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From YouTube: Meet Your Delegate | Ep. 5 Ft. UltraSchuppi
Description
Introducing one of the proposed delegates for MakerDAO Governance, UltraSchuppi (Tim Schuppi).
Maker Forum: https://forum.makerdao.com/
Maker Chat: https://chat.makerdao.com/
Host - LongForWisdom
Forum - LongForWisdom
Chat - LongForWisdom
Tim Schuppi
Forum - UltraSchuppi
Chat - Schuppi
A
Right,
hello,
everyone
and
welcome
this
is
up
to
the
fifth
meet
your
delegate
meeting.
My
name
is
payton.
I
go
by
pros
11
online,
I'm
one
of
the
governance
facilitators
and
I've
got
the
honor
of
hosting
tim
schupner
here
today
it
goes
by
shoopy
or
ultra
shoopy,
depending
on
the
makeup
platform
and
yeah
we'll
be
having
a
meet.
Your
delegate
talk
for
those
who
haven't,
attended
or
maybe
joining
us
after
the
fact
on
the
recording.
A
Our
structure
is
pretty
simple:
we
give
about
five
to
ten
minutes
to
our
delegates,
to
let
them
know
a
little
bit
about
themselves.
Their
platform
share
any
slides
they
wish
to
present
and
then
the
rest
of
this
session
will
be
q.
A
we
do
cap
these
at
30
minutes
to
try
to
be
respectful
to
all
delegates.
You
know
whether
they
joined
earlier
or
later
on
in
the
process,
keep
it
as
standardized
as
possible,
but
I
won't
waste
too
much
more
time
minor
housekeeping
things.
B
A
Appropriate
this
is
being
recorded,
so
do
be
aware
of
that
and
we'll
be
going
on
youtube
later.
So
please
try
not
to
speak
over
each
other
and
meet
yourself
when
you're,
not
speaking
just
to
cut
down
on
background
noise,
feels
like
I
dotted
all
the
eyes
and
crossed
all
the
t's
there.
If
you
thought
of
anything
else,
feel
free
to
say
something,
but
without
further
ado
I'll
pass
it
over
to
you.
C
Thanks,
peyton
cool,
so
let
me
try
to
get
this
thing
running,
so
everybody
should
see
a
nice
screen,
a
nice
picture
not
made
by
me.
No,
I
hope
yeah.
So
welcome
to
my
meet
your
delegate
session.
My
name
is
tim
schupner,
I'm
40
years
old,
I'm
married.
I
have
three
boys
at
home
with
the
age
of
ten
seven
and
five,
I'm
a
german
citizen
and
I'm
living
pretty
close
to
the
border
to
france
in
the
southwest.
C
That's,
I
think
enough
for
me
personally
right
now
a
bit
of
background
on
me
and
my
relationship
to
jamaica,
so
I
got
in
ethereum
in
2017
by
the
time
we
hadn't
too
many
projects
running
on
ethereum,
so
I
quickly
found
from
mecca
and
found
the
product
very
interesting.
I
opened
up
a
ward
or
cp
by
the
time
in
the
beginning
of
2018.
C
minded
some
die
leveraged
on
eve
also
bought.
My
first
mkr
token
also
was
participating
and
liquidations
through
this
nice
ui.
We
had
by
the
time,
and
then
I
basically
started
lurking
in
rocket
shed
and
in
the
forum
for
about
a
year,
I
would
say
I
think
I
even
signed
up
pretty
late,
because
if
you're
just
reading,
you
don't
need
anything
there
around
that
time.
I
also
thought
that
having
car
tokens
is
also
not
only
an
investment
thing,
but
also
something
that
I
should
actively
use.
C
So
I
put
my
mkr
into
the
voting
contract
and
started
yeah,
basically
by
by
that
time
started
to
participate
in
every
single
poll
in
executive
burnt,
roughly
five
eth
already,
which
is
pretty
tiring
to
know
yeah.
At
some
point,
I
just
realized
that
there
is
a
guy
called
aaron
who
was
basically
the
guy
who
were
doing
signal
requests
in
the
forum
to
to
deal
with
parameters
on
the
on
the
maker
protocol
that
this
guy
basically
stopped
doing
his
work.
C
I
mean
it's
not
really
work
because
it's
not
paid
right
but
yeah.
I
I
sense.
Okay,
it's
yeah,
it's
it's,
the
the
the
classic
from
user
to
contributor
story.
I
basically
picked
up
this
work
and
it
was
bombarding
the
the
forum.
For
you
know
a
couple
of
months,
I
think,
with
signal
requests
dealing
with
debt
ceilings,
stability
fees,
not
not
stabilities
people,
because
we
already
had
the
rates
group
by
the
time,
but
basically
a
lot
of
parameters
that
need
to
be
said.
C
C
I
also
had
a
some
sometime
in
the
autonomous
maker,
dar
working
group
that
was
in
the
beginning
of
this
year
as
well,
which
was
basically
yeah
consisted
of
people
not
on
the
payroll
of
the
foundation
or
any
existing
core
unit,
but
interested
in
yeah,
basically
participating
in
growing
the
dao.
C
By
the
time.
I
collaborated
with
sap
a
bit
on
the
idea
of
creating
the
eurodai
thing,
so
a
dye
currency
pack
to
the
to
the
euro
and
even
try
to
to
push
for
core
units
for
dealing
with
that,
so
basically
bootstrapping,
which
which
failed,
I
think,
almost
a
month
ago,
yeah
so
being
a
delegate,
has
always
been
some
kind
of
thing.
I
wanted
to
do.
C
Basically,
two
years
ago
we
had
a,
we
had
a
guy
called
the
drunk
whale
in
in
rocket
shed,
who
I
I
was
poking
him
basically
every
week
to
hey,
can
you
please
support
this
executive?
We
are
waiting
for
two
weeks
already
and
by
the
time
I
was
already
started.
I
already
started
yeah,
basically
speaking
speaking
to
this
yeah.
C
To
this
way
in
the
end
unfortunately
left
he
saw
all
his
mpr
token,
so
there
that's
not
the
first
victim
I
would
have
for
for
dedication,
but
basically,
by
the
time
I
I
decided
yeah
that
that
would
be
a
path
and
I
basically
ditched
it
for
the
for
the
maker
labs
core
unit.
But
now,
as
it's
gone,
I
can
do
essentially
what
I
what
I
wanted
to
do
in
the
first
place.
C
Some
few
words
about
me
as
a
delegate,
I
think
delegation
is
a
great
thing
and
we
are
so
much
better
now
in
terms
of
being
able
to
actually
actually
do
executives
and
also
bundle
under
voting
power
in
the
end,
because
the
voter
empathy
is
still
striking
me,
I
don't
really
get
it
because
I
mean
yeah.
C
I
mean
from
my
point
of
view:
voting
is
not
not
optional,
you
if
you
buy
nkr
you,
you
need
to
participate
there
or
you
delegate,
but
now,
as
planet
x
is
out,
we
don't
have
any
delegate
who
is
outside
of
the
s,
which
is
sad
from
my
point
of
view
and
yeah
I
mean
I
I
also
my
background
is
a
bit
different,
I
think
from
compared
to
other
delegates,
so
I
don't
have
any
real
background
on.
C
I
don't
know
financial
stuff,
despite
working
in
the
in
the
makeup
market
comedy,
but
I
think
I
can
bring
some
yeah
non-us
aspects
into
into
the
voting
or
into
the
dedication
crew,
yeah
and
also
looking
on
stuff
more
from
a
technical
perspective,
maybe
helps
as
well
how
I'm
generating
my
opinions.
I
I
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
the
forum,
but
mostly
of
the
time
passively,
just
ingesting
what
I
see
there
and
I
I
see
a
lot
of
really
smart
people
there
and
yeah.
C
That's
it's
really
nice
just
reading
stuff.
I
think
we
already
have
the
situation
that
we
see
that
we
lack.
D
C
In
certain
areas
I
mean
the
the
decor
mip
that
we
that
we
did
not
pass
in
the
the
last
emit
cycle,
I
think,
is
a
is
a
good
example
where
we
need
experts
on
different
dimensions
as
well,
but
certainly
I
think
a
delegate
should
not
be
or
does
not
have
to
be
an
expert,
and
you
certainly
cannot
cover
all
the
aspects
relevant,
but
you
need
experts
that
you
can
consult
and
we
do
have
in
a
lot
of
in
a
lot
of
situations.
C
We
already
have
a
lot
of
cool
people,
also
smart
people
working
on
stuff.
Also,
I
think
delegation
should
not
contain
lobbying
or
some
kind
of
outside
representation.
C
I
mean
in
some
in
some
cases
you
probably
cannot
avoid
that,
but
I
would
rather
have
a
lobby's
lobbying
core
unit
for
for
dealing
with
certain
stuff
that
we
probably
need
to
do
yeah.
So
why
I'm
going
to
to
propose
myself
as
being
a
recognized
delegate,
because
I'm
doing
it
already
for
more
than
two
years?
So
I
don't
know-
probably
not
all
of
you
have
have
seen
yeah
my
my
post
on
the
forum
instead
of
having
a
nice
write-down
of
the
core
values
and
stuff
like
this.
C
C
But
the
added
effort
is
just
basically
writing
that
down
and
probably
be
more
open
to
communicate
with
people
who
might
have
questions
around
that
or
concerns
or
yeah.
I'm
not
not
happy
with
the
way,
I'm
thinking,
which
is
not
that
much
work.
I
think,
because
I'm
already
spending
quite
a
lot
of
time
with
the
protocol,
but
that
also
means
that
I'm
going
to
vote
anyway.
C
So
this
is
not
not
really
a
warning,
but
I
I
certainly
will
not
change
my
voting
behavior
just
because
somebody
is
delegating
a
lot
of
aim
cards
with
me.
I'm
not
doing
that
for
some
kind
of
money
that
might
eventually
pop
up
for
recognized
delegates.
C
I
also
don't
feel
right
now
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
full-time
job,
because
I
already
have
a
full-time
job,
but
if
it
turns
out
that
it
evolves
into
this
direction,
that's
fine
as
well
yeah,
but
but
so
far
I'm
I'm
happy.
If
this
is
not
working
out,
if
nobody's
delegating
to
me,
I
don't
care
it's
not.
It
won't
feel
like
fail
for
me
yeah.
I
think
that's
pretty
much
everything
I
could
share
right
now.
So
that's
even
more
than
10
minutes,
I
would
say
right.
A
Right
on
about
on
the
money,
so
thank
you
appreciate
that
platform
presentation
so,
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
this
will
kind
of
move
us
to
the
q
a
section.
So
anyone
who's
attending
is
welcome
to
ask
things.
I've
got
a
list
of
kind
of,
like
general
questions,
we've
prepared
to
ask
the
delegates,
so
we
shouldn't
have
any
silence
but
definitely
want
to
hear
from
the
people
that
that
are
attending
here.
A
If
possible.
I
haven't
seen
anything
pop
up
in
the
sidebar.
So
if
I
don't
see
anyone
on
mute
in
a
moment,
I
will
fire
off
a
first
question,
but
remember
yours
is
probably
a
better
question
than
mine.
So.
A
No
no
surprises,
sorry
about
that.
We
had
it
a
little
more
organized
on
the
racket
chat,
but
I
realized
we
don't
have
the
delegates
extension
anymore
on.
Oh
that
discord,
but
I
guess
one
of
the
questions
and
you
kind
of
alluded
it
to
it
right
right.
At
the
end,
there
is
this
question
of
delegate
compensation.
I
was
wondering
if
you
had
feelings
about
like
how
delegates
should
be
compensated
or,
like
you
know,
if
that
affects
how
you'll
be
acting
as
a
delegate
going
forward.
C
Well,
I
think
the
my
main
point
about
delegate
compensation
is
that
we
we
should
totally
avoid
this.
Looking
like
the
kleptocracy.
So
before
this
should
go
unchained.
We
should
have
a
lot
of
discussion
and
probably
even
people
from
the
outside
saying
how
this
is
dealt
in
comparable
situations.
C
But
it
would
look
totally
strange
for
me
if
we
would
push
something
unchained
as
a
poll
where
already
delegates
could
basically
vote
on
their
own
salary.
But
I
I
understand
that,
from
from
from
a
different
angle,
we
we
do
need
some
compensation
for
people
who
spend
a
lot
of
time
there.
C
So
I
think
it's
it's
it's
quite
hard
to
come
up
with
a
with
a
good
plan,
but
the
plan
needs
to
be
yeah
well
prepared
before
it
goes
on
shane,
and
I
think
there
should
be
some
kind
of
I
don't
know
I
would.
I
would
probably
just
abstain
from
the
poor,
because
it
feels
weird
to
decide
on
my
own
salary
in
the
end
yeah
but
yeah.
C
I
think
we
need
some
to
attract
people,
experts,
for
example,
and
we
need
them,
but
maybe
we
just
need
experts
in
co
units
that
basically
act
as
working
groups
proposing
or
evaluating-
I
don't
know
yeah
the
risk
of
I
don't
know
a
certain
mip
that
is,
that
is
yeah
in.
C
Right
now
and
same
goes
for
a
collateral
on
boarding.
I
just
looked
at
the
two
collaterals
that
are
on
the
poles
right
now
and
yeah.
I
just
have
feelings,
and
this
is
not
not
good,
not
working.
C
A
I
could
ask
like
a
more
broader
one
if
you're
up
for
it,
like
I
like
the
reflection
in
your
delegate
platform
of
kind
of
growth
over
profits,
I
was
wondering
if
you
wanted
to
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
and
maybe
mix
in
kind
of
just
your
your
greater
like
vision
for
maker.
Now,
like
you
know
what
what
is
maker
supposed
to
do
and
and
how
does
that
vision
of
growth
over
profits
fit
into
that.
C
C
So
I
am
I'm
right
now
before
the
meeting.
I
was
working
on
a
new
signal
request
for
increasing
the
the
surplus
buffer
again
and
I
basically
realized
that
it
doesn't
matter
if
we
burn
mkr
or
if
we
just
accumulate
a
surplus
in
the
surplus
buffer,
just
from
a
value
perspective
for
empower
holders,
but
still
there
is
this
thing.
That
burning
is
important
and
I
kind.
C
But
yeah
I
would
rather
pile
up
cash
that
we
can
spend
on
new
core
units
or
on
some
crazy
ideas
or
even
experiments.
Yeah
then
going
into
the
harvesting
modes
too
early.
That's
basically
the
the
reasoning
behind
that.
A
Definitely
encourage
others
to
ask
questions,
so
I'm
gonna
take
a
little
beat
here.
If
you're
trying
to
challenge
me,
I
can
do
it.
I
can
go
for
the
30
minutes,
so
no
need
to
test
me.
C
I
I
rather
have
some
more
challenging
questions
than
having
awkward
silence
to
be
honest,
but
I
can
do
awkward
silence
to
go
if
you
want
to
so.
B
Yeah,
I
was
gonna,
ask
tim:
do
you
do
you
anticipate
like
not
wanting
to
be
delegated
more
than
an
x
amount
of
mkr?
For
example,
like
I
know
some
people,
for
you
know,
don't
want
more
than
10
or
20
camcara.
It's
like
a
really
big
big
responsibility.
B
Do
you
think
that
you
have
a
certain
number
that
you
ideally
would
like
delegated
to
you
as
a
recognized
delegate.
C
I
mean
it's,
it's
getting
scary
at
some
point
and
at
some
point
you
need
to
think
about
how
do
you
protect
against
bribes
or
against
people
kidnapping
your
kids
to
get
something
done,
but
yeah?
I'm
not.
I'm.
I'm
not
expecting
this
to
happen
anyway.
To
be
honest,
but
yeah
probably
it
would
probably
be
a
good
idea
to
think
about
this
before
going
into
panic
mode
once
this
happens,
but
yeah
I'm
currently
not
expecting
this.
I
didn't
it's
probably
not
even
doable
right.
C
C
C
Yeah
I'm
going
to
think
about
this,
but
I
don't
have
a
clearance
on
that.
E
E
You
know,
have
you
looked
at
what
it
costs
to
actually
vote
on
polls
than
to
pass
an
executive?
Just
you
know
in
terms
of
fees,
you
know
this
isn't
getting
cheaper
and
why
should
everybody
who's
not
doing
anything,
get
a
free
ride,
while
they're
people
who
are
doing
a
lot
of
work,
get
nothing
like
yeah.
D
E
Yeah,
I've
worked
in
a
lot
of
co-ops
right,
okay
and
I've.
Also
I've
donated
my
time
in
co-ops
and
intentional
communities
and
a
theme
in
all
of
these
communities
is
a
lot
of
people
or,
I
should
say,
a
fair
number
of
people
doing
a
health
doing
90
of
the
work,
while
the
other
70
do
nothing
and
I
think
that's
unfair
right,
and
so
I
think
I
think
compensation
based
on
action
is
reasonable
right
and
so
that's
my
view.
E
I
don't
want
to
make
this
about
my
platform,
but
I
really
want
to
encourage
you
to
think
about
that
and
if
you
want
some
hard
questions
and
I'm
going
to
have
to
leave
and
I'll
probably
have
to
listen
to
this
later,
here's
a
couple-
the
psm
tnt
out
going
to
xero.
I
want
to
hear
what
your
views
are
on
that
sub,
like
what's
going
on
with
feb
and
how
that
was
approached
right.
E
I
mean
we
didn't
even
have
a
poll
on
this
and
there
was
an
mip
thrown
up
right,
that
we
didn't
even
get
a
chance
to
discuss
it
before
an
mip
was
thrown
out.
I
think
that
was
kind
of
you
know
very
fast,
very
hard.
You
know
what
else
do
I
have
on
my
plate
to
talk
about
the
idea
that
I
mean
I've
been
hearing
stuff
from
different
delegates
of
you
know
the
people
delegating
their
maker
kind
of
levering
in
on
them.
You
know
in
the
sense
that
you
know
as
delegates.
E
We
really
want
to
vote
the
way
we
see
fit
for
the
protocol
right,
but
if
we
don't
have
a
material
stake,
you
know.
Maybe
it's
the
case
that
these
people,
who
have
the
maker
have
a
right
view,
and
maybe
I
should
go
along
with
them
right.
But
if
I'm
gonna
do
that,
why
don't
they
just
vote
their
anchor
themselves
right,
and
so
I
have
a
real
hard
issue.
E
It's
kind
of
a
you
know,
one
maker,
one
vote
system
right
and
if
you
have
50
000
maker,
you
got
50
000
votes
and
that's
kind
of
that's,
not
democracy.
That's
something
else
right,
and
so
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
issues
here
to
work
out.
I
think
we
can.
I
think
we
can
work
these
out,
but
I
just
think
that
it
creates
a
lot
of
hazards
and
so
I'll-
probably
listen
to
this
later,
because
it's
really
noisy
and
I
have
very
low
phone
battery
left.
C
Yeah
cool,
that's
great,
so
I
hope
I
get
all
the
topics
sorted.
Let's
start
with
compensation
yeah.
Of
course
there
needs
to
be
some
compensation,
but
right
now
my
incentive
for
doing
this
is
because
I'm
totally
over
invested
in
mkr,
it's
totally
unreasonable
how
much
I
have
acquired
compared
to
my
net
worth
it's
probably
not
comparable
to
other
people,
but
compared
to
well.
What
I
think
is
reasonable,
or
my
wife
would
think-
is
reasonable.
C
It's
its
way
of
being
good,
so
my
main
incentive
is,
I
want
to
participate
here
to
make
the
protocol
better
to
have
this
as
an
yeah
is
a
good
running
investment
and
so
far
the
gas
fees
that
I
have
to
pay
for.
C
Yeah
yeah
for
for
participating
in
governance
are
basically
covered
by
the
source
credit
payouts
I
get
right
now
I
mean
this
is
not
a
not
a
good
way
of
thinking
like
money.
I
get
per
hour,
of
course,
but
yeah
this
is
like
for
me.
It
feels
like
participating
in
an
open
source
project,
but
with
skin
in
the
game.
So
right
now,
that's
okay
for
me.
If
I
would
need
to
quit
my
job
for
doing
that,
oh
no!
This
is
not
good
enough
for
sure
it's
not
so
quickly.
C
The
psm
thing
I
voted
in
favor
of
the
psm
thing.
I'm
actually
not
100
sure
if
that's
the
right
decision,
but
I
think
if
it
helps
the
growth
teams
to
really
underline
that
we
do
have
a
hard
pack
essentially
to
the
usdc
or
to
usd.
C
I
think
it's
worth
the
effort
of
trying
that
if
we
find
out
it's
not
working
and
we
I
don't
know
yeah,
I
I'm
not
not
trying
to
to
come
up
with
a
doomsday
scenario,
but
if
we
find
out
it's
not
working,
then
we
can
definitely
sketch
out
a
plan
of
how
to
get
how
to
get
rid
of
that
again
as
well.
So
what's
next
sep
yeah,
so
I
mean
in
I
think
it's
in
the
in
the
platform
statement.
C
I
already
said
something
about
I'm
trusting
more
than
people
that
I
trust
in
kpis
and
it's
probably
bad.
I
well
probably
a
lot
of
people
already
know
that
that
I
already
worked
this
app
quite
frequently
in
the
in
the
makeover
market
committee.
Also
on
euro
die,
so
I
totally
trust
zapp
it's.
So
there
is
there's
this
drama
aspect.
C
C
Could
this
have
been
handled
better
for
sure
right
now,
I
would
not
vote
in
favor
for
the
off-boarding
proposal,
because
I
don't
think
there
is
a
major
flaw
in
in
the
system
we
have
right
now
or
what
sep
has
been
working
on,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
training
for
us
as
a
dao
to
go
through
that,
the
the
only
downside
we
have
right
now
that
it's
hurting
exactly
one
person,
which
is
that
that's
that's
a
pity,
a
really
really
bad
situation,
but
it
would
have
happened
a
couple
of
months
later
anyway.
C
I
have
seen
this
coming.
To
be
honest,
we
have
some
friction
on
the
rear
world
finance
area.
For
I
don't
know
since
summer
I
would
say,
maybe
even
earlier
so
this
is
not
really
new.
I
mean
sebastian
was
already
saying
something
like
if
you,
if
you
want
to
remove
me,
please
yeah.
Please
just
propose
this
subproposal.
C
I
don't
know
two
months
ago
in
a
governing
risk
meeting.
So
it's
it's
not
surprising
but
disappointing.
Yes,
it
is
for
sure,
but
I
mean
it's
it's
not
going
to
happen
before
january.
So
I
guess
there
will
be
some
kind
of
discussion
prior
to
that
and
maybe
some
more
facts-
and
I
don't
know
it's
good-
that
we
don't
need
to
vote
on
that
today.
I
would
say:
yeah
private
entanglement,
yeah
again,
I'm
not
an
expert
on
that.
I
have.
A
C
This
is
this
qualifies
his
private
entanglement
on
that.
Not
I
can
just
say
I
I
right
now.
I
still
have
trust
in
celestia.
It
hasn't
changed
because
of
this
off-boarding
proposal
yeah
and
if
I
would
need
to
vote
today,
I
would
not
support
the
off-boarding
proposal.
C
Yeah,
well
I
mean
we
are
already
in
a
fatal
situation
there.
So
the
only
downside
from
my
point
of
view
of
of
going
to
zero
on
tin
is
that
we
are
missing
out
on
fees,
but
if
usdc
is
losing
the
pack,
then
we
will
yeah
yeah.
We
will
just
get
a
lot
of
use
to
see
onto
our
on
our
balance
sheets.
That's.
C
Point
or
if
we
have
10
bibs
or
zero
bits
that
doesn't
really
make
a
difference
from
my
point
of
view,
I'm
actually
not
expecting
a
lot
of
change
there,
because
right
now
we
see
a
lot
of
offboarding
from
the
psms
and
not
onboarding.
A
Now
we've
got
delegates,
you
know
another
another
player
of
power
in
the
system.
I'm
curious.
If
you
have
thoughts
in
the
system
on
how
our
process
can
be
improved
or
if
yeah
I.
C
Mean
of
course
I
I
I
I
made
my
own
experiences
with
a
euro
die
slash
maker
labs
thing,
so
I'm
a
bit
biased,
so
I'm
yeah
I'm
not
really
willing
to
share
a
lot
on
details
on
that.
I
I
have
to
admit,
I'm
still
digesting
that,
but
I
think
I
mean
we.
We
do
have
some
some
mechanisms.
That
are
great.
I
think
so.
I
think
it's
great
that
we
have
some
some
tool
for
incubating
teams,
which
is
essentially
part
of
the
function
of
ses.
C
But
when,
when
you
look
at
at
my
mip
39
thing
for
maker
labs,
there
were
a
couple
of
things
in
the
comment
section
that
really
made
me
think
are
we?
Are
we
really
doing
this
right?
So
I
mean
is
this?
Is
ses
the
only
way
of
doing
incubation?
Probably
it
is
right
now,
but
is
that
correct?
Is
that
a
proper
approach?
Maybe
it
is
for
now,
but
is
it
on
the
long
run
there
was
stuff
like
maybe
make
a
lap
should
be
done
within
the
growth
coordinate,
where
I
think
really
shouldn't.
C
We
have
the
goal
of
having
multiple
growth
core
units
in
the
end
and
is
something
like
prototyping
stuff
part
of
of
that
it's
yeah.
Sorry,
it's
not
really
not
really
related
to
me
as
being
a
delegate.
It
certainly
was
an
interesting
right
to
yeah
learn
about
aspects
on
how
we
deal
with
this
I
mean
so
far.
We
have
been
pretty
good
on
onboarding
new
core
units
I
mean
there's,
I
I
wouldn't
have
expected
so
many
by
the
time
the
foundation
decided
to
shut
down.
C
So
in
the
beginning
of
the
year
when
we
had
this,
this
call
in
the
autonomous
maker
dao
working
group
where
amy
was
was
telling
us
that
the
foundation
wants
to
shut
down,
and
I
don't
know
a
couple
of
months
I
was
oh
dear.
So,
what's
going
to
happen,
basically
all
the
teams
from
the
foundation
are
going
to
transition
over,
which
is
essentially
happening.
So,
let's,
let's
deal
with
it.
That's
that's
the
way
it
goes.
C
Okay,
I
mean
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
talent
and
people
that
already
know
how
the
system
is
working.
That's
great,
I'm
actually
not
sure
if
we
are
good
enough
for
onboarding
external
talent
as
well,
but
yeah.
I
don't
have
data
to
be
honest,
but
this
is
this
is
stuff,
I'm
thinking
about
for
sure.
A
Really
good
reflections
now,
thanks
mark,
do
you
want
to
get
to
you?
We
are
coming
up
on
the
end
of
time
here.
So
let's
have
mark
estas
question
and
then
we
might
be
wrapping
up
after
that.
D
D
You
know
in
the
us
you're
not
will
employ,
but
generally
like
as
a
business
matures
and
the
leadership
gets
becomes
more
experienced.
There
are
formal
plans
that,
like
lead
to
someone
being
fired,
you
don't
just
fire
someone
like
out
of
the
blue
with
no
notice.
It's
just
not
a
good
way
to
run
a
business.
D
It's
not
a
good
way
to
build
the
company
culture
like
you,
want
to
give
someone
a
chance
if
they're
not
doing
something
right
or
not,
performing
up
to
the
standards
to
you
know,
make
amends
and
get
to
those
standards.
Businesses
call
them
performance
improvement
plans
like
I
don't
see
why
we
couldn't
as
a
dow,
implement
something
similar
and
avoid
drama.
It's,
I
think,
unproductive
and
distracting
from
the
overall
mission
of
the
doubt,
but
I
want
to
get
your
thoughts
on
that.
C
Yeah,
I
totally
agree
on
that.
But
again
this
is
the
humankind.
Has
no
history
of
running
daos,
so
we
are
pioneers
here
and,
of
course,
stuff
like
this
is,
is
supposed
to
happen.
So,
yes,
we
should
be
more
professional
on
that
yeah.
I'm
actually
not
sure
how
this
will
evolve
in
the
in
the
concrete
case
of
sebastian.
C
Definitely,
but
on
the
long
run
as
well,
but
I
I
guess
we
are.
This
is
also
a
great
opportunity
to
learn
from
that.
How
we
could,
how
could
how
we
could
do
that
better?
So,
yes,
I
think
we
we
should.
We
should
have
something
something
in
place
there,
but
but
to
be
honest,
we
also
don't
have
anything
that
really
finds
out
of
core
units
are
adding
value
to
the
same
amount
that
they
get
funding.
C
So
this
is
also
something
where
we
totally
lack.
So
we
we
know
how
much
money
we
put
into
each
core
unit,
but
do
we
know
how
this
is
spent
or
well?
C
Some
core
units
are
transparent
on
that
some
are
not
it's
not
a
primary
problem
for
now,
because
we
are
yeah
in
the
lucky
situation
of
of
needing
to
spend
a
lot
of
money
anyway,
or
we
should
do
that,
but
is
it
a
efficient
way
on
the
long
run
for
sure
it's
not,
and
we
better
prepare
for
that
before
it's
a
big
mess.
C
So
that's
my
that's
my
take
on
it
and
I
think
the
the
same
applies
for
yeah
having
some
kind
of
plan
for
people
that
are
probably
not
delivering
the
same
way
as
they
expect
us
and
we
are
we're
totally
bad
there.
That's
that's
true,
but
yeah.
We
should
be.
D
Yeah
thanks,
I
think
that
that
makes
sense,
and
I
think
you
see
some
of
that
feedback
in
some
of
the
core
unit
budget
proposals
for
people
that
are
renewing
their
budgets.
You
saw
that
like
content
productions
thread,
for
example,
where
I
think
there's
mismatch
with
expectations
between
some
delegates
and
holders.
D
So,
like
that's
one
major
issue
I
see
is
you
know,
sometimes
there's
a
gap
in
what
the
dow
or
delegates
expect
relative
to
what
the
core
units
are
doing,
and
sometimes
it
doesn't
even
show
up
in
the
core
unit
threads
themselves.
Until
you
know
this
budget
comes
up
for
vote
and
then
you
know
quickly,
people
could
find
themselves
without
funding
without
being
a
job.
D
I
mean
you
could
say
that
the
onus
is
strictly
on
the
core
unit
facilitator
to
maintain
the
delegates
relationship,
but
I
feel,
like
you
know,
that's
definitely
an
area
that
needs
to
be
improved.
C
I
think
it
it.
It
should
be
taking
off
the
responsibility
for
co
unit
facilities,
because
this
needs
to
be
standardized
among
all
the
core
units.
Anyway,
from
my
point
of
view,
so
it's
it's
not
that
you
get
a
card
blanche
for
whatever
you
want
to
do
with
the
money
you
get.
There
should
be
some
kind
of
metric
or
some
kind
of
standardized
system
on
how
you
deal
with
that
when
it
comes
to
yeah.
C
I
don't
know,
however,
you
call
it
okrs
whatever
there
are
so
many
tools
that
put
in
there,
but
they
need
need
to
be
something
for
sure.
C
A
Right
on
always
exciting
to
see
working
collaboration
take
place
in
the
calls,
as
well
really
appreciate
you
doing
this.
For
us
tim,
take
a
look
for
tim's
delegate
platform
on
on
the
voting
contract,
we'll
be
merging
his
github
pull
request
that
contains
his
platform
and
all
that
other
fun
stuff.
So
you
will
be
able
to
delegate
him,
probably
if
you're
watching
this
back
it'll
all
be
live
and
for
those
who's
here
with
us.
Now
just
wait
a
little
bit
thanks
everyone
for
coming.
A
I
do
encourage
us
to
continue
the
conversations
in
the
forums,
take
a
look
at
tim's
delgad
platform
and
engage
there
further.
C
Yeah
and
please
reach
out
wherever
you
want
to
forum
discord,
even
this
funky
email
address.
I
have
so
I'm
really
really
happy
if
we
can
have
some
follow-up
conversations
here,
even
if
you're
not
interested
in
delegating
to
me,
it's
always
always
nice
to
talk
to
people
with
different
opinions.
A
And
one
more
time,
if
we
want
to
give
your
handles,
I
guess
if
for
people
to
contact,
you.
C
I
think
it's
it's
all
in
the
in
the
platform
post.
I
think
I
think
you
posted
this
somewhere
here,
I'm
going
to
read
yes,.