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Before
we
start
the
proceedings
proper,
I'm
going
to
go
around
the
board
and
ask
members
to
introduce
themselves
alphabetically.
I
won't
ask
the
office
as
an
executive
board
member
to
introduce
themselves
at
this
point.
I
ask
them
to
introduce
themselves
at
the
when
we
reach
the
item
on
the
agenda
for
which
they're
in
attendance
so
starting
alphabetically
councillor
neil
buckley.
D
E
A
A
Kane,
I
don't
think
council
the
wadsworth
has
joined
us
yet
and
I'm
councillor
paul
truswell,
I'm
a
councillor
for
middleton
park
ward
and
I
chair
this
scrutiny
bud
so
moving
on
to
the
agenda
proper
appeals,
there
are
none
exclusion
of
public.
There
are
no
items
for
which
that's
applicable
item
three
late
items
are
no
late
items
item
four
declaration
of
interest.
I
don't
think
there
are
any
of
those
gender
item.
A
D
A
A
Given
the
amount
of
water
that's
been
deposited
on
us
over
the
last
few
weeks,
which
I'm
sure
officers
will
touch
upon
in
their
presentation
before
we
actually
start
on
this
item,
which
of
course
is
one
that
we
are
corporately
bound
to
look
at
each
year.
I'll
just
say
that
this
has
been
slightly
delayed,
obviously
for
because
of
our
old
friend
covid,
but
now
we're
getting
the
opportunity
to
discharge
that
corporate
responsibility.
A
G
G
A
G
Thank
you
and
yeah,
so
I
suppose
has
briefly
covered
the
main
items
being
that
this
is
a
statutory
responsibility
for
us.
As
a
council,
we
are
a
lead
local
foot
authority
and
therefore
we
provide
and
produce
a
strategy
that
got
refreshed
in
2018,
so
it
does
reflect
current
situation,
a
current
reflection
of
the
risk
in
the
city,
but
each
year
we
bring
that
back
to
this
scrutiny
board
for
an
opportunity
to
look
at
the
progress
that
we're
making
against
that
the
key
the
key
thing
to
know
we
have.
G
I
suppose
this
this
year,
the
biggest
the
biggest
test
we
were
given
was
in
february.
I
apologize
I'm
getting
a
call
was
in
february,
starting
around
the
9th
of
february
storm
kira
and
then
followed
very
quickly
by
storm
dennis,
and
then
there
was
a
few
extra
storms
later
that
month
as
well.
We
did
have
I
I
would
term
in
the
in
the
report,
as
a
very
close
shave
for
lots
of
communities
in
leeds
and
other
parts
of
the
region
were
were
severely
affected
with
internal
flooding.
G
But
as
a
city,
I
think
some
of
the
defenses
we've
already
installed
performed
really
really
well,
including
the
first
phase
of
the
leads
fast,
which
involves
the
movable
wheels
in
the
city
center
and
the
hard
defenses.
That
was
the
first
time
since
its
completion
in
late
2017
that
we've
actually
used
both
weirs
to
their
full
capacity
and
they
did
reduce
flood
levels
in
the
city
centre
by
around
a
meter
so
yeah.
That
was
the
first
time
the
teams
had
been
tested.
That
was
an
operation
that
lasted
several
days.
G
The
infrastructure
worked
well,
but
so
did
the
people
a
lot
of
exercising
and
testing
that
we've
been
doing
in
peacetime
that
did
come
to
fruition.
I'm
moving
down
the
report
just
to
highlight
we.
We
constantly
check
defenses
and
screens,
so
we
do
hundreds
of
inspections
of
small
trash
screens
and
assets
across
the
city.
G
That
goes
on
a
lot
and
in
the
last
few
weeks,
when
we've
had
heavy
rains
at
the
start
of
that
of
this
month,
we
we
were
doing
that
across
the
city
and
that's
a
task
that
we've
always
got
to
keep
up.
So
we
get
support
from
our
contracted
partners
on
that,
but
also
our
own
internal
teams
do
some
of
that
work
as
well.
So
that's
a
we're
constantly
we're
constantly
looking
at
that
type
of
work
to
highlight
that
other
bits
of
ongoing
work
is
obviously
through
the
planning
system.
No.
G
The
other
scheme
I
wanted
to
highlight
that
we
did
complete
as
well
from
a
flood
engineering
perspective,
was
on
the
white
back
and
phase
one
at
killing
back
meadows.
I
know
a
number
of
elected
members
on
the
call
will
be
familiar
with
that
scheme,
and
but
that
was
a
really
important
scheme
for
us
taking
many
many
years
and
a
lot
of
different
teams
across
the
council
to
bring
that
to
fruition.
G
It
provides
a
much
improved
green
space
in
in
east
leeds,
but
also
we've
built
a
brand
new
reservoir
under
the
reservoirs
act.
Very
stringent
engineering
controls
around
that,
and
that
is
something
that
we
will
continue
to
manage
and
maintain,
which
again
is
a
first
for
us
as
a
city
council,
but
that
does
reduce
flood
risk
to
properties
that
have
been
inundated
with
flood
waters.
G
Many
many
times
in
the
past,
and
I
think
we
see
that
as
a
real
step
forward
and
a
bit
of
a
feather
in
our
cap
as
a
multi-faceted
flood
scheme
and
a
couple
of
schemes
that
are
on
the
ground
now
that
have
been
affected
by
the
the
wet
weather,
but
back
in
construction
are
mickletown
fast,
which
is
a
new
full
embankment,
wholly
paid
for
by
developer
funding.
So
private
funding
from
developers
that's
paid
for
a
new
flood
defense
there.
G
That
will
reduce
the
risk
to
properties
in
michael
town,
and
we
should
complete
that
the
next
couple
of
weeks
is
due
to
start
in
the
new
year
in
terms
of
civil
engineering
works.
But
we
did
do
some
in-river
works
that
we
feel
did
reduce
flood
levels
in
the
recent
event
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
which
is
great
news
difficult
to
prove,
but
we
do
think
that's
been
immediately
effective.
G
That's
a
three
in
a
nearly
three
and
a
half
million
pound
scheme
and
we're
talking
to
the
public
about
that
scheme
this
evening
as
well
and,
as
I
mentioned
previously
leads
fast
phase
to
around.
I
think
in
the
paper
we've
said:
122
million,
which
is
the
figure
that's
in
the
business
case,
we're
expecting
that
to
be
around
112
million.
We
hope
is
now
fully
funded.
G
There
are
a
number
of
other
studies
going
on
across
the
city.
A
very
a
notable
one
would
be
the
work
catchment
again
taking
a
catchment-based
approach,
looking
at
natural
food
management
measures
as
well
as
hard
engineering,
and
we
anticipate-
hopefully
a
positive
result
on
a
large
funding
bid
on
that
any
day
now,
hopefully,
by
the
end
of
this
month,
and
that
will
be
around
an
eight
million
pound
investment
in
that
catchment.
So
we're
very
excited
about
that.
G
A
B
A
E
We
then
come
on
to
the
situation
there
that,
where
I'm
now
putting
a
paper
forward
with
the
chief
executive
there
at
west
yorkshire
that
says,
we
would
like
the
government
to
consider
the
the
core
work.
That's
carried
out
by
the
fact,
which
shows
the
fire
services
healthy
oxygen,
fire
service
and
the
country
in
general
terms
that
this
should
be
part
of
the
call
work
and
paid
accordingly.
E
A
G
Yeah,
I'm
happy
to
cover
that
on
the
first
point,
then,
about
west
yorkshire,
fire
and
rescue
service.
Was
that
a
proposal
that
that
the
council
would
take
on
new
responsibilities
relating
to
what
the
fire
and
rescue
service
do?
Although
we
would,
there
would
be
some
national
recognition
of
the
work
that
the
fire
and
rescue
service
already
do.
E
Upon
it
would
be
national
recognition
by
the
government
that
the
where
they're
doing
the
work
is
on
a
voluntary
basis,
basically
so
any
when
you're
getting
rescuing
people
from
houses
or
buildings
of
any
description.
And
what
have
you?
You
have
a
responsibility,
because
the
water
contamination
now
is
a
major
issue
is
regarding
the
water
and
the
canals
being
polluted
the
way
they
are.
You
only
have
to
have
a
little
dinghy
tip
over
and
you're
in
trouble
there
with
the
situation
around
you
being
helpful.
So
that's
one
of
the
points.
Jonathan.
A
G
Yeah
thanks
councillor,
graham,
I
I
suppose
in
basic
terms,
I
agree
to
the
principal.
Obviously
I
can't
comment
on
whether
national
funding
would
come
forward,
but
I
know
that's
been
a
long-standing
issue
that
in
the
clue's
in
the
name,
isn't
it
west,
yorkshire,
fire
and
rescue
service,
and
they
are
the
emergency
responders
that
we
work
really
closely
with
in
the
city
centre
to
look
at
water
rescue,
and
I
think
during
the
lockdown
water
safety
was
a
real
issue.
G
In
the
city
we
had
a
number
of
incidents
both
on
the
river
and
in
water
bodies
like
east
west
ashley,
reservoir
or
outdoor
town
to
people
that
live
close
to
that,
and
I
think
the
fire
and
rescue
service
are
the
the
first
line
of
response
there.
They
put
they've
got
very
technical
teams,
they
do
a
lot
of
training
and,
like
I
said,
we've
worked
very
closely
with
them
to
sort
of
align
our
emergency
response
plans
and
it's
not
a
function.
G
We're
paid
to
do
in
terms
of
emergency
response
around
the
rivers,
but
it
is
something
that
we
have
to
do
on
occasion.
It's
important
that
we
make
things
safe.
So
I
I
do-
I
do
agree
that
they
don't
have
a
recognized
statutory
role
in
that,
but
they
perform
it
anyway,
which
is
fantastic
and
lots
of
lives
have
been
served
in
the
city
centre
as
a
result.
A
G
G
So
therefore,
a
policy
was
to
take
money
from
insurance
policy
across
the
country
and
provide
a
guarantee
of
reinsurance,
but
that
was
only
for
residential
properties
and
obviously,
where
tenant
properties
exist
in
the
floodplain.
That's
the
responsibility
of
their
landlords
to
get
buildings
insurance.
Their
contents
insurance
is
through
the
tenant,
it's
a
really
complicated
picture,
and
it.
What
it
does
is
means
a
lot
of
businesses
that
are
not
covered
by
floodry
whatsoever
and
residents
that
intensive
properties
are
completely
either
uninsured
or
com
are
very
much
under
insured
for
flood
risk.
G
So
it
could
be
that
they
have
a
policy
that
is
that
will
pay
out
for
flood,
but
has
a
huge
excess
or
will
pay
out
for
flood.
But
what
really
cover
the
damages
that
they
would
face,
and
it
continues
to
be
a
massive
problem.
I
suppose
the
schemes
that
we
do
where
we
make
the
investment
that
does
have
a
tangible,
positive
impact
on
insurance
premiums,
but
it
can
take
some
time
for
that
impact
to
filter
through
to
the
insurance
companies.
G
E
Just
want
to
say
that
you
see
the
importance
of
what
I'm
discussing
now.
We
need
it
under
statutory
footing.
We
need
to
look
at
the
insurance
side
of
it
as
well
for
the
businesses,
as
well
as
the
householders,
where
the
landlord
is
quite
clearly
responsible
persons
for
looking
after
their
properties,
then
we
have
to
take
a
lead
on
this
chair.
Okay,.
E
F
Thank
you
chair.
I'm
just
wondering
if
jonathan
could
go
back
to
the
part
in
his
presentation
where
he
talked
about
closing
the
funding
gap.
I
know
the
shortfall
was
around
seven
million
before
can
he
just
confirm
that
that
has
all
been
closed
now
and
could
he
provide
us
with
a
written
briefing
as
to
what
funds
have
have
been
applied
for
and
want
to
close
the
gap?
Thank
you.
G
G
So
we've
now
got
a
full
suite
of
funding
available
consequent.
No
following
that,
we
were
also
respo
in
receipt
of
some
funding
that
we
applied
for
a
long
time
ago
through
the
highways
england
and
that's
come
through,
for,
I
think,
300
000
pounds
and
that's
further
sort
of
reduced
the
burden
on
still,
and
there
are
still
a
few
irons
in
the
fire
for
other
funding
parts,
including
funding
through
the
combined
authorities.
G
A
G
C
Yes,
hi
are
two
questions,
one
of
which
might
be
a
bit
of
a
daft
question.
On
page
14
and
in
appendix
2
of
the
report.
It
refers
to
flooding
incidents
and
there's
a
there
are
a
couple
of
bar
charts
of
flooding
incidents.
Could
you
tell
me
how
you
define
a
flooded
incident?
Does
it
have
to
have
flooded
properties
or
roads
or?
What's
the
definition
is
my
first
question:
that's
the
possibly
daft
one
and
then
the
other
one
is
in
the
report.
C
It
makes
reference
to
the
impact
of
climate
change
and
clearly
that's
a
really
difficult
thing
to
model,
but
are.
Is
that
something
that
you're
doing
you
know
there
must
be
people
who
are
producing
models
of
how
climate
change
might
affect
the
the
risk
of
flooding,
and
is
that
something
that's
going
into
your
planning.
G
Yeah
thanks.
Thank
you,
councillor
dai,
so
the
first
question
incidents.
Yes,
we
do
have
a
definition.
So
it's
definitely
not
a
silly
question.
It's
we
have
ten
different
categories,
so
we
record
every
every
report
of
flooding
that
comes
to
the
fluid
management
team,
either
from
the
public
counsellors,
like
yourself
or
from
other
authorities.
We
we
register
all
of
them.
We
have
a
database
and
it's
mapped
but
they're
categorized,
so
everything
from
internal
flooding.
G
G
When
we
had
the
flooding
in
february,
we
had
to
do
a
lot
of
work,
defining
like
going
out
and
ground
truth
in
that
incident
type
because
it
made
a
real
difference
as
to
whether
or
not
we
would
have
been
eligible
for
government
funded,
flood
recovery
grants
and,
in
the
end,
the
figure
I
think
the
threshold
is
25
internally
flooded
properties
and
by
the
government's
definition
we
had.
In
our
opinion,
we
had
23
and
therefore
we
didn't
qualify
for
the
government-funded
scheme,
but
we
did.
C
A
bit
of
clarification
on
that
one,
so
when
it
says
for
the
year
2020
and
there
are
different
numbers
next
to
each
each
month,
could
that
be
in
any
one
of
those
categories,
so
it
could
be
highways
counts,
as
one
tick
outbuildings
counts
as
one
ticket
it
has
to
fulfill
just
one
of
those
categories.
Does
it.
H
G
Thank
you
on
the
second
point
about
climate
change
impact.
Yes,
that
is,
that
is
a
really
big
part
of
what
we
do
so
through
our
work
through
the
planning
system
developers
and
any
plans
that
come
forward
have
to
have
assessed
the
impact
of
climate
change
on
that
development,
on
the
impact
on
others.
That
would
be
affected
by
the
discharges
from
that
development.
E
G
So
the
example
in
the
city
centre
is
that
we're
protected
for
that
scale
of
flood
up
to
2069,
because
that's
what
our
current
projections
say,
that
by
by
2069,
the
extra
heights
of
the
walls
would
would
still
protect
us.
But
beyond
that
point,
climate
change
will
increase
the
risk
to
the
city
as
a
result,
yeah.
C
Yes,
yeah
do
please,
if
that's
all
right,
just
just
a
little
bit
more
clarification.
If
you
can
about
the
models,
so
I
mean
I
know
it
must
be
a
really
hard
thing
to
model.
Obviously,
but
if,
if
developers
are
asked
to
model
for
climate
change,
is,
is
there
a
standard
model
that
they're
following
or
you
know,
do
there
must
be
different
people
producing
different
models?
Are?
Are
there
kind
of
industry
standards
to
say
this?
This
is
a
model
that
we
would
accept
as
a
you
know,
as
reliable
as
it
can
be
model.
G
G
G
We
are
now
revisiting
our
strategic
flood
risk
assessment
for
the
city,
so
again
a
statutory
requirement
on
us
as
a
local
authority
to
have
that
in
place,
and
that
is
the
benchmark
or
the
baseline
for
what
we
would
look
to
developers
to
use
as
the
baseline
and
the
and
the
guidance
for
developing
this.
That
is
currently
a
long
way
behind
the
latest
projections
and
therefore
we're
working
flood
management
and
working
with
planning.
G
In
the
meantime,
we
do
work
with
developers
because
they're
having
to
do
that,
modeling
the
sport
for
their
site.
Sometimes
it's
it's
actually
quite
a
crude
assessment,
and
but
what
we
probably
do
is
ask
them
to
over
engineer
it
by
quite
a
long
way,
because
we're
unsure
of
what
the
climate
change
will
really
mean
for
the
city,
therefore
they're
having
to
over-engineer
their
scheme
with
an
allowance
of
say,
50
on
top
of
what
they
would
have
to
design
for
for
the
current
day.
But
that
is
an
industry
standard.
C
G
A
Yeah
thanks
for
that,
I
think
board
members
in
their
questions
have
already
anticipated
a
number
that
I
was
gonna
put
and
I
think
it's
very
important
to
reassure
the
public
that
when
it
comes
to
developers,
we
do
adopt
a
very
robust
line,
because
many
of
us
are
actually
confronted
with
questions
from
the
public
about
why
we
are
as
a
councillor
allowing
building
on
sites
known
to
flood,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
get
across.
There
is,
as
you
say,
jonathan
a
very
robust
and
over-engineered
response,
that's
required
of
developers
in
those
circumstances.
A
One
last
question
from
me,
though,
as
part
of
the
devo
deal,
there
was
a
figure
relating
to
flood
flood
risk
management
across
the
whole
of
west
yorkshire,
and
that
figure
was
somewhat
short
of
what
was
being
asked
for
by
the
respective
authorities.
I
just
wonder
if
you
you
could
comment
on
that
particular
aspect
of
flood
risk
management.
G
G
A
A
D
My
question
was
about
on
page
16
mentioned
a
family
would
backfast
and-
and
I
just
want
to
first
of
all
check
my
geography-
that
this
is
the
bec
that
divides
cottingly
from
morley
and
it,
and
it
talks
about
work
being
done
there
old
clothes
and
to
understand
what
d
coverton
d
culvert
in
the
watercourse.
It
all
close,
actually
means
and
also
urge
that
you
know
it
talks
about
this
design
and
field
being
done
in
the
next
two
years,
and
I
would
urge
if
this
work
is
needed.
D
G
Yeah,
thank
you
counselor
dawson.
Yes,
I
am.
That
is
the
beck.
That's
your
geography
spot
on.
It
runs
from
upper
gilderson
that
starts
at
gilson
near
between
finally
and
guilderson
runs
down
under
the
m621
and
out
falls
into
bill
schulbeck.
We
we've
secured
some
funding
that
we
need
through
a
developer,
and
we
have
developed
outline
plans
for
that
scheme.
G
So
we've
we've
modeled
that
already
and
we've
done
the
study.
The
outlying
design
works
being
done
and
we
are
now
trying
to
finalize
the
instruction
with
our
contractor.
So
the
same
contractor
that
will
build
only
fast
and
he's
currently
building
leads
fast
phase.
Two
we're
looking
to
instruct
that
contractor
to
do
to
do
that
scheme,
we're
trying
to
progress
that
as
quickly
as
we
can
now
yeah.
A
Obviously,
as
you
know,
from
the
report,
this
was
an
inquiry
that
was
carried
out
jointly
with
another
scrutiny
board
in
2015,
with
a
report
in
2016,
and
I
think
remains
just
as
pertinent,
if
not
more
so
today
than
when
it
was
was
first
written.
I
mean.
But
basically
the
thrust
of
the
whole
report
is:
are
we
building
the
right
properties
and
by
right
properties,
we're
talking
about
size,
bedroom,
size,
specialized
accommodation?
A
If
we
not,
why
aren't
we
and
what
is
being
done
to
address
any
any
deficits
in
order
to
meet
the
housing
need
of
the
city
so
before
we
actually
start
if
the
officers
attending
could
introduce
themselves,
and
then
I
think,
martin
elliott,
you're
gonna,
lead
off
on
this.
And
could
I
ask
that
we
go
through
the
report
recommendation
by
recommendation
rather
than
covering
the
whole
of
the
response
having
a
free-for-all,
and
then
I
have
to
take
us
back
to
go
through
the
recommendations,
one
by
one.
A
I
I
I
I
So,
thank
you
chuck.
Thank
you
chair
good
morning.
The
report
in
front
of
you
provides
an
update
on
six
recommendations
with
desired
outcomes
which
are
being
tracked
by
the
scrutiny
board
and
then,
as
they
relate
to
housing
mix
across
the
district.
These
recommendations
are
and
we'll
do,
recommendation
three
first,
which
arranges
for
plans
panel
members
to
receive
further
information
and
training
on
best
practice
in
dealing
with
schemes,
liability,
appraisals,
in
collaboration
with
other
west
yorkshire
authorities
and
the
planning
advisory
service.
I
The
desired
outcome
is
a
continuous
improvement
of
elected
members,
skills
and
knowledge.
The
council.
Obviously,
due
to
the
present
situation,
the
council
has
adopted
alternative
methods
to
try
and
remain
engaged
in
with
the
public
and
also
yourselves,
and
this
obviously
has
certain
challenges
ahead
of
us.
But
we
have
tried
to
maintain
that,
specifically
with
members
through
development
plans,
panels
joint
plans
panels
and
also
excuse
me
board
regarding
the
white
paper.
Obviously,
that's
sort
of
what
I
think
is
pertinent
to
this
recommendation.
Chair.
A
I
I
As
you
can
see
from
the
report,
further
work
has
been
carried
out
by
arc
iv,
consultants
on
housing,
market
assessments
for
holbeck,
lincoln,
green
and
morley,
and
these
should
be
finalized
by
the
end
of
the
year,
which
will
then
be
made
available
to
you.
These
are
key
to
supporting
work
and
priority
neighborhood
areas,
for
example,
lincoln,
green
holbeck
and
I've
just
forgotten
the
last
one.
Sorry
and
molly
morley's
are
looking
at
bidding
for
some
money
from
government.
So
that's
where
we
are
saying
any.
I
I
So
we
can
clarify
that
with
with
colleagues
and
regarding
how
they
inform.
Obviously
they
do.
We
have
obviously
the
strategic
housing
market
assessment,
which
is
the
key
lead
and
that's
obviously
covers
the
district
with
obviously
localized
information
which
then
hopefully
informs,
but
the
housing
need
housing.
Market
assessments
will
inform
need
for
those
developments
working
with
registered
part
registered
providers
and
supporting
bids
and
things
like
that
to
to
gain
funding,
and
I
can
try
fight
that.
I
A
Yeah,
I
think
we
would
want
to
make
that
a
formal
request
from
the
scrutiny
board,
because,
throughout
our
discussions,
we've
always
wanted
to
ensure
that
all
members
of
council,
all
99
members,
and
not
just
those
who
serve
with
a
planning
panel
hat
or
development
plans.
Panel
hat
on,
are,
if
you
like,
privy
to
these
particular
documents,
because
I
think
it
is
an
important
issue
for
ward
members
to
be
apprised
of
and
and
if
possible,
involved
in
before
they
made
concrete.
But
obviously
I'm
aware
that
we
somewhat
down
the
path
on
on
this
one.
A
H
Yeah
we'll
take
that
back
side
chair
no
no
go
on
yeah.
I
was
just
going
to
say:
I'm
we
will
take
that
back.
There
is.
There
is
quite
a
lot
of
work
going
on
with
them
neighborhood
planning
within
the
map,
gate
area
as
well,
and
obviously
we
want
to
make
sure
that
members
of
neighbouring
areas
are
fully
up
to
speed
with,
what's
going
on
so
we'll
we'll
seek
to
provide
a
report
to
the
to
the
next
community
committee
councillor.
A
A
I
I
All
me
all
me,
so,
yes,
so
recommendation
five
ensures
that
appropriate
assistance
is
offered
to
neighborhood
plans,
neighborhood
forums
to
assist
in
drawing
up
neighborhood
plans,
and
the
desired
outcome
is
improving
the
quality
of
neighbourhood
plans.
So
in
in
the
report,
it
states
that
we've
got
three
new
plans
made
since
february,
which
are
half
with
otley
and
weatherby.
I
As
we're
aware,
they've
been
delays
in
progressing
referendum
dates
due
to
the
pandemic,
and
so
these
are
postponed
till
may
21
with
the
local
elections.
However,
progress
is
being
made
and
since
writing
a
report,
we've
got
two
additional
neighborhood
areas
designated
which
are
chapel
town
and
chapel
allerton
neighborhood
areas.
So
that's
a
positive.
A
B
Yes,
chair,
please
and
just
taking
the
the
recommendation,
the
literal
text
there
ensures
that
appropriate
assistance
is
offered
to
neighborhood
forums,
yeah
absolutely
and
the
one.
Obviously,
I
was
particularly
concerned
with
before
it
was
made,
was
all
woodley
and
it
was
made
quite
some
time
ago,
but
I'd
just
like
to
make
this
point
and
I'm
not
sure
how
it
feeds
into
this
particular
item,
but
not
so
much
the
help
that
was
offered,
because
that
was
fairly
extensive,
which
the
people
who
drew
up
the
plan.
B
B
I
I
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Councillor
buckley
we've
noted
those.
I
understand
that
ian
mckay,
the
team
leader
for
neighborhood
plans,
has
had
some
discussions
with
the
all
woodley
members.
I've
been
advised
of
that.
So
we'll
see
how
we
can
progress
and
see
what
we
can
respond.
We
can
reply
to
that
at
the
next
board
and
see
what's
happened.
There.
A
B
Not
really
chair,
I
think
I
agree
with
everything
you've
just
said
really
and
just
to
say,
to
clarify
what
I
was
saying
there
is
that
people
sometimes
think
that
houses
are
knocked
down
and
you
have
a
1960s
style
block
of
flats.
This
is
not
what's
happening.
What's
happening,
is
that
you've
got
properties
worth
potentially
well,
in
actual
fact,
over
a
million
pounds,
and
there
is
a
market
for
them
and
they're,
often
quite
nice,
properties,
pre-war
arts
and
crafts
style.
B
That
kind
of
thing,
and
it's
not
as
if
they're
not
wanted,
because
there
is
a
market
for
them
very
much
so,
but
often
on
these
huge
plots
in
nice
positions
the
potential
for
having
a
a
greatly
expanded
building
with
three
lateral
apartments.
You
could
probably
sell
each
of
them
for
a
millionaire,
and
so
the
intention
of
the
plan
is
just
just
ignored.
A
I
Regards
to
neighbor
neighborhood
plans
generally,
they
are,
they
do
farm
far.
Part
of
the
local
plan
and
are
obviously
taken
in
should
should
be
through
the
planning
assessment
of
applications
and
informing
pre-applications
should
be
taken
into
account
and
obviously
that's
where
we're
using
local
knowledge
on
especially
more
recent
ones.
You
know
updated
information
on
assessments,
for
example,
hmas
and
stuff
that
are
used
to
inform
because
after
we
have
house,
we
do
often
have
housing
mix
in
in
in
these
report
in
in
these
plans.
A
Sure
I
think
the
crunch
from
local
community
and
local
members
point
of
view
is
always
what
can
be
mandated,
not
what
can
be
advised
or
suggested
or
encouraged,
but
what
at
the
end
of
the
day
can
be
mandated,
and
I
think
that's
the
crunch
for
a
lot
of
us
martin,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
come
in.
I've
obviously
got
adam
indicating
that
I
think
he
wants
to
come
in
on
this
issue.
H
J
Excellent
adam
over
to
you
thank
you.
Martin
can
mock
this
up.
If,
if
I
don't,
if
I
don't
say
what
say
what
I'm
supposed
to
say,
but
yeah
kind
of
to
reiterate
what
sarah
said
about
the
the
role
that
neighborhood
plans
have
as
part
of
the
development
plan
and
and
the
work
that
officers
take
as
part
of
the
policy
and
plans,
group
obviously
treats
neighbor
planning
very
seriously
and,
as
councilor
buckley
reflected
there's
an
awful
lot
of
support.
That's
provided
to
neighborhood
planning
groups
and
we
hope
that's
a
successful
process.
J
We
know
obviously
the
concerns
about
whether
policies
are
being
effectively
implemented.
That
comes
down
to
probably
the
issue
of
clarity
of
policy
in
terms
of
whether
they
they
say
they
fully
express
the
intention
and
that's
not
an
issue
necessarily
just
for
neighborhood
plans.
That's
an
issue
for
local
plans,
as
well
as
drawn
up
by
local
councils
that
we've
found
with
lots
of
our
policies.
Do
they
fully
achieve
what
our
desired
outcome
was
and
part
of
that
process?
J
As
clearly
council
buckley
suggests
that
there's
an
issue
there
to
see
whether
those
policies
could
be
strengthened,
because
one
of
the
issues
is
with
intentions,
sometimes
don't
come
clearly
across
in
very
literally
worded
policies
and
if
there's
any
wiggle
room
there,
then
sometimes
that
that
can
allow
for
for
for
the
aims
of
the
policy
not
to
be
successful,
which
is
unfortunate.
But,
as
we
all
know,
in
terms
of
having
dealt
with
planning
policy,
they
do
need
to
be
quite
specifically
worded.
J
F
I
think
that
there
aren't
people
engaged
with
it
that
know
about
what
we're
looking
at
conservation
areas
that
are
involved
in
it
as
well.
I
think
it
passes
a
lot
of
people
by
which
is,
which
is
a
shame,
because
the
more
people
involved
in
these
processes-
the
better
and
I'd
just
like
to
make
the
point
that
for
future
neighborhood
plans,
the
bare
minimum
standard
for
communication
shouldn't
be
the
target.
We
should
be
looking
to
involve
the
whole
community
and
not
just
the
active
few
who
are
involved
in
the
process.
F
But
that
does
leave
the
majority
of
the
other
people
who
don't
have
the
time
to
be
line
by
line
involved
in
these
documents,
but
do
have
a
an
interest
in
planning.
The
entire
process
then
passes
them
by
and
they're
just
asked
to
vote
on
a
finished
document
which
can
be
over
100
pages
long,
which
is
even
I
you
know,
I
say,
put
things
on
a
piece
of
paper,
one
page
and
I'll
read
it.
You
know
any
any
more
than
that,
then
I
tend
to
struggle.
H
Some
of
the
reasons
for
that,
because
actually
the
council
doesn't
drive
these
plans.
These
are
sort
of
localism
in
action,
and
the
council
has
a
duty
to
support
and
that's
not
to
say
that
all
local
areas
are
equally
as
well
equipped
as
others
to
be
able
to
do
this,
but
where
they
have
been
brought
forward,
they've
been
brought
forward
with
sort
of
higher
than
30
turnouts.
H
I
think
that
the
average
across
leads
is
is
is
30,
and
actually
some
of
these
plans
have
actually
allocated
sites
for
housing
within
their
within
their
local
areas.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
we
just
we
get
an
update
to
members.
So
if
that's
okay,
cheer
we'll
have
that
as
in
a
sort
of
a
fuller
appendix
to
the
next
to
the
next
report,.
F
F
These
are
largely
volunteers
that
are
putting
them,
putting
the
effort
in
and
the
timing
and
the
work
in
to
make
these
make
these
documents
a
reality,
and
the
support
really
does
need
to
be
there
on
communication,
where
they
may
not
have
the
expertise
to
get
the
message
out
there
and
any
other
support
in
producing
the
document
to
make
it
a
reality.
Really.
That
would
just
be
my
final
point
happy
to
move
on
sure.
E
Thank
you,
yeah
it's
to
do
with
the
neighbor
of
planning.
We
have
a
very
successful
engagement
at
the
moment
with
the
people
in
lincoln,
green
and
the
nobles
and
whatever,
where
the
neighborhood
planning
is
concerned.
But
what
concerns
me
is
when
it
comes
to
neighborhood
planning
and
the
hmos
how's
it
in
multiple
occupation.
I
have
the
opinion
now,
I'm
firmly
of
the
opinion,
we're
wasting
our
time
as
a
planning
committee
where
hmos
come
at
the
planning
meeting
with
another
site
visit
and
then
being
overruled
time
after
time
again
by
the
planning
authority.
E
E
It
was
up
as
a
drain
on
our
resources
at
the
moment
regarding
all
the
work
that
goes
into
it
and
then
knowing
full
well
you're
not
going
to
get
anywhere
anywhere
when
the
planet
expects
it
takes
the
roll
up
and
says
no,
it
goes
through
and
that's
it
end
of
day.
I
am
concerned
about
the
hmo's
chair
in
a
big
way.
A
H
But
we
are,
we
are
looking
at
that
and
what
I
suggest
is
that
will
will
bring
sort
of
updates
to
that
to
development
plan
panel
in
due
course
and
then,
if
necessary.
Once
once,
they've
been
considered
by
development
plan
panel,
then
certainly
if,
if
members
of
scrutiny,
think
it's
relevant
to
this
particular
inquiry,
we
can
certainly
bring
some
of
the
headlines
of
those
discussions
back
to
members
of
this
group.
A
Yeah,
I
think
it's
a
very
important
point
that
you
raised
counselor,
graham
and
art.
We
both
go
back
a
very
long
way
to
the
80s
and
90s,
and
I
represented
headingly
word
where
I
was
in
a
multiple
occupation
always
was
and
always
will
be,
a
major
issue,
and
in
those
days
we
still
have
powers
of
local
authority,
great
greater
powers
of
regulation,
but
also
we
could
designate
areas
and
say
there
is
a
limit
on
the
amount
of
hmos
and
rented
property
that
you
can
have.
I
Thank
you
chair,
so
obviously
a
shortage
period
of
time
since
we
were
last
presenting
at
scrutiny
board,
but
just
for
clarification,
even
though
obviously
we're
in
a
pandemic.
The
planning
process
is
still
still
going
on
and
we
are
raising
once
again
really
emphasizing
through
our
consultation
process
at
pre-application
stage
and
the
planning
applications
absolutely
highlighting
the
housing
mix
and
advising
of
supporting
it
through
the
delivery.
Amr
information
and
obviously
it's
been
submitted
to
development
plans
panel.
I
We're
emphasizing
that
as
the
key
backing
at
the
moment,
obviously
slightly
linked
with
condition
recommendation.
Nine
is
obviously
we're.
Looking
at
we've,
we've
drafted
the
implementation.
It's
been
quite
a
hard
hard
thing
to
do,
because
it's
going
to
be
a
one
for
the
officers
and
one
for
developers,
it's
trying
to
gauge
the
right
angle
and
and
make
it
as
concise
as
possible,
which
hasn't
necessarily
been
easy.
I
So
that's
been
discussed
with
colleagues
and
we're
just
testing
it
out
on
there
we're
going
to
be
testing
out
on
colleagues
internally,
just
to
see
what
their
views
are
before
we
take
it
further.
In
terms
of
the
monitoring
I
raised
the
last
meeting
that
we
have
obviously
the
skewing
of
the
city
center
in
terms
of
delivery
of
one
of
one
bed-
units
for
example.
I
One
b
is
the
city
center
solely
shows
how
much
one-bedroom
units
it
is
providing
an
excess
of
the
targets
and
also
the
deficit
of
two
and
three
and
four
plus
bedrooms,
which
is
in
the
preferred
mix.
It
is
in
the
supporting
text
of
the
table.
So
that's
back
to
par
our
sort
of
support
going
forward
with
the
implementation
notes.
I
don't,
I
think,
that's
generally,
where
we
are
chair.
F
Thank
you,
chair
table
three
on
page
42
gives
the
position
at
the
time
of
1819
and
the
summary
underneath
the
final
bullet
point
just
before
it
says
table
four
says
there
are
increasing
examples
of
sites
being
delivered
by
partners
with
100,
affordable
housing.
Can
you
let
me
know
which
sites
were
at
1890
100,
affordable
at
the
planning
stage?
Please.
I
I
We've
got,
I
did,
tie
five,
my
colleague
who
work
housing,
growth
team
and
we
have
some
application.
So
we've
got
permissions
in
beach,
walk
mount,
which
is
in
gibson
naval
closed
scarf
in
osmond
thorpe
we've
got
one
due
to
be
starting
in
these
are
sort
of
ones
that
have
got
permission
and
are
built
out
and
some
that
are
starting
soon,
which
you
may
approach
and
a
registered
provider
a
regis
provider.
Development
is
in
more
house
avenue,
but
we
can
send
that
information
to
you
councillor,
taylor,.
F
F
That's
been
removed
from
the
sap
by
the
courts
and
it's
been
railroaded
through,
because
the
numbers
of
delivering
affordable
units
have
been
so
low
previously,
and
the
report
to
the
plans
panel
on
that
particular
application
suggested
as
much
that,
because
the
delivery
of
affordable
units
has
been
so
low
over
this
period
that
delivering
this
particular
development
would
bring
the
delivery
of
affordable
units
up.
So
I'd
just
like
comment
on
that.
Please.
I
Yeah
I'll
let
martin
do
other
bits,
but
in
terms
of
the
monitoring
we
are
obviously
a
year
behind,
so
we
have.
Obviously
we
we're
obviously
as
preparing
the
annual
monitoring
report
for
like
20
19
20
at
the
moment.
Obviously,
general
issues
coming
to
generally
when
they're
dealing
with
a
planning
application
is
obviously
the
balance
and
the
the
issues
that
go
forward
in
delivering
a
site.
Obviously
something
that's
maybe
on.
The
report
is
issue
of
viability.
I
That's
sometimes
a
key
thing
which
affects
obviously
planning
obligations,
which
obviously
is
a
key
issue
and
that's
obviously,
either
a
balance.
That's
a
balance,
that's
taken
to
a
plans
panel,
recommendations
by
officers,
but
I
I
completely
get
the
point
that
councilman
taylor
is
making
and
we'll
do
some
more
evidence.
Obviously,
at
the
moment
we're
a
bit
behind,
but
I
think
in
the
report
it
does
say
that
we
have
sort
of.
F
A
Yeah
and-
and
I
think
I
wanted
to
touch
on
the
issue
of
viability
in
due
course-
and
I
think
again
that
would
be
another
another
useful
piece
of
information
as
to
those
examples
where
viability
has
been
trading
aid
by
the
by
the
developers
to
reduce
the
amount
of
affordable
housing
that
the
otherwise
would
have
been
expected
to
deliver.
But
martin,
you
wanted
to
come
in.
H
Yeah
just
for
for
clarity,
because
I
don't-
I
wouldn't
want
members
to
to
think
that
the
affordable
homes
total
of
1230
is
all
to
be
delivered
off
the
back
of
section
106,
so
that
there
isn't
a
clear
relationship
between
the
35
15
7
that
we
seek
for
affordable
housing
in
different
parts
of
the
city.
The
total
housing
number
to
be
delivered
and
that
figure
of
1230,
because
that
affordable
housing
need
figure
is,
is
what
the
council's
need
is.
H
The
the
targets
for
affordable
housing
is
what
has
been
considered
at
the
plan,
making
stage
to
be
viable
to
be
delivered,
but
there
are
other
routes
to
deliver
affordable
housing
as
well
that
need
to
overlay
those
some
of
those
are,
as
the
table
sets
out
through
grant
assisted
schemes.
Some
of
those
are
through
the
registered
providers,
own
portfolio
of
sites
and
delivery
of
housing,
and
some
are
where,
as
councillor
taylor
mentioned,
you
get
particular
sites
that
come
forward
for
100,
affordable
housing,
and
we've
got
examples
of
that.
H
We've
got
examples
of
that
within
the
city
center.
The
guinness
trust
proposal,
for
example,
and
also
the
the
the
recent
example
that
councillor
taylor
set
out,
but
I
think,
whilst
the
the
the
deficit
in
affordable
housing
that
that's
being
delivered,
is
a
material
consideration
in
determining
some
of
these
planning.
Applications
are
just
for.
H
Clarity
confirm
that
the
horseforth
campus
application
was
progressed
on
the
back
of
a
very
explicit
part
of
the
national
planning
practice
national
nppf,
which
which
set
out
exceptions
for
brownfield
sites
in
the
greenbelt.
So
so
that
is,
there
were
specific,
specific
circumstances
and
site
circumstances
there
that
wasn't
simply
about
affordable
housing.
Even
though
affordable
housing
was
part
of
the
the
consideration
of
members
at
that
panel.
F
I'd
better,
not
actually,
otherwise
we
might
be
here
for
some
time,
but
it
is
going
back
to
plans
panel,
given
the
pacing
that
the
developers
got
on
the
design
on
the
size
on
any
number
of
other
issues.
I
think
well,
the
campus
itself
is
brownfield
the
green
belt
around
it
isn't
so
yeah.
I
I
think
your
point
on
viability
is
is
an
important
one
to
take
away
from
this.
F
Given
what
we're
looking
for
on
this
recommendation
is
at
the
start,
I
think
the
ability
that
developers
have
to
retrospectively
come
back
and
say
well.
We
agreed
x
percent
at
the
start,
but
now
we've
started
it's
we're.
Gonna
have
to
reduce
it
or
we'll
just
pay
a
fee
and
then
the
money
that
usually
that
would
be
paid
for
that
is
sucked
out
into
the
center
and
the
money
that
should
have
gone
to
local
communities
for
affordable
housing
or
the
properties
themselves
aren't
actually
delivered
in
the
communities
where
the
development
has
taken
place.
F
A
No
and
it's
an
issue
that
runs
the
risk
of
the
chair
going
on
for
too
long
as
well,
but
I
mean
we
do
take
your
point,
martin,
that
section
106
is
just
one
of
three
components
that
contributes
to
the
delivery
of
affordable
housing,
but
we're
still
almost
limping
along
in
terms
of
achieving
the
in-year
requirements,
let
alone
the
amount
needed
to
address
historical
backlogs.
So,
obviously,
as
members,
we
want
to
see
all
three
of
those
components
squeezed
as
far
as
possible
in
terms
of
delivering
the
overall
number
of
affordable
properties.
A
Okay,
so
in
terms
of
that
recommendation,
could
I
suggest
that
that
this
is
another
four?
Oh,
the
sun's
coming
now
outside
I'm
probably
being
cast
into
chandler
here,
if
that's
okay,
with
the
board,
we'll
move
on
to
recommendation
nine,
which
we've
kind
of
partially
touched
upon.
But
sarah,
I
don't
know
if
the
any
other
points
that
you
want
to
make
in
respect
of
recommendation
9
on
pages,
45
and
46.
A
I
Yeah,
in
terms
of
I
suppose,
it's
a
they're,
all
sort
of
integrally
linked
to.
Obviously
the
monitoring
in
terms
of
housing
mixes
are
stated
about
the
about
the
implementation.
Now
we're
nearly
there.
It's
it's
quite
a
complicated
way
to
get
it
across
in
simple,
easily
understood
terms,
and
but
obviously
we
are
using
as
data.
We
are
using
the
delivery
through
the
amr
and
and
the
delivery
through
the
amr
and
obviously
we've
raised
that
this
is
obviously
a
topic.
I
That's
been
discussed,
exclusionary
board
that
the
emphasis
of
it
and
using
that
evidence
is
our
backing
up
at
the
moment.
So
when
the
implementation
note
comes
in
with
the
updated
arc,
4
addendum
note
on
housing
mix
and
on
the
implementation
note,
that
will
be
a
material
consideration
and
I
think
we
are.
I
think
we
are
showing
progress
and
I
think
discussions
we're
having
with
our
colleagues
in
dm-
and
I
think
it
is
it
is
so
it
is
a
high
priority
discussions
at
plans
panels
that
I've
I've
listened
to
or
attended.
I
It
is
a
key
in
realities.
We
are
slowly
making
progress,
but
obviously,
at
the
moment
that's
that's
the
supporting
text
in
the
of
the
policy,
but
we
are
pushing
it's
the
policy
that
needs
to
be
implemented
with
the
supporting
text,
and
so
the
updated
evidence
will
give
us
some
more
weight
going
forward
in
terms
of
monitoring
general
policies.
Obviously
that's
done
through
the
amr.
H9
and
h10
are
relatively
new
policies
into.
I
I
know
they've
been
adopted
since
september
2019,
but
we
obviously
have
a
lead-ins
to
do
the
monitoring,
so
that
will
be
going
in
the
amr
and
obviously
it's
coming
through
as
a
for
the
accessible
standard,
housing
standards.
You
never
get
that
right.
They
are
that's
going
forward
as
a
kpi,
so
that
they'll
be
completed,
completed
development,
so
that
will
be
reported
too.
A
I
Yeah
sorry,
so
I
started
a
bit
of
an
interlinking
there
of
both
of
both
the
monitoring
of
general
policies.
So,
for
example,
hsn
is
actually
correct.
It's
already
a
kpi
in
the
best
council
plan
and
it's
reported
to
cdd
and
age
friendly
leads
boards,
but
obviously
we
have
a
slight
like
a
lack
of
a
lagging
of
time.
So
we
are.
We
are
generally
monitoring
all
of
these
policies
that
are
actually
within
the
core
strategy
and
that's
reported
through.
That
means.
A
Recommendation,
if
not,
and
unless
there
are
any
members
who
have
been
physically
raising
their
hands
rather
than
electronically,
raising
them
I'll,
just
leave
no
okay.
So
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
the
consideration
of
this
particular
agenda
item.
Thank
you
officers
for
your
attendance
and
response
to
our
questions
and
we
obviously
look
forward
to
an
update
in
due
course
and
the
extra
information
in
detail
that
members
have
requested
as
part
of
our
discussions.
E
A
A
Yeah
bumper
fun
packages
of
our
scrucene
board
in
one
week.
How
will
we
be
able
to
live
with
it
right?
Okay,
so
unless
there
are
any
questions
on
that
or
on
the
executive
board
minutes,
I'm
quite
happy
to
take
any
questions
on
those
I'll
declare
the
meeting
closed
and
thank
everyone
for
their
attendance
and
obviously
their
excellent
contributions,
as
is
always
the
case
with
this
board.
So
thanks
very
much
everyone
and.