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A
A
All
right
a
very
good
morning
to
each
and
every
one
of
you.
Thank
you
so
much
for
attending
today,
Abigail
Marshall
cutting
is
my
name
I'm,
very
delighted
to
be
your
new
scrutiny,
chair
for
infrastructure,
investment
and
inclusive
growth,
scrutiny
board
and,
to
just
also
say
huge,
welcome
to
any
member
who
is
also
new
to
this
board.
So
there's
me
and
whoever
is
also
new
in
the
same
boat.
So
a
very,
very
warm
welcome.
A
This
is
the
first
meeting
for
this
Municipal
year
and
I
would
like
to
remind
attendees
that
this
meeting
will
be
webcast
and
there
will
be
a
link
for
for
people
to
be
able
to
view
the
recording
later
so
for
the
benefits
of
the
public
and
people
who
are
watching
this
meeting
this
this
morning,
I
would
like
to
ask
members
to
kindly
introduce
themselves,
and
it
will
just
be
members
of
the
board
first
before
the
rest
of
the
invited
guests
to
introduce
themselves.
So
I
will
start
with
Council.
H
Good
morning,
every
day,
councilor
comrade
heartbrook
substitution
for
councilor
Stanley.
We
unfortunately
called
away
on
urgent
work,
Mata.
A
Thank
you
and
a
special
shout
out
to
councilor
Miller.
It's
his
first
script
award.
So
just
give
him
a
wave.
That's
it!
Thank
you
right,
Council,
sorry,
you're,
not
a
counselor
over
to
you
Becky,
introduce
yourself!
Please.
A
Thank
you
all
very
much.
I
would
also
like
to
use
this
opportunity
to
say
a
very
huge
thank
you
to
my
predecessor,
counselor.
Oh
he's
now
called
Paul
trusswell,
it's
no
longer
a
counselor
who's
retired
after
so
many
years
serving
the
council
and
specifically
serving
this
board
I
believe
10
years
about
10
years,
serving
this
scrutiny
board,
and
we
surely
will
miss
his
huge
and
massive
experience
on
chairing
this
board.
So
we
just
want
to
use
this
opportunity
and
make
sure
he
knows.
I
do
think
he's
watching
somehow.
A
So,
if
you're
watching
Paul,
we
just
want
to
say
huge.
Thank
you
to
your
years
of
service
and
thank
you
for
everything
that
you
gave
this
board.
Okay,
so
we're
gonna
start
straight
away
and
I
will
now
pass
on
to
Andy
to
go
through
agenda
items
number
one
to
five.
L
Thank
you,
chair
under
agenda
item
number
one.
There
are
no
appeals
against
the
refusal
of
inspection
of
documents.
Agenda
item
number
two:
there
are
no
items
excluded
from
the
public
domain.
Today,
agenda
item
number
three:
we
don't
have
any
late
items.
Moving
on
to
a
gender
item
number
four:
do
any
members
have
any
declarations
to
make?
L
A
Thank
you
very
much
councilor
hatbrook
for
substituting.
We
appreciate
it.
Okay,
so
agenda
item
number
six
is
minutes
of
the
last
meeting,
which
was
held
on
the
5th
of
April
of
2023,
and
what
we
need
to
do
now
is
to
approve,
as
a
correct
record,
of
the
minutes
of
this
meeting
that
was
held
and
I'll
pass
on
to
Becky.
To
make
some
comments
since
I
was
in
the
chair
at
the
time
over
to
you,
Becky.
K
If
I
can
just
make
members
aware
of
minute
85,
it
refers
to
your
end
of
year
statement,
which
you
approved
at
the
end
of
the
last
Municipal
year.
That's
now
been
published
on
the
committee
web
page,
the
2022-2023
scrutiny
annual
report
will
be
published
alongside
it
once
it's
been
considered
by
Council
on
the
12th
of
July.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Becky
agenda
item
number
seven
terms
of
reference
back
to
you
again:
Becky.
K
Terms
of
reference
is
one
of
the
regular
items
of
business
that
comes
to
each
scrutiny
board
at
the
start
of
the
municipal
year.
It
sets
out
the
terms
of
reference
applicable
to
all
scrutiny
boards
on
page
13..
It
includes
article
6
of
The
Constitution,
which
outlines
the
remit
and
special
responsibilities
of
the
board
and
appendix
3.
K
The
main
change
in
arrangements
for
this
particular
scrutiny
board
is
that
counselor
Jess
Lennox
is
now
the
executive
member
for
housing
and
will
therefore
lead
on
matters
relating
to
affordable
housing
and
Council
housing.
Housing
growth,
both
functions
fall
within
the
delegation
of
the
director
of
City
development
and
councilor
Hayden
will
retain
executive
responsibility
for
the
other
aspects
of
this
delegation,
namely
private,
private
Housing
Development.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
Becky
and
congratulations:
councilor,
lennis
and
Welcome
to
our
board.
Okay
agenda
item
number:
eight
back
to
you
again:
Becky.
K
Again,
this
is
a
an
annual
item
of
business
that
comes
to
all
of
the
scrutiny
boards
and
the
council.
Constitution
includes
provision
for
all
scrutiny
boards
to
permanently
co-opt
members
for
either
a
period
of
office
that
doesn't
go
beyond
the
next
annual
general
meeting
or
for
the
period
of
a
specific
scrutiny
board.
There
are
no
specific
legislative
requirements
for
this
board
to
appoint
external
Representatives.
Typically,
this
board
is
determined
not
to
do
so
on
the
basis
of
the
quite
wide-ranging
remit.
K
Instead,
external
Witnesses
have
been
brought
in
for
specific
items
of
business.
It
would
be
my
recommendation
that
the
board
continues
to
adopt
this
approach,
bringing
experts
in
as
and
when
you
deem
appropriate,
unless
or
until
you
determine
the
permanent
co-option
would
add
a
particular
value
to
the
board.
So
it's
very
for
members
of
the
board
to
determine
how
they
would
like
to
proceed.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
Moving
on
swiftly
agenda
item
number
nine
performance
report,
which
is
the
only
main
agenda
that
we've
got
today,
so
I
hope
you
all
have
got
everything
in
front
of
you.
Your
papers
and
you've
gone
through
that
this
agenda
item
I
will
be
taking
each
performance
indicator
in
order
and
I'll
be
inviting
members
to
for
questions
and
comments
on
each
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
indicator.
So
I
would
now
ask
our
executive
members
to
please
kindly
introduce
yourselves.
M
Good
morning
Casa
Helen
Hayden
executive
member
for
sustainable
development
and
infrastructure.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Exec
members
could
I
kindly
ask
Emma
Emma
Camelo
price
to
start
by
setting
up
the
process
for
performance
reporting
for
this
year.
So
over
to
you,
thanks
for
coming.
Q
Thank
you
very
much
Chan
good
morning,
everyone,
I'm
Emma
Camillo
price
and
I
work
in
the
intelligence
and
policy
service,
and
we
handle
performance
reporting
at
a
corporate
level.
So
just
very
briefly
to
set
out
how
we
report
to
scrutiny
boards,
but
all
the
security
boards.
We
bring
a
performance
report
twice
a
year
and
those
usually
in
the
June
and
January
meetings,
and
at
this
meeting
we
typically
bring
quarter
four
year
end
information
wherever
that
is
available.
Now
at
the
introduction
of
the
best
city
ambition.
Q
Last
year
we
did
reach
out
and
have
conversations
with
the
chairs
of
the
scrutiny
boards
to
take
a
look
at
the
indicators
that
we
will
be
bringing
and
don't
really
have
a
refresh
and
see
if
there
were
any
amends
required
being
mindful.
There
are
new
chairs,
we
are
going
to
reach
out
and
have
those
discussions
again,
also
in
light
of
the
fact
that
we
are
refreshing,
the
best
city
ambition
this
year
now
in
terms
of
actual
performance
reporting
under
the
best
city
ambition.
Q
Some
members
may
be
aware
that
in
January
we
included
a
draft
dashboard
which
included
high
level
indicators
for
consideration
for
reporting
under
the
best
city.
Ambition
and
work
has
continued
within
our
service
as
to
how
we
best
support,
and
at
present
we
are
looking
at
a
combination
of
the
social
Progress
Index.
Q
So
so,
just
to
say
again
in
in
terms
of
the
best
city
ambition
and
how
we
report
it
to
high
level
there.
We
are
looking
at
considering
the
social
Progress
Index
in
conjunction
with
the
joint
strategic
assessment,
which
we
carry
out
every
three
years
and
is
due
to
be
completed
next
year
and
specific
indicators
are
listed
lifted
from
other
strategies
such
as
health
and
well-being
as
required.
So
work
is
ongoing
on
that
at
the
minute,
so
we'll
continue
as
part
of
the
best
of
the
ambition
refresh
this
year.
A
A
R
R
So,
just
by
way
of
headlines
on
the
kpis
that
you've
got
in
front
of
you,
the
first
one
is
with
regard
to
planning
applications
and
what
you
see
there
is
a
target
which
is
the
government's
designation
thresholds
where
they
they
they're
the
basis
upon
which
it's
decided
whether
an
authority
should
be
designated
as
underperforming.
So
you
see
majors
at
60
on
time
and
non-mages
70
on
time.
R
The
quarter
four
performance
for
leads
is
is
is
some
way
above
that
with
majors
at
85.3
percent
minus
at
83.7
and
other
at
89.9,
and
then
at
the
bottom
of
that
page.
You
have
the
historical
data
where
I
think
you
see
improvements
over
time,
but
then
in
21,
22
fall
back
in
performance,
which
was
a
function
of
the
pandemic
and
the
impact
that
had
on
the
delivery
of
the
service
and
then
in
2223
the
recovery,
which
gets
us
to
the
position
that
you
see
now
so
moving
on
in
terms
of
unemployment
in
Leeds.
R
A
Much
okay,
okay!
Yes,.
J
Furniture
I,
just
recently,
I
I,
had
calls
to
have
some
correspondence
with
planning
and
they
sent
me
a
very
candid
email
about
the
lack
of
stuff
and
the
difficulties
they've
had
to
respond
in
a
timely
fashion
to
various
queries
in
the
public,
and
it
was
such
a
candid
email
as
I
say
that
I
did
not
forward
this
onto
the
member
of
the
public.
Who'd
who'd
complain
to
me,
but
I
I,
just
wonder.
Are
we
doing
all
that
we
can
to
improve
this
service?
R
R
R
And
then
we
also
have
the
challenge
in
terms
of
the
council's
overall
budget
position
and
the
need
for
all
directorates
and
services
to
operate
within
the
budget
parameters.
And
what
we're
waiting
for
is
the
government's
agreement
which
to
increase
planning
fees
because
they're
set
nationally.
So
we
can't
change
them
and
to
allow
us
to
then
use
the
songs
which
would
be
ring,
fenced
I
think
would
be
the
basis
of
the
government's
decision
to
planning
that
would
allow
us
to
resource
planning
to
a
higher
level.
M
Thank
you,
chair
yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
councilor
Buckley,
and
it's
if
you
could
forward
that
email
to
me
that
I'd
be
most
grateful.
M
We
are
because
of
financial
situation,
and
you
know
significant
cut
to
cut
to
the
budget.
We
are
under
increasing
financial
difficulty
when
it
comes
to
and
when
it
comes
to
recruitment
and
the
other
reasons
that
that
Martin
has
just
set
out
with
a
lack
of
training
planners
actually
in
Leeds.
M
We
do
extremely
well,
but
we
are
constantly
recruiting
and
filling
places
and
being
Innovative
in,
for
example,
in
planning
enforcement
or
in
some
of
the
background
functions
you
don't
actually
need
to
be
a
planner,
so
you
can
be.
M
You
can
be
trained
in
that,
but
I
have
to
say
that
the
finances
not
being
able
to
pay
people
the
same
as
they're
in
the
private
sector
and
the
constant
demand,
as
Martin
said
when
we
we
train
our
own
and
we
grow
our
own,
but
then
they
move
on
which
is
excellent
for
them,
not
so
excellent
for
us
and
it's
just
something
that
we
have
to
keep
and
we
have
to
keep
working
on.
M
I
am
delighted
with
this
set
of
figures,
though,
and
now
I'd
like
to
take
this
opportunity
and
answering
Council
because
comment
to
thank
the
team
going
from
in
2021,
2022,
77,
75
and
indeed
67
for
minor,
285
and
83
is
an
incredible
achievement
and
that
just
shows
the
incredible
hard
work
of
the
entire
planning
directorate
from
the
chief
officer
right,
the
way
through
the
department
and
there's
some
incredible
hard
work
going
on
there,
especially
in
teams
that
maybe
are
not
at
full
capacity.
M
There
will
be,
though,
17
16
14
of
cases
that
are
delayed,
and
that
is
probably
the
one
of
the
emails
that
you
receive
from
a
member
of
the
public
Council
of
Buckley,
but
to
be
at
that
level,
especially
when
the
government's
Target
is
60
and
to
be
at
that
level
and
we're
very
lucky
in
Leeds
that
people
want
to
work
for
us
that
people
want
to
live
and
work
in
this
city
and
other
authorities
are
a
not
as
lucky
as
that.
M
But
we
are
and
that's
why
we
have
to
make
certain
decisions.
We
are
really
struggling
with
the
finances,
especially
well
after
13
years,
but
especially
the
last
three
years.
Thank
you.
J
Just
on
the
subject
of
paying
them,
surely
in
the
private
sector,
as
we
all
know,
it's
supply
and
demand.
So
if
there's
there
are,
if
you
can't
recruit
you
pay
more
can't
the
council
simply
pay
more.
B
My
question
is
well:
first
of
all,
I
must
say
we're
doing
really
well
you're,
not
fantastic,
to
say
that
we've
always
had
problem
with
recruiting
planners
over
the
years.
It's
nothing
new,
but
my
question
is:
do
we
have
Apprentice
because
you
see
councilor
Aiden,
you
said
that
obviously
we
train
them
and
they
move
on.
Are
these
our
Apprentice?
B
Are
we
taking
them
in
from
the
beginning
and
because
they
normally
stay
and
most
apprenticed
so
I'm
just
asking
are
we
do
we
have
Apprentice
from
the
start
right
through
you
know,
but,
and
also
the
other
question
is
regarding:
do
residents
do
contact
us
with
regards
the
length
of
time?
Are
we
sticking
to
our
Target
of
replying
to
them
when
they
submit
their
application.
S
Thank
you
chair
just
just
to
introduce
myself
I'm
I'm
Martinelli
I'm,
head
of
strategic
planning
within
the
planning
department
and
answer
your
question.
Councilor
Hamilton
we
do
take
apprentices,
we've
been
quite
successful
at
securing
those,
but
but
the
apprentices
actually
have
to
want
to
come
to
planning
to
actually
work
within
within
the
service.
S
So
so
there's
there's
work
that
we
do
to
try
and
make
planning
more
attractive,
and
we
do
find
that
the
apprentices
we
get
are
very
good
and
then
they
do
often
stay
within
within
within
the
authority
and
and
in
relation
to
responding
to
to
queries
about
delayed
planning
applications.
We
we
do
Endeavor
to
to
hit
the
council's
targets
in
terms
of
applying
to
members
of
the
public
within
within
the
appropriate
time.
Sometimes
that
might
not
happen,
but
hopefully,
though,
that
those
are
isolated,
incidences.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
I'm
speaking
about
delays,
Martin
and
have
we
caught
up
from
the
pandemic
in
terms
of
applications.
The
delays
that
we
had
previously
do.
We
know
if
we've
cut
up
now.
S
Yeah,
so
thank
you
chair.
We
have
caught
up
we've
caught
up
for
two
reasons.
One
is
the
number
of
significant
householder
applications
that
we
saw
during
the
pandemic
where
people
didn't
move,
but
they
decided
to
make
improvements
to
their
own
home.
Those
have
now
tailed
off
and
we've
coupled
that
with
increase
in
staff
due
to
specific
pandemic
funding,
which
was
available
to
cover
us
through
that
period.
So
so
we
are
catching
up
now,
so
we'll
be
in
a
much
better
position
and
hope
to
to
maintain
these
standards.
A
Excellent
many
thanks
councilor
hatbrook.
H
Thank
you
chair
a
couple
of
questions.
The
first
one
I
wasn't
planning
on
asking,
but
following
on
from
the
reply
given
to
councilor
Buckley's,
what
I
thought
was
quite
a
reasonable
question
saying
we
can't
pay
more
I
mean
clearly
what
we've
said
in
the
earlier
answer
is
we're
spending
an
awful
lot
of
money
and
time
training
up
Junior
people
to
a
position
of
competence
and
ability
to
deliver
the
the
their
duties
and
I'm
just
curious
as
to
I'm
sure
it
is.
H
But
it's
not
being
said
so
I
think
it's
worth
getting
on
record,
whether
that's,
how
cost
benefit
analysis
of
I'll,
say
seniority
and
capability
versus
retention,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
could
you
know
the
pot
of
money
that
we
have
to
spend
on.
This
is
the
pot
of
money
and
you
know
taking
on
point
councilor
Hayden's
point
of
we
don't
have
any
more
money,
well
yeah,
but
the
money
that
we
do
have.
H
We
have
a
duty
to
spend
it
as
best
that
we
can
and
I
just
wanted
some
information
to
say
that
where
we
are
spending
money,
you
know,
because
if
we
want
to
retain
Talent
any
Bill
any
business,
any
organization
has
to
do
that.
Cost
benefit
analysis
as
to
whether
it's
cheaper
to
grow
your
own
and
then
keep
them
to
a
certain
point
versus
letting
the
market
just
skip.
Skim
up.
You
know
skim
off
the
good
talent
that
we
spent
a
long
time
training
and
investing
in
possibly
at
the
point
that
they're
at
their
most
productive.
H
So
I'd
like
to
answer
on
that
and
then
the
other
question
which
sort
of
was
my
original
Point,
was
I.
Think
the
backlog
clearing
the
backlog
has
made
really
good
progress.
I'm
just
curious
as
to
is
that
down
to
effort
and
resources,
or
is
it
down
to
approach
and
I?
Guess
how
we're
giving
different
screws?
You
know
less
scrutiny
or
waving
some
things
through
where
you
know
also
rubber
stamping,
but
you
know
where
it's
basically.
H
Actually,
we
know
that
that's
going
to
be
fine,
let's
Fast,
Track
fast
tracking,
is
probably
a
better
phrase
of
putting
it.
You
know.
Are
we
kind
of
have
we
streamlined,
how
we
operate
to
focus
on
the
stuff
that
matters
and
then
green,
light
and
stuff,
which
is
more
simple
and
more
yeah
I
want
to
build
a
porch
on
the
front
of
my
house
when
this
half
Street
already
has
them
type
thing.
S
Thank
you,
yeah
thanks,
chair
thanks
councilor,
so
just
just
for
your
awareness
over
the
last
few
years,
given
the
council's
financial
challenges,
the
service
has
undertaken
some
efficiency
reviews
where
we
have
scrutinized
our
approach
to
the
administration
of
planning
applications
and
the
way
they
are
managed
within
the
service.
The
the
implementation
of
those
efficiency
reviews
is
now
underway,
including
some
detailed
and
specific
workforce
planning.
It's
not
the
time
to
do
that.
S
Wasn't
when
the
service
was
at
its
most
stressed
and
pressed
so
now
that
we
we
we,
we
are
sort
of
under
less
pressure,
we're
carrying
out
those
workforce
planning
so
exercises
now,
so
that
that
will
go
directly
to
looking
at
the
best
ways
of
doing
that.
I
think.
S
The
other
thing
is
that
it's
a
balance
because,
whilst
we
may
have
fewer
household
applications,
the
complexity
of
our
major
applications
is
ever
increasing
with
new
things
like
biodiversity
net
gain,
with
assessments
of
Net
Zero,
increasing
burdens
on
on
design
line
with
design
codes
Etc.
S
So
it's
it's
about
balancing
all
of
those
those
things
so
so
when
we
do
get
on
a
better
footing,
there's
other
things
that
maybe
do
increase
the
pressure
on
us
and,
and
certainly
members
of
of
the
plans
panels,
certainly
very
keen
to
see
those
sorts
of
issues
not
to
the
fore
in
our
decision
making.
S
But
again,
what
we
do
encourage
is
significant
pre-application
negotiation
with
developers
so
that
actually,
when
the
application
gets
submitted,
it's
right
first
time,
so
that
we're
actually
trying
to
reduce
the
amount
of
burden
and
negotiation
at
that
actual
planning
application
stage.
So
it's
it's
a
number
of
different
things
coming
together.
S
M
During
the
pandemic,
we
did
receive
some
recovery
money
which
was
used
up
to
employ
staff
and
to
employ
particularly
on
kind
of
just
at
a
university
graduates
and,
and
many
and
I
think
the
majority,
if
not
all,
of
them
are
still
with
us
and
working
with
us,
and
it
is
a
balance,
a
balance
of
experience
and
and
young
and
and
younger
younger
people
who
are
learning
from,
and
you
need
that
experience
so
that
the
young,
younger
people
can
learn
from
from
the
more
experienced
people
in
the
directorate
and
that's
the
same
in
any
organization.
M
There's
also
a
balance
of
it's
not
just
about
money.
When
you
work
for
a
local
Authority,
it
can't
ever
just
be
about
money
when
you
work
for
a
local
Authority,
because
I
think
everybody
could
earn
more
money
in
the
private
sector.
So
especially
when
you
have
a
skills
and
expertise
as
our
planning
officers
do
so
it's
it's
about
that
retention.
M
It's
about
making
working
in
planning,
as
Martin
said
as
attractive
as
possible
and
and
that
people
feel
supported
and
enjoy
their
work
and
feel
respected,
and
that
flexibility
of
work
and
working
in
in
our
workplace.
Now,
which
is
the
same
for
all
organizations,
either
private
or
public,
and
to
consider
that
flexible
working
and
how
people
now
need
need
and
want
to
run
their
lives.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Council
Foster
did
you
want
to
say
something.
H
I
H
Castle
Hayden,
I
I'm,
not
sure
I,
quite
heard
the
answer
to
the
question
which,
because
your
challenge
back
to
councilor
Buckley,
was
that
you
know
essentially,
there
isn't
more
money
to
pay
for
more
yeah
within
the
overall
budget.
But
I
guess
my.
My
point
is
where
we
have
you
know
a
particular
talent
and
I
appreciate
the
people
who
don't
come
to
work,
often
for
particular
organizations
driven
solely
by
the
salary
which
they
they
take
home,
the
other
work-life
balances,
working
environment,
etc,
etc,
which
are
all
top
as
a
council.
H
We
offer
a
very
good
one,
but
you
point
back
to
councilor.
Buckley
was
quite
like
unanimous.
When
that
we
can't
pay
more
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify.
Do
you
mean
we
can't
pay
more
as
a
department
of
budget,
because
the
budget
is
kind
of
fixed?
Or
do
you
mean
that
actually,
if
a
particular
officer
is
very,
very
good
and
deemed
very,
very
good
value,
there
is
nothing
that
we
can
or
is
it
nothing
that
we
will
do
to
return
that
Talent
shoot.
M
I
I
sat
on
for
many
years
on
the
resources,
scrutiny
Bard,
and
this
came
up
time
and
time
again.
We
we
had
pay
scales
and
it
was
a
particular
problem
in
I.T
and
it
will
I'm
ashore
continue
to
be
a
particular
problem,
as
I
can
demand
much
higher
salaries
elsewhere.
M
We
have
pay
scales
and
you
will
run
into
significant
problems
if
you
pay
one
individual
much
more
money
than
and
then
other
people
on
the
same
grade
as
them,
it
I
don't
think
we're
allowed
to.
Are
we
I'll
bring
in
Council
Cooper.
N
Thank
you,
Council
head
and
thanks
counselors
for
your
question
on
on
the
resources
side
of
of
this
agenda.
N
N
Out
term
was
just
recently
our
executive
Bard,
and
we
had
to
rely
on
strategic
reserves
to
help
us
meet
the
budget,
because
it
is
so
so
challenging
for
us,
and
we
have
set
out
various
criteria
to
help
us
to
keep
within
that
budget
and
also
various
efficiencies
that
each
director
has
to
make
within
that
within
that
year.
As
well,
which
includes
City
development,
I,
have
to
say
in
the
the
planning
department
and
we've
got
a
freeze
on
non-essential
spend.
N
We
also
have
agreed
pay
scales
that
we
work
to
and
that's
through
the
national
employers
and
Association
through
the
LGA
as
well,
and
so
we
to
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
just
individually
change
those
pay
scales
through
as
an
individual
local
Authority.
Without
undertaking
that
necessary
work
through
the
national
employers
Association,
there
is
at
the
through
the
local
government
Association.
N
There
is
some
talk
about
looking
at
what
those
pay
scales
are
because
some
of
those
at
the
bottom
end
of
the
pay
scale
are
kind
of
squashing
together
now,
given
the
minimum
national
minimum
wage
and-
and
so
on,
like
that,
so
there
is
some
work
nationally
and
been
undertaken
and
being
looked
at
through
the
peer
skills,
but
as
an
individual
Authority,
we
stick
to
those
pay
scales.
N
Sometimes
there
are
somebody
May
apply
for
promotion
and
that's
one
way
that
we
are
able
to
offer
increased
salary
and
increase
responsibility
to
individuals
in
in
the
organization,
but
it's
just
not
possible
for
us
to
change
the
conditions
of
people's
employment
within
the
same
role.
Apart
from
the
agreed
increases
through
the
processes
through
the
national
employers,
Association
and
I
just
remind
scrutiny
members
that
just
how
challenging
the
finances
have
been
for
this
organization.
N
We've
had
two
0.5
billion
pounds
removed
from
our
budget
over
the
last
13
years
and
at
some
point
it's
got
to
impact
that
that
withdrawal
of
that
amount
of
financial,
a
stability
within
an
organization
has
to
hit
home
somewhere,
and
you
know-
and
we
are
starting
to
feel
that
in
some
service
areas,
but
you
know
in
terms
of
Recruitment
and
Retention,
the
HR
service
are
doing
all
they
can
in
terms
of
the
individual
areas
where
we
know,
we've
got
some
specific
com
concerns
so,
whether
that
be
through
social
care
through
IDs
through
planning.
N
There
are
a
number
of
areas
that
HR
are
working
on
to
see
what
we
can
do
in
those
circumstances
where
we
know
there's
gaps
and
and
where
we
can
improve
those
gaps.
Whilst
remaining
Within
budget
I
have
to
say.
A
Thank
you
very
much:
councilor
Cooper,
you
happy
yeah,
okay,
councilor
Foster
and
then
Council
Alderson.
I
Thank
you,
I
think,
on
the
face
of
it,
the
figures
look
quite
good.
I
bet,
you
didn't
think
you'd
get
much
of
a
drilling,
an
item,
one
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
one
question
that
did
suddenly
occur
to
me:
we're
talking
about
resourcing
recruitment.
So,
very
simply
the
budgeted
head
count
for
the
planning
department.
Can
you
just
tell
me
what
the
the
budgeted
number
is
and
what
the
actual
number
is.
R
A
Yes,
that'll
be
helpful.
Thank
you,
sorry
about
that
Council
Foster,
but
all
ensure
we
get
that
information
back
for
you,
councilor
Alderson,.
E
Thank
you
chair.
While
I
know,
the
report
does
say
that
Target
percentages
are
the
government's
designation
thresholds.
I
just
wondered
how
those
percentages
equate
to
actual
application
numbers
based
on
previous
years.
Please
thank
you.
R
I
mean
I
know
that
the
figures
have
recently
come
out
for
March,
23
and
Leeds
process,
four
and
a
half
thousand
planning
applications.
If
you
looked
at
us
nationally,
that
would
Place
us
as
the
third
busiest
planning
Authority
in
England,
the
busiest
being
buckinghamshire
I'm,
not
sure
why,
but
it
is
and
Birmingham,
which
is
marginally
above
Leeds,
but
interestingly,
not
by
a
great
degree,
given
that
Birmingham
has
a
larger
population
of
about
250
000
to
leads
so
in
terms
of
the
number
of
planning
applications
with
the
processing.
R
A
E
R
I
I
think
the
area
where
I'll
ask
Martin.
If
we
can
comment
on
more
detail
on
this,
where
we
got
a
surge
was
in
the
small
applications
as
as
a
towards
the
end
of
2020
21,
which
was
probably
a
pandemic
effect
of
the
financial
implications
of
the
pandemic,
were
felt
in
different
ways.
S
Yeah
I,
don't
other
specific
figures
on
that:
I
I
think
they've
gone
down
by
about
sort
of
25
that
the
householder
applications,
but
I
can
get
back
to
you
on
that.
If
you,
if
you'd
like
a
written
response
on
that,
but
then
that's
certainly
where
we've
seen
the
greatest
decrease
in
terms
of
numbers,
but
but
the
major
applications,
as
you
can
see
by
the
number
of
cranes
in
the
city
center
Etc,
are
still
at
that
level.
A
F
You
so
it's
just
a
quick
comment
from
me.
Actually
I
feel
like
I've
got
slight
inside
knowledge,
because
it's
my
fifth
year
on
the
North
and
East
plans
panel
and
there's
a
significant
amount
of
work
that
goes
through
the
panel
we've
been
through
a
global
pandemic
and
and
with
year
on
year,
significant
cuts
to
budget
and
I
think
that
the
plans
team
should
be
commended
for
getting
back
to
where
they
are
thanks.
Chair.
R
A
Thank
you
very
much,
so
thank
you
very
much,
the
two
Martins
on
that
agenda
item
and
to
the
exec
members
who
have
supported
it.
Definitely
the
stats,
look
good
progress
and
we'll
continue
to
keep
an
eye
on
that
and
come
back,
and
please
do
remember,
don't
forget
to
come
back
to
us
with
the
responses
that
we
would
need
to
from
the
questions.
A
So
going
straight
on
to
number
two
unemployment
now
could
I
kindly
ask
the
officers
who
would
be
dealing
with
this
to
introduce
themselves
so
that
people
who
are
watching
from
the
public
would
know
who's
speaking
and
what
you
do
so
over
to
who's
back
to
you,
Martin.
R
R
So,
in
terms
of
this
indicator,
looking
at
unemployment
in
in
Leeds,
it
shows
a
decrease
over
the
period
from
2021
to
2022.
It's
gone
down
from
5.6
percent
to
2.5
percent.
So
that's
a
reduction
of
3.1
percentage
points,
which
is
a
significant
drop
by
way
of
context.
The
average
unemployment
rate
across
core
cities
was
4.6
was
both
the
West
Yorkshire
and
Yorkshire
Humber
rates
at
3.6,
which
matches
the
UK
average
over
the
January
to
December
period.
R
So
the
leads
reduction
is
ahead
of
the
core
City
and
West
Yorkshire
average,
and
within
Leeds
it's
the
second
largest
drop
in
unemployment
rate
across
the
course
it
is
with
Liverpool
at
3.3
percent,
as
the
only
core
City
that's
above
us,
Newcastle
showed
a
three
percentage.
Point
drop
has
did
Manchester
Birmingham
2.5
percent
Glasgow
0.5.
R
So
that's
the
background
to
that
kpi
chair.
O
Thank
you,
chair
I,
would
just
add
the
the
data
reported.
It
runs
up
to
December
and
we
actually
have
seen
small
increases
since
December,
but
consistently
month
on
month,
in
terms
of
the
numbers
claiming
Universal
Credit,
noting
that
those
claiming
Universal
Credit
can
also
be
in
employment
and
unemployment
figures.
That's
in
line
with
the
trend
across
across
England,
so
Leeds
is
not
an
outlier
in
that
respect,
and
so
just
to
make
people
aware
that
that
trend
is
now
going
slightly
upwards.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I've
got
a
question
for
you
here
before
I
am
passing
on
to
members.
So
in
terms
of
the
data
that
you
have
sent
to
ourselves
in
terms
of
the
quality
of
jobs
that
you
know
you
are
having
here
and
the
percentages
of
what's
increased
and
what's
gone
down,
what
kind
of
jobs
are
they?
What
do
we
have,
especially
in
terms
of
zero
hours,
contract,
part-time
full-time?
A
What's
the
quality
highly
skilled,
those?
What
kind
of
what
is
the
quality
of
the
employment
in
the
city.
O
O
What
I
would
say
is
that
where
we
see
skill
shortages
tends
to
be
in
some
of
the
growth
sectors
in
in
in
the
city
and
what
we're
working
on
through
the
future
Talent
plan,
which
sort
of
scrutiny
members
will
recall,
came
to
scrutiny
last
year
is
interventions
to
make
sure
that
we're
helping
people
who
are
currently
unemployed
or
claiming
Universal
Credit
to
get
the
skills
they
need
to
get
into
those
jobs,
but
that
those
interventions
which
we've
been
taking
since
roughly
Autumn
won't
necessarily
be
feeding
through
into
these
figures,
as
yet
in
terms
of
supporting
people
into
and
some
of
those
jobs
that
exist,
including
in
areas
like
the
digital
sector
in
the
city.
H
Yeah
I
mean
headline
wise.
The
numbers
look
really
really
good.
I
mean
we
all
know
that
Leeds
is
a
very
vibrant
booming.
City
you've
only
got
to
look
at
a
number
of
cranes
across
our
Skyline
to
see
that
you
know
see
that
we
are,
we
are
growing
and
we're
growing
growing,
well
I'm,
just
within
the
numbers
here.
What
I
don't
see
is
the
story
because
there's
a
lot
of
things.
H
You
know,
for
example,
I
know
after
the
code
pandemic,
you
know
that
there's
a
cohort
of
people
in
there
sort
of
between
50
and
60
who've
just
become
economically
inactive.
Who
you
know,
would
that
kind
of
thing
would
drop
would
cause
a
drop
in
what
is
labeled
unemployment,
but
actually
it's
just
not
looking
for
employment.
So
I
just
want
to
know
what
what
as
a
city
when
we
when
these
numbers
are
quite
different
or
the
course
it
is
I
guess,
what's
the
story.
O
So
there
is
more
detailed
information
below
this,
which
is
circulated
on
a
regular
basis
and
I.
Think
probably
just
some
highlights
to
underline
in
terms
of
understanding
a
bit
more.
We
do
see
in
the
figures
that
there
are
proportionately
more
women
than
men
claiming
Universal,
Credit
or
unemployed,
which
reflects
the
fact
that
in
Leeds,
women
on
average
just
paid
ten
thousand
pounds
less
than
men.
The
average
wage
is
23k
versus
33k.
O
But
we
also
see
on
that
point
about
inactivity
that
there
are
percentage-wise
more
people
with
mental
and
behavioral
disorders
that
are
claiming
employment
support
allowance
than
those
with
physical
and
which
points
to
the
fact
that
maybe
kind
of
challenges
to
access
services.
But
that's
that's,
probably
the
that's-
probably
a
supposition,
rather
than
an
Evidence
Point
around
around
those
Services
needing
to
support
people
into
work.
We
do
do
a
lot
of
proactive
work
through
employment
skills
to
support
people
and
that
have
challenges
to
get
into
the
workplace.
O
A
good
example
of
that
is
actually
an
event.
That's
happening
tomorrow
at
the
arena,
the
send
next
choices
event,
which
is
supporting
young
people
who
who
have
kind
of
either
physical
or
mental
kind
of
needs
at
school
to
to
kind
of
see
what
jobs
are
available
for
them
in
the
economy.
You
know,
neurodiverse
people
have
great
skill
sets
that
are
really
useful
for
some
employers,
for
example.
So
tomorrow
we'll
be
showcasing.
Some
of
that
and
helping
people
find
the
right
Pathways
into
work
and
through
some
of
our
activity,
I'm,
not
hoping
that
answers.
T
H
Does
maybe
I
just
maybe
I
shouldn't
understand
it
So
within
Within
These
figures
is
it
people
who
would
otherwise
be
claiming
benefits,
Universal
Credit
that
have
gone
that
have
entered
the
employment,
Market
or
other
other
factors
such
as
you
know,
people
becoming
economically
inactive
or
moving
on
to,
for
example,
you
know
sickness
benefit,
which
is
which
is
measured
differently,
I
just
I,
just
just
to
get
the
to
get
the
metric
you
know
is
this:
is
this
a
really
good
news
story,
as
it
looks
of
more
people
in
in
Leeds
having
jobs
who
compared
with
other
cities,
which
is
a
great
story
or
is?
H
P
In
in
itself,
I
would
say
it
is
a.
It
is
a
positive
story
that
there
are
more
people
in
employment,
I
think
what
the
data
doesn't
show
is.
There
are
other
elements
of
the
employment
Market
which
just
aren't
answered
by
this,
which,
which
may
be
positive,
maybe
negative
in
terms
of
whether
those
people
in
employment
are
also
you
know,
have
they
moved
from
Universal
Credit.
P
There
are
going
to
be
a
number
of
people
who
are
down
as
employed,
who
will
also
be
claiming
Universal
credits
I
think
it's
41
of
UC
claimants
are
in
some
form
of
work
and
and
I
think
that
really
demonstrates
that,
even
when
people
are
in
work,
there's
going
to
be
a
level
of
underemployment,
where
people
just
aren't,
aren't
being
paid
enough
or
don't
have.
As
cancer
martial
talks
about
zero
hour
contracts,
they
don't
they're
not
receiving
enough
hours.
P
So
this
statistic
in
itself:
yes,
is
a
positive,
but
are
there
other
factors
that
that
need
Improvement
need
work
on?
Yes,
absolutely
and
it's
it's
difficult
to
kind
of
look
at
everything
all
in
one
go
in
one
graph.
There
are
so
many
different
angles,
as
Eve
was
talking
about
kind
of
some
of
those
differentials
between
gender.
Some
of
that
isn't
isn't
kind
of
captured
in
the
top
line,
but
it's
still
an
issue
underneath
so
in
terms
of
a
narrative,
it's
yes,
this
is
positive,
but
it's
not
the
it's.
A
Okay,
thank
you
even
councilor,
prior
good
councilor
gavani.
D
O
Yeah,
so
we
do
get
the
breakdown
numbers
by
Ward
and
that's
in
the
report
that
was
circulated
regulator
members.
So
you
can
take
a
look
at
that
in
more
detail,
but
hot
spots
do
include
Gibson
and
Hare
Hills
Vermont
office
and
Richmond
Hill
armley,
based
in
holbeck,
constant
Riverside,
killing
back
in
seacroft
Middleton
Park,
and
so
we
tend
to
focus
our
employment
skills
efforts
on
particular
communities.
We
do
know
the
postcodes
where
we've
got
those
prior.
You
know
priorities
and
we
locate.
O
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
do
know.
The
future
plan
is
due
to
be
is
due
to
come
back
to
this
board
in
September,
so
we
can
ask
for
further
information
and
talk
about
it
more
in
September,
because
the
prior
did
you
want
to
come
back.
It.
P
Was
just
very
briefly
to
say
when
you
look
at
these
things
on
a
heat
map
of
where
the
issues
are,
it
looks
exactly
the
same
as
every
other
heat
map
we
have
for
every
issue
in
in
the
council,
whether
that
be
housing,
antisocial,
Behavior
or
health,
health
inequalities,
and
it
just
shows
exactly
where
we
need
to
be
focusing
on
pretty
much
everything
as
a
council.
There
aren't
any
surprises
in
that.
H
Tiny,
just
one
point
to
make
heat
maps
are
very,
very
useful
at
a
macro
level:
I'm
always
very,
very
wary
of
them,
because
the
granularity
they
often
offer
you
know
so.
For
example,
I
know.
In
my
own
world
there
are
some
pockets
of
what
quite
profound
deprivation,
but
if
you
take
about
the
average
of
award,
we're
not
so
I
I
think
that's
the
same.
You
know
it's
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
actually
a
strength
of
leads
in
that
we
don't
have
many
areas
which
are
truly
deprived
or
truly
utterly
opulent.
They're.
H
P
Just
to
reassure
that
the
data
we
get
from
the
gwp
does
go
deeper
than
what
level
we
just
present
as
at
what
level,
because
that's
how
we
operate,
but
we
do
work
deep
than
that.
A
Thank
you
even
I'm,
counselor
prior
are
we
able
for
January
20
2024
data?
Are
we
able
to
get
the
employment
data
per
Ward
so
that
people
can
clearly
see?
A
Because,
obviously,
when
we're
talking
about
the
discrimination
and
all
sorts
of
kind
of
a
deprivation,
we
can
see
where
people
are
falling
in
in
terms
of
the
different
33
Awards
in
the
city,
for
example,
as
a
city
center
counselor,
you
know,
I
get
residents
coming
to
me
and
saying
we're
seeing
lots
of
work
and
lots
of
buildings
and
all
of
that
going
on
in
the
city
and
we're
we
we
haven't,
got
jobs.
Who
are
the
people
coming
to
take
these
jobs?
Are
they
local?
Are
they
from
upside?
A
What's
the
percentage
so
not
for
now
so
I'm
talking
about
January,
2024
and
Eve
I
do
remember
on
the
8th
of
June.
When
we
had
our
introductory
briefing
with
yourself,
he
was
saying
something
about
a
data
scientist.
A
Remember
you
have
something
to
do
with
the
opening
of.
Can
you
just
give
us
a
quick
talk
about
that?
Please.
Thank
you.
O
Yes,
of
course,
so
we
have
a
partnership
with
open
Innovations
who
are
an
organization
that
work
in
data
in
the
in
the
city.
O
They're
well
established,
they've
been
going
for
10
years,
whereby
we're
part
funding
a
PhD
who
is
then
working
with
our
Economic
Policy
team
and
we're
hoping
to
recruit
somebody
on
an
apprenticeship
using
the
apprenticeship
Levy
to
build
up
data
science
skills
and
and
have
then
have
an
exchange
of
knowledge
and
practice
so
that
we
can
look
at
data
in
new
and
different
ways
and
that
there
is.
There
is
a
sort
of
a
challenge
in
relation
to
the
question
about
knowing
who's
getting
particular
jobs.
O
It's
very
difficult
to
get
that
information
unless
employers
are
going
to
give
you
data
about
the
postcodes
of
their
staff
in
terms
of
their
travel
to
work
area,
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
I.
Think
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
possible
for
us
to
be
able
to
achieve
that
picture.
The
city
and
although
I,
will
ask
the
question
of
the
team
about
whether
there's
something
we
can
do
and
it
may
be,
there's
something
we
can
do
with
our
anchors
networks.
O
To
give
an
indication
of
employment
by
postcode,
because
we
have
an
Employment
Group
for
the
through
the
anchor
Network,
and
so
we
might
be
able
to
get
some
indicative
information.
But
that
won't
necessarily
tell
you
about
some
of
the
new
companies
coming
in
in
different
sectors.
A
G
You
chair
just
quick
one
things
living
crisis.
I
can
understand
that
my
orders
is
already
struggling
with
the
younger
people
to
gain
the
jobs
or
even
to
the
skills
and
everything's
I'll
be
honest.
With
you
arrival,
the
number
of
the
people
who's
are
representing
my
world.
They,
they
have
a
small
businesses
and
the
small
businesses
be
honest
with
your
chair.
G
They
are
struggling,
it's
not
just
only
in
my
world
I'm
sure
around
across
the
city
but
I,
and
we
do
needed
to
think
about
how
many
people
they
are
employing
here
by
the
small
businesses
and
if
it's
growing
like
that,
we
needed
to
make
the
plans
how
we
can
even
how
to
them
all
the
people
who
are
working
with
small
businesses,
and
that
will
be
a
big
challenge
to
me
for
the
next
six
months.
If
it's
a
living
crisis
are
staying
as
it
is.
O
So
thank
thank
you
for
the
question,
so
the
the
council
obviously
provides
business
support
services
which
are
primarily
historically
funded
through
European
money
and
now
primarily
funded
through
the
UK
share,
Prosperity
fund
and
a
number
of
those
we
deliver
on
behalf
of
the
West
Yorkshire
combined
Authority
for
the
region,
and
they
are
prioritized
in
particular
areas.
O
So,
for
example,
the
adventure
program
which
supports
Pro
businesses
that
are
three
years
or
less
and
digital
Enterprise,
which
supports
businesses
to
adopt
new
technologies
for
them
to
be
able
to
achieve
greater
productivity
and
to
be
able
to
support
their
continued
success
and
growth
so,
for
example,
investing
in
website
marketing
and
so
on.
To
support
the
business.
O
We
don't
have
money
that
can
just
be
given
in
support
grants
in
the
way
that
we
did
during
covert
19..
So
during
covid-19
we
obviously
had
significant
money
that
came
through
the
government
that
was
awarded
with
some
discretion
locally
out
to
businesses
and
to
be
able
to
support
to
support
them
through
that
period.
That
type
of
Grant
scheme
doesn't
is,
it
was
a
temporary
grand
scheme
and
not
something
that
we
currently
offer
as
a
council,
because
you
don't
have
the
resources
to
do
do
schemes
of
that
nature.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Councilor
Arif
has
actually
carried
us
nicely
into
business
startups.
Yeah
I'll!
Come
to
that
because
we're
the
number
three
four
and
five.
If
we
could
members,
if
you
could
look
at
the
data
together
and
then
we
can
ask
and
make
comments
on
the
same
question,
so
that
would
be
for
a
number
of
business
startups
number
of
business
scale-ups,
as
well
as
the
business
survival
rate,
and
then
we
can
deal
with
the
three
together.
If
that's
okay,
so
did
you
want
to
come
in
first?
Thank
you.
A
Councilor
prior.
P
Sorry,
it
was
just
to
add
very
briefly
on
to
the
support
he
was
talking
about
in
terms
of
for
businesses.
I
think
it's
important
scrutiny
know
the
the
the
difference
in
support
available.
So
previously,
through
the
EU,
we
were
funded
on
something
called
the
European
structural
investment
fund
that
had
a
value
of
350
million
pounds.
That's
been
replaced
with
UK
SBF,
the
value
of
which
is
68
million
pounds
so
that,
even
though
it's
it's
the
government
have
said
this
is
a
fund
we're
using
to
replace
a
an
EU
fund.
P
It
is
81,
less
and
I
think
that
is
important,
just
just
for
the
ball
to
know
how
much,
how
much
less
support
the
government
are
providing
to
the
city.
A
Thank
you,
okay,
so
for
business
stack
for
business
startups,
whose
Martin
is
that
you
again.
R
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much.
Go
through
these
three
all
together.
Yes,
please
thank
you.
Thank
you!
So,
starting
with
business
startups,
this
indicator
reports,
business
startups,
using
figures
from
Bank
search
and
that
takes
information
from
companies,
house
and
High
Street
bank
accounts
and
and
open
data.
The
new
business
startups
for
April
21
to
March
22
was
4
654
and
for
the
period
April
22
to
March
23
that
increased
to
4950.
So
that's
an
increase
of
296..
R
R
Turning
to
a
number
of
business,
scale-ups
and
business
scale-ups
is
defined
as
companies
that
for
three
years
of
20
growth
in
either
turnover
or
employment,
the
figure
for
2021
is
470.
That's
a
change
of
135
down
from
605
in
2020.
R
The
annual
business
scale
UPS
previous
measure
that
we
use
is
no
longer
available.
Instead,
we
now
use
information
that
provided
directly
from
the
ons
on
the
interdepartmental
business
register,
which
is
available
on
the
each
calendar
year
and
then
finally,
on
business
survival
rate,
the
survival
rate
for
2021
for
Leeds
is
37.6,
that's
a
reduction
of
3.2
percent
against
the
figure
for
2020
which
stood
at
40.8
percent.
R
So
what
this
indicator
is
doing
is
look
at
the
annual
indicator
for
the
number
of
new
businesses
still
trading
after
a
five-year
period
and
again
the
information
is
reported
by
the
ons
that
37.6
compares
to
the
UK
average
of
38,
so
it's
marginally
lower.
When
you
look
at
this
thing
compared
to
core
cities,
the
drop
in
leads
of
3.2
percent
was
a
smaller
drop
than
was
experi
experienced
in
Manchester
of
7.4
and
Birmingham
3.
R
0.6,
which
I
think
is
interesting
in
the
context
of
the
larger
commercial
centers
of
the
course
it
is
I'd.
Compare
leads
more
directly
to
Birmingham
and
Manchester.
That
said,
the
figure
in
leads
the
fall
was
greater
than
a
number
of
the
other
core
cities,
including
Belfast
Nottingham
and
Newcastle,
which
means
that
Leeds
ranked
seventh
of
the
core
cities.
Overall.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Martin
okay
I
did
have
some
members
wanting
to
speak
so
counselor
I
Isaac.
Do
you
want
to
go
first
and
then
counselor
Neil
Buckley.
C
Thanks
Joe
on
the
business
scale-ups
start.
This
is
really
just
looking
ahead
to
December
on
our
work
schedule.
We've
got
a
I'm
looking
at
business
support
down,
which
is
something
that
I
asked
for
in
last
year's
Municipal
year.
I.
Think
for
that
it
would
be
really
useful
for
us
to
know
which
businesses
are
what
types
of
businesses
are
scaling
up
and
which
aren't
the
number
of
business.
C
C
You
know
how's
that
looking
so
I
think
the
kind
of
percentage
of
businesses
that
are
scaling
up
that
could
that
could
scale
up,
is
useful
and
where
they
are
and
what
type
of
businesses
they
are
they
retail
are
they
manufacturing
that
kind
of
thing
and
from
there
we
can
understand
their
needs.
I
mean
I'm
saying
all
of
this,
bearing
in
mind
counts,
surprise
comments
earlier
about
how
much
support
we
could
possibly
give
people
given
the
funding
situation,
and
maybe
it's
not
all
on
the
council
in
a
way.
C
Maybe
there's
people
we
can
Lobby
or
other
things
we
can
do,
but
I
would
be
really
interested
in
having
a
much
more
in-depth
discussion
about
the
factors
that
affect
business
scale-ups,
in
particular
in
our
December
work
schedule.
Thanks.
O
O
Even
if
you
look
at
sick
codes,
you
can't
necessarily
to
tell
the
nature
of
what
the
business
is,
and
so
we
have,
in
the
past,
done
bits
of
work
with
an
organization
called
the
data
City
who
take
a
completely
different
approach
and
help
you
kind
of
look
at
data
through
different
sources
through
scraping
the
web
and
other
ways
to
be
able
to
see
those
areas.
So
I'll
look
into
our
ability
to
be
able
to
do
some
work
with
them
before
December.
O
So
we
can
use
that
to
give
you
kind
of
a
bit
of
a
bit
of
a
picture
on
that
as
scrutiny
and
and
then
I
think
it
will
probably
be
also
useful
in
December.
If
some
evidence
is
brought
by
the
combined
Authority,
as
well
as
my
team,
because
the
combined
Authority
play
a
really
significant
role
in
business
support
and
run
a
number
of
business
support
programs
that
are
operated
at
the
regional
level.
So
I
think
that
would
probably
be
useful
chair.
C
Thanks,
it's
really
useful
context
and
just
a
follow-up,
quick
follow-up
question
is:
is
there
much
kind
of
qualitative
evidence
available?
Do
we
are
there?
Are
there
surveys
of
smes
and
in
needs
or
whatever
that
we
can
draw
on
just
to
get
a
sense
from
what
the
businesses
think
of
factors
affecting
their
ability
to
scale
up
or
not.
O
So
the
chamber
do
a
really
helpful
quarterly
economic
survey,
which
gives
us
some
indicators
about
a
bit
of
a
barometer
for
how
businesses
are
feeling
it's
of
their
members.
But
it's
very
useful
because
it
gives
you
kind
of
a
sense
of
business
confidence
and
the
areas
they're
concerned
about,
for
example,
flagging
issues
around
trade
and
so
on,
and
it's
always
been
very
useful.
O
So
I'm
happy
to
send
a
note
to
to
make
sure
that
scrutiny
committee
members
know
where
to
find
that
information
and
and
can
be
alerted
when
those
Publications
come
out
on
a
quarterly
basis.
J
Thank
you
sure,
on
business
startups,
I
realized
that
some
Wards
are
almost
entirely
residential
and
therefore
will
not
have
many
businesses
within
them
mine's
a
classic
example
of
that,
but
I
was
interested
that
gipton
and
her
health,
which
we
we
heard
about,
was
down
as
an
unemployment
black
spot
if
you
like,
but
on
the
other
hand,
it
has
the
most
startups
in
all
of
all
the
wards
and
I
just
wondered
what
kind
of
startups
typically
are
these.
O
So
chair,
this
is
something
that
councilor
trusswell
had
an
eye
on
the
previous
chair
of
the
committee,
and
we
did
take
a
look
at
this
a
number
of
years
ago
with
the
university,
because
this
has
been
something
where
I
get
to
the
hills
have
stood
out
and
that
research
suggested
some
hot
spotting
in
relation
to
where
accountancies
registered
offices
had
set
up
and
that
or
where
an
accountant
was
working
from
home.
O
So
you
would
get
a
high
number
of
businesses
potentially
using
the
office
address
of
an
accountancy
as
their
registered
business
address.
So
that
is
why
that
area
is
an
outlier,
but
it's
also
likely
that
in
a
high
area
of
unemployment,
you
may
have
more
people
choosing
a
route
of
self-employment,
so
I
would
suspect,
It's
a
combination
of
those
those
things
cancel
up.
A
H
Yeah
I
guess
a
couple
quick
things:
I
was
surprised
at
the
threshold
for
scale
up
with
20
is
20
because
that's
quite
meteoric
about
most
business
growth,
stats
now
I.
Imagine
there's
a
lot
of
businesses
which
are
growing
quite
well,
are
indeed
suffering.
You
know,
because
we
are
entering
Affairs
of
your
increased
rents,
increased
energy
increased
everything
which
isn't
shown
in
these
steps.
Yet
I,
don't
think
so
it's
more!
It's
just
a
comment
on
the
20
seems
seems
quite
High,
I
guess.
H
The
other
point
is:
is
that
just
because
you
live
in
an
area
of
higher
high
residential
rather
than
classical,
businesses
doesn't
necessarily
mean
you
don't
have
many
registered
businesses,
because
many
Professional
Services
work.
You
know
people
work
from
home
and
work
work
remotely.
So
the
you
know
I
know
in
my
ward
there
are
a
lot
of
businesses
that
are
registered
from
domestic
properties,
there's
a
short
sense
of
office
space.
But
that's
another
issue.
A
Thank
you,
I.
Take
it
that's
a
comment
or
is
that
a
question?
Is
it
that's
a
comment
all
right?
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay
can
I
ask
Eve
in
terms
of
post-brexit,
you
know
what
would
you
say
that
has
been
the
impact
in
terms
of
businesses
in
the
city?
Have
we
seen
any
significant
impact.
O
So
I
think
the
main,
sometimes
sometimes
it's
difficult
to
extract
some
of
the
implications
of
the
war
in
Ukraine
from
from
leaving
the
EU
but
I
think
the
main
things
that
are
specific
to
leaving
the
EU
is
a
reported
challenge
in
trading
and
the
levels
of
kind
of
process
and
checks
that
need
to
be
followed,
which
can
then
create
extendedly
times
on
on
Supply
chains.
So
there's
a
particular
impact
on
manufacturing
reported
by
the
manufacturing
Alliance.
O
In
terms
of
in
terms
of
that,
and
you
know
anecdotally,
if
you
speak
to
businesses,
a
lot
of
businesses
are
putting
off
increasing
International
Trade
just
at
the
moment,
because
they
perceive
the
barriers
to
be
quite
high
in
terms
of
the
effort
required
to
undertake
that
trade,
so
I
think
we
we
could
bring.
We
could
look
at
the
data
a
bit
more
and
and
bring
that
back
happy
to,
but
that
that's
kind
of
more
of
an
anecdotal
response
to
the
question.
P
Additionally,
a
large
sector
that,
that's
again
anecdotal,
that's
been
reported
to
me.
A
lot
is
around
the
cultural
sector
and
performers,
which
has
limited
the
number
of
performers
who
will
come
to
the
UK
due
to
the
the
the
additional
admin
that
needs
to
be
done,
but
actually
it's
also
reduced
the
opportunities
of
Leeds
residents
to
to
tour
and
go
abroad
more.
So,
even
though
that
wouldn't
necessarily
appear
in
our
reports,
because
they'd
be
working
outside
of
Leeds,
it's
still
about
the
opportunities
of
those
these
residents
and
those
have
been
fewer
since.
O
And
councilor
Pryor
speaking,
has
just
reminds
me
that,
certainly
from
a
Financial
and
Professional
Services
point
of
view,
there's
a
feeling
that
there's
an
opportunity
to
capitalize
on
leaving
the
EU
in
terms
of
regulation
in
the
UK
that
hasn't
yet
been
kind
of
harnessed
and
picked
up.
So
there's
also
some
areas
where
opportunities
are
being
seen,
but
the
the
work
to
kind
of
maybe
take
advantage
of
those
opportunities
hasn't
yet
come
through,
perhaps
because
a
lot
of
time
had
to
be
spent
in
responding
to
the
covid-19
pandemic.
O
H
Again
more
of
a
comment,
my
background
is
in
manufacturing
for
many
years
and
I
think
the
big
effect
on
brexit
is
that
is
a
slow
effect,
because
if
you
are
choosing
where
to
build
a
new
facility
or
a
new
Factory,
are
you
going
to
put
it
in
a
location
where
80
of
your
client
base
are?
Oh
we're
20
there
and
it's
much
easier.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
just
one
more
question,
Eve
in
terms
of
the
trends
for
the
different
sectors
in
the
city
that
are
thriving
and
obviously
those
who
are
currently
experiencing.
You
know
the
economic
downturn
that
we
currently
have
and
what
would
you
say
still
showing
digital
Financial?
What
is
it.
O
So
so
again,
please
forgive
me.
This
is
more
anecdotal,
I'm
happy
to
follow
up
with
the
committee
on
hard
data
to
help
to
help,
but
indicatively
I'd
say
there
were
significant
challenges.
We
understand
them,
obviously
in
Hospitality
and
on
and
Leisure
in
the
sense
of
increasing
costs,
significant
debt
taken
on
during
covid-19,
which
businesses
didn't
plan
for
which
they're
having
to
service
and
also
obviously
I
think
in
the
next
few
months,
we're
likely
to
see
coming
through
the
implications
of
the
the
mortgage.
O
We
are
still
still
in
Leeds,
very
successful
across
a
range
of
economies
which
which
actually
should
help
those
other
sectors
as
well,
because
of
because
of
those
being
strong
and
that's
the
advantage
of
us
having
a
broad-based
economy
and
why
we
recovered
well
from
the
last
recession.
So
the
digital
sector
is
still
is
still
buoyant,
although
we
are
seeing
a
reduction
in
the
numbers
of
vacancies
that
they
are
advertising.
So
it's
not
a
complete.
O
You
know
the
Boom
in
that
sector
during
covid
is
slowing
a
little
but
still
very
buoyant,
and
there
are
a
number
of
digital
companies
still
choosing
leads
as
a
location
to
to
locate
their
businesses,
not
least
recently
cognizant
Global,
us
company
and
fast.
You
know
recruiting
really
quickly
in
the
city
and
pexa.
An
Australian
company
who's
chosen
leads
to
locate,
who
are
major
disruptor
in
the
mortgage
Market
process
to
speed
that
up
remortgaging.
O
Despite
the
challenges,
there
is
a
lot
of
optimism
in
the
manufacturing
sector
in
the
city
and
I,
think
that
goes
partly
to
the
culture
I
think
of
our
businesses
in
the
city
around
what
they,
you
know
believe
belief
in
their
own
businesses
and
their
strength
and
what
they
do
and
adaptability,
and
but
that's
my
feeling
from
the
manufacturing,
Alliance
and
attending
events
with
them
and
met
UK
in
the
city,
but
again
chair.
We
can
happily
in
in
some
of
our
reports
coming
through
over
the
year.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
also
note
that
the
data
that
we
have
received
is
for
2021,
which
I'll
say
is
relatively
quite
old,
so
are
we
looking
for?
Do
we
know
when
we're
going
to
have
an
updated
report
on
the
on
other
indicators?
Have
you
got
that
that
will
illustrate
the
current
trends
that
we
currently
are
having.
Q
Certainly
for
the
number
of
business
scale-ups,
the
2022
figures
are
anticipated
in
February
2024,
so
it's
acknowledged
a
quite
out
of
date
and
there's
a
certain
lag
due
to
delays
in
businesses
submitting
filing
accounts
for
occlusion
for
inclusion.
Sorry,
the
direct
data
is
direct
from
ons,
so
we'll
get
it
when
it's
released.
Thank
you.
A
R
R
If,
if
we
look
at
the
the
graph
that's
presented
on
page
43,
you'll
see
a
gradual
growth
in
the
number
of
homes
delivery
over
the
last
nine
ten
year
period
and
that
in
the
last
few
years
we
have
delivered
overall
against
that
core
strategy.
Target
I
think
for
the
period
April
to
December
22.
So
we're
reporting
three
quarters
here.
The
delivery
is
2073.
R
So,
whilst
we're
not
reporting
on
the
fourth
quarter
at
this
point
in
time,
I
think
the
expectation
is
that
we
will
fall
short
of
that
3247
for
this
year
and
I
think
taking
a
step
back.
People
might
say
that's
quite
surprising,
given
the
amount
of
cranes
that
are
on
the
horizon
and
as
the
report
outlines
in
front
of
you,
there
are
over
a
hundred
sites
under
construction
in
the
city.
R
I
think
I
think
my
analysis
would
be
that
a
large
part
of
our
delivery
currently
is
on
City
Center
apartment
style
developments,
which,
rather
than
volume
traditional
house
building,
isn't
delivered
in
individual
homes.
It's
delivered
on
block
where,
for
example,
the
Guinness
partnership
are
currently
constructing
a
thousand
units.
Latitude
purple
are
delivering
655,
so
yeah
I've
got
about
350
on
site
at
Quarry
Hill,
so
that
gives
it
quite
a
lumpy
delivery,
profile
and
I.
R
Think
what
we're
seeing
here
in
terms
of
this
year,
and
particularly
quarter
one
for
this
reporting
period,
where
there
was
only
535,
delivered,
it's
probably
a
hangover
from
the
pandemic
in
terms
of
those
big
schemes
delaying
a
start,
and
that
means
that
there's
that
they've
shunted
forward
into
forward
into
next
year
in
terms
of
their
delivery
and
I,
would
expect
that
next
year
we
will
have
a
very
strong
year
in
terms
of
delivery
which
takes
account
of
that
lag
Factor.
Thank
you.
Chair.
A
Thank
you
very
much
Martin
comments
or
questions.
Counselor
hatbrick.
H
I
guess
just
picking
up
because,
like
I
said
that
this
is
homes
delivered,
isn't
it
but,
as
you
say,
it's
I'll
call
it
a
sausage
machine,
but
there's
a
pipeline
of
homes
and
I
was
wondering
whether
it
might
be
useful
to,
although
there'll
be
a
degree
of
imprecision
with
it,
to
map
that
out
as
to
homes
that
are
already
you
know,
not
in
conceptual
level
I.
You
know
it's
been
proposed,
but
actually,
where
you
know
ground
has
been
broken
and
they
are
on
the
route
to
being
delivered.
S
So
the
report
I
think
says
that
there's
24
000
odd
homes
that
are
available
in
the
short
term,
so
that's
made
up
of
around
15
000
homes,
with
planning
permission
and
7
000
homes
that
are
actually
under
construction.
So
it's
those
seven
thousand
homes
under
construction,
which
is,
as
Martin
said,
some
of
that's
quite
blocky
that
we're
expecting
to
see
coming
forward
over
the
next
few
years,
but
with
those
15
000
homes
that
have
got
planning
permission
coming
swiftly.
S
After
that
and
then
back
there
there's
about
1500
homes
without
line
planning
permission,
which
will
then
get
translated
into
a
sort
of
more
formal
planning
permission.
So
so
so
so
the
pipeline
is
looking
quite
healthy.
A
R
I
think
our
initial
out
term
would
be
2704,
but
that's
not
that's
not
audited
yet,
but
that's
probably
where
we're
going
to
end
up
so
we'll
be
short
by
about
500.
yeah.
So
I
was
just
going
to
say
that,
in
terms
of
the
the
process
that
was
asked
in
the
question
is
is
exactly
what
we
do
and
particularly
with
regard
to
these
large
developments
and
very
much
where
we
track.
Are
they
going
to
come
in
a
particular
year
or
are
they
going
to
slip
over
into
the
next
year?
R
Because
that's
a
major
determinant
on
these
figures
in
terms
of
how
many
you
deliver
in
a
year.
So
you
know,
as
I
said,
the
likes
of
the
Guinness
partnership.
Evans
halshaw,
which
is
in
the
latter
stages
of
development,
will
deliver
a
thousand
units
latitude
purple
delivered
their
topping
out
ceremony
in
May,
so
we'd
expect
that
to
deliver
in
this
year
at
655
units.
So
we
we're
looking
at
those
scales
of
development
to
see
which
year
they
would
fit
in
and
that.
A
R
So
so
nationally,
we
historically
in
the
last
few
years
have
been
in
the
top
one
percent
of
delivery,
the
top
three.
If
you
went
back
three
or
four
years,
the
top
delivering
Authority
was
Tower
hamlets.
What
you've,
seen
and
Birmingham
was
strong.
What
you've
seen
recently
is
Birmingham
remains
strong,
although
Leeds
does
does
very
well
in
comparison
to
that,
but
also
Manchester
and
Salford,
with
a
very
high
level
of
delivery.
So
Leeds
tends
to
be
third,
fourth
or
fifth
in
terms
of
national
delivery
of
new
homes.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Members
you're
all
happy
yeah,
good,
okay
right,
let's
go
on
to
the
number
of
affordable
homes
delivered
that's
on
page
43.,.
A
So
we
also
note
that
the
leads,
affordable
housing
growth,
partnership,
action
plans
and
leads
local
plan
plan
for
2040
are
due
to
come
back
to
the
board
later
in
the
municipal
year.
So
just
for
members
to
note
that
so
Martini
is
there
anything
you
would
like
to
come
back
on
on
that
item.
Please.
R
Well,
just
in
terms
of
current
delivery.
So
what
we're
showing
here
is
the
period
April
to
December
2022.
So
we've
got
three
quarters
of
the
year
so
over
that
period,
408,
affordable
homes
delivered,
which
contrasts
with
331
in
the
same
period
for
2021.
So
that's
an
increase
of
77
and
that
408
homes
delivered
com
for
three
quarters,
compares
to
the
in-year
annual
Target
of
434,
but
then
set
against
that
we
have
the
backlog
of
796,
which
represents
the
the
assessed
need
in
the
city.
R
R
One
is
the
good
work
we've
done
in
terms
of
Brownfield
housing
fund
and
and
bringing
schemes
forward,
utilizing
that
money
that
we
get
from
the
West
Yorkshire
combined
Authority
we've
brought
forward
proposals
of
utilizing
our
own
land
and
that
led
to
the
start
on
Railway
Street
last
month
of
54
new
homes,
which
will
be
100
social
rent,
utilizing
our
land
and
then
the
Strategic
Partnerships
that
we've
fostered
in
terms
of
our
relationship
with
Holmes,
England
and
then
developers.
So
the
Guinness
partnership
that
I
referred
to
earlier.
A
R
On
affordable
housing,
yeah
Barbara,
our
affordable
housing
is
predominantly
Brownfield
in
in
nature,
and
that
continues
so.
We've
just
brought
forward
the
copperfields
college
site
as
a
Brownfield
sighting
Council
ownership
seeking
an
enhanced
level
of
affordable
housing
and
we've
also
recently
marketed
our
Meadow
Lane
site
in
the
city
center
again.
R
Looking
for
an
enhanced
level
of
affordable
housing
as
a
reuse
of
what
was
former
Highway
land
as
a
good
use
of
Brownfield
land
and
both
of
those
are
trying
to
deliver
additional
for
affordable
housing,
as
is
Railway
Street
in
and
around
the
city
center.
As
a
key
area
of
activity.
A
Thank
you
very
much
in
terms
of
our
right
to
buy
scheme.
I
believe
I
did
ask
that
question
at
the
briefing
that
I
had
with
yourself.
Do
we
have
any
data
on
that
one
in
terms
of
the
impact
and
of
houses
that
we're
buying
back
as
a
council.
R
R
I
Thank
you
just
touching
on
the
the
backlog
figure
796
per
annum,
so
it's
not
just
needed
for
this
year.
That's
per
annum!
How
many
homes
would
you
need
to
provide
affordable
homes
to
turn
that
figure
to
zero.
I
S
I
think
we
can
get
back
to
you
on
that
Council
Foster,
but
I
think
I,
think
the
figures
are
equalized
throughout
the
the
plan
period
for
the
for
the
course
strategy,
but
I
think
what's
also
important
to
understand
about
the
the
796.
S
Is
that
was
a
point
in
time:
backlog
figure
from
the
last
housing
market
assessment
and
the
council's
currently
engaged
in
new
evidence
in
terms
of
looking
at
whether
there's
unmet
needs
within
the
city
as
it
stands
now,
so
there
will
be
a
new
historic
under
provisioned
figure
that
will
be
available
as
part
of
Lee's
local
plan
2040.
But
I
can
clarify
the
point
about
whether
it's
a
10-year
remedy
or
or
a
15
one.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
residential
development
developments
built
built
to
require
accessible
and
adapt
adaptable
standards.
Should
we
have
an
ambition
for
a
greater
number
of
accessible
new
properties,
Martin.
S
Thanks
Joe
I
can
pick
this
one
up
so
in
the
course
strategy,
selective
review
in
2019,
the
council
introduced
a
new
policy
around
access
to
housing
in
line
with
the
requirements
set
out
in
government
building
regulations,
the
houses
to
be
accessible
to
those
you
know
in
a
wheelchair,
and
whether
those
homes
should
be
wheelchair,
accessible
or
or
fully
sort
of
we
wheelchair
hit
it
out
for
people
who
are
in
a
wheelchair
and
various
standards
have
been
set.
S
There's
taken
a
couple
of
years
to
actually
see
the
completions
of
these
houses
come
through
the
system,
but
we're
actually
seeing
a
really
positive
result
into
in
terms
of
meeting
that
that
Target
I
should
also
say
that
this
will
be
a
factor
within
the
Leeds
local
plan
2040
and
because
the
target's
been
well
met
and
actually
some
developers
are
actually
going
a
hundred
percent
meeting
these
affordable
homes.
The
council
can
consider
whether
to
actually
extend
that
Target
now
and
through
its
next
plan
review.
A
Excellent,
thank
you
Martin,
any
other
questions
or
comments.
Okay,
moving
on
to
number
nine
progress,
eight
score
for
leads
at
the
end
of
key
stage.
Four,
so
that's
on
page
47
and,
like
Becky
said
we
haven't,
got
any
of
the
offices
available,
but
counselor
prior
is
able
to
help
us
out
today
so
over
to
you,
councilor
prayer.
P
Thank
you,
chair,
I'm,
happy
to
talk
through
this.
So
for
those
who
aren't
aware
of
the
different
ways
we
measure
children's
progress
at
school
progress,
eight
scores.
Look
at
the
progress
children
have
made
from
the
end
of
key
stage
two
to
key
stage.
Four,
so
that's
end
of
primary
school
to
the
end
of
secondary
school.
P
It
differs
slightly
from
attainment,
so
attainment
looks
at
kind
of
the
raw
figures
of
of
what
grades
children
have
achieved.
What
progress
8
looks
at
is
their
expected
level
of
development.
So
if
you
have
a
positive
progress,
eight
score
children
have
made
a
greater
than
expected
level
of
development.
If
you
have
a
negative
progress,
eight
score,
you
have
less
than
unexpected,
looks
violent
and
zero
would
mean
you
have
kind
of
followed
on
track.
P
All
of
the
scores
are
relative
to
the
say
to
the
children
in
that
Year's
cohort,
and
so
it's
difficult
to
compare
it
year
on
year,
but
you
can
compare
whether
you
are
consistently
doing
better
or
worse.
Leeds
is
doing
incredibly
well
on
on
progress.
Eight.
We
are
as
a
report
State
33rd
out
of
all
local
authorities.
P
That
puts
us
in
the
top
quartile
what
that
means
is
our
schools
are
doing
a
phenomenal
job
of
achieving
better
than
expected
results
for
for
our
children
and
young
people
over
the
course
of
their
Secondary
School
careers.
P
Hopefully,
this
will
lead
to
them
being
better
prepared
for
for
future
careers
in
in
the
city
and
their
future
lives.
I'll.
Leave
it
there
for
introductory
comments,
but
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
H
Thanks
for
that
introduction,
councilor,
prior
and
obviously
wanting
to
get
to
the
food
as
well.
I
was
a
school
Governor
at
Brookshire
for
many
years,
and
one
of
the
statistics
that
always
used
to
haunt
me
and
it's
the
same
across
the
the
UK,
is
the
difference
in
attainment
and
achievement
which
obviously
feeds
into
progress.
H
A
between
disadvantage
looks
after
kids,
and
you
know,
non-disadvantages
looks
after
looked
after
kids
and
they'd
be
curious
as
to
obviously
it's
not
covered
in
these
numbers,
but
I'm
sure
you're,
very
aware
of
the
statistical
as
a
city
we're
performing,
because,
obviously
you
know
schools
budgets
has
been
cut
and
over
you
know,
over
the
last
decade
or
two
and
funding
funding
is
tight,
so
I'd
be
curious
as
a
city
are
we
doing
everything
that
we
can
for
the
most
disadvantaged.
P
Yes,
so
a
lot
of
the
figures
that
go
into
a
deeper
dive,
for
this
obviously
go
to
the
the
children
scrutiny
as
well,
and
we
do
have
those
figures
specifically
around
progress
for
children
with
additional
needs.
We
keep
the
figures
for
Children
looked
after
as
well,
so
there
are
a
whole
different
number
of
metrics
you're,
absolutely
right.
It
is
a
real
challenge
at
the
moment
to
to
provide
kind
of
the
right
level
of
Education
that
children
with
scnd
need
the
way
lock.
P
Schools
are
funded,
it's
a
mixture
of
the
school's
block
which
schools
block
funding,
which
funds
most
schooling
and
then
the
high
needs
block,
which
then
provides
money
for
children
with
additional
needs.
At
the
moment.
There's
a
cap
on
gains
so,
as
leads
is
increasing
in
population.
The
government
recognizes
that
we
need
more
funding,
but
from
the
cap
on
gains
refuses
to
give
it
to
us.
This
affects
a
number
of
local
authorities
around
the
country.
I
think
it
affects
our
own
quarter
of
local
authorities
around
the
country.
It
means
that
the
government
recognizes
we.
P
We
need
about
20
million
pounds
more
a
year
to
to
provide
a
decent
education
for
children
with
scnd
and
then
doesn't
give
it
to
us.
It's
something
I've
raised
with
I,
think
all
of
the
collection
of
Secretary,
of
States
for
Education
we've
had
over
the
past
few
years,
and
some
of
them
reply
to
my
letters
saying
no,
some
of
them
don't
even
reply
to
the
letter,
but
it
the
the
full
information
on
where
we
are
with
kind
of
progress.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
You're
happy
cancer,
hatbrook,
okay
in
terms
of
obviously
looking
at
the
send
as
well.
It
would
be
good
if
we
actually
have
got
the
reports,
particularly
for
that
and
also
children
with
English
as
an
additional
or
a
second
language,
so
that
will
really
really
help
us
I
know
you
don't
have
that
now,
but
I
I'm,
hoping
that
you
could
provide
that
to
us
at
some
point.
P
Yeah,
just
a
ratio
that
that's
captured
as
well
and
I'm
happy
to
ensure
that
the
annual
standards
report
is.
It
can
be
circulated
to
all
members
here.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
what
would
you
say
has
been
the
impact
of
children
who
were
not
able
to
be
in
school
during
the
coveted
pandemic
in
terms
of
your
progress,
eight.
That
would
be
helpful
if
you
could
just
shed
some
light
to
that.
Please.
P
It's
it's
hard
to
say
so.
Progress
8
wasn't
measured
in
the
for
two
years.
During
the
pandemic,
it
wasn't
there
was
Data
collected,
but
it's
not
been
presented
in
the
same
way,
because
it's
because
they
were
teacher
assessed
grades,
it
wasn't
right
to
to
compare
schools
in
the
same
way
that
they
they
usually
are
because
there'd
be
so
many
discrepancies,
I,
I,
think
the
greatest
impact
of
the
the
pandemic,
and
we
and
I've
seen
this
one
I've
gone
around
a
lot
of
schools.
It's
been
the
increase
in
need
from
a
lot
of
pupils.
P
Those
children
who
had
perhaps
low
level
needs
where
they
perhaps
didn't
need.
Any
hcp
probably
now
need
one
those
children
who
had
a
medium
level
of
needs.
Those
needs
are
even
greater.
It's
almost
if
a
lot
of
children
have
kind
of
moved
up
a
a
stage
when
we've
spoken
to
a
lot
of
primary
schools
when
those
their
new
reception
cohorts
have
actually
spent
the
majority
of
their
life
in
some
level
of
restriction.
There
are
issues
with
personal
development
and
there's
huge
different
chance
of
child.
P
If
a
child
has
had
siblings,
they've
had
a
wildly
different
experience
of
lockdowns
to
if
the
child's
been
an
only
child,
if
their
parent
has
been
working
on
the
front
line
and
going
out
and
again
those
those
child's
experiences
have
been
wildly
different,
but
we
are
seeing
a
lot
of
children
coming
through
who
are
behind
where
you
would
expect
them
on
their
level
of
development.
I,
genuinely,
don't
think
we're
going
to
see
the
full
impact
of
covid
on
young
children
and
young
people
for
decades
to
come.
P
I,
don't
think
it's
something
that
will
just
finish:
I
I
think
universities
and
others
will
be
studying
the
impact
of
this
for
a
long
time
to
come.
It
remains
to
be
seen
what
happens
when
those
cohorts
reach
the
jobs
Market
in
15
20
years
time.
P
P
One
area
and
sorry
I'm
aware
we're
creeping
into
another
treatment
boards
remix,
but
one
area
where
we
are
really
struggling
and
actually
every
every
local
Authority
in
the
country
is
struggling
at
the
moment,
is
in
getting
through
ehcps
I'm
sure
all
of
you
have
had
casework
around
that
just
from
the
sheer
volume
of
and
the
increase
in
pupils
requesting
them
in
Leeds.
We
do
do
things
slightly
differently.
P
We
release
an
amount
of
funding
to
ensure
that
schools
can
be
funded
to
provide
additional
support
for
children
with
additional
needs
before
they
get
any
hcp
in
a
lot
of
local
authorities
that
unlocking
the
funds
only
is
achieved.
Once
people
have
have
that
plan
in
place,
we
ensure
that
some
funding
is
available
prior
to
that,
because
every
child
is
different.
There
is
not
it's.
You
know.
If
two
channels
have
additional
needs,
they
are
going
to
be
different.
P
You
know
you
have
to
make
sure
that
there
is
that
bespoke
support,
so
we
do
ensure
that
that
funding
isn't
locked
sooner
but
I'm
also
aware
that
there's
a
lot
more
work,
we
have
to
do
and
it's
it's
something.
We
are
working
quite
hard
to
get
on
top
of.
A
Excellent,
thank
you
very
much,
councilor
Pryor.
On
that
backdrop,
I
did
mention
a
bit
of
it
in
our
premium
to
all
members
and
I
did
speak
with
Shaheen.
A
In
my
brief,
with
herself
trying
to
get
around
our
agenda
and
I
would
wish
to
seek
a
former
agreement
from
yourself
for
us
to
formally
recommend
to
the
children
board.
So
obviously
this
is
in
their
room
in
hours,
but
obviously
we're
also
interested
in
that
to
recommend
that
the
children
and
families
scrutiny
board.
Consider
the
progress
eight
on
the
send
cohort,
and
hopefully,
if
one
or
two
of
us
from
this
board
can
actually
attend.
That
particular
meeting
is
that
something
that
I
can
get
an
agreement
from
all
of
yourselves
today?
Excellent.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
councilor
Pryor,
for
intervening
on
that
for
us
today.
Okay,
I
really
do
not
want
to
keep
us
very
long.
It's
Eid
today
and
we
have
some
members
celebrating
Eid
amongst
us.
So
don't
worry,
counselors
I'm
going
to
do
as
much
as
possible
to
make
sure
we've
been
to
all
of
you
who
are
celebrating
today
right
straight
to
number
10,
the
number
of
people
killed
or
seriously
injured
in
road
traffic
collisions
and
that's
page
48
I'm
councilor
Wilson
did
you
want
to
come
in
here?
C
R
If,
if
I
just
provide
a
brief
overview
chair,
so
this
is
the
number
of
people
who
are
killed
or
seriously
injured
in
road
traffic
collisions
in
Leeds,
the
indicator
for
the
whole
population
is
122
people
between
January,
23
and
March
23
that
compares
to
133
for
the
same
period
in
2022,
so
a
reduction
of
11.
R
There
was
a
reduction
in
one
in
the
period
from
16
in
23
January
to
March,
as
opposed
to
17
in
January
to
March,
22
and
that's
is
set
against
a
backdrop
of
an
average
of
106
people
in
that
same
quarter
over
the
period
of
2015
to
2019.,
so
that
the
the
graphs
that
you
see
on
page
50
tend
to
show
a
stubborn
resilience
to
those
figures
over
the
long
term,
going
back
to
2004
a
drop
during
the
pandemic
as
a
consequence
of
a
reduction
in
road
traffic
activity.
R
But
then
a
concerning
increase
that
you
see
post-pandemic
and
in
terms
of
then
just
by
way
of
introduction.
One
of
the
main
approaches
that
we
have
to
try
and
Tackle.
This
is
through
the
vision,
zero
strategy
which
the
council
formally
adopted
in
September
2022,
alongside
a
wider
West
Yorkshire
initiative,
which
is
chaired
by
the
deputy
mayor
and
in
the
report,
it
covers
a
series
of
actions
that
we're
currently
pursuing.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
okay
members.
Just
to
let
you
just
to
note
that
we
actually
have
the
Vision
zero
down
as
an
agenda
item
for
our
our
September
meeting,
so
we
would
go
into
more
detail
in
that.
So
do
you
want
to
come
in
with
your
question
now
yeah.
Please
do.
C
That's
good
to
know
about
September's
meeting
quick
question
on
operation
snap,
which
is
mentioned
in
there
used
users
training,
but
my
understanding
is
that
it's,
it
can
also
be
footage
provided
by
cyclists,
can
also
be
used
by
the
police.
Is
that
right,
I
I,
know,
I,
know
a
few
cyclists
who
are
quite
zealous
users
of
that
and
I
think.
C
Sometimes
their
experience
is
that
they
send
it
in
to
the
police,
but
don't
necessarily
hear
back
or
so
I
wondered
if
you
know
a
bit
more
about
how
that's
used
and
also
whether
it
has
any
you
just
your
thoughts
read
on
whether
it
has
any
use
to
us
in
terms
of
even
just
the
number
of
incidents
reported
on
operation
snap
using
that
as
an
indicator
for
where
there
might
be
dangerous,
driving.
T
Perhaps
if
I
come
in
there,
so
I'm
Gary,
Bartlett,
I'm,
chief
officer
for
highways
and
transportation,
yes,
footage
from
dash
cams
cameras
that
cyclists
wear
can
be
uploaded
into
the
system
now
into
the
the
police
operations
and
that's
actively
encouraged.
T
At
a
recent
meeting,
a
police
colleague
was
outlining
the
sort
of
percentage
success
rate
in
terms
of
pursuing
cases
where
that
had
been
provided.
That
information
had
been
provided
and
it,
and
it
was
quite
High-
I-
think
that
from
memory
I
think
it
was
about
70
percent.
So
obviously
I
don't
know
how
many
what
the
absolute
volume
of
submissions
have
been
made
and
whether
that
was
70
of
all
of
them
or
just
the
ones
that
they
had
pursued.
T
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Gary
I
did
remember
in
the
brief
I
did
ask
as
well
in
terms
of
demographics
award
the
number
of
incidences
that
you
have
I'm,
not
sure
have
you
got
that
information
today
or
I'm
happy
for
you
to?
Oh
that's
your
question.
Oh
I'm.
Sorry.
T
A
Thank
you,
and
that
was
also
councilor
Hamilton's
question
in
but
I've
said
it
for
her.
Thank
you.
Yeah
Council
Wilson.
C
Yeah,
so
just
very
quickly
come
in
again
as
well.
I'm
also
thinking
about
September,
there's
a
quite
a
bit
about
the
new
camera
rules
about
deploying
cameras,
it'd
be
really
interesting
to
look
in
more
depth
about
that
and
the
impact
that's
had
and
also
in
particular,
something
I'm
interested
in
is,
if
putting
cameras
in
is
an
effective
intervention
as
well
as
other
interventions
like
lowering
speed
limit
or
what
what
have
you?
C
What
are
the
barriers
to
us
doing?
More
of
that
I
mean
I'm.
Assuming
funding
is
a
huge
one
and
are
there
does,
for
example,
active
travel
England?
Are
they
willing
to
fund
more
of
that
kind
of
thing,
or
is
that
not
the
sort
of
thing
they're
interested
in
funding
and
also
are
there
legal
barriers
and
I?
Just
think
that
would
be
useful
to
look
at
in
more
detail
in
September
and
and
also
the
kind
of
this
kpi
is
so
important
for
killed
or
seriously
injured.
C
But
we
also
know
that,
when
residents
have
fears
about
a
road,
maybe
more
from
slight
slight
collisions
or
near-misses,
they
will
stop
walking
and
cycling
in
that
area.
So
it
has
a
kind
of
chilling
effect
as
well,
so
that
indicator
isn't
doesn't
give
a
full
picture
of
how
dangerous
a
road
is,
because
the
danger
obviously
just
puts
people
off
as
well,
so
whether
those
kind
of
that
less
serious
kpi
can
also
be
used
to
to
justify
camera
interventions
or
or
if
not,
what
are
the
barriers
to
that.
But
I.
T
Thank
you
for
the
questions.
Yeah
I'm,
certainly
not
going
to
cover
all
that
now,
but
just
a
couple
of
points,
if
I
may,
the
last
point
is
is
really
interesting
in
terms
of
damage
only
accidents
or
collisions.
T
We
we
use
the
information
that
the
police
record,
because
there
is
some
level
of
rigor
and
robustness
around
it
and
for
every
recorded
Collision
there's
in
some
places
there
might
be
10
damage
only
in
some
locations
there
might
be
hundreds
in
some
very
busy
Urban
environments,
and
it's
how
you
collate
that
information
data
statistically
soundly
is
a
problem,
but
but
nevertheless
the
point
I
wanted
to
make
is
Martin
made
reference
to
Vision
zero
and
that
is
changing
our
our
whole
approach
to
Road
Safety,
because
in
the
past
it
was
a
matter
of
right.
T
Well,
where
have
the
collisions
of
curd
historically,
and
what
can
we
do
to
have
solved
those
and
put
in
a
junction,
Improvement
or
whatever?
What
Vision
zero
is
about
is
probably
bringing
it
all
forward
the
View
and
taken
into
account
lots
of
data
and
intelligence.
That's
out
there
from
members
from
residents
from
the
police
and
trying
to
stop
these
collisions
occurring
in
the
first
place.
So
that's
a
massive
shift
doesn't
mean
we
won't.
We
will
still
do
those
reactive
schemes,
but
we've
got
to
move
into
this
sort
of
front-end
approach
as
well.
T
T
T
It's
just
a
fact,
but
because
of
the
good
work
that
my
colleagues
in
traffic
engineering
have
done
and
transportation
and
with
the
police,
we
may
be
able
to
bring
this
new,
flexible
and
more
adaptable
approach
forward
in
West
Yorkshire.
That
will
see
more
deployments
of
mobile
and
fixed
cameras,
but
also
near
Horsemen
in
the
very
near
future.
T
The
first
average
speed
camera
system
in
West
Yorkshire,
which
we
are
hoping,
will
have
a
real
benefit
in
terms
of
road
safety,
but
there
are
lots
of
questions
there,
we'll
try
and
cover
them
off
in
the
September
meeting.
Okay,.
M
Yeah
just
I
mean
Gary's
covered
it
all
I
just
want
to
say
how
incredibly
proud
I
am
of
the
vision,
zero
approach
and
of
Gary
Jillian
and
all
the
rest
of
the
team
who
worked
so
hard
on
bringing
this
to
fruition
and
leading
on
it
in
in
West
Yorkshire,
so
that
graph
should
be
at
zero
in
2040
and
that's
what
we're
aiming
for.
M
I
want
it
far
before
that,
and
there
should
be
nobody
killed
or
service
injured
on
our
roads
and
the
camera
strategy,
which
is
a
brilliant
piece
of
work
brought
forward
by
I,
have
to
say
one
of
our
officers
really
taking
I
think
he
regretted
it.
M
But
it's
a
brilliant
piece
of
work
and
it's
going
to
make
a
real
and
tangible
difference
to
especially
speeding,
which
is
a
real
blight
in
our
communities.
M
But-
and
that
brings
me
on
to
the
the
very
essence
of
vision-
zero.
It's
about
Behavior
change.
We
can
make
all
the
highways
interventions
in
the
world,
but
if
people
speed,
if
they
take
risks,
if
they're
not
concentrating,
then
people
will
be
killed
and
seriously
injured
and
that's
what
we
have
to
get
to
the
core
of
and
that's
what
Vision
zeroes
are
core
of.
It's,
not
a
car
that
causes
an
accident.
M
It's
a
person
driving
that
car,
it's
a
person
that
is
responsible
in
whatever
way
shape
our
farm
is
responsible
for
that
it's
not
an
accident.
It's
a
collision!
It's
an
incident!
An
accident
implies
that
something
has
happened,
that
somebody
wasn't
responsible
for
we're
all
responsible
when
we
get
behind
the
wheel
of
a
car
or
any
vehicle,
and
and
to
go
to
your
first
point
about
operation
snap.
M
The
meeting
that
Gary
was
referring
to
it's
absolutely
fascinating,
because
I
think
it
was
a
launch.
Actually,
it
wasn't
Gary
that
the
police
showed
actual
footage
that
had
been
sent
in
and
it's
absolutely
brilliant
and
but
the
police
will
not
always
in
fact
very
rarely
feed
back
to
those
who
actually
upload
it.
And
that's
the
case
and
it's
very
frustrating
that
when
you
report
something
in
and
we
have
it
in
all
spheres
of
our
work
and
life,
really
that
you
won't
necessarily
know
what
happens
with
that
information.
M
And
that's
just
a
frustration.
But
that's
not
to
say
that
it's
not
being
used.
It
is
being
used.
And
the
statistics
are
good
and
and
we'll
hear
more
about
that
in
September.
But
please
do
encourage
people
to
keep
uploading.
It.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
Hayden
your
words
on
it's
all
about
the
vision
in
terms
of
Behavioral
change
that
resonates
very
well
and
I'm,
really
looking
forward
to
our
September
September's
meeting,
to
talk
more
about
the
vision
on
that
we've
got
about
four
members
wanting
to
ask
Gary
questions,
so
I
will
start
with
I'll,
take
them
into
counselor,
Buckley
and
then
councilor,
Hamilton
and
then
counselor.
Is
it
yourself
Giovanni
and
then
councilor
Aldis?
That's
four
of
you
and
you
right,
you'll
be
the
fifth
okay.
J
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
about
the
average
speed
camera
because
I
don't
know
how
this
works.
If,
if
it's
on
a
row
with
a
limit
of,
say,
70
miles
an
hour,
speed
limit
of
70.,
and
is
it
measured
over
a
given
section,
a
mile
or
half
a
mile,
or
something
like
that?
And
if
the
man
or
the
woman
gets
up
to
80
and
then
slows
down
to
50.?
T
Yeah
I
think
it's
as
you
outline
it
really
it's
an
average
speed
camera
over
over
a
set
distance.
So,
as
you
pass,
the
first
camera
you'll
be
clocked
and
then,
as
you
go
through
the
terminal
point
you'll
be
clocked
and
the
average
speed
will
be
determined
they
they
have
in
the
past
tend
to
be
used
on
motorways
and
dual
carriageways,
where
there
are
limited
turn
offs
for
obvious
reasons,
because
you
could
end
up
going
through
the
first
camera
100
and
then
take
the
first
turn
off
and
not
be
caught.
T
We
we
will
be
supplementing
some
of
our
systems
with
fixed
cameras
so
that
you
might
find
a
fixed
camera
within
an
average
speed
camera
system,
because
we
do
know,
people
drive
very
irrationally,
I
I
probably
could
ever
use
other
adjectives,
but
I
won't
so
the
the
basis
of
using
average
speed
camera
is
it's
just
it's
another
tool
in
our
Armory
to
try
and
just
change
the
behavior.
If,
ultimately,
we
don't
want
to
catch
anybody,
we
don't
want
to
catch
anybody,
who's,
speeding,
who's,
drink
driving,
drug
driving.
T
We
all
have
to
take
responsibility.
It
is
not
down
to
the
highways
and
transportation
service
of
Leeds
city
council
to
resolve
all
these
ills.
We
will
certainly
play
our
part
and
we're
very
passionate
about
this
agenda,
but
this
is
a
societal
issue
and
everybody
every
family,
every
resident,
every
business
you
business
in
Leeds,
needs
to
owner
own
Vision
zero,
and
that
will
be
the
path
that
we
will
trade
over
the
next
10
15
years
and
anything
that
members
can
do
to
spread.
The
word
be
gratefully
received.
B
B
You
know
so,
and
the
residents
are
always
asking
about.
Why
can't
the
council
reduce
the
speed
limit
all
the
way,
and,
what's
that,
all
about
so
going
forward
for
our
next
meeting
can
I
have
some
answers
to
with
regards
to
the
reduction
in
speed,
why
some
roads
are
40
or
then
30
and
then
20.
B
and
the
the
next
question?
Obviously
the
chairs
ask
us
that
one
when
we
ask
about
reducing
speed,
obviously
that's
take
a
while
to
come
back.
We
also
ask
about
Crossings
in
certain
areas
and
they
take
forever
to
come
in.
So
we
concentrate
a
lot
on
the
city
center.
The
city
center
to
me
is
quite
safe
for
crossing
Etc,
but
then,
when
it
comes
into
our
Awards,
when
we're
asking
for
extra
Crossings
and
reducing
speed
limit,
I
would
like
us
to
concentrate
on
our
Wards
and
but
I'll.
B
We'll
expect
any
question
answers
to
those
until
then
and
then
and
with
regards
to
people
being
seriously
injured
or
killed
of
other.
Mostly
just
are
they
the
bikes
and
they're
just
walking
you
know
Etc
and
where
those
hot
spots
are.
A
D
Yeah,
some
of
the
similar
points
that
councilor
Hamilton
just
made-
you
know:
where
are
these
accidents
happening?
What
sorts
of
roads
are
they
on,
which
I
think
is
a
very
useful
breakdown
of
it
all
again,
reduction
in
speed
limits,
I've
had
similar
queries
as
people
who
were
on
here
last
year.
No-
and
you
mentioned
the
average
speed,
cameras
and
I,
had
the
same
query
as
you
councilor
Buckley
last
year,
when
they
were
first
mentioned
and
because
coming
from
said
Dawson's
corner
to
horsforth
roundabout
you've
got
around
about
in
the
middle.
D
So
what
lengths
are
the
speed
cameras
going
to
work
along
and
was
told
they
will
be
between
the
roundabouts
so
that
actually
will
catch
most
of
the
drivers
I'm
glad
to
hear
as
well
that
there
may
well
be
spot
cameras
in
there
as
well,
so
yeah
a
bit
more
detail
on
where
the
accidents
are
happening,
a
bit
more
detail
on
the
causes
of
the
accident?
Is
it
speed
or
is
it
drunk
driving
drug
driving,
just
Reckless
careless
driving
that'd
be
quite
useful,
but
again
you
can
have
some
of
that
detail
at
the
next
meeting.
D
A
You
councilor
gavani,
so
that's
still
no
Gary.
You
don't
need
to
reply
now
because
that's
still
down
to
the
data
that
we
have
requested
where
what
and
specifics
councilor
Alderson
and
then
counselor,
Foster
and
then
counselor
hat
broke
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
one.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
chair
following
I'm
from
Council
head
and
Gary's
points
around
educating,
Road
users
I
just
wondering
what
work
is
going
into.
What
work
is
Vision
zero
doing,
alongside
West
Yorkshire
police,
to
tackle
what
we've
come
to
know
as
the
balaclava
bikers
which
are
moving
around
the
city,
terrorizing
people
and
not
only
a
threat
to
the
general
public,
but
also
themselves
and
second
question
slightly
change
of
topic.
The
KSI
figures.
Do
you
know
how
many
of
these
incidents
happened
on
Rural,
roads
and
I?
Understand?
E
A
Sorry,
just
Becky
would
like
to
say
something
on
your
question:
if
that's
all
right
and
not
Gary
yeah
thanks.
K
It
was
just
to
note
that,
on
the
anti-social
Behavior
linked
to
motor
vehicles,
that
falls
within
the
remit
of
the
environment,
housing
communities,
board
and
they're
picking
it
up
under
their
anti-social
remit,
but
I
can
share
that
information
with
you.
So
you
can.
You
can
be
cited
on
that.
E
Absolutely
this
question
tomorrow,
as
a
follow-up
around
the
educating
broad
users
which
these
bikers
seem
to
be.
You
know
not
not
really
following
the
rules.
Thank
you,
but
do
you
have
a
question
around
that
we
will
speed
review
still
stands.
Thank
you.
Thank.
K
A
Okay,
counselor
Foster
and
then
Castor
hatbrick.
I
Thank
you,
yeah
yeah
I
just
wondered
if
there
was
correlation
between
a
few
things.
I
Really
one
was
the
the
dire
state
of
public
transport
connections
for
the
communities,
the
outer
communities,
that's
forcing
additional
people
into
the
motor
vehicles
to
access
the
city
and
and
areas
across
the
city,
and
that
combined
with
the
amount
of
Road
works
that
we've
got
going
on
at
the
moment,
I
mean
I
live
in
outer
South
Leeds
at
the
moment,
and
I
have
to
now
circumnavigate
the
city
to
find
a
re-entry
point
to
be
able
to
get
access.
I
So
I'm
conscious,
there'll
be
a
lot
of
people
using
different
networks
to
to
those
they've
used
for
many
years.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
may
point
to
why
we
seem
to
have
seen
a
bit
of
an
up
Spike
after
the
covid
issue.
T
Anecdotally,
I
think
the
standard
of
driving
post
the
lockdowns
has
not
been
good
and
I
think
anybody
that
uses
the
roads.
T
T
It
was
quite
a
shock
to
be
back
in
the
car
and
driving
and
and
and
some
yeah
some
some
of
the
things
that
were
witnessed
on
the
on
the
highway.
Network
were
not
good
at
all,
so,
whilst
yeah
the
the
state,
the
strikes
that
have
been
happening
on
public
transport
and
some
of
the
issues
that
public
transport
have
had
in
recent
months
have
not
helped
I
I
think
that
there
are
no
robust
statistical
evidence,
one
way
or
the
other,
but
anecdotally,
there's.
T
T
How
is
how
the
police
record
the
number
of
recorded
collisions
these
days
and
that's
resulted
in
an
uplift
in
the
statistics
and
and
so
I'm
not
saying
it's
responsible
for
all
of
it,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
is
seen
across
the
country
and
all
highway
authorities
where
ksis
have
all
increased.
Because
of
the
introduction
of
this
new
way
of
recording,
collisions
and
again,
that's
something
perhaps
we
can
get
into
in
the
September
meeting
can
I
just
pick
up
on
a
couple
of
other
points.
T
The
rural
speed
review
that
that's
ongoing.
That
is
certainly
the
case
that
we
are
looking
about
trialing.
Perhaps
some
lower
speed
limits
on
some
of
our
rural
roads
to
tackle
some
of
the
the
behaviors
that
we
see
on
our
rural
roads.
T
You
know
single
Vehicles
traveling
at
very
high
speed,
whether
lowering
the
speed
limit
will
impact
those
sorts
of
drivers
is
another
thing,
but
that
comes
back
down
to
this
behavioral
change
and
perhaps
finally,
without
going
into
too
much
detail
in
the
industry,
Road
Safety
industry,
we
do
talk
about
the
Fatal
fives,
which
relate
to
excessive
speeding.
T
These
are
the
causation
factors
that
are
responsible
predominantly
for
the
collisions
and
and
drive
the
activity
that
we
want
to
change
so
excessive
speed,
drink
and
Drug,
driving,
distracted,
driving,
which
is
like
using
a
mobile
phone
and
not
wearing
a
seat
belt,
I
hope
I've
covered
five.
There
is
driving
drink
and
Drug
seat
belt.
Excessive
speed,
distracted,
driving,
assist.
M
Counselor
Hayden,
just
on
a
couple
of
points
about
public
transport
which
we'll
come
on
to
in
the
last
KSI,
so
I
don't
spend
too
long,
but
whether
that
makes
people
get
into
their
cars
more
I've,
not
seen
every
evidence
of
that.
You
know
Paul
public
transport-
it
probably
does
anecdotally,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
it
will
result
in
more
because
those
people
getting
into
their
cars
have
a
responsibility
to
drive
safely
and
if
you
aren't
driving
through
the
city
center
your
whole.
M
You
know
the
road
Works,
which
are
there
to
design
to
make
it
safer
for
pedestrians
and
for
cyclists,
and
so
that
these
numbers,
because
going
back
to
a
point
that
a
question
the
counselor
Hamilton
asked
about,
who
is
it?
That
is
obviously
the
statistics
will
be
there
in
September,
but
a
high
possession,
a
percentage
of
people
are
killed
and
services
injured.
M
Our
cyclists
are
pedestrians,
so
the
more
safe
we
make
the
roads
for
them,
the
less
people
will
be
driving
and
and
therefore
there
will
be
less
and
there
will
be
and
they
will
be
safer.
So
it's
all
part
of
our
vision,
zero,
that
the
less
people
driving
the
more
people
who
are
safe
to
walk
and
cycle
the
less
killed
and
seriously
injured.
So
and
if
people
are
in
congestion,
then
they're
likely
to
have
those
more
likely
to
have
those
damage
collisions
rather
than
the
much
more
serious
or
fatal
ones.
M
And
we
are
lucky
in
leads
that
we
have
a
1970s
Motorway
going
around
the
edge
and
yes
it
it's
different
to
what
we
used
to
do.
But
we
used
to
drive
them
down
Brigitte
as
well.
So
we,
you
know
it's
about
making
that
cultural
change
that,
if
you're
wanting
to
get
from
one
part
of
the
city
to
the
other,
you
don't
have
to
go
through
the
city
center
30
of
the
journeys
through
city
city
Square
were
going
from
one
part
of
the
city
to
another,
not
into
the
city
center,
not
accessing
the
city
center.
M
They
were
going
from
one
part
of
the
city
center
to
the
other,
usually
in
a
Ring
Road
and
much
better
for
everyone,
and
especially
the
people
shopping
and
in
the
leisure
activities
of
of
City
Square.
So
I'll
leave.
N
I
wonder
if
I
could
just
give
some
additional
information,
as
it's
been
raised
about
the
antisocial
behavior
of
some
of
the
Riders
of
motorcycles
and
so
on,
and
we've
got
a
public
space
protection
order
coming
into
force
on
the
3rd
of
July,
which
aims
at
changing
behavior
of
anti-social
use
of
any
vehicle.
So
that's
for
motorbikes
and
e-scooters
e-bikes
or
you
know
cars,
all
all
of
that.
N
So
alongside
the
work
on
Vision,
zero
about
reducing
speed
and
reducing,
Cam
and
and
death
is
the
work
around
and
social
behavior,
so
even
off-road,
or
you
know
not
on
the
public
Highway.
N
You
know
in
other
areas
as
well
to
deal
with
the
and
which
includes
noise.
From
you
know,
cars,
tar
mates
and
so
on,
like
that
playing
loud
music,
lots
of
things
are
covered
by
it
and
I
know
that
it's
reported
into
the
housing
and
communities
scrutiny
bar
Becky
Tarter
about
earlier,
but
I
just
wanted
to
raise
awareness
with
scrutiny.
Members
here
this
morning
that
that
comes
into
force
on
the
third
of
of
July.
N
So
hopefully,
that
will,
in
addition
to
the
work
going
on
around
reducing
speed,
will
also
help
in
some
of
the
situations
that
members
have
raised
this
morning.
A
That's
great
councilor
Cooper.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
councilor,
Brooke
I'm,
hoping
that
all
your
questions
have
been
answered.
You
still
got
a
question.
A
H
We've
mentioned
that
average
speed
cameras
personally
I'm
a
huge
advocate
of
them,
because
I
know
that
they
work
you
travel
on
the
a66
between
scotch
corner
and
penrith.
Everybody
speeds
the
one
spot
where
nobody
speeds
is
the
bit
as
you
get
about
know
whether
llama
Cafe
used
to
be,
and
everybody
slows
down
and
sticks
by
the
speed
limit
similar
on
the
m621
around
Leeds
speed
limit.
H
H
What
I'll
call
rat
runs
and
not
major
arterial
rules
like
the
one
that's
standing
there,
which
is
getting
speed
cameras,
but
there
are
many
roads
where
speeding
is
a
huge
problem
and,
although
not
entirely
point-to-point
driving,
is
substantially
point-to-point
driving
people
using
yeah,
for
example,
where
I
live
Wood
Lane
through
Rothwell
on
the
other
sort
of
key
World
classes,
major
residential
roads
which
see
sea
speeding,
I'd
like
to
know
whether
there
are
can
be
plans
in
the
future.
H
Once
this
Pilot's
been
proven
to
be
successful,
which
I'm
sure
I'm
hoping
will
be
because
speed,
you
know
there
are
many
factors
that
contribute
to
an
accident,
but
when
an
accident
happens,
the
one
thing
that
determines
how
serious
it
is
more
than
anything
else
is
the
amount
of
speed
involved
and
the
speed
goes
up.
The
the
likelihood
for
death,
particularly
of
cyclists
and
pedestrians,
goes
up
exponentially
as
speed
increases.
So
I'd
like
to
see
these,
you
know
this.
H
This
technology
and
approach
used
in
many
more
situations
and
I
like
the
idea
that
it's
coupled
with
fixed
cameras,
so
you
can,
as
as
councilor
Buckley
said,
you
know,
do
a
scaling.
Blot
of
the
accelerator
between
the
cameras
and
still
get
away
with
it.
M
I'll,
just
sorry
Gary
yeah,
you
need
a
stretch
of
road
for
the
average
speed
cameras
and
that's
the
the
length
of
the
the
lens
between
the
average
has
been
brought
down
by
the
brilliant
work
of
of
the
high
of
Leeds
highways
Authority,
because
that's
why
we
couldn't
have
it
on
the
The
Ring
Road
before,
because
the
the
space
needed
between
One
camera
and
the
next
was
too
long
for
so
that
was
all
part
of
the
review
that
one
of
our
officers
did
so
so
that
wouldn't
work.
M
M
Because
you
need
a
certain
quite
substantial
length
of
road
to
do
the
average,
but
these
will
be
more
mobile
ones,
so
saying
you
can
get
the
guns
or
the
police
can
use
the
guns.
M
These
will
be
proper
cameras
that
will
be
linked
in
vehicles
that
the
police
will
be
able
to
deploy
into
where
we
think
it
needs
to
be
done
and
therefore
it
can
be
because
you
do
need
a
long
road
to
do
the
average
to
their
do
the
average
thing
they
are
better
than
fixed
speed
cameras,
because
we
have
to
get
asked
because
cancer
book
is
quite
right
with
a
fixed
camera
people
slow
down
for
the
camera
and
then
speed
up.
T
Is
that
there's
some
good
news
here
in
terms
of
the
new
approach
will
enable
more
mobile
and
more
fixed
sites
to
be
established,
which
is
what
members
were
telling
us
in
the
correspondence
of
the
emails
we
get,
because
before
the
criteria
were
very
strict
and-
and
we
were
saying
no
to
a
lot
of
this
or
the
West
Yorkshire
safety,
camera
partnership,
ultimately
responsible
was
we've
now
have
this
more
flexible
and
adaptable
policy
that
will
allow
us
to
hopefully
collectively
respond
positively
to
these
concerns
because
they
are
widespread
across
the
city
in
residential
areas,
but
we're
not
going
to
see
fixed
cameras
on
every
corner
for
obvious
reasons,
and
it
comes
back
time
and
time
again
to
this
change
in
behavior.
T
That
we've
got
to
sort
of
supplement
all
these
engineering
measures
that
we'll
be
deploying,
hopefully
as
flexible
and
as
adaptably
as
we
can.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Gary
sorry,
councilor
hatbrook
I'll
have
to
bring
that
performance
indicator
to
a
wrap
because
of
time
could
I
also
ask
so
for
number
11,
which
is
about
the
satisfaction
with
a
range
of
Transport
Services.
Now
we
we
are
going
to
have
our
bus
providers
who
would
be
attending
one
of
our
scrutiny
sessions
later
in
the
municipal
year,
and
we
have
the
connecting
leads
transport
strategy
for
July.
A
So
could
I
ask
that
we
keep
comments
and
questions
to
July
so
that
we
could
go
on
to
city
City,
Center
footfall
as
the
last
item,
because
we
are
really
running
out
of
time
and
I
do
not
want
to
go
beyond
1
pm.
Is
that
okay,
with
board
members
except
you've
got
anything
for
for
the
transport,
the
kpl
and
transport,
except
if
you've
got
something
really
really?
I
A
We've
got
connect,
we've
got
connecting
leads
transport
strategy
in
our
July's
meeting
on
the
agenda.
I
I
I
A
Yes,
so
that's
what
I'm
saying:
let's,
let's
keep
it
to
July,
and
then
we
have
good
timing
to
discuss
that
in
more
detail
than
running
through
it
now
all
right.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
right,
City,
Center,
footfall
and
I'd
also
like
to
say:
if
we
Eve
I'm
now,
is
it
yourself
Martin,
giving
us
a
quick
brief
on
this
one
I
do
know
in
our
September
as
well.
A
We
have
an
agenda
on
inclusive
growth,
so
we
would
be
discussing
this
as
well
in
more
detail
in
our
September's
meeting
so
over
to
you
on
that
one.
Please.
R
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
So
in
the
in
the
papers,
you've
got
the
city
center
football
recorded
up
to
March
2023,
which
shows
that
it
was
down
16.7
compared
with
March
2019,
so
a
pre-pandemic
comparison,
but
that
is
up
2.4
compared
with
March
2022.
So,
whilst
there's
a
pandemic
impact,
we
still
appear
to
be
recovering
and
weekend.
R
Football
is
down
by
only
three
percent
on
pre-pandemic
levels:
I've
got
the
data
for
June,
takes
us
up
to
June
this
year,
the
beginning
of
June,
where
it's
around
nine
percent
up
on
the
same
period
in
2022,
so
that
recovery
appears
to
be
strengthening.
R
J
This
is
typical,
isn't
it
of
the
lockdown
Legacy,
because
here
we
have
on
these
figures,
16
down
since
2019.,
and
one
of
the
things
that
drives
footfall
is
people
being
physically
working
in
the
city
so
as
one
of
the
biggest,
if
not
the
biggest
employer
in
the
city?
What
are
we
doing?
What
steps
are
we
taking
to
have
our
employees
working
in
the
city
and
not
working
from
home.
R
N
Thinking
thanks
chair
just
in
in
the
sense
of
trying
to
be
helpful
here,
there's
resources
and
strategy
board
looking
to
all
the
detail
in
terms
of
the
HR
responsibility
within
the
resources
directorate,
which
Martin
doesn't
is
not
kind
of
responsible
for
that
area
at
all.
So
can
I
suggest
to
cancel
a
booklet
that
he
who
passes
it
through
to
that
board
for
some
response.
J
Well,
I'm
a
little
bit
disappointed
chairman,
because
this
is
specific,
especially
an
item
on
the
agenda
and
I've
just
been
given
no
answer
whatsoever,
and
it
just
seems
to
me
one
of
the
most
important
questions
of
the
time
that
here
we
are
allowing
people
to
work
from
home
and
ignoring
the
impact
on
football
in
the
city.
M
Sorry
because
Council
probably
will
probably
be
much
better
at
this
than
me,
but
it's
going
to
take
us
back
this.
This
is
a
not
an
agenda
item.
This
is
a
KSI
and
if
we
take
that
to
when
we're
talking
about
planning
and
recruitment
and
retention,
if
you,
if
you
all,
come
because
you
wanted
us
to
pay
more
than
the
private
sector,
and
we
can't
one
of
the
things
that
the
private
sector
is
offering
is
flexible,
working
and
more
and
more
companies.
M
M
You
know
experienced
people
want
that
flexibility
of
working,
they
don't
want
to
come
into
an
office
and
they
will
go
elsewhere
and
work
for
other
people
who
will
give
them
that
flexibility
of
working
from
home.
So
if
we
start
forcing
people
and
I,
don't
think
it's
morally
right
either
to
start
forcing
people
to
work
in
the
city
center
and
there's
also
the
climate
emergency,
and
if
people
are
traveling
100
of
the
time
into
the
city
center,
we've
just
been
talking
about
Vision
zero.
M
So
we're
going
to
have
more
people
traveling,
which
you
know
would
would
affect
those
statistics.
We
saw
how
it
went
down
in
the
pandemic
and
people
killed
and
seriously
injured
when
less
people
are
driving.
So
if
there's
a
whole
host
of
things,
but
if
you
don't
come
into
the
office
one
day
a
week
and
that's
20
cut
in
your
emissions
in
your
carbon
emissions,
so
there's
a
whole
host
of
reasons
why
it's
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing
that
less
people
are
coming
into
the
city
center.
M
The
patterns
have
changed
so
they're
not
coming
in
during
the
week
as
much,
but
more
people
are
coming
in
at
the
weekend
and
the
reasons
why
people
come
into
the
it
might
not
be
for
shopping,
but
there
are
Leisure
and
cultural
offer
is
hugely
popular
and
people
are
coming
in
there.
Hundreds
of
thousands
but
I'll
let
Council
prior
because
they'll.
P
Yeah
yeah
I
was
initially
going
to
make
exactly
the
same
point
as
councilor
hate
and
that
you
know
we
discussed
earlier
in
this
board
about
the
importance
of
retention
in
Recruitment
and
actually
offering
that
flexibility
around
work
is
is
vital
to
that
to
to
not
lose
employees
to
the
private
sector,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
data
beneath
that
Top
Line
as
well.
When
we
look
at
behavioral
changes,
so,
for
example,
Monday
is
a
day
which
is
is
significantly
down
pretty
much
every
week.
P
A
lot
of
the
other
days
of
the
week
are
closer
to
2019,
sometimes
one
or
two
percent
below
sometimes
a
little
above,
but
it
is
Monday
which
is
consistently
down.
What
we
have
actually
seen
is
a
shift
to
people
coming
in
over
the
weekend.
So
I'm,
literally
looking
at
the
the
data
for
last
weekend,
Saturday
was
up
10.3
percent
on
2019
Sunday,
up
18.6
and
I
think
this
shows
a
shift
in
why
people
come
into
City.
P
Center
is
yes
we're
seeing
fewer
people
in
in
the
week
because
they
are
have
more
flexible,
working,
they're
working
from
home,
but
look
we're
seeing
more
people
come
in
at
the
weekend
and
that's
linked
to
you
know
using
the
city
center
for
leisure
and
entertainment
and
and
it
does
show
it
justifies
we
as
a
council
supporting
a
lot
of
cultural
activity
in
the
city.
P
If
we
want
to
boost
the
economy,
that
cultural
activity
is
linked
to
the
economy
so
tightly
that
that
there's
a
real
justification
in
that
it
does
mean
that
the
economy
will
shift,
it
will
mean
that
those
places,
perhaps
selling
lunch
to
office
workers
in
the
week
are
going
to
to
find
it
more
difficult.
P
You're,
absolutely
right
that
there
has
been
a
shift
in
in
the
economy
since
covid.
Undoubtedly,
but
if
we
want
to
you
know,
keep
keep
workers
retained
within
the
council.
Making
our
employment
significantly
less
flexible
would
not
be
the
way
to
go
about
that
at
all.
It's
probably
also
worth
mentioning
is
it's
not
in
in
this
report
as
well,
but
we
are
also
seeing
an
increase
in
football
at
kirkgate
markets,
which
I
think
is
vitally
important
from
memory.
P
I
think
we've
gone
from
I
think
in
March
and
April
it
went
from
460
000
people
attending
the
market
to
480
000.
P
we're
just
finishing
a
huge
amount
of
renovation
works
in
the
market,
so
getting
even
more
stalls
in
so
hopefully
I'm
very
keen
that
we
break
that
half
a
million
visitors
a
month
to
Colgate
Market
very
soon
and
I'm
I'm,
pretty
confident
we
will
to
be
honest
and
it
just
I
think
it
just
shows
the
strength
of
what
we
have
going
on
in
our
city
center.
As
Martin
said
in
the
opening,
while
there
is
still
recovery
to
go,
we
are
actually
recovering
faster
than
a
lot
of
comparable
areas.
Thank.
A
You
Council
yeah,
thank
you.
Counselor
councilor,
Cooper,.
N
Thank
you
chair
for
allowing
me
to
come
back
on
councilor,
Buckley's
question
and
comments
that
he
made
following
my
response.
My
response
was
to
serve
this
board
getting
into
the
remit
of
another
Bard's
policy
area,
which
is
HR
policy
that
sits
with
a
different
board.
N
Can
I
just
clarify
that
councilor
Buckley's
comments.
I
did
not
say
that
we
weren't
doing
anything
to
to
enable
our
employees
to
come
back
and
work
in
the
office.
That
is
not
the
case
at
all,
and
I
would
just
like
to
point
out
that
we
are
a
large
employer.
We
have
a
a
lot
of
employees,
most
of
whom
do
not
work
in
the
city
center
that
they
are
based
throughout
the
city
and
and
the
suburbs
are
not
not.
Most
of
them
are
based
in
the
city
center
at
all.
N
There
are
plans
in
place
that
are
being
undertaken
by
the
HR
department,
around
people
working
in
a
flexible
where
both
in
office
based
workers
in
the
office
and
working
from
home
as
well.
But
I
would
just
point
now
that
most
of
our
staff
are
not
office
based.
So
they
worked
on
the
front
line
throughout
covid
and
never
did
work
from
home.
N
Most
of
them
are
still
continuing
to
do
that
and
our
office-based
staff
are
coming
in
proportion
of
the
time
into
the
office
as
well
as
working
from
home
as
well.
But
I
would
like
just
to
make
sure
that
that
point
is
clarified
both
for
members
and
for
the
press
that
are
sitting
behind
here.
A
B
Right
my
question
with
regarding
the
football:
is
there
any
detrimental
effect
on
the
businesses
within
the
city.
A
I'll
take
two
questions
at
a
time:
councilor
hatbrook,
please
sorry,
I
know
yeah
no
I
should
answer
both
I
just
need
to
take
two
questions.
At
the
same
time,.
B
Yes,
no
I
was
just
going
on
to
say
that
I
asked
about
the
businesses
enough.
H
Very
aware
of
time
and
I
was
going
to
comment
around
how
hybrid
working
I
think
is
something
to
be
lauded,
and
it's
one
of
the
few
good
things
that's
come
out
of
curve.
It
is
that
it's
accelerated
the
trend
that
was
already
happening
to
give
people
more
flexibility
and
more
creative
ways
of
working.
O
So
I'll
come
in
quickly
chairman.
Maybe
this
is
something
you
might
want
to
consider
to
take
more
evidence
on
at
some
later
point.
So
some
members
of
scrutiny
will
recall
that
one
of
the
pieces
of
Economic
Policy
work
we
did
after
covid
was
to
look
specifically
at
the
future
of
our
city
center
and
local
centers,
which
included
quite
extensive
research.
O
That
pointed
to
the
fact
that
people,
it
was
still
when
lockdowns
were
being
applied,
and
it
pointed
to
the
fact
that
people
wanted
to
come
back
into
City
if
the
city
center
primarily
to
access
culture
and
to
have
shared
experiences
and
then,
secondly,
to
access
the
retail
offer,
for
example,
that
we
have
in
the
city
center.
There
was
also
a
lot
of
information
in
that
report
about
what
people
might
want
to
see
locally,
including
you
know,
options
to
potentially
have
shared
workspaces
where
they
might
not
have
been
before
we're.
O
Looking
in
the
updated
inclusive
growth
strategy.
To
make
sure
that
we
give
prominence
to
both
of
those
priorities
is
reported
in
that
report
and
that's
obviously
coming
through
Executive
Board
in
September.
So
perhaps
we
might
be
able
to
return
to
it,
but
the
question
about
to
questions
about
businesses
and
impact
is
impact
on
businesses.
O
The
prime
primary
impact
was
more
in
2021
and
early
part
of
2022,
when
restrictions
were
still
in
place
and
people
were
not
returning
to
to
the
office
and
anecdotally
and
and
through
some
information
we
received
from
Partners
in
the
city.
Whilst
football
is
down
basket,
spend
is
up
for
for
retailers,
and
so
it
doesn't
always
quite
necessarily
to
reduce
full
reduced
spend
and
particularly
when
you
have
higher
footfall
levels
at
weekends.
When
people
are
choosing
to
come
into
the
city
center
to
to
to
spend
on.
O
You
know
in
particular
areas
it
does
impact
some
some
businesses
who
might
have
been
reliant
on
the
office
worker
that
popped
in
to
buy
an
item
at
lunchtime,
and
you
do
see
some
shift
in
the
city
center
that
undoubtedly
there's
been
shifts
in
certain
brands
moving
out
the
city
center
other
brands
coming
in
and
seeing
the
opportunity
in
Leeds,
because
we
are
lucky
that
we,
you
know.
We
have
fantastic
infrastructure,
that
the
council
supported
being
developed
in
the
past
decade.
O
But
then
we
also
have
great
really
forward-looking:
managers
of
Trinity,
Leeds
and
other
parts
of
the
city
who
really
think
about
how
they
can
animate.
Those
centers
and
Trinity
leads,
for
example,
through
that
land
Securities
have
partnered
with
Leeds
2023
and
they've
done
some
incredible
things
in
both
of
their
centers
with
culture,
which
has
brought
more
people
in
so
there's
a
kind
of
interrelationship
being
between
the
two
but
very
happy
chair
to
kind
of
go
into
more
detail
about
this
with
members
of
scrutiny
at
the
right
time.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
that'll
be
very
helpful
because
we
do
have
some
of
the
the
links
we've,
what
you're
discussing
and
with
inclusive
growth
as
well,
which
needs
to
come
back
in
September.
So
we
are
more
than
happy
for
you
to
also
come.
You
know,
contact
the
localities
team
as
well
and
then
bring
that
back
onto
the
agenda
in
September.
I
am
so
sorry
I'm,
not
counselor
prayer.
Do
you
really
want
to
say
something?
It.
P
Was
just
very
very
brief
on
cancer
Hamilton's
Point,
like
yes,
businesses,
fewer
people
in
the
area
does
mean
few
people
spending
money,
but
also
it's
important
to
note
that
that's
not
the
only
difficulty
they're
going
through
now
huge
issues
with
inflation
and
not
just
you
know,
hitting
individuals
and
individuals
spending
power.
So
it
means
when
people
are
in
the
city
center.
P
They're,
probably
they've
got
less
disposable
income
because
they're
spending
it
all
on
having
to
spend
an
extra
300
quid
a
month
on
their
mortgage
or
wherever
they're
at,
but
also
those
inflationary
costs
are
also
hitting
the
businesses
themselves,
their
own
energy
costs
and
their
own
all
the
other.
The
on
costs
there.
So
yes,
while
football
is,
is
a
factor.
It's
not
the
only
factor
in
why
a
lot
of
businesses
will
be
struggling
at
the
moment.
A
Absolutely
councilor
Pryor.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
this
agenda
item.
Please
could
I
ask
executive
members
and
officers
just
please
just
wait
behind
for
our
sources
of
work
item.
She
will
not
belong,
so
we
are
kind
of
done
really.
So.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
all
your
contributions
today
over
to
you
Becky.
K
I
mean
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
sources
of
work.
This
is
a
standard
item
at
the
start
of
the
municipal
year.
We
just
ask
members
to
consider
whether
there
are
additional
priorities
that
you
want
to
build
into
your
work
program
for
23
24,
and
one
issue
that
I've
been
asked
to
highlight
is
Council
Hayden's,
request
of
council
Marshall
katong
that
the
board
considers
a
six-month
review
of
the
recent
changes
to
the
planning
portal.
I,
don't
know
if
cancer
Hayden
wants
to
come
in
and
just
say
a
few
words
about
that.
M
And
thank
you
Becky.
Yes,
it's
a
six-month
trial,
so
I'd
be
very
grateful.
If
scrutiny
could,
if
this
scrutiny,
Bard
could
assess
the
pros
and
cons
and
what's
happened
and
people's
comments
at
the
end
of
that
six-month
trial.
Thank
you.
K
I'll
I'll
take
that
as
read.
If
there's
no
objections
from
board
members
and
we'll
we'll
feed
that
into
the
into
the
work
program,
the.
M
Yeah,
which
Christmas
it
started
so
I
say
October
would
probably
be
a
good
time.
Yeah.
K
So
in
your
chair,
if
you
want
to
invite
members
to
set
out
any
particular
issues,
they
want
to
build
into
the
work
program.
A
They're
ready
to
go
home,
okay,
yeah.
We
can
always
pick
that
up
outside
of
this
meeting,
so
members
just
feel
free
to
pop
an
email
through
or
give
us
a
call.
If
there's
anything
else,
you
would
like
to
add
to
our
work
for
this
Municipal
year.
K
And
yeah
and
if
members
could
just
note
the
existing
schedule,
I
will
assume
that
we're
working
on
the
basis
of
that
unless
I'm
given
another
indication
from
the
board.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
our
next
meeting
is
on
the
19th
of
July
at
10
30
a.m.
So
pre-meeting
will
be
10
15
and
not
10
a.m,
as
agreed
at
our
prayer
meeting.
So
thank
you
all
so
much
for
coming
for
those
celebrating
it.
You
can
go
back
to
your
families
now
and
have
a
lovely
celebration
and
see
you
all
in
July,
Take
Care.
Thank
you.