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From YouTube: Littlefish Foundation Weekly Meeting 2021-12-20 22.11.33
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This is the very fist recording of Monday meetings.
A
Yeah,
that's
fine,
so
nice
to
meet
you
again.
So
this
is
my
third
or
fourth
meeting
official
meeting
attending
the
activities
list
with
littlefish
foundation
and
almost
after
every
meeting,
we
are
also
having
a
personal
chat
with
jeff
and
discussing
about
some
other
stuff
related
around
little
fish
foundation
of
these
things-
and
I
had
some
question
marks
in
my
mind
why
I
was
listening.
A
Every
discussion
almost
about
little
english
foundation
and
also
after
reading
the
documentation
I
provided
for
the
adamant
for
other
and
I've
shared
all
of
these
question
marks.
I've
asked
all
of
these
to
jab
and
we
were
discussing
about
solution,
and
I
would
like
to
thank
to
him
because
he
gave
this
opportunity
to
provides
the
question
mark
and
a
possible
solution
in
my
mind
about
maybe
about
a
future
of
the
little
little
fish
foundation
for
sure
it's
not
written
to
stone
and
justice
discussion
starter.
A
You
may
just
think
about
it
like
that.
So
as
I
start,
I
I
want
to
give
two
different
stories
about
two
different
topics.
Then,
at
the
attempts
I'll
try
to
combine
two
ideas
into
single
one,
these
parts
are
necessary
to
provide
you.
The
problem
I
see
in
my
mind
so
almo,
so
since
the
first
meeting
about
little
fish
foundation,
the
all
discussions
are
mainly
basically
mainly
making
a
better
process
for
the
climate
and
for
doing
for
making
world
is
a
better
place
and
using
blockchain
smart
contracts.
Other
network
for
such
an
opportunity.
A
So
even
we
didn't
have
the
blockchain
stuff.
So
we
all
know
the
trees
are
good
and
we
all
need
to
plant
trees.
We
are
teaching
this
to
our
kids,
but
sorry
to
say
that
at
least
in
turkey,
I'm
not
seeing
that
much
people
planting
trees
around
the
problem
might
be
it's
an
obligation.
It's
it's
a
must-do
item
teached
by
our
families,
parents,
teachers,
schools,
but
it's
not
cool.
A
This
might
be
one
of
the
reasons
I
mean
it's
not
enjoying
it's
not
yeah.
We
all
know
that
it's
cool
it's
necessary.
I
think
we
are
all
aware
that
the
trees
are
necessary,
but
it's
never
at
least
for
at
least
for
turkey.
This
country,
I'm
living
in
it's,
not
a
popular
activity
which
families
and
children
go
at
weekends
and
do
all
together,
but
imagine
a
world
if
the
trees
are
giving
wifi
sickness.
A
So
when
we
we
are
already,
we
already
know
that
trees
are
necessary
to
to
get
oxygen.
On
the
other
hand,
we
may
do
it
only
if
and
only
if
we
can
get
other
type
of
cool
thing
out
of
this
activity.
So
this
brings
us
to
the
problem
about
littlefish
foundation.
Is
this
as
a
sustainability
so
yeah?
We
all
know
that
the
main
idea,
the
main
idea
the
target
is
cool,
it's
good,
but
I
don't
think
that
I
personally
don't
think
that
it
would
be
getting
enough
attention
from
many
people.
A
A
So,
for
example,
this
is
this
is
another
example.
For
example,
if
we
were
telling
people
okay,
I
want
you
to.
Let
me
know
regularly
your
location,
what
you
like,
who
you
like,
who
are
you
with
who
is
with
you
at
the
moment?
What
did
you
eat?
A
I'm
sure
no
one
would
be
giving
this
information
to
us
freely.
On
the
other
hand,
what
the
hell
is
this
I
mean
yeah.
We
all
know
that
these
are
private
information.
These
are
this
is
some.
These
are
sensitive
information
which
we
will
never
want
to
provide
to
anyone.
On
the
other
hand,
when
something
is
produced
and
making
providing
this
information
cool
with
a
gamified
methodology,
everyone
would
be
eager
to
do
that.
So
after
the
sustainability.
A
This
brings
us
to
another
keywords
which
I
can,
which
I
mean
as
gamification,
so
in
order
to
make
it
something
sustainable
from
some
perspective,
it
also
needs
to
be
cool,
it
needs
to
be
hype,
and
it's
done
it's
if
an
only.
If,
then,
only
after
that,
it
may
be
a
sustainable
thing.
Even
you
are
trained
to
build
a
blockchain
based
technology,
or
even
it's
it's
an
app
or
a
startup
it.
I
think
it
will
never
matter.
A
So
after
this
one,
so
you
don't
see
any
texts
here
after
these
slides
you'll
be
seeing
this
graph
with
some
different
texts
around
you'll
be
seeing
exactly
the
same
graph
again
and
again
with
different
variations.
A
So
if
we
go
back
to
the
main
aim
of
littlefish
foundation,
so
we
want
to
provide
help
and
we
want
to
fund
activists
and
climate
changers
and
the
good
people
around
from
our
frustration.
A
So
for
a
person
who
need
to
get
some
loan
or
some
donation
or
any
support
from
and
is
from,
anyone
would
need
to
go
to
a
constitution.
It
could
be
a
bank,
it
could
be
united
nations
or
greenpeace
or
whatever.
So
a
person
first
gets.
For
example,
a
person
may
get
a
loan
from
an
institution,
then
somehow
it
provides
it
back.
Sometimes
it's
it
provides
it
with
an
interest
rate
or
without
interest,
or
maybe
it
just
provides
a
thing.
A
But
somehow
there
is
always
there
is
always
a
part
which
this
that
person
receives
something
that
pays
something
back,
so
we
may
just
we
may
just
name
it
as
getting
an
x
and
providing
why
back.
A
It
was
like
this
before
today.
Now
we
are
not
talking
about
institutions
that
much,
but
the
new
model
is
making
a
collaboration
between
this
person,
not
with
an
institution,
but
a
group
of
people
with
a
community
and
I'll
be
listing
three
different
models
for
three
for
three
different
use
cases:
the
first
one
which
is
the
best
known
for
little
fish
foundation.
I
think
the
killer
model,
so
you
just
need
to
get
a
loan.
You
don't
go
to
an
institutional
local
bank.
You
ask
your
cause.
A
You
enter
your
cost
somewhere
and
you
get
a
loan
from
a
bulk
number
of
people
at
once.
Then
you
pay
it
back.
This
is
the
kilo
model.
As
you
know,
another
model
is
change.org
the
in
change.org
model
you
this
time,
everything's
safe.
Of
course,
there
are
some
small
changes
about
the
process,
how
the
money
is
received
and
how
it's
paid
back
or
if
it's
paid
back
or
not.
But
this
time
in
kilomoto
it
was
a
long,
but
this
time
it's
just
it's
named
as
donational
support.
A
A
So
for
kickstarter
again
exactly
the
same
graph.
Only
some
texts
are
changing
on
this
scenario.
You
again
get
something,
and
this
time
you
may
name
it
as
a
purchase,
and
but
this
time
you
pay
back
some
benefits.
So,
for
example,
if
you
are
producing
your
products,
you
may
provide
an
early
adopter
version
or
with
a
discount,
or
you
may
just
thank
you
to
these
people.
A
As
you
can
see
the
problem
in
in
basis,
all
of
these
three
are
doing
exactly
the
same
thing
and
I'm
sure
we
can
find
even
a
couple
of
more
different
companies,
random
companies
or
organizations
which,
which
does
almost
the
same
you
a
person,
gets
x,
then
pays
or
provides.
Why
back
to
the
community
in
a
different
name
and
with
some
and
for
sure,
with
some
sub
processes
in
the
background,
so
for
the
future
base
just
by
using
these
three
models
are
very
similar.
A
My
proposal
will
be
making
a
little
rich
foundation
and
the
main
product
is
as
an
ultimate
generic
and
open
source
without
framework
to
handle
long
donations,
support
and
such
transactions.
By
using
blockchain
technology,
I
mean
not
limiting
ourselves
to
kiwamoda
but
being
an
industry
standard
blockchain
based
industry
standard
for
all
these
type
of
transactions,
for
example,
if
there's
an
x
person
who
needs
something
and
if
there's
a
community,
let's
make
it,
let's
name
it
y.
If
there's
a
transaction
between
x
and
y,
I
think
it.
A
I
think
it
might
be
a
great
opportunity
to
be
this
standard
for
defining,
defining
how
such
a
community-based
donation
or
loan
or
support
purchase
transaction
might
be
and
for
sure,
as
it's
as
it's
designed
in
the
basis
of
little
foundation,
documentation
for
sure
the
activists
might
be
the
first
poc,
especially
activists
for
the
climate
change
yeah.
A
I
have
one
more
slide
which
might
be
shown
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
but
this
is
basically
basis
of
my
purpose.
C
Thank
you
very
much,
emily,
really
good
presentation
by
the
way,
yeah.
I
think
what
I
took
from
this
presentation.
Mostly
there
are
different
ways
of
supporting.
First
of
all,
we
have
to
identify
all
these
things
and
we
need
to
decide.
I
think
whether
we
are
going
to
support
whether
we
are
going
to
provide
all
of
these
standards
or
if
we
are
not
interested
in.
We
just
focus
one
way,
but
I
think
personally,
I
believe,
working
on
all
these
different
types
of
support
will
be
beneficial,
but
we
have
to
have
a
clear
identification.
C
To
me,
I
understand
that
purchase
is
a
kind
of
winning
relation,
but
when
you
provide
loan
to
someone,
you
just
take
your
money
back,
and
you
feel
good
that
you
have
done
good
support
to
someone
else,
but
when
it
comes
to
donation,
for
example,
donation
is
just
giving
away
right.
You
are
not
expecting
something
return,
but
at
the
same
time,
maybe
you
do
advertisement
of
your
business
as
a
business
owner.
C
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
comments.
So
basically,
you
are
right.
All
of
those
entities
should
be
defined
in
detail
and
we
and
the
entities
should
be
decided,
but
if
we
may
provide
the
good
and
free
discussion
environments
into
the
community,
I'm
sure
the
types
of
all
of
those
entities
will
be
decided
there.
A
So
if
we
have,
if
we
can
create
a
great
community
around
it,
on
the
other
hand,
for
for
every
type
of
entity
for
every
type
of
transaction,
I'm
sure
every
transaction
type
will
meet
its
own
discipline,
like
from
the
loan
perspective
from
the
tax
perspective
from
the
marketing
perspective,
part
or
marketing
perspective,
with
with
correct
people.
This
all
of
this
might
also
be
strong
with
more
niche,
more
focused
subgroups
based
on
for
each
entity
in
every
transaction
individually.
A
A
So
if
the
basis
is
generic,
if
the
main
idea
is
there
all
of
those
transaction
entity
types
will
just
be
details
which
is
for
sure
very
critical,
but
needs
to
be
focused.
C
But
what
come
to
my
mind
is,
I
think
you
know
when
we
consider
adoption,
you
should
consider
use
of
ease
of
use,
usability
and
ease
of
understanding
concepts.
The
I
feel
a
kind
of
like
all
these
examples
pick
up
only
one
option.
Maybe
it's
just
easy
change
or
you
want.
You
want
to
change
something,
and
then
you
get
support.
It's
not
alone.
C
You
just
get
donation
from
someone
else
right,
so
we
should
make
it
really
easy
for
understanding
all
of
these
people
out
there,
because
when
we
bring
blockchain
already
it's
complicated,
it
is
not
that
easy,
and
then
people
have
already
question
marks.
Not
everyone
has
the
you
know
cryptocurrencies
and
holding
wallets
difficult
to
manage
somehow.
A
You
are
a
hundred
percent
right
from
the
usability
perspective,
but
I
think
it
might
be
a
bit
early
because
I,
as
far
as
I
know,
we
haven't
started
to
discuss
about
the
websites,
the
interfaces,
the
apps,
the
integration
points,
etc.
A
Here,
if
we
may
focus
on
the
main
idea,
so
how
a
person
can
send
money
to
another
person,
we
have
a
standard
for
that,
thanks
to
bitcoin,
so
how
we
can
run
a
code
on
multiple
devices
publicly
thanks
to
smart
contracts,
thanks
to
ethereum,
thanks
to
others
how
we
can
make
a
one
person
to
community
how
we
can
create
any
type
of
transaction
between
a
person
and
a
community
with
some
sub
elements
if
the
donation
or
a
loan
etc.
A
I
don't
I
don't
know
my
name.
Maybe
there's
a
name-
I
don't
know,
but
there
are
some.
There
are
some
questions
which,
and
some
of
them
are
already
answered-
all
of
us
more
or
less
have
the
same
answers
I
I
think,
but
for
this
type,
so
here
we
are
talking
about
some
donation
type
of
mechanism
around
the
little
fish-
and
I
don't
know
I
don't
know
an
industry
standard
I
wanted.
A
I
think
it's
a
good
opportunity
to
start
from
that
point,
instead
of
just
focusing
on
how
keyways
working,
for
example,.
A
Yeah,
so
it
it
might
even
be
it
may
it
may
even
be
an
opportunity
to
provide
this
open
source
framework,
let's
say
to
kiva,
then
they
can
develop
their
own,
their
new
version.
On
top
of
this,
I
don't
know
how
it
would
work.
I
don't
know
the
licensing
thing,
I
don't
know
the
benefits,
but
if
there's
a
cause
to
make
it
happen,
even
this
might
be
an
option.
B
Yeah
yeah,
okay,
so
thank
you
for
for
the
presentation,
first
of
all
and
the
thought
and
it's
a
good
discussion.
I
think
we
need
to
split
between
you
know
the
technology
framework
and
what
we
want
to
achieve
right.
I
mean
I
understand
that
once
you
build
the
technology,
it
can
be
served
for
so
many
different
things
as
a
framework
and
it
can
be
self-care
and
can
we
serve
for
change
and
for
a
lot
of
the
technology
base.
B
But
so
I
mean
the
definition
if
we
want
to
be
a
technology
provider
or
a
staff
provider,
or
if
we
want
to
build
a
community
like
kiva,
which
I
mean
I,
the
kiva
is
still
it's:
a
billion
dollar
donations
a
year
right
I
mean
if
we
get
to
a
billion
dollar
loans
a
year.
I
mean
it's
not
a
bad
place
to
be
right.
B
You
know
the
the
key
is
I
mean
what
we
wanted
to
change.
In
the
beginning
I
mean
the
passion
of
of
gem
was
to
change
the
transparency
accessibility
of
the
money
going
to
the
ground
right,
because
there's
no
transference
in
disability
today
and
reduce
the
cost
of
of
money
going
to
the
ground,
forced
to
support
different
projects
and
the
project
we
support
can
be
entrepreneurs.
B
B
I
don't
know
that's
my
two
cent,
so
I
mean
I
think,
focusing
on
the
cause
is
very
important
now
to
bring
people
around
that
and
to
bring
the
community
around
that
and
then,
when
it's
done,
maybe
you
can
open
open
the
platform
and
give
it
to
other
organizations.
That's
a
great
idea,
but
first
we
need
to
build
a
platform.
B
E
B
I
think
if
we
in
the
last
sentence
for
me
I
mean
you
know
when
we
start
a
project
and
technology
project
and
I
think
all
of
us
know
it-
I
mean
there's
so
many
things
you
can
do
right
and
and
but
it's
tough
to
do
all
of
them
and
I
think
more,
we
focus
to
start
more
easy.
It
would
be
that
that's
my
view
and
then
we'll
see
how
we
complicate
it
later
and
that's
my
two
cents
but
happy
to
hear
everyone.
A
If
I
need,
I
want
to
answer
your
comments.
First
of
all,
thank
you
very
much.
This
was
a
great
feedback
and
I
hundred
percent
agree,
and
I
also
think
that
this
focus
thing
is
even
more
important
than
technology,
so
I
am
42
years
old
spent
many
times
in
different
projects,
and
I
can't
be
more
agreed
than
this
with
him
or
not,
but
at
this
point
you're
also
right.
There's
a
separation
between
the
focus,
the
business
and
the
technology
used.
In
the
background
of
this
here.
A
If
we
have
a
long-term
vision
of
not
being
only
the
cuba
how
the
code
would
be
developed,
how
the
code
will
be
developing
will
be
different
if,
if
the
codes,
if
we
just
focus
on
cuba,
believe
me
or
not
the
implemented
thing,
the
technology
parts
will
not
be
reusable
for
any
other
cows
or
for
any
other
thing,
without
huge
dramatic
changes.
A
On
the
other
hand,
because
here
I'm
trying
to
mention
about
a
generic
system,
whatever
is
decided
as
the
focus
points
there
will
be
no
change
about
it.
That
thing
can
still
be
our
focus.
The
managing
and
creating
a
great
community
around
us
doing
the
doing
public
relation
activities,
marketing
activities.
These
are
all
same
fine,
but
only
by
changing
some
spice
about
how
the
meetings
are
done.
A
A
B
Open
to
open
it
to
everyone
after
but
first
of
all,
I
think
there
will
be
hundreds
of
billions
of
dollars
that
will
go
into
or
aim
to
go
into
sustainability
projects
in
the
next
year
I
mean
it's
huge,
the
market
is
huge
or
what
needed
is
huge
right
and
we
want
to
give
the
transparency
that
the
money
will
go
to
the
right
place.
This
is
one,
but
let
me
tell
you
a
story.
B
I
I
had
a
startup
some
10
years
ago,
a
virtual
reality
startup
and
I
did
an
application
in
in
ios
and
an
intel
wanted
application
and
they
say
okay,
I
want
it
now
and
on
also
on
android
right,
one
application
and
it
said
great
and
they
paid
fifty
thousand
dollars.
I
don't
remember
how
much
it
was
okay,
yeah
and
I
did
it
for
them.
This
was
the
biggest
mistake
I
could
have
done.
B
Okay
to
actually
do
it
also
in
android,
because,
as
you
know,
as
a
developer,
then
I
needed
to
do
everything
in
two
different
platforms,
and
I
was
a
young
startup
with
not
a
lot
of
money
and
it
just
complicated.
I
do
developers-
and
you
know-
and
it
went
on
like
this,
so
it
was
actually
the
so
what
I'm
saying
is
yeah
I
mean
I
think
in
this
stage,
especially
when
we
start
it's
very
important
that
we
all
agree
on
under
we
discuss.
B
B
That's
it
that's
my
two
cent,
but
again
I
I
mean
everything
can
happen,
and
so
I
don't
know-
and
I
think
especially
the
technology
that
is
not
ready
yet
there's
still
a
lot
to
go
with
the
technology.
B
So
I
don't
know
my
feeling
is
that
the
community
is
the
key
and
to
start
with,
but
yeah
again,
that's
my
feeling,
but
I'm
happy
to
everyone
I
mean,
and
then
you
know
it's
a
collaborative
work
but
understand
what
to
say.
I'm
just
saying
it's
not
always
that
easy
to
when
there's
a
difference
between
a
platform
to
a
product
right,
for
example,
not
I
mean
a
sas
platform
or
a
specific
product.
D
A
Also
agree
that
I
also
agree
that
the
community
will
be
the
main
product
autistic,
so
I
I'm
also
I
was
thinking
about
it.
F
Yes,
I
think
I
think
it's
a
good
point
like
we
should
probably
focus
on
one
thing
first,
but
we
can
also.
I
think
you
know,
keep
in
mind
that
maybe
later
on,
we
want
to
open
it
up
to
other
for
other
possibilities
of,
I
think
twist
I
mean
this
is
my
first
first
time
here
in
the
little
fish
meetup.
So
I'm
not
sure,
but
I
think
we
don't
have
a
an
architecture
yet
right.
F
D
F
H
E
Thank
you
yes,
hello,
everyone,
so
basically
what
what
I
was
going
to
say
is
that
when,
whenever
you
are
starting
something
new,
whether
it
be
a
centralized
application
or
or
even
an
ngo,
the
most
important
thing
is
to
focus
on
a
test
case
that
can
be
a
showcase
as
a
success
story
for
or
basically
the
public,
and
at
that
stage
it
is
not
so
important
to
to
think
about
something.
That's
scalable
or
that's
going
to
be
replicated
like
that
precisely
in
the
future.
Perhaps
the
best
thing
is
to
focus
on
on
something
small.
E
E
So
perhaps
at
the
start
the
the
one
thing
everyone
should
focus
using
a
particular
case
that
that
would
be
the
showcase
and,
if
that
doesn't
that
precise
model
doesn't
scale
for,
for
when
the
platform
is
complete.
With
all
of
these
features,
that's
not
such
an
issue,
because
at
the
start
we
just
need
some
sort
of
test
or
validation.
I
I
Where
do
we
need
to
automate
where
the
friction
points,
where's
the
pain,
points
and
start
to
automate
the
stuff
that
will
actually
help
us
move
faster
with
our
goal
and
I'd
love
to
keep
the
focus
on
the
goal,
which
is
to
help
these
people
on
the
ground
or
get
money
out
to
where
it's
needed?
Unless
on
the
technology
at
first
and
make
sure
we're
doing
the
right
things?
And
then,
once
that
pattern
is
set,
then
start
looking
at
ways
of
automating
or
writing
the
the
frameworks
and
the
tooling
around
that
just
like
two
cents.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
hamra
for
the
presentation.
I
think
it
was
a
great
perspective
on
what
we
can
expect.
Maybe
what
our
vision
may
be
in
the
very
long
term
and
most
of
what
I've
heard
from
everyone
today,
I
don't
think
any
of
them
is
are
mutually
exclusive.
G
So,
in
the
short
term,
I
think
we
want
to
have
focus
as
most
of
us
have
agreed,
but
in
the
long
term
I
mean
keeping
in
mind
a
general
broad
vision.
I
I
agree
with
that,
like
I
think
that,
eventually,
the
technology
will
be
important
and
it's
good
to
be
talking
and
thinking
about
what
the
big
vision
is
and
if
we
set
our
lofty
goal
way
out
there
and
we
kind
of
wind
our
way
towards
it.
We're
actually
headed
that
way,
instead
of
not
having
that
conversation
and
going
in
some
other
way
and
making
it
really
hard
to
go
there
in
the
future.
I
If
we
want
to-
and
I
would
love
the
idea
of
because
it's
blockchain
and
cardano
we're
building
out-
maybe
block
lego
blocks
and
primitives
that
will
allow
any
organization
or
dow
to
snap
in
smart
contracts
and
components
to
say,
do
you
need
a
kiva-like
lending
model,
here's
a
set
of
smart
contracts
that
we've
developed
or,
if
you
want
this
other
thing,
here's
another
thing
that
we've
developed
and
being
able
to
compose
and
build
stuff
on
top
of
it
might
be
a
more
interesting
model
than
a
white
label.
I
Stack
that
you
hand
over
and
allow
people
to
take
smaller
modules
and
compose
them
in
the
way
that
makes
sense
for
the
organizations.
But
I
think
thinking
about
and
talking
about
the
technology
is
super
important
and
we
should
be
doing
that.
But
I
would
yeah
not
rush
into
actually
building
the
stuff
out
until
we
know
what
we
need
and
how
things
are
working
at
the
social
and
governance
layers
that
we're
trying
to
build
out.
I
I
can
provide
some
lists
to
existing
ethereum
dows
and
how
they
do
governance
and
voting
and
decision
making,
so
that
we
can
definitely
use
things
from
that
because
they're
ahead
of
cardano
with
dallas
and
they
have
working
governance
models
like
all
the
big
unit
swaps
and
different,
the
dao
itself
and
other
groups,
but
yeah.
I
H
Please
oh
yeah,
well
doing
manually
is
a,
I
think,
is
a
little
bit
risky
application
because
on
transactions,
first
of
all,
we
are
a
blockchain
platform
and
the
manual
transaction
we
can.
We
can
start
with
a
basic
smart
contract
that
does
something
additional
less
work
on
our
plan,
but
some
basic
smart,
smart
contracts
for
making
sure
of
some
transactions
and
some
outcomes,
because
we
need
consequences
for
some
actions.
H
So
we
can
build
at
least
some
basic
amount
of
architecture
for
the
start,
and
we
can
make
it
for
special
topics
and
maybe
like
oh
okay,
we
go,
we
do
beach,
beach
cleaning
and
we
collect
plastics
bottles,
someone
shooting
a
video
and
just
for
those
specific
events,
we
can
do
a
you
know:
blockchain
platform
integrated
tests,
it's
actually
like
for
only
that
type
of
topic
topic
first,
but
we
can
eventually
increase
that
number
of
topics
for
that
type
of
actions.
H
H
I
I
just
go
back
to
your
slide
presentation
with
the
spirals
and
I
don't
think
dao
is
at
the
center
because
we
just
can't
build
that
today,
but
maybe
it
is
some
kind
of
simple
smart
contracts
or
something
to
prove
it
but
yeah.
I
think
it's
worth
a
conversation
because
maybe
I'm
just
looking
at
all
the
other
cardno
catalyst
projects
and
they're
all
struggling
with.
They
have
a
wallet
that
somebody
controls
but
they're
a
group
of
people,
and
now
it
has
20
000
in
it
in
ada
and
then
how
do
you
distribute?
Who
controls
it?
I
Who's
a
treasurer
and
there's
a
huge,
like
almost
every
project
has
this
human
element
of
somebody
sending
data
to
people
so
it'll
be
exciting
to
get
to
that
step
where
things
are
either
governance,
token
and
people
vote
or
there's
multiple
people
who
sign
a
thing
to
transfer
money
but
and
it's
coming,
but
I
don't
know
of
anything,
that's
built
yet
so
the
conversation
is,
do
we
want
money
and
start
having
impact
now
or
do
we
want
to
spend
the
next
four
or
five
months
building
on
something
to
to
properly
track
it?
H
Yeah
and
the
other
issues,
I
don't
really
understand
why
there
is
an
issue
on
cardano
that
why
there
is
a
problem
on
smart
contracts.
That
is
what
is
the
obstacle
about
fee
splitting
or
no
payment
splitting
contracts-
or
I
don't
know
the
dao's
auto.
All
of
them
are
eventually
software
programs
are
smart
contracts,
they
are
codes.
So
it's
it's
everywhere.
It's
it's
the
same
on
everywhere.
It's
the
logic,
so
logic
doesn't
go
anywhere,
so
the
implementation
is
not
really
a
big
deal.
H
H
H
Type
of
transactions
are
made
with
smart
contracts
too.
Well,
you
can
made
a
wallet
too,
but
with
other
wallets
you
can
make
multi-signature
transactions
to
those
meta
signatures
for
the
for
that
and
all
the
blockchain
systems
are
supporting
it
because
the
signature
is
the
essential
thing
on
the
blockchain
network.
So
on
every
network
on
every
smart
contract
there
is
a
method
for
making
signatures
and
decoding
these
signatures
to
designers.
So
you
can
make
meta
transactions
and
the
signatures
and
make
multi-signature
methods
on
every
network.
I
H
H
H
They
are
not
really
hard
and
actually
they
are
so
basic
on
the
logic.
There
is
no
complex
thing
just
if
it
is
50
more
than
50
percent
and
you
are
deciding
the
volt
power
on
token
holder
amount
and
you
are
using
a
quadratic
function
for
choosing
the
selecting
the
fault
power
on
holders.
So
the
logic
is
there,
the
the
the
logic
and
the
implementation
is
not
really
hard
on
that
logic,
because
it's
simple,
so
I
think
we
can
write
down
now
with
a
basic
token
and
what
proposal
smart
contract.
H
Yeah,
of
course,
well
there's!
No,
if
you,
if
you
open
remix
right
now,
the
remix,
let
me
show
you,
the
remix
is
an
I
id
on
the
web.
So
it's
an
id
on
the
web.
You
can't
make
okay.
D
D
F
Yes,
I'm
not
sure,
maybe
someone
can
answer
this
like
what?
What
exactly
is
a
tao
and.
F
F
Of
you
heard
me
ask
that
already.
I
think
the
autonomous
part
refers
to
autonomous
from
governments,
so
I
think
no
one
has
really
done
a
dollar
yet
right.
H
Yeah,
actually
the
thing
is,
there
are
many
implementations
of
on
of
tao
on
many
projects.
The
biggest
I
think
the
well-known
implementation
of
dao
is
on
polkadot.
H
If
you
can
go
to
the
site,
they
are
using
their
holders
to
choose
on
website
decisions,
platform,
decisions
or
everything,
but
that's
not
a
complete
doubt
too.
That's
a
centralized
group
that
asks
some
holders
to
make
a
decision,
but
the
proposals
are
not
decentralized.
The
proposal
proposals
are
coming
from
the
group
members
or
polka
dots,
centralized
people,
but
of
course
the
biggest
style
is
ethereum.
H
That
gets
a
payment
for
their
actions
and
they
are
not.
You
know.
The
ethereum
is
a
decentralized
work
organization
and
there
is
no
need
for
a
centralized
leader
for
ethereum.
They
are
making
their
own
proposals,
everybody.
Everybody
can
make
a
proposal
and
proposals
are
voting
on
to
be
on
platform
or
to
make
it
to
develop
that
proposal
for
the
platform
for
ethereum
or
make
it
a
standard.
H
So
the
eips
are
for
them
for
that.
The
eeps
and
the
eeps
are
becoming
erc
standards
after
the
acceptance
of
the
proposals
and
everything
came
that
way.
So
like
this
fundraising,
cardinal
crystal
thing
or
the
other
things
are
part
of
the
dow
too.
So
we
are
making
a
proposal.
H
H
Yeah
yeah,
you
are
owner
of
the
proposal,
but
you're,
not
the
owner
of
ethereum,
because
you
are
the
proposal
owner,
but
everybody
is,
you
know,
do
you
know
how
ethereum
got
emerged
that
created
yeah.
H
Yeah
yeah
vitelli
battering
wrote
a
white
paper
and
he
had
nobody
from
that
time
on
developer
site.
He
was
just
wroting,
he
was
just
writing
about
ethereum
and
there
there
can
be
a
protocol,
we
can
do
it.
I
think
this
is
a
solution
and
somebody
some
developers
really
liked
the
idea
and
everybody
you
know
made
everybody
came
and
they
make
they
made
a
community
that
is
decentralized
on
every
place
of
worlds
any
place
of
world.
F
H
E
And
it
was
not
some
random
developers
that
joined
it,
and
it
was
dr
gavin
wood.
I
mean
solidity
was
developed
mainly
by
him
and
that's
what
gave
ethereum
the
power
to
become
what
it
is
today.
So
it's
not
like
this
community
of
self-organizing
people
got
together
and
created
this
utopia,
yeah
actually.
D
B
B
Yeah,
but
I
think
we
are
already
here.
To
be
honest,
I
mean
we
are
just
not
okay,
so
we,
you
know
people
coming
together
from
different
places
trying
to
so
we're
already
kind
of
without
right
I
mean,
but
we
are
not
defined
as
a
doubt.
There's
no
there's
no
protocol,
there's
no
technology
technology,
there's
nothing
they're,
just
people
coming
together
with
the
objective
to
create
something
right,
and
I
mean
so
that
that's
kind
of
it,
then
even
the
way
you
describe
ethereum.
I
C
I
Number
eight,
they
kind
of
have
this
kind
of
phase
transition
to
a
cardano.
Now
I
found
this
really
interesting
to
at
least
have
a
common
vocabulary
like
cardano
for
climate
right
now
is
a
level
one
dow
and
we're
trying
to
move
to
level
two
and
little
fish
we're
trying
to
talk
about
like
level
five
stuff
or
level
six
like
eventually,
and
so
I
think
it's
useful
to
have
some
kind
of
breakdown
here.
So
we
all
agree
like
when
we're
talking
about
a
dow.
I
This
is
what
we're
talking
about
as
far
as
people,
ownership,
treasury,
external
governance,
internal
governance,
tools,
toponomics
and
work
streams
and
then
how
each
one
adds
little
capability
as
you
get
more
and
more
mature
and
then
like.
In
my
mind,
level.
Five
is
what
I
think
of
as
dao
right
and
that's.
Why,
when
I
say,
cardano
has
no
doubts.
I
We
should
be
focusing
on
the
green
stuff,
and
hopefully
people
are
working
on
the
blue
and
the
purple
like
we
shouldn't
build
any
of
that,
because
that's
not
our
specialty
and
that's
not
where
we're
gonna
add
value.
We
shouldn't
be
thinking
about,
what's
the
decks
and
what's
the
protocols
and
how
the
treasury
work
and
decentralized
identity
and
smart
contracts,
this
stuff
should
be
built
and
provided
as
a
stack
of
tools,
and
we
should
be
thinking
like
my
thinking
is.
I
We
should
be
thinking
in
the
green
zone
and
where
we
can
add
value
and
once
the
cardano
ecosystem
catches
up
and
these
blue
and
purple
are
available.
We
use
them,
but
we
shouldn't
be
building
them
because
I
don't
know
if
that's
cardano
for
climate
or
littlefish's
kind
of
mandate
is
to
build
these
tools
up.
D
You
thank
you,
so
shall
we
proceed
to
the
social
aspects
and
do
you
have
comments
about
social
aspects,
nor,
especially
I'm
asking
to
you
yeah?
How
can
we
separate
little
fish?
What
should
be
our
duties
if
we
can
do
separation,
so
we
can
work
on
the
different
things
and
that
would
be
better.
I
It
can
be
done
very
simply,
but
you
need
some
kind
of
social
mechanism
to
say
here's
an
idea
of
how
to
spend
some
treasury
money.
Here's
how
we
vote,
who
gets
to
vote.
Is
it
quadratic
voting?
Is
it
plutocratic?
Is
it
one?
Each
person
gets
one
vote.
All
those
things
need
to
be
discussed
and
and
tested
before
we
put
it
on
chain
like
because
we
could
change,
we
can
go.
Oh
this
doesn't
work.
I
I
D
D
So
I'm
offering
to
open
two
channels
as
proposals
and
votes
to
disco
channel
okay,
so
we
can
share
our
ideas
inside
the
weekend.
We
can
talk
about
it
next
week,
so
everyone
have
a
clue
about
that
so
learn
by
doing
so.
What
what
further
steps
shall
we
perceive
about
making
the
donations
and
getting
the
proposals.
B
E
B
Is
we're
saying:
okay,
let's
open
a
wallet,
centralized
wallet,
managed
by
gm
and
then
starts
start
building
kind
of
a
little
bit
the
procedural
each
one
can.
B
Let's
say
the
idea
was
to
start
making
monthly
cycles
where
each
one
give
an
amount
you
want
and
then
each
member,
basically
that
give
also
can
suggest
some
projects
is
interested
in
and
we
start
building
the
format
how
to
present
the
project
to
the
community
and
how
to
present
the
the
traceability-
and
you
know
the
follow-up
on
the
money
and
then
we
vote
and
we
decide
if
we
want
to
give
it
to
one
project
or
to
multiple
projects
and
then
basically
give
and-
and
we
start
small-
and
so
by
doing
that,
I
think
we
can
discuss
between
us
all
these
different
points
that
you
just
mentioned
and
kind
of
start
having
an
initial
framework
and
in
the
following
months,
when
we
do
it,
we
are
developing
it
a
little
bit
more
and
then
in
the
third
month.
B
We
kind
of
build
the
third,
the
first
kind
of
model
that
we
all
agree
on.
That's
kind
of
the
idea
and
if
it
makes
sense
to
everyone.
G
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
but
we
should
really
make
it
concrete
at
this
point
set
some
targets
for
ourselves.
If
we're
saying
one-month
cycles,
let's
put
a
date
on
it
and
say:
okay:
let's
do
a
donation
by
the
state
and
get
it
done
by
then.
B
D
B
Be
that
already
we
know
and
we
trust
and
we
do
kind
of
a
simple
vote
and
then
we
vote
and
we
just
do
it
so
I
think
considering
christmas
and
so
on.
I
would
suggest
if
we
do
it
just
before
the
conference
I
mean
I
will
do
it
for
the
10th
of
january,
potentially
that
we
can
even
present
it
in
the
conference
if
we
are
doing
on
the
13th
with
an
activity.
B
D
B
And
I
mean
yeah
and
I
don't
know
10th
of
january-
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
good
day
melanie
will
come
with
a
fibonacci
date
if
she's
here,
but.
F
B
Projects,
I'm
just
inventing
now
three
projects
and
a
wallet
and
a
wallet
ready
to
send
the
money
to,
and
then
we
share
this
with
everyone
that
wants
and
we
tell
them
until
the
seven
send
the
money
and
then
on
the
10.
We
vote
I'm
just
inventing
now,
so
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
something
else
to
say,
I'm
just
giving
something
that
looks
reasonable.
B
D
B
And
then
second
cycle
will
be
already
more
knowledgeable
and,
and
we
can
present
it
if
we
have
just
in
the
beginning
of
january,
if
we
have
a
meet
up,
if
we
have
a
the
first
meeting
of
the
year,
we
can
invite
a
lot
of
people
to
come
and
see
and
present
to
them
the
model
and
see
who
wants
to
join
with
five
eight
dollars.
Ten
eight
dollars,
fifty
eight
hundred
dollars,
whatever
you
want
and
and
participate
in
the
first
cycle.
G
B
B
B
B
G
F
G
B
E
G
B
B
F
F
B
Makes
sense
so
for
the
first
one
we
proposed
few
just
few
ones
and
then
we
vote
on
one
of
them
and
each
person
that
proposed
one
have
to
say
it
can
be
from
the
community.
Maybe-
and
you
can
say
why
propose
this
one
and
kind
of
we
need
to
build
a
simple
form
to
why
you
propose
this
one,
and
now
we
are
going
to
trace
it
and
provide
that
responsibility
for
the
community.
B
H
Yeah,
that
was
I
mean,
but
that's
what
I
meant.
I
mean
we
can
make
a
proposal
and
voting
smart
contract
for
the
first
time.
With
the
token.
H
For
voting
there's
so
many
so
many
options
and
there
there
are
so
many
easy
options
for
the
smart
contracts
too,
because
and
for
the
you
know,
for
who
gets
the
money
or
where
is
where
we'll
be
the
money
think
is.
H
There
is
ease
of
solutions
for
that
too,
for
example,
if
that
was
on
ethereum,
I
could
make
methods
for
no.
We
can
make
a
signature
that
lasts
for
20
seconds,
20
minutes
or
20
days.
How
much
you
want
and
we
can
make
a
signature,
no
multiple.
We
can
collect
our
multiple.
We
can
collect
our
signatures
for
a
transaction
to
make
our
you
know
to
say
that
I
accept
this
transaction
and
we
can
collect
every
member's
signatures
and
make
the
transactions
with
that.
H
H
H
H
H
That
is.
That
means,
if
you
sign
a
shroud,
just
a
transaction
and
use
it
as
a
signature.
You
can
use
that
signature,
everybody
every
everywhere.
You
know
you
can
make.
You
know
that
transaction
with
that
signature,
because
the
blockchain
network
works
like
that,
but
we
are
assigning
actually
another
object
with.
H
You
know,
timestamp,
and
if
we
assign
a
transaction
or
translation
like
object
with
a
timestamp
and
then
on
our
smart
contract,
the
smart
contract
is
going
to
check
the
timestamp
to
making
sure
that
the
signature
is
on
the
is
on
the
how
I
say
this
is
on
the
right
time:
no
on
the
right.
H
G
H
H
We
can
use
polygon.
Argon
is
a
layer.
Two
solution,
I
think
yeah
aragon
is
pretty
good.
I
think
yeah.
G
Okay,
I'd
like
to
go
over
this
one
more
time,
so
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
So
our
let's
say
short-term
goals
are
to
have
a
one-pager
by
the
new
by
new
year's,
explaining
what
we're
doing
and
opening
up
for
proposals
and
then
we're
getting
going
to
get
some
proposals
from
the
community.
I
don't
think
we
have.
D
E
D
D
G
D
B
B
G
Yeah:
okay,
the
things
I've
listed.
G
B
I
B
I
B
G
B
G
G
B
That
people
I
mean
just
say,
iteration,
zero,
a
donation
process
or
donation;
first.
G
H
B
B
G
G
B
B
G
G
G
B
G
Yeah
did
simon
take
notes
on
the
meeting.
I
think
he
did
maybe
put
that
on
github.
B
B
Perfect
so
let's
do
tomorrow,
let's
have.