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From YouTube: MakerDAO Community Meeting - October 9, 2018
Description
Special Guests
- Nik Kunkels give us his presentation from ETHSanFrancicso on Price Feeds and Oracles at MakerDAO
- Sean Brennen talk about the Hackathon and demos a very cool app from our friends at CryptoPay
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A
A
B
I
kind
of
talked
for
ten
minutes
before
to
prosper,
court,
so
I
kind
of
wasted.
All
my
good,
sound
bytes,
but
today
is
gonna,
be
a
bit
shambolic
because,
like
Jeff
said,
she's
in
the
community
groups
is
kind
of
in
the
thick
of
the
San
Francisco
block
chain
week
and
people
that
aren't
there
are
busy
planning
odd
watching
week,
which
collection,
Greeks
never
ends.
So
there's
no
led
happening
on
the
online
front.
B
B
Interesting
news,
though,
we've
seen
some
interesting
price
action
with
the
maker
token
and
your
we've
been
having
conversations
trying
to
figure
out
exactly.
Why
that's
the
case
and
nobody
seems
to
have
a
really
clear
answer.
I
think
that
frequently
there
there
never
is
a
single
reason
why
these
things
happen
is
probably
accumulating
in
neuro
from
five
or
six
different
things.
But
we
have
tremendous
amount
of
news.
B
Excellent
thing
I
want
to
talk
about,
is
this
is
kind
of
big
for
us,
it's
big
for
everybody.
It's
big
for
the
ecosystem.
Auger
is
coming
out
with
version
two
of
their
platform
and
they've
been
receiving
a
bit
of
criticism
here
in
there
about
the
first
iteration,
which
I
find
a
significant
amount
of
sympathy
with
them,
because
who
are
kind
of
in
the
same
boat
we
make
it
out,
builds
things
and
releases
them
and
and
then
we
iterate
and
our
first
iteration
wasn't
pretty
either.
B
So
that's
exciting
news
other
than
that,
though,
there's
there's
not
a
lot
to
talk
about
in
the
online
world
and,
as
just
mentioned,
we'll
be
hearing
from
Shawn,
but
Nick
is
also
here
as
well
and
he's
going
to
be
giving
us
a
presentation
that
he
made
for
San,
Francisco,
folks,
Oracle's
and
price
feeds
and
how
they
work
at
maker
Dow.
Some
interesting
tidbits
about
the
future
controls
and
fluidity
well
actually
going
to
talk
about
this
as
well
Mariano.
B
A
Rich
I
guess
that,
starting
next
week
we
can
do
a
section
on
the
community
call
called
the
burning
question
where
we
can
gather
some
questions
around
the
community
that
might
not
be
interested
related
to
maker
also
can
be
from
doing
block
chain
or
maybe
about
change,
and
we
can
discuss
a
bit
here.
So
we
can
stand
conversation
topics
our
goal
and
hopefully
more
people
get
into
the
conversation
right.
Yeah.
B
I
love
that
idea.
I
think
this
will
definitely
start
that
off
next
week,
and
that
was
a
good
suggestion
he
made
to
so
we
should
probably
pull
people,
maybe
ask
a
week
ahead.
If
they
have
any
questions
or
they
can
add
them
to
the
maybe
the
weekly
discussion
thread
and
read
it
so,
whatever
the
major
topic
is
people
are
people
can
suggest
questions
to
be
debated
on
the
next
fall,
and
then
we
can
pick
one
of
those
I
think
it'd
be
great
to
have
a
little
round
table,
maybe
well.
B
A
Up
today,
and
now,
as
I
told
you
and
I
guess
last
week-
and
we
had
Columbia
habit
on
this
week
and
we
will,
having
a
happy
hour
to
after
the
even
closest
on
October
18
I
will
announce
where
it's
going
to
be
or
Stickley
and
what
else
well
nothing
much
from
our
side.
We
have
a
couple
of
business
development
meetings
here
in
the
in
the
continent.
Who
will
choose
to
my
integration
on
exchanges
sounds.
A
And
now
it's
kinda
like
in
standby
dollar
is
carrying
depreciated
at
this
moment,
I,
don't
know
why.
Maybe
it's
like,
as
I
heard,
on
the
news
thing
that
is
happening
on
the
emerging
markets
right
now,
except
for
Turkey,
but
besides,
that
is
just
like
a
standby
economy,
because
we
have
one.
Actually,
you
already
know
a
lot
of
inflation,
but
the
worst
thing
about
that
is
that
we
had
like
all
the
industries
are
like
stopped
right
now
they
are
not
growing
at
all.
In
fact,
they
are
like
decreasing
in
terms
of
B.
C
B
C
Again,
I
was
muted.
Sorry,
yes,
last
week
we
had
we
had
stable
coin
event.
There
was
there
was
a
post
out
about
it
just
recently,
and
we
also
had
the
recap
of
tech
BBQ,
where
we
had
the
visit
by
Crown.
Prince
I
can
paste
the
links
in
and
we
will
have
event
on
this
Thursday
at
Danish,
Technical
University
called
high
tech
summit,
where
Runa
will
be
speaking.
Runa
has
spoken
on
two
events
last
week
and
yeah,
and
also
a
crown
prince.
That
was
him
who
welcomed
him.
B
C
Disick,
our
rich
feel
free
to
fill
me
and,
if
I
forget
anything
but
I
guess
we
will
begin
with
status
hackathon
that
will
be
themed,
crypt
alive,
which
we
are
sponsoring
Tier
one
sponsor.
So
we
look
forward
to
to
have
a
presentation
and
be
part
of
the
hackathons,
be
there
welcoming
people
at
our
stand
as
well
and
discussing
some
real
everyday
use
life
hacks.
So
we
really
hope
that
this
will
contribute
to
to
the
adoption
of
died,
stable
coin.
For
that.
B
C
Think
you
covered
it
well,
I
think
those
were
the
two
two
events
that
will
happen
subsequently
after
the
crypto
live,
hackathon
is
finished.
It
takes
place
from
26
to
28
in
national
house
and
on
the
29th.
We
have
another
event
where
Maker
is
participating.
It's
a
defi
summit.
There
has
been
a
version
of
the
FI
summit
in
San
Francisco.
That
Jessica
was
part
of
right.
Maybe
you
want
to
say
something
yeah.
A
B
Really
exciting,
I
think
that
it's
a
good
look
for
us
I
think
that's!
We
got
these
conferences
and
it's
not
always
what
you
always
have
parody
with
people
that
were
there
with.
So
it
could
be
anything
in
the
crypto
space,
but
we're
sort
of
this
juggernaut
of
Finance
and
the
defy
event.
It's
other
organizations
in
the
centralized
finance
space
which
is
really
exciting.
So
that's
San,
Francisco
I
think
there
was
there
some
big
ones
like
harbor
Didache,
who
else
was
there
a
wire?
B
C
B
C
B
C
E
B
E
So
I
so
I
had
a
actually
a
two,
so
I
had
one
to
talk
and
Oracle's
of
price
fees
and
kind
of
talking
about
how
we
architected
the
verbals
in
the
past.
What
we
are
kind
of
working
on
in
that
domain
right
now
and
how,
in
the
future
that
back
mountain
ball
incident
is
something
even
face.
Sometimes
the
talk
was
kind
of
titled.
You
know
Oracle's
into
the
past
present
and
future
okay,
so
so
I
think
I
have
it
pulled
up
here
in
a
second.
B
It's
weird
how
Oracle's
sort
of
not
on
this
cyclical
sort
of
level
of
interest
every
once
in
a
while
like
a
year
ago,
that
was
going
to
be
the
way
the
blockchain
actually
succeeded
in
the
real
world
and
people
sort
of
stopped
talking
about
it
and
then
somehow
we
arose
is
sort
of
being
a
leader
in
this
space.
I
shouldn't
say
somehow
through
through
that
the
keen
intellect
of
Nick
and
Mariano
and
the
rest
of
the
team
we've
emerged
to
sort
of
leaders
in
this
Oracle
space,
which
is
really
cool.
B
E
What
of
what
I
kind
of
what
we
kind
of
settled
on
was
that
Oracle's
enabled
apps
to
utilize
off
chain
information
on
chain
and
right,
and
the
reason
that
we
need
them
is
because
a
blockchain
smart
contracts
cannot
kind
of
communicate
with
the
wider
web
like
the
Internet,
so
any
kind
of
needs
to
be
principled
on
to
the
blockchain
first
before
that
information
can
then
be
utilized
and
so
know
at
maker.
The
obvious
use
case
for
us
is
pricing,
and
so
kind
of
this
term.
E
All
of
this
sim
for
me
publishing
it
on
chain,
and
then
there
is
the
on
chain
component,
which
is
the
smart
contract
that
is
then
holding
the
data
that
everyone
on
the
blockchain
all
the
gaps
can
then
query
to
get
that
data,
so
I
like
to
call
the
off
chain,
the
broadcaster
and
the
on
chain
of
the
relayer,
but
these
are
by
no
means
industry
standard
norms.
This
is
just
kind
of
oh
I
like
to
look
at
it,
and
so
this
was
once
again,
you
know
talking
with
the
article
talking
with
the
audience.
E
You
know
what
are
Oracle's
used
for
they're,
very
good
at
tracking
any
kind
of
numerical
quantity,
anything
that
is
very
objective
and
not
subjective,
so
you
can
imagine
for
maker
stuff,
like
price
data
of
an
asset
volume,
growth
in
some
kind
of
statistic
or
metric
attestation
to
to
something
so
Oh
a
test
saying
whether
an
event
occurred
on
SNC
or
if
he
did
not.
You
know
there
was
a
global
settlement
on
this
day.
E
E
Api,
so
kind
of
you
know
what
are
the
challenges
related
to
Oracle's?
Well,
there's
quite
a
few
I
like
to
narrow
it
down
to
these
four
trust,
security,
latency
and
cost.
So
in
terms
of
trust,
you
have
to
trust
kind
of
the
where
the
prices
are
coming
from.
You
have
to
trust
the
entire
infrastructure
that
it's
you
know
coded
correctly,
that
there's
no
way
for
some
kind
of
third
party
to
to
interject
or
to
kind
of
do
a
hostile
takeover
right.
If
you
have
a
data
source,
no
one
trusts
it
them.
E
It's
useless
data
source
security
right
stuff,
like
is
this
hackable.
Can
someone
compromise
the
this?
Can
someone
manipulate
the
data?
Can
someone
you
know
manipulate
the
way
that
this
data
is
collected,
processed
and
distributed
in
a
way
where
they
can
force
the
price
or
you
don't
force
the
data
in
some
direction
right
and
there's
a
latency
right.
So
when
a
price
is
brought,
is
you
know
seen
how
long
does
it
take?
You
know
to
get
on
chain?
E
You
know
if
you
see
a
price
on
chain,
how
you
know
fresh
is
that
price,
so
kind
of
liveness
and
the
last
one
is
cost
right.
So
every
aetherium
transaction
right
cost
gas.
So
if
you
do
a
lot
of
aetherium
transactions,
you
know
you're
gonna
be
spending
a
lot
of
money,
and
so
one
thing
to
know
is
that
latency
costs
are
kind
of
interrelated
here.
E
So
if
you
want
to
have
less
latency,
that
means,
if
you
want
to
have
less
time
in
between
the
price
up,
it's
it's
gonna,
be
more,
do
you
need
to
do
more
transactions
and
if
you
have
a
higher
tolerance
for
latency,
if
you
were
willing
to
say
you
know,
this
price
can
stay
valid
for
half
an
hour.
Well,
okay,
now
you'll
need
to
seven
one
transaction
every
hour
or
every
half
hour
right.
B
E
Sounds
like
trust,
yeah
yeah,
that's
that's
included
under
under
the
trust
model
and
and
you'll
see
later
in
the
presentation
that
I
actually
go
into
that
specifically,
so
this
is
kind
of
how
we
have
done
Oracle's
in
the
past.
So
this
is
what's
running,
for
single
collateral
die
right
now,
and
so
what
you'll
see
is
we
have
some
price
sources?
E
These
are
not
the
only
price
sources
we
query,
but
for
the
sake
of
having
the
diagram
be
clean,
these
are
these
are
the
three
I
chose
and
then
you'll
see
these.
So
these
are
all
individuals
who
are
running
a
set,
sir
price
pot
at
the
moment,
so
these
feel
kind
of
the
broadcaster
role
I
was
talking
about
earlier
and
what
they
do
is
they
take
the
price
from
all
of
these
sources
and
they
take
the
median
and
then
they
publish
this
median
to
their
kind
of
feed
contract.
E
E
Know
one
little
data
structure
to
put
in
the
data
as
well
as
the
timestamp
of
when
that
data
was
published
and
then
just
kind
of
read,
write
methods
to
you
know
read
that
data
or
write
new
data,
so
part
of
when
you
update
these
feed
contracts.
Is
that
the
median
Iser?
Yes
post?
What
the
median
ITAR
does
is.
It
pulls
all
of
the
data
values
from
all
of
the
different
feed
contracts
and
takes
the
median
from
them.
E
E
Excuse
me
and
that
delay
kind
of
helps
us
to
protect
against
any
kind
of
Oracle
attack.
Silla.
Let's
say
the
broadcaster's
colluded
into
broadcasting
a
bad
price,
and
you
know
you
could,
for
example,
say
that
the
price
of
aetherium
is
a
trillion
dollars
right
and
then
you
can
mint
unlimited
amounts
of
dye
right,
even
with
just
one
one
Eve
or
you
know
separate,
a
separate
attack
could
be.
You
set
the
price
of
it
to
zero,
and
now
everybody
gets
everyone.
E
So,
every
time
any
of
the
broadcaster's
are
updating
their
feed
contracts.
Okay,
it's
it's
a
one
transaction
right,
and
on
top
of
that,
not
only
does
it
just
update
the
feed
contract
right,
it
triggers
the
media
neiser
to
have
to
call
all
of
the
other
feed
contracts
right,
which
is
an
external
contract
call
which
is
very,
very
expensive
in
terms
of
gas.
E
Sorting
is
a
very
expensive
operation
in
terms
of
gas.
For
those
of
you
who
are
kind
of
computer
science
whizzes,
we
say
that
sorting
is
n
log
n
and
the
blockchain
does
not
really
do
well
with
any
kinds
of
essence.
That's
scaled
by
n
log
n
watching
does
much
better
with
kind
of
constant
time
operations.
That
means
that
a
no
matter
how
big
the
input
is,
it
will
always
get
done
in
the
same
amount
of
time
versus
n
log
n
as
the
input
and
gets
larger
and
larger
and
larger
the
amount
of
resources.
E
Another
drawback
about
this
kind
of
architecture
is
that
you
know
so
we
just
talked
about
that-
has
very
high
cost,
but
it
can
also
have
very
low
reliability
when
the
etherium
kind
of
mean
that
network
is
very
congested
right.
There
are
periods
when
the
gas
price
goes
up
to
3045.
You
know
60g
way,
and
you
know
the
costs
during
those
periods-
updating
Oracle's,
it's
not
really
the
only
problem
right
you
can
have
so
so
many
transactions
in
the
mempool,
for
example,
that
a
you
know
an
Oracle's,
a
feats.
You
know
transaction
doesn't
go
through.
E
Exactly
and-
and
this
is
exactly
probably
you
know
the
network
kind
of
blows
up
in
terms
of
usage
a
lot
when
you
know
some
cataclysmic
event
happens
in
the
blockchain
world.
You
know
maybe
eath
dropped
a
ton
or
you
know
maybe
there's
some
crazy
rally
or
something
like
that,
and
so
these
are
the
exact
moments.
When
people
want
to
use
the
die
credit
system,
the
most
right
they
want
to
either.
You
know
when
the
price
is
rallying,
they
want
to
open
new
CD,
PS
and
Go
marchin
long
when
the
price
is
crashing.
E
E
For
the
lunch
well,
we'll
see
it
kind
of
depends
on
progress,
but
this
new
implementation
kind
of
heavily
centers
on
this
thing
called
secure
scuttlebutt
and
what
secure
scuttlebutt
is.
Is
it's
a
peer-to-peer
kind
of
gossip
network
protocol?
No,
so
so
what
does
that
mean?
It
means
that
if
I
am
running
a
peer
and
Rich's
running,
a
peer
and
sean
is
running,
a
peer
and
jess
is
running,
appear
and
I'm
connected
to
rich
and
rich
is
connected
to
Jess
and
Deshawn.
E
I
can
post
a
message
and
even
though
and
I
want
to
send
it
to
Jess,
but
even
I'm
not
connected
to
Jess
I'm,
only
connected
to
rich
but
rich
is
connected,
suggest.
So
I
could,
which
and
he'll
pass
it
on
it's
kind
of
the
gist
of
how
a
a
gossip
network
works
right.
It
is
manages
to
send
messages
to
people
you're
not
directly
connected
to
one.
B
E
Sure
so
that's
that's
definitely
a
benefit
right.
So
if
one
person
goes
offline,
it's
a
it's
no
big
deal,
but
that
was
also
very
much
property
in
the
the
previous
implementation.
That's
very
that's
definitely
a
useful
characteristic
to
have,
and
that's
definitely
why
we
want
that
in
this
iteration,
as
well
and
kind
of
the
the
best
layman's
way
that
I
can
explain,
secure
scuttlebutt
is
with
an
analogy
kind
of
subscribing
a
to
to
Twitter.
E
So
on
Twitter
you
post
a
message
right
and
people
can
retweet
you
and
you
know
people
can
follow
you
and
I.
Think
these
terms
work
really
well
in
the
striving
scuttlebutt.
So
is
he
just
come
up
here
kind
of
has
their
own
little
Twitter
kind
of
feed
write
their
own
little
Twitter
profile,
feed
and
if
I
was
running,
one
I
would
publish
messages
right
messages
containing
price
data
on
my
feet
and
anyone
who
is
following
me
can
then
see
those
messages
so
rich
in
the
previous
example.
E
Rich
is
connected
to
me
and
he
can
now
see
the
messages
that
I've
tweeted
and
what
rich
will
do
is
then
retweet
that
message
on
his
feet
and
now
Jess
and
Sean,
who
are
following
Rich,
see
that
tweet
on
Rich's
feet
and
now
they
retweet
it
on
there.
So
this
is
kind
of
how
this
whole
message.
Distribution
scheme
works.
E
One
thing
about
Scala
is
that
it's
very,
very
similar
to
block
chains,
so
the
messages
are
immutable,
meaning
that,
if
you
publish
a
message,
you
cannot
publish
a
different
message
right
that
then
you
get
massive.
You
cannot
delete
a
message
or
you
cannot
edit
a
message,
and
this
is
because
all
of
the
messages
kind
of
include
a
signature
and
it's
singing
particular
is
basically
just
the
kind
of
describing
what
the
data
contents
are
of
a
message.
E
E
Similarly,
because
of
all
this
kind
of
retweeting
going
on,
it
means
everyone
has
a
copy
of
the
entire
message
stream,
and
this
is
very
useful,
for
example,
for
auditing
Oracle's.
So
if
you
have
a
message,
you
know
from
some
Oracle
saying
that
the
price
of
ether
is,
you
know
only
twenty
dollars.
Well,
you
know
you
want
to
know
what
happened
there
right.
Why
did
that
work?
We'll
say
that,
and
you
can
look,
how
did
that
work?
Okay
under
that
conclusion
right,
so
you
know
going
back
when
it
pulled
the
prices
from
Gemini
coin
based
metrics.
E
What
prices
did
it
get
right?
How
did
it
arrive
at
this
$20
each
value
metric?
Was
there
a
glitch
in
the
coin
base
API
that
had
all
of
the
Oracles
kind
of
reporting
$20
for
for
that
particular
period?
Or
is
it
a
kind
of
malicious
attack?
And
so
that's
provides
us
a
lot
more
kind
of
flexibility
in
auditing?
E
This
is
something
that's
still
kind
of
in
development,
but
the
essential
idea
is
that
all
of
these
feeds
right
are
constantly
reading
other
people's
messages,
and
they
should
be
having
close
to
the
same
data,
and
if
someone
else
has
data
that
is
really
really
off
from
what
you
have.
You
can
send
a
challenge
message
to
them,
which
is
basically
calling
out
someone's
bad
behavior
and
what
a
Oracle
would
do
if
it
gets.
E
If
it
sees
a
challenge,
message
issued
to
them
is
basically
a
check,
their
data
all
over
again,
just
to
make
sure
that
their
data
is
correct
and
if
it's
incorrect,
then
they
will
respond
to
the
challenge
by
invalidating
the
previous
price
message
by
posting,
a
new
message
and
if
they
stand
by
there,
if
they
don't,
you
know,
see
anything
wrong
with
their
data
right,
then
they
reject
the
challenge,
and
so
this
challenge
message
kind
of
thing
can
provide
a
lot
of
triggers
for
auditing.
Listen.
E
That
is
by
creating
a
signature
using
with
the
data,
the
timestamp
and
my
private
key,
and
so
what
we
can
do,
then,
is
the
big
benefit
of
this
is
now.
We
only
need
one
transaction
to
update
the
media
Nizer,
because
so
in
the
previous
thing,
what
you
can
see
is
each
broadcaster
is
doing
one
transaction
to
the
smart
contract
right
and
so
for
n
Oracle's
right.
You
have
n
transactions.
E
In
this
new
model,
we
don't
need
to
have
that
anymore,
because
in
scuttle
bot
all
of
these
priced
messages
are
being
collected
right
and
all
of
these
signatures
are
being
collected
and
the
median
can
you
know
we
already
know
kind
of
from
the
off
chain
stuff
what
the
median
is
going
to
be.
So
we
can
already
pre
sort
the
data
right.
So
the
median
Iser
doesn't
need
to
do
this
expensive
operation
of
calling
the
data
from
the
contracts.
It
doesn't
need
to
do
this
expensive
operation
of
sorting.
E
It
doesn't
need
to
do
this
expensive
operation
of
finding
the
median.
So
what
we've
done
is
just
completely
massively
downgraded
the
the
cost
of
running
these
Oracle's
and
not
only
is
the
cost
lower,
but
because
the
costs
are
so
much
lower.
We
can
reduce
the
the
latency
as
well
right,
because
we
talked
earlier
that
cost
and
latency
kind
of
have
this.
E
So
the
real
goals
of
all
of
this
was
just
to
really
reduce
the
costs,
but
one
kind
of
side
benefit
that
we
get.
Is
that
the
median
Iser
since
it
doesn't
need
to
do
sorting
anymore,
since
it
doesn't
need
to
call
all
these
external
contracts
anymore?
It
the
smart
contracts,
write
complexity
goes
way
way
way
down,
because
we
can
remove
like
99
and
that
thing
over
smart
contracts.
You
know
security
is
kind
of
heavily
based
on
kind
of
complexity,
I
would
say
the
more
complex
you
make
something
the
more
likely
it
is.
E
B
E
Ok,
ok,
sorry
guys!
Let
me
let
me
just
skip
to
the
last
slide.
Then
real,
quick,
I'll
wrap
up
in
a
minute.
So
these
are
some
other
things.
We're
looking
at
we're,
looking
at
giving
kind
of
incentive
schemes
and
staking
schemes
for
Oracle's
right,
because
Oracle's
are
providing
a
valuable
service.
So
they
and
as
the
dye
system
scales
to
large
amounts
right,
they
are
going
to
have
some
kind
of
monetary
incentive
to
be
a
bad
actor.
So
we
need
to
compensate
them
in
some
kind
of
dynamic
way.
E
E
Like
you
can
say,
this
is
the
median,
and
here
is
a
proof
that
says
that
this
is
actually
the
medium
that
I
calculated
and
here's
how
I
calculated
it,
and
so
essentially
what
you
can
do
is
now
you
don't
even
need
to
send
all
of
the
pricing
data
anymore,
which
is
now
the
kind
of
constraining
factor
in
terms
of
gas
cost.
You
can
just
send
the
medium
in
this
proof
instead,
so
that
would
be
really
cool.
Instead
of
having
individual
signatures
from
each
eath
account,
we
can
use
threshold
signatures
instead.
E
So
then
we
only
need
to
pass
one
signature,
and
the
last
thing
we're
looking
at
is
running
Oracle's
on
Intel
SGX
until
I
see.
X
is
a
kind
of
trusted
execution
environment,
which
means
that
it's
a
way
for
you
to
prove
to
a
third
party
that
you
are
running
a
particular
say
code,
and
so,
when
a
third
party
gives
you
data,
if
they
can
prove
to
you
how
they
got
that
data.
Now
you
can
trust
the
data
that
party
gave
you.
B
This
is,
this
is
absolutely
amazing.
I
love
the
scuttled
by
stuff.
There's
a
lot
to
unpack
there
and
I
feel
bad
about
rushing
you,
because
that
last
slide
had
a
lot
of
like
futuristic
science
in
there.
As
soon
as
you
get
that
stuff
implemented,
then
I
definitely
want
to
have
another
conversation.
This
rustic
computing
environments,
all
of
it
it's
it's
amazing,
all
right,
yeah,.
A
A
E
B
A
B
D
That's
Michael
I
do
have
a
yeah
heard
song
attendance,
a
shimmer
screen
so
mostly
talk
about
youth,
San,
Francisco,
there's
about
a
thousand
hackers
120-pound
resubmitted
and
about
20
of
those
or
more
used.
I
I,
just
posted
a
link
to
the
post.
If
you're
interested
checking
it
out,
you
can
sort
by
which
project
they
submitted
to.
So
you
can
find
all
the
Mike
repel
projects
or
many
other
companies
there
and
if
you
want
to,
they
have
it
which
ones
one
on
their
Twitter
I.
D
Don't
think
they've
actually
released
a
list
of
the
finalists,
but
they
took
ten
finalists
and
a
lot
of
those
used
I.
One
of
them
I'd
like
to
highlight
is
one
Kurt.
Okay,
she's
made
by
had
same
developers
that
one
even
the
attack
on
its
basic
way
to
hey
with
set
up
invoices
and
hey
with
any
token,
and
it
gets
converted
using
the
khyber
network
to
die
and
the
die
is
passed
on
to
the
vendor.
D
This
is
the
website
they've
made,
so
you
basically
can
create
a
invoice
link
with
certain
cost
associated
with
it
and
description
that
creates
a
URL.
And
when
you
go
to
that
URL,
you
see
hey
now
button
with
twenty
guy
but
say
if
you
don't
have
died,
you
can
say
you
have
own
g
tokens
or
something
else.
B
B
You
know
that's
its
that's
shattering
a
bit
I
think
oh,
but
maybe
I'm,
reading
too
much
into
it,
but
it's
get
people
the
opportunity
to
do
decentralized,
trustless,
financing,
any
great
wants
to
take
a
bicycle
after
them
and
then
finance
that
through
a
CDP
and
then
pay
off
your
CVP
overtime
or
wait
for
your
collateral
to
appreciate
or
something
it's
a
really
an
amazing
idea.
Yeah.
D
I'm
just
making
it
super
super
simple
to
open
a
CDP
and
use
that
aspect
of
it.
Yeah
I
agree:
it's
it's
really
really
cool
and
there
again
there
the
code
to
do
that
is
all
open
source.
And
it's
in
here.
One
interesting
to
note
from
you
developing
certain
point
is
that
caviar
networks
only
on
Robson
and
our
test
network
was
on
covin,
so
they
had
to
angle
yeah
like
there's
a
half
of
it
works
on
Cove
and
half
of
it
works
in
Robson,
but
when
they
deploy
this
to
the
main
net,
everything
will
work.
D
D
You
can
read
about
that
there
and
the
other
:
is
called
Robin
bog,
which
it's
kind
of
a
white
hat
hacker
sort
of
thing
where
people
have
lost
money
when
these
hackathons,
where
they
thought
that
something
was
incest
net
and
they
caused
that
they
published
a
github
and
it's
on
may
net,
and
if
someone
sees
that
they
can
steal
their
money.
So
this
is
like
it's
a
constant
looking
using
the
github
API
to
find
that
information,
and
then
it
basically
takes
it
and
emails
them
saying
hey.
D
I'm
not
I,
think
they're,
giving
it
back.
All
of
it
is
the
actually
one
summer
prize
at
the
eath
wonder:
series
hackathon
they're,
like
the
crypto
Cup
team,
they're,
the
other
cool
guys,
that's
pretty
little
possession
yeah
I,
don't
think
they
monetizing
it
I,
don't
know
if
it's
actually
running
live
after
this,
but
it
like
the
proof
of
concept
works
should
follow
up
on
that.
B
B
D
D
And
oh,
my
couple
minutes
left,
but
the
last
one
to
highlight
is
someone
very
similar
to
crypto
pay,
not
quite
as
polished,
it's
called
stable
pay
and
they
use
0x
to
do
instead
of
using
Khyber
Network.
They
use
0x
to
do
their
transformations,
but
it's
still,
you
can
pay
with
any
token
and
then
would
be
transferred
or
it'd
be
converted
using
0x
and
transferred
on
as
a
dye
to
to
someone.
D
B
Right
this
amazing
thanks
for
that,
thanks
for
the
demo
and
also
I,
think
we
should
wrap
it
up
so
thanks
Nick
or
for
your
presentation
and
we're
looking
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
future
demo
of
your
presentations,
keep
us
up
to
date
on
that,
thanks
from
Mariano
chests
and
lenka,
and
everybody
else
who
joined
I
will
be
posting
this
to
YouTube
soon.
Alright,
thanks
everybody
thank.