Road
Safety.
V
Today,
it's
very
similar
in
terms
of
the
policy
changes
that
are
required,
but
having
sorry
it's
a
long
answer,
but
having
having
awareness
talking
about
it,
getting
as
businesses
use
or
treating
it
as
a
public
health
challenges,
an
epidemic,
stopping
people
being
shocked
that
five
people
a
day
five
people
a
day
are
killed
nationally.
Five
people
a
day
I
mean
that's
completely
shocking
people,
don't
know
that
so
I
think
as
a
board,
you
have
a
scrutiny
committee.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Ian
I
would
like
you
to
come
back
again
for
those
who
do
not
know
you
and
for
the
public
who
are
watching
us.
I
do
know.
You're
a
parent
campaigner
I
wasn't
here
when
you,
when
you
came
and
made
your
initial
presentation,
which
I
heard
was
very
very
emotional
and
I
hate
to
take
you
back,
but
obviously
because
of
your
lived
experience,
you
know
you
became
a
parent
campaigner
and,
of
course,
you're
on
the
board
for
our
vision,
zero.
V
Another
really
difficult
question:
Abigail,
thank
you,
I
I,
guess
in
in
agreeing
to
come
here
today,
you're
reflecting
on
the
work
of
the
last
year
and
the
strategy,
and
what
what
I?
What
I
did
was
reflected
on
my
own
personal
experience.
V
So
I
have
a
forever
12
year
old
daughter,
called
Alice.
She
was
killed
by
young
drivers
on
a
rural
road
who
also
managed
to
kill
themselves
and
his
passenger
in
2008.
So
I
guess
I
guess
the
reflection
is
quite
hard
for
me.
When
I
do
this,
because
Alice
would
be
25
this
year,
I
actually
I
actually
did
those
numbers.
I
never
do
those
numbers
because
it
always
scares
me,
but
my
reflection,
I
guess
is
I,
guess
threefold:
I
guess
I've
got
I've
got
a
positive
comment.
V
I've
got
a
depressing
comment
and
I've
got
a
challenge
if
I
may
so
the
past,
when
I
started.
Talking
to
your
predecessors
in
the
council,
I
got
a
lot
of
patronizing
response,
which
lots
of
people
around
the
table
have
heard
me
go
on
about
before
the
kind
of
the
head
patting
they're
there.
They
were
far
too
busy
to
meet
people
like
you,
there's
not
that
many
dead
people
are
there
in
Leeds
we're
not
any
worse
than
anybody
else.
V
That
was
my
initial
response
from
people
within
Leeds
Council
and
across
West
Yorkshire.
If
I'm
honest
and
the
positive
bit
I
said
there
was
a
positive
bit.
First.
V
Is
that
there's
been
so
much
activity
from
2018
when
I
first
wrote
to
Judith
Blake,
who
was
giving
me
those
sorts
of
answers
to
today,
where
you
you
have
a
strategy
in
Leeds,
groundbreaking,
brilliant,
you
didn't
have
one
before
there's
been
huge
progress
and
a
lot
of
my
comments
are
often
aimed
at
the
politicians
I'm
afraid,
rather
than
the
officers
who
were
there
working
away
busy
busy
busy
doing
as
they're
asked
us
for
boards
like
this.
So
that's
a
positive
for
me.
V
V
The
negative
people
have
talked
about
already
so
think
about
the
current
21.
Increasing
deaths
and
serious
injuries
is
appalling
and
I
know
all
the
activity
is
aimed
at
targeting
that
and
lots
of
people
have
mentioned
that
today.
I'd
also
mentioned
something
else
at
looking
at
some
data
from
West
Yorkshire
we've
had
a
28
increase
of
child
deaths
and
serious
injuries.
V
V
deaths
and
serious
injuries.
Now
that
sort
of
message
I
think
we
need
to
get
out
there,
so
the
the
today
is
is
a
little
bit
negative,
because,
whilst
there's
a
lot
of
activity,
there's
we're
not
making
the
difference,
we
need
to
make
yet
I
would
say
and
I
guess
the
future
I
I'd
say
that
focusing
on
the
provisional
numbers
for
2022
are
really
very
Stark.
V
21
increase,
depending
on
what
the
final
numbers
look
like.
Most
of
those
are
probably
all
avoidable
and
the
knock-on
effect
on
the
Health
Service,
the
ambulance
service,
the
emergency
service,
the
trauma
center.
That's
up
the
road,
what
the
police
do,
what
the
flows
do?
What
the
council
I
mean.
The
list
is
very
long.
Many
billions.
Tens
of
billions
of
pounds
every
year
but
I
think
it
connects
with
some
of
the
questions
that
the
board
members
have
been
asking
it's
about
with
the
willingness
to
make
the
choices.
Some
of
them
are
quite
difficult.
V
We
hear
a
lot
in
the
media
about
the
war
on
the
motorist.
What
about
all
the
dead
people,
never
land
the
war
on
the
motorist,
I
would
say
so.
I
guess
I
guess!
My
challenge
is:
how
do
we
make
it
everybody's
business,
which
is
a
language
in
the
paper?
How
do
we
make
sure
that
it
is
a
Public
Health
Challenge?
So
we
all
and
that
connects
your
question
Abigail
was
about
what
would
my
advice
would
be
carry
on
talking
about
it
I
think?
V
But
if
you
start
to
penetrate
people's
Consciousness
in
terms
of
yeah,
actually
it's
quite
easy.
When
you're
going
down
the
hill
on
a
speed
limit,
speed,
limited
Road,
it's
actually
quite
easy
to
let
the
car
I
get
that
I'm,
not
one
of
these
bang
the
table
type
campaigners
but
I
think
it's
about
people's
awareness
and
making
the
right
choices
and
I
I.
Guess
for
today
it's
about
the
council
making
the
right
choices.
So
the
challenge
is
what
you're
going
to
do
differently.
Gary
said
because
I
wrote
it
down.
V
Maybe
we
need
to
do
things
very
differently.
He
said
well
I'm
I'm
in
that
I'm.
On
that
page,
the
infrastructure
is
all
there.
The
strategies
there
you've
got
a
lot
of
folk
now
working
Neil's
new
imposed.
You've
got
a
lot
of
people
within
Leeds
Castle
working
at
this.
What
is
it
that's
going
to
be
different?
My
advice
would
be
talk
about
it,
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
talk
to
the
local
communities
who
ideas.
A
Pretty
much
Ian
and
thank
you
for
sharing
your
story.
A
I
know
it's
not
an
easy
one:
I
know
what
it
means
to
lose
a
child
and,
on
behalf
of
the
board,
we
continue
to
wish
you
strength
and
comfort
through
the
years
ahead
and
you've
said
we
should
continue
talking
about
it.
We
have
the
infrastructure
in
place
and
we
have
the
strategy
in
place.
So
we
need
to
continue
talking
about
it
and
challenge
it
and
doing
something
about
it
and
I'm
pleased
with
you
acknowledging
the
progress
as
well.
A
Yes,
the
the
numbers
are
still
sad,
but
we
have
a
will
and
I
can
see
that
from
this
strategy.
So
it's
for
us
to
keep
going
I,
hope,
I,
don't
get
him
so.
S
In
regards
to
default
green,
so
the
lists
that
she's
seen
is
in
reference
to
red
light
violation
cameras.
So
we've
identified
through
our
analytical
work
done
previously
that
those
three
locations
have
red
light
violations
that
resulted
in
in
jury
collisions.
So
within
this
year's
program,
that's
what's
proposed
and
that's
what
she
sees
in
regards
to
the
movement
violations
that's
been
described.
S
This
might
be
an
ideal
opportunity
to
inform
the
scrutiny
panel
that
Leeds
recently
applied
to
to
apply
for
the
powers
to
enforce
movement
violations
that
were
previously
only
able
to
be
enforced
by
the
police,
so
we've
been
successful
recently
been
successful
and
so
that
we
can
now
enforce
movement
violations
and
also
yellow
box
markings
through
cameras.
So
this
is
a
new
technology
that
we've
brought
in
it's
new
powers
that
we've
received
and
we're
in
the
infancy
of
moving
that
forward.
A
G
Thank
you,
chair
with
your
Indulgence
I've,
got
a
couple
of
questions
and
a
comment
to
make
speeds
past
primary
schools
and
playgrounds.
What
are
their
ex
speed
limits
expected
to
be
around
doors?
G
G
the
of
other
survey
done
by
one
of
Gary's
Highway
engineers
and
that
sure
that
63.8
percent
of
traffic
going
down
that
residential
Road
houses,
one
side
playing
fields
across
the
way,
we're
traveling
above
the
20
mile
an
hour
speed
limits.
G
So
the
question
is
what
is
an
acceptable
number
of
vehicles
traveling
above
the
speed
limits
and
because
of,
if
significant
number
enough
to
skew
it?
Do
it
actually
below
the
speed
limit
it
fetches
the
average
down
to
21.8,
but
that
ignores
the
large
number
doing,
also
doing
it
over
a
quarter
Vehicles
doing
in
excess
of
25.?
G
Now
it's
a
bit
difficult
for
me
to
remember
when
I
was
a
kid,
and
some
of
you
may
remember
a
bit
easier,
but
if
you
had
a
playground
opposite
or
playing
field
opposite
your
house,
it
was
great
to
just
go
out.
It
was
great
to
be
able
to
walk
to
Primary
School
on
your
own.
That's
a
very
difficult
thing
for
a
lot
of
children
to
do
and
I've
mentioned
before,
and
Gary
Council
here.
They're,
probably
sick
of
hearing
me
mention
about
one
particular
playground
where
it's
30.
G
going
past
the
playground
and
we've
got
primary
schools.
We've
got
a
primary
school
where
it's
still
30
going
past
the
primary
school
in
horsefest.
So
there's
some
answers
around
those
those
are
on
the
the
other
questions
around
the
motorbike
trial
on
the
a65
you
mentioned
the
report.
You've
got
five
six
criteria
during
measuring
it
pi,
but
you
only
actually
give
stats
based
on
one
of
those
and
that's
the
speed
where
the
speed
has
actually
increased
of
motorbikes
using
the
bus
lanes.
G
So
what's
work
is
going
to
be
done
on
getting
those
motorbikes
to
reduce
their
speed
in
the
bus
lanes
so
that
they're
still
within
the
30
along
there,
and
you
mentioned
working
with
the
motorcycle
Action
Group.
How
representative
is
that
of
the
motorbike
users
across
Leeds
and
thank
you
for
this
year.
One
comment
about
that's
mentioned
in
the
report
about
the
new
speed
indicator
devices
that
are
being
available
going
to
be
available
to
community
groups.
G
I
took
one
out
with
a
couple
of
officers
a
week
or
so
back.
It
wasn't
a
mobile
thing.
Really
it
weighed
a
significant
amount,
but
I've
been
told
the
ones
they
are
getting
will
be
more
mobile
and
easy
to
handle
and
won't
need
a
van
and
a
ramp
to
move
them
around,
but
it
would
really
it
was
brilliant
cars
actually
slowed
down
when
they
saw
us.
It's
always
there
with
us,
said
three
people
in
high
high
Fizzies
clipboard
and
you
could
see
them
slow
down.
G
A
Thank
you
accomplish
out.
D
Thanks
chair,
firstly,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
team
for
the
work
on
this
I
sat
on
this
panel
last
year
and
I
know:
there's
a
great
lot
of
work.
I
sit
on
the
West,
Yorkshire
police
and
crime
panel.
So
you
know
I
know
that
all
the
work
that's
going
into
it
and
every
element
that
you're,
covering
personally
the
motor
cycle
pilot
that
you're
doing
been
traveling
on
motorbikes
for
a
lot
of
years.
D
D
But
the
question
I've
got
I
raised
this
last
year
with
you
Gary,
but
it
just
sort
of
been
implemented
in
relation
to
the
Highway
code
and
the
it
was
implemented
last
year
and
I
think
it
was
the
Junctions
and
the
you
know
the
pedestrian
yeah
I
raised
it
last
year,
as
that
had
an
impact
on
on
any
of
this
on
the
stats.
F
Thanks
chair
yeah,
my
question
is
on
community
speed,
watch
and
councilor
gavani's
now
touched
on
it,
but
these
speed
indication
devices
which
are
provided
by
the
enabled
policing
team
I
have
a
number
of
community
groups
in
my
ward,
who
find
them
really
valuable
as
a
service
to
use
and
their
kind
of
anecdotal
evidence,
at
least,
is
that
it
does
a
lot
to
promote
speed
awareness
within
the
local
area.
F
So
I
just
wanted
to
know
your
guys
view
on
the
utility
of
those
devices
as
part
of
a
wider
speed
awareness
project
and
are
they
you
know
good
value
for
money?
Do
they
kind
of
do
they
work
basically
and
then
just
a
supplementary
question
on
the
trial.
That's
going
on
that
John
mentioned
about
these
newer
devices.
What
the
difference
is
between
what
was
previously
being
used
and
are
they
more
effective?
Thank
you.
Q
Thank
you,
chair
again,
I
make
calling
colleagues
on
some
of
these
Council
gavani
about
speed
limits
outside
schools.
Yes,
it's
it!
It's
very
much
horses
for
courses
because
of
the
different
geographies
that
might
be
involved.
Obviously,
in
heavily
built
up
residential
areas
where
speeds
are
at
certain
levels.
We
would
hope
that
we
could
get
twenties
in,
but
it
does
depend
on
the
circumstances.
Q
I,
I,
think
listening
to
the
conversation,
I
would
say
and
again
it's
this
constructive
challenge
back
really
in
terms
of
what
we
often
find
is
people
say:
well,
the
speed
limit
is
40
or
50
or
30..
Then
we
need
to
remember
that
those
are
maximum
speed.
Limits
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
drive,
there's
not
minimum.
You
don't
have
to
drive
at
30..
You
can
drive
according
to
how
you
feel
you
should
be
driving
and
again
it's
this.
Q
Let's
have
a
conversation
with
the
community
about
how
we
can
change
this
perception,
but
I
think
the
council
has
a
trap
record
of
we've
delivered
a
huge
number
of
twenties
across
the
city
in
the
last
10
years
or
so,
and
where
working
with
the
police,
where
all
parties
feel
that
it's
appropriate,
we
will
do
more.
So
that's
our
commitment
there,
the
motorbike
I,
don't
know
whether
Nick
might
want
to
come
in
on
some
of
the
detail
of
the
other.
You
know
the
particulars
on
that
one
in
terms
of
the
motorbike
trial.
Q
How
do
we
get
the
speeds
of
motor
cyclists
lower
and
how
and
is
mag
representative
again
very
good
questions?
It
will
be
about
Behavior
change
in
education
and
persuasion
and
comms
and
all
those
things
about
what
you
know:
we've
done
a
trial.
You
asked
us
to
do
a
trial,
we're
conducting
this
18-month
trial
and
yet
what
we've
seen
is
some
of
your
speeds
increasing
of
your
members.
What
can
you
do
to
to
help
us
with
that?
Q
Because
that's
not
a
message
we
want
to
receive
or
give
out
so
even
though
I
think
some
of
the
speed
limit
increases
were
marginal,
it's
still
going
in
the
wrong
direction
and
we
know
the
consequences
of
that
and
and
how
represented
in
our
mag
yeah.
Q
There
are
very
key
contact
for
us,
and
maybe
if
there
are
others
that
are
representative
as
well,
we
will
listen.
We
will
listen
to
anybody.
Who's
got
a
comment
on
this.
Basically,
if
we
could
engage
with
800
000
residents,
we
will
certainly
try
to
do
that.
Q
I
think
the
point
about
the
Sid
and
it
being
heavy
I,
think
Rosie
and
Jillian
are
fully
aware
of
that
and
we're
moving
to
a
lightweight
version
again
Rosie.
Maybe
when
I
finish,
perhaps
you
want
to
come
in
on
that
and
yellow
jackets
yeah
they're
fantastic?
Are
they?
When
we
go
on
site
with
our
Yellow
Jackets,
you
can
see
the
changing
behavior
of
drivers
and
I'm
sure
the
police
see
that
every
day
on
the
highway
code,
question
from
councilor
sharp
again
I
might
look
to.
Q
Q
It's
rather
strange,
but
the
statistics
we
get
through
the
police
and
through
DFT
they
have
to
be
confirmed
and
we're
still
waiting
for
22s
to
be
confirmed.
We
have
a
lot
of
the
data,
but
it's
this
ratification
of
the
data.
We
need
as
much
as
anything
else
and
that
will
allow
us
to
cut
that
data
again,
how
we
see
and-
and
we
perhaps
we
ought
to
ask
that
question
to
see.
Q
Councilor
Miller
I
think
I've
covered
the
point
about
the
the
the
new
device
being
heavy
and
a
bit
cumbersome
in
terms
of
the
worthiness
of
Sids.
The
speed
indicator
devices.
If
you
asked
a
traditional
engineer,
he
might
say:
well,
you
might
get
a
bit
of
benefit
one
or
two
miles
per
hour
reduction
and
that
might
have
been
the
response
and,
let's
not
that's
not
good
value
for
money,
but
I
think
it
comes
back
for
me
to
this
this
new
world
that
we're
in
with
vision,
zero.
Q
It's
about
encouraging
communities
to
own
the
agenda,
to
have
conversations
with
their
sons,
daughters,
relatives
who
perhaps
have
been
caught
or
seen,
speeding
and
saying.
Well,
what
are
you
doing
so
anything
that
wears
a
gen?
A
Wares
makes
this
agenda
more
aware
is
got
to
be
good
for
me.
So,
let's
keep
talking
about
it
so
Rosie
do
you
want
to
come
back
on
the
Sid
and
I?
Don't
know
if
Nikki
wanted
to
come
back
on
any
specifics
on
the
20s.
T
Just
just
speak
up
on
the
surgery
right,
the
Sid
was
a
bit
of
a
challenge,
so
we
are
we're
limited
by
what's
available.
The
SIDS
that
you've
used
previously
are
no
longer
available.
The
company
no
longer
produces
them,
so
we've
had
to
go
wider.
Looking
at
what
is
available,
what
is
going
to
be
practical
for
use
so
we're
working
with
the
police,
neighborhood
policing
teams
to
come
up
with
something
that
would
be
fit
for
their
purposes
and
for
us
to
use
with
communities.
T
We
are
going
to
try
out
the
new,
lighter
version
of
from
the
same
company
that
you
already
saw
I
think
the
advantages
of
the
new
seeds
of
the
old
SIDS.
You
can
download
the
data,
you
don't
need
to
worry
about
firewalls.
We
can
actually
get
data
from
them.
That
will
give
us
a
real
picture
of
what's
going
on
around.
So
it's
it's
still
a
work
in
progress,
It's
Something,
we're
very
keen
to
progress,
and
will
we
keep
communities
posted
as
and
when
we
get
the
new
SIDS
and
they
become
operational?
Absolutely
I
hope
that
answers.
S
If
I
can
just
come
in
regarding
Council
Governor's,
Broadway
and
the
school
issues
so
some
time
ago
now
there
was
not
a
national
approach
to
setting
speed
limits.
So
as
a
driver,
you
could
go
into
different
worlds
and
in
different
districts
and
see
the
same
type
of
Road
environment
being
asked
to
produce
drive
at
a
different
speed.
So
the
Department
of
Transport
set
some
national
speed
limit
guidance
so
that
there
was
a
national
approach.
S
Leeds
follows
that,
but
we
do
we
do
push
the
boundaries
Gary
said
and
you
guys
to
challenge
in
the
DFT.
So
one
of
their
requirements
is
when
we
assess
speeds.
We've
got
to
use
the
mean
speed
that
doesn't
pick
up
those
people.
If
you
describe
that,
there's
those
ones
that
choose
to
drive
at
a
higher
speed
limit
in
those
we've
got
two
options.
S
Then,
if
we
identify
that
there's
there's
a
pattern
of
of
speeding,
we
will
generally
send
that
those
results
to
the
neighborhood
policing
team
and
that
breaks
it
down
hour
by
hour,
so
the
police
can
do
targeted
enforcement
and
secondly,
and
our
Council
ahead
and
touched
on
it
and
gave
the
prayers
to
me.
S
But
it
was
a
joint
effort
between
the
police
and
Paul
in
regards
to
changing
the
camera
partnership
criteria
and
one
of
those
new
innovative
ideas
that
came
from
that
new
strategy
is
that
we've
got
the
ability
now
to
deploy
a
community
speed
van
to
address
such
concerns.
There's
a
criteria,
it's
a
look,
much
lower
criteria
than
the
previous
ones,
which
were
casualty
reduction
based.
This
is
evidence-based
through
speeding
alone,
I,
don't
know
if
Paul
wants
to
come
in
on
that
a
little
bit.
R
Thank
you,
chair
yeah
thanks
thanks
for
raising
that
Nick,
we
were
sat
here
12
months
ago
talking
about
the
constraints
relating
to
safety.
Camera
enforcement
I'm
really
proud
of
the
fact
that
here
in
West,
Yorkshire
and
and
driven
by
Leeds
in
February
this
year,
we
actually
put
in
place
of
advised
deployment
strategy
for
safety
cameras.
Historically
we'd
only
placed
cameras
where
people
had
already
died.
R
R
So
the
new
strategy,
really
it
takes
the
gloves
off
if
you
like,
in
terms
of
our
ability
to
use
safety,
cameras
to
prevent
casualties
and
we
launched
in
February,
we
already
have
over
20
Community
concern
sites
nominated
by
elected
members
and
indeed
members
of
the
public.
In
Leeds
alone,
we
have
detected
in
excess
of
7
000,
speeding,
offenses
to
date
in
those
locations.
Now
those
are
offenses
and
issues
of
non-compliance
that
we
formally
would
have
been
totally
oblivious
to.
R
R
Beyond
the
reach
of
Simply
the
statutory
agency
responsibilities,
we
can't
enforce
or
engineer
our
way
out
of
the
issues
that
we're
talking
about
this
morning.
What
we've
got
to
do
is
to
continue
to
change
the
culture
in
the
communities
that
we
serve
so
that
speeding
becomes
just
as
unacceptable
as
drink
driving
in
the
70s
people
thought
nothing
of
going
to
the
pub
having
five
or
six
parents
and
driving
home
in
the
main
that
culture
was
totally
changed
in
today's
environment.
R
We
are
probably
at
the
very
start
of
that
Journey
around
making
speed
just
as
unacceptable,
but
it's
a
challenge
worth
addressing
and
empowering
people
to
to
do
something
about
it.
To
start
those
conversations
with
with
young
people,
Young
Drivers
and
other
Road
users
through
such
Vehicles
as
speed,
watches,
is
really
valuable
and
also,
if
I
may
just
extend
this
principle
to
what
we've
done
around
the
use
of
dash
cams
and
head
cams
and
helmet
cams
same
principle
applies
here.
R
Operation
snap,
introduced
back
in
2020
was
a
means
to
empower
the
public
to
actually
do
something
about
the
appalling
driver
behavior
that
they
may
have
witnessed
when
they've
been
going
from
A
to
B
and
secured
on
their
their
dash.
Cam.
Now
we're
in
a
different
place
today,
because
the
use
of
digital
technology
in
vehicles
is
widespread.
R
So
from
a
relatively
slow
uptake
back
in
2020,
we
now
have
over
20
000
submissions
by
members
of
the
public
across
West
Yorkshire
of
poor
driving,
including
dangerous
driving,
inappropriate
and
dangerous
speed
failing
to
comply
with
with
traffic
lights.
Etc
now
I'm
really
proud
of
the
fact
that
we've
got
that
level
of
Engagement,
which
is
resulting
in
over
72
percent
of
those
submissions,
resulting
in
some
form
of
action
that
action
May
well
be
a
referral
of
the
offending
driver
to
a
retraining
course.
R
A
Excellent,
thank
you
very
much.
That
was
my
next
question
on
your
operation
of
operation,
snap
and
obviously
it's
great
to
see
the
outcome,
especially
the
only
question
I
have
there
in
terms
of
snapping
so
and
I
call
them
naughty
boys.
All
my
children
are
son,
are
boys,
so
I
think
I've
got
every
permission
to
to
speak
to
that
that
category
of
boys,
because
I
know
what
they
can
be
up
to
now.
A
Most
of
the
cyclists
who
are
causing
a
lot,
especially
those
on
e-bikes,
okay,
using
balaclavas
and
again
most
of
them
are
very
young
boys.
What
are
we
doing
and
how
can
operation
snap
capture
that
group,
because
obviously
they're
covered?
So
even
if
you
take
a
picture
using
your
operation
snack,
how
does
the?
How
does
that
help?
You
translate
any
action
or
any
any
persecution
or
whatever
it
is.
You
would
need
to
do
to
stop
that
behavior
that
the
you
know
they
do
around
the
city.
R
R
There
are
significant
limitations
around
what
operation
snap
can
offer
in
terms
of
the
solution
and-
and
the
reason
is,
is
very
simple
for
us
to
progress.
An
issue
that's
been
submitted
by
the
public
through
operation
snap.
We
need
to
be
able
to
identify
the
vehicle
which
will
then
take
us
to
the
driver
or
Rider,
clearly
electrically
assisted
bicycles
or
indeed,
scooters
that
don't
display
a
vehicle
registration
Mark.
Therefore,
there's
no
registered
keeper.
There
is
no
insurance
linked
to
those
vehicles.
R
In
the
main,
therefore,
our
ability
to
act
simply
on
the
submission
of
a
bit
of
digital
footage
is
virtually
none
unless
the
identity
of
the
rider
is
known
to
the
person
who's
submitting,
and
that
sometimes
does
happen
because
of
the
the
fact
that
somebody
lives
in
that
Community.
They
might
well
know
that
Paul
Jeffrey
is
the
writer
of
that.
R
So
so
that's
really
an
honest.
Take
on
the
limitations
around
this
type
of
vehicle.
A
R
So
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
obviously
the
possibility,
the
commission
of
moving
road
traffic,
offenses
and,
of
course,
the
conduct
of
some
of
these
uses
of
scooters
and
electrically
assisted
Cycles
amounts
of
anti-social,
Rider
Behavior
across
each
of
the
five
districts,
including
Leeds.
We
have
an
off-road
bike
capability.
We
also
have
roads,
policing,
Specialists
that
have
tactical
options
in
relation
to
powered
two-wheelers,
be
the
motorcycles
or
electric
vehicles
now
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
those
tactical
options
now
for
obvious
reasons.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
just
one
more
question.
On
page
38,
there
was
a
recommendation
regarding
I
believe
regarding
drivers
in
terms
of
lobbying
the
government
to
reconsider
the
introduction
of
a
graduated
driver
license
in
the
UK.
Have
we
got
any
updates
on
that.
L
V
I
I'm-
maybe
overstepping
my
mark
in
terms
of
why
I'm
here
but
I
just
know
the
answer
to
that.
So
there
was
a
transport
committee
inquiry
that
people
will
probably
remember
that
baroness
beer
basically
said
not
gonna.
Do
it.
No
governments
no
plans
and
that
position
has
not
altered.
I've
personally
been
lobbying
the
transport
committee
to
do
a
review
of
their
decision,
which
is
what
they
said
in
2021.
They
would
review
that
position.
V
They
refused
to
review
that
position
as
well,
so
it
hasn't
moved
forward
at
all.
There's
still
quite
a
lot
of
lobbying,
there's
still
quite
a
lot
of
politics
in
this,
but
the
government's
not
the
current
government
is
currently
not
prepared
to
do
anything
about
it,
nor
the
labor
party.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
board
members.
Is
this
an
issue
we're
happy
to
continue
to
push
forward
to
the
government?
Is
that
a
yes
from
all
of
us?
Okay,
we
will
continue.
Remember
when
you
say
keep
speaking
about
it.
We
will
continue
to
be
the
voice.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Any
other
questions
before
I
ask
the
exact
member
to
round
up
on
this
agenda
item
for
us.
E
E
It's
no
traffic
on
this
is
off
the
peak
and
exactly
the
same
from
the
Easley
road,
so
that
new
things
are
going
to
be
monitoring
about
the
speed
speed
as
well,
yes
or
not.
E
Thus,
thus
things
across
the
city
I
think
chair
is
the
road
marking
are
making
a
difference
to
the
accident,
doesn't
matter
it's
a
minor
or
senior,
and
also
Road
marketing
and
the
road
signage
as
well,
especially
the
people's
out
of
the
towns
when
they
are
into
the
residential
areas
and
I
think
that's
that's
quite
important
as
well.
E
Yes,
drinking
driving
under
20
miles
per
Suite
hours,
I
think
just
we
are
talking
about
everything.
This
is
a
good
and
safety
for
the
public
and
for
the
resident
of
the
elites,
but
to
me
some
percentage
across
the
city
they're
still
abusing
the
system
over
speeding,
it
could
be
as
like
a
normal
driving.
It
could
be
drinking
driving
over
speeding.
It
right
and
I
think
thus
needed
to
be
enforced.
E
Yes,
we
can
do
it.
You
know
many
areas
as
a
20
mile
per
hour
when
it's
the
some
of
the
drivers
are
not
realizing.
This
is
not
enforcement.
There,
no
police
there,
but
I
they're,
still
abusing
the
system
and
I
think.
Thus
we
needed
to
look
onto
this
as
well
and
also
I
can
give
you
the
just
one
example
for
the
My
Board.
It's
a
Dorset
role.
To
be
honest
with
you,
it's
a
20
mile
per
hour
and
especially
unto
the
doors
that
rolled
up
streets.
E
Is
there
like
a
true
Terrace
houses
through
Terraces
mean
they
are
mostly.
Ninety
percent
of
the
family
houses
with
the
children
and
the
people
are
even
during
the
day
like
this
times
at
doing
the
speeding
and
been
working
with
police,
especially
with
the
young
children's
are
out
and
about
crossing
the
road,
because
it's
a
long
road
off
Dorset
Road
is
a
number
of
the
streets,
comes
off
families
or
Children's
School.
You
know
across
the
road
with
the
thing
is,
and
that
is
a
really
really
dangerous.
E
E
So
many
shops
and
Hangers
attracting
to
the
peoples
to
coming
into
the
handles
could
be
late
night
after
12
o'clock
at
night,
and
especially
the
food
as
well
especially
I'm,
going
to
say,
is
about
the
Easley
Road,
it's
a
40
miles
after
11
o'clock,
even
after
eight
o'clock,
when
the
people
have
a
drink
or
try
to
get
the
food
or
something
that's
that's
other
things.
A
chair.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilor
Hussein,
councilor
Hayden
would
Gary
you
want
to
come
back
or
is
he
counselor
Hayden.
Q
Yeah,
if
I
just
come
back
on
from
a
counselor,
Hussein's
points
and
I
think
Paul
might
want
to
come
on
couple
yeah.
We
we
acknowledge
and
and
agree
that
in
certain
areas
across
the
city
outside
peak
hour,
speeding
is
a
problem
and
some
of
the
action
that
we're
taking
recently
has
been
a
result
of
being
aware
of
that
and
trying
to
respond
to
it.
So
again,
it's
about
that
communication
trying
to
change
behavior.
Isn't
it
about
why?
Q
Why
do
they
think
it's
acceptable
in
those
sort
of
hours
to
do
that?
I.
Think
enforcement,
yeah
I
think
that
clearly
has
a
role
to
play
and
I.
It's
a
bit
like
the
road
marking
and
Road
signing
Point
I'd,
certainly
like
to
do
more
Road
marketing
and
Road
signing
maintenance
work.
Q
We
do
quite
a
bit
and
it's
very
effective,
in
my
view-
it's
fairly
low
cost
per
meter,
but
obviously
the
city,
the
size
of
Leeds,
that
that
becomes
a
big
number
quite
quickly,
but
we
do
put
quite
a
bit
resource
into
that,
but
there's
always
a
wish
to
do
more
and
I'm
sure
that's
the
same
with
enforcement,
and
on
that
point
Paul
did
you
want
to
come
in?
Please.
R
I
think
the
points
you
make
are
really
helpful.
We
are
under
No
Illusion
that
we
have
a
significant
challenge
around
enforcement.
We
would
much
prefer
to
go
down
the
education
route,
but
we
reserve
the
right
to
lay
the
full
weight
of
the
law
against
these
people,
who
persistently
fail
to
adhere
to
safe
driving
practices,
and
we'll
continue
to
do
that
in
terms
of
the
communities
that
are
affected
by
these
ongoing
problems.
These
repeat
problems,
I'd,
sort
of
go
back
to
the
point
I
made
earlier.
Please
tell
us.
R
We
have
a
new
array
of
tactics
that
we
can
apply
through
the
neighbor
policing
teams
and
indeed
the
West
Yorkshire
safety,
camera
partnership
and
I'm,
talking
specifically
about
the
community
concern
deployments
that
we
make.
Currently
that's
a
really
significant
development
in
in
our
approach
to
tackling
dangerous,
inappropriate
speed.
R
I
would
just
like
to
finish
off
by
giving
you
a
flavor
of
the
scale
of
enforcement,
which
may
not
feel
is
enough
currently
from
where
you're
at,
but
in
terms
of
enforcement
across
West,
Yorkshire
and
45
of
it
occurs.
In
Leeds
last
year,
my
department
processed
248
000
defenses,
a
significant
proportion
of
which
were
from
automated
speed
cameras,
both
the
static
ones
and
mobile
ones,
about
210
000
were
safety,
camera
offenses
and
the
remainder
were
as
a
direct
result
of
officer-led
enforcement.
R
So
we're
talking
very
large
numbers
of
offenses
that
are
being
pursued,
a
proportion
of
which
result
in
driver
retraining,
some
of
which
result
in
fixed
penalty
and
Court
appearances,
and
just
to
give
you
an
indication
of
where
we
are
in
terms
of
the
national
stage.
We
clearly
are
dealing
with
big
numbers
and
outside
the
Metropolitan
Police.
We
are
the
busiest
force
in
terms
of
enforcement.
R
Please
don't
interpret
that
as
a
an
indication
that
we
necessarily
have
the
most
significant
compliance
issue.
It's
reflective
of
our
commitment
to
enforce,
detect
and
encourage
positive
driver
behavior
and
that's
important.
We
look
for
offenses,
perhaps
more
than
in
other
areas
and
therefore
detect
more
offenses.
But
yes,
there
is
still
more
to
be
done
and
in
partnership
with
the
communities
by
sharing
information
and
concerns,
we
can
focus
our
resources
where
it
can
have
the
most
effective,
reducing
Road
related
risks.
Thank
you.
Chair.
A
P
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
It's
been
an
incredibly
interesting
and
valuable
conversation
again
and
and
really
want
to
thank
the
board
actually
over
the
last
few
years.
I
think
what
Ian
said
about
the
change
in
the
conversation
with
the
council
is
very
much
driven
by
the
work
done
by
by
this
board
and
I'll
hop
yeah
I'm,
very
much
hopeful
of
the
continued
support
for
the
work.
P
That's
going
forward
from
this
board,
and
you
know
I'm
really
pleased
and
to
have
had
the
support
over
the
last
two
and
a
half
years
that
I've
been
in
in
this
role.
P
I'm
not
going
to
apologize
for
praising
Nick
for
his
work
on
the
car,
the
average
cars
and
then
the
the
red
light
card
and
the
powers
that
we've
got
in
with
Kate
and
Nick,
and
the
whole
team
like
putting
it
in.
But
I
am
incredibly
grateful
to
Paul
and
the
cup
and
the
West
Yorkshire
police,
because
if
it
hadn't
been
for
their
support
of
Nick
and
and
having
that
Visionary
and
and
looking
forward
and
saying
right,
what
can
we
do
different?
Which
Gary
mentioned?
And
what
can
we
do
different
without?
P
Without
that
from
the
police
and
their
Relentless
work
on
tackling
those
we've
just
had
the
figures
there
of
248
000,
that's
a
lot
of
police
activity
and
it's
and
the
processing
I've
got
yeah.
So
the
support
we
have
from
restaurants,
please
is
and
the
working
in
Partnership-
and
we
can't
do
this
by
ourselves-
the
council
can't
do
it.
The
police
can't
do
it
they're
by
themselves
and
all
the
other
different
organizations
can
do
so.
We
have
to
work
in
Partnership
and
across
all
these
things
and
with
the
people
of
Leeds
as
well.
P
I
think
that
perception
of
driver
Behavior
perception
of
because
I'm,
not
anti-car,
I'm
anti-people
driving
cars
badly.
You
know
so
and
I
know
I
get
the
emails
saying
you
know:
you're,
clogging
up
our
roads,
you're,
making
sure
we
can't
Council
Lane
mentioned
getting
around
the
the
city
efficiently.
That
doesn't
mean
fast,
you
know
getting
around
efficiently.
I
think
that's
a
really
good
word
to
use
and
what
is
the
best
mode
to
transport?
You
know.
P
What's
your
end
result,
if
you
drive
into
the
city
center,
you
know
where
are
you
gonna
put
the
car?
You
know
and
we've
all
got
these
balances
to
we've
got
you
know.
We've
got
a
fantastic
City
that
I
want
everyone
to
enjoy,
but
I
want
children
to
be
able
to
walk
across.
My
children
never
could
from
from
my
mum's
house
to
munston
park,
because
it's
a
30
mile
an
hour.
You
know
Road
still
my
12
year
old,
I'm,
saying
wait.
Till
Granddad
comes
out
and
Crosses
you
over.
P
So
it's
it's
about
all
of
us
and
Gary's
point
about
it's
a
maximum
speed
limit.
We
don't
have
to
drive
to
that
speed
limit
and
get
annoyed
when
we
can't
and
I
think
about
changing
all
our
behaviors
about
giving
longer
for
your
journey
so
that
you're
not
getting
stressed
so
you're.
Not
all
those
Behavior
changes.
P
The
smoking
analogy
is
really
interesting
and
if
you
told
me,
as
you
know,
19
20
year
old,
that
I'd
be
able
to
go
out
in
Leeds
and
then
and
then
not
come
home
stink
in
the
smoke
and
and
I
might
be
able
to
wear
the
same
clothes
the
next
day
because
they
don't
think
a
smoke.
I
wouldn't
have
believed
you,
but
in
2006
we
changed
all
that,
so
you
know
we
can
do
it
as
a.
We
can
have
that
behavior
change
and
actually
councilor.
They
put
the
analogy
with
smoking.
P
We've
got
rid
of
that
risk
to
passive
smoking
that
that
used
to,
but
you're
much
more
likely
when
you're,
speeding
to
kill
somebody
else
as
well
as
yourself
and
that's
why
we
have
to
tackle
this
as
a
public
health,
because
that
death
is
instantaneous.
It
doesn't
build
up
over
years
of
somebody
going
into
a
pub
where
there's
too
much
smoke
it's
here
and
now
and
it's
children
and
the
amount
of
children
is
increasing
and,
and
that
is
a
that
is
a
a
tragedy,
but
it's
preventable.
You
know,
as
somebody
who.
P
No
you
know
that
chair
mentioned
about
child
loss
and
having
experienced
that,
but
in
a
way
that
could
not
be
presented.
P
A
I
will
make
reference
to
the
graduated
driver's
license
on
behalf
of
the
board
to
write
a
letter
and
I
would
also
be
seeking
my
opposition
members
as
well
and
with
your
support,
as
well
with
your
name
to
that
letter
regarding
the
graduated
driver's
license,
and
we
will
continue
to
push
and
I
would
also
like
you
Ian,
to
join
us
in
signing
that
letter.
If
that
is
okay,
so,
on
behalf
of
the
board,
just
want
to
say
a
huge
thank
you
again
from
the
bottom
of
our
hearts.
A
Each
and
every
one
of
you,
West
Yorkshire
police
officers,
Neil
from
West
York
from
waica.
Thank
you,
our
able
officers
who
have
been
doing
a
fantastic
job
and
thank
you
for
your
report,
of
which
the
contents
are
duly
noted
and
just
to
continue
to
reiterate
the
board's
support
for
Vision
zero,
and
we
would
be
expecting
an
update
on
this
agenda
in
the
new
Municipal
Year
and
that
will
be
next
year.
So
thank
you
once
again,
you're
not
permitted
to
leave.
A
If
you
don't
mind
so
that
we
can
just
quietly
finish
up
agenda
items,
number
nine
and
ten
we're
not
going
to
belong
so
over
to
Becky
for
agenda
item
number
nine.
Thank
you
very
much.
Foreign.
L
A
That
was
very
brief.
Thank
you
very
much
just
before
we
finish.
A
So
can
I
ask
all
board
members
to
remain
after
this
for
a
lovely
photo
with
Cal
so
that
he
can
put
Us
beside
his
bed
and
remember
us
for
all
for
all
the
times
that
he
has
served
the
council
so
Carl
on
behalf
of
the
scrutiny
board
for
infrastructure
structure,
investment
and
inclusive
growth,
we
want
to
say
a
huge
thank
you.
I
know
he's
watching.
This
is
a
huge
thank
you
to
to
you
for
all
your
years
of
service,
to
lead
city,
council
and,
of
course,
to
this
board.
A
So
we
are
really
grateful
and
we
wish
you
every
good
luck
as
you
retire,
but
don't
be
too
tired
and
come
back
if
you
get
bored.
So
thank
you
all
for
coming.
Our
next
ordinary
meeting
will
take
place
on
I
believe
the
7th
of
November
1st
of
November
wow,
the
very
first
day
of
November
at
10
30,
and
there
will
be
a
pre-meeting
for
all
the
board
at
10
15..
We
also
have
a
calling
meeting
member.
So
it's
not
the
end
of
today.