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A
Okay
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
strategy
resources,
scrutiny
board
and
before
we
start
proceedings,
we
do
have
a
procedural
matter
to
deal
with
council
scopes.
The
usual
chair
of
the
board
is
unfortunately
unable
to
attend,
so
we
do
need,
therefore,
to
select
a
chair
and
the
proposes
that
counsellor
proposes
the
proposals
that
council,
peter
carl,
will
sit
in
the
chair
and
just
to
say
if
anyone
has
any
objections
to
raising
now,
but
otherwise
that
will
be
how
we
proceed
this
morning.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
very
much
and
welcome
to
the
final
meeting
of
the
year
for
the
strategy
resources,
scrutiny
board.
We've
got
a
lot
of
interesting
items
on
the
agenda
today.
Other
my
members.
We
are
live,
streamed
and
that's
available
for
anyone
to
watch
on
the
council's
website.
If
you
are
watching
on
the
live
stream,
the
papers
of
the
meeting
are
available.
If
you
just
search
strategy
and
resources,
scrutiny
board
in
your
search
engine
of
choice
for
anyone
just
joining
us
do
not
adjust
your
sets
counselor
andrew
scopes.
B
Unfortunately
he
can't
be
with
us
to
chair
the
meeting
today
and
so
I'll
be
chairing
the
meeting
on
his
behalf.
He
was
very
sad
not
to
be
able
to
be.
I
was
the
final
meeting
of
his
year
of
the
the
strategy
and
resources
scrutiny
board,
and
I
imagine
he's
probably
watching
this
online
as
we
speak
and
hoping
we
we
raise
the
items
for
him
and
I
will
remind
members,
just
as
I
did
in
the
pre-meet
today
is
the
first
day
of
the
pre-election
purder
period.
B
So
if
people
could
be
careful
not
to
raise
any
comments
that
could
be
seen
as
political
or
to
support
particular
campaigning
awards
and
keep
items
to
the
report
but
again
to
the
to
the
terms
of
reference
of
this
scrutiny
board
where
we
can
at
that
point
I'll
just
pass
to
rob.
Thanks
for
items
one
to
five.
A
Thank
you,
councillor,
carlill,
very
quickly,
then
yeah
item,
one
which
is
appeals
against
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents.
There
are
no
appeals
item
two
exempt
information.
There
are
no.
There
is
no
exempt
information
on
today's
agenda
item
three
late
items
of
business.
There
are
no
late
items.
A
Item
four
is
declaration
of
interest
for
board
members.
Does
anyone
have
any
decorations
they
would
like
to
make
this
morning?
A
I
will
take
that
as
a
no
and
then
item
five
is
apologies
for
absence,
for
which
I
have
a
number,
unfortunately,
due
to
some
members
being
unwell,
so
I
have
apologies
from
councillors
andrew
scopes,
simon
siri
billy
flynn
and
jules
hezelwood
with
councillor
lennox
subbing
for
the
latter,
and
that
concludes
the
apologies.
Thank
you
chap.
B
Thank
you
rob
so
we'll
go
on
to
the
minute
to
the
previous
meeting,
which
all
members
should
have
had
access
to,
and
I'm
first
just
looking.
If
anyone
has
any
points
of
accuracy
they
want
to
raise
on
those
minutes.
If
I
hear
none,
then
we'll
take
those
as
as
read
I
don't
see
any
so
we'll
go
on
to
matters
of
rising
for
those
rob
were
there
any
points
you
wanted
to
raise
on
that
just.
A
Very
quickly,
at
the
last
meeting
in
february,
and
there
was
a
request
for
information
from
board
members
on
staff
sickness.
I
hope
you
should
all
have
that.
Now
I
sent
two
emails
last
week
that
was
minute
59
rather
sorry
and
then
the
staff
inclusion
issue
that
came
to
the
board
in
in
january
just
to
black
members,
I'm
still
working
on
that
with
colleagues,
in
legal
and
in
hr
and
in
terms
of
the
grievance
policy
xeron's
tolerance
policy
issue
that
we
discussed.
A
I
expect
to
conclude
that
in
the
next
few
weeks,
hopefully
I'll
keep
you
informed
of
that
minute,
60,
which
is
in
relation
to
a
letter
to
the
corporate
leadership
team,
about
the
contact
center
again,
that
was
agreed
at
our
february
meeting
and
that
was
issued
on
on
friday,
and
I
I
think
I'd
be
happy
to
share
that
with
the
board
if,
if
they
wanted
to
see
that
and
then
lastly,
just
on
that
item
of
the
contact
center,
I
think
there
was
discussion
at
the
last
meeting
again
about
returning
to
the
item,
and
that
is
certainly
within
the
plans
in
terms
of
handing
over
to
the
successor
board.
B
Thanks
rob
and
thanks
for
all
that,
I
think
it's
probably
a
good
time
to
point
out
that
this
is
the
last
meeting
of
the
year
and
rob
has
been
seconded
to
this
board
to
support
us
from
his
usual
role
throughout
the
year.
I
know
that
councillor
scopes
wanted
to
pass
on
his
thanks
to
you
for
all
the
support
he's
given.
B
Unfortunately,
he
is
unable
to
be
here
today
because
he's
tested
positive
and
for
coverage
so
he's
following
all
the
the
guidelines
as
he
should,
but
as
as
all
members
of
the
board,
I'm
sure
would
like
to
do
to
say
thanks
to
rob
for
your
work,
highlighted
by
the
amount
of
stuff
that
you've
been
able
to
do
since
just
the
last
meeting,
and
I
don't
know
what
I'll
carry
on
here
and
who
knows
what
board
will
carry
on.
But
thanks
for
that.
A
B
B
Okay,
so
we'll
pass
on
to
the
first
item.
So
our
first
item
today
is
the
leads
2023
update
following
the
discussion
that
we
had
in
october
in
our
meeting
and
where
a
number
of
themes
came
out.
The
report
helps
to
answer.
I
think,
some
of
the
questions
we
had
and
provide
a
bit
more
detail.
B
Have
as
you'll
hear
we
do
have,
I
was
going
to
say
one
person
attending
remotely
for
this.
What
I'm
going
to
do
because
of
that,
is
ask
if
members
in
attendance,
if
officers
and
the
executive
member
in
attendance
for
this
item
could
introduce
themselves
and
then
we'll
ask
you
to
if
you
want
to
lead
straight
into
then
introducing
the
report,
but
if
we
can
take
it
as
councilor
scopes
normally
says
that
members
have
read
the
report
and
just
highlight
any
of
the
key
points
in
it.
B
You
wish
to
and
any
any
items
you
think
is
worth
raising
at
this
point
before
the
questions.
D
B
Thank
you
and
we
do
have
one
attendee
remotely
so
we'll
just
check
whether
cully
that's
coming
in
over
the
line
can
introduce
herself.
C
Hi,
I'm
calif,
I'm
creative
director
and
ceo
of
leeds
2023.
I
hope
you
can
hear
me
and
apologies
for
being
slightly
late.
B
E
Yeah,
thank
you
chair,
so
this
isn't
following
attendance
at
scrutiny
in
october
2021
in
relation
to
leeds
2023
our
year
of
culture.
E
The
report
addresses
and
responds
to
some
of
the
key
questions
that
were
previously
raised
by
scrutiny
members
by
highlighting
the
definition
of
culture
that
was
adopted
by
the
council
and
formed
forms
part
of
the
game,
the
grant
agreement
with
leeds
2023
and
sets
out
the
key
principles
therein.
It
then
provides
examples
of
how
leeds
2023
plan
to
put
those
principles
into
action
in
relation
to
community
engagement,
geographical
reach
and
access,
school
and
youth
engagement,
which
cully
will
be
able
to
answer,
questions
on
and,
of
course,
abigail's
here
as
well.
E
The
report
also
provides
an
update
on
the
city
readiness
structures
which
we've
established
since
the
last
meeting
to
ensure
the
partnership
between
leeds
2023
and
the
council
is
strong.
That
includes
the
city
readiness
board
itself,
chaired
by
martin
farrington
and
three
key
subgroups
focused
on
visitor,
welcome
and
strategic
marketing
chair
by
belinda
eldridge
planning
and
feasibility
chair
by
phil
evans
and
young
people.
Education
and
skills
chaired
by
martin
long
detail
is
provided
about
the
approach
to
our
evaluation.
E
Noting
that,
since
we
last
came
to
scrutiny,
leeds
2023
have
appointed
the
audience
agency
with
research
partner
center
for
cultural
value
at
the
university
of
leeds
to
be
the
formal
evaluation
partner
and
finally
leads.
2023
have
made
significant
progress
on
fundraising
and
sponsorship
in
the
last
few
months,
with
over
3.2
million
secured
in
match
funding
to
date
so
over
to
colley.
For
any
additional
points,
you'd
like
to
highlight,
and
then
we're
very
happy
to
take
questions.
C
Thanks
very
much
eve
yeah,
yes,
so
just
to
echo
that
since
last
meeting
you
all
in
october,
we
have
made
some
significant
inroads,
both
in
terms
of
fundraising
aspirations
and
in
terms
of
building
relationships
both
nationally
and
internationally,
as
well
as
the
work
that's
been
happening
in
communities,
particularly
around
my
my
my
world,
my
city,
my
neighborhood,
which
was
a
project
that
embedded
23
artists
in
their
communities
across
a
variety
of
neighborhoods
and
wards,
and
that
work
is
now
some
of
it
is,
is
just
kicking
off
in
terms
of
being
shared
in
terms
of
where
people
have
got
to
so.
C
For
example,
early
last
week
there
was
a
sharing
of
some
of
photography
and
a
digital
artwork
with
collaboration
with
refugees
and
migrants
and
showcasing
at
dewsbury
community
hub
last
night.
There
was
yesterday.
Yes,
there
was
the
african
community
gathering
together
to
share
where
they've
got
to
with
some
of
their
their
ideas
and
presentations
through
the
work
they've
been
doing,
and
that
was
shared
at
the
nunsel
mandala
center
in
chapel
town.
C
So
there's
been
a
a
variety
of
works
that
really
ranged
from
heritage
sort
of
stories
telling
right
through
to
working
building
relationships
with
communities
using
the
lot
allotments
and
community
spaces
to
think
about
creativity
within
those
communities.
C
This
is
planned
for
may
june
and
the
aspiration
is
to
really
talk
a
bit
about
the
my
leads
program,
which
is
will
really
be
about
encouraging
everyone
to
participate
and
find
their
own
way
of
making
contributing
to
the
city's
year
of
culture
and
also
we're
launching
our
volunteering
program,
where
we're
hoping
to
secure
over
a
thousand
volunteers
offering
training
and
skills
development,
as
well
as
working
with
in
partnership
with
the
city
council
and
our
cultural
institutions
in
the
city,
so
that
there's
a
stronger
volunteering
network
after
the
year.
C
We
also
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
our
new
chair,
gabby
logan,
has
joined
us
and
is
spearheading
a
lot
of
the
sort
of
supporting
in
terms
of
profile
and
strategic
sort
of
partnership
building
and,
of
course,
we've
done
a
year
to
go
film.
C
That
allowed
us
to
also
just
set
the
scene
a
little
bit
about
the
preparations
that
were
made
making
in
the
city,
and
it
was
profiling,
a
lead
world
championship,
parkour
runner
running
through
aspects
of
the
city
and
and
seeing
artists
and
communities
getting
ready
for
the
year,
which
attracted
a
lot
of
traction
and
profile
and
was
seen
by
many
thousands
of
people.
C
I
guess
the
other
thing
to
say
was
that
we
having
been
very
hyper
local
in
terms
of
our
connection
to
communities
and
embedding
ourselves
into
the
city,
we're
also
now
profiling,
this
the
city's
aspirations
and
ambitions
through
its
cultural
year,
both
nationally
and
internationally,
and
we,
we
hosted
an
event
in
london
in
partnership
with
the
british
library
to
really
to
over
130
different
stakeholders
across
the
city
of
london,
just
to
showcase
what
we
were
doing
and
that
led
to
a
number
of
other
developments,
both
in
terms
of
potential
creative
partnerships
alongside
fundraising
possibilities.
C
So
I
think,
for
now
that's
probably
sort
of
the
bulk
of
where
I
wanted
to
to
say
I
mean
the
aspiration
remains
to
really
push
hard
on,
ensuring
that
we
can
deliver
a
transformative
year
of
culture.
There
are,
of
course,
inevitably
some
continuing
challenges
with
covid.
C
Some
of
our
community
embedded
work
has
has
been
delayed
at
times
due
to
continuing
sickness
and
access
to
key
individuals
and
also
clearly
the
the
kind
of
context
in
which
we're
working
remains
challenging,
both
in
terms
of
retention,
recruitment
of
staff
and
also
looking
at
how
we
maximize
the
opportunity
when
time
is,
is
coming
fast
coming
upon
us
in
that
39
weeks
away.
So
a
lot
of
work
happening
across
many
many
different
fronts
and
I'm
really
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
specifically.
B
H
But
I've
I've
lost
it.
What
I
wanted
to
ask,
but
just
a
correction
with
regards
to
schools:
it's
you've
got
a
bracken
edge
primary
school
down
as
aries
and
gibton.
It's
in
chaplain,
chaplain,
ward
yeah.
Regarding
the.
H
Yeah
just
ask:
where
will
all
the
adverts
be
with
regards
to
employing
all
these
people
with
the
community
or
each
will
be
paid
to
participate
in
skills
and
training?
Where
will
they
be
coming
from
and
where
will
the
advert
for
all
these
vacancies?
Be.
F
Shall
I
I'll
answer
that
so
yeah?
We
will
be
working
with
a
lot
of
community
embedded
organizations
to
help
spread.
The
word
obviously
we'll
be
all
all
recruitment
is
advertised
on
our
website
and
not
via
our
social
channels.
We
also
have
opportunities
with
yorkshire
evening
post
on
a
on
a
saturday.
F
We
have
a
column
in
that
every
week,
where
we've
been
sharing
a
lot
of
the
community
work
through
that
so
channels,
but
but
also
recognize
that
some
of
these
roles,
it's
better
working
with
embedded
organizations
to
spread
the
word
so
working
with
those
partners
to
help
share
that
information
as
well.
You
know
be
it
posters
in
relevant
community
hubs
that
kind
of
thing
as
well.
H
We
also
did
ask
about
the
community
committees.
When
will
that
be?
When
will
you
all
be
coming
to
the
community
committees,
because
there's
33,
you
know,
and
we
were
told
then
that
would
be
looking
to
and
that
we
would
all
all
have
a
visit.
So
I
mean
this
isn't
found
now.
Is
it
so.
C
Part
of
our
aspiration
was
that
we
were
going
to
do
as
part
of
the
road
shows
that
we
would
work
closely
with
city
council
members
and
counsellors
and
shape
where
we
went
in
order
to
tell
it
to
talk
through
the
where
we
are
with
the
program.
Tell
the
people
a
little
bit
more
about
the
volunteering
possibilities.
The
community
hosts
that
is
was
originally
planned
for
march,
but
we've
had
to
delay
that,
for
a
number
of
reasons
to
may
june
time,.
B
J
Thank
you.
A
couple
of
things
really
potentially
mark
I've
got
the
same
concerns
that
just
been
raised
about
where
we're
going
and
how
we're
going
to
know
about
it.
J
So
how
are
we
going
to
support
those
people
through
that
process
and
the
same
applies
to
the
funding
applications,
because
I
do
funding
applications
on
a
regular
basis
through
our
community
committee
and
that's
bad
enough
and
I've
been
doing
it
for
10
years
and
I
still
find
it
difficult.
So
people
will
need
help
with
that,
and
also
is
the
funding
going
to
be
made
in
advance,
because
I
find
when
I'm
doing
my
thing,
my
my
applications.
J
We
have
access
to
some
money,
so
we
use
that,
but
quite
frequently
it
ends
up
on
community
groups,
credit
card,
personal
credit
cards
to
be
claimed
back
in
arrears.
Now,
if
you're
going
to
go
big
with
a
big
festival
event
in
each
community,
that's
a
lot
of
money.
So
we
need
to
work
out
how
we're
going
to
do
that.
I
understand
we
need
to
keep
track
of
it,
but
spending
it
asking
people
to
spend
it
and
claim
it
back
is
the
difficult
ask
if
you
want
to
do
it
right.
B
Thanks
really
useful,
really
useful
point:
there
yeah.
F
On
the
funding,
so
we
are
working
with
a
lot
of
the
cultural
and
organizations
within
the
city
and
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
asking
those
what
you
know
kind
of
what
what
things
would
they
like
to
make
happen
during
these
2023,
and
we
will
be
supporting
them
if
they
are
to
make
bids
in
to
arts
council,
for
example,
for
project
funding.
F
C
Only
just
to
add
that
we'll
work
closely
with
city
council
colleagues
to
look
at
the
schemes
that
they
already
run
and
how
we
can
connect
up
with
aspects
of
learning
that
has
been
established
in
that
way
and,
of
course,
with
some
of
the
very
smaller
community
organizations.
We
will
try
and
provide
a
toolkit
of
support
and
make
it
as
easy
and
as
accessible
as
we
possibly
can.
C
Whilst
recognizing
scrutiny
around
how
spend
is
happening
but
completely
appreciate
the
comments
being
made
about
how
difficult
and
challenging
it
can
be
for
people.
E
Yeah
just
to
to
add
to
that,
so
members
may
be
familiar
with
arts
at
leads
and
moves
inspired
grants
which
are
referenced
in
the
paper
and
we
do
have
teams
that
provide
and
have
provided
forever
for
ten
years.
Ten
years
this
year
advice
to
organizations
that
are
making
bids
to
us
for
grants,
and
so
our
intention
is
to
align
that
resource
to
support
leads
2023,
and
I
suggest
it's
an
area.
We
can
come
back
to
scrutiny
on
to
clarify
exactly
how
we'll
make
sure
those
people
have
got
that
support
as
well.
B
That'd
be
useful,
thank
you
because
I
think
it's
it's
a
really
important
point
in
making
sure,
obviously
that
the
culture
reaches
everyone,
but
the
opportunities,
the
job
opportunities
that
you
raised
as
well
as
then,
the
opportunities
to
host
something
in
their
ward
is
available
to
everyone
as
well.
B
So
maybe,
obviously
this
is
the
final
meeting
of
this
board
for
the
year
and
we
don't
know
who
will
be
the
chair
next
year
or
even
if
it
will
be
called
the
same
thing
who
knows,
but
at
the
successor
board,
we'll
make
a
note,
and
we
have
got
an
item
on
the
work
program
later
on
at
which
we're
seeing
which
points
to
pass
over.
Did
you
want
to
come
back
on
anything
council,
chapman.
J
Yeah,
sorry,
just
briefly,
I
I
think
I'm
going
to
give
an
example
of
the
complexity
is
the
bid
for
the
jubilee
funding
I
gave
up
and
one
of
our
other
councillors
got
as
far
as
he
actually
managed
to
submit
something.
But
then
the
questions
that
came
back-
we
just
didn't-
have
the
time
to
take
to
fill
it
in
properly
and
get
it
so.
B
I
Thank
you
chair.
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
if
that's
okay,
but
if,
before
I
start,
if
I
could
just
perhaps
lead
on
from
what
my
colleague
has
mentioned-
and
it
does
tie
into
one
of
my
questions,
which
was
about
the
skills
and
training,
because
I've
read
the
report
several
times
and
it's
it's
very
ambitious.
Isn't
it
it
actually
says
there'll,
be
a
skills
and
training
program
for
residents
free
at
point
of
access,
so
kind
of
question
one.
I
What
will
that
look
like
and
how
will
it
differ
from
the
free
level
to
offer
that's
currently
in
place
because
in
my
head,
perhaps
it
should
be
over
and
above
because
they
can.
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is:
is
it
just
advertising
that
or
is
it
will
it
be
some
additionality,
and
perhaps
one
of
the
parts
of
that
offer
could
be
because
I
think
you're
exactly
right
and
when
we
are
around
community
committees,
particularly
people
struggle
with
bid
writing.
I
So
I
mean
I'm
always
offering
to
help
people.
Perhaps
it
could
be
a
skills
workshops
around
putting
those
funding
bids
together
for
people
in
communities
which
I
think
would
be
hugely
beneficial
and
it's
a
tangible
skill
that
will
perhaps
look
to
sustainability
of
their
organizations.
Just
a
suggestion,
and
so
that's
question
one
question
two
hours
looking
at
the
key
principles
and
and
the
the
fabulous
out
there,
but
the
first
one
that
everybody
will
be
engaged
and
participate.
I
I
mean:
that's,
that's
almost
utopian,
isn't
it,
but
how
will
you
work
to
ensure
that
that
actually
happens
as
far
as
possible,
because
we
know
some
people
just
walk
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
but
it's
important
that
people
feel
that
they
can
and
are
involved,
and
it
is
kind
of
directed
at
them,
and
my
last
question
you'll
be
pleased
to
know
is
about
the
evaluation
and
the
five
pillars
of
well-being
for
quantitative
and
qualitative.
I
I
was
kind
of
intrigued
by
that
to
be
honest,
because
that
is
incredibly
difficult
to
measure.
Isn't
it
if
you're
following
the
five
pillars
of
well-being,
then
some
of
them
lend
themselves
to
quantitative
and
scrutiny
and
some
are
qualitative
and
and
doing
a
mix
of
the
two.
It's
very
subjective,
isn't
it
what
it
means
to
individuals?
F
I'll
start
and
then
perhaps
cully
can
come
in
so
on,
I'm
going
to
go
backwards
on
evaluation,
so,
as
eve
mentioned,
we're
working
with
center
for
center
for
cultural
value
based
at
the
university
of
leeds
who
are
very
much
looking
at
that
issue
of
well-being
and
how
to
make
the
case
for
the
role
of
culture
in
improving
people's
well-being
and
the
stage
we're
at
is
we're
just
developing
that
the
the
framework
and
the
ways
in
which
that
we,
we
will
measure
that.
F
So
I
I
think,
kind
of
the
next
time
we
come.
We
could
give
you
much
more
detail
on
how
on
how
that
looks,
as
well
as
the
social
and
economic
impacts
that
we'll
be
measuring
along
the
way
so,
but
that
is
something
that
the
center
for
cultural
value
is
very
keen
on
demonstrating
for
the
wider
work.
So
just
on
that,
yes,
you
know.
Obviously
we
we
want
everyone
to
feel
they've
got
the
opportunity
to
participate.
F
We've
got
a
kpi
of
engaging
75
percent
of
leaders
population,
so
that's
still
a
big
number,
and
that
is
why
working
with
partners
is
really
really
important.
So
people
like
leeds
united
and
the
fan
base
that
they
can
reach
in
terms
of
how
we
make
sure
that
audiences
who
might
go
to
a
football
match
feel
like
there's
something
that
hear
about
what's
going
on
and
also
can
see
that
there's
something
for
them,
so
that
partnership
working
is
really
really
important
and
that
that
extends
right
across
the
business
community.
F
Working
with
big
employers
in
the
city
engaging
their
staff
to
working
with
a
lot
of
the
community
embedded
organizations
and
a
lot
of
the
community
host
work
will
very
much
look
at
doing
that.
But
then
also
there'll
be
things
like
the
media.
How
can
we
harness
live
streaming
opportunities,
as
well
as
broadcast
opportunities
to
reach
those
people
who
might
not
be
able
to
physically
come
to
an
event
that
can
watch
something
at
home
or
see
something
on
the
telly?
F
So
there's
a
whole
range
of
methods
that
we
will
try
and
deploy
to
make
sure
we
reach
as
many
people
as
possible.
We're
also
putting-
and
this
links
a
little
bit
to
the
question
before
about
supporting
organizations
to
maybe
access
funding-
that
we,
the
community,
grant
funding
that
we
will
administer
we're
putting
audience
experience
at
the
heart,
so
the
desire
designing
a
way
for
people
to
interact
that
is
as
inclusive
and
as
accessible
as
possible.
F
So
that
is
something
we
take
really
really
seriously,
because
we
know
there
are
lots
of
barriers
people
face
in
terms
of
accessing
and
participating
in
arts,
so
that's
being
baked
in
as
we
speak,
I
think
kelly.
Can
you
pick
up
the
point
on
skills
and
training.
C
Yeah
sure
I
mean
one
of
the
reasons,
particularly
around
the
whole
programmers
is
being
about
capacity
building
and
that's
both
for
community
groups
and
informal
networks,
but
also
for
the
the
kind
of
cultural
sector
in
the
city,
because
the
ecology
of
the
cultural
sector
is
really
important
to
strengthen.
We
have
some
brilliant.
B
Have
a
fire
alarm
test
at
this
time,
so
if
you
just
give
it
a
second,
it
should
end.
If
it
doesn't,
then
oh
there
we
are
we're
not
on
fire.
Sorry.
C
That's,
okay,
don't
worry
so
I
I
was
just
saying
that
you
know.
We
know
that
you
know
the
city
has
got
a
very,
very
strong
sort
of
infrastructure
around
arts
and
cultural
provision,
and
you
know
he's
a
leading
light
in
creative
education
provision
too,
but
we
also
know
that
there's
a
huge
amount
of
grassroots
activity,
but
there's
a
middle
section
between
the
large-scale
organizations
and
the
smaller
community
embedded
organizations
where
there
is
a
gap
that
needs
looking
at.
C
C
However,
you
know
routes
into
those
are
really
important
to
navigate
so
that
young
people
understand
that
there's
more
to
the
arts
and
the
performing
arts
than
just
being
on
front
on
the
stage.
You
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
the
kind
of
supply
chain
around
putting
on
events
includes
you
know,
skills
as
hairdressers,
carpenters,
runners,
cooks,
etc,
etc,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
feel
really
important
around
skills
development
is
is
insight
into
what
the
opportunities
might
be.
There
is
a
we're
not.
B
Difficult
to
hear
him
from
collie
there,
so
we'll
just
go
through
jonathan.
Did
you
want
to.
D
Add
yeah
briefly,
just
on
councillor
burke's
point
on
on
kind
of
impact.
It
is
something
which
we've
we've
discussed
length,
both
with
23
with
officers
about
how
you
measure
that
impact
of
that
broader
question,
the
value
of
culture,
the
value
of
what
what
we're
doing-
and
it
is
a
difficult
question-
and
I
just
want
to
refer
back
to
one
example-
which
I've
probably
used
to
death.
D
I
don't
know
if
I've
used
it
in
here,
but
opera,
north
in
harmony
program,
which
has
gone
into
a
number
of
schools
in,
I
think
it
went
into,
will
windmill
primary
and
in
your
ward
sharon
first
and
they
take
instruments
to
children.
They
talk
about
sing
in
the
sort
of
school
where
these
kids
would
never
have
experienced
any
of
this,
and
we
looked
at
kind
of
the
impact.
This
had
the
effect
that
this
had
on
on
these
children
and
they
were
a
huge
number.
D
There
were
some
really
tangible
impacts
when
you
look
at
looked
at
their
maths
and
english
attainment,
it
their
increases
in
that
correlated
directly
to
their
relationship
with
culture,
their
relationship
with
music
and
arts,
but
there
were
other
benefits
as
well.
There
was
a
real
benefit
from
just
the
joy
of
them
being
able
to
experience
this
culture
experiencing
something
new,
having
an
experience
that
they
would
have
never
seen
before.
D
Can
you
measure
that
impact?
No?
Probably
not,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
there
wasn't
a
positive
impact
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
recurring
theme,
not
just
of
leeds
2023,
but
culture
as
a
whole.
There
will
be
some
really
tangible,
quantitative
benefits
that
we
will
be
able
to
measure.
We
will
be
able
to
look
at
in
a
scrutiny
report
we'll
be
able
to
put
it
in
an
excel
spreadsheet
and
go
yes.
D
This
is
wonderful,
but
there
are
also
going
to
be
benefits
which
we
aren't
going
to
measure
be
able
to
measure
in
the
same
way
at
all,
and
I
don't
think
that
means
these
should
be
dismissed
in
any
way
or
or
disregarded.
I
think
they
are
just
as
important,
but
I
think
it's
something
we're
going
to
have
to
acknowledge
throughout
that
there
is
going
to
be
that
mixture
of
quantitative
and
qualitative
benefits
to
to
the
whole
year
and
and
culture
as
a
whole,
because
culture
is
subjective.
D
You
know
you
go
around
any
art
gallery
and
there
will
be
things
you
enjoy.
There'll,
be
things
you'll,
look
at
and
think
earth
is
that,
but
it
doesn't
mean
it's
worth
an
any
less
and-
and
I
think
that's
the
that's-
the
joy
of
culture,
that's
the
joy
of
humans.
We
all
enjoy
and
experience
things
in
in
different
ways.
K
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
introduction
and
also
some
of
the
comments
by
colleagues.
K
What
is
going
to
be
done
to
ensure
that
the
other
10
also
get
some
involvement
in
culture
as
well
and
as
a
second
question
you
might
be
asking,
has
there
been
any
approaches
to
any
parish
councils
or
town
councils,
as
well
as
also
the
community
committees,
to
make
sure
that
as
many
community
organizations
or
bodies
are
involved
as
possible,
because
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
evident
so
far
with
so
little
time
to
go?
Thank
you
very
much.
Chair.
F
Okay
on
town
and
parish
councils
yeah,
I
don't
think
we've
done
any
engagement
directly
with
our
parish
and
town
councils.
I'd
also
say:
we've
been
quite
a
small
team
so
to
be
able
to
you
know
kind
of
work
with
council
colleagues
and
working
out
what
what's
the
best
way
we
can
get
into
those
communities
and
again
the
community
roadshow
programme
will
offer
us
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
So
we
can
maybe
consider
how
we
engage.
F
Those
parish
councils
in
in
in
the
community
engagement
pro
programme,
the
the
geo.
I
think
we
are
if
she's
on
the
line.
I
think
we
are
in
all
33
wards
already.
Yes,
my
world,
my
city,
my
neighborhood
was
around
23,
but
there
is
other
work,
we're
doing
on
heritage
organizations
that
we're
working
with
the
schools
commission.
So
I
think
we
are
covered
geographically
and
the
my
world.
F
My
city
project
is
effectively
a
research
and
development
project
on
understanding
and
understanding
how
best
to
work
with
artists
embedded
in
communities
and
how
they
might
develop
ideas
that
become
part
of
this
wider
program
which
hasn't
been
announced
yet,
but
the
my
leads
2023,
which
is
about
everybody
in
the
city
being
able
to
celebrate
leeds
2023
in
their
own
way.
So
as
not
saying
you
must
do
this,
but
actually
saying
what
would
you
like
to
do
and
those
helping
provide
the
tools
and
kind
of
possibility
to
do
that.
F
So
we
are
yeah,
we're
we're
utterly
committed
to
be
in
all
33
wards
and,
of
course,
things
like
the
major
events,
the
12
signature
events
we'll
be
looking
at.
How
do
we
involve
people
in
those
you
know
as
our
audience
members,
but
also
participants
as
well?
So
I
think
we
can
certainly
think
about
giving
you
more
detail
around
the
community
road
show
and
thinking
how
we
involve
those
parish
councils.
F
B
B
I
know
that,
obviously
something
in
my
ward
wouldn't
necessarily
attract
all
of
the
residents
in
my
ward
and
quite
often
it's
the
easiest
place
to
go
in
a
particular
ward,
maybe
the
one
that
people
are
already
an
audience
of
and
it's
the
difficult
places
in
the
world
that
we'd
like
to
see
covered.
So
if,
if
we
do
come
back
and
follow
up
that
point,
that'd
be
good
to
to
cover
as
well
I'll
come
back.
Did
you
have
more
questions?
Sam
yeah.
K
No
thank
you
very
much
for
that,
and
certainly
I
think,
it's
good
to
add
a
bit
more
meat
on
the
bone.
My
concern
is
that
I
appreciate
the
last
meeting.
I
asked
about
the
spread
at
the
time
and
the
board
wasn't
able
to
be
given
that
detail,
and
I
don't
know
whether
that
detail
has
been
provided
other
than
us
going
and
finding
that
detail
in
terms
of
the
communities
that
had
been
covered.
K
K
The
biggest
thing
I
would
say
is
that
if
I
was
running
a
small
team,
I
would
then
be
looking
to
how
we
can
use
a
number
of
people
across
the
city,
I.e,
volunteers
or
even
other
individuals
that
are
in
their
communities
to
be
able
to
expand
that
team
and
help
and
support
that
work
going
forward
very
quickly,
and
one
of
those
key
elements
is
either
the
community
committees
to
then
bring
the
councillors
on
board
to
talk
about
how
they
can
be
involved
in
their
communities.
K
All
the
town
and
parish
councils
that
particularly
have
for
our
more
rural
or
further
out
communities
can
then
have
a
greater
stake
in
leads
2023.
My
concern
is:
is
that
we're
39
weeks
away
and
the
the?
I
don't
want
to
say
it's
an
excuse,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
we
engage
those
bodies,
because
that
could
quickly
ramp
up
the
amount
of
work
you're
able
to
do,
because
then
they
are
able
to
get
on
and
get
the
work
done.
K
They
are
elected,
many
of
them
in
their
own
right
right
as
well
as
us,
and
I
think
that
that
would
certainly
make
it
the
hyper
local
strategy
that
has
been
set
out
already,
and
I
think
that's
clear
that
that
needs
to
be
taken
forward
in
the
next
39
weeks
to
make
sure
that
we
are
in
a
situation
where,
ultimately,
we
don't
get
to
the
start
of
2023
and
projects
are
missed,
opportunities
are
missed
where,
unfortunately,
we
haven't
engaged
them
early
enough
to
get
the
ball
rolling.
Thank
you
very
much,
chair.
B
E
So
so
the
reason
for
putting
in
place
the
structures
of
the
city,
readiness
board
and
the
subgroups
is
exactly
that
counselor
in
terms
of
being
able
to
make
sure
that
we
fast-track
at
least
2023's
understanding
of
some
of
the
existing
structures
and
resources
that
the
council
has
across
the
city
and
I'll
happily
from
a
council
perspective,
pick
up
a
comment
about
parish
and
town
councils,
so
that
we
can
work
out
how
we
can
supplement
these
2023
resources
as
well.
To
make
sure
that
that
that
parting
town
council
is
fully
briefed
on.
E
What's
you
know
what
is
happening
and
getting
things
through
the
usual
channels
of
communication
that
we
have.
K
No
thank
you,
and
I
appreciate
that
answer
and
thank
you
very
much.
I
think
the
only
thing
I
would
say
is
that
the
further
question
would
be:
when
should
ward
members
expect
engagement
with
this
and
community
committees
simply
to
be
able
to
start
kicking
it
off
in
our
own
communities
as
well
as
we
can
volunteer
to
do
that.
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
B
I'll
bring
in
council
mckenna
jim.
G
Well,
thank
you
chair.
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
can
I
say,
thanks
to
eve,
palmer,
john
mander
team.
It's
come
a
long
way
since
I
last
saw
this
report,
but
it
continues.
I
think,
to
be
dominated
by
what's
happening
in
the
wards
and
that's.
I
think
we
need
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
army,
believe
it
or
not,
is
buzzing
with
culture.
You
know.
I
know
that
surprises
people,
but
only
on
saturday
we
had
the
army
spring
festival.
Beautiful
day
we
had
over
a
thousand
people
out.
We
closed
the
town
street.
G
We
have
also
interplayed
trusted
they're
all
involved
they're
all
ready
to
go.
What
they're
always
lacking,
of
course,
is
the
finances
to
move
forward.
Now
all
these
events,
I've
mentioned,
like
the
army
festival,
which
we
have
in
june
christmas
lights,
winter,
wonderful,
land,
a
heavily
dependent
chair
on
their
financing
from
the
community
committees.
G
As
diane
has
said,
and
I
have
to
say,
it's
been
a
real
draw
on
our
resources,
a
real
drawdown
on
their
resources,
and
sometimes
I
think
it's
often
a
little
bit
unfair
to
ask
for
money
for
the
haps.
The
hap
is
about
improving
the
environment
for
local
tenants,
bearing
in
mind
that
local
tenants
have
already
paid
for
into
the
fund
through
council
tax.
Like
everybody
else,
do
we
all
contribute
council
tax,
including
tenants,
but
we're
often
then
expecting
council
tenants
to
put
some
more
money
into
it.
G
So
it's
a
heavy
draw
down
on
them
and
I
just
wonder
like
everything
it
depends
on
the
budget.
What
is
the
budget
to
actually
get
these
wordies
within
our
community
and,
as
I
said
in
army,
we
have
many.
I
know
it's
the
same
in
all
the
awards.
G
You
know
is
that
a
budget
that
we
can
expect
to
draw
down-
and
the
other
thing
was
mentioned
again
by
then
I
have
to
say,
is
I
mean
we're
all
concerned
about
the
same
thing.
That's
what
it
boils
down
to
is
that
it's
often
paid
in
arrears
at
the
community
committee
pay
in
arrears
and
it's
sometimes
difficult
for
people
to
commit
to
money
up
front.
You
can't
have
street
artists
and
what
have
you
and
say
we'll
pay
you
when
we're
getting
money
from
the
community
committee
they
will
clearly
want
to
when
they
do
it.
G
I
like
the
idea
of
engaging
more
with
the
community
committee
because
that
automatically
brings
counsellors
into
the
equations,
because
sometimes
we
give
them
the
money,
the
organizations
and
they
put
on
the
events,
but
there's
little
unknown
involvement
from
the
councillors.
You
know
we
only
know
when
we
turn
up
and
get
our
photographs
taken,
and
I
won't
mention
what
we
do
with
our
photographs
today.
G
You've
already
warned
me
about
that,
so
I
do
think
we
should
be
getting
the
community
committees
involved
at
the
earliest
possible
stage,
and
I
do
think
we
ought
to
be
you
mark
in
a
budget
where
communities
can
draw
down
for
their
events.
I
know
you'll
get.
I
know
john
you'll
get
more
you'll
get
more
demand
and
you
have
cash.
I
know
that
you
know,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
all
tend
to
be
a
beauty
contest
as
well.
G
Don't
they,
you
know
a
little
bit
dependent
on
the
quality
of
the
schemes
put
forward,
but
apart
from
that,
I'm
totally
happy
with
what
you
brought
forward.
I
think
you've
come
forward
a
long
way
and
I
think
I
I
was
one
of
the
first
to
actually
raise
a
little
community.
G
Is
it
happening
in
all
33
wards,
as
well
as
the
12
headline
events,
and
I
think
you've
answered
that,
but
we
we
we
will
need
a
budget
and
I
mustn't
fall
too
heavily
on
the
community
committee
and
I
hope
I
don't
get
into
trouble
with
you
again
chair,
reminding
everybody
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
difficult
year
for
our
well-being
funds
and
I
wouldn't
want
to
think
it
was
all
being
spent
on
art.
G
We
will
have
many
many
hardships,
as
we
know,
with
rising
prices,
and
what
have
you
and
you
know,
there's
other
things.
Community
committee
needs
to
be
setting
their
money
aside
for
not
simply
pushing
her
all
into
arts.
You
know
the
old
saying:
yes,
yes,
bread
and
wine,
but
some
music
too.
Please
thank
you.
B
Too,
if
you
had
to
follow
up
on
that
point
and
also
counselor
first
one
around
what
the
timetable
is
around
community
committees
and
ward
members,
involvement.
D
I
mean
I'd
start
by
saying,
I
think,
there's
obviously,
some
incredible
culture
in
arm,
like
even
myself,
got
to
go
on
a
little
day
trip
out
to
amelie,
as
we
went
to
interplay,
theater,
assembly
house
and
and
just
saw
some
incredible
stuff
going
on,
and
it
is
true
it's
happening
in
all
wards.
We
are
slowly
getting
around
everywhere
in
the
city
in
terms
of
funding
bits.
That
will
be
something
that
the
the
33
people
won
for
every
award
will
be
looking
at
to
to
put
those
bids
together.
D
It
won't
be
coming
after
to
hap
money.
I
think
hap
was
something
that
was
raised
earlier
in
another
world.
That
hap
money
is
not
part
of
this
at
all.
I
I
know
what
you're
talking
about
in
terms
of
community
committee
funding,
in
that
there
is
often
pressure
on
it
for
a
lot
of
events
in
the
ward
again,
I'm
sure
that
will
will
carry
on,
but
this
is
this
is
separate
to
that.
This
isn't
just
we're
having
33
people
to
come
after
the
community
committee
pots.
C
It's
worth
saying,
sorry,
I
I
understand
you
might
not
be
able
to
see
me,
but
I
hope
you
can
hear
me
it's
worth
sort
of
saying
that
the
my
leads
program
is
funded
to
the
tune
of
half
a
million
pounds
from
the
paul
hamline
foundation,
which
is
specifically
looking
at
how
you
support
those
community
hosts
and
how
you
kind
of
enable
communities
to
co-create,
but
also
part
of
that
application
was
really
recognizing
that
community
festivals
and
fates.
C
Oh
excuse
me,
you
know
needed
needed
additional
support
and
profile
for
this.
From
for
its
for
all
the
work,
that's
happening
in
extraordinary
in
the
extraordinary
spaces
and
places,
and-
and
that's
part
of
the
ambition
of
that
of
that
scheme
is
to
sort
of
shine
a
light
on
a
lot
of
work.
That
already
happens
that
perhaps
doesn't
it
that
needs
more
investment
and
capacity
building
and
younger
people
more
actively
involved
and
we're
hoping
that
the
push
through
this
strand
of
our
program
will
help
leverage
greater
investment
into
those
areas.
C
One
one
worth
one
note
worth
noting
that
when
we
commissioned
the
artist
in
armley,
who
created
the
the
the
the
horses
that
became
such
a
favorite
sort
of
sculptural
piece
in
in
in
god's
park,
they
told
me
last
week
that
that
the
success
of
that
has
meant
that
there's
such
an
appetite
for
a
sculpture
trial,
that
further
work
is
being
done
by
those
artists
in
those
communities
to
look
at
how
that
can
be
built
upon
and
so,
and
also
because
of
the
the
advocacy,
some
of
the
advocacy
we're
doing
with
arts,
council
and
other
partners.
C
There's
a
sort
of
opportunity
happening
where
we
can
make
you
know,
community
groups
will
be
able
to
help
and
artists
will
be
able
to
make
applications
into
the
arts
council
in
a
way
that
perhaps
they
might
not
have
thought
possible
previously
and
we're
certainly
looking
at
ways
in
which
we
can
help
make
that
happen.
C
So
those
those
are
those
are
sort
of
examples
of
where
their
sort
of
momentum
of
leads
2023
is
helping
galvanize
and
make
the
most
of
things
are
already
happening
and
growing
them.
So
hoping
we
can
carry
on
doing
that
as
we
as
we
continue
to
raise
funds
to
support
our
artists,
and
I
I
recognize
completely
councillor
mckenna.
C
Your
points
around
the
challenges
are
for
our
communities
and,
of
course,
the
artistic
community
has
been
one
of
the
hardest
hits
through
the
hospitality
and
the
hospitality
sector
in
terms
of
loss
of
talent
disappearing,
because
their
inability
to
to
find
work
and
and
deliver
their
skills
has
always
been.
It's
always
been
a
difficult
territory,
but,
as
freelance
says,
it's
been
particularly
harsh
on
them,
so
part
of
kind
of
generating
the
ecology
is
supporting
that
capacity.
Building
too.
E
It
was
too
yes,
I
do
two
two
things
so
one
and
the
the
detail
on
the
community
grants
isn't
isn't
yet
yet
agreed.
So
the
feedback
that
we've
received
today
is
really
helpful
because
it
means,
as
the
detail
is
worked
through
by
leads
2023
can
be
impacted
and,
as
it
says
in
the
report,
what
we're
also
going
to
try
and
do
is
make
sure
that
the
grants
that
we
give
out
through
leads
inspired
or
aligned
to
some
of
that,
so
that
it
enhances
and
and
supports
rather
than
duplicates
and
effort.
E
So
so
that,
just
just
to
note
that
and
again
perhaps
for
the
success
of
board,
there's
an
opportunity
to
just
to
give
a
bit
more
information
about
how
those
community
grants
will
operate
in
a
future
report
and
just
going
back
to
your
point
around
community
community
committees
and
timings,
and
these
223
have
committed
to
their
road
show
that
was
mentioned
earlier.
E
I
think
you're
making
a
specific
request
for
them
to
attend
every
community
committee
which
I'll
need
to
discuss
separately
with
collee
and
abigail
around
their
ability
to
be
able
to
attend
every
community
to
committing
themselves
and
and
when
they
can
do
that,
because
then
I
can't
give
a
time
scale
for
that
without
agreeing
with
them
outside
the
meeting
and
then
replying
in
writing.
B
Okay,
yeah,
obviously
you've
heard
the
points
on
that
and
I
think
everyone's
agreed
on
that.
So,
if
you'd
be
able
to
come
back
with
that
in
writing
and
just
look
at
the
schedule,
that
would
be
most
appreciated
because
I'm
sure
the
community
committee
will
have
to
get
it
booked
into
their
schedule
as
well.
And
I've
got
a
few
more
points
on
this.
I
jim
just
briefly
coming
back
yet.
G
It
was
mentioned
that
there
was
500
000
from
my
leads
funding
for
communities.
I
believe
I
just
did
a
quick
calculation
and
that
works
out
about
fifteen
thousand.
G
We
should
be
sat
together
shouldn't
we,
we
should
be
joined
today,
so
it
works
out
about
fifteen
thousand
pounds
of
war
per
ward
33
wards,
which
is
not
an
insignificant
sum.
I
have
to
say
it's
quite
and
maybe
with
a
little
help
from
the
community
committee.
We
you
know
we
we
might
be
able
to
do
something,
but
can
I
can
I
go
home
resting
on
that?
That
is
the
minimum
we're
going
to
get
chair.
E
So
I'm
not
not
sure,
that's
exactly
how
it's
going
to
work
in
terms
of
the
half
a
million
being
split
between
every
award
and
again,
I
think
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
this
the
subsequent
committee
we
come
back
with
some
in
some
detail
when
it's
available
around
what
the
likely
amount
of
funding
might
be
available,
how
we're
going
to
support
people
to
be
able
to
add
to
that.
So,
in
effect,
I
think
what
collie
was
implying
was
there'd,
be
some
money
potentially
from
at
least
23
resources.
E
Equally,
adding
to
that
that's
potentially
money
that
will
come
from
these
inspired
and
then
the
idea
is
to
be
able
to
get
more
money
out
of
the
arts
council
by
supporting
communities
to
be
able
to
make
their
own
grants
to
get
money
out
of
the
arts
council.
So
I
think
let
us
clarify
that
next
time
we
come
back
exactly
how
we
see
that
working
and
what
advice
we'll
be
giving
if
that's,
okay,.
B
Yeah,
that's
fine
yeah!
Thank
you,
I'm
taking
a
number
of
notes
on
this.
For
obviously
our
final
item
today
is
is
what
we
may
recommend
for
work
from
the
from
the
successor
to
this
board.
So
the
items
come
in.
I've
got
a
few
more
people
on
the
list,
we'll
take
those
and
then
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item.
So
come
slow,
lennox.
E
Yeah,
actually,
a
lot
of
what
I
was
going
to
say
has
sort
of
been
extrapolated
out
in
the
most
recent
comments.
What
I
was
really
going
to
ask
for
is
for
for
members
and
also
for
community
groups,
and
it's
probably
a
sort
of
bigger
piece
of
work
for
2023
2023
to
do
is
a
presentation
or
an
overview
of
all
of
the
different
strands
of
what
is
happening.
E
That
is
a
public
facing
thing
that,
whether
that's
a
film,
whether
that's
a
booklet
or
whether
it's
something
online,
that's
that's
a
a
very
much
more
sort
of
intuitive
or
open,
accessible
sort
of
overview
map
of
where
things
are
happening
geographically,
where
things
are
happening
in
schools
and
something
that
brings
together
all
of
these
strands
of
work
that
we
can
then
go
out
and
support
and
promote,
because
we
we've
we've
all
been
reading.
E
E
It
would
be
really
helpful
to
to
have
something
that
we
can
all
go
out
and
sell
this
and
then
and
the
reason
that
I
say
it's
sort
of,
because
obviously,
you've
got
a
fantastic
website
which
covers
a
lot
of
things.
But
there's
so
many
things
going
on.
That's
some
sort
of
top
level
overview
or
map
of
something
and
less
to
talk
about
sort
of
who's,
funding
it
from
where
or
and
but
also
to
sort
of
tie
in
a
little
bit
with
what
we're
talking
about
about
the
value
of.
E
What's
going
on
for
people
as
well,
and
I'm
sure
that
something
like
that
is
on
your
list
of
things
to
have
and
things
to
do.
But
now
that
programs
are
being
set
up
and
things.
That
would
be
a
really
good
thing
for
us
to
have.
F
Yeah
absolutely
and
obviously
we
have
to
tread
that
fine
balance
of
not
revealing
too
much,
because
we
want
to
keep
an
element
of
surprise
and
wonder,
but
the
23rd
of
september
2022
is
100
days
to
go,
and
we
see
that
as
a
pivotal
moment,
where
we
will
announce
kind
of
detail
on
some
of
the
program
but
and
we
will
be
developing
the
website
and
our
communications
over
the
next.
I
mean
that's
the
priority
for
the
next
months
and
can
definitely
pull
together.
F
You
know
tool
kits
packs
that
can
help
do
that
work
for
you
as
ward
members.
So
that's
very
much
kind
of,
as
you
say,
on
on
the
plan
to
do
on
my
to-do
list.
Firstly,
and
also
just
to
say
we're
only
really
scratching
the
surface
here,
you're
right,
there's
like
it's,
a
very
complex
programmer
delivery
and
we
haven't
really
talked
about.
F
We've
got
the
produce
strand,
which
is
the
12
major
events
and
around
that
the
great
skills
and
the
education
work,
but
we've
also
got
a
partnership
strand
of
work,
which
is
about
us
trying
to
amplify
what
is
already
going
on
in
the
city
and
communities
and
we're
just
developing
the
way
in
which
communities
can
work
with
us
to
do
that.
So
there's
a
whole.
You
know
in
terms
of
the
brand
assets
that
we
will
support.
F
You
know
organizations
to
make
sure
that
we're
shining
a
light
and
then
also
the
final
strand
is
the
promote
strand
and
that's
about
promoting
this
city
to
to
its
residents,
but
also
nationally
and
internationally,
which
links
to
the
visitor
offer
tourism
attracting
students
to
come
and
study
here
and
attracting
businesses
to
come
and
invest
here
because
of
the
fantastic
cultural
offer,
so
we're
operating
at
multiple
different
levels,
and
I
think
I
totally
take
on
board
your
point,
the
the
need
to
break
that
down
a
bit
and
be
able
to
communicate
it
back,
and
so
I
can
definitely
work
with
you
on
that.
B
I
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
the
city
culture
is
a
fantastic
concept,
even
though
I
asked
lots
of
questions
so,
but
there's
one
thing
that
I'm
kind
of
always
struck
by
when
we
produce
the
royal
we
obviously
reports
and
evaluations.
I
There
are
inevitably
lots
of
people
who
are
excluded
and
feel
excluded
from
that,
and
that's
particularly
pertinent
in
some
of
the
super
output
areas,
the
more
deprived
areas
of
the
city,
it's
really
prevalent.
So
I
think
this
is
a
a
fantastic
opportunity
to
try
and
engage
them
and
and
show
them
that
culture
perhaps
is
for
them
and
it's
something
that
they
can
engage
in,
because
there's
some
areas
where
culture
is
part
of
their
everyday
life.
Isn't
it
even
though
sometimes
the
perhaps
don't
recognize
it
as
such.
I
So
an
example
of
that
I'd
like
to
say
I
dreamt
this
up,
but
it
would
be
a
lie
about.
10
years
ago
I
was
working
with
a
group
who
procured
instruments.
I
I
I
can't
say
online,
it
wasn't
very
good,
but
it
was
brilliant
at
the
same
time
and
that
kind
of
engaged
a
whole
community
in
classical
music
and
things
where
they
would
have
never
dreamt
of
being
involved.
So
that's
the
type
of
thing
that
I'm
meaning
and
I'll
just
finish
by
saying
it's
brilliant-
that
you're
working
with
community
groups,
but
in
some
areas
of
the
city,
the
people
who
engage
with
those
groups
are
finite.
I
So
there's
lots
as
more
people
who
don't
engage
than
do
so.
Perhaps
we
could
spread
that
message
out
a
little
bit
got
some
ideas
but
to
engage
people
who
wouldn't
go
to
the
groups,
because
it's
important
that
this
is
a
chance
for
them
to
to
get
all
the
things
and
and
raise
their
aspirations.
Thank
you.
B
We'll
take,
if
you
don't
mind,
we'll,
take
the
last
three
contributions
and
then
allow
you
to
answer
all
of
those
and
I'll
see
if
jonathan
wants
to
sum
up
with
anything
as
well,
and
then
I've
got
the
items
that
we'll
take
forward
councillors
chapman
you
want
to
raise
yours
as
well
and
then
council
of
firth
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
deal
with
all
of
those
points.
J
Yeah
sorry,
I
seem
to
have
got
more
since
we've
gone
up
gone
along.
Some
of
it
is
more
comments
that
are
all
suggestions:
the
15
k
per
ward.
I
did
exactly
that
calculation.
I
was
actually
going
to
be
slightly
less
than
that
and
suggest
maybe
10
000
per
ward,
but
keeping
a
central
fund
that
then
can
be
applied
to
or
you
centrally
for
something
I
was.
I
was
also
going
to
say.
J
One
way
of
one
way
of
dealing
with
the
upfront
payment
is
is
maybe
to
learn
from
covered,
because
we
were
all
given
money
at
the
community
committees
up
front
that
that
was
actually
sent
out.
You
know
allocated
to
us
to
use
as
we
needed
to
do
in
our
ward,
so
that
mechanism
is
there.
We
just
need
to
be
able
to
grasp
it
and
use
it
again
and
another
way
that
I
think
we
can
help
is
if
the
council
can
make
sure
that
we
are
where
we
are
using
community
buildings
within
our
areas.
J
Generally
and
again,
my
only
other
comment
was
it's
a
back
to
the
publicity
and
telling
people
what
we're
doing.
We
all
have
lots
of
community
events
in
our
areas.
For
example,
I've
got
a
mayday
celebrations
thing,
beginning
of
may.
I've
got
a
summer
carnival
in
july
if,
if,
if
leaves
2023
wanted
to
come
along
to
those
events
where
they
stall
to
sort
of
try
to
promote
what
they're
doing
at
those
events,
that
is
a
really
good
way
of
engaging
with
a
lot
of
people
in
one
go.
K
You,
oh
sorry,
sorry
thank
you.
I,
I
think
that's
a
really
good
point
from
councillor
chapman
about
the
actually
being
involved
in
the
events
that
are
currently
going
on
to
try
and
promote
leeds
2023,
particularly
in
my
warden
across
the
outer
northeast.
There
are
multiple
events,
that's
simply
because
also
the
fact
that
just
like,
in
places
like
armley
and
now
across
the
city,
there
is
the
community
there
and
there
is
a
resource
to
tap
into
to
be
able
to
really
push
2023.
K
As
far
as
it
can
go,
and
I
think
the
one
thing
I
would
say
is
that
there
was
another
point
that
I
particularly
raised
the
last
meeting,
which
is
about
funding
from
external
sources,
and
I
can
certainly
see
the
progress
with
the
3.2
million.
That's
been
secured
from
external
funding
and
I'm
sure
there'll
be
more
in
train.
K
That's
in
here,
because
it
is
very
ambitious
again
and
the
reason
I
mention
that
is
also
because
I
would
like
to
posit
something
else,
given
the
cost
of
living
crisis
that
we're
currently
dealing
with
at
the
moment,
the
issues
that
people
are
having
every
single
day
would
it
be
fully
necessary
for
all
of
the
funding
to
continue
to
come
from
central
funding.
Or
could
we
be
a
bit
more
ambitious
and
allow
that
external
funding
to
take
that
pressure
off
and
allow
the
council
to
then
invest
in
other
services
within
it?
K
B
Well
coming
this
well,
I
had
a
point
around
the
spread
of
funding
anyway
that
I
wanted
to
look
at
because
we
obviously
had
there's
council
funding,
there's
also
then
funding
from
other
public
sector
organizations
and
embodies
that
we
can
go
and
then
there's
the
private
funding
as
well
that
we're
hoping
to
get
from
private
donations
so
making
sure
that's
split,
that's
something
we
want
to
go
in,
but
can
I
ask
then,
for
responses
to
all
of
councillor
burke,
chapman
and
firth's
points
there
and
then
jonathan?
If
you
want
to
sum
up
at
the
end.
E
So
I
think
colleen's
best
place
to
answer
the
answer.
The
question
around
funding,
which
is
probably
a
good
place
to
start
in
terms
of
will
we
achieve
the
target
and
where
and
where
we
are,
but
before
I
pass
over
to
cully.
E
We
do
have
budget
that
is
part
of
our
routine
budget
for
culture
that
gives
out
grants
through
arts
at
leads
and
leads
inspires,
and
we
will
use
that
money
to
align
to
what
leads
2023
are
doing
in
the
year,
but
it
is
separate
to
the
money
which
is
going
to
lose
2023
from
our
budget,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that's
properly
understood
and
then
I
think
collee
cool
is
best
place
to
answer
the
broader
questions
on
budget.
C
It's
probably
worth
noting
that
sort
of
75
to
80
percent
of
cities
of
culture,
european
capitals
of
culture
and
funding
is
split
between
trust
foundations,
public
sector
versus
private
sector.
And
that's
that's
a
that's
a
trend.
That's
true
across
most
uk
cities
of
culture
too.
I
think,
in
terms
of
just
just
by
way
of
setting
the
context
a
little
bit
in
the
original
european
capital
of
culture
bid.
C
We
were
looking
at
a
62
million
pound
programme,
our
overall
budget
and
when
we
were
no
longer
part
of
able
to
be
part
of
that
competition,
a
revised
budget
of
34
million
was
was
looked
at
with
12
million
of
lead
city
council
investment.
Acting
acting
as
leverage
to
that
coventry
is
currently
uk
city
of
culture
and
is
working
with
around
40
million
pound
programme
and
whole
city
of
culture
in
2017
was
about
34
million.
C
So
we
already
know
that,
because
the
constraints
that
we
found
ourselves
in
with
regards
to
not
being
part
of
a
a
framework
like
european
capital
of
culture
and
on
top
of
that,
the
challenges
of
coved
that
our
our
target
are
ambitious
and
we
remain
ambitious
in
in
trying
to
achieve
them,
we're
confident
that
we
can
get
to
about
21
and
a
half
million.
But
the
programme
that
we
want
to
deliver
is
closer
to
30
million.
C
So
though
those
challenges
remain,
and
one
of
the
or
one
of
the
dynamics
of
of
running
an
operation
like
this
is
that
things
change
consistently.
So
it
you
know
and
can
change
very
quickly
and
managing
the
route
to
what
we
think
we
can
deliver
and
how
much
is
in
the
bank
to
deliver.
It
will
always
be
a
complex
situation
to
work
through.
However,
I
remain
really
really
confident
and
abigail.
C
I'm
sure
can
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
the
sort
of
feedback
from
both
the
public
and
the
corporate
sector,
that
there
is
huge
enthusiasm
and
an
interest
in
leeds
2023,
both
locally
and
nationally
and
internationally.
C
We've
been
hugely
successful
in
drawing
down.
You
know
close
to
four
million
pounds
given
given
that
we've
been
a
startup
really
working
in
very,
very
difficult,
very
difficult
context.
So
we
are
confident.
I
think
it
will
be.
C
You
know,
will
remain
difficult
in
in
trying
to
land
that
money
in
time,
because
the
deadline
for
being
able
to
deliver
some
of
these
things
is
is
challenging
in
terms
of
some
of
our
large-scale
works
that
we
want
to
make
happen
require
leading
times,
and
you
know
making
sure
we're
absolutely
all
that,
although
people
are
sort
of
saying
they're
really
interested
and
committed
actually
getting
them
across
the
line
with
a
signed
check
in
the
bank.
Is
it
takes
time?
C
So
that's
where
that's
sort
of
where
we
are,
I
think
at
the
moment,
abigail.
Is
there
anything
else
you
want
to
add
to
that?
Yes,.
F
Just
to
say,
while
we're
39
weeks
away
from
first
of
january,
2023
we're
18
months
away
from
december
23
and
of
course,
events
will
be
taking
place
right
across
the
year.
So
we
are
not
going
to
be
stopping
fundraising
in
december
and
what
the
evidence
shows
from
previous
cities
of
culture
is
that,
like
commentary
fundraising,
goes
on
in
year
and
right
throughout,
so
we
have
got
a
dedicated
kind
of
team
working
on
that
pipeline
and
you
know
kind
of
at
the
moment.
F
I
think
that
we're
confident
around
raising
you
know
there's
five
million
in
the
pipeline
at
the
moment.
So
it
is
a
question
of
time
to
be
able
to
convert
some
of
that,
particularly
from
businesses,
but
the
tr,
and
the
other
thing
I'd
just
say,
is
that
obviously
the
trusts
and
foundation
you
know
the
arts
funders.
The
social
change
funders
often
require
that
we
provide
match
funding.
F
So
again,
the
the
investment
from
leed
city
council
allows
us
to
say
that
we've
got
much
funding
for
some
of
these
big
applications
at
the
half,
a
million
and
million
plus.
So
it
is
really
important
that
that
leverage
that
that
investment
can
allow
us
to
draw
down
further
further
investment
from
other
funders.
But
we
are
turbocharging
our
fundraising
efforts.
F
We
are
that's
the
team
that
we
are
kind
of
increasing
in
number
so
that
we
can
make
sure
we
maximize
the
opportunities
that
exist
out
there
to
bring
funding
into
leads
for
our
year
of
culture.
So
I'm
just
to
reassure
you
that
we
are
on
it.
D
Just
to
conclude,
then,
really,
I
think
I
of
course
want
to
thank
colleen,
abigail
and
the
whole
2023
team,
who
I
think,
I
think
are
doing
an
incredible
job.
D
I
think
it
was
always
going
to
be
a
difficult,
difficult
challenge,
but
then
kind
of
doing
all
the
preparations
throughout
covid
has
been
even
more
challenging
and
I
think
abigail
kind
of
framed
it
well
when
she
said
that
that
real
difficulty
with
trying
to
create
a
level
of
excitement
with
kind
of
keeping
things
a
bit
under
wraps
to
build
that
tension,
while
also
giving
little
tidbits
out
to
kind
of
also
let
people
know
what's
going
on,
and
I
think
council
linux
suggestion
of
having
some
top
line
stuff,
I
think,
is
a
good
one
where
we
can
certainly
look
at
that
and
councillor
burke
are
absolutely
writing
in
and
how
we
get
will
get
to
all
those
people
in
communities.
D
I
know
that's
that
that
frames
a
lot
of
conversations
in
how
you
reach
those
people
who
are
really
hard
to
get
to,
and
I
hope
that
kind
of
as
the
year
goes
on,
our
elected
members
can
become
our
our
advocates
for
2023.
They
can
draw
people
in
councillor
chapman
when,
when
there
are
events,
do
do.
Let
me
know
I
can.
I
can
speak
to
23..
D
Obviously
we
can't
be
everything,
but
I'm
sure
we
can
be
it,
but
some
of
the
some
of
the
really
some
of
the
really
large
events-
and
I
think
that
there's
a
wider
point
around
2023's
and
culture's
place
in
in
the
economy
to
address
some
of
what
councillor
firth
was
saying.
I
I
think
before
covid
2023
was
going
to
be
an
incredible
year.
It
would
be
great
for
the
economy.
I
think,
since
the
economic
hit
we've
had,
23
has
become
essential
to
rebuild
our
economy.
D
After
when
you
look
at
the
return
you
get
on
cultural
events,
I
think
was
it
six
pounds
in
every
one
invested.
I
think
there's
been
some
of
the
statistics,
it's
how
an
economy
functions,
it's
how
money
moves
faster
around
and
it
recovers.
We've
already
seen
2023's
ability
to
bring
more
money
into
leads
after
we,
as
a
council,
has
invested
money
that
wouldn't
have
come
into
leads
without
that
investment
and-
and
I
think
that's
something
that
that
that
coulee
and
the
team
can
really
build
on
as
abigail
says,
it'll
build
throughout
the
year.
D
I
suspect,
as
people
see
how
how
incredible
the
events
are
in
january
february
and
march
they'll
be
even
keener
to
invest
in
those
in
october
november
december.
I
think
that
that
will
really
that
strength
will
grow
throughout
the
year
and
and
yes,
we
are
in
a
difficult
economic
time
and
that's
exactly
why
we
need
to
be
doing.
Events
like
this
that
that
grow
our
economy
help
create
good
and
strong
jobs
and
feed
into
all
the
council
agendas
too.
So
I
am
really
excited
for
the
year.
D
Just
thank
you
for
all
your
questions
today
and
I'm
sure
we'll
be
in
touch
constantly
about
this.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
jonathan
yeah,
thank
you
to
everyone
that
came
today
and
spoke
on
the
item.
As
you
say,
I'm
sure
this
won't
be
the
last
this
board
and
whatever
restoration
of
this
board
comes
forward
next
year.
Here's
I
have
taken
down
a
few
points
around
that
we'll
we'll
go
on
to
our
next
item
and
then
we'll
come
back
when
we
get
to
the
work
program
on
the
bits
that
we'd
like
to
pass
over
to
the
chair
of
the
next
board.
B
So
the
next
item
we
have
is
continuing
the
work
on
the
future
waste
inquiry.
It's
a
summary
of
the
evidence
we
heard
in
the
the
two
sessions
that
this
board
held
in
that
we'll
just
take
a
couple
of
moments.
While
we
get
officers
in
position
for
this
one.
B
We'll
carry
on
with
this
one.
Now,
as
this
is
the
summary
of
evidence
that
the
committee's
heard,
I
think
I'll
pass
over
to
to
rob
whose
report
it
is
to
to
start
us
off,
and
then
I
don't
know
if
officers
and
the
executive
member
want
to
make
any
comment
before
we
go
on
to
questions
from
the
board.
A
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
so
this
this
item
presents
a
summary
of
evidence.
There
were
two
evidence
gathering
sessions
in
october
and
november
of
2021
evidence
heard
both
from
internal
witnesses,
colleagues
within
environmental
services
and
also
from
external
witnesses,
from
veolia
and
hw
martins,
who
came
in
and
provided
evidence
of
the
november
session.
This
is
a
form
of
a
better
term,
a
placeholder
report,
where
we
just
summarize
what
we've
do
the
work
we've
done
in
this
municipal
year
as
councillor
cal
has
already
referred
to.
A
It's
likely
that
this
could
be
passed
over
to
the
successor
board
for
the
following
municipal
year,
so
this
really
presents
the
board
members
a
a
summary
of
where
we've
got
to
and
obviously
john's
kindly
agreed
to
attend,
along
with
councillor
rafiq,
to
take
questions.
Thank
you.
Chad,.
B
H
Thank
you,
council,
mohammed
fight,
I'm
the
executive
member
for
environment
and
housing.
I
I
think
the
report
is
self-explanatory
and
the
main
justice
like
rob,
said
in
the
report
to
stipulate
it
was
look
at
the
look
of
the
the
funding
and
and
the
contractual
matters
you
know
relating
to
it,
but
also
how
to
increase
our
recycling
volume
as
well
and
how
that
could
be
funded.
So
you
know
we
had
some
really
good,
interesting
discussion
and
contributions
from
members.
I
don't
have
much
to
say
at
this
stage.
H
I
know
john's
gonna
add
a
few
comments
about
some
of
the
stuff
we're
doing
recently
and
then
we're
happy
to
take
any
questions.
L
Just
abstained
by
mistake:
hello.
My
name
is
john
woolmer,
I'm
chief
officer
for
environmental
services.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
say
a
few
words
from
my
perspective
as
a
chief
officer
covering
a
lot
of
the
responsibilities
in
this
report.
I
welcome
it
and
welcome
the
work.
That's
been
done
by
scrutiny
on
this.
It's
really
helpful.
Thank
you.
I
think
the
point
I'd
make
really
is,
and
I'd
also
welcome
the
the
inquiry
and
the
work
continuing
into
the
next
work
program.
L
I
think,
will
be
really
helpful,
largely
because
the
next
piece
of
work
I
need
to
bring
forward
is
is
the
way
strategy
for
leads
and
I'm
spending
bringing
that
forward
in
the
next
few
months.
L
I
won't
go
over
the
ground
and
why
that's
been
delayed,
but
obviously
kobe
and
the
delay
of
the
national
resource
away
strategy
has
been
the
main
reason
for
that.
But
I'd
just
like
to
draw
attention
to
a
couple
of
pieces
of
work
that
we've
undertaken
at
the
moment
that
I'll
have
a
huge
bearing
on
on
the
waste
strategy
for
leads,
but
also
the
information
we
can
bring
back
to
this
scrutiny
board
under
the
scrutiny
board,
where
it
was
appropriate.
We're
doing
some
composition
analysis
at
the
moment.
I
made
reference
to
that.
L
I
think
in
discrete
meetings,
but
that
just
repeat
what
that
is:
that's
work
that
looks
at
the
green
bins
and
the
black
bins
in
leads
in
terms
of
what's
in
them,
so
composition,
analysis,
it's
a
thorough
study,
that's
undertaken
by
a
third-party
company
and
that
works
now
complete
and
we
we've
got
the
first
draft
of
that
information
through
to
us.
We
need
to
start
looking
through
and
have
some
follow-up
information
requests
from
the
company.
L
That'll
really
help
us
in
terms
of
understanding,
what's
in
the
black
and
green
bins,
another
a
large
influence
on
our
strategies
going
forward,
for
example,
we'll
have
a
much
better
idea.
What
how
much
food
is
in
the
black
bin
currently
and
therefore
his
potential
to
be
captured
in
other
means
and
glass
too,
but
also,
what's
also
in
the
back
bin
that
potentially
could
still
be,
could
currently
be
put
in
the
green
bin.
L
L
That'll
provide
us
with
the
composition
of
what's
in
the
green
bin
at
the
moment
that
links
to
the
second
piece
of
work,
that's
just
starting
up
now,
where
we
had
to
wait
for
both
these
pieces
of
work
really
until
the
effects
of
coving
on
the
what's
being
presented
at
the
kerbside
was
reduced
enough
to
make
it
meaningful.
L
But
the
second
piece
of
work
is
looking
at
a
carbon
impact
analysis
of
all
the
work
that
we
do
in
leads
for
the
environmental
services.
That's
not
just
the
operator.
Sorry
that
includes
the
operational
side
of
things,
so
the
impact
of
how
we
collect
waste
the
vehicles
where
we
go
to
the
contracts
we
have
so
that
that
more
operational
side
of
of
carbon
impact,
but
critically
in
terms
of
the
the
role
of
this
scrutiny
board
and
the
the
questions
you've
been
asking.
L
It's
around
the
the
waste
streams
that
we're
collecting
and
the
waste
types
and
again
a
leeds-based
assessment
of
the
carbon
impact
of
those
waste
streams.
So
both
in
terms
of
if
we
reduce
those
go
and
say
to
the
black
bin
to
to
be
incinerated
and
instead
looked
at
more
recycling.
What
carbon
impact
benefits
would
that
have
for
each
of
the
waste
streams?
L
And
I
mentioned
that
after
the
combination
analysis,
because
that
allows
us
to
look
at
what's
in
the
green
bin
and
make
more
carbon-based
decisions
on
our
strategy
rather
than
just
chasing
percentages
and
tonnages,
which
is
how
historically,
we've
been
measured
and
at
the
moment
it
seems
to
be
indication
will
continue
to
be
measured
nationally.
But
we
want
to
look
at
that,
rather
than
chasing
percentages
and
of
tonnages.
Look
at
actually
what's
the
carbon
benefit
of
doing
that.
L
It
may
well
be
that
there's
synergy
there,
and
some
of
the
heavier
stuff
is
also
some
of
the
best
carbon
reduction
materials
for
us
to
chase,
but
it
may
not
be.
It
may
be
some
of
the
lighter
stuff
that
we
perhaps
therefore
historically
wouldn't
chase
is
some
of
the
the
materials
we
should
be
focusing
on
focusing
our
strategy
to
reduce
and
recycle
more
on.
L
So
that's
quite
a
leading
piece
of
work,
really
that's
not
as
far
as
we
can
see,
particularly
being
done
nationally
and
and
particularly
focused
at
a
city
level,
to
make
it
more
local,
based
so
I'll,
be
able
to
bring
that
information
back
through
the
board
relatively
soon
and
we're
expecting
that
work
to
be
completed
in
the
next
two
or
three
months,
and
then
I
can
bring
those
both
those
pieces
to
work
together
and
not
help
them
form
natural
waste
strategy.
B
Thanks
yeah,
thanks
to
you
both
for
those
opening
comments,
that's
really
useful,
because,
obviously
this
is
a
joint
inquiry
across
the
two
boards,
we're
focusing
really
on
the
the
contracts,
the
finance
side
and
the
waste
strategy
as
part
of
the
remit
of
this
board.
But
there
has
always
been
that
the
discussions
we
have,
I
think,
centered
very
much
around
that
value
to
the
council.
B
Should
we
say
of
the
waste
contracts,
both
the
value
to
to
the
council's
budget
and
the
value
in
terms
of
the
carbon
impact
that
could
have
and
and
the
other
strategies
that
we
have
as
a
council
as
a
whole.
B
So
I
think
that
information,
I'm
sure,
will
pass
to
the
to
the
chair
of
the
successor
board
as
as
we
go
into
the
new
year,
but
I
would
imagine
we
continue
with
that
project
because
that's
the
information
I
think
we're
all
trying
to
grapple
with,
and
we
all
wanted
the
detail
last
time
so
I'll
open
up
for
questions
on
this
I've.
I've
got
councillor
firth
first.
K
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
thank
you
both
to
council,
rafik
and
john
wilmer
for
their
introductions.
This
service
is
quite
prevalent
because
it
was
a
white
paper
that
came
to
from
our
group
for
last
week
in
full
council
and
and
despite
you
know,
we
don't
want
to
reiterate
the
debate.
There
was
obviously
a
wider
discussion
about
the
ambitions
in
terms
of
of
looking
forward,
and
I
want
to
place
on
the
record
to
start
off
with
a
number
of
things.
K
First
of
all,
thank
you
to
the
crews,
as
was
discussed
in
the
previous
meeting,
and
also
more
generally,
simply
because
of
the
times
they're
dealing
with,
but
also
more
generally,
in
terms
of
looking
at
how
the
review
of
all
routes
is
very
welcome,
simply
because
now
it's
accepting
the
the
difference
in
time
that
we
are
now
lying
in,
which
is
particularly
around
tonnage
and
the
amount
that
our
crews
and
our
teams
are
having
to
collect.
B
Sorry
can
I
stop
you
a
second
by
the
way
we're
really
looking
at
the
contract
side.
There
is
the
finance
and
budget
side,
but
in
terms
of
the
organizational
side
of
the
service,
I'm
a
bit
worried
we're
straining
into
councillor
anderson
scrutiny
board
there.
There
is
the
cost
side
and
I
know
you've
framed
the
question
around
the
budget.
So
maybe,
if
we
we
can
frame
that
budget
cost
of
what
a
missed
collection
could
be,
but
I
think
the
the
operational
side
of
the
refuse
service
isn't
necessarily
what
we
should
be
looking
at.
K
No
understandable
chair,
I
think
the
biggest
thing
is
emphasizing
cost,
because
that
is
where
we
have
to
bring
it
into
the
discussion
about
in
terms
of
actually
how
we
improve
the
wage
strategy
and
collection
in
the
city,
and
I
think
that's
a
valid
point
that
I
think
needs
to
be
reflected
in
the
report.
In
that
sense,
then
I'll
move
on
to
a
separate
question,
which
is
about
the
the
situation
around
food
waste
collection
and
the
ambitions
of
the
government
to
deliver
it
across
the
country
by
2025..
K
K
Obviously,
there
was
295
million
allocated
in
the
spending
review
by
the
government,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
in
particular:
could
you
give
us
any
more
meat
on
the
bone
about
what
leeds
is
doing
to
lobby
the
government
and
also
prepare
the
way
to
be
able
to
deal
with
that
matter,
in
particular,
just
simply
because
of
the
fact
of
the
financials,
and
also
more
generally,
in
terms
of
actually
responding
with
government
directly.
B
Thank
you,
yeah
john.
Do
you
want
to
pick
up
on
on
the
point
around
the
the
food
waste
and
then
maybe
that
budgetary
point,
obviously
thinking
about
the
remit
of
our
board,
the
overall
budget
for
the
waste
service
and
how
how
the
waste
strategy
could
support
that.
L
Maybe
joe
I'll
I'll
start
with
a
second
point.
First,
if
that's
okay,
so
yeah,
I
I
take
the
point
around
the
cost
of
collecting
misspins.
I
think
my
main
response
to
that
is
it's
something.
L
We
acknowledge
that
the
service
at
the
moment
is
operating
in
a
way
that
we
would
think
would
be
more
efficiently
run,
and
the
board
will
recall
that,
prior
to
the
pandemic,
which
started
at
the
full
service
and
root
review
of
the
city
that
had
a
number
of
objectives
that
were
shared
with
the
certainly
council,
anderson
scrutiny
board
and
a
key
objective,
of
course,
was
to
look
at
redesigning
all
the
routes
across
the
city
to
make
them
more
efficient,
but
also
to
deal
with
some
of
the
issues.
L
I've
been
raising
to
the
scrutiny
board
around
how
we
collect
information
using
camps,
how
we
have
a
better
job
description
from
the
crews
that
allows
that
how
we
invest
in
new
fleet
and
and
how
we
look
at
access
issues
in
in
certain
parts
of
the
situation,
historically
being
difficult.
So
there's
quite
a
number
objective
that
quite
wide
ranging
with
you
looked
at.
L
That
is
the
next
next
task
and
we're
on
that
with
that
review
now,
which
we've
restarted
in
the
new
year,
another
dedicated
project
we've
taken
that
forward.
So
that's
where
I'd
expect
some
of
the
issues
that
create
the
inefficiencies
that
we
still
have
and
recognized
were
there
after
having
roots
they're
10
years
old
in
place.
So
I
do
recognize
that-
and
that
is
something,
as
I
say,
is
in
place
to
try
and
address
food
collection
yeah.
It's
a
difficult
one
in
that.
L
That
clearly
is
a
national
issue
and
councils
across
the
country,
whether
that
be
through
the
lga
or
through
larack
being
representing
councils
across
the
country
have
put
in
their
views
to
as
part
of
the
consultation
process
at
the
moment
that
deaf
rooms
are
taking
and
we're
waiting
all
eagerly
for
the
results
of
that
consultation
to
be
announced
in
early
2022
was
the
latest
update
we
get
so
we
have
put
our
views
in
in
terms
of
the
consultation
collected
as
a
collectively
and
awaiting
the
results
of
that
consultation.
L
That
doesn't
mean
we
don't
have
off-the-record
conversations
with
defra
where
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do.
We
have
a
good
relationship
with
them
in
terms
of
the
particular
contract
around
the
the
earlier
roof,
and
that's
a
really
our
way
in
there.
We
do
have
an
arrangement
where
we
talk
to
an
intermediary
through
defra,
so
we
are
having
those
conversations
and
looking
at
where,
where
they
think
things
are
going,
but
that's
that's
really
as
much
we
can
do
in
terms
of
our
conversations
with
defra.
L
We
await
the
detail
of
how
the
food
the
funding
for
food
will
come
through,
but
also
critically
we're
waiting
for
some
of
the
detail
around.
What's
called
tape
arrangements.
So
so
that's
where
councils
are
allowed
to
vary
a
little
bit
from
what
legislation
is
dictating,
they
should
do
to
where
it's
technically
environmentally
economically
practical.
L
That's
one
option
as
well
as
obviously
collecting
food
separately.
So
we
need
to
know
from
government
what
they're
likely
to
allow
us
to
do
to
vary
from
their
actual
requirement
is
to
collect
food
separately.
The
indications
are
that
they'll
allow
councils
to
do
that
with
a
an
approved
heap
case,
but
probably
still
require
councils
to
collect
the
food.
L
The
waste
weekly,
whereas
at
the
moment
we
collected
it
fortnightly
so
we're
just
waiting
for
the
detail
on
that
and
and
again
I
just
point
to
the
introduction
I
made
around
some
of
the
composition,
analysis,
work
and
the
carbon
impacts
assessment,
work,
we're
doing
impact
work,
we're
doing,
which
is,
let's
say
reasonably
ahead
of
the
game.
B
I
think
that's
useful
thanks
I'll
come
back
to
you
in
one
second
time,
just
just
add
into
that.
Obviously
we
heard
in
our
evidence
some
interesting
points
around
around
how
food
waste
is
sometimes
useful
in
leeds
to
us,
because
we
have
had
the
pilot,
the
food
waste
collection.
We
obviously
don't
know
what's
coming
forward.
B
We've
got
that
company
composition
analysis
going
to
work
out
exactly
how
much
food's
in
there,
but
with
having
the
ref
incinerator
working
along
there
was
that
need
to
balance
the
temperature
at
that
at
all
times
and
make
sure
you
had
the
correct
mix
of
materials
in
there.
So
I
think
it's
going
to
impact
us
moving
food
from
one
to
the
other.
That's
something
we
need
to
be
aware
of
how
that
happens.
B
Given
you
said
that
composition,
analysis
work,
you
didn't
think
it
was
happening
nationally,
I'll
bring
sam.
In
with
this
question.
At
the
same
point,
I
wonder
if
you
can
highlight
whether
we're
feeding
that
information
back,
because
obviously
it's
key
to
make
sure
that
what
comes
from
government
takes
into
account
any
of
the
evidence
that
we've
managed
to
get
as
a
city.
If
that's
work
that
will
come
in
I'll
come
back
to
sam
to
pull
up
on
his
point,
but
if
you
could
pick
up
on
that
one
at
the
same
time,
that'd
be
appreciated.
K
K
It's
understandable
that
we're
awaiting
information
from
government,
but
I
really
want
to
know
in
terms
of
the
lobbying
that's
taking
place,
to
make
sure
that
we
can
prepare
the
way
so
that
we
can
crack
on
and
actually
get
on
with
the
food
waste
collections
as
soon
as
possible,
because,
as
we've
just
had
in
our
last
discussion,
lease
2023,
the
end
of
2023
is
only
18
months
away
and
as
a
result,
it
means
that
we
need
to
certainly
be
prepared
to
tackle
that
sort
of
major
change
potentially
in
our
city,
and
I
just
wondered
if
there's
any
further
meat
on
the
bone
that
you
can
give
in
terms
of
lobbying
government
be
at
the
highest
level,
political
or
civil
service,
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
we
can
understand
as
much
as
possible
and
prepare
the
way
to
help
us
with
our
climate
ambitions.
L
Yeah
absolutely
take
the
point
being
made
like
I
said
we
are
in
discussions
with
defra
directly
behind
the
scenes
in
terms
of
the
links
we
have
in
particular
around
that
they're
interested
in
the
work
that
we've
commissioned
and
we've
said,
we'll
share
that
with
them
with
some
context
and
invited
them
up
to
leeds
to
meet
with
us
in
a
month
or
two's
time,
which
they've
accepted
that
invitation,
so
we're
going
to
make
the
meeting
up
with
them
the
roof
actually
in
a
couple
of
months
time.
L
So
we
are
having
those
discussions
to
reassure
members
around
that.
Perhaps
council
fee
could
add
something
as
well
in
that
yeah.
H
Thanks
john
chair,
as
far
as
I
can
remember,
during
the
course
of
this
inquiry
we
did
mention
and
and
and
I
suspect
we
agreed
on
sending
a
letter
from
the
joint
chairs
of
of
scrutiny
boards
to
to
the
government
to
defra
about,
on
the
very
very
issue,
I'm
happy
to
add
my
signature
and
weight
onto
that.
We
respond
to
all
government
consultations.
H
H
So
you
know
I'm
not
really
sure
what
more
we
can
do,
as
I
mean
other
than
obviously
I'll,
be
quite
happy
to
see
that
you
know
that
the
joint
letter
from
the
scooping
chairs
to
to
to
to
go
to
government
I'm
not
sure
where
we
are
with
that,
but
I
suspect
that
that's
something
we
agreed
in
the
in
the
process.
H
B
Thanks,
that's
useful
and,
and
my
point
around
there
were
obviously
that
two-way,
because,
yes,
what
I
guess
my
aim
is
that
we
ensure
what
comes
back
from
government
suits,
leads
and
and
it
it
sounds
like
we're
working
on
making
sure
that's
the
case
as
well,
because,
obviously
it's
our
evidence
it'll
be
useful.
Rob
you
just
want
to
comment
on
that
letter
and
then.
A
Yes,
thanks,
chair
yeah,
yeah,
counselor
figure
correct.
Yes,
that
letter
has
been
drafted.
It's
been
led
by
my
colleague
becky,
but
if
we
can
add
your
signature
to,
we
certainly
will
I
I
think,
I'm
going
from
memory
that
it
has
been
issued.
Unfortunately,
but
the
letter
has
been
drafted,
as
you
say,
yeah.
L
Sorry,
I
just
because
you
perhaps
should
have
mentioned
as
well
in
the
response
to
council.
First
questions
just
to
be
again
to
reassure
members.
We
are.
We
are
looking
at
the
moment
on
options.
It's
not
that
we're
sitting
on
our
hands
waiting
for
government
in
that
respect.
So
we
are
looking
at
speaking
to
the
the
private
sector,
the
the
deliveries
of
large
amount
of
what
would
be
required
in
terms
of
the
aeds
and
and
such
facilities
and
collections.
L
So
we
are
looking
at
the
discussions
and
we're
looking
at
soft
marketing
exercise
at
the
moment
to
open
that
up
to
the
market
to
test
the
market
around.
What
is
there,
and
so
we
will
be
looking
at
that
and
when
we
get
the
results,
that
back
looking
whether
we
can
do
something
within
leeds,
hopefully
starting
this
year.
That
starts
to
at
least
look
at
the
logistical
side
of
what
what's
the
options
in
leeds,
so,
whether
that
be
some
form
of
co-mingling
pilots
or
looking
at
a
separate
food
collection
and
also
potentially
around
glass.
L
We
need
to
be
sure
about
that,
both
in
terms
of
that
there's
a
market
there
that
can
handle
the
waste
that
we
collect
and
process
it
with
their
time
skills.
Would
we
we'd
want
to,
but
but
also
to
make
sure
that
we're
actually
doing
the
right
thing
in
terms
of
the
the
type
of
trial
that
we're
trying
to
take
forward
and
we're
just
basically
going
down
the
wrong
road.
If
that's
what
the
evidence
is
going
to
tell
us.
So
we
are.
L
That
is
a
an
ambition
this
year
to
do
that,
to
look
at
beginning
to
to
roll
out
some
form
of
food
collection
in
leeds,
but
the
scale
and
the
type
of
method
we
use.
As
I
say
at
the
moment,
we're
looking
to
the
market
to
help
us
with
that
in
terms
of
what's
possible.
K
Thank
you
chairman.
No
thank
you
for
those
answers
again.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
what
I
said
last
week
in
full
council,
which
is
that
I
think
that
the
council
should
take
some
more
leadership
on
this.
I
think
the
biggest
problem
we
have
is
that
I
understand
that
we
are
constrained
by
what
government
is
telling
us.
K
Or
it's
going
to
be
that
in
terms
of
what
the
administration
would
say,
but
also
more
generally
in
terms
of
otherwise
we
haven't
received
a
response.
We
are
certainly
wanting
to
make
sure
we
are
in
a
position
to
take
some
leadership,
and
I
would
appreciate
if
you
could
provide
more
meat
on
the
bone
about
what
that's
actually
happening,
to
ensure
that
we
can
do
that
in
terms
of
actually
ensuring
that
we
deliver
for
our
residents.
Thank
you,
chair.
B
Thanks
I'll
I'll
bring
council
rafiki
in
one
second,
we
did
hear
obviously
that
we'd
invited
the
government
up
and
I'm
sure
councilor
rafik
will
be
I'll,
be
meeting
them
and
discussing
with
them
those
issues
around
that
that
was
one
of
the
points
we
heard
in
this.
That
was
clear
council
for
free.
Do
you
want
to
come
in
on
that.
H
Yeah
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
get
to
sort
of
kind
of
yeah,
we'll
want
to
add
just.
B
H
So
without
much
without
repeating
somebody
without
repeating
some
of
the
stuff
said
at
council
last
week,
I
think
we
are,
as
a
council,
doing
everything
to
to
to
nurse
the
government,
but
if
council
effert
has
any
direct
route
into
government,
I'm
happy
to
talk
to
him
and
see
how
we
can
jointly
lobby
the
government
on
this.
U
so
we
can
move
forward.
I
have
no
issues
with
that.
H
Okay,
as
far
as
john's
already
outlined
that
we're
not
sitting
on
our
laurels
we've,
we
do
well
in
really
well
in
some
of
the
areas
when
it
comes
to
recycling.
For
instance,
we
got
the
largest
garden
race
collection
in
the
country.
H
Many
many
cities,
many
towns
actually
majority-
actually
charge,
for
they
have
a
much
much
less
than
us,
including
in
our
our
regional
neighbors,
and
I
do
accept
that
there
are
some
other
terms
and
cities
which
have
maybe
some
other
form
of
curbside
like,
for
instance,
glass
collections,
but
we
do
have
one
of
the
largest
glass
banks,
700
glass,
bunks
across
the
city
which
we
do
collect.
H
So
I
think
the
composite
composite
compositional
study,
which
john
referred
to,
will
actually
tell
us
how
many,
for
instance,
you
know
glass
bottles,
go
into
black
bean
and
all
that,
so
that
will
give
us
some
one
of
the
things
we
did
before
the
pandemic.
Was
we
had
a
cross-party
waste
strategy
advisory
board,
which
we
you
know
hopefully
will
be
resuming
again
now
that
we
are
coming.
H
You
know
coming
out
of
the
pandemic
in
much
in
a
better
position
to
do
that,
so
we'll
we'll
be
doing
stuff
jointly,
but
also
we
are
doing
some
work
at
the
moment,
see
how
we
could
do
as
a
city
or
what
we
can
move
forward
on
a
basis
of
a
trialling.
J
Thanks
chair,
I'm
just
going
to
ask
in
the
feedback
of
the
information
we've
given
to
the
government.
Have
we
used
the
evidence
we
got
from
the
trial
in
rothwell
on
the
food
waste?
J
J
So
whilst
they
didn't
want
it
when
it
started,
they
certainly
don't
want
to
lose
it
now.
So
I
think
I
think
residence
views
should
be
considered
as
well
in
all
of
this,
and
just
one
other
comment
on
the
glass
into
the
black
bins.
I
guess
it
depends
when
you
do
your
analysis
on
that.
I
don't
put
glass
into
my
back
blackberry
and
I
start
it
up,
and
I
take
it
off
to
the
recycling
points
whenever
I
can,
but
that
could
be
distorted
people
would
not.
Everybody
can
get.
J
L
Yeah,
if
I
can
just
pick
up
on
the
composition,
analysis
point
and
again,
I
understand
the
point
being
made
and
the
reassurances
that
would
be
needed
around
that
that
that
that
work
isn't
taken.
As
I
said
by
a
third
party,
it's
not
taken
by
the
council
commissioned
and
procured
through
them
is
a
company
that
we
used
several
years
ago
to
do
a
similar
analysis.
Well,
the
same
analysis
and
the
methodology
of
the
use
is
naturally
recognized
methodology
and
stands
up
to
scrutiny
in
terms
of
statistical
soundness.
L
So
without
going
into
boring
details
of
it
in
terms
of
making
sure
they
pick
streets
from
across
the
city
that
are
representative
of
the
communities
and
the
types
of
areas
that
we
collect
waste
from,
and
it's
a
sufficient
quantity
to
be
statistically
sound
and
it's
it's
was
done
over
two
weeks.
So
in
terms
of
the
statistical
soundness
of
information,
we
get
it's
a
nationally
recognized
formula
and
it's
a
company
that
is
used
nationally.
L
B
I
You
chair
and
it's
just
a
really
quick
question
really
and
an
observation.
It's
at
the
earth,
the
recycling,
energy
and
recovery
facility.
Is
there
any
plans
to
up
the
recycling
rate
because
it
was
negotiated
down.
Wasn't
it
from
10
to
2,
and
I
just
wondered
if
there
were
any
plans
to
up
that
back
up
to
10
and
my
other
question
is
as
much
talk
about
glass,
recycling
and
food,
but
I
think
textiles
and
perhaps
not
a
an
extra
bin,
but
just
a
suggestion.
L
Thanks
councillor
burke
yeah
in
terms
of
the,
I
think
we
covered
it
before
the
reasons
for
the
negotiation
of
the
recycling
percentage,
with
with
violi
around
what's
personal
earth
and
the
reasons
for
that,
and
while
those
reasons
still
stand,
it's
difficult
to
imagine
that
would
the
recycling
rate
could
go
up,
but
in
terms
of
our
agreement
with
them,
it
was
a
it
wasn't,
a
permanent
arrangement.
So
it's
something
we
will
be
reviewing
in
due
course
in
terms
of
has
the
markets
changed?
L
Has
the
material
changes
in
the
black
bins
that
would
allow
them
to
extract
more
and
find
markets
for
those.
As
I
say,
the
viola
came
to
this
meeting
and
talked
about
the
change
in
the
markets
and
china,
for
example,
but
also
the
types
of
materials
in
the
black
bin
end
up
not
being
reusable
and
recyclable,
so
they
can't
find
markets
for
them.
It's
difficult
to
envisage
that
improving,
because
if
anything,
probably
what
should
be
happening
is
more
of
the
stuff.
L
We
want
less
good
stuff
to
be
in
the
black
bin
in
the
first
place
and
that's
the
way
around
what
we
want
to
do:
try
and
extract
the
stuff
from
being
in
batman
in
the
first
place,
so
better
promotion
of
the
green
bin,
but
in
a
targeted
way
that
gets
the
materials
that
we
should
be
chasing
or
but
also
looking
at
food
and
glass
like
we
say
so,
that's
the
preferred
way
around
things,
but
it
isn't
a
permanent
arrangement
and
it's
something
contractually
we
will
review
and
then
the
point
about
textiles
again
is
an
excellent
one.
L
But
again,
it's
as
you
say,
the
practicalities
of
how
we
do
that,
and
I
would
envisage
us
looking
at
the
textiles
in
particular,
something
we
should
have
a
greater
focus
on
potentially
perhaps
perhaps
working
the
third
sector
around
that
better
but
yeah.
Absolutely
it's
a
it's
a
good
example
of
where
it
doesn't
get.
The
light
isn't
shown
on
that
in
terms
of
collections,
but
it
is
it.
May
it
is
one
of
the
things
that's
a
massive
influence
on
on
climate
change.
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
I
don't
see
any
more
questions
from
the
board
on
this,
so
I'll
just
see
come
to
a
freak
did.
Is
there
any
closing
remarks
you
wanted
to
make.
H
No
chair,
I
mean
I
think
we
are
at
at
a
a
critical
juncture.
As
we
come
out
of
the
pandemic.
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
the
pipeline
which
we
want
to
do
which
we
want
to
share
with
and
come
to
scrutiny
have
scrutiny's
input
as
well.
Both
I
mentioned
by
the
ways
advisory
board
johnson
mentioned
the
com,
compositional
analysis,
but
also
we've
got
some
initiatives,
ideas
which
we
want
to
obviously
explore.
Further
communities
is
one
of
them,
but
again
it's
something.
H
It's
not
you
know
clear-cut.
You
know
we're
looking
for
that
feedback
from
from
governments.
If
that's
okay
and
it's
something
I
think
if,
if
we
get
the
go-ahead
and
then
we're,
you
know
quite
keen
to
kind
of
trial
that
as
we
move
forward
but
yeah
I'll
stop
there.
B
Thank
you,
yeah
and
we're
obviously
part
way
through
the
scrutiny
boards
inquiry
so
there'll
be
a
recommendation
to
the
successor
board
that
they
carry
on
with
this
work,
and
I've
got
a
number
of
points
that
I'll
I'll
bring
up
as
we
get
on
to
that
item,
but
yeah.
Thank
you
both
for
coming
in
and
answering
those
questions
we'll
go
on
to
our
next
item,
which
is
social
value,
implementation
and
the
progress
on
that.
So
we'll
just
have
a
couple
of
minutes.
While
people
shift
around.
B
Okay,
so
this
is
an
update
to
the
scrutiny
board
on
the
the
progress
towards
social
value
in
procurement.
That's
something
we've
been
key
on,
so
we'll
we're
focusing
really
on
just
some
of
that
progress.
That's
happened
since
this
board's
looked
at
it
and
during
my
members
the
key
thing
we're
looking
at
today
is
what
things
we
want
might
want
to
recommend
to
the
successor
board
that
they
may
look
into.
So.
B
On
that
point
I
don't
know
rob
if
there's
anything,
you
need
to
add
on
this
one,
no
I'll
I'll
pass
over
to
to
the
people.
Who've
come
to
talk
about
this
report
and
ask
if
they
they
can
introduce
themselves
first
and
then
we'll
hear.
If
there's
any
points
you
want
to
pull
out
of.
The
report
then
feel
free
to
do
so,
but
as
counselor
scopes
would
say,
if
you
were
here,
please
do
take
it
as
read
that
members
have
read
the
report
and
just
pull
out
any
significant
facts.
N
Hi
deborah
cooper
executive
board,
member
for
resources
and
community
safety,
and
just
basically
here
at
scrutiny
today
to
to
put
the
options
before
you
and
take
your
views
and
thoughts
on
on
what
you've
already
read.
Thanks.
O
Hi,
I'm
kieran
dana
head
of
procurement,
commercial
services,
so
I'll
take
you
through
the
report.
O
If
that's
okay,
so
just
appreciate
that
I
think
you
know,
we
brought
two
reports
previously
with
regard
to
social
value
in
each
of
the
last
couple
of
years,
so
I
suspect
that
many
of
you
will
be
familiar
with
with
the
progress
that
we've
been
made,
but
in
terms
of
social
value,
what
we're
talking
about
is
economic,
social
and
environmental
well-being
being
delivered
from
our
contracts,
that
is
above
and
beyond
the
actual
core
services
or
goods
or
works
that
we're
procuring
and
we've
had
some
success
over
the
last
few
years.
O
With
regard
to
delivering
social
value,
we've
got
some
examples,
paragraph
five
of
the
kind
of
additional
value
that
we've
delivered
so
in
terms
of
job
creation,
work,
experience,
sustainable
sustainability
measures
such
as
recycling
and
reusing
waste.
That's
been
developed,
that's
arisen
from
construction
projects
and
what
we've
been
able
to
do
is
report
on
spend
with
the
local
suppliers
and
smes
in
leeds
from
from
our
external
procurements
and
and
currently
for
that
for
the
last
year.
O
That's
just
short
of
66
percent
of
our
total
spend
is
with
local
businesses
or
smes,
and
that's
increased
in
each
of
the
last
five
years.
But
what
I
think
we've
struggled
to
do
previously
is
to
be
able
to
we've
got
so
many
contracts
that
the
council's
entered
into.
You
know
several
thousand,
so
what
we
struggle
to
do
is
to
monitor
and
report
on
social
value
across
the
the
whole
across
the
whole
piece
with
regard
to
all
our
contracts.
O
So
what
we
did
and
what
we
reported
on
last
time
around-
is
that
we've
developed
guidance
for
commissioners
to
try
and
help
them
include
social
value
in
their
contracts.
But
what
we
also
did
was
enter
into
an
arrangement
with
social
value
portal,
which
is
a
an
external
company,
and
they
help
us
to
a
get
social
value
into
our
contracts
in
the
first
place,
but
also
then,
to
evaluate
the
social
value
commitments
that
are
made
by
bidders
to
record
the
social
value
actually
delivered.
O
O
So
that's
sort
of
looking
back
in
terms
of
what
we've
achieved
over
the
last
12
months,
or
so
we
asked
the
local
government
association
to
come
and
do
a
review
of
our
procurement
activity
in
leads,
and
one
of
the
things
they
focused
on
was
social
value,
so
they
encouraged
for
us
to
increase
our
social
value,
ambition
to
try
and
put
in
place
measures
to
further
embed
social
value
into
our
procurements
and
also
deliver
social
value
commitments,
and
I
think
what,
hopefully
you
can
see
it.
O
Paragraph
nine
is
that
that
combination
of
the
sort
of
encouragement
and
the
recommendations
from
the
lga
and
having
that
arrangement
in
place
with
social
value
portal
means
that
we
can
now
report
on
social
value
commitments
across
a
wide
range
of
contracts.
We
can
we
can
actually
report
on
that.
So,
at
paragraph
nine,
what
you
can
see
is
that
we've
got
currently
got
40
projects,
40
contracts
that
are
have
used
the
social
value
portal,
there's
just
over
21.5
million
pounds
of
social
value.
So
that's
above
and
beyond.
O
O
What
I
would
note
is
that,
in
terms
of
the
social
value,
that's
actually
delivered
currently
the
figures
210
000,
which
is
obviously
a
very
small
proportion,
but
the
reason
for
that
is
that
there's
a
reporting
like,
so
we
only
get
reporting
quarterly.
The
next
report
comes
in
a
couple
of
days,
so
this
is
a.
This
is
a
figure
from
back
in
december
and
in
terms
of
those
social
value
commitments,
we
we
pretty
much
doubled
the
social
value
commitments
from
november
to
december.
O
We
got
over
another
10
and
a
half
million
pounds
of
commitment,
so
we
we
don't
have
reporting
at
all
in
terms
of
delivery
of
the
the
majority
of
the
social
value
commitments
that
have
been
made,
and
then
I
think
the
final
point
to
make
is
that
social
value
is
going
to
be
delivered
over
the
life
of
the
contract,
so
that
210
000
figure
will
will
naturally
sort
of
track
over
the
life
of
the
contract
and
increase
just
a
couple
of
other
points.
O
If
it's
okay,
just
to
flag
up
in
terms
of
what
we've
been
doing
over
the
last
12
months,
to
coincide
with
the
guidance
for
commissioners,
we've
been
providing
social
value
training
for
commissioners
across
the
council,
we've
rolled
that
out
to
150
over
150
officers
in
the
council
and
and
to
again
sort
of
dovetail
with
that.
O
We've
been
providing
regular
meetings
with
commissioners
to
to
understand
what
procurements
are
in
the
pipeline
and
and
how
we
can
help
them
include
social
value
in
those
and
then
I
think
the
final
point
to
to
note
is
with
regard
to
the
strategic
equality
improvement
priorities
of
the
council
as
well.
O
We've
identified
some
specific
themes,
outcomes
and
measures.
That's
what
that's!
What
toms
refers
to
so
specific
areas
of
social
value
that
we
really
want
to
focus
on
as
part
of
that
strategic
equality
and
improvement
priorities,
so
that
includes
a
percentage
of
women
hiring
in
relation
to
a
particular
contract
percentage
of
employees
from
bam,
employees,
lgbtq,
plus
employees
and
also
disabled
employees.
O
So
that's
really
what
we're
trying
to
focus
on-
and
you
can
see
in
terms
of
those
two
to
two
graphs
what's
coming
through
in
in
your
in
terms
of
the
majority
of
the
social
value
commitments
is
in
relation
to
employees
that
are
being
hired
on
the
contract.
So
I
think
that's
having
quite
a
positive,
a
positive
impact
so
that
those
are
the
only
things
I
wanted
to
sort
of
really
draw
your
attention
to.
But
if
there's
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer.
B
I'm
not
seeing
any
questions
from
the
floor
at
the
moment,
so
I'll
wade
in
with
my
couple,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
take
that
point
at
the
moment.
What
we're
seeing
is
early
figures
from
at
all.
So
am
I
right
in
thinking
that
looking
into
the
detail
of
these
graphs
is
probably
not
what
we
should
be
doing
in
terms
of
the
the
numbers
for
each
contract,
because
we
probably
don't
have
a
a
representative
spread
here,
would
would
that
be
correct?
First
I'll,
ask
that.
O
So
we
started
using
social
value
portal,
probably
around
about
this
time
last
year,
and
it
took
you
know:
procurement
activity
typically
takes
about
six
months,
perhaps
sometimes
a
bit
longer
to
to
to
get
your
contracts
awarded.
O
So
really
it
was
september
time
before
the
first
contract
started
to
to
appear
on
social
value
portal
and,
as
I
say,
there
was
a
there
was
a
sort
of
a
a
large
number
that
came
from
november
december
time.
So
really,
I
think
this
sort
of
this
financial
year
is
about
kind
of
setting
a
baseline
and
then
next
year
we'll
be
able
to
to
monitor
how
things
have
progressed,
and
certainly
in
terms
of
that
that
sort
of
210
000
figure
with
regard
to
what's
been
delivered.
O
Naturally,
when
the
reporting
comes
through
in
a
couple
of
days
time,
it's
going
to
be
significantly
greater
than
that,
but
what
the
social
value
portal
does
is
it
allows
us
to
have
that
awareness
of
what
is
actually
being
delivered
so
that
if,
if
there
are
commitments
made
that
the
suppliers
then
aren't
following
through
on,
we
can
manage
that
and
we
can
chase
that
up
and
typically
what
we
do
in
those
circumstances,
if
it
turns
out
that
they're
not
able
to
deliver
on
their
commitments,
we'd
either
be
looking
to
see
what
other
commitments
they
could
provide
that
were
deliverable
or
we've
also
built
in
a
mechanism
that
allows
us
to
reduce
the
payments
accordingly,
if
they
haven't
actually
delivered
what
they're
proposing
to
deliver.
B
That's
useful,
thank
you
because
I
think
that
that
sets
us
off
that
we're
on
the
beginning
of
this
journey.
Then,
should
we
say-
and
I
think
really
I'm
not
seeing
any
other
questions
that
people
want
to
raise
jim
yeah
I'll,
come
in
with
you
and
then
I'll
I'll
come
in.
A
B
Thank
you.
Well,
I
think
that's
a
useful
one,
because
what
we're
working
out
in
this
board
is
what
to
pass
over.
Certainly
this
shows
that
there's
a
lot
of
value
we
can.
We
can
get
in
looking
at
these
reports
and
then
seeing
the
balance
between
the
different
themes,
outcomes
and
measures.
You've
got
I'll
make
my
one
slightly
picky
point
just
to
check
up
and
if
you
can
look
at
because
we've
obviously
got
the
one
on
low
or
no
emissions
vehicles.
B
So
it
was
an
interesting
one,
because
we
know
in
the
transport
strategy
shifting
just
everything
to
a
low
emissions
vehicle
will
not
get
us
to
where
we
want
to
be
in
terms
of
carbon
benefit
and
in
terms
of
those
angles.
B
So
I
just
wondered
whether
anyone
can
comment
on
whether
whether
there's
one
of
reducing
the
amount
of
mileage
needed
to
travel
as
well,
which
is
obviously
a
strategy
we
have
as
the
council,
but
I
think
it'll
be
useful,
then,
for
us
to
see
the
balance
of
these
measures
that
are
coming
out
and
which
ones
we
are
getting
the
delivery
on,
as
well
as
monitoring
which
ones
are
actually
delivered.
I'll
bring
in
councillor
firth
and
then
you'll
be
able
to
catch
both
those
points
together.
K
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and,
and
I
certainly
appreciate
the
update
that
was
provided
in
this
report
further
to
what
obviously
was
discussed
at
the
previous
time.
It
came
to
this
board
and
I
think
it's
certainly
valuable
to
be
discussing
about
rather
than
asking
what
social
value
could
be
brought
to
the
table,
it's
actually
asking
what
do
we
as
a
city
want
to
see
happening
and
being
able
to
forge
that
future
as
a
council
going
forward,
and
so
that's
certainly
welcome,
and
thank
you
for
that.
O
Yeah
so
in
terms
of
analyzing,
what's
what's
delivered
each
so
each
of
the
projects
that
we're
talking
about
here,
there's
40
different
contracts
to
date,
but,
as
I
say,
it
applies
to
all
contracts
above
100
000
pounds
that
the
council
enters
into
the
commitments
are
recorded
on
the
social
value
portal
and
as
part
of
their
job.
They
monitor
on
the
council's
behalf.
O
O
We
would
once
that's
been
reported
to
us.
We
would
pick
up
the
baton
and,
as
part
of
our
normal
contract
management
processes,
we'd
be
contacting
the
supplier
to
to
understand
why
it's
not
being
delivered
if
it
transpires
that
commitments
have
been
made
that
they
are
unable
to
deliver.
What
the
contract
anticipates
is
that
in
the
first
instance,
we'll
give
them
an
opportunity
to
to
do
something
else,
but
something
else
that
is
that
is
acceptable
to
us.
O
If
they
can't
do
that,
then
what
we've
got
built
into
the
contracts
is
a
mechanism
that
we
can
make
financial
deductions.
So
we
can
sort
of
gather
the
cash
and
do
something
ourselves
that
would
be
beneficial
from
a
social
value
perspective.
So
that's
that's
the
process
we
we
haven't
actually
got
there.
Yet
we've
not
had
to
enforce
that
yet,
but
that's
the
process
that
we
would
go
through.
K
K
How
much
is
is
leads
leading
the
way
on
this,
or
is
it
something
that
a
lot
of
councils
and
local
authorities
are
taking
up
and
also
more
generally?
Obviously
we
can
do
a
lot
as
a
council,
but
what
sort
of
engagement
we're
having
with
other
public
sector
and
other
organizations
across
leeds
to
see
potentially
how
we
can
show
that
we're
leading
the
way
and
help
them
to
deliver
that
as
well.
K
O
Yeah
there's
some
local
authorities
that
I
would
say
are
ahead
of
where
we
are,
and
certainly
government's
position
with
regard
to
say,
for
example,
evaluating
social
value.
They
typically
require
with
like
say
with
regards
to
central
government
contracts,
a
20
evaluation,
whereas
our
starting
point
is
that
10
percent
of
the
evaluation
should
go
through
towards
social
value,
and
one
of
the
feedbacks
from
the
local
government
association
is
that
you
know
there
might
be
opportunities
for
for
leads
to
increase
its
ambition
with
regard
to
social
value.
O
I
think
where
we
are
at
the
moment
is
that
we
want
to
see
see
how
things
go
with
regard
to
these
initial
contracts
that
this
is
going
through
and
then
take
it.
So
one
step
at
a
time
with
regard
to
whether
or
not
we
can
increase
things
but
in
terms
of
working
with
other
authorities
in
in
the
region.
We
take
that
there's
a
regional
procurement
group
that
that
includes
all
the
authorities
across
yorkshire
and
humber
and
there's
a
a
subgroup
within
that
group.
O
So
we
take
the
lead
on
social
value
in
terms
of
chairing
that
and
and
pushing
that
there's
a
lot
going
on
at
the
moment
with
regard
to
anchors
and
anchor
organizations
in
leeds
and
and
really
trying
to
drive
that-
and
I
think
we've
done
quite
a
bit
of
training
with
lee's
teaching
hospitals
about
the
opportunities
for
social
value.
So
it's
certainly
something
that
you
know
we,
I
think,
are
very
keen
to
to
be
taking
the
lead
on.
M
Yeah,
I
I
think
actually
one
thing
to
get
across
is
we
should
just
mention
in
the
report.
There's
we,
we
aren't
starting
from
scratch
and
over
many
years
actually
and
lot
of
our
big
procurements
have
actually
involved
social
value
and
being
tied
to
job
creation
and
training,
and
you
know,
requirements
around
equality
and
sustainability
and
so
forth.
What
we've
often
failed
to
do
is
systematically
capture
that
and
and
actually
regarding
your
last,
but
also
follow
through
on
it.
M
If
actually,
if
things
aren't
working-
and
I
think
this
tool
does
sort
of
take
us
in
a
in
a
much
more
positive
direction
on
that-
and
you
know
we-
we
acknowledged
the
need
to
have
some
improvement
in
what
we
brought
to
executive
board
and
also
inviting
the
lga
in
to
actually
give
us
a
view
on
what
best
practice
would
look
like
as
well
so
we're
following
through
on
that.
We
do
think
there
is
actually
a
great
opportunity
in
the
city
to
do
more
with
the
other
big
institutions.
M
So
it's
just
mentioned
that
there's
something
called
the
anchor
institutions
which
is
the
biggest
sort
of
public
sector,
employers,
health,
universities
and
so
forth,
and
the
procurement
group
within
that
is
a
really
active
part
of
that.
So
it's
really
how
we
can
maximize
all
our
procurements
across
the
the
hall
of
the
city,
particularly
aimed
to
think
actually
how
we
stimulate
local
jobs
and
local
training,
give
kind
of
greater
confidence
that
actually,
educational
institutions
themselves
can
lay
on
the
training
courses
because
they
know
there's
a
pipeline
of
work
kind
of
coming
through.
M
So
if
you
take
an
issue
like
sustainability
and
the
need
for
some
decarbonisation
across
this,
the
whole
of
the
public
estate
over
the
next
10
years,
10
years,
there'll
be
literally
billions
of
pounds
going
into
that,
and
we
can
capture
that
and
make
sure
that
the
jobs
and
the
training
which
is
needed
to
actually
deliver
that
is
also
built
into
the
part
of
the
plan.
So
there's
a
very
active
discussions,
really
practical
discussions
taking
place
between
those
organizations.
N
Thanks
peter
yeah,
and
just
to
add
to
what
what
neil
and
kieran
have
said
as
well,
there's
been
some
other
work.
That's
been
carried
out
with
the
third
sector
organizations,
which
is
a
huge
part
of
procurement
as
well,
and
they
came
forward
a
number
of
years
ago,
two
or
three
years
ago
now,
with
a
social
value
charter
that
we
committed
to
as
a
elite
city
council
and
also
the
anchor
institutions
that
neil
talked
about
as
well.
N
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
ongoing
on
this
agenda
of
social
value
for
a
number
of
years,
but
this
is
about
how
do
we
now
put
it
within
a
framework
and
and
I'll
analyze?
N
What
it
is
that
we're
actually
doing
with
that
social
value,
as
has
been
said
in
various
categories,
and
how
we
might
start
to
channel
some
of
that
work
through
this
social
value
agenda
chair.
Thank
you.
I
I
I
just
wondered:
firstly,
is
there
a
plan
to
make
it
mandatory
so
to
contract,
with
those
you've,
got
to
be
able
to
do
x,
y
and
z
and
prove
which
kind
of
gets
rid
of
yeah
there's,
perhaps
some
more
enforcement,
but
it
means
the
contract
as
we
actually
work
with,
are
committed
and
bought
into
it,
because
you
won't
get
your
money,
it's
always
a
great
level
or
isn't
it
and
and
the
other
thing
the
groups
most
of
the
groups
are
the
ones
that
would
be
covered.
Aren't
they
under
the
equalities
act?
I
Does
this
go
up
to
kind
of
broaden
that
out
which
would
obviously
capture
more
data,
more
information,
because,
whilst
they're
very
important,
obviously
I
think
there's
maybe
other
ways
of
looking
at
what
that
social
value
actually
means
for
communities
and
environments,
and
some
of
that's
just
been
more
engaged.
Isn't
it
I've
been
able
to
go
to
your
local
library
or
things
like
that,
so
they
might
fall
outside
of
those
recognized
groups,
but
we
perhaps
that
capturing
everything.
Apologies
if
that's
a
bit!
O
So,
in
terms
of
whether
it's
mandatory
yes,
we
require
social
value
opportunities
to
be
considered
in
all
our
contracts,
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
our
commissioners
within
elite
city
council
are
doing
that.
O
That's
a
bit
more
difficult
because
we've
got
so
many
contracts,
but
but
certainly
that
is
absolutely
what
should
be
happening
in
every
single
contract
and
we
do
have
provisions
you
know
written
into
contracts
with
regard
to
things
like
equalities
and
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
already,
so
that
that
will
that
will
naturally
be
there
in
terms
of
the
you
know
what
we
focus
on
you
know
with
regard
to
what
are
what
are
our
priorities?
O
These
are.
These
are
a
snapshot,
I
think,
there's
about
50
different
toms
in
total,
and
I
can
make
sure
that
those
are
sent
through
if
that's
helpful,
so
you
so
you've
got
those,
but
I
suppose,
picking
up
on
one
of
the
points
that
was
made
earlier
about
whether
we
can
sort
of
move
from
the
you
know
the
requirement
with
regards
to
using
lower
no
emissions
vehicles
to
reducing
mileage.
We
do
keep
the
toms
under
review
and
we
update
them
each
year.
B
Thank
you
councillor
did
you
want
to
come
back
in
and
then
that
we'll
take
that
as
the
last
comment
on
this
and
then,
if
you
want
to
answer
that-
and
I
don't
know
debbie
if
there's
anything,
you
want
to
say
to
sum
us
up
at
the
end.
K
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
I
councillor
flynn
obviously
couldn't
make
this
meeting,
and
so
has
asked
me
to
ask
a
particular
question
that
he
was
feeling
particularly
pertinent,
and
he
sends
on
his
apologies,
obviously
due
to
unfortunate
he's
asking.
K
Is
it
still
viable
in
the
current
climate
of
economic
financial
climate
with
regards
to
social
value
procurement,
because
he
has
no
argument
with
the
aims
of
the
action
which
is
mandatory
on
public
authorities
but
wondering
how
the
additional
features
required
can
be
included
at
no
extra
costs
and
how
this
affects
council
procurement
versus
private
procurement
I.e?
Are
we
negotiating
at
a
disadvantage
in
comparison
with
the
private
sector.
O
The
the
the
strong
feedback
that
we
got
from
the
dlga
peer
review
was
that
social
value
is
deliverable
at
no
extra
cost
and
that
and
that's
the
case
across
the
public
sector
and
hence
they're
you
know
openly
encouraging
us
to
to
you,
know,
to
try
and
do
more
and
to
try
and
drive
more
from
from
our
contracts.
O
In
terms
of,
I
suppose,
it's
a
question
of
of
what's
in
it,
for
the
suppliers
really
is
to
you
know:
how
can
they
do
that?
I
think
you
know
there's
so
much
focus
at
the
moment
on
trying
to
deliver.
You
know
things
holistically
trying
to
to
to
to
from
a
from
an
investor's
perspective,
to
trying
to
to
be
able
to
demonstrate
that
your
investment
is
going
into
a
company
that
does
comply
with
sustainability
requirements
and
does
you
know
have
best
employment
practices
is
really
beneficial.
O
So
so
I
think
there
is
a
lot
in
it
for
suppliers
to
be
able
to
demonstrate
that
they
are
delivering
social
value
and
in
terms
of
the
kind
of
things
that
they
can
do,
I
mean
some
of
them.
Don't
really
they
don't
cost
anything
in
terms
of
of
outlay.
They
cost
something
in
terms
of
somebody
having
to
potentially
give
up
a
bit
of
time,
but
something
like
volunteering
or
providing
work,
experience
or
providing
mentoring
that
that's
not
a
that's.
Not
an
upfront
cost
that
that
would
need
to
be
incurred
by
a
business.
M
I
think
it's
also
a
couple
of
points
I
mean
one:
is
that
so
designed
at
contracts
over
a
hundred
thousand
pounds
so
we're?
You
know
we're
not
talking
small
little
operations
here
and
we
are
looking
at
something
a
bit
more
proportionate
for
to
trying
to
actually
encourage
more
social
value
in
lower
value
contracts,
which
much
would
be
easier
to
to
actually
make
a
contribution
on,
but
we
we
are
very
minded
about
how
it's
proportionate
to
to
to
scale.
So
so
that's
one
point.
M
The
other
side
of
it
is
that,
whilst
there
are
a
number
of
things
in
here
which
are
absolute
legal
obligations,
which
we're
kind
of
monitoring,
if
people
go
up
over
and
above
that,
it's
not
any,
that's
not
the
only
thing
that
they're
evaluated
on
in
the
contract.
So
if
something
were
to
be
extremely
expensive,
then
this
this
is
more
of
a.
It
was
about
10
in
an
evaluation.
M
If
something
was
crazily
more
expensive
because
they
were
offering
great
social
value
compared
to
somebody
else
who
was
offering
much
better
value
for
money,
then
it
would
still
be
the
better
value
for
money
thing
which
would
would
hold
out.
So
long
as
those
people
complied
with
legal
obligations,
obviously.
N
Just
to
say
thank
you
to
scrutiny
for
your
comments
on
this,
and,
and
I
do
think
that
this
is
something
as
it
evolves
and
moves
along
over
the
next
year.
That
scrutiny
would
probably
be
interested
in
to
see
you
know
how
things
are
going,
the
analysis
of
it
and
looking
at
the
toms
and
seeing
you
know
what
scrutiny
think
about
the
criteria,
that's
important
for
social
value
as
well.
So
I
would
imagine
that
this
won't
be
the
last
time
we're
discussing
it
at
this
point.
B
B
I
see
that
the
procurement
side
is
sort
of
the
long
hand
of
the
council
policies
and
it's
how
we
ensure
that
the
those
contracts
that
we
do
offer
outside
of
the
council
still
have
a
bearing,
as
we
would
expect
our
own
council
officers
to
work
so
they're,
considering
the
climate
impact
they're,
considering
the
the
the
well
obviously
the
terms
and
conditions
that
our
staff
haven't
and
etcetera
and
that
we're
providing
that,
hopefully
outside
the
council
as
well
as
internally.
B
So
that's
why
we
have
a
a
really
good
focus
on
that
as
the
board.
So
I
think,
thanks
to
all
for
coming,
we've
got
our
last
item
now,
which
is
around
the
work
program,
and
what
we're
focusing
on
really
you've
got
in
there
was
there
anything
you
wanted
to
say
an
introduction
to
this
robot.
B
What
we've
got
in
this
is
suggested
dates
for
next
year
for
for
any
of
us
that
may
be
on
the
the
board
next
year,
but
really
it's
a
proposal.
The
work
program,
obviously
that
we've
got
in
there,
has
had
little
or
no
changes
due
to
the
fact
it's
just
showing
the
work
we
have
so
far
done,
but
we're
on
to
ideas
of
of
what
to
take
forward
for
next
year.
B
So
I've
noted
a
few
down
that
I'll
come
on
to
from
the
discussions
today,
but
I'll
come
up
sam
yeah
did
you
want
to
bring
one
of
those
thank.
K
You
chair,
one
particular
item,
I
think,
is
particularly
personal.
I
think
there's
going
to
be
the
2023
polling
district
review
potentially
so
I
think
an
elections
item
certainly
going
forward
would
be
helpful
simply
as
we
also
reflect
on
the
results
of
this
election
in
terms
of
a
probably
higher,
even
potentially
a
postal
vote
than
than
last
year.
The
council
flinders,
which
suggested
a
number
of
items.
First
of
all,
that
is
us.
When
will
financial
health
monitoring,
obviously
be
next
on
the
agenda?
K
Obviously
a
continuing
item,
understandably,
as
we've
covered
a
number
of
years,
and
also
more
generally,
can
we
continue
to
scrutinize,
hybrid,
agile,
working
in
conjunction
with
it
systems
and
support,
and
the
effect
on,
unfortunately
can't
understand
nw
of
w
on
service
to
the
public.
But
I
will
clarify
with
that
chair
what
that
means
and
come
back
to
you
in
the
second
thing.
K
B
You
I'm
trying
to
get
the
the
acronym
normal
way
of
working
is
that
is
that,
right
there
we
go
I'm
getting
there.
B
With
no
word
of
what
we
offer
services
with
no
word
of
warning
to
the
general
public
they're
useful,
thank
you
and
I
think
those
points
we've
noted,
I'm
sure
the
the
future
ways
of
working
is
that
is
that
intended
on
carrying
on
rob,
if
you
could
carefully
on
that
point,.
A
Members
will
be
aware
that
it
has
featured
a
number
of
times,
certainly
whilst
I've
been
there
principal
school
advisor,
so
it
still
hasn't
been
closed
off.
So
I
think
that
the
door
is
certainly
open
for
that
to
come
back
and
clearly
is
a
an
evolving
agenda
so
from
the
pre-decision
screening
and
glass,
but
is
it's
probably
worth
keeping
on
the
boards
radar.
B
H
A
I
won't
pass
this
on
to
my
successor,
but
I
think
I
do
know
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
I
haven't
been
that
involved
with
it.
I
think
it's
due
to
the
october
half
term
and
where
that's
falling
this
year,
so
you'll
know
there's
an
additional
meeting
in
early
december,
which
would
I
think
normally
be
a
spare
month
and
so
that
that's
where
it's
made
up
so
the
same
volume
of
meetings
in
the
autumn
period.
But
I
accept
it
has
changed.
H
No,
why
I
ask?
Because
you
don't
want
to
end
up
one
meeting
where
you
got
so
much
on
the
agenda,
that
you're
rushing
or
you
know
is
that's
why
I'm
asking
because
that
has
happened
in
the
past.
A
Council
I
can
take
that
forward.
It's
obvious,
they
are
suggested
they're,
not
confirmed
until
the
annual
council
meeting.
So
absolutely
I
can
take
that
away.
K
Yeah,
so
thank
you
chair.
I
think
there
was
one
other
item
which
is
particularly
personal,
and
this
is
something
that
council
robinson
when
he
was
still
on
the
board
raised
as
well.
Obviously,
this
year
it's
going
to
be
a
year
since
we've
had
the
elected
mayor
for
west
yorkshire
and
certainly
analyzing
devolution
a
year
on
after
we've
had
a
mayor
for
a
year
would
be
particularly
pertinent
and
especially
for
the
fact
that
we've
not
really
covered
it
in
that
first
year.
K
B
B
The
job
opportunities
from
2023
and
making
sure
that
our
communities
can
access
those
and
the
access
social
value
coming
back
to
the
access
to
the
funding
and
making
sure
that
those
grants
and
they'll
be
available
to
communities
will
be
ones
that
they'll
be
able
to
to
achieve,
and
and
perhaps
support
with
them,
not
being
in
arrears
and
support
with
the
bidding
process.
B
B
The
split
of
funding
per
per
ward
was
a
a
bit
of
a
discussion
and
then
the
overall
funding
and
the
split
of
how
that
was
raised
over
the
time.
Did
you
have
a
point
to
add
on
2023.
K
Sorry
chair,
I
don't
mean
to
hold
this
discussion,
I'm
just
going
to
say
one
thing.
I
think
that
colleagues
across
a
lot
of
us
raised
was
actually
the
engagement
with
world
councillors,
community
committees
and
actually
that
I
was
a
little
disappointed
with
the
response
that
the
fact
that
they
were
saying
they
hadn't
really
factored
that
in,
and
that
is
certainly
something
going
forward.
I
think
that
all
of
us
value
in
terms
of
actually
being
able
to
really
help
them
kick
start,
go
even
further
than
what
they're
doing
at
the
moment.
B
Thanks,
that's
useful
I've
added
that
to
the
list
and
then
obviously
we
had
the
item
on
waste,
which
will
be
suggesting
really
that
that
carry
on.
Obviously
that's
a
joint
working
group,
but
that
data
is
really
what
we
need.
Isn't
it.
The
data
that
is
coming
is
what
I
think
we're
eager
as
a
board
to
to
delve
into
to
see
that
composition
analysis
find
out
a
bit
about
the
methodology
of
it.
B
B
That
come
out
of
some
of
that,
and
obviously
there's
reference
in
in
the
reports
to
the
amount
of
money
that's
set
aside
in
the
budget
to
look
at
the
project
on
the
way
strategy
and
then
a
number
of
pilots,
and
I
think
hopefully,
this
board
would
want
to
have
a
clear
overview
of
those
pilots
as
they
went
through
and
yeah
point
on
that.
I
Just
building
up
from
sam's
point
around
devolution,
it
would
be,
I
think,
useful
for
us
to
have
a
look
out
the
funding
rather
than
the
mayoral
position
and
has
had
an
impact,
and
now
perhaps
we
can
influence
some
of
those
developed
funds,
particularly
around
maybe
skills
and,
and
things
like
that
in
in
in
our
localities.
I
think
that'll
be
quite
useful.
B
K
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
and
further
to
council
burst
point.
I
think
it's
actually
looking
at
leaders
role
in
terms
of
trying
to
make
the
best
of
and
try
and
really
take
advantage
of
the
position
that
we're
in
with
devolution,
and
I
think
that
really
is
going
to
be
key.
But
further
to
that
particular
point,
I
think
that
certainly
looking
at
the
financials
around
the
different
costs
of
I
know,
I
raise
it
again:
miss
collections,
recoveries,
etc
and
also
the
data
collection
around
how
that
information
is
actually
taken
in.
K
B
Yeah
we'll
have
that
discussion.
It
might
be
discussion
for
the
the
next
chair
of
this
board
to
then
have
and
look
at
how
that
scrutiny
board
will
work
together
on
on
those
items,
because,
certainly,
given
the
review
review,
there
may
be
requirements
in
terms
of
the
waste
strategy
on
that
there
may
be
requirements
in
terms
of
the
budget
on
that.
So
I
think
that's
certainly
something
that
we
can
keep
an
eye
on
there
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
social
value
point.
B
I
think
this
was
the
first
show
of
the
monitoring
of
social
value,
and
really
I
got
the
feeling
that
members
of
the
board
wanted
to
delve
into
that
more
deeply
to
be
able
to
pick
apart
the
results
as
they
come
through
and
see
how
the
terms
the
themes,
outcomes
and
measures
are
are
delivered,
but
also
to
make
sure
that
they're
being
realized
on
the
ground
sharon.
Did
you
want
to
come
in
on
that
point?.
I
K
I
think
that
that
really
would
tie
in
sorry,
apologies,
chad.
I
think
that
really
time
with
the
discussion
about
agile
working
because
it's
been
quite
a
roller
coaster-
results
coming
back
about
how
staff
feel
working
from
home
and
all
their
working
lives
are
going.
So
I
think
that
would
be
really
helpful.
Can
I
ask
the
one
thing
I
would
say
certainly
that
council
flynn's
big
point
was:
when
is
financial
health
monitoring
going
to
come
up
next,
but
there
we
go,
but
we'll
see
with
success
aboard.
A
Financial
health
marine
does
come
regularly.
As
you
said,
council
firth,
I
can't
make
a
commitment
because
of
my
position,
but
in
the
summer
I
would
suspect,
june
or
july
just
to
start
the
to
work
program
and
the
board's
work
for
the
year.
B
You
down
to
job.
J
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
it
falls
in
this
bar's
room
or
not,
but
I
I'd
like
to
look
at
how
we
are
managing
our
bigger
community
centers
across
the
city,
the
funding
and
management
of
them.
I
can't
get
a
business
plan,
so
I
can't
see
what's
been
committed
to
which
building
and
when
and
I
would
have
thought
that
was
something
we
should
have
it's
an
issue
in
the
south.
I
don't
know
what
it's
like
in
the
other
areas.
A
A
B
Certainly,
that's
something
you.
I
get
your
point
on
that
because
the
two
ways
isn't
this:
how
they
work
for
their
communities
best
and
there's
also
how,
as
a
resource
across
the
city,
they
are
maybe
booked
and
made
available
and-
and
there
might
be
a
point
for
putting
in
that
recommendation
of
a
joint
piece
of
work.
Again.
Maybe
something
like
that.
But
I
guess
that
that
would
maybe
be
something
that
would
go
to
the
chair
of
the
environment
and
housing
board
and
then
see
if
they
want
to
work
with
us
on
it.
J
I
think
what
I'm
seeing
is
confusion,
because
there
is,
there
seems
to
be
no
overall
owner
of
some
of
this
stuff,
so
communities
do
own
it,
and
I
accept
that,
but
facilities
management
take
a
great
big
lead
on
it
and
the
two
don't
speak
to
each
other
very
often.
So
there
is
a
problem
whether
it's
this
bird
or
it's
another
bird
or
a
joint
inquiry.
I
think
there
is
there-
is
something
not
working
properly
between
the
departments.
A
Yeah,
I
think
I
could
take
this
up
with
colleagues
in
the
screen
unit
and
we
could
work
a
way
of
getting
it
to
a
scrutiny
board
and
whether
it's
environment
housing
on
communities
on
this.
I
think
it
probably
is
likely
that
one
rather
than
this
one,
but
we
can
certainly
come
back
to
chairman
on
that.
B
A
B
Yeah,
thank
you
I'll.
Take
the
note
on
that.
Okay,
I
can't
see
any
others.
What
my
job
is
is
to
go
back
and
relay
these
to
the
chair.
Obviously
he
will
then
relay
them
as
as
it
goes
forward.
So
thank
you
to
everyone
for
bearing
with
us
today
it's
my
first
time
sitting
in
this
chair,
in
fact,
because
all
the
other
ones
I've
done
have
been
remote,
but
just
to
reinforce
as
well.
B
I
think
something
to
rob
as
a
board
for
the
work
he's
done,
adding
to
this
board
and
providing
a
real
load
of
support,
and
I
know
councillor
scopes
really
wanted
to
pass
that
point
onto
yourself
as
well
and
I'm
sure
he'll
make
it
directly
and
then
we'll
find
out
where
we
go
and
make
these
recommendations
to
the
board
for
next
year.