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A
Seeing
in
this
municipal
year
of
this
scrutiny,
board
welcome
in
particular
to
all
the
new
members,
I
see
that
eight
out
of
the
13
members
of
the
board
are
new
to
this
board.
One
or
two
may
have
substituted
in
the
past,
so
you
may
have
some
some
prior
knowledge
of
it
right
before
we
start
I'm
going
to
go
around
the
members
of
the
board,
asking
them
to
introduce
themselves
for
the
benefit
not
just
of
officers
but
of
any
members
of
the
public
who
have
tuned
in.
A
D
D
Good
morning,
everyone
councillor
paul
walters
and
guys
in
rotten
world
morning.
Everybody
mike
foster
from
art
slim
robin
hood
morning,
council,
neil
buckley
or
woodley
ward,.
A
And
good
morning
I'm
paul
truswell.
I
represent
middleton
and
belle
isle
and
I
chair
this
scrutiny
board
right.
Turning
to
the
agenda,
get
the
the
usual
housekeeping
things
out
of
the
way
very
quickly.
Gender
item,
one
appeals:
there
are
no
appeals
agenda
item,
two
exclusion
of
the
public.
There
are
no
items
which
this
is
applicable.
Late
items
number
three:
there
are
no
weight
items,
gender
item
for
declarations
of
interest,
I'm
assuming
that
no
one
has
got
any
declarations
to
make.
A
At
this
stage
generally
item:
five:
apologies:
we've
received
apologies
from
councillor
prairie
and
council,
sorry
and
jonathan
moxon
who's.
The
flood
risk
manager
that
takes
us
on
to
gender
item
six,
which
is
on
page
five
of
your
agenda
papers,
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting,
and
then
it's
difficult
for
two-thirds
of
the
new
members
to
to
comment
on
these.
But
I
will
go
through
them
page
by
page
and
if
you've
got
any
corrections
or
any
matters
arising.
Please
indicate
and
I'll
come
to
you
so
page
five.
A
H
A
Page
twelve,
we
were
really
busy
these
at
that
last
meeting,
so
in
the
absence
of
any
any
comments
or
any
corrections,
our
members
content
for
me
to
sign
those
as
a
correct
record,
yeah.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
that
things
takes
us
on
to
gender
item.
Seven
terms
of
reference,
which
really
is
just
for
information.
I
don't
think
any
questions
are
likely
to
arise
from
them
if
they
do
they're
setting
concrete.
So
there's
not
a
lot,
we
can
do
about
them.
A
Okay,
can
we
just
note
those
thank
you
agenda
item
eight
co-op
to
members
this
board,
certainly
in
the
regard
it's
eight
years
since
I've
been
cheering
says,
never
had
any
co-opting
members
simply
because
we've
never
found
the
need,
but
that
doesn't
preclude
us
if
we
want
to
bring
any
in
any
external
expertise
to
help
us
in
our
discussions
about
any
particular
issue
on
the
agenda
to
do
that
on
an
antique
basis.
A
So
if
that's
okay,
I'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
nine,
which
is
really
the
first
substantive
item
on
the
agenda
and
that's
the
performance
update
from
city
development,
children
and
families
and
chief
executive,
unfortunately,
this
is
this-
is
part
two
of
our
discussions
about
the
kpis
in
that
we
started
looking
at
them
in
january,
but,
unfortunately,
as
a
result
of
a
combination
of
officer,
absence,
illness
leave
and
we
weren't
able
to
cover
all
of
them.
A
A
A
We're
always
aware
of,
I
don't
think,
is
as
helpful
as
some
of
the
past
reports
that
we've
had
that
have
actually
given
us
tables
or
other
means
of
looking
back
several
years
in
some
cases
10
15
years,
so
we've
been
able
to
see
the
trajectory
and
the
performance
good,
bad
or
indifferent
over
time,
and
that's
a
point
that
I
would
hope
the
board
would
endorse
that.
A
We
can
actually
clearly
express
to
officers
now
but
feedback
into
the
system,
because
I
I
understand,
as
part
of
the
change
over
to
the
best
city,
ambition,
that
the
key
performance
indicators
are
being
reviewed
anyway
and
also,
as
I
say,
I
don't
think.
A
year-on-year
comparison
with
two
pretty
abnormal
years
is
is
useful
anyway
and-
and
finally,
I
just
reiterate
the
fact
that
we've
got
so
many
new
members
of
the
board.
A
I
really
think-
and
I'm
don't
want
to
put
words
in
your
mouth-
that
they
would
appreciate
seeing
the
background
in
the
history
that
the
previous
approach
used
to
give
us.
We
also-
and
there
is
some
attempt
to
do
this
with
some
of
the
kpis
used
to
find
it
very
useful
to
have
comparisons
with
core
cities
and
other
statistical
names,
I.e
other
local
authorities
that
have
a
similar
make-up
to
ours.
A
So
with
that,
I
don't
know
martin
whether
you
want
to
want
to
comment
on
what
I've
just
said,
but
I
will
ask
you
and
and
your
colleagues
to
to
introduce
the
the
kpis.
What
I
intend
to
do
is
that
once
you've
introduced
them
is
to
go
through
them
one
by
one.
So
we
can
focus
any
questions
or
discussion
or
comment
on
that
kpi
as
we
move
forward
rather
than
butterflying
around
the
whole
piece.
G
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
yeah.
By
way
of
introduction,
I'm
martin
farrington,
I'm
the
director
of
city
development,
so
I'll
take
the
lead
in
terms
of
going
through
the
the
indicators
this
morning,
but
perhaps.
A
I
Good
morning,
I'm
very
jealous
of
only
intelligence
as
part
of
your
entitled.
My
name
is
councillor
helen
hayden.
I
represent
tranquil
news
award
and
executive
member
for
infrastructure
and
climate.
Thank
you.
G
You're
welcome
no
you're
fine
and
then
just
in
terms
of
the
comments
you're
making
on
the
format
of
the
reports,
I
mean
it's
tim's
team
that
pulls
together
and
I'm
beholding
on
tim's
resources
of
how
he
does
that
and
does
it
in
a
way
that's
consistent
across
all
of
the
scrutinies
of
the
council.
So
I
think
the
points
you've
made
chair
are
well
laid
out
and
understood.
F
That's
right
and
as
part
of
this
refresh
of
the
the
kpis
that
support
the
new
best
city,
ambition,
we're
intending
on
consulting
with
all
the
scrutiny
board
chairs,
possibly
at
the
same
time,
so
that
we
can
agree
exactly
what
we're
going
to
report,
but
also
the
level
of
depth
that
we
want
to
report
against
the
kpis.
F
G
In
terms
of
the
split
on
that
379
162
of
private
and
82
026
are
public.
Turning
to
unemployment,
unemployment
rose
between
2020
and
2021
from
4.1
to
5.5
percent.
So
that's
an
increase
of
1.4
percentage
points.
The
average
rate
across
core
cities
at
this
over
this
period
was
6.5,
so
we
sit
well
within
that,
but
we
are
above
the
uk
average
of
4.5
percent.
G
We
then
turn
to
gross
value
added,
so
gva
per
job
per
filled,
job
and
effectively.
That's
that's
a
measure
of
the
value
of
the
economy
in
terms
of
expressed
productivity
level
for
each
individual
job
between
2018
2019,
that
rose
from
55
from
53
311
to
55
206..
G
So
that's
an
increase
of
1895
per
job
and
then
in
terms
of
new
business
startups
between
2020
and
2021
that
has
fallen.
This
is
an
indicator
that
is
using
figures
from
bank
search,
compiling
information
from
companies
house,
high
street
business
bank,
account
open
data,
etc.
G
For
the
first
three
months
2022
there
were
1093
business
startups
in
leeds
that's
eight
and
a
half
percent
fewer
business
startups
compared
with
the
corresponding
period
from
the
previously
year.
That
places
leads
has
ranked
to
66
out
of
390
309
english
district
authorities
in
terms
of
the
number
of
business
scale-ups
that
has
increased
between
2019
and
2020,
going
from
585
to
605.
G
So
that's
minus
2.1
percentage
points
and
within
that
pi
leads
ranked
third
of
the
core
cities
sitting
behind
bristol
and
sheffield
in
terms
of
changes
in
the
business
rates
payable.
Since
2017
there's
been
a
marginal
increase
from
the
1st
of
april
2021
to
the
31st
of
march
2022.,
the
change
is
0.26
percent.
So
that's
an
increase
of
from
462.9
million
to
464.14.
G
On
the
visitor
economic
impact
of
leeds
shows
a
march
reduction
from
the
period
2019
to
2020,
principally
as
a
consequence
of
the
pandemic,
so
it
fell
from
1890
million
to
891
million
during
that
period
on
the
percentage
of
working
age
leads
residents
with
at
least
a
level
four
qualification
between
2020
and
2021,
that
fell
by
minus
1.1
percentage
points
from
46.9
to
45.8
and
on
the
number
of
people
supported
to
improve
their
skills.
That's
something
that
we've
been
able
to
maintain
throughout
the
pandemic,
albeit
at
a
reduced
level.
G
So
the
figure
for
2021
is
2.
485
people
against
a
target
of
6450.
G
numbers
of
people
supported
into
work
again
has
a
target
of
3500
and
the
21
22
figure
is
3473
people
so
close
to
the
target
on
achieving
that
one
and
of
those
numbers
1828.
G
So
that's
53
percent
of
residents
securing
employment
were
from
the
20
percent,
most
deprived
local
super
output,
eight
areas,
as
measured
in
the
indices
of
multiple
deprivation.
G
Turning
to
growth
of
new
homes
in
leeds
the
annual
target
is
3247
homes.
Between
april
and
december,
2021
we'd
achieved
2197
homes,
so
that
leaves
1050
in
the
final
quarter
to
be
achieved.
The
third
quarter
is
normally
the
slowest
quarter
of
of
the
four.
G
So
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
the
3247
for
this
year
is
probably
a
stretch
target,
but
I
think
that
the
detail
that
I've
had
to
date
says
that
we
will
be
somewhere
close
to
achieving
that,
and
I
think
one
of
the
aspects
that
has
come
into
play
there
is
in
terms
of
supply
chain
supply
chain
challenges,
slowing
the
rate
of
bill
down
on
the
numbers
of
affordable
homes
delivered.
G
The
annual
target
is
434,
plus
the
796
per
annum
backlog
for
the
for
the
period
april
to
december
2021.
We
have
331
homes
delivered,
so
we're
waiting
for
the
final
fourth
quarter
to
understand
the
out
turn
position
for
that
one
and
then
residential
developments
build
to
the
required,
accessible
and
adaptable
aaa
standards.
G
This
is
based
on
policy
h10,
and
it
requires
all
new
build
housing
developments
to
have
30,
accessible
and
adaptable
accessible
standards
to
be
achieved
following
further
investigations
become
apparent,
we're
not
able
to
accurately
monitor
accessible
housing.
Completions
on
a
dwelling
by
dwelling
within
our
existing
monitoring
system
and
we're
able
to
accurately
monitor
the
number
of
planning
permissions
granted
for
accessible
dwellings
and
the
available
data
is,
is
then
shown.
G
And
that
indicates
that,
for
quarter,
two,
the
plane
permissions
achieved
was
762
to
achieve
the
accessible
adaptable
standard
and
for
quarter
three
that
was
420.
G
G
G
There's
a
there's,
a
change
in
the
definition
and
therefore
that
figure
has
increased
and
then
satisfaction
was
a
range
of
transport
services
in
2018
19
that
was
6.7
out
of
10
and
it's
fallen
to
6.6
out
of
10
for
2020
21,
so
a
marginal
reduction
there.
That
data
is
provided
by
the
west
georgia
combined
authority
from
their
annual
tracker
survey
and
then
number
of
passengers
boarding
buses
in
the
leeds
district.
In
2020
it
was
32.9
million.
G
The
provisional
outcome
for
2021
is
37.5
million,
so
that
is
an
increase
of
a
4.6
million,
but
it's
a
significantly
reduced
figure
that
it
from
normal
that
is
still
recovering
from
the
pandemic.
G
G
There's
been
an
increase
of
53
residential
properties
that
are
now
protected,
since
the
2020
figure
was
collated
and
an
extra
three
commercial,
and
principally
that's
the
conclusion
of
the
only
fast
scheme
chair
which
was
concluded
earlier
this
year.
So
that's
that's
the
headlines
of
of
those
pis
and
happy
to
answer
or
receive
any
questions.
A
A
Nope:
okay,
turning
the
page
page
42,
four
five
and
six
number
of
new
business
startups
number
of
business
scale;
ups,
business
survival
rates;
any
questions
on
those.
B
Just
on
the
decrease
in
the
business,
startup
is
a
business
that
have
gone
boss
and
not
return.
I'm
sorry
is
it
yeah
new
businesses
that
haven't
applied
in
just
explain
in
in
what
way
you're
saying
that
it's
been
decreased
as
a
new
startup.
C
Thanks
councillor,
so
this
on
this
page,
there's
a
number
of
indicators
and
the
first
indicator
around
number
of
new
business
startups
is
about
registration
of
new
new
businesses
with
companies
house
and
so
on.
The
business
survival
rate.
One
is
when
a
business
when
a
when
a
business
is
wound
up,
and
so
those
two
things
together
are
giving
you
a
sense
of
what's
happening
in
in
the
city.
So
I
think,
given
what
we've
been
through
over
the
past
two
years,
you
you
might
expect
that
we
would
have
a
small.
C
You
know
a
reduction
in
the
number
of
people
having
the
confidence
to
start
a
new
business
business
in
that
context
and
that
we
would
have
an
increased
number
of
businesses
failing
because
of
the
tough
conditions
associated
with
the
pandemic.
But
I
think
probably
what's
really
a
positive
thing
is
that
the
business
scale-up
data
is
showing
that
even
throughout
covered,
we
had
some
businesses
in
leeds
that
were
being
very
successful
in
terms
of
scaling
up,
and
that
means
that
they're
they're
creating
new
jobs
in
in
the
city.
C
A
Right,
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
you've
probably
answered
this
question
in
terms
of
your
response
to
cows
like
hamilton
eve,
but
for
number
four,
the
third
paragraph
for
the
first
three
months
of
2022,
there
were
11
percent
fewer
business
startups
and
that
in
a
way,
seems
slightly
counter-intuitive.
Given
the
fact
that
the
pressures
of
pandemic
and
the
depressive
nature
of
that
on
business
was
prior
to
that,
and
you
would
almost
anticipate
kind
of
the
shuttles
having
been
released
and
that
we
might
be
seeing
more
businesses
created.
C
Thanks
chair,
so
I
think
probably
a
couple
of
things.
Obviously
it's
difficult
to
remember,
but
in
the
first
three
months
of
the
year
we
were
still
under
some.
You
know,
impacts
of
covid
actually
and
but
also
there
are
wider.
You
know
things
going
on
in
the
economy
as
well
in
terms
of
some
of
the
wider
uncertainties
around
inflation
and
and
other
issues.
So
we
probably
need
to
keep
an
eye
on
this.
These
numbers
to
see
what
happens
over
the
next
few
months,
given
their
volatility
in
the
economy
at
the
moment.
B
Yeah
with
visitors,
economy
impact
for
leads,
we
notice
obviously,
and
we
know
why
there's
been
a
massive
reduction.
My
question
is:
is
we
starting
to
see
pick
up
and
when
are
we
going
to
get
that
indication
of
where
we
are
now?
I
mean,
obviously,
it's
a
massive
massive
reduction,
but
we
all
know
the
reason
why
and
also
can
we?
I
know
you
mentioned
it
before
about
rather
than
just
2019
and
2020.
If
you
could
see
prior,
you
know
so
and
obviously
the
two
year
under
half
gap
and
going
forward.
B
C
That's
that
we've
got
in
the
city
to
give
you
some
indication
of
what's
happening
in
this
space,
so
the
the
elite,
hotels
and
venues
association
report,
the
occupancy
rates
are
showing
really
strong
signs
of
recovery
and
in
the
last
28
days
the
numbers
have
been
comparable
with
2019,
which
is
really
very
positive
and
perhaps
also
not
unsurprising,
because
we
did
host
a
major
conference
in
leeds
during
during
may,
which
was
considered
to
be
very
successful
and
revenue
is
currently
exceeding
29
levels,
as
well
as
we've
heard
from
that
sector
and
we've
got
significant
progress
being
made
in
conferencing
with
conference,
leads
forecast
for
this
financial
year
at
66
percent
of
2019
levels,
and
given
that
the
conferencing
sector
was
the
first
ones
impacted
by
coving
19,
that's
something
to
feel
positive
about
and
bookings
for,
2024
and
onwards
are
very
positive
in
the
conference
sector
as
well,
and
another
indicator
is
that
the
visit
leads
website
we
in
may.
C
C
I
also
just
looked
at
the
the
trends
around
football
in
the
station
and
the
average
weekday
footfall
in
the
station
is
currently
around
69
of
baseline
levels,
similar
to
late
2021,
which
is
indicating
a
slower
recovery,
since
legal
restrictions
were
lifted,
but
average
weekend
footfall
is
exceeding
the
baseline,
which
would
imply
that
there's
a
strong
recovery,
stronger
recovery
for
leisure
travel
into
the
city
and
so
again,
some
really
positive
indications
that
things
are
beginning
to
recover.
C
And
finally,
we
do
know
that
some
with
some
of
our
you
know
some
of
our
productions
in
theater
and
so
on.
There
are
some
of
the
older
audiences
still
a
little
reluctant
to
return,
and
so
there's
more
work
to
be
done
to
sort
of
support,
certain
demographics
to
return
to
the
city
and
return
to
tourism
and
feel
comfortable
with
that.
D
Neil
yeah,
thank
you.
It
was
actually
more
or
less
the
same
question
as
council
hamilton's
and
when
you
look
at
the
figures,
the
it's
a
drop
of
a
billion,
a
billion
which
is
enormous,
drop,
isn't
it
and
just
before
I,
I
asked
that
question
just
to
say
that
I
do
agree
with
what
the
chairman
said
about
having
the
figures
over
a
wider
time.
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
do
do
that.
So
I
do
agree
with
that
for
what
it's
worth,
but
also.
D
Secondly,
on
the
comparisons
here
year
to
year,
they're
actually
different
years.
We've
actually
got
in
here
from
2018
to
2022
and
it's
kind
of
a
mixture
and
it's
very
difficult
to
follow.
So
I
think
if
that
could
be
tidied
up.
That
would
be
very
helpful
as
well,
but
my
question
here
was
really
about
this
billion
pounds
drop
and
we
were
in
town
on
sunday
morning
with
some
friends
of
ours
and
down
in
the
victoria
quarter.
D
An
awful
lot
of
shops
were
vacant
and
you
don't
actually
notice
them
because
they're
very
nicely
covered
up
with
nice
sort
of
fake
frontages
and
that
kind
of
thing.
But
there
are
quite
a
few,
not
just
not
there,
and
I
just
wondered
if
that
was
definitely
going
to
alter
and
we're
going
to
get
more
back
to
100.
There.
C
So
I
think
I
haven't
got
the
exact
figure
about
our
latest
vacancy
rates
in
the
city
centre,
but
I'm
just
checking
quickly
with
martin
there.
C
We
think
it's
around
14,
but
we
can
chair,
just
provide
the
latest
data
as
by
way
of
follow-up,
we
have
been
tracking
actually
slightly
around
and
positively
around
the
the
average
across
the
uk,
so
we're
not
particularly
any
worse
than
than
other
locations,
and
I
know
there
has
been
a
lot
of
positivity
from
some
of
the
the
retailers
in
the
in
the
city
centre
about
brands.
G
Yeah
sorry,
I
was
just
when
I
was
mentioning
to
eve
about
the
percentages
it
tends
to
move
between
about
14
and
18.
The
vacancy
rate
leeds
is
not
out
of
kilter
with
national
trends,
but
you
would
write
councillor
buckley
to
raise
that.
It
is
a
post-pandemic
issue
that
those
figures
have
gone
up
and
we
have
to
proactively
manage
to
to
bring
them
back
down
to
pre-pandemic
levels.
A
And
I
think
there
was
also
the
question
that
councillor
butler
asked
about
the
time
like
between
some
of
the
figures.
Some
of
them
go
back
to
2020
or
even
2019,
and
I
think
that's
because
they
are
externally
sourced
they're,
not
council
figures
and
they're.
The
latest
figures
that
the
government
department
or
agency
produced,
but
tim.
I
don't
think
you
want
to
just
confirm
that.
F
That's
right,
council
trusts.
Well,
where
we
get
the
information
internally,
we
can
get
the
results
quite
quickly,
but
you
are
right
in
saying
that
some
of
the
information
is
externally
sourced.
So,
for
example,
a
visitor
economic
impact,
that's
got
a
2020
date
on
it
and
obviously
that's
because
the
information
has
to
be
compiled
and
checked
externally.
F
D
C
So
no
is
the
short
answer,
so
I
can't
remember
the
exact
figure
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
it
was
some
it's
somewhere
in
the
region
of
170
million
that
we
gave
out
in
grants,
including
the
grants
that
went
through
rates.
But
again
I
can
get
the
exact
number,
but
I
know
that
it's
not
equating
to
that
billion
pound
figure.
C
No,
that
wouldn't
include
the
furlough
furlough
money
and
I
don't
know
what
data
is
available
about
that.
So
I
think
if
you
added
furlough
in
you
would
be
able
to
there'd
be
a
there's
to
be
additional
on
top
of
that.
So
we
I
don't
know
what
public
information
there
is
out.
Yet
there
yeah,
I
don't
know
if
tim
you've
seen
any
public
information
around
furlough
data.
F
I'm
not
sure,
but
that's
something
that
we
could
go
and
have
a
look
at
for
you
and
see
if
we
can
get
some
figures
on
that.
D
A
But
with
all
due
respect
mike,
I'm
not
sure
that
you'll
be
comparing
like
we'd.
Like
I
mean
this
is
a
kind
of
notional
figure
and
a
calculation
it's
not
based
on
hard
cash,
whereas
the
furlough
figure
would
be
based
on
hard
cash
and
whether
it
could
be
reduced
to
a
figure
that
measured
leads
and
the
number
of
people
who
received
a
fair
loan
payment.
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
what
the
value
would
be
of
that
kind
of
comparison.
G
I
mean
chair.
What
we
will
be
able
to
provide
is
with
respect
to
the
grants
that
we
managed
what
number
of
of
value
of
the
grants
were,
that
redistributed
to
retail,
leisure
and
hospitality
sector,
because
it's
probably
the
retail
leisure
and
hospitality
sector,
where
there's
a
direct
comparison
to
this
number
in
terms
of
visitor
economic
impact.
A
B
Mine,
it
might
be
just
a
silly
question
but
number
13
the
targets
on
the
targets
where
we
got
4
34,
obviously
april
to
december,
is
3
31..
Can
you
explain
to
me
the
796
backlog
and
are
we
going
to
address
it
or
am
I
reading
it
wrong
because
if
to
me,
there's
a
backlog,
so
we
need
to
play
catch
up
or
put
things
in
place,
I'm
a
rock
or
am
I
reading
it
wrong.
No.
G
G
The
331
is
a
three-quarters
of
the
year
figure,
so
I
I
don't
know
what
the
detail
will
be,
but
I
think
it's
an
expectation
that
we'll
be
close
to
the
434
in
terms
of
the
annual
target
and
so
the
actions
then
in
terms
of
addressing
that
backlog
and
there
some
of
the
figures
are
in
the
preceding
commentary
where,
in
terms
of
our
our
own
social
housing,
build
program,
there's
1
164
homes
of
various
stages
in
development,
either
going
through
planning
or
on
site.
G
We
we
highlight
where
we've
managed
to
be
able
to
bring
forward
and
work
with
large
registered
providers,
such
as
the
guinness
partnership.
They
were
doing
points
cross
at
hunslet
road
where
that
928
residential
homes,
development
has
331,
affordable
houses
and
then
last
month,
plans
panel
gave
consent
to
clarions
development,
which
has
a
similar
proportion
of
affordable
housing
at
scale.
G
B
So
we
will
be
meeting
our
target,
as
you
say,
we'll,
be
meeting
our
target
going
ahead
and
plus
also
we'll
be
catching
up,
then,
with
regards
to
the
backlog.
So
apart
from
because
I'm
looking
at
it
this
way
by
now
on
we're
gonna
meet
our
target
of
434
year
in
and
then
plus
the
others
up.
Not
unless
I've
read
it
wrong,
we
will
also
be
will
be.
G
A
Yeah,
you've
actually
honed
in
on
something
that
has
been
the
source
of
concern
and
focus
for
this
bird.
For
some
years,
sharon
and
as
martin
has
said,
we
looks
as
though
we
are
going
to
be
close,
if
not
hitting
the
year
by
year
target,
but
only
beginning
to
make
some
inroads
into
that
historic
failure
to
to
to
provide
affordable
housing.
A
This
will
be
an
issue
that
will
go
into
more
detail
later
on
in
the
year
because
we
did
a
an
inquiry
a
few
years
ago
into
housing
mix
and
one
of
the
priority
areas
of
that
is
the
amount
of
affordable
housing.
The
city
is
actually
delivering.
So
that
will
be
a
further
opportunity
later
in
the
municipal
year
to
explore
that
in
a
lot
more
detail,
because
it
is
something
that
we
have
honed
in
and,
as
I
say
before,
helen
you
wanted
to
come
in.
I
Yes,
it's
it's
extremely
challenging,
but
there
are
there's
so
much
going
on
in
terms
of
trying
to
address,
and
but
we
have
to
wait
for
these
homes
to
be
built,
and
that
takes
some
time
so
that
lag
we
might
find
in
a
couple
of
years
time
when
guinness
guinness.
Actually,
you
know
give
the
keys
over
to
people
and
and
clarion
etc.
That
there'll
be
a
big
glut
in
terms
of
the
figures,
but
please
rest.
I
The
balkan
rest
assured
that
we
are
trying
everything
in
our
power
in
terms
of
the
council
housing
building
program
it.
It
is
on
track,
but
getting
kind
of
the
land
available,
and
it
is
extremely
challenging
and
you
know,
land
acquisition
and
the
use
of
landed.
It
continues
to
be
very
challenging.
D
D
I
Excuse
me,
the
the
figure
of
796
is
based
on
clearing
the
backlog
in
10
years,
because
clearly
the
figure
will.
I
Now,
excuse
me,
we
are
currently.
C
Hoping
to
to
instruct
some
consultants.
D
A
So
much
of
that
is
dependent
upon
the
number
of
affordable
units
delivered
by
private
developers
and
the
pressures
or
otherwise
that
we
can
put
on
them
because,
for
example,
I
know
there
are
many
cases
where
we
try
and
get
developers
to
build,
affordable
houses,
part
of
their
planning
permissions
and
they
come
running
back
and
waive
the
government's
legal
requirement
for
them
to
be
allowed
to
to
to
to
to
build
those
within
what
is
financially
appropriate
about
financially
achievable
for
them.
So
I
think
if
we
just
take
that
crude
figure,
it
needs
unpicking.
I
Sorry
chair,
could
I
just
come
in
on
that
sorry
also,
we've
got
the
local
plan
update
two
coming
starting
in
the
autumn,
so
which
will
focus
on
affordable
housing,
and
we
also
the
councils
up
and
down
the
country,
found
it
very
difficult
to
build
council
houses
until
the
borrowing
cap
was
lifted
and
as
soon
as
it
was
by
the
government,
then
this
council
swung
into
action
in
terms
of
building
as
many
council
houses
as
as
was
feasible.
I
D
Mohammed
yeah
thank
you
chair,
and
so
can
we
just
clear
this
up
because
we're
all
a
bit
confused
with
the
figures
now
that
was
our
original
target
around
over
1100,
affordable
houses
per
year,
and
so
that's
why
we
got
a
796
per
annum
backlog
per
year
because
we're
not
reaching
that
target
or
how
we're
going
back
10
years,
because
there's
a
bit
of
a
confusion
here
now
so
so
we
said
we're
going
to
cover
that
in
three
years
and
now
we're
saying
we're
going
back
10
years.
So
can
we
get
some
clarity?
Please
yeah.
G
I'll
well
I'll,
try
and
provide
the
clarity.
So
currently,
in
recent
years
we've
delivered
around
the
annual
target
of
434.
I
think.
Last
year
we
exceeded
that
this
year,
it's
probably
going
to
hit
around
the
annual
target.
What
I'm
saying
is
when
you
look
at
what's
on
the
ground,
both
in
terms
of
developments
privately
by
registered
social
landlords
like
the
guinness
partnership
and
what
we're
doing
in
terms
of
our
social
housing
build
portfolio,
you
can
see
that
rising
to
circus
700,
so
every
every
unit,
above
the
annual
target
of
434,
contributes
against
that
backlog.
G
G
D
A
Not
wanting
to
complicate
it
any
further,
but
the
the
fact
that
we
have
two
figures
quoted
two
is
the
year
on
year
and
then
the
backlog,
I
think,
is
a
result
of
public
inquiries
and
the
way
planning
inspectors
have
looked
at
the
provision
of
housing
and
have
said
that
in
year
this
is
the
figure
you
need
to
achieve
or
exceed
in
terms
of
in-year
year-on-year
building,
but
because
we
haven't
provided
sufficient,
affordable
housing
in
the
past.
This
is
a
further
figure.
That's
added
on
to
that.
A
I
mean
this
is
this
is
an
issue
that,
as
I
say,
has
always
exercised
members
the
fact
that
there's
a
desperate
need
for
affordable
housing
of
whatever
nature
in
the
city-
and
I
know
that
on
page
47,
under
kpi
13,
there's
reference
to
a
delivery
partnership
plan
which
is
currently
being
put
together
with
partners
to
address
the
challenges,
at
least
over
the
next
three
years.
And
could
I
ask
martin,
what's
the
latest
state
of
play
with
that
plan?
A
And
when
might
you
be
in
a
position
to
share
it
with
members,
because
I
think
it
would
be
a
very
useful
document,
a
very
useful
vehicle
for
further
discussion
of
this
issue.
For
us
whether
it
came
to
a
full
meeting
of
the
board,
or
perhaps
we
had
a
working
group
around
it,
but
I'll
be
guided
by
your
advice
as
to
when
it
would
be
in
a
form
that
we
could
look
at.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
chair,
so
the
there's
two
reports
that
we're
pulling
together
at
the
moment
of
future
consideration
by
executive
board.
One
is
the
affordable
housing
plan
and
the
second
is
in
terms
of
our
council
house
build
program
and
where
that
is,
and
how
we
want
to
take
it
to
the
next
stage
and
in
terms
of
new
sites
that
we
can
bring
forward.
Ideally,
I'd
like
to
bring
those
two
reports
to
executive
board
at
the
same
time,
because
they
they
they
have
an
interrelationship
between
each
other.
G
G
I
think
it'd
be
better
more
productive
if
it
comes
here
first
chair.
Perhaps
if
I
well,
we
would
say
amen
to
that
yeah.
If,
if,
if
I,
if
I
liaise
with
becky
on
timings,
I've
just
got
to
liaise
with
the
report
authors
and
just
check
that
it
what
works,
but
we
can
set
down.
I
Yes-
and
I
was
briefed
on
it
this
week
and
it
will
be
written
in
all
you
know
in
july,
basically,
but
we
just
need
to
check
with
some
you
know
outside
with
with
partners
before
submitting
in
september.
We
don't
want
to
rush
it.
So
that's
why
we're
looking
at
the
the
september
date,
but
given
that
august
is
very
quiet
time
for
everybody
in
the
city
really,
so
that's
why
it
would
be
coming
to
september,
but
it
will
be
more
or
less
written.
I
A
Okay,
I
mean
certainly
in
the
light
of
the
history
of
our
discussions
and
again
the
focus
today.
I
think
it
would
be
very
welcoming
if
we
can
get
in
on
the
ground
floor
on
that,
then
so
much
the
better.
I
think
it's
a
it's
something
that
scrutiny
is
actually
designed
to
do.
Neil.
D
Just
on
the
subject
of
council
housing,
there'll
always
be
political
differences
about
how
to
deliver
affordable
housing
in
one
form
or
another.
D
But
at
the
moment
we've
got
a
council
house
building
program
in
a
fairly
limited
numbers,
but
we've
also
got
right
to
buy
and
I'm
sure
I've
asked
for
this
before
and
if
I've
missed
it,
it's
my
fault,
but
do
we
have
figures
that
show
the
total
and
then
the
net,
so
in
other
words,
for
every
thousand
council
houses,
we've
built
another
100,
but
we've
sold
103.
G
In
in
terms
of
exercising
right
to
buy
that
information
is
available,
it's
not
something
that
it'll
be
managed
by
the
hra,
but
I
mean
I
can
take
that
away
and
get
you
those
get
you
those
figures.
Certainly
I
I
think.
Last
year
there
was
600
right
to
buys
exercised
in
the
city.
G
I
Yeah,
I
think
it
was
603
so
yeah.
I
think
that's
it.
That's
sticking
in
my
mind
of
right
to
buy.
I
haven't
seen
any
ward
breakdown
data
and
we
are
trying
to
buy
back
as
well,
but
essentially
we're
running
to
stand
still.
D
That
would
be,
it
would
be
very
helpful
because
in
my
ward,
we've
got
two
areas
which
you're
probably
familiar
with
which
people
refer
to
as
the
council
estates,
but
actually
probably
50
percent
are
owner-occupied
and
it
will
be
quite
handy
to
know
which
way
the
figures
are
going.
A
I
think
it's
fair
to
say,
as
councillor
hayden's
indicated,
that
we
are
we're
not
even
running
to
stand.
Still,
I
don't
think
we're
standing
still,
I
mean
if
you
allow
an
old
fogey
to
reminisce
when
I
was
first
elected
to
this
council
in
1982,
and
I
hardly
believe
it's
40
years
ago.
I
think
we
had
almost
100
000
council
properties.
I
think
the
figure
is
now
down
to
about
55.,
mainly
as
a
result
of
the
right
to
buy.
A
There
have
been
some
clearance
areas
which
may
account
for
a
few
hundred
a
few
thousand
of
those,
but
basically
it's
down
to
the
right
to
buy
and
the
failure
of
successive
governments.
It's
not
part
of
political
issue
to
give
local
authorities
the
capacity
to
build
more
council
housing
to
replace
that
which
is
been
sold,
and
I
seem
to
recollect
this
a
certain
prime
minister
a
few
years
ago
when
he
increased
the
the
concession
to
tenants
in
terms
of
the
the
cost
of
council
housing
said
that
they
would
build
one
new
house
for
everyone
sold.
A
It
never
happened.
I
think
the
other
thing
to
bear
in
mind
is,
unless
again,
I'm
I'm
wrong
about
this,
although
we
are
building
comparatively
few
compared
to
the
number
of
properties
that
have
been
sold.
Leeds
does
actually
have
a
good
record
when
compared
to
other
authorities
up
and
down
the
country
as
to
the
number
of
council
houses,
it
is
now
building
as
an
authority.
A
I
think
we've
got
something
like
almost
7
000
people
with
a
plus
and
a
priority,
not
to
mention
the
24
000
people
on
the
actual
list
waiting
list
as
we
call
it,
and
we
just
nowhere
near
touching
that
so
people
are
having
to
wait
years
even
when
they're
in
desperate
need-
and
I
think
you
know-
I
think
there
is
consensus
politically-
that,
ideally
we
should
have
been
doing
much
more
about
it,
but
to
some
extent,
to
a
very
great
extent.
We've
been
constrained
by
what
the
government's
successive
governments
have
enabled
us
to
do
here.
A
End
of
the
lesson,
but
I
think
I
think
I
think
that's
position.
I
don't
think
there
is
any
disparity.
There
may
be
differences
for
example.
I
I
believe
that
the
right
the
right
to
buy
has
created
a
housing
crisis,
but
it's
created
a
housing
crisis
because
we
haven't
replaced
the
houses
that
have
been
sold
with
with
other
council
housing,
but
I
think
we
could
debate
this
forever
in
the
day
and
we're
kind
of
slightly
moving
away
from
this
particular
key
performance
indicator.
A
I
think
the
specifics
about
building
council
houses
and
the
council's
policy
in
the
council's
approach
actually
falls
within
the
remit
of
another
scrutiny
board,
but
I
think
we've
always
exercised
the
latitude
that,
while
ever
housing
and
the
provision
of
housing,
affordable
or
otherwise
falls
within
our
remit
from
in
terms
of
planning,
then
we
will
continue
to
discuss
it
as
members
and
to
reverse
our
concerns
about
about
the
shortfalls
right.
Okay,
if
there
are
no
other
questions
on
those
performance
indicators,
I'll
take
us
to
page
47
and
residential
development's
built
to
required
accessibility
and
adaptable
standards.
B
Just
a
quick
one,
please
just
regarding
the
thirty
percent:
are
we
accessible
and
adoptable
and
two
percent
wheelchair?
Are
we
on
targets
for
those
or
what
oh?
Is
it
just
being
written?
G
Yeah,
so
the
thirty
percent
of
the
two
percent
of
the
provisions
in
the
policy.
What
the
paper
does
show
is
the
numbers
that
then
flow
through
the
planning
system
as
a
consequence
of
that
policy.
What
I'll
do
councillor
hamilton
is
I'll
I'll,
just
check
that
back
and
and
provide
you
with
a
written
response.
B
A
I'll
do
that.
Thank
you,
yeah.
Thank
you,
shane.
I
think
it
goes
without
saying
that
when
members
request
information,
we
do
prefer
the
to
be
sent
to
all
members
of
the
board.
I
think
that's
kind
of.
A
Well
done
sharon
so
yeah.
So
if
all
information
such
as
the
items
that
have
been
discussed
earlier
in
the
meeting
they
may
have
been
raised
by
one
member,
but
I
think
it's
as
well,
given
the
fact
that
they've
been
raised
in
a
meeting
of
the
board
that
they
are
circulated
to
all
members
of
the
board
via
becky.
If
you
wish
to
do
it
that
way:
okay,
so
that
takes
on
to
page
48
and
kpis
15
and
16
progress,
8
scores
and
the
percentage
of
of
needs.
A
A
But
I
don't
know
if
there
are
any
questions
or
any
comments
that
anyone
wants
to
make
on
these.
Okay,
moving
on
to
page
49
and
again,
another
kpi,
which
has
exercised
members
over
the
years
to
such
an
extent
that
in
the
last
municipal
year,
rather
than
simply
looking
at
the
ksi
figures,
we
conducted
a
more
in-depth
inquiry
together
with
a
number
of
partners,
not
the
least
of
which
were
the
parent
campaigners
of
young
people
who
have
died
on
our
roads.
A
And
I
think
those
of
us
who
were
present
at
those
sessions
and
clearly
it's
only
a
minority
of
us
here
today-
we're
very,
very
moved
by
the
testaments
that
we
that
we
receive
from
them.
The
inquiry
is
now
complete
and,
as
you
will
see
from
the
work
program,
the
final
draft
will
be
coming
to
our
next
meeting.
A
A
A
A
Perhaps
you
could
elucidate
on
that
and
of
course,
we
brought
together
a
number
of
partners,
highways
police
campaigners,
people
from
the
community
to
identify
what
could
be
done
and
what
is
being
done
in
order
to
you
know
reduce
the
number
of
people
who
are
seriously
injured
on
our
roads
and
the
linchpin
really
of
that
approach
is
our
newly
adopted
vision,
zero
with
partners,
the
the
notion
that
we
will
not
accept
any
deaths
or
serious
injuries
on
our
roads
and
that
we
must
continue
to
put
downward
pressure
in
every
way
we
can
to
reduce
those
figures,
but
gary,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
come
in
on
this.
A
D
You
chair,
I
I
think,
you've
covered
it.
I
think
I
think
it
followed
discussions
in
a
way
similar
to
the
one
we
just
had
about
affordable
housing
where
members
around
the
table
were
very
concerned
about
the
statistics
around
road
safety
and
where
they
were
at
because
each
fatality
or
serious
injury
is
obviously
of
great
significance
to
the
families
concerned
and
local
communities.
D
So
the
the
conversations
that
we
had
prompted
that
scrutiny
review,
which
had
a
had
a
wide
remit
and
we
had
obviously
the
police
there
and,
as
councillor
truswell,
has
said
members
of
families
who
have
lost
loved
ones.
So
it
was
very
emotive,
but
I
think
very
productive
and
very
useful.
D
So,
hopefully,
the
next
session
that
we
have,
you
can
see
the
the
remit
and
the
extent
of
the
work
that
we're
doing,
and
I
would
say
that
leeds
is
leading
the
way
here
in
terms
of
adopting
this
vision,
zero
strategy,
certainly
in
west
yorkshire
and
after
the
vision,
zero
board
yesterday
that
councilor
hayden,
attended
with
myself
and
colleagues,
were
pushing
forward
on
some
changes.
We
want
to
see,
for
example,
on
safety,
camera
guidance
and
criteria,
so
we're
taking
this
very
seriously,
and
hopefully
that
will
come
out
in
in
subsequent
meetings.
A
E
A
Ready
to
go
so
ready
to
go
means
we
can
share
it
as
soon
as
possible
and
then
I
think
we
can
discuss
how
we
deal
with
it
at
the
next
board
meeting.
I
think
the
difficulty
is
that,
because
there
are
so
many
new
members
of
the
board,
there
will
be
an
understandable
temptation
to
want
to
cover
all
the
issues
that
we've
already
covered
previously.
A
So,
as
I
say
it
may
be
that
if
members
are
so
minded,
we
actually
have
a
working
group
to
look
at
that,
so
that
people
can
get
up
to
speed
and
and
express
their
views
about
the
draft
as
it
exists
at
the
moment.
Rather
than
trying
to
do
that
on
the
hoof
in
a
in
a
normal
public
meeting
of
the
board,
he
would
still
have
to
come
back
to
the
board
for
ratification,
but
I
think
that
might
be
the
way
forward.
A
D
Chair
apologies:
this
slightly
going
back.
I
didn't
have
my
hand
up,
but
you
missed
it.
There's
a
lot
of
mention
on
page
50
appendix
one
about
the
social
blog
where
all
the
road
traffic
changes
and,
however,
high
record
changes
have
been
advertised
on
facebook
and
on
some
sort
of
blog,
but
I've
never
come
across
it.
So
can
we
get
a
link
to
those
blogs
by
any
chance.
D
Yeah
we
it'll
be
through
connecting
leads,
which
is
our
team,
that
pushed
these
information
out,
but
I
can
provide
the
links
to
becky
for
dissemination.
A
Okay,
so
if
there
are
no
other
questions
and
comments
on
the
performance
indicators,
I'd
like
to
thank
councillor
head
in
the
offices
for
their
attention
and
their
detailed
responses
to
our
questions
and
we'll
see
you
next
time,
whatever
guys.
So
perhaps
we
could
get
the
officers
in
for
the
next
gender
item
and
council
really
with.
A
Right,
I
think
the
officers
and
council
rulingworth
are
in
place
for
the
next
agenda
item.
If
we
could
move
to
it,
please
so
gender
item
10.
This
is
a
referral
to
the
board
by
councillor
rillingworth.
Obviously,
you've
read
the
paper.
You'll
have
read
john's
initial
original
email
to
me,
which
I
think
I
received
john
one
hour
before
the
meeting
to
which
it
related.
A
Before
I
give
john
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
us
for
10
minutes
and
to
amplify
his
concerns,
I
think
the
officers
and
I'm
not
sure
whether
the
technology
is
now
working.
I
know
there
have
been
one
or
two
glitches
with
it,
but
I
think
we
have
a
an
introduction
from
richard
dennis
and
richard
will
introduce
himself
together
with
the
with
the
other
officers
in
due
course
just
to
put
us
in
the
picture
regarding
fas
2..
H
Yeah
good
morning,
everybody,
my
name
is
richard
dennis
and
I
work
within
city
development,
as
the
civil
engineering
manager
responsible
for
the
delivery
of
the
river
air
flow
aviation
scheme,
which
is
commonly
referred
to
as
the
leads
fast
alongside
me,
yeah
good
morning,
I'm
peter
charlesworth
from
bmmjv
we're
the
consortium
that
are
designing
and
building
the
vast
scheme.
I've
been
involved
since
its
inception
with
the
design.
A
Okay,
thank
you
richard.
As
I
say,
I
think
you've
got
a
brief
slide
introduction
to
give
us
the
overall
picture
of
fast.
H
I
have
yes,
it's
just
a
short
overview
presentation
which
should
take
around
five
or
six
minutes,
so
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
displaying
the
full
screen.
Becky.
H
H
And
and
becky
you've
kindly
offered
to
flip
through
the
slides.
So
thank
you
very
much.
If
we're
going
to
the
first
slide,
there
we
go
so
in
terms
of
a
brief
background.
The
records
are
following
leads
during
the
17th
century,
but
the
earliest
voters
we
have
for
1946
and
47.
H
Then,
on
boxing
day,
2015
starmieva
brought
a
1
in
200
year,
flood
event,
which
saw
the
river
reach
record
breaking
levels
with
360
tons
of
water
per
second
moving
along
the
river
compared
to
15
tons
in
normal
flow
conditions
and
levels
much
higher
than
the
1866
event.
When
a
number
of
lives
were
lost.
H
The
difference
in
depth
between
the
two
events
is
shown
by
the
red
markers
in
the
photo.
The
bottom
right,
it's
worth
emphasizing
the
workforce
in
leeds
totals
half
a
million
with
a
huge
number
traveling
to
the
city
centre
from
surrounding
areas
every
day.
So
in
many
ways
it's
very
fortunate.
This
happened
during
the
holiday
period.
H
So,
in
order
to
reduce
the
flood
risk
to
leads,
there
was
an
initial
proposal
led
by
the
environment
agency,
which
would
have
cost
more
than
180
million
pound
at
the
time
and
brought
walls
in
excess
of
three
metres
high
in
places
in
the
city
centre.
However,
this
was
abandoned
due
to
funding
issues
at
the
time.
H
H
H
H
The
linear
defenses
are
one
of
three
components
of
fast,
two,
the
other
two
being
flood
storage
and
natural
flood
management,
which
all
combined
will
deliver
1
in
200
years
down
protection
with
allowance
for
climate
change
the
year.
2069
importantly,
the
work's
been
delivered
by
faster
will
also
uplift,
the
100.
Yesterday,
protection
delivered
in
the
city
centre
as
part
of
fast
one
to
the
one
in
200
year
standard
in
terms
of
linear
defense
zones.
There
are
10
in
total,
two
of
which
are
now
complete.
H
H
H
H
So
in
a
decade
since
the
conception
of
the
phase
one
proposals
at
a
total
cost
of
162
million
pound,
the
city
will
have
the
benefit
of
a
holistic.
One
in
two
hundred
year
stand
protection
with
allowance
for
climate
change,
reducing
the
risk,
the
devastated
physical
economic
damage,
which
can
occur
from
flood
events.
H
So
that
brings
me
to
the
end,
which
I
hope
everyone
found
useful
there.
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
richard
right.
Turning
to
councillor
illinois,
the
board
has
agreed
that
you
should
have
10
minutes
to
elaborate
on
obviously
on
the
email
that
you
sent
to
me
initially
that
prompted
this
referral
so
john,
your
time
starts
now.
A
I
should
have
that
john
did
bring
along
a
document
that
you
wanted
to
circulate,
and
it's
six
closely
tight
pages
now
board
members
may
wish
to
see
that
in
due
course,
but
it
seemed
to
me
that
it's
a
rather
indigestibly
long
piece
of
writing
to
be
tabled
on
the
day
john,
so
maybe
in
future.
If
you
could
just
give
us
a
little
bit
note
of
notice
and
give
members
the
opportunity
to
read
a
document
of
that
type
prior
to
the
meeting,
I
think
we
would
we
would.
A
We
would
certainly
welcome
that,
but
I'm
sure
that
you
will
be
able
to
raise
all
the
points
in
your
written
document
in
a
slightly
more
cursory
fashion
when
you,
when
you
speak
with
us
so
over
to
you.
Your
time
starts
now.
E
E
E
It
was
obvious
to
most
of
us
who
thought
about
it
that
leads
needed
active
flood
storage,
where
you'd
only
bring
these
reserves
into
use.
At
the
peak
of
the
flood,
in
other
words,
water-
would
flow
through
these
anyway,
you
didn't
need
to
bother
about.
It
was
the
stuff
that
wouldn't
go
through
that
you
needed
to
store.
E
Well,
I
used
the
foi
act
to
get
the
lidar
data
from
the
environment
agency.
It
worked
first
time
they'd
done
one,
and
I
also
received
some
tuition
in
gis
from
leeds
university.
I
want
to
acknowledge
that,
but
I
set
out
to
do
my
own
flood
model
and
I
could
show
with
fairly
basic
arithmetic.
There
was
sufficient
flood
storage
capacity
to
protect
the
whole
of
leads.
If
rodney
and
calvary
storage
areas
were
combined,
but
if
you
only
had
one
of
them
as
we
have
at
present,
it's
tight.
In
fact
it
didn't
for
my
model.
E
After
the
boxing
day,
floods
in
2015,
there
were
endless
disguise
between
council
officers,
land
owners,
politicians,
individuals,
community
groups
from
2016
to
2018.,
there's
general
support
for
schemes
involving
movable
wheels
and
natural
flood
management
and
opposition
to
hard
edge
solutions,
particularly
using
sheet
steel.
Piling
I'm
going
to
use
that
abbreviation
ssp
for
sheets
piling
under
like
in
january
2018
a
press
release
announced
the
rodney
flood
storage
area
will
be
deleted
from
the
proposals,
and
this
became
the
focus
of
fuzz
new
letter
on
in
february.
E
Had
I
known
about
this,
I'd
have
been
very
concerned
because
I
understood
the
implications
for
kirkstol.
However,
I
was
on
holiday
in
mexico
at
the
time
I'm
blissfully
unaware
of
what
was
taking
place
in
leeds
the
hybrid
planning
application
submitted
in
november,
and
I
was
delighted
to
see
footpaths
bridges,
green
space
provision.
In
addition
to
the
engineering
works
we
were
advised,
the
full
scheme
wasn't
completely
ready.
We
should
expect
to
receive
updates
and
amendments
as
the
proposals
bedded
in
still
aware
of
the
rodney
decision.
E
Still
unaware
of
the
rodney
decision
did
not
find
out
until
planning
consent
is
actually
being
granted
and
certainly
not
disputing
professionalism,
hard
work
and
ingenuities
has
gone
into
our
flood
alleviation
schemes.
I'm
sure
that
all
this
work
was
done
to
an
excellent
standard.
I'm
also
concerned
about
two
additional
factors
which
I
don't
think
form
part
of
our
standards
assessment
and
I
think,
where
further
gains
are
possible.
E
First
factor
is
biodiversity,
which,
in
my
view,
is
a
powerful
reason
to
minimize
our
use
of
ssp.
There
hasn't
been
a
great
deal
published
in
ssp
biology,
but
little
that
exists
is
very
negative,
but
I
can
see
the
problem
clearly.
Ssp
replaces
gently
shelving
horizontal
beaches
of
the
water
margin
with
hard
hostile,
vertical
surfaces
where
many
species
will
struggle
to
survive
almost
any
alternative.
Surface
brickwork,
for
example,
seems
better
than
steel,
but
it's
the
impervious
vertical
structure
is
a
common.
Is
a
problem
no
tunneling
or
boring
animal
can
expect
to
get
through
it.
E
E
The
second
factor
is
land
representing
an
inner
city
ward.
I'm
constantly
aware
of
the
need
for
recreational
spaces
addition
to
formal
sports
provision,
I'm
seeking
opportunity
wilding
and
for
new
pedestrian
routes.
I
want
to
release
land
for
nature,
including
humans
in
the
most
densely
populated
parts
of
the
inner
city,
and
replace
the
lost
economic
resources
in
areas
that
have
got
more
space
to
spare
so
de-densifying
the
inner
city.
E
There
are
three
sorry
so
in
kirkstill,
our
sheep
piling
is
almost
complete.
At
first
sight,
this
looks
like
a
peaceful
outcome
for
a
potentially
difficult
situation.
I
certainly
don't
want
to
unpick
any
of
the
decisions
we've
taken,
but
if
we
stood
at
the
details,
this
wasn't
a
particularly
good
way
to
resolve
the
various
conflicts
in
future.
We
should
all
try
to
do
better,
and
here
are
three
significant
problems
that
I
hope
to
resolve.
E
One
flood
storage
capacity
if
we
permanently
abandon
the
flood
storage
space
at
broadly.
This
requires
compensatory
adjustment
elsewhere
now
in
2018,
fuzz
2
started
in
the
search
for
alternative
storage
spaces
and
horsefirst.
I
never
heard
the
outcome
from
that
study.
It
was
on
the
tv,
but
I'd
like
to
know
the
outcome:
how
much
additional
storage
space
we've
managed
to
recruit
and
whether
we're
able
to
bring
it
into
play
because
it
does
improve
our
performance.
E
Second
point:
kirksville
meadows:
this
is
the
area
near
the
curtis
lobby,
which
is
going
to
be
a
wildlife
reserve.
I
understand
that
humans
are
excluded
from
this
wetland,
but
we're
bringing
three
adjacent
rugby
pitches
into
use.
It
isn't
clear
to
me
how
this
is
going
to
be
achieved
or
who
will
have
access
to
finnish
works.
E
You
may
have
noticed
that
rugby
matches
occasionally
subject
to
shouting
and
parliamentary
language
a
lot
of
disturbance,
so
we're
going
to
put
it
back
next
to
a
pristine
nature
area
where
we're
trying
to
keep
delicate
and
frightened
species
there.
It's
not
going
to
go
too
well
and
finally,
flooding
at
kirsten
valley,
farm
and
the
adjacent
allotment
site.
Where
I
declare
an
interest,
I've
got
an
allotment
there.
E
The
1799
version
had
eight
pen
stocks
to
regulate
the
flow.
It
took
the
whole
river
basically,
and
there
was
barriers
at
the
the
weir
and
no
regulation
on
the
outflow
side,
so
they
regulated
the
input
and
let
the
outlet
do
whatever
it
would
do.
E
22
2022
version
has
no
regulation
on
the
input
that
there's
no
adjustment.
At
the
input
side
it
has
multiple
gates
inside
burnley
mills
and
a
big
pump
and
quite
a
complicated
system,
but
the
inlet
isn't
regulated.
E
People
are
concerned
that
the
burning
mills
administration
may
close
the
valves
of
burning
mills.
It
makes
it
more
convenient
for
them,
but
the
goit
is
still
connected
to
the
weir
and
the
water
level
in
the
upper
section
of
the
goit
will
track
the
water
level
above
the
main
river
above
the
the
weir.
E
E
This
comes
well
before
the
point
where
the
farm
would
flood.
Anyway,
a
phrase
is
being
used
to
me
because
the
goit
is
being
fed
from
above
the
weir.
The
farm
is
being
fed
from
below
the
width
there's
over
a
meter
of
difference
between
them.
So
this
is
it's
not.
The
timing
is
not
ideal,
so
they
get
river
water
into
the
farm
which
causes
a
problem.
It
could
be
contaminated
raw
sewage,
which
makes
our
produce
difficult
to
sell
and
they
also
put
the
farm's
organic
certification
at
risk.
E
E
It's
about
the
flow
controls,
control
structure
at
kurt
slabby,
which
I
remind
people,
is
a
grade
one
ancient
monument.
I
don't
like
the
flow
controller
for
abby
mill,
goyt,
it's
aesthetically
unpleasing.
I
think
we
can
do
better
if
we
have
to
do
better
and
also
it
works.
The
thing
doesn't
need
fixing
we
don't
bust,
don't
fix
it.
E
The
presently
is
a
flow
controller.
That's
presently
in
use,
it's
been,
certainly
in
use
all
the
time.
I've
been
accounted
over
40
years,
two
years
more
than
you
chair,
and
it's
something
where
I
don't
want
to
to
damage
it,
I'm
quite
happy
with
existing
arrangements.
I
think
they
will
work
perfectly
well
on
a
do-nothing
basis
and
it's
going
to
cost
a
million
pounds
for
a
new
flow
controller.
I
haven't
got
if
I
had
a
million
pounds
in
cursor.
E
I
wouldn't
spend
it
on
this,
and
I
hope
you
see
what
I
mean
especially
value
for
money
and
spending
money
wisely.
I
think
we
can
manage
with
the
outflow
controller
and
I'd
like
us
to
try
that
out.
First
before
we
commit
any
more
funds
chair.
A
H
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
chair
and
counseling
work.
I
think
some
of
the
comments
you've
made
there
counselor
worth,
I
feel,
have
been
addressed,
certainly
to
an
extent
in
appendix
2,
which
is
the
officer
response
to
the
report
which
might
happen
to
talk
through
the
maybe
one
of
two
points
that
we
can
take
away
and
and
provide
a
response
separately
and
excuse
me
chair.
I'm
not
sure
what
format
you'd
like
me
to
sort
of
take
in
terms
of
I
can
give
some
immediate
responses
to
some
of
those
comments.
A
Yeah
richard,
I
think
it
would
be
really
useful
to
respond
to
the
specific
points
that
council
ruling
was
has
highlighted.
We
obviously,
hopefully
all
have
read
the
report
and
clearly,
we've
got
the
initial
email
that
council
rolling
with
sent
to
us,
but
he
has
now
elaborated
on
the
number
of
those
and
focused
in
specific
terms
on
various
aspects.
So
I
think
they
would
be
the
points
that
we
would
like
you
to
to
respond
to,
if
possible,
yeah.
H
I'll
certainly
attempt
to
do
so,
then
so,
regardless
starting
from
the
final
point
of
working
backwards,
because
that's
maybe
the
one,
that's
sorry.
H
Yeah
go
on
then
yeah,
that's
the
one
so
when,
if
you
refer
to
the
the
report
and
paragraph
14,
if
people
have
got
that
in
front
of
them
there
in
terms
of
the
historic
flow
control
structure,
couple
of
things
to
note
there
and
our
design
team
feel
it's
just
not
feasible
to
actually
use
to
prevent
flood
flows
at
that
location
and,
and
secondly,
and
the
condition
that's
in
similarly
it'd
just
be
impossible
to
adopt
that
as
a
modern
day.
H
Flood
asset,
but
clearly
historic,
nature
is
absolutely
fully
appreciated
and
we
are
retaining
it
for
historical
contextual
purposes
in
terms
of
the
the
the
money
for
that
actual
piece
of
flood
defense.
I
I've
not
got
that
in
front
of
me.
I'm
not
sure
where
counselor
has
that
information
from.
However,
what
I
would
say
is
the
overall
cost
of
the
scheme
is
fully
funded
and
the
vast
majority
is
government
funding.
H
That's
been
granted
to
the
city
council
to
use
to
prevent
flooding
in
this
area,
as
opposed
to
then
to
be
provided
for
other
purposes
so,
and
it's
already
already
accounted
for
and
budgeted
for
and
and
going
ahead.
H
So
so
that
was
the
the
the
final
point
and
then
again
in
in
in
in,
in
the
order
of
which
I've
made
my
notes,
there
was
a
a
comment
there
on
kirksville
valley
farm,
which,
again,
if
you
refer
to
your,
if
you
put
refer
to
the
report
and
paragraph
eight,
I
think
previously,
counseling
were,
if
you've
expressed
a
concern
about
the.
H
I
think
you've
said
that
you
feel
that
there's
an
increase
in
flood
risk
to
kirksville
valley
farm
we've
tried
to
explain
there
that
actually
it's
an
increase
in
flood
depth,
rather
than
increasing
flood
risk
and
the
flood
depth
increase
comes
at
a
time
when
that
particular
pocket
of
land
is
already
in
flood
and
to
give
that
some
context,
there's
no
difference
in
the
depth
of
flooding
at
a
one
in
ten
year
event,
but
the
extreme
of
a
one
in
200
year
event.
The
difference
in
depth
is
150
millimeters.
H
But
that's
actually
at
a
point
when
the
site
is
already
experiencing
depths
of
between
750
millimeters
and
1.5
meters,
in
terms
of
the
engagement
and
and
and
being
unaware
of
of
the
decisions
that
have
taken
place
and
and
and
specifically
around
broadly
nature
reserve-
and
you
know
probably
refer
to
paragraph
three-
then
the
flood
modeling
that's
been
undertaken.
H
So
what
the
city
council
has
done.
There
is
made
best
use
of
of
external
national
professions
in
their
field
and
councillor
linworth,
and
I
and
and
and
lots
of
the
modelling
teams,
met
on
a
number
of
occasions
to
go
through
the
modeling,
and
you
quite
rightly
point
out
that
that
rodney
was
identified
as
a
significant
potential
storage
area
and
at
one
time
at
an
earlier
stage.
We
did
explore
extensively
the
use
of
rodley
and
calvary.
H
But
in
paragraph
four
I
then
go
on
to
say
that
actually,
if
rodney
and
calvary
had
both
been
progressed,
there
was
actually
only
a
relatively
small
reduction
in
defense
heights.
The
linear
defenses
around
700,
sorry
around
75
millimeters
and
in
fact
the
the
linear
defenses
that
we
are
introducing,
are
fully
compatible
and
hope.
Maybe
some
people
have
seen
certainly
some
of
those
already
completed
some
years
ago
as
part
of
phase
one
and
and
and
now
are
being
complete
as
part
of
phase
two.
H
A
lot
of
work
has
gone
into
trying
to
reduce
those
as
as
far
as
possible
and
and
make
them
sort
of
connect
with
the
with
the
river
rather
than
the
original
proposal,
which
was
a
high
berlin
wall
solution
which
we've
obviously
didn't
go
ahead
with
and
and
and
it's
like
chalk
and
cheese
between
the
two
and
and
so
I'd
probably
say
that
this
was,
you
could
say,
was
maybe
a
a
good
example
of
of
engagement
with
the
communities
and
and
how
we've
listened
to
communities
that
there's
quite
a
lot
of
adverse
feedback
to
using
rodney
nature
reserve
and
and
and
so
we've
taken
on
board
and
and
and
listened
to
those
and
and
and
in
the
end.
H
It
didn't
progress
with
with
rudely
as
a
storage
area.
H
In
terms
of
the
the
land
release
and
and
managed
retreat,
which
I
think
has
been
referred
to
in
the
past,
I
probably
refer
to
paragraph
12.
There.
One
option
could
have
been
to,
as
you
say,
to
do
a
managed,
retreat
and
and
let
areas
of
kirk
still
flood
so
to
speak
and
and
and
and
and
sort
of
move,
residential
and
commercial
properties
out
of
kirksville
area
and
up
the
hill.
H
So
to
speak,
however,
that
wasn't
the
criteria
and
the
brief
that
was
set
by
government
in
the
aftermath
of
the
2015
and.
H
I
suppose
it
would
have
been
a
very
complex
situation
to
deal
with
I'd.
Imagine
that
you'd
probably
have
a
range
of
stakeholders
with
varying
opinions
on
on
that
approach,
and
so
the
brief
that
was
set
was
was
to
prevent,
flooding
and
and
bring
forward
a
scheme
that
meets
the
the
criteria
set
by
government
in
order
to
get
this
160
million
pounds
worth
of
funding
and
and
so
yeah.
H
In
the
end,
we
we
we've
brought
on
board
a
holistic
flood
defense
scheme
which
tries
to
deal
with
the
problem
at
source,
a
catchment-wide
approach,
a
storage
area,
natural
flood
management
scheme
and
then
a
residual
linear
defense
scheme.
H
In
terms
of
the
the
residential
properties
being
protected,
I'd
refer
to
paragraph
16
there
and
yeah
fast
2
will
in
fact
better
protect
over
a
thousand
residential
properties
aside
from
360
existing
businesses
and
also
unlock
housing
for
around
1600
new
homes.
H
The
the
treasury
rules
have
been
strictly
added
to
with
this
business
case
and,
and
that
shows-
and
it's
been
heavily
scrutinized
by
the
environment
agency's
large
project
review
group,
the
deferred
executive
commission
and,
in
fact,
hmt
as
well,
and
that
actually
shows
a
a
a
benefit
to
cost
ratio
of
9.4
and
and
so
yeah
162
million
pounds
is
a
a
significant
amount
of
money,
but
if
it's
producing
a
benefit
to
cost
ratio
of
of
almost
10,
it's
a
large
return
and
I'd
probably
say
that
the
162
million
pound
is
in
today's
money.
H
Whereas
the
original
environment
agency
scheme,
which
was
abandoned
in
2013,
it
was
estimated
to
cost
over
180
million
pounds
at
that
time.
H
A
Well,
according
to
my
notes-
and
I
may
have
missed
something,
but
there
was
a
another
issue-
the
council
earning
was
raised
about
the
kirksville
meadows,
wildlife,
sanctuary
or,
however,
you
want
to
describe
it
and
the
possible
impact
of
nearby
human
activity
relating
to
the
rugby
pictures.
I
I
don't
think
you've
you've
covered
that
I'm
am.
I
writing
that
john.
That
was
one
of
the
issues
that
you're
contributing
against.
Yes,.
G
I
mean
coastal
meadows
has
been
laid
out
as
rugby
pitches
historically
and
still
is,
albeit
there
is
a
challenge
with
their
use,
because
in
planning
policy
terms,
playing
pitches
are
compatible
with
a
flood,
a
flood
area,
flood
zone,
and
this
that
that
site
has
sat
in
a
a
zone
that
has
been
susceptible
for
flooding,
and
so
the
the
environment
agency,
in
terms
of
its
statutory
role,
that
it
plays,
will
say
that
those
pitches
are
compatible
because
of
historic
flooding
when
they
flood
they
suffer
from
contamination
from
the
flood
water
and
that,
whilst
the
policy
position
is
that
they're
compatible,
the
reality
is
something
perhaps
different,
which
is
why
some
of
them
are
redundant,
but
in
the
planning
consent
for
this
scheme.
G
G
They
had
a
statutory
council
t-roll
on
two
of
them
as
live
pitches
that
have
been
used
within
the
last
five
years,
but
not
on
three
of
them,
whilst
they're
still
there
with
the
posts,
are
not
used.
So
I
think
what
I
would
say
is
that
that,
over
the
long
term,
they
have
been
used
as
rugby
pitches
and
part
of
the
site
will
continue
to
be
used
as
rugby
pitches
going
forward
just
to
say
that
they
are
in
private
ownership.
Chair.
H
Okay,
I
think
just
to
sort
of
add
to
that
as
well
in
terms
of
the
the
noise
pollution
that's
been
referred
to,
I
think
would
probably
say:
that's
no
worse
than
any.
It's
certainly
no
louder
and
it's
like
no
no
or
disrupted
any
passing
by
vehicular
traffic
and
in
terms
of
the
environmental
impacts.
I
probably
referred
to
paragraphs
five
six
and
seven,
the
the
the
the
the
scheme
attempts
to
take
all
possible
opportunities
in
terms
of
improving
everything
as
as
as
possible.
H
Who
can
do
so?
We
actually
had
sir
professor
john
laughton
and
part
of
the
programme
board
who's,
the
the
chair
of
yorkshire,
wildlife,
trust
and
the
specialists
in
this
field,
and
he
was
a
very
active
part
of
the
board
and
and
so
the
environmental
impacts.
H
You
know
very
much
endorsed
in
terms
of
the
mitigation
that
was
brought
forward
for
the
scheme.
One
example
is
kirkstorm
medals,
but
there's
there's
lots
of
other
examples
as
well,
not
least
the
the
two
million
trees
that
we're
planting
as
part
of
the
scheme
as
well.
I
was
wearing
the
catchment.
A
C
Thanks
chair
in
the
outset
of
john's
presentation,
he
said
the
majority
of
flood
damage
in
kirksville.
H
Yeah
right
in
terms
of
the
project
team,
we've
got
an
enormous
amount
of
data
which
form
part
of
the
business
plan
which
showed
the
the
the
the
damage
that
was
occurred
in
kirk
still
as
part
of
the
boxing
day.
2015
flood.
I
haven't
actually
got
that
statistic
in
front
of
me,
but
I
will
provide
it
to
all
the
board
members
later
on,
but
and
rest
to
show
that
yeah
it
a
huge
impact,
both
direct
in
and
indirectly
as
well
to
the
economy
and
and
and
investor
confidence
as
well.
I
It's
worth
noting
that
was
the
the
economic
benefits
from
protecting
those
properties
from
from
flooding,
and
I
was
at
the
yorkshire
and
humber
flooding
forum
in
york
yesterday,
and
the
statistic
is
for
every
one
pound
spent
on
protecting
the
property.
It
saves
five
pounds
in
renovation
and
clean
up
costs
in
the
future,
as
well
as
the
fact
that
insurance
prices
are
incredibly
high
for
those
for
those
residential
properties.
There's
also
the
carbon
savings,
it's
actually
incred.
I
It
uses
an
a
huge
amount
of
carbon
to
clean
up
after
a
flood,
rather
than
much
more
than
to
actually
build
these
full
defenses.
So
we're
saving
not
only
money
in
the
long
term,
but
carbon
as
well.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point.
Thank
you.
E
Yes,
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
over
this
and
understandable,
but
I
I'm
so
I've
volunteered
for
the
cleanup
operation
in
cursor,
the
politicians
all
did
and
we
were
at
it
for
several
weeks
and
intimate
knowledge
of
the
damage
that
was
done
and
I
have
to
say
in
terms
of
residential
properties.
The
damage
was
very
small,
four
four
house
basements
on
cursive
road,
and
that
was
it.
E
What
there
is
there
is
a
industrial
estate
built
on
former
housing
near
the
river
and
that
obviously
goes
bypasses.
All
the
planning
controls
its
floodplain
development.
It
flooded
people
came
out
in
tears,
saying
we
didn't
expect
this
to
happen
that
parked
in
a
bloody
floodplain
for
heaven's
sake,
and
it
washed
through
john
john's
upsetting.
Yes,
quite.
I
It
really
doesn't
matter
if
it's
only
just
for
the
devastation
of
even
just
having
your
basement
voted
and
it's
the
stress
that
it
causes,
knowing
that
your
property
can
be
flooded
and-
and
I
I've
never
lived
in
a
property
that
got
flooded.
I
But
I
know
from
aries
and
and
councillor
schar
will
back
me
up
on
this
in
the
donald
area
of
our
of
our
ward,
that
and
the
stress
it
causes
when
the
when
there
is
a
storm
and
with,
despite
all
the
protections
that
are
in
place
and
the
new
coats
of
meadows,
which
is
sorry
killing
that
meadow.
So
I've
got
my
wrong
k
there,
which
will
provide
you
know
really
good
protection
going
forward.
I
The
stresses
still
fell
every
time.
There's
the
rain
starts,
and
we
know
that
from
our
inbox,
and
that
is
perfectly
understandable
and
but
it's
the
threat
of
flooding
and
what
we
saw
in
otley,
where
the
brand
new,
a
very
natural
alleviation
scheme,
protected,
fit
those
53
properties,
and
yes,
most
of
them
normally
get
flooding
into
their
basement.
I
But
the
stress
it
causes
to
to
those
families,
and
they
were
so
relieved
and
and
we're
talking
about
children
here
and
people
kids
not
being
able
to
get
to
school
because
all
the
with
the
hospital
being
cut
off
in
utley,
and
it's
the
same
in
kirksville.
If
you
know,
if,
if
roads
are
flooded,
how
do
people
get
around,
including
to
educational
establishments
and
the
stress
it
causes
over
in
lancashire?
I
We've
got
children
with
ptsd
after
flooding
events,
so
we
really
do
want
to
protect
those
properties
and
from
any
further
damage
that
and
and
for
very
many
reasons,
including
it
happening
on
boxing
day
the
world.
Wasn't
that
dis
devastation
that
we've
seen
in
other
parts
of
the
of
the
country
at
the
same
time
and
other
times
in
the
recent
past.
Thank
you.
G
Martin
yeah,
thank
you
chair.
I
mean
I
just
want
to
emphasize
the
point
that
this
is
an
integrated
whole
catchment
flood
scheme
and
there's
a
danger
of
deconstructing
it
down
to
various
parts
of
the
city,
but
effectively
what
this
scheme
is
doing
is
it's
starting.
Its
physical
works
at
appley
bridge
in
bradford,
just
on
the
other
side
of
the
leeds
border
and
the
phase,
the
phase
one
works
started
at
woodlesford.
G
You
know
much,
you
know
12
miles
down
the
river
air
catchment
and
across
that
catchment.
The
totality
of
these
works
protect
a
large
number
of
residential
properties
and
paragraph
one
points
out
that
on
2015
boxing
day
floods
there
was
wide
reaching
damage
of
almost
3
000
residential
buildings.
G
H
Yeah
apologies
but
just
to
solve
add
to
that
in
terms
of
small
commercial
properties.
This
isn't
large
commercial
organizations
but
but
small
commercial
businesses.
H
The
reality
is
that
they're,
faced
with
a
situation
where
their
insurance
companies
are
just
won't,
provide
them
with
a
proposal
or
cover,
or
even
if
they
do,
the
premium
cost
tens
and
tens
and
tens
of
thousands
of
pounds
and
then
the
face
with
excesses
of
tens
and
tens
of
thousands
of
pounds,
so
you're
actually
seeing
reality
of
small
businesses,
just
just
don't
bother
with
their
insurance
and
so
there'll
be
a
lot
of
properties
there
that
just
and
can't
get
affordable
insurance
to
cover
flood
events,
and,
and
so
that
would
mean
that
if
a
lot
of
them
went
out
of
business
because
of
stormweaver
and
god
forbid,
another
event
happens
again.
H
The
ones
that
did
return
are
most
likely
faced
with
a
situation
that
they'd
be
wiped
out
again.
A
Okay,
thank
you
richard.
I
had
two
questions.
Martin's
answered,
one
of
them
about
the
integrated
nature
of
the
scheme,
rather
than
being
able
to
pick
a
mix.
But
could
I
just
ask
about
the
rodley
storage
proposal,
which
obviously
councillor
reeling
with
focused
on,
has
been
important
in
terms
of
the
case
that
he
was
making?
H
I
think
I've
not
got
an
exact
number,
but
I
I
don't
recall
any
formal
objections
to
the
planning
process
whatsoever.
The
there
was
some
representations
made
in
some
of
the
community
sessions
in
kirksville
to
say
they
would
prefer
that
we
went
ahead
with
more
storage
areas,
but
actually
there
was
nobody
in
kirksville
saying
that
they
didn't
want
the
defenses
that
we
were
bringing
forward.
G
We
can
anticipate
through
the
ea's
notifications
of
when
it's
going
to
hit
leads
and
that's
where
the
flood
attenuation
comes
in
and
the
modeling
that
was
done
by
the
team
demonstrated
that
we
could
address
that
one
in
200
year
risk
through
the
flood
attenuation
through
a
scheme
at
carvalho
and
horseforth,
which
is
the
scheme
that's
on
site,
and
that
we
didn't
therefore
need
the
rodney
scheme
to
provide
that
level
of
protection
and,
in
the
context
of
the
clear
representations
that
were
made
and
made
quite
forcefully
through
the
consultation
about
concerns
about
the
rodney
element.
G
That's
why
we
decided
to
bring
a
paper
forward
to
the
council's
executive
board
in
the
public
domain
to
say
that
the
final
design
of
the
scheme
wouldn't
include
rodley
and
on
the
back
of
that
executive
board
consent,
then
that
gave
the
mandate
for
the
design
of
the
scheme
that
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
implement
the
planning
application
again
in
the
public
domain
came
forward
which
excluded
it
broadly.
So
I
think
that's
that's
the
context
within
which
that
that
came
forward.
Sure
if
it
helps.
D
Thank
you,
chad.
All.
I
was
going
to
say
because
I
I
remember
the
conversations
with
rodney
very
well
and
it
was
councillor
richard
lewis,
who
was
a
executive
member
at
the
time
and
the
conversations
that
he
had
and
site
meetings
and
visits
undertaken.
So
I
I
just
relay
that
to
scrutiny
board,
because
there
were
very
significant
representations
being
made
to
the
council
about
rodley
and
obviously
culminated
in
the
points
that
martin
has
said
in
terms
of
a
report
ultimately
going
to
the
council's
executive
board
to
be
ratified.
H
Absolutely
and
and
the
threat
there
was
that
the
scheme
just
wasn't
deliverable,
you
know
the
representations
that
would
be
made
would
have
been
a
a
much
long
drawn
out
process.
H
G
Martin
yeah,
it
was
just
just
briefly
again
for
context,
and
it
was.
It
was
touched
on
earlier
that
the
exam
question
or
the
brief
as
it's
outlined,
was,
was
set
by
the
secretary
of
state
for
environment,
which
was
liz
trust
at
the
time
and,
and
so
the
design
that
came
forward
was
a
response
to
that
brief
and
in
the
context
of
a
flood
risk
and
in
this
sense
trying
to
prevent
ultimately
a
one
in
two
hundred
year
event.
G
If
and
when
that
occurs,
so
in
the
context
of
the
representations
of
rodley,
the
deliverability
etc
and
whether
we
needed
it,
which
technically
we
determined
that
we
didn't
all
of
those
factors
then
led
to
the
decision
that,
because
it's
not
needed,
because
we
need
to
deliver
this
essential
sub
protection
for
the
city,
we
need
to
move
forward
with
the
scheme.
That's
deliverable.
D
Yeah,
just
touching
on
insurance
has
the
scheme
been
presented
to
the
insurance
business?
I'm
just
interested
to
know.
You
know
people
that
once
this
scheme's
finished
go
to
renew
their
insurance.
Are
they
going
to
get
flood
protection.
H
Yes,
absolutely
and
and
phase
one
is
a
good
example
of
that,
so
the
the
properties
are
affected
by
phase
one
they're
in
a
similar
situation
where
they,
many
of
them,
were
faced
with
unaffordable
insurance
premiums,
the
flood
maps,
everything
like
that
then
gets
updated
as
soon
as
the
scheme
is
completed.
H
All
the
insurance
companies
are
made
aware
and
then
and
yeah
everyone
benefits
from
that
system.
It's
it's
a
it's.
A
process
is
in
place.
D
Thank
you
chair.
You
mentioned
the
natural
flood
management,
two
million
trees,
if
woodland
creation
in
my
ward
is
anything
to
go
by
two
million
trees
planted,
doesn't
necessarily
mean
two
million
trees.
I'm
just
wondering
how
the
success
of
that
is
being.
G
G
I
Well,
yeah,
I
mean
whether
those
all
those
trees
will
survive.
It's
the
majority
will
and
it's
on
the
the
ongoing
management
and
I
have
to
praise
the
the
project
board
because
they're
dealing
with
a
lot
of
landowners
up
the
whole
catchment
up
to
malentan.
The
national
trust
is
doing
some
fantastic
work
up
and
around
malam
with
local
farmers
and
both
tenant
and
and
farm
owners,
and
not
all
those
trees
will
survive.
I
I
But
that's
in
the
context
of
the
hedgerows
that
are
being
planted,
which
is
but
leaky
dams
of
all
different
types
and
and
there's
a
fantastic
new
facility
at
boddington
fields
for
leeds
university
who
are
trying
all
these
different
types
of
natural
flood
management
schemes,
whether
we
use
the
plastic
surrounds
on
or
not,
and
you
know,
and
and
different
types
of
dams
and
and
those
you
know,
sinks
and
things
like
that.
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
going
on
and
yeah
it's
not
just
the
trees.
D
And
just
to
add
to
that
there
is
a
maintenance
arrangements
in
place
so
that,
if
trees
are
spotted
as
dying,
there
is
a
requirement
for
them
to
be
replaced,
so
we
should
get
to
if
that
was
a
question
that
was
asked
at
the
board
this
week
that
very
question.
D
My
final
comment
chair
was
we're
very
grateful
for
council
living
with
comments
right
at
the
beginning
of
his
session
when
he
made
compliments
to
the
team,
because
the
context
here
is
that
less
than
10
years
ago
the
city
had
no
flood
defenses,
maybe
one
in
five,
which
event
effectively
is
negligible,
so
effectively
no
flood
defenses
whatsoever.
A
A
No
okay
right,
so
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
process
that
we
normally
adopt
in
cases
like
this
is
now
the
opportunity
for
councillor
reeling
with
to
make
some
closing
remarks
and
and
john,
I,
I
hope,
I'm
not
being
too
unfair,
given
the
fact
that
what
we've
heard
is
a
scheme,
a
massive
scheme,
that's
been
determined,
that's
been
funded
and
that
is
progressing
at
pace.
E
Yes,
it's
fascinating
watch
this
process
because
I
see
it
at
one
thing
as
a
politician,
another
thing
at
the
moment
as
a
scientist
and
a
mathematician
and
so
forth,
it's
a
very
different
style
of
debating
in
different
disciplines,
and
they
all
have
a
part
to
play
it,
but
it
is
fascinating
to
listen
to
and
to
analyze
in
those
terms.
E
Well,
on
practical
terms,
I
was
asking
this
scrutiny
board
to
pay
some
attention
to
this
area.
It's
I
think
it's
pretty
much
up
to
yourselves
how
much
attention
we've
made,
but
I
think
it's
merits
attention.
It's
a
good
story
to
tell,
and
occasionally
there
are
some
hard
indigestible
lumps
in
the
mixture
and
that's
not
a
thing
to
be
afraid
of
it's.
The
job
of
the
student
need
bought
to
iron
these
out
to
deal
with
irritations
and
problems
and
to
to
facilitate
the
progress
of
the
overall
scheme,
and
I
don't
see
any
any
incompatibility
there.
E
I
think
any
scheme
of
this
sort
of
scale
was
likely
to
have
glitches
in
it
and
you
make
a
proportionate
response.
You
don't
go
overboard,
but
you
you
do
what's
necessary
to
make
sure
the
whole
thing
works
and
that
that's
very
much
what
I'm
hoping
the
board
will
do
now.
Some
of
the
scenes
which
I've
raised
are
pretty
minor
glitches.
E
I
still
I
listen
to
what
you
said.
I
think
you've
basically
got
the
the
farm
flooding
wrong,
as
anybody
can
do,
and
I
want
to
spend
time
with
yourselves
not
here,
going
through
it
again
and
looking
for
the
snag,
because
I
think
I
hope
I
hope
I
can
convince
you
that
there
is
a
snag
and
that
we're
proposing
a
different
flooding
mechanism
which
isn't
part
of
the
model
that
you've
run,
and
so
that's
something
to
do
outside
this
room.
E
Now
the
other
big
theme
which
I
I
think
needs
to
be
watched
is
about
land
release,
managed
retreat
and
living
conditions
in
the
city.
It
isn't
restricted
to
flood
schemes
at
all,
but
my
personal
view
is
that
the
housing
identities
that
we
approach
in
the
densest
parts
of
leeds
in
in
the
inner
city
and
in
holbeck
and
around
there
are
too
high
for
human
health
and
we
would
do
to
back
off
a
bit
and
basically
lift
people
with.
E
E
That's
what
I
that's
the
reasoning
behind
it
and
why
I
think
it's
worth
consideration
on
this
scheme.
We
may
be
too
far
past
it,
but
I'd
still
like
you
to
look
at
it
because
there'll
be
other
schemes
in
the
future
where
that
decision
needs
to
be
taken.
E
So
I
urge
the
board
very
strongly
to
look
at
housing
densities
and
what
we,
what
measures
practical
measures
we
can
take
to
ease
the
pressure
in
the
densest
areas
and
give
people
a
bit
of
open
space
to
to
walk
around
so
that
that's
a
another,
take-home
message
that
I
won't
look
at
and
as
regards
the
meadows,
sport,
england
and
and
environmentation
say.
E
I'm
aware
from
reading
that
there's
a
huge
debate
going
on
in
nature
conservation
at
the
moment
between
the
traditional
approach,
which
had
nature
reserves,
sort
of
walled
off
and
you
went
to
a
nature
reserve
in
mallon
and
north
yorkshire
and
you
looked
around
and
you
were
separated
cut
off
from
from
the
ordinary
hunters.
Weren't
allowed
in.
You
had
to
be
on
a
book
trip
and
so
forth
and
you'll
see
that
in
in
leeds
in
adel.
The
avalanche
nature
reserve
there.
E
But
the
key
you
have
to
let
yourself
in
very
informal.
But
nevertheless,
that's
the
idea
and
there's
a
younger,
more
modern
generation
of
people
involved
in
nature
conservation
who
don't
see
in
these
terms.
They
say:
human
beings
are
a
natural
species.
They
live
on.
The
earth
are
the
most
sexual,
most
successful,
top
predator,
ever
and
they're
part
of
the
picture,
so
their
nature
reserves
are
open
access
to
a
regulated
access.
E
I
think,
but
they
are
basically
open
to
the
public
and
you
try
to
stop
any
anti-social,
behavior
and
destructiveness,
but
otherwise
you
don't
worry
about
who's
gone
on
them,
and
actually
I
find
that
much
more
attractive.
I
think
it's
much
more
suitable
for
a
city
like
ours
which
is
fairly
built
up
and
it's
been
a
debate
within
yorkshire
wildlife.
E
So
it
isn't
just
just
me
having
a
being
robotic,
and
I
think
you
ought
to
look
very
very
seriously
at
the
managed
approach
at
letting
more
people
into
nature
reserves
use
them
as
an
educational
resource
rather
than
to
protect
rare
species,
and
I
think
that's
sums
up
the
new
thinking,
that's
flowing
through
nature
conservation.
E
I
certainly
like
to
debate
it
with
your
wildlife
and
and
will
hope
to
do
so.
So
those
are
the
basic
messages.
I
think
you
do
have
a
monitoring
role.
I
hope
you'll
keep
your
eye
on
this
relief
scheme
to
to
be
pleased
about
it
as
well
as
well
as
critical,
and
that
we
shall
return
to
this
topic
in
due
course
and
review.
What's
happened.
That
would
be
my
wish
for
the
the
board
to
take
on.
A
H
Yeah
and
and
please
correct
me,
it
feels
like
the
the
summon
up
there
counseling
worth
most
of
that
was
probably
beyond
the
remit
of
the
scope
of
the
scheme
that
I'm
responsible
for
dealing
with.
I
suppose
it
was
just
that
initial
point
there
in
terms
of
the
flood
modeling
work.
One
observation
that
probably
make
in
response
to
that
would
be
that
there
has
been
a
high
number
of
previous
meetings
and
information
shared
on
this
specific
topic
and
common
ground
agreed.
At
that
time.
H
G
I
mean
just
some
summary
comments
share,
but
I
mean
I
think,
as
it's
been
outlined,
the
scheme
is
a
large
and
complex
one.
The
brief
was
set
by
the
secretary
of
state
that
we
were
obligated
to
respond
to
90
percent
of
the
funding,
for
this
game
has
come
from
government,
so
they
have
a
critical
role
here,
which
was
through
their
approval
both
by
the
environment
agency,
defra
and
her
majesty's
treasury.
It's
that
approved
scheme
that
was
also
approved
by
executive
board
that
on
monday,
is
to
deliver.
G
To
that
end,
we
went
on
site
in
january
2020,
so
we're
currently
forecasting
a
conclusion
in
autumn
2023,
so
we're
more
than
halfway
through
the
delivery
of
this
scheme.
The
point
I
didn't
quite
understand
from
councillor
illinois
points
on
kirkstall
meadows
is,
and
it
might
be
a
different
site,
but
I
see
coastal
meadows
as
a
privately
owned
piece
of
land
that
is
currently
rugby
pitches
in
terms
of
how
it's
laid
out
and
the
landowner
has
a
desire
for
them
to
be
used
as
rugby
pitches.
I
I'd
just
like
to
say
to
tribute
I
mean
this
started
before
I
became
a
counselor
and
but
to
deliver.
This
type
of
whole
catchment
scheme
in
10
years
is
incredible,
with
all
the
complexity
that
people
have
talked
about
martin's
just
mentioned
mentioned
here,
it's
innovative
as
well.
I
If
you
look
at
the
movable
weirs
in
the
city
center,
the
fact
that
the
walls
are
glass
so
that
we
can
have
that
amenity
space
and
enjoy
being
down
by
the
river
to
tiny
little
things
like
the
steps
up
and
that's
actually
near
a
bridge
over
the
air
in
the
city
centre.
That's
actually
a
flood
defense
mechanism,
but
nobody
would
ever
notice
that
it
was
one
of
this.
The
days
of
building
walls,
thankfully,
were
we
got
rid
of
and
gary,
and
I
got
into
trouble
from
the
environment
agency
for
mentioning
that.
I
But
you
know
it
was
true
that
they
were
going
to
be
over
three
meters
high,
which
would
have
been
horrific
in
these
in
both
in
kirk's
or
the
city
centre
and
and
and
other
places
as
well.
So
I'm
really
pleased
from
a
climate
emergency
and
an
ecological
emergency
that
so
much
is
been.
I
Attention
has
been
paid
to
biodiversity
and
natural
flood
management
and
including
kirksell
meadows,
and
I,
like
my
eel,
slides
and
otter,
runs
and
salmon
jumps
and
all
the
rest
of
it
that
you
know
beside
the
weirs
in
the
city
center
and
people
should
have
a
walk
around.
It's
fascinating.
It's
absolutely
fascinating
and
I've
been
very
lucky
to
be
able
to
do
so.
I
We
are
nearly
finished
this.
So
in
terms
of
going
and
changing
anything,
that's
very
difficult.
It
went
through
all
the
statutory
planning
processes
we
can't.
As
a
council,
you
can't
be
held
accountable
that
if
somebody
misses
those
communications,
those
emails,
those
those
communications
are
put
out
in
the
normal
planning
way
or
exec
board
reports
and
I've
never
been
lucky
enough
to
go
to
mexico,
but
yeah.
I
I
I
you
know
we
can't
be
held
responsible
for
what
some
people
may
or
may
not
see,
and
it
has
to
be
taken
in
a
whole
catchment.
That's
the
way
that
the
world's
going
we
used
to
focus
on
as
a
country.
We
used
to
focus
on
that
immediate
problem,
but
actually
the
problem
starts
up
at
malam
town,
where
martin
and
I
spent
a
very
cold
snowy
day,
filming
up
there.
I
So
yeah
we
and
I'm
really
really
pleased
from
ecological
climate
emergency
and
the
flood
protection
that
this
will
give
to
people
who,
quite
rightly,
are
very
nervous
in
the
center
of
leeds
after
boxing
day
2015..
So
thank
you.
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
helen.
I
think
I
now
have
a
very
difficult
positioning
chair
to
kind
of
summarize
where,
where
we
might
go,
actually,
I
think
it's
probably
much
more
simple
than
the
very
detailed
and
complicated
discussion
that
we
had
might
suggest,
as
I
think
john
is
acknowledged
and
helen
is
quite
rightly
reinforced.
A
A
Nevertheless,
some
of
the
points
that
he's
made
in
respect
to
this
scheme
should
be
applied
to
those,
and
we
can
ask
the
questions
in
in
respect
of
them.
Richard
couldn't
come
back
to
you.
Were
you
acquiescing
in
councillor
illinois
request
to
meet
further
with
you
to
discuss
the
issue
of
the
farm.
H
As
I
say,
if
we
feel
that's
a
good
use
of
results,
but
what
I
would
point
out
in
just
really
fast
is
that
we
have
had
several
other
meetings
already
and
I
think,
in
order
to
maybe
respond
to
the
detailed
calculations
which
council
early
work
probably
wants
to
sort
of
scrutinize.
I
would
have
to
re-contract
with
the
specialist
national
modeling
contractors
that
we
had
at
the
time,
which
obviously
you
may
appreciate
that,
given
where
we
are
with
the
scheme.
H
They're
currently
not
actively
involved
with
the
day-to-day
running,
but
I'm
I'm
happy
to
do
that
if
we
feel
that
would
be
productive.
Obviously
I'll
do
what
I'm
told.
I
I
actually
can
I
say,
as
the
executive
board
member,
I
can't
see
how
that
would
be
a
a
good
use
of
resources,
enough
money
and
once
spent
you
know,
this
scheme
has
come
out
at
20
million
less
than
the
original
scheme
that
was
left
and
I'd
rather
spend
that
money
on
planting
a
few
more
trees.
Thanks.
B
Can
I
just
say
that
we
appreciate-
and
we
admire
and
obviously
leads
us
come
a
long
way
with
flood
defense
over
the
years
and
councillor
illinsworth
has
had
a
lot
to
say
about
it.
However,
counselor
illinois
is
offered
wanting
a
meeting
to
show
his
model,
I'm
finding
it
quite
difficult
why
it
would
cost
a
fortune
to
meet
with
him
to
go
through
his
model.
A
It's
not
just
an
issue
of
john
meeting
with
the
officers.
I
think
that
would
be
straightforward
and
I
don't
think
they
would
find
the
problem
with
that
he's
having
to
recommission
the
specialists,
who
provide
advice
and
who
presumably
could
comment
on
the
data
that
counselor
rolling
with
feels
he's
got
to
put
forward.
So
I
think
that's
what
counselor
hayden
was
referring
to
not
just
a
meeting,
but
the
resource
implication
of
recommissioning
those
experts
and
and
martin,
were
you
wanting
to
come
back
on
that
it.
G
A
E
Watching
I
was
going
to
say,
we
have
some
much
cheaper
expertise,
expertise
in
leads,
which
is
the
climate
emergency,
steering
people,
there's
enough
expertise
on
that,
but
who
are
local
to
us
and
we
don't
charge
it
for
fortune
to
resolve
this
issue.
It
doesn't
actually
need
to
bring
in
national
consultancy
it's
something
which
we
could
do
in-house.
A
G
It
it's
a
matter
for
the
hydrological
experts
chair.
It's
it's
it's
not
about
semi-informed
comment,
because,
ultimately,
anything
that
comes
forward
and
the
the
environment
agency
would
have
to
be
satisfied
and
it's
about
a
detailed
modeled
evidence
base
from
an
assured
source,
because
this
is
this.
This
is
a
formal
flood
defense
scheme.
It's
not
it's,
not
something!
That's
been
pulled
together
by
semi-informed
people
that
have
some
knowledge
in
this
area.
It's
got
to
be
an
accredited
scheme.
B
As
far
as
I
I
understand,
the
scheme
is
set
in
place,
it's
going
ahead,
no
matter
what,
because
it's
been
approved
and
it's
been
to
planning
and
it's
been
to
wherever
it
needed
to
go.
However,
having
a
look
at
someone
else's
opinion
about,
you
know
having
a
someone
else's
opinion
about
what
they
think
should
happen,
isn't
gonna
affect
the
scheme.
Is
it
it's
just
seeing
it
it's
already.
There
is
nothing
that
can
be
done.
B
What
john
come
up
with
it's
just
for
for
future
into
all
that
could
look
at
it
and
say
we
never
thought
of
that.
You
know
I
just
think
you
all
put
in
a
lot
of
block
in
the
way
you
know,
rather
than
just
we're
not
talking
about
bringing
in
all
the
experts
or
whatever
john
just
want
lead
city
council
staff
to
just
have
a
look
at
it.
You
know
there
there
there's
no
matter
what
john
shows
at
this
moment
in
time,
it's
going
to
change
the
scheme.
B
As
far
as
I
understand
it,
you
know
it's
already
set
in
stone,
john
and
you
can't
budget,
but
there's
nothing
wrong
with
me.
Looking
at
your
ideas,
you
know
that's
how
I
look
at
things
and
please
just
we're,
not
I'm
sure,
john's,
not
thinking
of
bringing
all
the
expert
to
change
the
scheme.
It's
been
approved
by
the
everybody
already
and
it's
going
ahead
and
it's
not
going
to
be
stopped
and
nothing
new
is
going
to
change
it,
but
give
counselor
illinois
a
chance
to
look
at
his
model.
I
Look
people
know
me
around
the
roundabout
and
I'm
more
than
happy
for
officers
or
myself
to
meet
with
anybody
to
discuss
things.
What
I
don't
want
to
do
is
to
get
into
the
to
the
modeling
side
and
because
that
would
take
experts
has
been
already
being
shown.
Councillor
really
worth,
though,
to
a
show:
councillor,
hamilton,
council
olympia
has
had
many
meetings
over
the
years
on
this
scheme
and
yeah,
and
richard
has
met
with
him
on
a
number
of
times
with
the
specialist
modeling
team.
I
So
I
I'm
afraid
yeah
officers
will
do
as
they're
told
they
will.
They
will
meet
with
council
willingworth,
but
we're
not
going
to
get
into
the
modeling
and
therefore
it
can't
it.
The
counselor
illinois
scheme
cannot
be
incorporated
into
this
very
complex
big
scheme
so,
but
if,
if
counselors
wants
to
meet
with
with
officers
on
the
kind
of
looking
at
monitoring
how
the
scheme
is
being
implemented,
I
think
that
might
be
a
better
use
of
time
and
resources.
Thank
you.
A
I
think
your
statement
is
pretty
categorical
there
helen
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
don't
instruct
you
what
to
do.
We
make
recommendations
and
the
decision
is
made
by
senior
officers
and
yourself
as
executive
board,
member
and
you're
quite
clearly
indicating
to
us
that
you
would
not
be
prepared
to
open
this
up
to
the
extent
of
recommissioning
work
from
those
who
could
crunch
the
numbers
that
council
linguist
would
would
wish.
A
But
I
think
what
he
was
talking
about
was
a
much
more
sophisticated
crunching
of
the
numbers
and
the
case
that
he
thinks
he's
got.
We
don't
want
it
coming
back
here,
I'm
not
prepared
and
I
don't
think
the
board
will
be
prepared
to
have
a
two-in-one
throwing.
But
am
I
right
in
saying
that
categorically
you're
saying
that
the
exercise
and
the
recommissioning
of
the
external
expertise
is
something
that
you
are
not
prepared
to
to
sanction.
A
You
right,
okay,
so
I
think
the
meeting
can
take
place
on
the
basis
of
it
being
with
officers
and
with
yourself
helen,
if
you
wish
to
engage
in
that,
but
not
on
the
on
the
basis
of
re-engaging.
The
the
consultants
which,
for
the
reasons
that
I
think
sharon
and
others
have
mentioned,
would
strike
me
as
being
an
expensive
waste
of
resources
and
time.
A
A
He
always
manages
to
work
in
some
wider
issues
relating
to
things
like
housing,
densities
and
open
space,
and
that
does
fall
within
the
remit
of
the
scrutiny
board
and
especially
in
terms
of
our
follow-up
to
our
long-standing
inquiry
on
housing
mix,
and
that's
something
that
again,
together
with
our
our
overview
of
the
planning
process.
We
can
certainly
take
on
board
john,
and
indeed
we
do
when
those
issues
come
before
us.
So
I
think
we've
got
a
way
forward.
A
So
with
that,
can
we
agree
those
ways
forward
that
I've
suggested
there
will
be
a
minute
and
obviously,
if
members
don't
feel
that
it
reflects
the
discussion
or
what
I've
just
mentioned
by
way
of
summing
up,
then
clearly
we
can
amend
it
if
necessary,
okay!
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
that
takes
us
on
to
agenda
item
11
sources
of
work
for
the
scrutiny
board.
A
As
I
indicated
at
the
pre-meeting,
these
papers
are
not
here
to
be
looked
at
in
terms
of
their
detailed
content,
they're
intended
simply
to
give
a
kind
of
panoramic
view
of
this
board's
area
of
responsibility
and
and
overview.
I'd
reiterate
the
fact
that
we
have
limited
resources.
You
will
see
from
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
I
think
it
is
that
we
already
had
have
quite
an
extensive
work
program.
A
So
can
we
perhaps
note
that,
but
that
doesn't
preclude
us
during
the
course
of
the
year,
identifying
areas
that
we
might
want
to
look
at
in
more
detail?
And-
and
I'm
just
wondering
I
I
I
say
this
with
strong
trepidation,
because
I
don't
want
to
open
up
a
wider
debate.
But
maybe
it
would
be
useful
to
have
a
paper
that
looks
at
those
areas
for
which
this
scrutiny
board
has
an
overview
in
the
context
of
the
impact
of
the
pandemic.
A
The
response
and
the
way
forward,
looking
at
how,
in
particular,
the
measures
that
are
being
planned
on
a
corporate
and
hopefully
coordinated
basis,
address
issues
of
inclusive
growth
and
economic
and
other
inequalities,
so
that
that
becomes,
if
you
like,
a
golden
thread
running
through
all
the
other
issues
that
we
look
at
during
the
course
of
the
year.
Would
that
seem
to
be
a
kind
of
sensible
thing
to
do?
A
Don't
all
nod
vigorously
whatever
you
do
we'll
do
that
anyway,
and
it
it
may
be
a
paper
to
the
board,
or
it
may
be
something
that
we
just
share,
informally
or
maybe
have
a
working
group
about
so
yeah
if
you're
content
for
us
to
to
proceed
on
that
basis.
A
Okay-
and
I
think
that
that
hopefully
brings
us
from
shuttling
through
my
faces
to
the
the
work
schedule.
As
I
say,
this
is
a
draft
document,
although
you
will
find
that
most
of
what
it
contains
will
be
areas
of
scrutiny
that
we
will
undertake
over
the
course
of
the
next
year.
However,
there
may
well
be
further
referrals
in
due
course
from
other
elected
members.
A
There
may
be
callings
which
we
occasionally
get
to
deal
with,
that
come
under
our
remit,
so
that
kind
of
concludes
the
meeting,
and
thank
you
very
much
everyone
for
your
attendance.
This
is
not
a
usual
first
meeting.
Usually
the
first
meeting
is
is
pretty
tedious
and
you
may
feel
that
this
has
been
tedious
in
some
respects,
but
it's
just
the
housekeeping
meeting,
but
we
have
had
two
substantive
items,
which
is
the
reason
why
it's
probably
gone
on
a
little
bit
longer.
I
think
we've
had
a
really
good
and
productive
discussion.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Everyone
for
your
attendance
and
contribution
becky
wants
me
or
her
to
know
that
the
next
meeting
has
an
earlier
start
time.
I
suspect,
because
the
room
is
needed
by
exec
board
in
the
afternoon.