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A
We
would,
you
know,
move
to
the
new
Arrangements
across
a
whole
range
of
areas
and
the
paper-
that's
that's
in
the
pack
today-
is
really
a
a
sort
of
a
progress,
update,
I
suppose
on
on
that
transition.
We
would
you
know
across
key
areas,
and
so
I
won't
go
through
them
in
detail,
but
just
in
brief,
the
first
of
those
is
around
looking
at
our
broader
strategic
framework
and,
as
you
know,
there
are
ongoing
reviews
of
the
inclusive
growth
strategy,
health
and
well-being
strategy
and
a
series
of
other
plans
at
the
moment.
A
So
it
was
about
looking
at
that
as
a
whole
and
using
the
best
city
ambition
as
an
influence
on
those
things,
both
ways
really
but
then
also
looking
and
the
main
point
of
the
paper
today.
The
section
of
the
paper
is
about
trying
to
rationalize
a
little
bit,
I
suppose
the
amount
of
strategies
that
we
have,
we
have
quite
a
lot
as
an
organization
and
and
I
think
there's
pretty
broad
agreement.
A
Because
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
first,
the
first
round
of
reporting
against
that,
and
hopefully
you
can
see
the
direction
that
we
are
heading
in,
albeit
what's
in
front
of.
You
is
sort
of
a
work
in
progress
and
when
we
come
back
again
in
June
says
when
we
come
back
again
in
June
you'll
see
it
will
have,
it
will
have
gone
a
little
bit
further.
But
there
are
some
examples
in
there
of
where
we
want
to
go.
A
For
example,
looking
over
a
longer
time
period
for
some
of
these
indicators,
they're
not
going
to
change
significantly
year
on
year,
so
we
just
need
to
take
that
that
step
back
and
see
how
we're
doing
over
the
longer
term,
the
Breakthrough
priorities
were
launched
in
the
ambition
and
the
appendix
to
the
paper
has
a
an
update
of
where
they
are
at
they're
all
moving
forward
and
at
the
pace
that
sort
of
the
relevant
resources
allow
I
suppose,
but
you'll
be
hearing
more
about
those
as
we
head
through
the
rest
of
this
year,
and
we've
also
taken
a
look
at
partnership,
Arrangements
that
we
have
in
the
city
as
well,
and
that's
an
ongoing
conversation
about
making
sure
we've
got.
A
It's
really
about
just
keeping
it
in
mind
as
we
go
forward
and
when
the
time
is
right,
an
opportunity
presents
itself
to
make
sure
that
those
partnership
structures
are
fit
for
purpose,
and
that
equally
applies
to
what
we
have
at
a
local
level
as
well,
and
certainly
one
of
the
outcomes
of
the
the
peer
review
which
I
know
is,
is
going
to
accept
board
next
month
and
there's
an
active
conversation
with
the
strategy
and
resources
scrutiny
about
the
peer
review,
there's
quite
a
lot
in
there
about
what
we
do
at
a
locality
level
and
which
which
connects
through
to
this.
A
B
C
Thanks
yeah,
just
just
one
observation
and
I
know
you
touched
on
it
and
that's
about
some
of
the
other
policies
and
programs
that
you've
currently
got
running
as
well
sort
of
Tandem
with
this
scheme,
a
new
one
that
we've
all
just
been
briefed
on
is
the
20-minute
neighborhood
policy
now
I'm
interested
in
that
the
20-minute
neighborhood
policy
looks
like
a
good
policy
to
me.
C
But
my
instincts
tell
me
if
you
were
to
Overlay
a
heat
map
over
leads
and
probably
the
communities
you'd
find
that
probably
didn't
fit.
The
description
of
the
20-minute
Community
would
be
a
lot
of
the
outer
communities,
especially
ones
that
slip
between
the
outer
towns
of
like
Morley
and
Rothwell.
So
communities
like
mine
in
Ardsley,
so
I
think
we
will
struggle
to
match
up
to
the
20-minute,
neighborhood
and
I'm
told
it
won't
be
fitted
retrospectively.
C
It
will
just
be
for
future
development
going
forwards,
so
our
community
misses
out
on
that,
but
we
then
turn
to
to
this
scheme
and
again
I
think
we
reference
the
the
social
Progress
Index,
which
is
a
significant
contributor
to
this
again.
If
you
overlay
the
heat
map
across
leads
you'll
see
all
the
focal
areas
will
be
the
inner
city
towards,
so
it's
almost
like
they
contradicts
each
other,
and
communities
like
mine
seem
to
lose
out
on
both
schemes.
A
Thanks
I
mean
on
the
specifics
of
the
20-minute
neighborhood
proposal.
There's
probably
other
people
better
place
than
me,
but
in
terms
of
the
the
overall
picture
that
you
sort
of
describe
I
mean
what
we
have
got
in
place,
as
you
say,
is
a
series
of
different
ways
of
looking
at
the
city
and
different
lenses,
the
social
progress
in
Nexus,
one
that
we've
got
this
set
of
kpis.
We
does
it
a
lot
of
different
lenses.
A
We
apply
through
the
Leeds
Observatory,
so
I
suppose
it
will
be
about
balance
of
all
of
those
things
and
as
we
go
forward
and
I
think,
certainly
in
terms
of
the
provisional
information
that
we
try
to
give
to
to
members
into
decision
makers,
we
will
try
to
bring
together.
You
know
many
different
forms
of
information
in
that
way,
so
that
so
that
members
can
make
judgments
about
about
the
right
thing
to
do
and
I
understand.
A
I
understand
the
point,
though,
and
certainly
any
specifics
that
you
think
things
that
might
not
be
adequately
reflected
in
some
of
these
sort
of
metrics,
for
example,
really
happy
to
have
a
further
conversation
about
areas
that
we
might
strengthen,
and
so
this
is
sort
of
version
one
and
the
starting
point.
So
there's
always
room
to
improve.
But
if
there's
anything
specific
I'll,
let
us
come
back.
D
Think
I
want
to
just
sort
of
reiterate
what
Mike
said:
really
20
20
minutes
by
car
and
I
think
the
reports
talks
about
10
minutes
by
foot
in
communities,
particularly
the
outer
communities,
as
Mike
says,
but
even
in
large
major
settlements
like
otley
we've
seen
a
hollowing
out
of
our
employment
over
the
last
20
years,
and
there
is
now
otley
is
their
de
facto
commuter
Town
dormitory
Town,
whatever
you
want
as
this
city,
and
primarily
this
city
has
concentrated
predominantly
unemployment
within
the
city
center
and
and
that's
not
just
the
council-
that's
obviously
The
Wider
business
Community
as
well,
so
we
have
to
get
in
our
cars
to
go
to
work.
D
We
have
to
get
in
our
cars
to
her
go
to
a
local
job
center.
If
we're
looking
for
work,
we
you
have
to
get
in
our
cars
to
do
a
variety
of
things.
So
it
is
just
a
comment
to
say
that,
whilst
the
aspiration
is
admirable,
I
think
the
idea
that
we
will
some
someday
return
to
people
being
able
to
live
work
and
play
in
their
communities,
particularly
places
in
in
in
in
the
outer
areas,
is
naive
because
I
don't
think
business
and
the
council
are
able
to
deliver
that.
B
Yeah
thanks
Sandy
I
think
as
you
say,
that
that
is
a
comment,
but
it
may
be
something
which
the
board
or
its
successor
next
year.
We
want
to
look
at
in
more
detail
the
20-minute
neighborhoods,
because
we
do
have
regular
updates
on
transport
policy
on
planning
and
on
wider
issues,
and
maybe
that's
something
that
the
board
would
want
to
commission
a
wider
sorry,
a
more
specific
agenda
item
on
in
due
course,
Sharon.
E
Okay,
mine
is
on
the
appendix
one
just
to
say
that
it's
great
news
to
hear
about
the
two
new
hospital
workers-
the
caseworkers.
E
However,
following
that
having
the
new
case
workers
and
how
are
we
going
to
get
people
out
into
off
the
hospital
into
their
homes,
if
we
don't
have
enough
care
working
stuff,
so
I
mean
that
that's
great
news
to
know
we're
gonna
have
two
Hospital
workers
and
then
my
other
one
is
on
the
selective
license,
for
it
says
just
Aerials
and
Gibson,
which
will
run
until
the
till
January
2025
and
we're
going
to
find
out
how
successful
that
was,
and
is
it
going
to
be
rolled
out.
B
Yeah
I'm
going
to
allow
that
briefly
to
be
covered,
because
obviously
this
is
a
generic
paper,
but
really
those
areas
cancel
out
Hamilton
full
outside
the
roommate
and
I
understand
from
and
I
understand.
Well,
because
this
is
a
broader
paper
on
the
on
the
best
City
ambition,
but
I
understand
from
Becky
that
the
point
that
you're
making
about
selective
licensing
is
actually
going
to
the
environment
and
communities,
but
so
perhaps
that
query
could
be
transmitted
to
them.
A
Thanks
yeah
I
think,
as
you
say,
that
that
is
being
picked
up
through
the
other
scrutiny
board
and
on
the
Breakthrough
the
Breakthrough
priority.
The
the
findings
of
that
select
dose.
Current
selective
licensing
initiatives
will
be
factored
into
any
future
planning
that
takes
place
through
the
Breakthrough
projects
as
well,
so
I
think
if
the
if
the
outcome
is
positive,
certainly
one
of
the
objectives
of
the
the
project
is
to
look
at
whether
that
could
go
further
and
that's
being
done
in
Partnership
between
the
housing,
Service
and
Health
Partnerships
and
others
as
well.
F
Should
come
back
here
to
20
minute
neighborhoods,
my
ward
is
serves,
is
served
by
geyser
as
a
center
and
Eden
as
a
center,
but
a
number
of
housing
Estates
are
outside
the
area
and
are
not
what
you
would
call
as
a
20-minute
neighborhood.
You
could
get
there
in
20
minutes,
buy
a
car,
but
probably
not
by
walking,
but
there
is
some
public
transport.
The
966
bus
service
currently
which
operates
and
serves
all
those
communities.
F
But
there
is
a
view
to
look
to
withdraw
that
in
February
because
of
cost,
so
we're
actually
going
back
rather
than
going
forward,
because
that
would
make
the
clouds
of
Queensway,
which
part
of
that
is
in
councilor,
lays
Ward
and
Westfield,
which
is
in
my
world,
would
be
nowhere
near
20
million
neighborhoods.
You
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
to
a
shop
by
foot
in
in
half
an
hour,
and
so
I
just
wondered.
If
you
had
to
comment
on
that
and
I
think
Mr
Farrington
did
want
to
comment
on
to
any
neighborhoods
before.
B
G
Yeah,
it
was
just
in
terms
of
the
points
made
on
20
minute
neighborhoods
to
to
make
members
aware
that
colleagues
in
planning
are
bringing
forward
the
scope
of
the
local
Plan
update
for
2028
to
2014..
That
scope
will
come
to
Executive
Board
shortly
and
that
will
include
Consulting
on
the
scope,
such
as
matters
of
20-minute,
neighborhoods,
District,
centers,
site
allocations,
where
appropriate
and
how
they
then
relate
to
the
Ambitions
for
20-minute
neighborhoods.
So
recognizing
the
city
is
in
its
current
position
and
these
are
long-standing
and
long-term
issues
in
terms
of
change.
C
H
Thank
you,
chair
I'd,
just
like
to
comment
on
because
you're
right,
we
haven't,
got
20-minute
neighborhoods
in
in
a
number
of
parts
of
of
Leeds
I'm,
incredibly
lucky
where
I
live
in
in
Temple
Newsome,
that
I
can
walk
to
Halton
or
Crossgates
I've
got
you
know,
shops
and
doctors,
and
and
what
have
you,
but
recognizing
that
this
is
a
problem.
This
is
why
it's
our
ambition,
but
this
has
to
be
ambition
going
forward.
H
We
can't
change
the
past,
but
we
can-
and
it
is
very
frustrating
when
things
like
a
buses-
is
with
drawn
or
threatened
to
be
withdrawn,
because
it
undermines
our
ambition
to
have
people
being
able
to
live
and
work
and
access
everything
they
need
within
that
20
minute
20-minute
scope.
So
this
is
about
going
forward
and
best
city
ambition.
H
I,
just
like
to
reiterate
what
the
peer
review
said
that
they
very
much
like
the
transfer
from
best
Council
to
best
city,
because
this
has
to
be
tackled
as
a
city,
the
the
climate
emergency
transport,
these
issues
around
20
million
neighborhoods.
All
these
are
held
that
the
helping
has
to
be
tackled
as
a
city,
and
we
want
to
have
those
Ambitions
to
be
the
best
city,
I
think
so.
H
Yes,
this
is
giving
us
the
mandate
to
go
forward
and
Tackle
those
issues
that
your
your
out
laying
out
there
that
prevent
people
from
living
successfully
within
their
own
communities
at
the
moment.
Thank
you.
B
And
and
I
think
it's
important
that
scrutiny
continues
to
focus
on
these
issues
and
clearly,
as
I
said
a
few
minutes
ago,
this
is
maybe
one
that
members
want
to
concentrate
on
sometime
in
the
future
and
have
a
specific
report
and
a
broader
discussion
on
and
I
think.
The
the
other
point
I'd
make
is
that
some
of
our
Ambitions
we
set
the
bar
very
high.
B
We
might
not
achieve
that
bar
in
every
area
in
every
aspect,
but
setting
the
bar
High
means
that
you
are
actually
trying
to
do
your
utmost
within
the
resources
available
to
the
council
and
its
Partners
to
fulfill
those
Ambitions,
and
it
is
easy
to
get
cynical
about
it.
But
I
think
we
shouldn't
discourage
people
from
setting
the
bar
at
a
higher
level.
I
mean
we
will
be
discussing
as
part
of
I
think
of
the
kprs
the
vision
zero
for
for
killed
in
seriously
injured.
B
Now
it
may
be
that
we
don't
get
to
zero,
but
I
think
the
ambition
to
reduce
it
as
far
as
possible
is
is
a
good
one,
and
it's
something
that
clearly
this
board
and
other
boys
have
got
to
Monitor
and
scrutinize
over
time,
especially
if
there
isn't
movement
sufficiently
acceptable
movement
in
the
right
direction.
But
I
think
this
description
about
20
minutes.
Sorry
near
20,
minute
neighborhoods
will
go
on
and
on
for
a
very
long
time.
B
I've
not
had
any
indication
of
any
other
comments
or
contributions.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
one
question
mark
and
it's
on
page
15,
paragraph
of
B
I,
wonder
if
you
could
just
give
us
a
bit
more
information
about
the
identification
of
the
areas
that
are
going
to
benefit
from
the
local
area
plans
and
what
the
time
scale
for
that
might
be
in
terms
of
excuse
me
in
terms
of
roll
out.
A
Certainly
yeah
I
mean
this
is
I
mentioned
earlier.
Some
of
the
work
that's
coming
out
the
the
back
end
of
the
peer
review,
if
you
like,
on
on
what
we're
doing
at
a
locality
level-
and
this
is
I-
think
we'll
turn
into
one
of
those
most
prominent
things.
Colleagues
in
in
communities
are
actively
looking
at
what
the
the
focus
and
scope
of
those
local
area
plans
should
be,
including
the
geographic
footprint
that
they
that
they
should
cover
and
how
you
might
group
Wards
or
Community
Committee
areas
together.
A
That
work
is
at
a
very,
very
early
stage,
but
I
would
anticipate
that
as
we
head
into
the
Autumn
of
this
year,
we're
intending
to
refresh
the
best
city
ambition
before
the
end
of
this
year,
and
certainly
the
hope
is
that
when
we
do
that,
we'll
be
able
to
bring
some
more
of
that
work,
that's
going
on
into
it.
So
I
would
think
by
late
summer.
B
Okay,
moving
on
to
a
gender
item,
8
performance
monitoring
and
I
will
that's
the
vast
retinue
of
people
who
we've
got
at
the
end
of
the
table,
some
of
whom
I
can
see,
but
vanity
I'm
afraid
has
persuaded
me
not
to
wear
my
spectacles
yet
again.
B
So
if
everyone
could
introduce
themselves
and
then
I
think
Martin
and
Emma
are
going
to
introduce
the
kpis,
after
which
I
will,
as
we
always
do,
go
through
them
one
by
one
rather
than
butterflying
all
over
the
place
and
I
think
that
helps
to
keep
the
the
discussion
focused
on
them,
so
introductions
first
and
then
over
to
Martin.
J
F
G
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
So,
if
I,
if
I
go
through
appendix
one
and
just
give
a
headline
some
of
the
relevant
indicators,
the
first
one
is
the
organizational
kpis
whether
the
one
here
relates
to
planning
applications
and
the
percentage
of
applications
determined
on
time.
G
I
think
what
you
see
in
the
first
table
is
the
impact
of
our
performance
during
the
pandemic
and
coming
out
of
the
pandemic,
where
there
was
a
mixture
of
limited
planning
resources
and
one
of
the
aspects
coming
out
of
the
pandemic
was
a
a
large
volume
of
applications,
mainly
as
it
shows
in
the
smaller
minor
application
sort
of
household
extensions
Etc,
which
we
struggled
to
meet
in
terms
of
capacity.
G
G
So
that's
the
overview
on
that
one
and
then
going
to
the
additional
kpis
requested
by
scrutiny.
You
have
unemployment
in
leads
and
in
July
2021.
That
was
at
five
percent
and
in
July
to
June
22,
it's
at
4.2
percent.
So
that's
a
fall
of
0.8
percentage
points.
G
The
average
unemployment
rate
across
the
core
cities
was
4.8,
so
it's
slightly
lower
in
Leeds
and
with
the
West
York
curate
at
4.2
percent
and
Yorkshire
and
Humber
at
4.1
percent,
so
broadly
comparable
to
the
Leeds
position
in
terms
of
new
business
startups
number
12
between
July
and
August
2022
saw
774
new
startups
in
Leeds.
That's
a
slight
increase
from
711
from
the
same
period.
G
In
the
previous
year
there
was
1.4
fewer
business
startups
in
Leeds
during
the
first
eight
calendar
months
of
this
year
can
compared
with
the
corresponding
period
of
last
year.
That's
according
to
date,
the
latest
data
from
Bank
search,
the
growth
rate
ranks
leads
at
59
out
of
309
English
districts
and
Leeds
accounted
for
15.9
of
all
startups
across
Yorkshire
and
the
Hamburg
in
terms
of
number
13
business
number
of
business
scale-ups
in
2019
that
stood
at
585
and
in
2020
it
was
605.
So
that's
an
increase
of
20.
G
That
data
is
provided
from
the
office
of
national
statistics
into
departmental
business
register,
which
is
now
available
on
a
calendar
year
basis
and
then
in
terms
of
appendix
one
performance
summary
on
infrastructure
investment,
inclusive
growth
carrying
on
the
latest
five-year
survival
rate
for
Leeds
stands
at
37.6
percent,
and
this
is
a
drop
of
3.2
percentage
points
from
2020s
five-year
survival
rate
of
40.8
percent.
The
UK
average
is
38,
so
our
37.6
is
broadly
comparable
and
again,
the
the
UK
average
fell
by
1.6
percentage
points
in
2020..
G
The
Yorkshire
region
is
39
in
2021,
also
in
terms
of
growth
of
new
homes.
In
Leeds,
we
achieved
our
Target
for
last
year
in
terms
of
ahead
of
the
3247
new
homes.
That's
the
third
time
in
four
years
that
we've
exceeded
the
core
strategy:
Target
we
missed
slightly
in
the
year
20
20
21,
principally
because
of
the
pandemic
impact,
and
particularly
in
the
first
quarter
of
that
year.
So
for
April
and
June
2022,
there's
534
homes
that
have
been
delivered.
G
I
think
in
large
part,
that's
through
the
delivery,
a
lot
of
sites
in
the
outer
areas
with
a
number
of
City
Center
schemes,
because
they're
mainly
Apartments
coming
in
blocks
and
tranches.
So
we'd
expect
to
see
those
coming
through
during
the
course
of
the
year,
but
certainly
there
is
a
healthy
supply
line
at
the
moment.
I
think
one
of
the
implications
for
us
looking
forward
on
housing
growth
is
how
this
starts
occur
during
this
year
that
we're
in
that
will
lead
to
completions
in
two
or
three
years
time.
In
the
context
of
a
recession,
foreign.
G
Homes,
the
new
affordable
homes,
Target
increase
from
1158
to
1230
annually,
and
that
comprises
an
annual
in-year
Target
of
434,
and
you
see
in
the
table
for
item
16
that
in
April
to
September
21,
there
was
188
homes
delivered
in
that
period
and
that
increased
by
41
between
April
and
September
2022
of
229
homes.
G
That
probably
relates
to
a
an
increase
overall
that
we're
forecasting
and,
as
members
may
be
aware,
we
brought
the
affordable
housing
plan
to
executive
board
at
the
end
of
last
year,
where
we
see
a
pipeline
that
should
get
us
to
750
units
per
annum
in
the
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
G
That
includes
our
own
new
build
program
where,
in
the
end
of
last
year,
we
completed
affordable
homes
in
armley
seacroft
as
locations,
and
there
are
currently
287
units
under
construction
out
of
the
pipeline
of
1145
new
build
homes,
and
that
then
also
links
to
other
large,
affordable
housing
schemes
on
site
or
sites
with
large
amounts
of
affordable
housing,
such
as
the
Guinness
partnership,
who
are
delivering
928
Homes
at
Point,
Cross
of
which
311
are
affordable
and
also
our
pipeline
being
supported
by
the
amount
of
money
that
we've
secured
through
the
Brownfield
housing
fund,
which
could
potentially
include
435,
affordable
homes.
G
Then,
in
terms
of
residential
built
to
the
required,
accessible
and
adaptable
standard,
that
has
been
a
positive
increase
in
terms
of
the
number
of
homes
that
meet
that
standard,
going
from
30.05
in
22.21
to
49.1
percent
in
22
23
for
m42
and
policy
m43
rising
from
1.9
percent
to
two
percent
in
terms
of
ksi's
number
of
people
killed
or
seriously
injured
in
road
traffic
collisions
between
July
and
September
2022.
G
Across
all
Road
users,
there
were
143
people
killed
or
seriously
injured,
that
compares
to
123
in
the
same
period
in
2021
and
93
in
the
same
period
in
2020.,
so
I
think.
Certainly
we
see.
As
road
traffic
has
returned
more
to
normal
levels,
post
the
pandemic,
then,
unfortunately,
the
number
of
ksi's
has
also
increased
and
then
regard
to
children
and
young
people.
The
ksis
for
road
traffic
collisions
in
Leeds
was
13
in
the
same
period
in
2020,
1
and
22
for
that
July
to
September
period
in
2022.
G
So
again
an
increase
there
and
linked
to
that.
You
touched
on
that
earlier
that
the
road
leads
Road
safe,
the
lead,
safe
roads.
Partnership
has
developed
the
vision,
zero
strategy
and
that
has
started
to
be
implemented
where,
as
I
drove
into
the
city
today,
he
saw
the
messaging
on
the
highway
about
the
personal
responsibility
of
the
driver
in
their
car,
which
was
good
to
see
foreign.
G
Satisfaction
with
a
range
of
transport
services
at
number
20
and
in
21
22,
that
was
achieving
6.6
out
of
10
and
in
21
22.
G
It's
gone
down
to
6.5,
so
a
marginal
production
there
on
City
Center
football
in
September
2019,
there
was
four
million
632
000
visitors
and
in
September
22
that
was
four
million
one
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
visitors,
so
a
fall
of
about
10.5
percent
over
the
period
and
certainly
I
think
what
we're
seeing
is
good
for
for
weekends,
less
so
in
the
week,
and
particularly
Mondays
being
quieter,
but
certainly
2022
is
better
than
2021,
but
we're
not
fully
yet
at
the
level
of
returning
to
2019
football
football
levels.
G
And
I
think
does
that
cover
all
of
the
API
share.
E
B
Thanks
Martin
I
just
wondered
if
you
wanted
to
make
reference
to
the
the
charts
on
pages
41
to
45,
because
they
obviously
relate
to
a
number
of
issues
that
aren't
necessarily
coming
directly
by
kpis.
But,
as
we've
got
excuse
me
as
we've
got
them
in
front
of
us
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
wanted
to
make
any
comments
on
those.
I
Yeah,
perhaps
I
couldn't
step
in
there
just
with
a
couple
of
comments
on
me.
The
overall
format
of
the
report
itself,
so
Mike's
already
obviously
set
out
the
context
of
this
being
a
transitional
year
for
the
best
city
ambition
and
therefore
this
report
is
a
work
in
progress.
Moving
towards
something
different
and
there's
an
appendix
2.
You
will
have
seen
the
performance
indicators
under
the
best
city.
Ambition
are
contained
within
there.
I
That
is
a
draft
in
its
first
iteration
that
members
of
our
team
are
still
working
on,
and
you
will
hopefully
have
noted
that
that
does
contain
everything
at
the
minute.
We
are
providing
that
as
an
appendix
to
all
performance
reports
going
to
all
scrutiny
boards
and
asking
members
for
any
comments
on
the
format
and
we'll
take
on
board
any
feedback
than
you
have
there.
What
we
are
moving
towards
is
having
something
that
will
be
tailored
to
each
board,
so
that
would
therefore
include
the
organizational
indicators
and
those
additional
kpis
that
were
agreed.
I
B
C
The
kpi
effect
for
the
best
setting
ambition
is
that
right,
yeah,
so
I
I
guess
for
me,
like
you
say,
this
is
definitely
obviously
work
in
progress
because
I
mean
some
of
the
the
reports
were
a
little
old
and
got
a
fair
bit
of
data
missing,
but
also
for
me
it
was
interesting
what
I
mean
I
read
the
comment
in
the
on
page
25,
and
it
did
indicate
really
that
we'd
only
get
to
see
the
kpis
that
we
thought
were
applicable
to
this
this
board.
C
But
for
me,
if,
if
it's
part
of
the
best
city
ambition
we
should,
we
should
see.
Excuse
me
we
should
see
all
of
these
I'm.
Not
convinced,
if
is
that
the
full
pack
that's
proposed
at
the
moment,
is
that
the
full
kpi
pack
for
the
best
city,
ambition.
B
I,
don't
know
if
the
officers
want
to
come
in,
but
on
all
of
these
generic
sort
of
papers
and
the
budget
papers
are
a
good
example.
We
use
a
scrutiny
board
at
a
particular
remit.
Therefore,
we
concentrate
on
those
aspects
of
performance
indicators,
of
budget
proposals
that
relate
to
those
areas
for
which
we
have
a
specific
scrutiny,
responsibility
and
not
the
whole
panoramic
set
of
indicators
and
budgetary
measures.
B
It's
obviously
the
most
logical
way
of
dealing
with
if
every
board
looked
across
the
border,
every
single
aspect,
including
those
that
fell
Way
Beyond
their
remate,
and
it's
going
back
to
the
point
that
that
Sharon
made
earlier
and
I
know
she
was
not
very
happy
that
I
I
I
said
that
you
couldn't
pursue
them,
but
clearly
individual
scrutiny.
B
Birds
have
responsibility
for
particular
areas
of
the
of
the
council's
activity,
and
if
we
want
to
raise
issues
as
members
relating
to,
for
example,
health
issues,
then
the
best
place
for
that
to
happen
directly
or
indirectly
is
the
adult
health
and
active
lifestyle
scrutiny
board,
because
they
will
have
offices,
internal
and
external,
who
have
got
the
expertise.
Who've
got
Sharon.
B
B
We
are
responsible
for
scrutinizing
sorry,
a
bit
long-winded,
but
I
thought
that
that
was
something
that
was
just
recognized
as
part
of
the
role,
the
scrutiny
Birds,
this
scrutiny
board
and
other
scrutin
buds
and
our
rule
is
members
of
those
scrutiny,
birds
so
Mike.
Unless
I've
misunderstood
your
point:
does
that
kind
of
satisfy
you
that
they
they
will
be
looked
at
and
you've
got
colleagues
on
all
scrutiny
buds
through
which
you
can
ask
those
questions.
C
The
probably
it
was
the
answer,
I
expected
to
get
it's
just
that
for
me,
it
didn't
seem
to
be
a
particularly
large
kpi
pack
anyway,
and
I
would
have
thought.
It'd
been
a
relatively
simple
process
of
us
being
able
to
to
review
all
the
kpis.
These
kpis
I'm
told,
are
part
of
the
system
that
will
form
decisions
on
things
like
budgets
and
budget
spending.
C
B
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we
can
progress
this
any
further,
really
other
than
to
reiterate
the
fact
that
scrutiny
boards
have
particular
areas
of
responsibility,
and
it
is
their
role
to
look
at
the
kpis
that
relate
to
their
particular
responsibilities
and
for
every
school
board
to
look
at
every
K,
API
and
I
think
there
are
probably
many
more
kpis
than
you're
giving
credit
for
Mike,
but
my
Kiki
now
I
mean
I,
just
wonder
if
you'd
like
to
come
in
and
or
Tim
and
and
comment
on
the
number
of
kpis
that
relate
to
the
best
city,
ambition.
J
That's
right,
thanks
chair,
so
we
wanted
to
be
open
and
transparent
about
what
all
these
these
wide
spectrum
of
kpis
are
so
you've
got
that
broader
awareness,
but
we're
aware
also
that
there's
that
challenge
that
we
we
might
get
sidetracked
into
delving
into
areas
that
are
outside
our
remit,
so
I
think
the
planning
future
is
to
provide
this
scrutiny
board
with
our
slice
of
those
relevant
kpis
which
are
summarized
on
page
25
of
the
report
pack
and
if
any,
if
any
queries
come
up
where
used
to
sort
of
passing
those
on
to
the
respective
colleagues
on
the
other
scrutiny
boards
as
well.
J
So
that's
that's
where
we
are
with
the
best
city,
ambition,
kpis
and
we'll
also
include
all
those
kpis
in
our
annual
performance
report
that
goes
to
executive
board,
so
executive
board
members
get
that
sort
of
wider
picture
across
across
the
whole
spectrum
of
performance.
B
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
Sandy
I
am
going
to
go
to
go
through
each
of
the
kpis
in
order,
which
is
the
way
we
normally
deal
with
them,
rather
than
kind
of
butterflying
around.
So
going
back
to
page
26
and
starting
off
with
kpi
10
planning
applications,
the
members
have
any
questions
or
comments
to
make
on
that.
B
Don't
see
any
indications
so
moving
on
to
the
next
page,
11
unemployments
in
Leeds
any
comments
or
questions
on
that
could
I
just
interject
a
a
quick
comment
and
it
is
an
issue
that
raises
it
said
I
think
whenever
we
have
a
discussion
about
employment
rates
and
it
is
the
quality
of
employment
and
I
know
it's
very
difficult
to
get
a
breakdown
of
how
many
people
who
are
employed
are
actually
doing.
B
Maybe
two
three
part-time
jobs
are
on
Zero
Hour
contracts
are
basically
involved
in
bogus
self-employment
schemes,
which
we
know
are
an
issue
and
I'm
just
wondering,
and
perhaps
you
can
comment
on
this
as
you
as
you
normally
do
as
to
whether
there
is
any
way
in
future,
not
here
today
and
on
the
kpis,
but
of
breaking
down
that
sort
of
employment
structure.
B
So
we've
got
a
better
picture,
not
just
of
the
Global
Employment
and
unemployment
figures,
but
the
quality
of
that
employment
and
I
know
that
there
is
a
a
chart
at
the
back
under
the
appendix
of
good
employment,
which
is
which
is
defined
by
the
pay,
the
pay
scale.
But
I.
Just
wonder
at
this
point.
If
you
could
comment
on
on
that
aspect,.
K
Thank
you
chair,
so
yeah
happy
to
comment.
We
we've
been
working
on
this
and
discussing
it
as
scrutiny
for
several
years
and
we're
actually
doing
some
really
interesting.
Innovative
work
right
now.
We've
built
a
partnership
with
open
Innovations
who
people
may
be
aware
of.
K
They
were
previously
called
the
open
data,
Institute
leads
and
to
work
with
an
individual
who
has
expertise
in
data
and
has
a
PHD
in
this
area,
and
we
will
also
be
using
the
apprenticeship
Levy
to
recruit
a
data
scientist
that
can
work
in
this
area
or
an
economic
data
and
to
develop
kind
of
more
less
rigorous
in
terms
of
being
statistically
accurate
data,
but
more
current
in
giving
us
sort
of
indicators
into
different
areas.
K
So
we
can
get
more
kind
of
information
about
the
economy
and
I
think
in
a
few
months
time
it
might
be
a
useful
error
area
to
spend
some
more
time
on
with
scrutiny
chair
in
terms
of
letting
you
know
a
little
bit
more
about
what
we're
doing,
and
that
will
complement
that
work
will
complement
nicely
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
around
the
social
Progress
Index
as
well,
so
happy
to
happy
to
do
that.
Chair
in
the
future.
F
Yeah,
as
you
said,
yeah
good
employment
would
be
good
across
the
city,
but
this
is
this
is
a
global
figure
design.
It
would
be
good
to
have
it
broken
down
by
Ward,
because
I
was
on
this
board
previously.
As
you
know,
we've
had
many
debates
with
employment
and
skills,
colleagues
about
some
Wards
having
a
lot
of
unemployment
and
some
Wards
requiring
employment,
and
it
will
be
good
to
see
across
Wars
that
data.
K
Date
is
already
available
to
elected
members,
and
so
we
can
circulate
after
the
meeting.
Just
as
a
reminder.
How
elected
members
can
access
that
that
data
to
be
able
to
look
at.
B
But
maybe
just
to
follow
up
on
councilor
wadsworth's
Point.
It
might
be
useful
for
wherever
possible
when
we're
getting
reports
back
on
employment
initiatives
and
inclusive
growth.
If
if
we
could
just
have
some
sort
of
table,
that
gives
us
an
indication
of
where
those
disparities
exist
and
I
think
that
would
be
useful.
Wouldn't
it.
B
N
Thanks
Jay
for
this
kpi
and
the
next
two
I
wondered
if
it's
pretty
similar
to
the
last
point.
So
sorry,
if
you
do
already
circulate
this,
but
what,
if
you
had
any
data
on
the
types
of
businesses
that
are
thriving
and
not
thriving
so
much
I
I
was
at
a
meeting
in
my
ward
last
night
with
businesses,
where
we
had
some
Council
officers
who
came
along
to
talk
about
the
support
available
to
them,
which
was
which
was
brilliant
and
really
valued
by
the
businesses.
N
But
a
lot
of
Legacy
funding.
I
think
for
support
for
businesses
is
kind
of
the
B2B
sector
rather
than
business
to
Consumers,
so
I'm
very
interested
in
how
we're
supporting
business
to
Consumer
businesses
as
well,
which
are
the
majority
of
those
in
my
ward,
but
more
generally,
I,
just
think.
It's
kind
of
a
flip
side
to
a
good
employment
question.
Isn't
it
what
what
what
types
of
businesses
need
more
support,
either
from
us
or
from
our
you
know,
anchor
institutions
and
so
on.
K
So
speaking,
broadly,
without
having
you
know,
without
bringing
some
data
right
now
and
the
broad
trends
that
we
see
in
the
Leeds
economy
at
the
moment
are
that
we
have
a
very
thriving
digital
sector
and
also
our
Financial
and
Professional.
Services
sector
is
also
doing
well,
so
you're,
seeing
continued
buoyancy
and
growth
in
in
those
areas
and
that's
a
really
positive
thing,
because
those
that
that's
where
the
new
economy
is
moving
and
that's
so
therefore
we
need
to
we.
K
K
The
reason
for
highlighting
those
is
because
we
know
those
are
the
industries
that
were
most
impacted
by
covid-19
and
took
on
significant
levels
of
debt
during
covid-19
to
be
able
to
get
through
and
are
now
in
a
situation
where
inflation
has
been
is
significantly
impacting
their
cost
of
doing
business,
and
so
we're
not
talking
about
this
kpi
yet,
but
I
would
expect
that
we
will
see
an
increase
in
business
failure
actually
in
the
next
period
of
time
post-christmas.
K
It's
quite
common
at
this
time
of
year
for
businesses
to
survive
through
the
Christmas
period
and
then
to
make
a
decision
post-christmas
that
they
are
going
to
wrap
their
business
up.
And
so
we
we
do
need
to
be
thinking
about
those
areas.
And
it's
really
positive
thing
to
see
this
week
that
the
western
North
York's
chamber
has
actually
launched
a
forum
specifically
for
Hospitality
businesses
and
to
Champion
their
voice,
and
so
I
would
I.
Wouldn't
I
would
point
that
I
would
Point
scrutiny
members
to
that.
K
If
you're
trying
to
support
some
of
your
hospitality
businesses,
then
the
chamber
is
a
good
route
for
them
to
to
be
able
to
have
their
voice
heard
and
to
work
together
as
long
as
other
support
and
then
just
addressing
the
point
about
business
support.
Yeah
significantly.
The
programs
of
support
that
were
in
place
and
do
European
funding.
There
were
particular
restrictions
on
that
funding.
That
meant
that
the
support
primarily
had
to
be
business
to
business,
businesses
that
were
doing
business
business
activity,
not
necessarily
business
to
Consumer,
and
there
are
less
restrictions
around
the
funding.
K
That's
coming
through
gain
share
and
through
the
UK
shared
Prosperity
fund
monies.
So
as
we
kind
of
redesign
and
launch
and
extend
schemes,
we
can
change
some
of
the
criteria
through
that
and
there
will
be.
There
is
work
going
on
at
the
moment
and
to
secure
funding
through
the
combined
authority
to
continue
the
next
generation
of
Key
Programs,
including
the
adventure
program
which
supports
young
businesses
and
digital
Enterprise,
which
supports
businesses
for
improving
productivity
by
investing
in
digital.
K
B
Thanks
very
much
for
that
Eve
councilor,
Wilson
very
logically
ran
12,
13
and
14
together.
Do
members
of
the
board
how
many
other
questions
or
comments
on
those
Helen.
H
I
was
going
to
wait
till
we
went,
but
you
you
did
expertly
run
them
together,
Wilson
and
I'll.
Just
add
to
what
Eve
was
saying
about
our
focus
and
investity
ambition
as
well
on
green
jobs
and
there's
a
whole
program
of
support
in
in
order
to
develop
and
and
because
of
the
investment
that
we
as
a
council
and
other
anchor
Partners
are
making
in
terms
of
carbon
reduction
and
decarbonization.
There
are
businesses
moving
to
leads
and
setting
up
in
Leeds
and
and
therefore
starting
with
the
apprenticeship.
H
Well,
we've
already
started
last
in
2021,
but
there's
The,
Apprentice
apprenticeship,
Fair
coming
up
in
in
next
month,
and
the
green
jobs
agenda
will
have
a
huge
presence
there
in
order
to
make
sure
that
not
just
our
young
people,
but
everyone
can
be
reskilled
or
skilled
up
to
take
advantage
of
those
jobs.
Thank
you.
B
Thanks
very
much
Helen,
so
moving
on
to
15,
which
is
the
growth
in
newcombs
in
Leeds.
If
anyone
have
any
comments
or
questions
on
those.
B
Can
I
just
ask
a
general
question
in
respect
of
the
figures?
Clearly,
these
were
determined
as
part
of
the
council's
course
strategy
and
the
public
inquiry
and
the
inspectors
findings
from
them
and
are
intended
to
meet
overall
housing
need.
Although
we
will
go
on
in
the
next
indicator
to
talk
about
affordable
housing
delivery.
B
How
far
are
we
looking
at
the
sustainability
of
building
those
houses
because,
on
the
one
hand,
there
is
the
need
to
House
people-
and
we
also-
and
this
comes
up
I-
think
in
the
budget
paper
gets
income
in
terms
particularly
of
council
tax
from
these
properties,
which
helps
to
covers
some
of
the
Gap
in
funding
because
of
cuts
over
the
last
12
13
years,
but
I'm
always
Mindful
and
I
know.
B
Other
members
have
raised
this
in
other
forums
that
if
we
just
continue
to
build
houses,
it's
not
a
particularly
sustainable
way
of
developing
and
addressing
our
climate
change
priorities,
because,
obviously
all
those
houses
will
need
Services
they'll
need
their
waste.
Collecting
disposing
of
they'll
need
water,
they'll
need
Rosalie
transport.
We
know
our
public
transport
system
is
far
removed
from
where
we'd
like
it
to
be
so.
B
G
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
I'll,
try
and
do
the
total
football
and
give
the
answer
that
martinelliott
might
do,
and
he
can.
He
can
look
at
it
later
and
score
me.
G
G
That
has
been
a
Target
where
there's
the
expectation
in
government
that
we
we
meet
that
and
if
we
don't,
then
there
are
consequences
to
the
city
in
terms
of
developers
looking
to
bring
forward
sites
that
may
not
be
allocated,
but
with
the
view
of
they
are
then
helping
to
meet
the
need
identified
from
a
sustainability
angle
that
creates
the
prospect
of
unplanned
land
in
the
green
belt
coming
down,
which
is
not
sustainable.
G
So
there
could
be
a
change
in
the
dynamic
over
the
plan
period
going
forward
in
terms
of
the
weight
that
members
of
plants
panels
might
give
to
the
3247
against
where
it's
not
a
a
set
Target
but
an
advisory
position.
G
Although
I
think,
through
the
consultation
on
the
mppf
with
that,
is
not
resolved
at
this
point
in
time,
and
then
the
other
aspect
to
consider
is
that
the
current
targets
are
being
brought
forward
in
the
context
of
our
current
local
plan,
which
was
adopted
by
the
council
in
2014
and
takes
us
to
2028
that
went
through
the
inspection
process
at
that
time
and
was
all
the
sites
that
were
in
it
were
subject
to
sustainability
appraisals.
At
that
time.
I
think
I
think.
G
Certainly
the
local
plan
that
I
referred
to
earlier
in
the
meeting
going
from
2028
to
2040
will
again
have
sustainability
appraisals
as
part
of
it.
But
I
would
imagine
given
the
time
that's
elapsed,
between
2014
and
and
the
period
now
that
those
sustainability
appraisals
will
look
different
and
you
may
get
a
different
view
in
terms
of
the
sustainability
of
sites
that
come
forward
through
that
planning
process,
as
opposed
to
the
planning
process
that
took
place
to
adopt
the
plan
in
2014.
B
Okay,
thanks
very
much
I
think
is
Martin
Elliott's,
Alter
Ego,
you've
probably
scored
quite
finally,
there
I
think
this
is
something
that
that
the
board
will
want
to
revisit
time
and
time
again
and
I.
B
Think
our
response
to
the
the
draft
course
strategy
amendments
and
how
we're
trying
to
push
the
boat
out
and
maximize
the
impact
on
climate
issues
will
hopefully
help
to
bring
those
two
parameters
that
we've
talked
about
together
more
closely,
but
obviously
that
will
very
much
depend
on
what
their
response
is
from
government
and
through
the
planning
inspectors
to
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
through
that.
H
Thank
you,
chair
I
mean
it's.
It's
going
to
be
a
real
I!
Think
as
chair,
you
raise
a
hugely
important
point
because
the
demand
for
what
we
want
our
land
to
do
for
us
in
Leeds,
from
housing
prospective
employment
perspective
things
like
solar,
Farms,
growing
food
and
planting
trees.
There's
there
is
at
the
moment
and
will
be
a
huge
demand
for
the
for
land
from
various
different
and
I.
H
Think
we're
going
to
have
to
be
really
clever
and
I
will
give
us
an
intelligent
answer,
as
as
Martin
has
done,
and
but
I'll
give
the
laypersons
we're
going
to
have
a
really
clever
about
land
use
and
really
Innovative
and
Brownfield
landline
we're
developing
and
people
are
building
houses
and
homes
in
on
kirkstall
road
is
extraordinarily
expensive
to
clean
up
from
its
previous
chemical
uses
Etc.
So
it
is,
there
are
ongoing
issues,
but
the
determination
is
there.
The
ambition
is
there
and
we
are.
We
are
currently
well
over
80
of
of
home.
H
These
new
homes
built
are
being
built
on
Brownfield
on
Brownfield
sites,
but
yeah.
It's
might
be
something
that,
in
the
future,
that
this
board
would
like
would
like
to
look
at,
but
that
concept
of
land
use
and
how
we
use
the
land
available
to
us
and
how
little
and
we've
got
available
to
you
to
use
and
The
Innovation
that
coming
forward.
F
B
I
have
to
smile
slightly
at
that
come
in
Council
Awards,
with
coming
from
a
member
of
a
party
that
is
consistently
hammered,
the
labor
Administration
for
its
housing,
Target
numbers,
and
the
question
is
purely
about
how
we
look
at
the
sustainability
of
housing
growth.
So
it's
not
just
a
case
of
figures.
It's
looking
at
almost
every
development
and
saying
is
this
sustainable?
B
Because
if
we
just
grow
willy-nilly
and
say,
oh
well,
all
growth
is
good.
I,
think
that's
a
recipe
for
disaster
and
I.
Think
it's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
are
facing
a
climate
disaster
in
a
climate
emergency.
So
my
question
wasn't
about
the
figures.
It
was
about
how
you
subject
the
tests
of
housing
need
and
sustainability
in
order
to
ensure
that
we're
not
militating
against
our
ambition
and
to
to
address
climate
change.
B
So
I
don't
want
to
get
into
a
discussion
about
numbers,
because
it's
much
much
more
fundamental
than
that,
but,
as
I
say,
I
have
to
smile
inwardly.
At
the
comment
about
housing
numbers
from
a
party
that
has
consistently
say,
we
need
fewer
than
the
numbers
that
we're
currently
working
to
I,
don't
want
to
get
into
an
algae
budget
at
this
stage,
but
you
started
it
right.
Okay,
are
there
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
this?
Then
therefore,
we'll
move
on
to
page
32
and
the
figures
relating
to
the
number
of
affordable
films
delivered.
C
B
I
suspect
that
question
is
about
what
was
the
global
figure
overall
figure
that
we
started
from
into
which
we
divided
the
year
by
year
Targets
in
order
to
deliver
that
overall
amount
is
that
to.
C
Be
honest,
I'm
repeating
what
I
said
probably
exactly
12
months
ago
when
I
was
sat
here
and
it's
just
the
target
confused
me
and
it
still
does
a
little
bit,
but
it
relates
to
the
796
backlog
per
annum
and
it
was
the
per
annum
bit.
So
we're
not
actually
796
behind
as
I
understand
it,
because
I
think
it
was
explained
to
me
that
we
had
to
spend
10
years
of
per
annum
at
796
homes.
So
again,
I
said
it
last
year.
Does
that
mean
we're
7960
homes
behind
on
delivery
of
affordable
housing.
G
Possibly
best
if
I
could
provide
a
written
answer
on
that
Council
trust
well,
just
so
that
we
we
get
it
right,
but
what
you've
got
there
in
terms
of
the
in
need
is,
is
the
the
in
need,
which
is
a
function
of
the
needs
assessment.
The
amount
of
new
housing
that's
been
delivered,
but
then
taking
away
where
existing
social
housing
may
have
stopped
being
socializing,
because
it's
been
through
right
to
buy
so
you've
got
a
number
of
factors
that
then
impact
on
what
that
in
need.
G
Balance
is
in
each
year,
but
if
a
provider
written
answer
chair
and
provide
it
that
way,
if
that
helps.
B
Yeah
I
I
think
it
would
Martin
and
for
the
edification
of
all
members
of
the
board,
because
this
is
an
issue
that
crops
up
every
time.
We
talk
about
this
particular
kpi
and
I
think
it
might
be
useful
for
Martin
Elliott
to
provide
some
indication
as
to
when
we
might
be
minded
as
a
council
or
through
the
government's
planning
process
to
revisit
the
targets,
because
obviously,
we've
missed
the
historic
Target
year
on
year,
Target
that
Target
that's
intended
to
deal
with
the
the
shortfall
over
time
for
quite
a
few
years.
B
So
going
back
to
Mike's
point,
we
still
haven't
made
many
inroads
into
that
Global
figure
that
we're
expected
to
address
over
time
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we,
if
we
could
get
some
further
information
about
when
and
if
that
will
be
Revisited,
ultimately
with
a
view
to
to
reappraising
reviewing
and
rejuiging
the
the
targets
on
affordable
housing,
in
particular,.
G
Yeah
I'll
I'll
provide
that
note,
but
I
think
that's
why
it's
presented
as
a
a
need,
because
the
need
is
constantly
changing
because,
as
you
know,
so
as
we
go
into
recession,
for
example,
one
might
think
that
the
need
will
go
up,
but
the
problem,
the
challenge
we
have
is
a
supply
of
new,
affordable
housing
doesn't
keep
Pace
with
that
need.
But
I'll
I'll
provide
the
written
answer
on
the
basis
of
your
request.
D
Just
a
thought
that
came
to
me
really
I
had
to
look
up
what
an
M
for
three
standard
was,
and
that's
wheelchair,
accessible
I
believe
is
that
right,
yep
accepting.
B
D
Is
it
interesting?
Thank
you
all
I
was
going
to
say
is
we
have
some
really
wonderful
Ambitions,
like
no
deaths
from
road
traffic
collisions
some
other
hard
targets?
Why
accepting
that
in
a
multi-story
property,
we
couldn't?
Why
can't
all
houses
be
at
least
a
ground
floor
being
wheelchair
accessible?
D
Why
are
they?
Why
are
we
only
building
36
that
can
take
a
wheelchair
either
through
the
front
door
or
on
the
ground
floor?
Surely,
in
the
21st
century,
old
always
should
be
wide
enough
to
take
a
wheelchair
foreign
missing,
something.
G
So
that
the
target
that's
presented
is
the
target,
that's
agreed
through
our
planning
policy,
so
it
it
it.
It
sits
against
that
and
I
think
I
think
the
detail
of
the
answer
councilor
lay
will
be
with
regard
to
the.
What
developers
might
say
would
be
the
viability
of
doing
that
in
terms
of
the
cost
of
the
developments,
and
that
would
be
a
consideration
through
the
plan
making
process
at
inquiry
that
that
the
inspector
signed
off
on
that
being
a
reasonable
Target.
B
B
O
Scooting
but
I'm
just
wondering
whether
it
might
be
helpful
next
time
we
get
an
update
on
this
to
see
the
Gap
in
achievement
as
well.
I,
don't
know
whether
that
can
be
built
into
this.
These
progress
eight
results,
but
we're
aware
that
some
children
are
still
struggling
from
the
effects
of
the
schooling
lost
over
covid
and
it
might
just
be
helpful
for
the
for
the
more
sort
of
holistic
picture
of
how
progress
day
scores
are
doing
if
we
also
include
the
the
Gap
in
achievement
and
whether
that's
closing
as
well.
J
Yes,
thanks
for
that
was
a
useful
comment
and
I'll
work
with
colleagues
and
Children
and
Families
as
to
getting
that
information
and
including
it
next
time
for
you.
If
we
can.
B
Okay,
in
the
absence
of
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
that,
we
come
to
19th,
which
is
always
an
indicator,
always
a
kpi
that
exercises
the
board,
and
invariably
we
have
long
conversations
and
in
some
cases
we
actually
held
an
inquiry.
A
detailed
inquiry
last
year
or
year
before
councilor
Lennox.
O
Is
it
37
and
yeah
Point
number
three
in
that
those
points
in
the
middle
there
I
think
it's
really
good
that
that
language
is
humans
and
communities,
because
I
don't
know
about
everybody
else,
but
I
see
so
much
hysterical
response
to
suggestions
about,
for
example,
active
travel
neighborhoods,
because
people
think
that
we
are
going
to
seize
their
cars
and
force
them
to
ride
bicycles
around
the
city,
the
the
emphasis
on
humans
and
then
everything
that
can
come
from
that
I
think
is
a
good
way
to
take
that
language
and
I
think
it's
a
good
way
to
keep
going
with
that,
because
the
second
you
probably
you
you
suggest
that
you
that
we
offer
better
active
travel,
ritual
people,
they
lose
their
mind
and
think
we're
going
to
come
and
take
their
car
keys
away
and
lock
the
car
up
and
and
so
just
to
just
to
support
the
the
focus
on
using
the
sort
of
language,
humans
and
communities.
O
Obviously
we
all
know
what
active
travel
neighborhoods
are.
We
all
know
the
benefit
that
it
can
bring,
but
I
think,
given
that
we've
seen
an
increase
over
the
last
couple
of
years
and
the
number
of
people
killed
and
seriously
injured,
I'm
glad
that
we're
continuing
to
focus
on
this
and
stepping
up
our
Focus,
but
I
definitely
think
that
we
need
to
I
mean
this
is
the
result
of
it.
O
We
either
do
we
either
make
these
changes
to
our
roads
or
we
see
increases
in
people
killed
and
seriously
injured,
so
doing
what
we
can
to
make
sure
that
it's,
the
the
it
can't
be
hijacked
into
a
conversation
about
a
war
on
the
private
car
or
anything
like
that,
and
that
focused
on
humans
and
communities
is
a
good
way
to
take
it
forward.
B
Yes,
thanks
for
that,
Jess
I
think
one
of
the
outcomes
of
the
inquiry
that
we
did
in
more
detail
into
ksi's
and
the
as
we've
now
got.
Vision
zero
approach
is
that
we
should
treat
the
number
of
people
killed
and
seriously
injured
on
our
roads
as
a
public
health
issue,
not
one
for
highways,
design
and
Engineering,
not
one
just
for
enforcement,
but
actually
a
public
health
issue
of
the
highest
priority.
B
Given
the
numbers
involved
and
I
think
you're
quite
right
to
point
to
the
fact
that
we
need
to
humanize
it
rather
than
making
it
mechanical
in
the
way
that
a
lot
of
people
in
a
way
that
perhaps
a
council
in
the
past
has
been
responsible
for
for
portraying
it.
But
I
don't
know
if
anyone
wants
to
Helen.
You
wanted
to
come
in
on
that
yeah.
H
I'm
just
saying
councilor
learning
for
that
excellent
point
and
that's
dehumanizing,
and
it's
not
just
the
language
around
what
we
do
with
the
the
roads
and
our
communities,
but
in
terms
of
not
using
the
word
accident
anymore
and
not
you
and
we
do
still
use
that
vehicle
one
vehicle
too,
but
it
was
a
human
being
that
was
driving
that
that
vehicle
that
vehicle
didn't.
You
know,
act
on
its
own,
it's
not
Knight
Rider,
you
know
it's
and
it
taking
the
responsibility
for
all
of
us.
H
You
know
and
and
particularly
car
drivers
and
I,
just
want
to
huge
thanks
to
because
I'm
really
proud
of
the
work
done
from
by
Gary
and
all
the
team,
Lindsay
and
Jillian
and
and
the
adoption
of
vision,
zero
and,
as
you
said
earlier,
chair,
we
might
never
get
to
Vision
zero,
but
we're
gonna.
We're
gonna
work
towards
that
and
you
can't
have
any
other
number.
Can
you
because
what
number
are
you
gonna
pick?
You
know
how
many
people
killed
or
seriously
injured.
H
Is
it
acceptable
to
have,
but
also
in
terms
of
those
safe
roads
and
and
humanizing
it
and
Council?
And
it's
mentioned
the
other
benefits,
but
in
our
poorest
neighborhoods
we
have
they're
five
times
more
likely
to
have
air
quality,
related
illnesses
and
and
conditions,
and
and
yet
only
one
in
three
people
will
have
access
or
own
a
car.
H
So
you
have
the
most
deprived
communities
suffering
the
words
from
air
quality
issues
so
and
it's
a
it
is
a
public
health
issue
not
only
with
being
killed
or
seriously
injured,
but
also
with
the
health
related
issues
that
come
from
that
come
from
people
driving
and
not
driving,
well
enough
and
being
able
to
drive
in
on
roads
that
aren't
designed
for
for
the
car
basically
and
should
be
for
people
rather
than
and
that
streets
for
people
policy
as
well.
H
P
P
What
I'm
going
to
refer
to
here,
because
we've
had
discussions,
there's
a
relatively
short
stretch
of
Ring
Road
through
my
ward
proposed
to
go
down
to
50
limits,
there's
a
campaign
to
get
it
down
to
40..
P
Now
highways
officers
are
saying
bought
for
that
that
sort
of
Road
the
recommendation
from
government
is
50..
If
we
are
serious
about
this,
we
should
be
saying:
okay,
the
recommendation
might
be
50.
We
have
a
case
for
40.
P
L
You
thank
you,
chair,
fully,
understand
the
comments
being
made.
We
we
do
have
to
comply
with
the
DFT
guidance,
because
if
we
don't
experience,
has
clearly
shown
that
just
putting
speed
signs,
lower
speed
signs
up
doesn't
bring
about
changing
driver
Behavior
they.
L
They
need
to
feel
that
the
general
environment
gives
them
that
feeling
that
a
set
limit
is
the
right
one
and
if
you
just
plonk
a
lower
limit
in
in
a
particular
Road,
because
that's
what
some
residents
desire
that
doesn't
bring
about
the
the
effective
outcome
that
you're
looking
for
the
other
important
aspect
to
this
is
that
the
police.
L
We
also
have
to
make
sure
that
we
take
on
board
comments
from
the
police,
because,
ultimately,
if
we
put
a
lower
speed
limit
in
below
the
DFT
sort
of
recommendations,
what
will
happen
is
that
there'll
be
complaints
about
speeding
vehicles
that
will
lead
to
requests
for
the
police
to
enforce
and
and
it
just
becomes
a
vicious
cycle.
So
we
we've
had
a
good
track
record
of
lowering
speed
limits
across
the
city.
We've
introduced
20
mile
an
hour
across
many
areas
and
want
to
continue
to
roll
that
across
residential
streets.
L
But
the
the
national
guidance
has
been
put
there
for
very
good
reason,
so
that
local
authorities
do
do
abide
by
it
and
and
it's
the
added
and
final
Point
here,
is
the
idea
being
that
if
it
was
possible
to
transform
fur
yourself
from
one
place
to
another
over
in
a
Star
Trek
Type
of
Way,
if
you
landed
in
one
Street
in
one
city
or
in
a
in
a
part
of
a
county,
the
environment
would
give
you
a
feel
for
what
that
speed
limit
would
and
there
needs
to
be
consistency
across
the
whole
whole
country,
so
that
when
drivers
move
around
the
country,
they
recognize
what
the
speed
limit
may
be.
P
The
country
argument
to
that
is
there
are
similar
orbs
across
the
city
which
have
those
lower
limits.
That's
the
problem
that
these
this
particular
group
of
residents
don't
quite
get,
and
it's
an
issue.
I,
it's
a
place.
I,
don't
see
a
dancer
to.
There
are
similar
very
similar
roads
with
the
lower
limits.
P
L
Know
so
the
the
first
step
that
officers
will
take
is
to
actually
go
out
and
measure
the
the
speed
of
vehicles
and
that
will
help
set
determine
the
the
speed
limit.
So,
for
whatever
reasons
similar
roads
might
create
different
speeds
for
whatever
reason
perception
by
drivers.
But
that
is
the
starting
point,
but
I'm
more
than
happy
to
take
it
away
and
talk
to
traffic
colleagues
again
and
pick
up
the
issues
and
just
double
check
that
we're
just
being
pragmatic
and
sensible.
L
B
You
and
I
suppose
one
of
the
wider
points
that
comes
from
councilor
galvani's
comments
is
how
far
we
are
prepared
as
an
authority
if
there
is
a
justification
to
override
National
guidance
and
that
we're
not
simply
seen
to
fall
into
line
with
it
and
I
think
what
you
describe
Gary
is
a
process
whereby
you
take
all
the
evidence
into
account
and
would
be
prepared
to
make
a
recommendation
for
a
reduction
in
speed
and
you're,
not
simply
kind
of
beholden
to
to
National
guidelines.
L
No
I
I
think
increasingly
we're
we're
pushing
the
boundaries
on
on
work
that
we're
doing
in
highways
and
transportation.
Now,
in
the
comments
that
have
been
made
earlier
about
humans
and
communities
and
the
work,
if
you
that
you've
seen
in
the
city
center
is
stuff
that
we
we
would
like
to
roll
out
across
District,
centers
and
other
parts
of
of
the
city
and
our
healthier
streets
campaign
that
we'll
be
bringing
to
to
councilors
later
in
the
year
will
will
be
of
particular
interest.
I.
L
Think
in
that
regard,
so
we
Vision
zero
is
a
really
challenging
Target
for
us
and
we're
going
to
have
to
push
the
boundaries
and
and
just
to
illustrate
how
challenging
it
is
a
bit
division.
West,
Yorkshire,
Vision
zero
board
meets
on
a
on
a
regular
basis,
a
quarterly
basis
between
the
meetings
in
September
and
December.
There
were
11
fatalities
across
West
Yorkshire
each
one
of
them
be
careful.
What
I
say
here
was
beyond
engineering
influence
and
I.
Think
members
will
know
what
I'm
saying
there
there
were.
L
There
were
other
extenuating
factors
we
we
need
to
be
able,
as
councilor
Hayden
say,
be
able
to
influence
drivers.
You
know
why:
why
are
you
not
wearing
the
seat
belt?
Why
are
you
still
drinking?
Why
are
you
taking
drugs?
Why
are
you
excessively
speeding
in
in
local
areas
in
areas
that
you
use
day
in
out
day
in
day
out
often
is
the
case,
and
we
need
to
change
this
behavior,
otherwise,
yeah
we'll.
We
won't
get
anywhere
near
that
Target,
but
it
is
the
right
target
to
set.
B
F
Wadsworth,
just
just
a
quick
comment
on
speech,
because
I
know
the
the
road
that
councilor
galvani
is
referring
to
wanting
to
speed
lowering,
and
he
also
fairly
sure
that
I
know
the
road
he's
referring
to
where
the
speed
has
been
lowered
and
the
category
of
road
should
suggest
that
it
was
higher.
I
know
why
it
was
lowered.
I
know
when
it
was
lowered
and
I.
Don't
expect
Gary
to
comment
on
that
particular
road.
But
it
is
difficult
when
we
do
have
a
uniformity
of
speed
limits
per
category
of
road.
F
But
I
was
going
to
comment
on
on
point
one
and
point
four
on
page
37,
which
refers
to
what
you've
just
said
is
about
a
lot
is
about
bad
driving
and
I.
Think
this
week
must
be
bad
driving
week,
because
two
days
this
week,
particularly
this
morning,
I
think
I've
seen
about
five
or
six
really
clear,
offenses
of
bad
driving
that
could
have
caused
a
serious
accident
as
disobeying
red
lights,
texting
at
traffic
lights
and
putting
your
makeup
on
believe
it
or
not,
was
one
that
I
saw.
F
F
Think
nearly
every
police
officer
that
you
speak
to
says
that
the
standard
of
driving
has
reduced
since
the
pandemic,
and
there
must
be
something
in
the
fact
that
people
are
either
driving
less
or
less
informed
about
what
they
should
be
doing
and
I.
Think
that's
where
we
need
to
concentrate
our
activity.
B
Yeah
I
think
we'll
I
think
we'll
take
that
as
a
comment.
I
think
we
will
have
the
experience
as
I
have
kind
of
driving
up
there.
65
people
driving
suspiciously
slowly
and
you
think,
is
that
a
very
careful
driver
in
front
of
me
or
someone
who's
actually
texting
and
I
suspect.
Usually
it's
it's.
The
latter
councilor
Olson.
Q
Thank
you,
chair
slightly
picking
up
on
a
point
Gary
made
and
what
my
colleague
Council
Wadsworth
just
said.
It's
around
influencing
people,
and
it's
it's
not
so
much
what
well.
It
is
very
important
what
we
do
on
the
roadside
in
reducing
speeds
and
various
tiaros
and
such
that
will
will
you
know,
make
the
road
safer,
but
it's
also
about
educating
people
digitally
and
making
people
aware,
I
believe
on
two
occasions
at
previous
scrutiny.
Q
Boards
I've
mentioned
about
Crossings
how
we're
in
in
the
process
of
changing
from
the
old
style
Crossing
to
the
new
style,
Crossing
you'll.
Forgive
me
because
I
I
don't
know
the
terminology
for
the
two
and
I
did
highlight
previously.
Q
That
I
think
it
was
a
an
officer
had
sent
me
a
link
to
a
derby
Council
video
of
how
the
new
Crossings
are,
how
how
they
operate
and
essentially
how
people
should
use
them
and
I
think
that's
equally
as
important
that
we
are
putting
that
digital
resource
that
putting
attention
into
the
digital
resource
and
then
the
the
various
social
media
feeds
at
the
council
run
are
plug
in
that
and
pushing
it
out.
Q
Because,
ultimately,
you
know
we
want
school
children
to
feel
safe
when
they're
Crossing
I
I'm
not
suggesting
that
there
are
many
children,
I
don't
know,
but
I
would
like
to
think
there's
not
many
school
children
knocked
over
while
using
a
Crossing
but
I
think
it
it's
a
quick
and
easy
win
just
to
have
that
type
of
digital
content
available,
not
not
just
for
Crossings
but
for
other
things
to
make
sure
people
are
aware
of
the
surroundings
and
and
how
these
sort
of
systems
are
working.
Q
L
Yeah
I'll
just
have
to
check
with
colleagues
on
that
specifics
in
terms
of
what
they've
been
able
to
push
out,
but
the
point
you're
making
about
comms
campaign
effectively
and
getting
things
out
digitally
is,
is
well
made
and
it's
something
that
we're
actively
looking
at
and
I
I.
Think
members
are
aware
of
the
connecting
leads
brand
that
we've
brought
together
over
the
last
few
years
to
highlight
our
work.
L
L
I
just
have
to
look
share
the
road
to
zero
campaign,
and
if,
if
members
are
interested,
it
might
be
worth
having
a
look
at
that,
because
what
that
does
is
it
does
exactly
what
you've
just
said
in
terms
of
all
Partners
feeding
into
that
one
conduit
to
try
and
get
the
road
safety
message
out
and
if
we
can
get
in
an
Ideal
World.
L
All
eight
hundred
thousand
people
in
Leeds
signed
up
to
receive
those
messages
day
in
day
out
which
are
pumping
out
road
safety
messages
like
the
message
that
Martin
referred
to
that
have
appeared
on
our
variable
message.
Signs
today
about
Vision,
zero
and
Driver
behavior,
and
it's
that
you
drive
you
influence
the
right
foot.
Not
me
not
my
highways
and
transportation
service.
L
You
all
are
in
charge
of
that
right,
foot
on
the
accelerator
and
it
and
that's
going
to
be
a
major
piece
of
work
over
the
next
few
months
that
we'll
be
taking
to
the
vision,
zero
board,
so
that
counts
as
that
councilor
Hayden
can
comment
on
it
and
hopefully
we
can
approve
it
and
get
it
into
into
use.
L
H
Just
to
add
to
that,
just
because
Gary
said
that
they're
actively
looking
at
the
digital,
it's
more
than
looking
to
be
honest,
because
we've
changed
King
Street
in
the
city
center
to
two-way,
so
The
Crossings
will
tell
you
we'll
shout
at
you
to
look
both
ways
now
and
but
also
what
the
is
it
Dane
has
done,
yeah.
H
What
he's
done
is
contacted
Spotify.
So
when
you've
got
your
headphones
on
and
I'm,
not
this
Savvy
to
be
honest,
I,
don't
you
know,
I've
lost
my
I've
lost,
my
I,
don't
even
know
the
name
for
them,
but
anyway
they're
so
small
that
I've
lost
them,
but
if
you're
walking
along
Wellington,
Street
and
you're
Crossing
going
to
cross
King
Street
Spotify
will
interrupt
your
music
to
tell
you
to
look
both
ways.
Thank
you.
A
H
Yeah
exactly
so,
the
service
are
really
using
as
much
digital
infrastructure
as
we
possibly
can
yeah.
Q
No
thank
you
for
that
I.
Just
do
you
want
to
play
that
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
suggesting
you're,
not
doing
it
and
from
what
I
do
see.
You
know
it.
It's
all
positive,
I!
Guess
one
of
the
things
one
of
the
points,
I
just
don't
want
to
get
lost
in
what
I
was
making.
Is
it's
not
so
much
always
driver
education,
it's
also,
for
example,
educating
school
children
on
you
know
the
new
Crossings
and
such.
Q
If,
if
you
know,
I
mean
various
various
processes
throughout,
you
know
the
highways
and
I
don't
want.
Do
you
think
that
I'm
just
ranting
on
about
Crossings
but
yeah?
Thank
you.
B
Yeah,
we've
obviously
discussed
this
issue
so
many
times
and
I
think
we
reached
the
conclusion
that
there
has
got
to
be
a
greater
emphasis
on
awareness
raising
and
education
and
changing
driver
Behavior.
Having
said
that,
I
think
was
one
other
component,
which
we
all
wear
is
must
mention,
and
that's
enforcement,
because
I
think
as
Ward
members,
as
well
as
a
scrutiny
board
when
we
get
figures
of
traffic
surveys
that
are
undertaken.
B
We're
always
extremely
surprised
to
learn
that
the
vast
majority
of
militaries
in
an
area
a
driving
actor
around
the
speed
limit
and
not
exceeding
it
by
huge
amounts.
But
there
will
always
be
that
core
of
Reckless
and
irresponsible
idiots
who
don't
give
a
toss
to
use
the
vernacular
about
the
potential
impact
of
their
driving
and
I.
B
Think
it's
very
clear
if
you
look
at
the
figures
that
we've
seen
an
increase
since
about
2012
2013
in
the
number
of
people
killed
in
seriously
injured
at
the
same
time
as
police
resources,
not
just
for
addressing
the
issue
of
reckless
driving
but
across
the
board
have
been
diminished
and
I
can't
help,
but
think
that
there
is
some
correlation
between
those
two
elements.
So,
yes,
education,
awareness,
raising,
absolutely
vital
and
that
will
yield
hopefully
dividends
in
the
future.
B
But
without
that
enforcement
power
to
try
and
get
some
of
these
lunatics
off
the
road
and
I'm
not
naive
have
to
think
that,
even
if
you
take
them
to
court,
they
won't
then
go
and
drive,
even
if
they're,
under
the
Aegis
of
a
ban.
But
unless
we've
got
greater
enforcement
capacity.
However,
that
manifests
itself
I
think
we
will
always,
you
know,
be
behind
the
behind
the
curve.
B
Gary
I
don't
know
if
you've
got
any
perceptions
on
that.
The
relationship
between
enforcement,
police
resources
and
the
impact
on
ksi's,
but
you
know
I,
would
be
interested
for
a
brief
comment
on
it.
L
I
think
you're
right,
I
haven't,
got
any
specific
statistics
to
hand,
but
we
we've
made
that
point
in
our
industry.
We
always
talk
about
the
three
E's
which
you've
alluded
to
education,
I'm
gonna
forget
them
now:
engineering
and
enforcement
and
enforcement
has
dropped
off
in
in
recent
years.
L
What
is
pleasing
to
note
in
the
vision,
zero
board
environment
where
the
police
are
heavily
represented,
is
that
the
roads,
policing
units
seem
to
be
getting
staff
back
up
again,
which
will
help
this
agenda
because
everybody
has
to
pay
their
part
or
all
partners
and
engineering
factors
will
come
into
it.
Education
will
come
into
it,
as
has
been
alluded
to.
L
Communications
will
be
important,
but,
as
you
said,
enforcement
will
be
needed
because,
unfortunately,
there
are
those
people
on
the
road
who,
no
matter
how
many
signs
we
put
out
and
and
City
Square
was
a
very
good
example
where
we
had
70
plus
signs
out.
People
still
wanted
to
get
from
A
to
B
in
the
shortest
time
and
and
the
the
knock-on
consequences
for
everybody
else
were
quite
severe.
So
at
some
level
of
enforcement
at
some
point
in
time
has
its
place.
D
It's
true
we're
looking
at
moving
camera
violations
now
as
well.
Isn't
it
we've
I
know
my
colleague,
councilor
Campbell
has
asked
for
a
couple
in
otley,
but
they're
50
000
a
pair
or
something
so
we
would
be
able
to.
We
would
be
be
able
to
use
those
funding
funding
was
available.
Would
we
look
to
use
that
type
of
thing,
not
just
in
otley,
of
course,
but
across
the
city,
particularly
in
our
Community
streets,.
L
I
think
the
simple
answer
is:
yes:
we
are
applying
to
DFT
to
get
that
power.
It's
been.
It's
been
available
to
authorities
in
London
for
many
years,
and
authorities
outside
of
London
have
been
pressing
for
this
provision.
For
for
that
period,
and
thankfully
that's
been
heard-
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
acquiring
it,
we
we
do
want
to
deploy
it
in
a
in
a
reasonable,
pragmatic
manner.
We
we
don't
want
to,
and
I
exaggerate
to
make
the
point
have
cameras
on
every
Junction
and
every
street.
L
That
would
be
inappropriate
and
we
would
lose
the
public
with
that.
So
we
do
want
to
Target
where
it's
most
needed,
but
the
simple
answer
is
we're
applying
for
that
power,
and
we
have
a
number
of
sites
that
we
we
want
to
use
and
they
will
effectively
be
then
eventually
they
will
be
rolled
out
to
to
many
other
places
across
the
city.
B
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
Gary
I
think
we've
had
our
normal
wide-ranging
discussion
on
this
particular
key
API
and
with
good
reason,
and
obviously
we
will
be
looking
at
the
rollout
of
vision,
zero
or
rather
the
successor
board,
we'll
be
looking
at
the
rule
out
of
vision,
zero
on
a
regular
basis
and
that's
another
opportunity
for
members
to
rehearse
their
concerns
about
the
number
of
people
killed
in
seriously
injured
on
our
roads.
So
moving
to
page
39
satisfaction
with
a
range
of
Transport
Services.
Does
anyone
have
any
comments
or
questions
on
that.
D
A
simple,
pre-prepared
question:
really:
how
do
we
for
somebody
new
to
the
board?
How
do
we
measure
footfall.
M
Yes,
thanks,
chair,
probably
there's
a
sophisticated
set
of
equipment,
that's
based
primarily
in
the
city
center
that
actually
operates
a
camera
based
system
that
records
people
that
moves
past
various
points
at
various
times.
It's
an
industry
standard
system
operated
by
a
company
called
springboard.
That's
universally
used
in
many
many
places
all
across
the
world.
B
F
Wadsworth,
the
question
really
is:
how
are
we
going
to
try
and
increase
the
footfall,
particularly
on
the
very
quiet,
Days
Like
Mondays,
because
if
we're
not
careful,
we'll
get
that
places
will
close
on
a
Monday
because
they're
not
getting
much
footfall
so
then
no
one
will
come
in
on
a
Monday,
so
that
will
transfer
to
Tuesday
and
to
Wednesday
and
we're
going
to
be
a
three-day
City
before
we
finished
that
is
already
happening
because
of
businesses,
energy
costs,
so
it's
very
expensive
for
them
to
stay
open
with
only
a
few
people
coming
in
that's
happening
not
just
in
the
city
center,
but
in
the
outer
areas
as
well,
but
particularly
the
city
center.
F
K
Chair
I'll
come
in
first
and
then
my
colleagues
may
wish
my
wish
to
have
so
so
just
I
think
it's
probably
useful,
just
to
add
a
little
bit
of
commentary
to
the
kpi.
That's
in
here,
because
the
data
on
footfall,
obviously
we've
got,
is
very
current,
so
we
get
it
quite
regularly.
So
the
useful
thing
probably
to
update
the
scrutiny
board
on
is
that
the
overall
football
for
2022
was
up
34
versus
2021
overall,
like
when
we
got
the
data
to
the
end
of
to
the
end
of
the
year.
K
The
national
average
increase
was
30,
so
actually
Leeds
is
faring
slightly
better
than
the
national
average.
The
week
before,
Christmas
was
incredibly
strong
with
several
retailers
in
the
city
reporting
that
they'd
had
their
best
ever
trading
week.
K
At
the
back
end
of
2022
and
December,
football
was
15.3
percent
compared
to
2021,
so
I
think
the
just
just
the
overall
message
has
to
be
that
actually
leads,
as
a
in
in
the
context
of
the
city
center
is
actually
performing
in
the
context
of
the
overall
economy
in
a
in
a
strong
position
and
to
your
to
answer
your
question.
Yes,
there's
been
things
written
about
what
they
call
Tuesday,
Wednesday
and
Thursdays.
K
K
I
think
you
know
we
we
in
some
ways
we
shouldn't
necessarily
see
that
we
can
reverse
that
Trend
with
with
offices
and
employers.
It's
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing
that
people
have
some
flexibility
around
their
ways
of
working.
We've
just
been
talking
about
20-minute
neighborhoods
earlier
in
the
agenda
and
actually
for
some
people
to
be
able
to
work
from
home
one
day
a
week
or
a
couple
of
days
a
week
it
increases,
you
know,
improves
their
lives.
K
It
actually
means
that
they
can
do
other
things
their
life,
so
so
I
think
I
think
that's
here
to
stay
with
employers.
That's
certainly
what
we
see
in
a
very
competitive
labor
market
employers
will
will
offer
that
level
of
flexibility
to
their
employees
to
be
able
to
work
from
home.
Some
of
the
time
so
I
don't
think
we
can
change.
K
What's
happened,
the
the
acceleration
of
trends
that
happened
during
covid
and
I
think
what
we,
what
we
can
do
is
all
of
the
work
that
we
do
collectively
between
ourselves
in
Africa
from
it
developing
my
team
and
working
with
Phil's
team
in
City
Center
management
around
looking
to
make
sure
that
there
is
real
reasons
why
people
want
to
come
into
the
City
and
that
when
they
are,
they
are
here
they're
able
to
enjoy
themselves
and
access
things
that
they
can't
necessarily
access
when
they're
in
the
local
community.
K
So
with
the
fact
in
mind,
we've
just
launched
our
year
of
culture.
You
know:
leave
City
Center,
provides
access
to
cultural
experiences
that
you
can't
get
elsewhere
and
also
retail
experiences
of
a
very
high
quality,
which
are
things
that
people
want
to
do
when
they
come
in
for
work.
So
it's
it's
a
sort
of
combination
of
effects
and
we
keep
working
working
on
those.
K
M
Okay
and
and
chair
I
just
add
on
to
that
realistically
that
we
don't
have
all
the
levers
to
actually
make
those
changes.
But
what
we
do
have
is
we
have
very
strong
partnership
relationships
across
retail
and
Hospitality,
particularly
in
your
city
center,
we're
keeping
very
close
contact
with
them
and,
as
either
said
you
know,
our
role
is
putting
in
place
measures
that
make
sure
that
the
city
center
is
animated
and
curated
possible
better
than
it
may
have
been
done
previously.
M
M
I
wouldn't
underestimate
the
issue
about
Hospitality
in
that,
and
obviously
it's
a
strong
draw
in
Leeds.
It
has
been
for
a
very
long
time
and
we're
very
conscious
of
working
with
hospitality
businesses
to
try
to
do
everything
that
we
possibly
can
to
make
that
as
an
attractive
proposition
as
possible
people
to
come
into
the
city
center.
B
Hey,
thank
you.
Nicole
councilor,
Sean,.
R
Thanks
chair
Eve's,
touched
on
my
question
actually,
but
I
just
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
the
difference
on
football
Christmas
2019
to
a
cost
of
living
crisis.
Christmas
fall
for
2022.
I
appreciate
we're
honored
second
week
in
January,
so
you
probably
haven't
got
that
information
but
I
just
think
that'd
be
interesting
to
see
foreign.
G
B
Thanks
very
much
Martin.
If
you
could
provide
that
information
to
Becky,
then
she
can
disseminate
it
to
board
members
before
we
move
up
off
this
particular
item.
Just
just
just
one
question
on
page
45
and
the
the
charts,
the
graphs
that
we've
got
on
there
and
I'm
just
looking
at
the
the
top
one
on
low
carbon
and
the
fact
that
of
the
course
cities
lead
seems
to
be,
albeit
on
a
slightly
historic
figure
lagging
behind
the
other
core
cities.
B
If
I
remember
rightly
when
we
discussed
this
in
the
past,
part
of
that
has
been
because
we
have
an
airport
operating
within
our
boundaries
and
some
of
the
other
core
cities.
The
airports
that
serve
them
are
not
actually
within
their
District
boundaries
is.
Is
that
the
main
reason
for
that
Lego
or
is
there?
Is
there
anything
else.
G
If
you're
testing
my
geography
there
sure
certainly
Manchester
Airport-
is
within
the
Manchester
local
Authority
boundary
Bristol
is
in
a
district.
Authority
Nottingham's
airport
is
not
in
Nottingham,
City,
Sheffield,
I,
suppose
the
airport
there
would
be
Doncaster
Sheffield
which
no
longer
operates.
G
B
B
Perhaps
that
could
be
disseminated
informally
through
to
members,
but
it
does
seem
to
be
quite
a
big
gap
and
and
I
thought
part
of
the
explanation
that
we're
given
previously
was
having
an
operational
airport
within
a
boundaries,
but
you
seem
to
have
gained
said
that,
so
it
would
actually
be
quite
useful
to
have
that
information,
because
clearly,
this
scrutiny
bird
does
have
a
responsibility
for
looking
at
transport
issues.
And
if
this
is
an
issue,
then
it's
something
that
perhaps
needs
to
be
looked
at
with
a
greater
Focus.
Okay.
B
B
So
who
wants
to
kick
off
on
this?
Is
it
you
Phil
or
Martin,.
B
The
first
one,
of
course,
are
the
in-year
challenges
of
making
the
savings
and
balancing
the
budget
in
this
financial
year,
and
then
the
remainder
are
the
issues
that
we
covered
in
our
working
group,
which
I'm
pleased
to
say
most
members
attended
in
December
in
terms
of
business
as
usual
proposals
and
a
few
at
the
couple
of
service
review
issues
and
I
should
just
add
at
this
point
that
I
would
hope
that
members
would
be
happy
to
for
us
to
communicate
to
the
executive
board.
B
Those
issues
that
we
raised
at
the
at
the
working
group
in
future
I
think
if
we
are
to
our
working
groups,
which
are
private
meetings,
then
we
at
least
need
the
minutes
of
those
coming
to
the
public
meeting,
so
that
for
transparency
sake
at
least,
there
is
a
publicly
available
document
that
demonstrates
what
we
discussed
in
in
the
working
group.
So
if
members
will
prove
there
are
notes
of
the
working
group
which
I
don't
think
have
been
circulated
to
all
members,
have
they
are
they.
B
Right:
okay,
well
for
your
gritification
Becky
did
produce
some
notes
and
I'll
circulate
those
if
only
for
information
and
Aid
Memoir
for
members,
particularly
those
who
attended
the
the
working
group
so
Martin.
What
was
yours?
Oh.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
Perhaps,
if
I
give
a
a
brief
overview
of
the
in-ear
position
in
item
nine
and
then
I'll
I'll
pass
to
Phil
and
Michael
to
talk
through
the
proposals
for
next
financial
year.
So
in
terms
of
this
financial
year
in
table
one
on
page
54
of
the
pack,
you
can
see
that
in
Period,
seven,
the
council
as
a
whole
was
forecasting
a
total
overspend
of
15.424
million,
with
significant
pressures
in
children's
services
and
also
pressures
in
resources.
G
So
looking
corporately
and
the
the
aim
to
try
and
mitigate
to
that
as
much
as
possible,
we've
worked
hard
as
a
director
to
manage
our
own
budget
pressures.
So
at
period
seven
of
this
financial
year
we
were
forecasting
a
a
balanced
budget
and
that's
the
position
that
we're
looking
to
move
forward
on
and
if
we
can
make
slight
improvements
on
that
as
we
move
towards
the
end
of
this
financial
year.
G
Achieving
that
is
not
easy
and,
as
the
report
outlines,
there
are
a
number
of
pressures
that
we've
had
to
manage.
Members
will
be
aware
that
as
a
directorate,
we
are
reliant
on
a
lot
of
income
and
that
income
is
also
relates
very
largely
to
the
health
of
the
economy.
So
we
have
challenges
there,
but
on
page
61
you
see
some
of
the
key
areas
of
the
pressures
that
we've
had
to
manage.
G
So
in
planning
we
touched
on
volumes
and
and
performance
in
the
earlier
paper,
and
you
can
see
that
we've
got
a
staffing
overspend
of
0.4
million
as
an
amazing
which
we've
managed
to
address
that
caseload
challenge.
Overspends
on
the
net
impact
of
the
pay
award
in
highways,
Transportation,
which
Nets
off
the
additional
income
that
we've
generated
throughout
the
year
and
then
pressures
in
markets
and
the
City
Center
in
a
shortfall
of
0.7
million
and
the
market
is,
is
probably
similar
to
retail.
Overall
in
in
that
regard.
G
So
in
order
to
balance
that
in
2223
we
have
had
budget
action
plans
for
3.2
million
pounds
and
that's
how
we're
looking
to
balance
the
budget
where
we
are
forecasting
that
we
will
achieve
those
in
the
round
so
that
effectively
covers
where
we
are
in
this
financial
year
in
headline
terms.
Journal
Pastor
Phil
to
talk
about
next
year's
proposals.
M
And
and
just
just
to
know
chair,
as
you
alluded
to
earlier,
that
that
position
reflects
the
overall
state
of
the
directorate
which
covers
some
areas
which
are
the
Remy
and
other
security
boards.
But
this
is
the
entire
picture
for
the
entire
directorate
and,
as
Martin
said
happy
to
take
any
questions
on
that
in
your
position.
M
We
do
expect
that
to
improve
somewhat
our
next
reporting
period
period,
nine
period,
ten
moving
forward,
but
I'd
Echo
Martin's
comments
about
really
challenging
to
get
to
a
balanced
position,
given
all
the
inflationary
costs
that
have
had
to
be
dealt
with
this
year.
In
terms
of
the
second
report
and
and
a
very
comprehensive
report
is
presented
and
again,
it
shows
the
position
across
the
author
Authority
as
a
whole.
M
I'd
particularly
refer
to
appendices
two
and
three
of
that
paper
that
show
the
business
as
usual
savings
and
then
the
two
service
reviews
that
the
directorate
has
proposed
to
take
forward,
that
those
proposals
get
us
to
a
position
where
we
deliver
in
excess
of
11.67
million
pounds
worth
of
savings
for
the
next
financial
year,
which
is
a
significant
element
to
the
council's
overall
savings
Target.
M
For
next
year
we
did
go
through
them
in
some
depth,
at
the
scrutiny
board
briefing
but
they're
all
sort
of
detailed
and
I'll
happily
take
any
questions
on
any
that
may
happen
any
questions
that
members
may
have
on
any
particular
ones,
but
I
think
there
are
as
they
are
as
set
out
previously.
B
B
Could
I
just
ask
a
question
about
the
service
review
area
and
the
Staffing
post
reductions
that
are
employed
in
there?
Clearly
it's
very
early
days,
and
you
probably
can't
give
us
any
specific
examples
of
where
those
posts
might
be
deleted
or
removed.
B
But
it's
very
difficult
for
us
as
a
scrutiny
board
to
endorse
an
approach
or
to
say
we've
scrutinized
it.
If
we
don't
know
the
detail
components,
will
there
be
any
opportunity
now
I
do
appreciate
pressures
and
Logistics
of
this,
but
will
there
be
any
opportunity
for
the
board
to
comment
on
any
of
the
specific
report
proposals
that
relate
to
that
service
review
as
and
when
they're
firmed
up
to
any
greater
degree.
M
Yeah,
as
you
say
it,
it
is
early
in
the
process
if
I
set
out
some
of
the
principles
that
we've
set
out
and
that
we've
started
engaging
with
the
Trade
union.
Colleagues
on
that
may
be
helpful
and
then
I
can
come
back
to
sort
of
how
the
board
can
engage
on
that.
So
just
to
put
some
context
behind
it.
822
000
pounds
is
the
saving
Target,
that's
required
to
deliver.
That
equates
to
anywhere
between
15
and
20
posts
on
a
full-time
equivalent
basis.
M
M
What
we're
seeking
to
do-
and
this
is
the
conversation
that
we
had
with
the
trade
unions
prior
to
Christmas
and
actually
we're
meeting
them
again
this
afternoon
to
follow
on
that
conversation
is
we
are
seeking
to
deliver
those
reductions
in
accordance
with
the
council's
overall
hierarchies
to
how
it
manages
Staffing
reductions.
So
first
thing
we're
doing
is
looking
at
posts
that
have
been
vacant
and
posts
that
may
have
been
bacon
for
some
time.
So
they've
existed
under
structure,
but
we've
held
them
vacant
Partners.
M
M
Early
retirement
might
be
looking
at
a
voluntary
redundancy
situation
when
you
add
those
two
in,
we
think
we
will
avoid
the
third
step,
and
the
third
step
would
be
compulsory
redundancies
and,
as
your
members
will
know,
the
council's
policies
that
we
should
do
everything
that
we
can
do
to
avoid
compulsory
redundancies
so
without
having
the
exact
detail
of
what
posts
where
currently.
M
Hopefully,
that
will
give
some
Assurance
to
the
board
that
we
are
trying
to
manage
this
out
in,
as
at
least
disruption
least
disruptive
way
as
possible,
both
for
Workforce
we're
conscious.
We've
got
to
balance
the
need
to
deliver
the
savings,
the
impact
and
well-being
on
staff,
but
also
about
service
delivery,
and
we've
got
to
be
very
careful
about.
Where
do
we
seek
to
deliver
these
savings
so
that
so
that
there
are
some
areas,
for
example,
that
we've
already
spoken
about,
where
we
don't
think
it
would
be
appropriate
to
delete
a
vacant
post
and
planning?
M
Dm
is
one
of
those
where
we've
quite
clearly
said
with
the
pressures
in
the
system.
We
don't
think
that's
an
area
that
we
would
look
at.
We
have
got
to
work
that,
through
the
system
and
and
in
consultation
in
dialogue
with
our
Trade
union
colleagues,
but
you
know
those
factors
are
at
play
in
terms
of
our
thinking
in
terms
of
when
we
come
back
or
how
we
could
come
back
to
you.
M
The
decision-making
process
is:
is
the
executive
board
delegated
approval
to
directors
of
Chief
officers
to
take
forward
the
necessary
steps
to
deliver
the
savings?
So
there
will
be
a
delegated
decision
that
actually
sets
out
the
nature
of
the
the
the
reductions
that
will
either
be
a
decision
for
Martin
or
a
decision
for
myself,
depending
on
the
nature
of
that
and
and
I
I.
M
Don't
think,
there's
any
issue
in
sharing
that
with
members
in
advance
of
formally
making
that
decision
from
a
governance
perspective,
it
will
be
a
delegated
officer
decision
but
as
I
say,
I,
don't
think.
There's
any
issue
at
all
in
sharing
that
in
advance
with
members.
Just
for
comment,
foreign
probably
need
to
check
that
Martin's
comfortable
with
that
yeah.
Okay,.
E
I
was
just
going
to
say
regarding
that,
obviously
we
had
the
early
leavers
initiative
prior
you're.
Not
looking
at
doing
that
now.
Are
you
because
to
me
I
think
the
council
should
have
set
up
a
panel
and
when
they
were
looking
at
the
early
leavers
initiative
like
we
we've
done
in
in
the
NHS
when
it
was
a
Pacific
Department
that
needed
to
close
amalgamate
Etc
and
I
believe
that
the
council
lets
a
lot
of
people
experience.
E
People
go
in
the
early
levers
initiative
and
now
and
and
then
we
end
up
not
having
certain
people
in
place
and
Etc.
So
what
I'm
saying
I'm
glad
you're
not
looking
at
the
early
leavers
initiative
because
of
what
I
would
say
you
should
have
a
panel
and
then
you
go
through
and
see
what
the
service
need.
What
you
know
can
we
let
this
person
go
Etc
so
that
I'm
glad
you're
not
doing
that,
so
this
will
be
a
different
different
way
forward
than
what
the
the
I
nearly
said.
E
M
The
chair,
yeah
we'd,
agree
with
that.
I
think
there
were
a
a
particular
set
of
circumstances
in
relation
to
the
last
round
of
Eli
that
there
were
some
deadlines
that
that
were
mooted
by
government.
That
meant
that
there
was
a
very
small
window
of
opportunity
to
actually
make
the
changes
that
we
did
make.
M
We
have
reflected
on
that
and
there
is
no
proposal
within
City
development
to
do
a
general
offer
to
staff,
as
I
said,
we'll
work
through
the
hierarchy
and
if
we
do
need
to
make
anything
over
and
above
vacant
posts
we'll
do
that
in
a
targeted
sort
of
way.
So
there
will
be
no
General
offer
of
Eli.
That's
the
plan.
B
Yeah
I
think
you're
right
to
reminders
that
the
the
previous
issues
to
which
I
think
Sharon
is
referring,
became
a
stampede
because
government
requirements
relating
to
pensions,
if
I
remember,
meant
that
people's
disappearance
couldn't
be
phased.
But
you
know
there
was
a
small
window
of
opportunity,
as
you
say,
to
actually
achieve
that,
but
I
think
we
are
still
really
in
front
of
loss
of
expertise
that
that
occurred
as
a
result
of
that
does
any
other
member
have
any
questions
or
comments.
B
I
I
have
a
couple
in
terms
of
balancing
this
year's
budget.
There
is
a
dashboard
that
indicates
areas
of
risk
where
the
savings
might
not
be
achieved
and
most,
if
not
all,
of
those
savings
relate
to
areas
of
City
development
that
fall
outside
the
Remy
of
the
scrutiny
bug.
But
suppose
my
question
is:
if
some
of
those
high
risk
areas
in
other
parts
of
City
development
aren't
achieved,
will
there
be
any
knock-on
effect
into
those
areas
over
which
this
scrutiny
broad
has
some
degree
of
responsibility
in
terms
of
teaming
and
labeling
budgets?
B
I,
do
take
your
point
Phil
about
the
fact
that
the
number
of
vacants
sorry
the
number
of
posts
to
be
deleted
as
a
result
of
this
service
review,
is
relatively
small
1.5
to
2
percent.
But
that's
on
top
of
the
loss
of
a
lot
of
staff
and
I.
B
Don't
know
what
the
figures
are
since
2010
for
City
development,
but
I
suspect
there
have
been
a
proportion
and
members
continue
to
be
concerned
about
the
impact
on
staff
and
the
pressures
on
them
of
fewer
people
doing
the
same
or
even
more
work
and
how
we
Safeguard
their
their
welfare.
In
that
respect,
because,
clearly,
the
council
is
nothing
without
its
staff
and
there
are
our
most
precious
commodity.
B
In
addition
to
the
vacancy
factor,
which
I
think
is
being
enhanced
to
a
degree
in
order
to
meet
in-ear
pressures,
this
year,
we've
also
gotten
a
kind
of
concomitant
issue
and
I'm
just
wondering
how
far
it
touches
City
development
of
having
difficulty
in
recruiting
staff
to
some
posts,
even
those
that
we
want
to
recruit
to
and
I.
Just
wonder
whether
there
are
any
areas
of
City
development
where
we've
got
recruitment
difficulties
which
again
could
cause
further
pressure
for
the
staff
who
are
currently
in
post.
M
Thank
you.
A
number
of
points
this
and
hopefully
I'll
I'll,
address
them
in
turn,
I
think
in
terms
of
reporting.
We
we
report
the
position
to
members
in
accordance
with
the
council's
financial
systems,
which
are
broken
down
by
service.
So
so
what
you
see
is
you
see
a
situation
for
actively?
Is
the
situation
for
Asset
Management
a
situation
for
planning?
M
M
Whilst
there
are
risks,
I
I'm
fully
of
the
opinion
that
that
we
will
deliver
the
balanced
position
that
we're
forecasting,
we
have
a
very
thorough
process
of
work
taking
on
our
forecasting
and
in
all
honesty
we
take
a
prudent
approach
to
it.
So
if
we
weren't
very
very
comfortable
that
we
would
hit
a
forecast
balance
position,
we
wouldn't
be
reporting
it
nowadays.
Those
could
be
famous
last
words,
but
that's
been
the
position
for
a
number
of
years
and
I
don't
expect
that
to
change.
M
We
do
keep
it
very,
very
tight
sort
of
control
on
expenditure,
and
we
do
have
levers
that
we
can
pull
in
relation
to
the
effect
on
on
staff
staff,
leaving
and
yeah
we're
we're
live
to
that,
and
we
as
I
say
the
conversations
will
be
with
our
trade
unions
about
how
we
can
manage
that
I
think
it
is
fair
to
say
that
the
war
station
122
000
pounds
if
Staffing
reductions,
we
think,
is
a
manageable
situation.
I,
wouldn't
want
to
suggest
that
that
won't
be
without
impact.
M
There
will
be
impact,
you
couldn't
lose
20
staff
without
there
being
some
impact,
and
what
we'd
have
to
do
is
when
we've
worked
through.
The
detail
is
put
in
place
mitigation
to
make
sure
that
what
we're
asking
retained
staff
to
do
is
still
doable
now,
that
might
be
about
having
a
conversation
about
whether
there
are
any
areas
where
we
can
reduce
the
level
of
service
or
do
something
differently
and
much
more
efficient
than
we
may
have
been
doing
it
previously.
M
We
overlay
that,
though,
with
the
issue
about
the
particular
sensitivities
that
may
exist
and
as
I've
already
suggested,
you
know
we
wouldn't
be
thinking
of
taking
any
resource
out
of
development
Management
in
planning,
because
we
know
there's
a
pressure
there
and
so
we'll
we'll
apply
some
intelligence
to
that.
We're
not
just
going
to
get
drawn
by
the
by
the
the
numbers.
I
think
is
probably
the
way
to
express
it
that
the
numbers
will
be
a
starting
point
and
then
we'll
apply
knowledge
and
expertise
of
the
services
and
what
they
deliver.
M
Over
and
above
that,
the
vacancy
Factor
isn't.
It
is
in
addition
to
the
822
000.
again
we're
relatively
comfortable.
We've
got
a
very
established
vacancy
release
panel
within
the
director.
That
means
every
request
for
a
post
to
be
approved
and
to
be
recruited
to
is
goes
through
an
evaluation
process
from
the
panel
that
I
chair
in
the
director.
So
we've
got
a
back
directorate
wide
perspective
on
what
we're
doing
and
not
not
what
we're
doing.
M
Unsurprisingly,
where
posts
are
externally
funded,
they're,
automatically
approved
or
they're,
as
almost
automatically
approved,
as
the
system
allows
us
to
do
where
we
have
got
staff
costs
and
roles
that
are
charged
to
Capital
or
there
are
major
schemes.
Then
we
take
a
differential
approach
to
how
we
look
at
those
and
and
that
again
is
relatively
Dynamic,
and
we
look
at
those
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
Every
request
has
to
be
supported
by
a
proforma.
M
We
do
have
a
few
areas
where
we
have
some
issues
in
terms
of
there
being
a
bit
of
a
difficulty
in
retaining
staff
and
and
planning
is
one
of
those
areas,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
taking
a
differential
approach
to
planning
other
than
that
we
don't
really
seem
to
have
a
particular
problem.
Our
problem
is
probably
more
of
a
retention
problem.
M
Our
problem
is
probably
more
about
keeping
good
staff
within
the
directorate,
because
the
private
sector
currently
is,
to
be
honest,
is
making
offers
to
council
staff
that
are
far
far
in
excess
of
what
the
councils
paying
grading
allows
us
to
try
to
match.
So
our
challenge
is
retention,
but
we
don't
really
have
much
of
a
problem
outside
a
couple
of
limited
areas
where
we
are
able
to
backfill.
But
undoubtedly
we
backfill
with
someone
of
less
experience.
M
That
in
itself,
though,
isn't
automatically
a
bad
thing,
because
the
churn
of
Staff
gives
opportunity
gives
growth,
gives
development
potential
for
staff
and
I
think
we
do
see
that
that
happens
quite
a
lot
in
the
director,
and
so
you
know,
staff
will
get
opportunities
that
they
may
not
have
got
otherwise,
and
if
staff
weren't
leaving
us
I
don't
know
whether
Martin
wants
to
add
anything.
G
Just
very
quickly
on
the
retention,
I
think
I
think
there
is
that
aspect
in
terms
of
the
professions:
civil
engineers,
Chartered
Surveyors
planners
of
the
experienced
end.
Where,
because
there's
been
demand
in
the
private
sector
and
that
they
will
work
with
Council
officers
on
key
projects,
see
how
good
they
are,
and
then
there
are
instances
where
they
then
get
recruited
on
salaries
that
are
substantially
above
our
pay
scales.
H
If
I
could
just
add
that
we
are
actively
trying
to
grow
our
own,
though
as
well
and
be
particularly
in
planning
and
using
the
coverage
money
that
we
were
allocated
to
bring
on
new
planning
officers
just
out
of
University
and
yes,
they
won't
have
the
experience,
but
they'll
never
get
the
experience.
If
we
don't
give
it
to
them
so
and
I
think
that's
really
positive
as
well.