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A
A
We
are
the
second
such
meeting
following
exec
board
on
monday.
The
meeting
is
now
being
broadcast,
live
on
lead
city
council's
youtube
channel.
So
a
warm
welcome
to
anyone
tuning
in
through
youtube.
A
It's
been
an
unprecedented
period
since
march,
and
the
financial
challenge
created
by
lost
income
and
additional
expenditure
resulting
from
the
pandemic
has
created
a
major
budget
challenge
for
us
to
work
through
and
manage
it's
clear
that
the
council
has
responded
extremely
well
to
the
pandemic
in
terms
of
keeping
services
operational
and
finding
new
ways
of
working
and
a
great
deal
of
credit
goes
out
to
those
that
have
been
working
hard
to
keep
the
council
operation
throughout
this
difficult
period.
I'd
like
to
register
my
thanks
and
thanks
on
behalf
of
the
board.
C
Hi
council
peter
covenant.
A
Thank
you
all
and
now
for
our
three
guests
over
to
council,
james
lewis,.
H
A
Thank
you,
james
neil
evans,.
A
C
Under
agenda
item
one,
there
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents
under
agenda
item
2.
There
are
no
items
which
require
the
exclusion
of
the
press
and
public
under
agenda
item
3.
There
are
no
late
items
of
business
agenda
item
four.
Could
I
ask
members
to
declare
any
disclosable
pecuniary
interests.
A
Thank
you,
debbie,
okay,
so
we'll
move
on
to
item
six
on
the
agenda.
That's
the
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting
held
on
the
first
of
july.
Do
members
accept
these
minutes
as
a
true
record
I'll
assume
correct?
Thank
you,
sam
I'll,
assume,
correct
and
less
indicated.
Otherwise,
okay
are
there
any
matters
arising
from
those
minutes?
A
Excellent.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
we'll
now
move
on
to
agenda
item
seven,
which
focuses
on
the
financial
out
turn
from
2019
2020.
I'll,
ask
victoria
or
neil
to
do
a
brief
presentation
before
opening
up
to
questions
and
comments
from
board
members
council.
Louise.
If
you
wish
to
make
a
comment
at
the
start
of
each
item,
please
let
me
know.
D
Lead
out
I'll
I'll
present
the
report,
if
that's
okay.
Thank
you
thank
you.
So,
as
I
said,
this
is
the
out
turn
position
for
the
financial
year,
2000
and
1920,
and
it
reports
an
overspend
position
of
290
000
which,
when
compared
to
a
net
revenue
budget
of
516.7
million,
demonstrates
good
financial
management
across
the
directorates,
and
it
does,
however,
highlight
pressures
that
were
highlighted
throughout
the
year.
D
However,
we
did
have
robust
action
plans
on
to
bring
those
backing
back
into
within
the
budget
that
was
approved
at
full
council.
This
was
an
improved
position
on
the
previous
report,
4.1
million
and
the
details
in
the
report
that
how
this
was
mitigated.
D
The
collection
fund
has
shown
a
deficit
of
5.5
million
and
and
the
collection
rates
for
both
council
tax
and
business
rates
did
slightly
reduce
at
the
end
of
the
financial
year,
but
that
was
mainly
due
to
the
impact
of
covid,
because
we're
just
starting
to
experience
that
the
report
also
details
that
we
did
start
to
undertake
some
to
experience
some
pressures
from
covid
and
it
was
around
about
a
2.6
million
pressure
was
identified
in
the
report.
D
However,
for
2019
1920,
we
did
fund
that
from
the
grant
that
we
received
from
central
government,
and
this
meant
that
of
the
funding
that
we
had
at
that
point,
which
was
43.7
million.
We
used
2.64
to
cover
the
covid
pressure
and
the
remaining
is
being
used
in
2021,
and
the
report
also
goes
into
details
about
the
general
reserves
and
there
has
been
an
increase
in
the
reserves
as
at
the
31st
march
2020,
and
that
was
planned
for
the
period.
D
However,
we
did
use
some
of
the
reserves
because
we
had
a
shortfall
in
the
capital
receipts
for
last
year
and
therefore
the
contribution
budgeted
was
4.5
million.
We
actually
increased
the
results
by
3.5
million
and
but
the
details
are
in
the
report.
Okay,
thank
you.
G
I
do
chair,
thank
you.
I
wrote
to
you
about.
The
welcome
to
yorkshire
grant
was
given
for
the
business
rates
pool,
and
I
note
that
the
report
on
page
20
mentions
the
business
rates
pool
so
it
as
agreed
in
the
premier.
It
seems
an
appropriate
time
to
bring
those
up.
I
believe
that
that
letter
has
been
shared
with
neil
and
victoria,
but
if
it's
helpful,
I
will
run
through
the
six
questions.
Is
that
okay,
chair.
G
Refreshed
yeah
for
me
too
so
question
one:
have
the
executive
member
of
our
office
has
seen
the
welcome
to
the
yorkshire
account
question
two:
what
assurances
were
council
given
on
welcome
to
yorkshire
spending
from
the
grant
question
three:
was
the
1.4
million
in
the
pool
allocated
for
something
else
that
will
go
ahead?
Question
four
is
statement
coming
from
council
on
what
was
agreed
question
five:
what's
the
decision-making
process
for
the
business
rates
pool
and
are
there
minutes
available
to
be
reviewed
and
question
six?
What
are
the
leftover
money
is
in
the
pool.
D
Those
shall
I
start
with
the
initial
responses
to
the
questions.
Council
harlan.
Yes,
please,
victoria.
Thank
you.
I
will
be
a
moment.
Thank
you,
so,
just
to
take
each
question
in
turn.
D
The
first
question
was
whether
we'd
seen
the
welcome
to
yorkshire
accounts
and
the
accounts
are
actually
been
for
an
18-month
period
and
they
are
being
audited
by
an
external
audit.
So
I
think
it's
grant
thornton.
Once
that
audit
has
been
completed,
then
we
would
have
cited
those
accounts.
D
I
think
that
was
the
first
question
and
there
was
also
around
the
welcome
to
yorkshire
assurances
that
around
how
the
funding
has
been
spent
and
used.
There
is
a
business
case
around
welcome
to
yorkshire
and
how
the
funding
is
used
and
that
business
case
would
have
been
gone
to
the
marches
full
meeting.
D
However,
that
didn't
take
place,
but
due
to
covert
19
and
therefore
now
because
of
kovic
19,
the
business
case
has
been
amended
and
all
the
yorkshire
authorities
have
been
party
to
the
development
of
the
new
business
case
and
have
had
sight
of
that,
and
so
there
are
assurances
around
what
the
funding
is
to
be
used
for
and
spent.
D
And
the
third
question
was:
was
the
1.4
million
of
the
business
rates
pool
allocated
for
something
else?
The
answer
is
no,
and
the
surplus
on
the
business
raised
upon
pool
was
to
1920
was
to
be
distributed
to
the
member
authorities
in
accordance
with
the
the
agreement,
and
that
was
already
in
place.
D
I
think
the
is
it.
The
fourth
question
was
around:
what
is
the
decision
making
for
spending
money
from
the
business
rates
pool
that,
prior
to
the
end
of
the
financial
year,
that
the
decisions
were
made
by
the
joint
committee
and
the
joint
committee
was
made
up
of
all
the
leaders
from
from
the
member
authorities
that
all
the
minutes
and
papers
from
those
minutes
from
those
meetings
are
being
published
on
the
council's
website?.
D
So,
and
I
think
it
says
that
what
other,
whatever
the
money
was
left
over
from
the
business
rates
pool
that
will
be
returned
to
the
member
authorities,
and
then
we
know
that
lead
share
is
being
allocated
to
the
the
reap
project
for
our
share.
So
I
think
that
answers
the
initial
questions.
I
Yeah
just
a
couple
of
things,
so
I
believe
I
went
to
yorkshire's
meeting
later
this
week
to
discuss
its
future
plans
and
councillor
lewis,
and
I
were
at
at
a
meeting
where
the
chief
exec
presented
to
yorkshire
and
humber
leaders
with
a
much
changed
approach,
which
is
which
is
massively
reducing
the
the
amount
of
expenditure
they
they
have.
I
People
will
probably
be
aware
that
they're
going
through
redundancies
and
are
shifting
very
much
to
a
digital
platform
going
going
forward
and
pulling
back
on
many
of
the
the
previous
pieces
of
work
that
they
that
they
have
done
so
so
I
think
we're
pretty
convinced
that
they
have
stripped
it
back
to
to
to
really
pretty
much
the
bare
minimum.
There
are
a
number
of
things
which
they
have
got
commitments
to,
including
you
know,
lease
on
a
building
which
can't
be
can't
be
executed
from.
I
So
I
think
it
was
a
decision,
it's
a
decision
in
a
way
for
all
authorities
about
whether
they
believe
it
is
in
the
interests
of
yorkshire
to
have
something
which
promotes
tourism
as
as
a
whole,
and
it's
kind
of
felt
that
the
the
business
pool
and
what
was
left
of
the
business
was
was
an
appropriate
via
is
an
appropriate
vehicle
to
to
use
to
to
fund
that
to
fund
that
work.
I
I
think,
as
victoria
indicated,
the
situation
is
has
been
very
much
disrupted
by
like
by
calvin,
obviously
of
not
only
just
their
own
operations,
but
actually
some
of
the
decision-making
processes.
So
I
think
we
will
have
to
kind
of.
We
haven't
finally
done
the
decision.
I
A
Thank
you,
neil
james,
have
you
got
anything
you'd
like
to
add
at
this
stage.
H
I
think
at
this
stage
I've
just
sort
of
really
underlined
the
point
that
neil
has
just
made
in
that
there
hasn't.
H
Although
a
lot
of
councils
in
yorkshire,
including
north
yorkshire,
county
council,
have
indicated
an
intention
that
we'd,
like
the
work
that
welcome
to
yorkshire,
does
or
is
planning
to
and
is
planning
to
do
to
continue,
particularly
given
the
sort
of
real
economic
need
to
give
a
boost
to
our
hospitality
and
whatnot
sector.
We
haven't
made,
as
nobody
else
has,
a
final
decision
on
on
funding
welcome
to
yorkshire.
H
I
like
to
say
it
is
clearly
our
our
intention
and
like,
as
neil
said,
we
attended
a
a
meeting
with
new
presentation,
a
presentation
from
the
new
chief
executive,
and
I
think
their
approach
going
forward
is
to
be
much
more
down
to
earth
and
humble
than
perhaps
I
have
been
in
the
past,
and
I
think
that's
something
we'd
all
welcome
but,
like
I
say
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
what
we
need
to
happen
over
the
next
few
months,
like
you
say,
we
need
to
see
what
the
outcome
of
their
next
set
of
meetings
is
and
then
look
at.
H
G
Thanks
chair,
yes,
I
think
we
all
agree
that
welcome
to
yorkshire
done
well
is
a
real
asset
to
the
whole
of
yorkshire,
not
just
west
yorkshire
as
well,
and
I'm
particularly
aware
that
this
set
of
funding
is
the
business
rich
pool
is
around
west
yorkshire,
follow-up
question
or
two
photos.
If
I
may,
from
what's
being
said,
there
was
a
that
was
originally
applied
for
on
that
grant
has
been
amended
through
covid.
Is
that
the
case,
and
is
it
now
a
lesser
amount?
I
I
What
we've
got
is
situation
where
they
are
contracting
the
amount
that
they
are
going
to
be
spending
by
an
enormous
amount,
so
they
are
shrinking
in
size
and
changing
their
their
their
offer
to
a
digital
offer
to
and
make
it
being
much
more
much
tighter
as
an
organization
in
terms
of
costs.
I
However,
what
I'm
also
conscious
of
is
the
their
subscriptions
from
things
like
bed
and
breakfasts
and
hotels
and
all
the
private
people
that
they
normally
get
small
amounts
from,
but
nevertheless
kind
of
add
up
to
a
significant
contribution
has
dropped
away
dramatically
during
during
this
last
few
months,
with
with
the
impact
of
covid,
so
their
reliance
in
the
short
term
upon
public
sector
funds,
as
a
proportion
of
their
funding
will
go
up
and
they
and
and
they
do
need
support
from
the
public
sector
to
get
through
this
next.
I
You
know
well
this
this
pandemic
frankly
and
and
that,
but
then
clearly
their
plan
is
to
actually
rebalance
that
going
forward
by
bringing
private
sector
back
on
board.
And
you
know
their
plans
are
doing
things
like
looking
at
sort
of
directing
people
to
the
hotels
and
and
tourist
attractions
within
the
within
the
area
and
looking
at
how
that
that
can
actually
actually
drive
income
in
the
future.
But
but,
as
I
say
in
the
short
term,
they
will
be,
I
think,
highly
dependent
on
the
public
sector.
D
I
can
confirm
that
the
amount
that
is
being
requested
for
this
financial
year
is
the
same
as
as
last
financial
year.
But
it's
because
of
the
reasons
that
neil
highlighted
previously.
G
Perhaps
an
update
could
come
back
to
the
board
on
this
at
a
later
date.
Once
we
know
what
the
final
decision
is
and
we
could
have
a
list
of
the
spending
from
the
business
rates
pool
just
so
that
the
board
are
aware
of
what
other
spends
are
going.
A
D
Thank
you
chess.
This
is
the
treasury
management
out
turn
report
for
1920,
so
this
shows
that
we
have
a
net
external
debt
position
of
2.162
billion,
and
but
that's
compared
against
council
assets
of
5.6
billion.
D
We
had
an
average
interest
rate
for
the
year
for
1920
of
3.3
percent
and
and
we
did
during
1920,
make
savings
on
the
treasury
management
much
to
2.8
million
through
locking
into
some
longer
term
borrowing,
and
so
we
moved
from
short
term
to
long
term
locks
in
at
lower
rates.
D
For
that
period,
however,
I
would
say
that
interest
rates,
inflation
and
employment
levels
now
are
unknown
commodity,
and
so
therefore
we
are
moving
into
an
environment,
that's
unprecedented
and
therefore
we
are
we're
not
undertaking
any
further
borrowing
at
the
moment,
but
obviously
that
position
will
might
change
as
we
move
through
the
year
and
we
did
operate
in
1920
within
the
authorized
and
operational
limits,
and
I
think
those
are
the
main
points
from
the
report.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Thank
you,
victoria
neymar
james.
Have
you
got
anything
to
add.
H
Just
no,
I
don't
think
so
at
this
stage.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
questions
matthew.
G
Thanks
chair,
I
really
don't
want
to
monopolize
this
for
an
hour
thanks
to
victoria
for
that
report
within
the
previous
item.
What
we're
talking
about
is
selling
capital
receipts
to
be
able
to
help
pay
down
our
debt.
What
how
much
of
our
capital
receipts
are
we
seeking
to
sell
off
because
that
will
obviously
affect
our
asset
base?
G
It's
question
one
and
question
two,
and
I
don't
expect
victoria
to
know
it
off
the
top
of
her
head,
but
if
she
does
I'll
be
incredibly
impressed
is
what
is
our
exposure
to
for
boring
through
the
chinese
banks,
given
the
instability
at
the
moment
with
the
situation
and
the
potential
for
tariffs
to
be
put
in
place,
etc,.
E
A
D
Victoria,
thank
you.
I
was
going
to
say
no
pressure
there,
the
capital
receipts.
We
were
assuming
48
million
for
this
financial
year
to
help
with
the
the
repayments
of
the
debt
position.
Obviously,
that
has
changed
due
to
the
current
situation,
and
so
we
are
forecasting
a
pressure
in
that
area
which
is
adding
which
is
included
in
the
next
report.
That's
on
the
agenda
and
the
exposure
to
the
chinese
banks,
I'm
afraid.
D
G
No
thank
you
for
that.
Can
we
just
confirm
as
well
that
the
assets
that
are
there
includes
things
like
school
buildings?
That's
on
our
asset
list
register.
So
there
are
certain
items
that
are
assets
that
we
would
be
unlikely
to
ever
want
to
sell
off.
D
That
is
correct.
Within
that
5.6
billion
there
are
assets
that
we
would
we
wouldn't
sell
off,
and
it
does
include
the
schools
that
haven't
converted
to
academics,
and
it
was
it's
within
that
figure.
C
H
Chair
very
quickly,
just
very
quickly
on
that
one
around
school
asset
says
it's
full
on
victoria.
Obviously,
where,
where
schools
convert
to
academy,
we
give
them
the
assets.
So
we
do
actually
give
away
some
of
those
assets
for
nothing
to
schools
that
convert
to
academy.
So,
as
you
know,
as
we
see
a
a
great
move
towards
academy
schools
and
like
I
say
that
sexual
asset
base
will
deplete
as
we
have
to
give
the
school
buildings
away.
F
Thank
you,
chair
victoria,
just
two
questions.
One
of
them
you
mentioned
that
the
average
interest
rate
is
three
point.
Was
it
two
point
two
percent
or
three
point
three
percent?
That
does
seem
extraordinary
high
at
the
moment
where
you
can
almost
borrow
at
zero
interest.
F
I
know
we're
trying
to
change
that
by
laying
off
and
get
cheaper
rates,
but
it
does
seem
to
be
high
and
my
other
question
is
you
mentioned
that
we
had
assets
of
over
5
billion
and
that's
of
two
something
billion
does
not
make
us
in
good
financial
health
or
what
really
is
the
value
of
those
assets?
I
guess
in
dire
circumstances.
We
could
sell
them,
but
given
given
the
the
state
of
things
on
the
pandemic,
maybe
that
5
billion
isn't
quite
what
we
could
achieve.
D
Victoria,
okay,
thank
you
and
first
question
around
the
interest
rates.
The
3.3
is
the
average
interest
paid,
so
we
do
have
some
historical
loans
that
we
took
out
a
number
of
years
ago
when
interest
rates
will
be
higher
and
but
we
are
taking
advantage
of
the
lower
interest
rates
that
we're
currently
experiencing
and
we
did
undertake
last
year
some
unprecedented
low
interest
rates.
So
we
took
some
loans
on
on
the
longer
term
that
we're
at
low
er
interest
rate
basis,
and
so
that's
why
she's
an
average
over
the
whole
portfolio
of
debt.
D
So
that's
why
it
might
seem
higher
than
some
of
the
interest
rates
that
we
can
currently
look
in
at
in
regard
to
the
asset
base.
I
think
there's
two
parts
to
the
question.
The
first
is
that
when
you
compare
the
current
the
council
to
a
private
sector
company,
we
are
low
gears.
So
that
means
that
we
haven't
the
amount
of
bond
that
we've
got
against
our
assets
is,
is
quite
low
compared
to
a
private
sector
company.
D
D
It
is
a
good
position
from
that
that
perspective
in
regards
to
the
value
of
those
assets
and
we
have
just
closed
the
accounts
for
2019,
20
and
they're
currently
on
deposit
the
auditors
are
in
at
the
moment
and
they
are
having
a
look
at
asset
values
and
but
because
of
the
number
of
transactions
that
were
taking
place
around
the
time
of
the
end
of
the
financial
year,
it
was
very
difficult
to
say
whether
the
value
of
those
assets
is
reduced
or
maintained,
and
we
will
be
looking
at
that
again
it's
september,
but
at
the
moment
it
does
look
like
values
have
haven't
materially
reduced,
and
but
we
are
looking
at
the
transactions
that
are
going
through,
because
that
does
help
inform
us
okay,
so
it
has
been
reviewed.
F
I
I
do
chair
and
I
thank
victoria
for
those
full
very
full
answers
very
reassuring
and
we
shall
keep
an
eye
on
the
true
value
of
our
assets.
Obviously,
but
it
does
still
seem
coming
back
to
the
interest
rate
of
3.3.
F
It
does
seem
very
funny.
I
mean
we
can
almost
borrow
now
at
zero
percent
or
you
know
0.1.3
has
any
consideration
have
been
given
to
paying
off
this
historically
high
interest
rates,
loans
and
borrowing
borrowing
that
money
at
a
much
lower
rate.
It
does
seem
to
me
extremely
high
3.3.
F
D
Thanks,
thank
you
chair.
We
do
look
at
the
loans
at
the
loan
book
constantly
and
and
we
are
looking
for
opportunities.
I
Yeah
I
mean
just
to
give
a
bit
of
a
flavour.
Victoria
can
correct
my
figures,
I'm
sure,
but
I
think
we
were
approaching
nearly
500
million,
which
was
shifted
last
year
from
a
long
to
short,
long
to
short
to
lower
rates,
so
that
exercise
is
has
gone
forward
in
an
unprecedented
way
over
this
last
12
months
or
so,
and
it
has
delivered
very
significant
revenue
savings
for
us
as
well
as
victoria
says
we
are.
I
We
are
sometimes
tied
in
with
p
with
penalties
and
clearly
when
people
were
taking
out
loans
for
four
or
five
percent
30
years
ago,
they
were
probably
regarded
as
a
bargain,
then,
where
interest
rates
will
probably
remember
might
be
touching
10
plus
at
various
points.
During
that
period,.
A
F
Yes,
I
am
chair
as
long
as
these
things
are
kept
under
review,
which
victoria
has
assured
me
they
will
be.
It
does
seem
to
me
that
every
opportunity
we
have
to
reduce
the
3.3
on
average,
you
know
which
is
too
high,
and
I
know
it's
historical,
but
every
opportunity
we
have
we
should
take.
F
A
Thank
you,
jim
I'm
not
seeing
any
more
questions.
So
thank
you
for
those
comments
and
we'll
move
on
now
to
the
more
substantive
agenda
item.
I
would
say
that
would
probably
get
more
questions
on
this
one
than
the
last
last
couple.
That's
the
agenda
item
nine
dealing
with
the
impact
of
corvid
19
on
the
council's
financial
position,
so
victoria
neil
and
james
any
comments
you
need
to
to
make
and
then
we'll
go
into
questions.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
chair,
and
I
would
start
by
saying
this
is
an
unprecedented
position
and
that
the
council
set
a
robust
budget
position,
but
obviously
we
are
experiencing
significant
increases
in
expenditure
and
losses
of
income
from
the
impact
of
covert.
You
can
see
in
table
one
that
we
are
currently
projecting
point
193.4
point
five
million
overspend
that
is
before
in
that
that
is
before
government
grants
and
it
comes
over
the
two
years.
D
So
for
this
position
is
updated
constantly
and
we're
doing
monthly
reports.
So
you
will.
This
committee
will
receive
updated
positions
where
we're
working
hard
to
reduce
the
expenditure.
That's
been
forecast
enough,
so
the
income
assumptions
on
the
budget
that
position
does
take
into
consideration
the
collection
fund
impact.
So
this
is
where
we're
forecasting
and
business
rates
and
council
tax
reductions
from
collection
and
and
those
are
will
be
held
in
the
collection
fund
and
now
on
this
report,
we
we
were
assuming
that
that
would
impact
in
21.
D
So
as
we're
getting
more
information
through
we're
reforecasting,
what
we
think
is
going
to
happen
around
council
tax,
the
number
of
people
who
are
eligible
for
supporting
their
council
tax
and
therefore
won't
be
experiencing
the
liability,
also
having
a
keen
eye
on
on
business
rates
and
what's
happening
to
businesses
in
in
the
in
the
region,
see
around
the
payment
of
those.
Those
rates
will
have
an
impact.
So
at
this
point
this
report
was
written.
D
We
were
forecasting
and
a
60.9
million
reduction
in
that
area,
but
that
has
been
revised
and
downwards.
D
So
I
would
say
that
the
main
concern
and
for
us
is
obviously
the
ongoing
impact
as
well
for
21-22,
and
there
is
for
the
financial
year
21-22,
and
there
is
an
awful
lot
of
work
at
the
moment.
Looking
at
how
we
can
mitigate
this
unprecedented
position
that
we're
now
facing.
So
I
think
if
I
leave
it
there
and
just
open
it
up
to
questions
council
harlan,
please.
D
A
Sorry,
neil
james,
would
you
like
to
editing
at
this
stage.
I
The
only
point
I'd
make
I
could,
I
think,
victoria
sort
of
indicated
it,
but
this
is
subject
to
a
huge
amount
of
assumptions
and
therefore
there
will
be
big
swings.
I
think,
between
different
months,
in
a
way
that
we're
not
used
to
and
you're
not
used
to
seeing
so
I'm
anticipating
next
month,
we
will
show
quite
a
marked
reduction.
I
We've
got.
We've
been
working
hard
to
try
to
get
the
figures
down
as
much
as
we
can,
but
clearly
there
are.
There
are
just
lots
of
unknown
issues,
so,
for
example,
you
know
sports
centers
will
reopen
in
in
august.
We
don't
know
what
level
of
uptake
there
will
be.
It
will
be
it's
just
an
absolute
best
guess
at
this
moment
in
time,
and
that
will
go
for
for
for
many
other
kind
of
income
streams
as
well.
So
it's
just
to
to
kind
of
caution.
I
H
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Questions.
B
Thank
you
chair.
My
question
is
around
obviously
we're
going
through
unprecedented
times,
and
we
all
appreciate
that,
and
we
don't
know
what
the
new
normal
is
going
to
be
as
well
with
regards
to
our
staff,
and
you
know,
coming
to
the
offices
and
using
the
the
transport
facilities
and
so
on.
So
on
what
soft
projections
have
we
got
in
terms
of
some
of
the
savings
in
terms
of
you
know
in
terms
of
fuel
and
in
terms
of
eating
and
other
costs
as
well
of
the
premises?
B
If,
if
god
forbid,
this
does
continue
into
into
october
november
kind
of
thing,
please
think
this
year.
D
Thank
you,
chad,
there
is.
There
is
a
lot
of
work
being
undertaken
with
directors
and
identifying
the
savings
and
from
those
areas,
and
at
the
moment
we
are
forecasting
in
at
period
one.
It
was
a
4.1
million
impact.
We
have
reviewed
that
over
the
last
two
months
and
we're
forecasting
4.7
million
and
saving,
which
is
as
a
as
a
an
outcome
of
the
probit
19,
and
that's
where,
where
we
are
at
the
moment.
B
Yeah,
may
I
just
also
quickly
sort
of
inquire
for
for
our
knowledge,
what
are
what
might
be
the
other
if
you
like,
side,
impacts
of
that
as
well,
because,
obviously,
along
with
all
the
the
the
financial
negatives
that
we've
got,
there
might
be
some
other
aspects
where
we're
making
some
savings
as
well
just
just
from
a
knowledge
in
terms
of
you
know,
because,
obviously
some
some
of
these
savings
are
visible
in
terms
of
fuel,
that
premises
and
heating
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
B
D
I
think
there'll
be
opportunities
that
we
are
looking
at
at
the
moment
across
the
whole
of
the
council.
I
think
you've
covered
the
main
ones
around
like
the
assets
and
the
transports,
the
savings
from
the
buildings
etc,
and
I
don't
know
if
neil
wants
to
add
anything
further
thanks
victoria
neil.
I
Yeah
I
mean
there
clearly
are
things
which
we
aren't
doing
like
events
which
you
know,
which
would
ordinarily
have
cost,
but
there
are
also
things
like
paper
and
everybody's
got
used
to
electronic
transactions
and
so
forth.
So
there
are
things
which
come
out
of
that.
I
think
the
other
the
other.
The
other
point
is
that
we
are
also
get
reviewing
more
now
on
a
long
term
basis,
what
our
requirements
for
buildings
will
be
longer
to
them.
I
So
I
think,
on
the
basis
that
we
are
we're
getting
something
like
an
80
percent
of
staff,
have
said
that
they
would
feel
that
they
could
work
more
than
half
their
time
at
home.
On
the
basis
of
you
know
what
they've
experienced
over
this
last
few
months
now,
we
clearly
need
to
take
a
view
about
whether
that's
as
effective
as
being
in
the
office
and-
and
you
know
the
judgments
have
to
be
made.
I
But
I
don't
think
anybody
probably
thinks
that
we
will,
even
if
we
find
a
full
solution
to
this,
go
back
to
a
position
where
the
majority
everybody's
working
you
know
monday
to
friday,
and
therefore
our
asset
base
will
need
to
to
change
to
to
reflect
that
and
in
a
way
we
probably
shift
towards
places
where
people
can
can
actually
meet
up
and
collaborate,
rather
than
necessarily
be
sat
at
a
desk,
doing
work
which
actually
they've
been
happy
actually
doing
effectively
from
home.
I
So
so
there
are
there's,
there
are
short-term
savings
around
it,
but
there
are
also
long-term.
I
think
adjustments
which
we'll
make
which
which
we
need.
You
know
to
to
take
advantage
of
this
experience.
You
know
that's
kind
of
like
a
more
kind
of
more
positive
side
of
it.
I
G
Thanks
chair
two
questions:
please,
if
that's
okay,
the
first
one
is
given
that
the
powers
are
being
made
available
for
local
lockdowns
to
take
place.
Is
the
council
setting
a
reserve
or
a
local
lockdown
budget
in
case
something
happens
here
in
leeds
or
is
there
a
wider
plan
to
do
that
in
west
yorkshire
and
the
second
area?
G
Is
the
council
has
looked
at
the
past
at
rolling
out
ultra-fast
broadband
to
council
buildings
and
using
the
network
to
then
expand
that
out
to
the
local
neighborhoods
around
them,
given
that
we
may
be
selling
some
of
those
buildings
or
the
staff
won't
be
in
them
in
the
same
way?
Is
that
plan
being
reviewed,
especially
as
we
all
know
now,
access
to
high-speed
broadband
is
more
important
than
ever.
I
Yeah,
I
could
probably
go
at
both,
so
just
the
first
one,
the
last
one
first,
so
we
are
proceeding
with
the
work
around
the
rollout
of
a
superfast
broadband
and
using
our
asset
base
for
it
we
are,
we
are
taking
into
account,
as
as
council
robinson
is
asking
what
we
may
come
out
of.
I
think,
however,
the
primary
kind
of
network
is
particularly
linked
to
things
like
the
school,
the
school
network
that
we
have
and
primary
schools
and
so
forth.
I
So
it
does
actually
give
a
very
good
distribution
right
across
the
city
you
know
given
given
the
reach
of
primary
schools,
which
is
still
largely
connected
to
to
the
council
in
which
aren't
in
in
academies.
I
So
I
I
think,
actually
I'm
still
pretty
optimistic,
that,
despite
what
I've
just
said,
we
will
get
a
very
good
rollout
across
the
city
which
will
which
will
help
both
us
as
a
council,
but
also
more
broadly,
the
city
with
its
economic
recovery
in
terms
of
local
outbreaks.
I
mean
being
frank
with
you
here.
The
our
position
is
not
about
being
able
to
set
a
reserve,
it's
actually
the
gap
which
we
actually
have
in
our
finances.
I
Full
stop.
So
I
think
a
local
outbreak,
if
actually
that
led
to
further
problems
around
business
rates
and
so
forth.
That
will
add
that
will
add
to
our
problems
and
it's
probably
possibly
a
piece
of
work.
We
need
to
do
to
kind
of
look
at
estimating
what
that
impact
would
be,
but
we
haven't
been
in
position
to
actually
make
provision
for
it
because,
as
we're
reporting
at
the
moment,
we've
got
actually
unresolved
budget
gaps
both
this
year
and
and
going
into
next.
F
Thanks
jeff,
I
think
neil
has
answered
one
of
my
questions,
so
I
won't
dwell
on
that,
but
to
victoria
it
it
does
seem
an
improving
position,
which
is
heartening,
but
a
long
way
to
go.
We're
not
out
of
the
woods
yet.
I
just
wanna
victoria
is
any
of
our
shortfalling
council
tax
payments
recover
recoverable
next
year
or
21
or
22..
F
I
know
the
government
have
put
money
into
for
businesses,
but
there
still
must
be
a
very
high
degree
of
non-payment,
and
you
know
people
who
have
paid
their
council
tax
would
like
to
think
that
there
is
some
plan
to
try
to
recover
it.
Thank
you,
chair
thanks
jim.
D
Thank
you
chair,
there's
two
elements
to
this
to
the
side
of
the
council
tax
and
forecast.
So
the
first
is
around,
like
you,
said,
the
num
recovery
of
people
who
were
due,
who
were
liable
for
their
council
tax
and
we
will
be
recommencing
and
pursuing
that
the
debt
where
it
is
due.
D
However,
the
projections
that
we're
forecasting
going
forward
for
next
financial
year
and
future
years
is
around
those
people
who
won't
be
liable
for
council
tax
going
forward
because
they
will
unfortunately,
and
we're
expecting
increased
numbers
in
on
people
being
made
unemployed
and
therefore
they
would
and
be
eligible
for
council
tax
support
from
the
council,
and
that
therefore
has
a
knocking
knock-on
effect
impact
of
affecting
our
council
tax
base
and
that's
the
projections
that
we're
showing
going
forward.
D
So
I
think
that
answers
the
two
parts.
Thank
you.
E
E
Thank
you,
chair
just
going
back
to
council
almost
point
about
potential
savings,
and
these
might
be
longer
term
ones
rather
than
short-term
zones.
But
from
what
I'm
hearing
in
adult
and
health
scrutiny
is
that
the
partnership
working
was
outstanding
and
it
it
was
due
to
a
really
strong
base
before
we
went
into
this
pandemic
and
into
this
really
uncertain
times.
So
they
just
all
the
all
the
trust
plus
adult
social
care,
plus
the
third
sector,
just
went
into
action
completely
together
now
in
in
terms
of
finances.
E
A
truly
joint
commissioning
has
taken
about
three
months
because
of
you
know
so
those
potential
savings
of
working
together
and
sharing
the
broader
pot
of
money
in
adults,
health
and
now
that's
not
to
say
that
if
we
have
to
find
savings,
we
are
the
biggest
taker
of
money
from
the
from
the
council
budget.
So
in
terms
of
adult
social
care.
A
Thank
you
for
that
helen.
Would
anybody
want
to
respond
to
that
james.
H
I
think
I'll
start
by
noting
on
adult
social
care.
Obviously
it's
an
area
where,
without
covered
we'd,
seen
huge
financial
pressure.
As
helen
mentioned,
it's
our
biggest
area
of
spending
as
a
council,
and
we
were
still
being
I'm
looking
for
a
a
longer-term
solution.
H
That
means
adult
social
care
is
funded
fairly
and
it
doesn't
have
a
disproportionate
impact
on
our
budget,
both
in
terms
of
the
overall
spending
and
also
the
risks
that
occur
in
adult
social
care
that
we
know
coming
from
over
time
had
just
looking
at
the
budget
going
forward
had
with
or
without
covered.
We
know
that
we're
starting
a
new
spending
settlement
phase
in
april
next
year,
which
is
the
government's
allocation
of
resource
to
all
government
departments,
including
obviously,
health,
social
care
and
local
government.
H
I
think
one
of
the
pieces
of
outcomes
we
were
looking
for
that
was
a
a
a
longer-term
settlement
on
social
care
funding.
So
helen's
right,
I
think,
there's
been
a
lot
of
good
work
in
in
recent
months
around
working
closely
with
partners
in
the
health
and
social
care
setting,
but
I
do
think
we
need
again
whether
without
covered,
we
needed
a
longer-term
settlement
on
funding
around
that
air
and
that's
something
that
I
know
it's
not
as
immediate
as
perhaps
some
of
the
financial
challenges.
H
But
as
we
look
across
the
council's
long-term
financial
strategy
is
something
we
need
to
work.
Let's
say
with
our
partners
in
the
city
and
with
the
government
to
get
a
settlement
on.
C
Yeah
I've
got
two
points,
one
on
page
88
at
the
bottom
about
the
public
works
loan
board
debt,
which
would
be
fantastic
if
the
government
would
write
that
off,
but
it
mentions
that
there's
a
nine
million
pound
saving
now
is
that
that
if
there
was
a
total
write-off
or
is
that
what
would
be
the
amount
if
it
was
reduced
back
to
the
interest
rate
before
it
went
up
was
in
december
time?
And
my
second
point
is
on
3.43
on
page
92,
about
social
care
funding.
E
Sorry,
I'm
not
unable
to
unmute
myself,
and
we
could
certainly
look
at
doing
that.
I
mean
in
terms
of
social
care
funding.
I
would
hope
to
that.
The
fantastic
work
that
our
social
carers
and
carers
have
done
under
extreme
pressure
and
that
risks
to
themselves
and
their
families
would
hopefully
accelerate
a
proper
funding
settlement
by
the
government
along
the
lines
and
protected
along
the
lines
that
the
nhs
have
have
had.
Although
they've
not
had
enough
either,
but
it's
I
would
I
would.
E
Absolutely
because
I
think
what
has
been
highlighted
in
this
pandemic
is
just
how
much
we
need
our
carers
and
how
much
we
need
our
social
workers
and
and
that
you
know,
and
how
they
stepped
up
to
the
plate
and
deserve
a
proper
funded
settlement
and
and
well-run
councils
like
ourselves
and
well-run
adult
social
care
departments,
really
need
that
recognition
and
and
that
status
as
well
as
the
proper
funding.
A
D
Correct
the
actual
amount
is
that
emily
will
be
disabled
if
the
pwlb
deck
was
was
written
off,
but
the
difference
is
100
basis
points
and
I'd
have
to
find
out
what
that
would
equate
to,
because
at
the
moment
they
added
100
basis
points
on
what
it
was
previously
last
summer.
Okay,
so
I'll
sign
that
up
and
come
back
to
the
committee
on
that.
A
A
Well,
thank
you,
victoria,
neil
and
james
for
attending
today
and
providing
the
answers,
and
you
know
a
commitment
to
get
back
to
us
with
answers
that
we
were
not
ready
to
hand.
It's
clear
that
dealing
with
the
con
consequences
of
kovid
and
trying
to
lobby
government
for
additional
resources
will
be
a
key
theme
throughout
the
financial
year
and
any
help
that
this
scrutiny
board
can
give
with
that.
A
Then
please
let
us
know,
but
thanks
again-
and
I
know
I
said
it
earlier-
but
the
the
hard
work
that
officers
have
been
putting
in
from
out
right
across
the
council,
but
particularly
these
financial
worrying
times
heartfelt.
Thank
you
from
that
from
me
personally
on
this
board.
So
thanks
for
coming
you're
now
free
to
go
if
you
wish
to,
but
thanks
again
thanks
very
much.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
we'll
move
on
to
item
10,
which
is
the
work
schedule.
So,
given
the
issues
we've
had
with
technology
and
the
priority
we've
given
to
devolution
in
recent
months,
this
is
not
yet
fully
developed.
So
I'd
welcome
members,
comments
and
suggestions
for
future
work.
I
think
matthews
welcome
to
yorkshire
is
probably
one
that
we
will
look
at
in
more
in
depth
when
we
have
the
results
of
the
order,
etc,
but
I
think
it
would
be
worthwhile
so
rather
view
over
to
you.
J
Thank
you,
chair
yeah.
Looking
at
the
the
the
work
schedule,
the
september
meeting
he's
got
like
it
looks
to
have
a
theme
around
risk
management
and
there's
a
couple
of
reports
flagged
up
and
a
recommendation
tracking
item.
J
We
could
probably
build
some
more
in
around
that
and
obviously
featuring
council
robinson's
request
of
scrutiny
if
we're
able
to
bring
that
back
as
a
as
a
single
item
and
then
with
more
detail
in
it
they're
moving
into
into
october
they're
again
some
more
recommendation
tracking
items,
I
mean
I
mean
really
the
the
schedule
following
that
other
than
the
standard
january,
which
is
a
standard
type
agenda
for
you
know
the
budget
setting
process.
J
I
think
there's
there's
room
for
suggestions
from
from
members.
I
mean
there's
some
some
things
that
have
come
out
of
discussion
today.
Perhaps
the
following
the
september
executive
board
report,
which
will
provide
more
detail
on
the
potential
service
changes
and
more
budgetary
challenges
that
are
coming.
We
could
build
something
into
the
october
meeting
around
around
that
as
well,
but,
as
you
said
chairman,
if
there
are
suggestions
for
members
and
obviously
we
could
look
to
build
something
into
that.
Obviously,
working
together
between
myself
and
you
to
see
which
way
we
take
it.
A
A
F
There
you
go,
I'm
here!
Sorry,
chad,
I
just
had
a
seven-year-old
coming
in
who's,
jumping
up
a
bit
to
go
to
blackpool,
so
I'll,
be
very
quick
here.
Yeah.
A
F
No,
no,
it's
just
a
bus
and
a
tram
ride
or
a
car
chair.
I
just
wondered
given
our
conversation
regarding
recoverable
amount
of
council
tax
now
I
know
a
lot
of
will
be
wrote
off,
but
there
clearly
are
people
who
can
afford
to
pay
and
should
have
paid,
and
maybe
I've
taken
advantage
of
the
pandemic,
and
maybe
that's
a
bit
disingenuous,
but
I'm
sure
there
are
people
who
fit
in
that
category.
F
So
I'd
like
us
to
consider
some
type
of
reporter
how
we
might
have
some
recovery
on
that
in
21
22.,
and
I
just
wonder,
given
the
budget
situation,
that
january
might
be
a
bit
late,
could
we
move
that
forward
a
bit,
and
I
know
bob
has
said
we
could
start
some
of
the
discussions
in
october.
It
seems
to
me
that's
the
right
time,
given
that
we
may
have
to
do
another
budget
anyway
after
september.
You
know.
F
C
Thanks
chair,
I'm
just
conscious
that
there
are
a
number
of
points
that
neil
raised
in
in
the
items
we're
looking
at
today
in
terms
of
people's
opinions
on
homework
and
such
and
changing
to
a
different
way
of
working.
C
I've
got
huge
implications,
obviously
for
staffing
and
policies
and
and
capital
management
going
forward,
and
I
think
it
it
would
seem
that
this
board
should
look
at
what
the
council
can
do
to
support
workers
to
be
more
flexible
to
see
what
this
new
normal
is,
and
this
is
going
to
take
some
months
to
come
back
and
see
how
it
changes.
But
obviously
that's
going
to
be
a
big
issue
that
probably
will
want
to
move
fast
and
while
other
boards
may
be
looking
at
how
that
affects
the
city
in
terms
of
skills
and
transports.
G
Okay,
I
completely
concur
with
what
jim
was
saying
and
I
think
there's
a
piece
of
work
to
be
done,
and
I
think
it's
absolutely
right.
It's
huge
the
implications
of
people
home
working
and
getting
an
idea
and
a
steer
of
where
the
council's
thinking
even
department
by
department
looking
at
this
would
be
quite
useful.
G
A
Oh,
I'm
not
sure
about
that
one
I
mean
you
know
you're
right.
A
I'll
be
back
I'll
be
back,
but
I
mean
ideally
it's
like
neil
mentioned
earlier
about.
The
80
of
staff
are
happy
to
continue
working
from
home
or
a
bit
of
hybrid.
That
means
that
there's
20
percent
and
I
know
when
we
had
the
staff
survey
previous
at
previous
meetings.
There
were
a
lot
that
was
struggling
with
working
from
home
and
you
know
absolutely
agree
peter.
A
We
need
to
be
supporting
our
staff,
but
so
are
you
happy
for
me
and
rob
to
discuss
what
we've
talked
about
and
then
we'll
come
back
with
an
update
at
the
next
september
meeting
about
the
work
program
going
forward
and
I'll
try
and
find
out
how
far
down
the
line
we
are
of
meeting
in
person,
because
I
miss
you
all
too.
E
Chill
yeah
can
I
just
say
about
meeting
in
person,
though,
although
I
miss
you
all
dreadfully
when
you've
got
child
care
commitments
and
things
like
that,
it's
so
much
easier
to
to
do
it
this
way
and
it's
yeah,
it's
you
know,
I
obviously
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
kind
of
leave
you
all
to
go
and
pick
up
from
school
or
whatever,
but
it's
just
yeah
and
my
children
are
happier
that
I'm
sitting
in
here
and
you
know
rather
than
being
away.
E
Yes,
this
time,
this
type
of
meeting's,
fine,
I'm
just
thinking
about
yeah
other
people
that
go
into
the
evening-
and
you
know
our
big
council
ones-
it's
it's,
although
I
I
take
it
that
I
would
rather
be
in
the
building
in
many
ways:
yeah
it's
it's.
There
are
some
benefits
and
I'm
I
kind
of
know
where
that
80
percent
of
staff
are
coming
from
in
in
some
ways.
A
C
A
F
To
sorry.
A
F
Just
say:
can
I
just
say
to
helen's
comments
very
well
made
actually,
but
I
think
we
will
always
have
a
hybrid
situation
where
we
not.
We
have
hybrid
cards
now
so
hybrid
zoom
meeting
where
people
can
be
in
attendance,
but
if
they've
got
any
problems
they
can
participate
through
soon.
I
don't
think
that's
ever
gonna
die
and
I
don't
think
we
should
let
her,
and
I
hope
that
I
hope
bob
will
take
those
comments
back.
F
We
should
look
for
the
future
when
it
is
safe
to
have
meetings
that
we
will
still
have
members
who
can
engage
through
zoom
or
some
other
reliable
method.
Good
point,
but
I
do
think
it's
worked
very
well
today.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
C
Maybe
a
hr
update
might
be
helpful
for
the
board,
just
simply
to
understand
how
many
staff
have
utilized
it
and
also
to
understand
which
departments
maybe
have
more
staff
that
are
unwilling
to
or
happy
or
uncomfortable
with,
the
current
situation,
and
also
to
understand
the
costs
of
it
as
well,
because
I
know
from
a
professional
perspective
from
my
own
company
that
I
worked
for
how
much
the
cost
was,
and
that
was
the
reason
they
wouldn't
potentially
offer
it
as
widely
as
they
did
because
of
covid.
J
Council,
helen
there's
been
a
staff.
Flash
survey,
I
think,
is
the
terminology
that's
been
done.
I
don't
know
if
we'll
be
able
to
get
a
hold
of
that
for
one
of
the
future
meetings
and
on
the
the
change
in
the
workplace
comments.
I
think
this
is
that's
been
looked
at
by
this
board.
I
love
before
my
time.
I
think
that
is
something
that
could
could
fit
in
in
terms
of
what
officers
have
been
working.
J
I
think
for
my
officer
role,
I've
heard
some
discussion
around
changing
the
workplace
and
how
that
might
fit
in
and
how
the
council
is
going
to
look
to
address
it
based
upon
the
comments
that
neil
made
earlier
so
that
that
could
be
packaged
together.
I
think
at
some
point
in
the
next
two
meetings,
maybe
with
with
your
agreement.
Obviously
yeah.
A
So
rob
and
I'll
go
away
and
discuss
and
we'll
get
a
timetable
to
bring
back
to
september
and
flesh
out
the
bones
on
that.
If
that's,
it
sorry
die.
C
A
Yeah,
okay!
Well,
thank
you
for
all
those
comments
and
the
time
and
place
next
meeting
place
to
be
determined
7th
of
september
at
10
30,
and
thanks
for
coming,
it's
been
lovely
to
literally
see
you
all
take
care
and
thank.