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For this episode we will have two delegate candidates presenting their platforms and holding an Q&A session.
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A
A
So
I'll
just
go
over
the
sort
of
brief
ground
rules
for
these
meetings,
how
they're
structured
so
the
general
format
is
we
give
each
delegates.
So
we
start
with
one
delegate
and
have
them
sort
of
briefly
summarize
their
platform
for
the
group
here
and
then
we
open
it
up
for
a
q
a
it
tends
to
take
a
half.
A
We'll
switch
over
to
flip
side
and
get
them
to
do
the
same
yeah.
So
just
remember
this
meeting's
being
recorded
so
yeah
try
not
to
talk
over
each
other
or
anything,
we'll
call
for
questions
if
there's
a
sort
of
lull
feel
free
to
chime
in
or
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand
if
you're
more
comfortable
with
that.
A
C
C
Funny
thing
is
that
actually,
before
maker,
I
was
in
a
different
project
trying
to
create
a
different,
stable
coin
back
then
didn't
really
have
a
term
for
stable
coin,
so
they
just
wanted
something.
That
was
a
coin.
That's
pegged
to
you,
know
stable
value,
and
then
they
wanted
me
to
review
maker.
So
that's
how
I
got
to
learn
about
maker,
and
then
I
realized
that
back
then
there
was
not
much
material
on
maker.
C
Now
I
was
pretty
confident
that
I
might
be
able
to
beat
maker,
mainly
because
I
was
very
confident
in
my
ability.
I
was
like.
No,
you
know,
at
least
our
team
has
me.
Maybe
it's
going
to
be
better,
but
we
saw
that
I
was
able
to
be
more
successful,
but
at
the
same
time
we
saw
that
because
there
are
not
materials
in
especially
korean
or
chinese.
C
C
So
this
is
same
for
korea
same
for
china
as
well.
So
we
had,
for
example,
community
leads.
They
were
leading
some
of
those
communities
and
then
ever
since
the
foundation
dissolve,
we
don't
have
them
anymore,
as
well
as
their
different
legatory
and
then
some
of
the
social
changes
that
are
happening
in
asia.
C
So,
for
example,
I
also
kept
in
contact
with
our
chinese
side,
and
then
we
don't
have
a
chinese
in
the
community
chat
for
wechat
anymore,
partly
because
chinese
government
has
been
cracking
down
on
it.
So
even
those
people
who
want
to
listen
to
level
maker
there's
not
only
good
ways
for
them
to
learn,
and
then
this
is
also
true
for
makeup
holders
as
well.
I
think
that
one
of
the
truths
is
that
we
don't
know
about
it,
partly
because
there's
not
a
good
way
for
them
to
voice
their
opinion
right.
C
It's
partly
that
many
of
them
don't
really
speak
english
and
they
don't
really
have
access
to
it,
and
I
felt
that
we
need
a
delegate
that
can
represent
their
interests
and
also
can
communicate
with
them.
So,
as
I
can
talk
in
korean
as
well
as
some
chinese
as
well,
I
felt
that
he
was
just
kind
of
needed
to
have
a
delegate
can
kind
of
meet
their
needs
and
also
communicate
with
them.
C
C
So
for
me,
the
focus
has
been
trying
to
connect
between
the
west
and
east,
especially
in
terms
of
information
in
terms
of
their
interests
in
terms
of
their
feedback
and
another
one
is
the
diversity
of
different
ideas
as
well
as
different
communities.
So,
and
then
the
third
part
is,
you
know,
being
pragmatic.
C
So
in
terms
of
that,
I
also
wrote
down
some
of
the
delegate.
The
next
steps,
they're
kind
of
related
core
values,
so
those
will
be
some
of
the
initiatives
whether
that
be
proposed
by
me
or
whether
it's
by
others
that
I'll
probably
support
you
know
very
strongly,
which
is
trying
to
have
a
larger
presence
and
also
in
a
different
content
in
the
across
different
countries,
especially
for
coastal
asia,
because
right
now
a
lot
of
contents
and
other
communities
are
focusing
on
a
lot
of
english
speakers
which
is
which
so
far
work.
C
C
A
lot
of
people
just
pay
with
their
or
you
know
their
phone
or
like
we
chat,
or
this
kind
of
thing
right.
So
it's
very
kind
easy
for
people
here
to
access
their
crypto
and
dia
through
mobile
and
very
easy
ways
or,
for
example,
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
competitors
like
tara,
a
lot
of
their
payment
happens
behind
it,
and
then
people
don't
even
know
that
it's
blockchain.
C
So
I
felt
that
for
things
like
this,
you
know
important
and
then
so,
if
there's
an
issue
that
can
help
with
it,
I
will
also
strongly
support
it
now
going
towards
the
comfort
interest,
because
I'm
a
contributor
to
maker
growth.
Obviously
I
have
a
conflict
interest
there,
but
I
can
say
that
I
already
voted
against
some
of
the
initiatives
that
they
proposed
or
they
collaborate
on.
So
I'm
not
going
to
shy
away
from
voting
against
or
voting
for,
because
I
believe
that
you
know
if
there's
initiatives.
C
That's,
for
example,
go
against
some
of
the
core
value.
I
think
it's
fair
that
I
vote
against
it
so
and
then,
since
co-founders
stable
note,
because
the
company
invests
in
different
projects,
they
also
means
that
some
of
the
partners
or
some
of
the
portfolio
companies
might
have
some
of
the
comfort
interest.
So
some
of
them
would
be
like
insta
dia
super
fluid
as
well
as
monotolus.
I
understand
right
now
is
also
in
discussion
right
as
well
as
a
clayton
and
polygon.
C
So
there
will
be
many
and
then
before
voting,
if
it's
something
that's
applicable,
I
will
note
in
my
conflict
interest
section
and
then
in
terms
of
some
of
the
personal
holdings.
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
too
much.
I
wish
I
had
more,
but
I
don't
so.
I
have
mostly
ease
maker
and
then
some
of
the
stable
coins,
and
then
I
also
invest
in
some
of
the
private
sale
for
ap
wine,
and
you
know
blackpool
and
also
solace,
and
then
I
indirectly
hold
some
of
the
update
exchange
equity.
C
A
D
I
know
right
now
as
far
as
the
community's
focused
well
as
far
as
the
community's
ability
to
reach
that
that
far
out
in
the
world,
that's
from
my
point
of
view
out
here
in
the
us,
but
it's
only
you
and
jocelyn
of
growth
core
unit
and
maybe
a
few
other
folks
like
will
of
rwf
core
unit,
so
yeah
just
wondering
what
you're
thinking
is
and
how
you
can
help
make
her
doubt
as
a
whole.
Get
more
exposure
to
that
part
of
the
world.
C
Yes,
so
I
think
that
it
can
involve
two
many
way
ways
right,
so
one
of
them
is
looking
more
for
mk
holders
as
well,
and
this
is
something
that
I
think
that
even
back
at
the
maker
foundation
didn't
really
really
look
at.
Is
that,
like
so
the
community
and
the
government
has
looked
at
a
lot
of,
for
example,
maker
holders
in
let's
say
us
or
europe
a
lot
of
times,
but
then
for
a
lot
of
let's
say
it's
either
funds
or
others
that
would
make
her.
C
C
So
that's
so
there
are
several
funds
based
in
asia,
the
hope
maker
or
the
investment
maker,
and
they
hold
it
as
well,
but
they
haven't
been
really
put
into
use
or
been
so
so
actually
there
are
so.
To
give
a
example,
there
was
one
fund
they're
based
in
korea
and
the
whole
maker
and
they've
been
interesting
in
american
governance
and
then
have
you
know,
participate
a
few
times,
but
then
they
never
really.
C
You
know
delegate
to
in
a
vote
because
at
the
same
time
they
also
felt
that
oh,
they
were
not.
They
were
not
even
sure
whether
they
could
share
their
opinion
right.
You
know
because
they
felt
like
okay.
There
are
a
lot
of
big
funds
based
in
the
west.
You
know
they
might
delegates,
might
you
know,
share
their
opinion,
but
you
know
they
kind
of
felt
that
the
kind
of
connection
was
not
there,
but
you
know.
That's
not
true.
C
Right,
like
biggest
thing
is
that
for
us
we're
interested
in
feedback,
whether
it's
from
the
west
or
east.
So
I
think
that
that's
one
area
that
I'm
going
to
focus
on,
which
is
trying
to
target
some
of
the
maker
holders
in
asia
to
basically
participate
come
to
forum
if
needed.
I
also
got
some
feedback
that
right
now
this
course
doesn't
have
a
chinese
section,
a
korean
section
like
if
that's
needed,
that's
something
that
we
can
probably
create
as
well.
C
C
Okay,
but
then
right
now,
it
is
from
you
know,
fallen
to
give
you
like
how
extreme
it
happened
is
like
for,
for
example,
wechat
which
had
thousands
of
users
like
now
the
committee
is
gone,
but
that's
actually
for
safety
as
well,
because
chinese
government
has
begun
cracking
down
on
a
lot
of
it.
So
it
kind
of
means
that
we
need
a
smaller
way
to
basically
have
a
community
where
people
can
access
information,
but
also
do
not
put
their
selves
in
in
such
danger.
C
So
for
those,
whether
it's
a
marketing
like
whether
it's
a
new
marketing
team,
whether
it's
to
grow
to
others,
I
will
have
to
kind
of
think
about
ways
that
how
we
can
create
a
new
strategy
for
asia.
For
korea
as
well,
we've
been
seeing
a
lot
of
users
kind
of
falling
and
then
for
those.
I
think
it
will
be
a
combination
of
the
translation
and
also
active
communication
right
because
by
having
somebody
that,
can
you
know,
for
example,
they
can
come
out
and
then
whether
it's
asking
questions
or
keep
them
updated.
C
I
think
it's
very
important
and
then,
since
right
now
we
don't
really
have
a
like
a
specific
core
unit
that
kind
of
focus
on
it.
Especially
I
mean
we
have
a
coordinate
that
focuses
on
different
contents,
obviously,
but
not
necessarily
like
translating
into
korean
or
chinese
or
other
asian
languages.
C
So
if
there's
initiative
or
if
there's
a
coordinate
already,
that
wants
to
do
that,
I
think
that's
something
that
I'll
be
happy
to
discuss
together
and
then,
if
they
will
have
initiative
in
the
plan,
I'll
be
happy
to
vote
as
long
as
it's
reasonable,
which
kind
of
goes
back
to
circle
value
which
is
like.
I
want
to
be
pragmatic.
So
even
if
it's
a
good
for
the
community,
if
it's
like
too
expensive,
it
doesn't
make
sense
like
I
believe
that
they're
probably
you
know
better
ways
to
do
it.
D
D
C
Yeah,
so
I
think
that
yes,
so
that
also
relates
to
some
of
the
in
the
points
I
mentioned
earlier,
which
is
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
is
used
in
everywhere
and
especially
for
people
to
access
it
easily
more
easily.
You
know
so,
for
example,
we
saw
that
there
have
been
increasing
usage
on
on
solana,
whether
it's
a
df
or
you
know
what
is
via
some
of
the
exchanges
that
support
it.
C
For
example,
as
you
know,
ftx
has
been
growing
its
power
and
then
a
lot
of
people
use
actually
ftx
itself
as
a
bridge.
Some
of
the
numbers
that
I
saw
was
that
actually
not
many
people
use
the
wormhole
that
you
know
uses,
I
think
around,
like
70
actually
used
to
ftx
exchange,
which
is
like
very
big
so
by
so.
C
B
Yeah,
so
do
obviously
I
I'm
one
of
your
great
supporters
a
little
biased,
because
I've
worked
with
you
on
the
growth
team
for
a
while,
and
I
know
how
knowledgeable
you
are,
and
you
know
impactful
you
are
to
the
growth
team,
but
just
actually
hearing
you
talk
about
the
you
know
being
this
bridge
to
asia.
It
did
lead
me
to
a
question
that
is,
you
know.
I
would
love
to
hear
your
thoughts,
but
actually
kind
of
broadly
is.
B
Do
you
think
protocols,
decentralized
protocols
with
governance
systems
in
place,
like
maker,
should
intentionally
look
towards
having
delegates
that
represent
geographical
regions
because
it
is
so
important
to
have
you
know
those
local
voices
who
understand
the
cultures
understands
the
regulatory
challenges
more
intimately
being
you
know
that
kind
of
representative
to
to
voters
in
those
places
so,
for
example,
not
just
asia,
but
like
would
you
say
it's?
It
would
be
optimal
to
have
delegates
in
each
continent
again.
B
C
Yeah,
so
I'm
glad
that
you
brought
that
up
and
I
think
that
it
will
happen.
You
know
organically
right,
because
I
don't
think
that,
for
you
know,
maker,
the
committee
or
or
the
governance
is
thinking
like
okay,
we
should
have
somebody,
let's
say
latin
america.
We
should
have
somebody
in
asia.
We
should
have
somebody
like
represent
the
africa
or
others
where
it's,
I
think,
the
more
of
the
major
governments.
C
Anybody
can
anybody
can
come,
and
you
know
like,
for
example,
there
can
be
another
person
from
asia
or
let's
say
there
can
be
somebody
else.
That's
focused
more
specifically
on
china
right
because
for
me
I
you
know,
I
know
much
about,
for
example,
china
and
korea,
but
maybe,
if
there's
somebody
that
focus
you
know
soldier
and
china,
I
think
that's
fine,
because
I
think
similar
to
any
other
in
the
governors
or
community
there
might
be
people
who
have
different
opinions
as
well.
As
you
know,
different
interests
they
can
reflect.
C
C
If
you
look
at
some
of
the
you
know
whether
it's
some
of
the
government
or
or
others
is
that,
if
there's
a
voice
that
people
don't
know
about,
it's
not
necessary
because
there's
no
voice,
it's
just
that!
There's
nobody
to
hear
them
right.
So
I
think
that
we're
gonna
see
that
you
know
happening
in
the
future
as
well.
So
it
can
be
something.
C
That's
not,
you
know
just
based
on
geography,
maybe
it's
a
certain
industry
or
there
might
be
some
people
for,
for
example,
who
might
be
representing
more
of
the
you
know,
legacy
finance,
which
I
think
that
something
that
we
saw
with
some
of
the
delegates
as
well.
So
I
would
say
that
not
just
geography
or
so
many
different
interests
out
there,
so
we're
gonna
see
more
of
it.
E
Yeah,
I
guess
I
was
kind
of
curious
about
the
kind
of
scaling
die
aspect
of
things,
like
obviously
a
lot
of
the
stuff
you
pointed
out.
I
think
it's
really
strong
for
helping
scaling
the
dial
itself,
but
I
was
curious
if
you
wanted
to
elaborate
a
little
bit
on
on
what
your
thoughts
are
for,
like
the
best
way
to
grow
diet,
supply
essentially.
C
Yeah
I'll
say
that
there
are
obviously
many
different
ways
that
die
supply
has
been
increased
and
then
you
know
this
is.
I
think
that
also
the
part
that
in
the
beckett
foundation,
some
people
thought
that
I
was
kind
of
heretic,
which
is
that
you
know
for
me,
was
that
I
maintain
each
pack
and
also
expanding
itself
is
more
important
than
trying
to
basically
have
only
ease
as
a
collateral,
and
you
can
imagine
that
there
are
some
interesting
fights,
whether
it's
a
philosophical
debate
or
others.
C
I
think
that
we
can
use
that
for
other
d5
protocols
as
well
right
so
technically
that
by
itself
is
not
really
backed
per
se
as
like
traditional
one,
but
it's
also
a
good
way
for
us
to
provide
liquidity
and
then
also
to
make
sure
that
we
work
closely
with
other
in
other
d5
protocols.
So
I'll
say
that
we're
going
to
see
more
of
those
kind
of
experimental
ones
as
well
in
terms
of
something
that
I
think
we
should
also
look
at.
C
It's
like
increasing
by
itself
is
great,
but
I
chose
the
question
about
okay,
who
are
we
serving
one
and
then
two?
Is
that
like?
What
can
we
do
with
it
right?
Because
I
think
that
what
we
kind
of
looked
at
like
when
we
looked
at
dice
supply,
we
just
kind
of
looked
at
like
oh
here's,
like
let's
say,
10
billion
or
like
11
billion
die.
You
know
that
is
a
good
milestone
as
well.
C
But
the
question
is
like
if
the
point
of
b5-
and
this
is
something
that
I
believe
a
lot
of
people-
not
just
me
strong
believe-
is
like
if
we
said
d5
is
there
to
change
the
world
and
also
trying
to
in
the
bank
done
bank.
You
know
people
who
do
not
have
access
to
it,
but
even
myself,
if
I
want
to
get
a
loan,
I
have
to
sign
like
30
times
to
get
along.
You
know
we're
trying
to
make
it
simple.
C
I
can
see
that
happening
or
even
if
it's
like,
indirectly
helping
like,
for
example,
there
might
be
a
different
protocol
that
launches
on
different,
let's
say
like
a
different
blockchain,
and
then
we
have
all
this
psm
with
them.
So
you
know
in
effect
we
you
know,
get
to
reach
out
to
them.
So
people
can,
you
know
easily
use
it.
E
A
C
C
Yeah,
oh,
I
was
gonna
say
that
you
know
you
don't
have
to
as
serious.
You
know,
questions
per
se.
You
know
if
there's
any
you
know
personal
questions,
are
you
curious
or
because
I
didn't
really
explain
like,
but
I
mean
I
talked
about
my
experiences
medicare
others,
but
if
you're
curious
about
like
some
others
or
like
where
I'm
you
know,
passionate
about
maker
and
things
like
that,
like
I'm,
also
happy
thanks
for
others,.
A
I
guess
you
know
in
a
situation
where
the
dow
is
you
know
in
a
point
where
it's
sort
of
spending
more
than
its
spring
in,
like
I
guess
how
would
you
approach
that
as
a
delegate
right
like
sort
of
what
sort
of
things
would
you
consider
like
what
actions
would
you
consider
taking
place?
Sorry,
you
know
pushing
for
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff.
C
Yep
I'll
say
that
if
the
revenue
is
dropping
now
to
be
honest
because
I'm
looking
for
the
problematic,
I
think
that
we
might
also
need
to
kind
of
review
our
plans
in
a
way.
You
know
that's
something
that
I
also
realize
is
that
people
are
very
afraid
of
sometimes
voting,
no
against
some
of
the
budgets.
It
increases,
and
I
can
understand
that
right
because
if
you
follow
against
it,
then
for
you
know,
for
example,
what
is
according
to
others,
they
have
their
plans
and
they
believe
that
they're
very
good
plans
right.
C
That's
why
they
say
that,
like
we
have
this
new
plan,
we
can
expand
it.
We
can,
you
know,
help
die
and
then
that's
why
we
want
to
increase
it,
but
at
the
same
time
we
understand
that
there
has
been
no
government
in
the
agency.
That
actually
has
you
know
fewer
people.
You
know
right,
so
I
think
that
that's
something
that
I've
kind
of
you
know
afraid
as
well.
It's
like
okay,
if
you
look
at
the
revenue
side,
obviously
we
have
to
look
at,
for
example,
supply
diet
and
things
like
that.
C
But
at
the
same
time,
we
also
have
to
look
at
the
you
know
expanding
side.
I
think
that
you
know
that's
something
that
we
have
to
look
at
well,
you
know
both
because
it's
possible
that
we
might
be
able
to
use
that,
for
you
know
better
uses
right
so
I'll
say
that
in
terms
of
the
different
collateral,
that's
something
that
we've
been
researching
a
lot,
especially
in
terms
of
robot
assets.
C
I
do
think
that
there
will
be
a
time
that,
whether
it's
a
risk,
team
or
others
we'll
have
to
think
like
okay,
we
can
technically
earn
more
revenue,
but
then
this
might
be
a
little
riskier,
but
the
ideal
situation
would
be
like
okay,
this
is
similar
risk,
but
then
it
can
be
it's
much
more
scalable
right.
So
I
was
so
in
response
to
your
question.
It's
like
a.
I
think
that
we
need
to
kind
of
look
at
our
spending
as
well,
which
I
think
will
be
very
controversial,
but
not
be
shy.
C
C
How
can
we
scale
it
as
well
as,
like
you
know,
kind
of
you
know
going
back,
it's
like
okay,
if
we
you
know,
for
example,
if
there
are
people
who
you
know
can
I
use
you
know,
die
or
vault
because
less
a
fee
or
they
don't
know
about
it,
then
you
know
that's
something
that
we
can
help
with
whether
it's
marketing
or
whether
it's
some
different
maintenance
or
you
know
layer.
Two,
so
I
think
that
we'll
kind
of
focus
on
that
as
well.
A
C
For
me,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
inviting,
and
then
I
must
say
that
this
was
actually
very
in
a
hard
decision,
because
I've
been
in
working
for
maker
for
long
and
then
I've
been
also
looking
at
you
know.
So
many
great
you
know
delegates,
but
it's
so
for
me
was
that
I
don't
really
want
to.
You
know,
compete
with
delegates,
it's
more
for
that.
C
I
saw
that
and
that
I
heard
from
many
that
they
want
their
voice
to
be
heard
and
they
will
not
be
or
to
share
their
feedback
others.
So
if
you
know
there
are
any
others
that
you
can
also
teach
me
or
you
know,
help
me
in
a
better
understanding
of
certain
protocols
or
you
know
what
is
coordinates
or
initiative
I'll.
Definitely
you
know
appreciate
it.
So
thank
you
so
much.
A
F
Sure
so
we're
joined
by
ian
ian
dobbins
is
a
new
hire
focused
on
the
solana.
Ecosystem
he's
been
involved
in
sabre
maker,
sorry,
savor,
marinade
mango
markets
and
other
developing
projects
on
sabre.
We
also
have
davin
david.
Is
our
trusty
intern
who's
been
doing
everything
from
east
solana,
tara
and
kind
of
supporting
the
team.
Myself
is
fig.
I
joined
flip
side
back
in
october,
focused
mostly
on
east
and
terra
networks.
F
G
Thanks
yeah,
we're
really
excited
to
be
here.
I
do
recognize
a
few
familiar
names
I
for
those
other.
On
the
call
I
mentioned
doing
I
met
in
paris.
I
see
jen
and
juan
here
as
well,
so
hey
guys
and
pleasure
to
meet
everyone
else,
so
fing
will
probably
likely
be
doing
a
ton
of
the
talking
here,
but
I
thought
it'd
be
useful
to
give
a
quick
background
on
flip
side
and
the
impetus
for
like
why.
G
We,
why
flip
side
governance
and
why
we're
here
so
my
level
overview
from
site's
been
around
since
2017,
first
and
foremost,
a
data
infrastructure
provider
multi-chain,
we
actually
started
off
kind
of
analyzing,
a
lot
of
stuff
that
happened
to
do
with
maker,
dao
and
ethereum,
spread
out
to
solana
and
terra
and
fortune
mir
and
harmony
and
a
bunch
of
other
chains.
I
would
think
of
the
business
kind
of
in
two
ways,
so
the
data
infrastructure
side
and
for
those
that
are
data
focused.
G
Overall,
the
impetus
for
for
the
for
starting
launching
the
governance
team
back
in
september
of
last
year
was
you
know
we
had
been
working
extensively
in
dallas
working
on.
You
know,
engaging
contributing
working
on
dvd
partnerships,
b2bd
partnerships
and
just
saw
a
lot
of
deficiency
within
governance
overall
across
the
ecosystem,
felt
like
the
infrastructure
was
at
a
place
where
it
was
really
starting
to
become
usable
and
really
start
to
find
product
market
fit.
I
mean
it
really
felt
like
some
of
the
organizational
structures
on
top
of
it.
G
Dallas
in
particular,
just
were
deficient.
They
weren't
working
and
as
a
core
business
ethos.
You
know
we're
providing
data
objectively
across
all
these
ecosystems.
Our
goal
as
a
business
is
to
just
help
blockchains
grow
and
just
be
make
them
what
they
support
that
promise,
and
it
really
felt
like
an
amazing
opportunity
for
us
and
all
of
our
learnings
to
put
that
into
effect
and
I'm
kind
of
core
to
all
the
stuff
that
we're
doing
as
a
team
is
education.
G
And
so
not
only
are
we
trying
to
understand
what's
happening
within
these
networks
and
making
what's
opaque
on
blockchain,
more
transparent
and
understandable
and
analyzable,
and
we
felt
like
that
needed
that
kind
of
qualitative
piece
needed
to
be
added
to
the
governance
angle
and
dials
as
well.
So
here
we
are.
G
We
obviously
felt
like
maker
was
the
big
leagues
in
terms
of
organizational
structure,
and
there
was
a
ton
of
opportunity,
a
ton
of
things
we
could
bring
to
the
dow
from
our
other
experiences
and
also
things
that
we
can
learn
and
and
grow
from
in
being
here.
So
it
seems
like
a
no-brainer
for
us
to
get
involved
and
yeah.
Here
we
are
so.
I
will
step
down
off
the
soapbox
and
hand
it
over
to
fig
to
address
some
of
the
other
awesome
questions.
G
If
maker
man's
on
just
the
last
anecdote,
we
knew
things
were
going
to
be
awesome
and
intensive
here,
and
you
know
we
put
our
delegate
forum
post
up
and
then
immediately.
Makerman
comes
with
like
10
to
12,
really
in-depth,
awesome
questions
and
we're
like
okay.
Here
we
are,
let's
go
it's
real.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
we're
excited.
F
F
F
I
really
enjoyed
kind
of
watching
the
industry
grow,
but
my
critique
was,
I
wasn't
learning
enough
and
that's
how
I
found
flipside.
I
kind
of
saw
this
transition
to
b2d
business
to
dao,
and
I
see
a
lot
of
that
opportunity
in
governance
right
being
able
to
think
strategically
about
how
a
protocol
grows.
Being
able
to
think
about
partnerships
being
able
to
think
about
organizational
structure
was
things
that
were
really
interesting
to
me.
F
F
E
Thanks
so
much
for
for
being
here
and
joining
us,
especially
on
quick
notice
yeah,
it's
awesome
to
have
the
whole
crew
here.
I've
got
a
particularly
relevant
question
for
you.
It
might
be
the
views
on
cross
chain
as
well
like
multi-chain
strategy,
because
their
particular
direction.
You
want
to
see
maker
going
in
this,
especially
given
your
experience
with
other
other
protocols
on
other
chains.
F
Yeah
know
when
you
guys
were
asking
about
a
lack
of
interest
in
borrowers.
You
know
this
isn't
a
problem
that
just
maker's
happening
anchors
dealing
with
a
similar
problem
as
well.
I
personally
believe
that
the
cross-chain
future
is
now
it.
You
know
it's
not
coming
in
a
year
to
two
years:
it's
it's
happening.
If
you
look
at
different
governance
forms,
there's
ton
of
liquidity,
mining
proposals
going
on
there's
a
ton
of
opportunities
to
integrate
stable
coins
into
different
exchanges
into
different
g5
protocols
for
maker.
F
G
Oh,
I
was
going
to
say
yeah
and
I
agree
with
what
things
saying.
I
think
the
obviously
we've
seen
some
ecosystems
or
some
protocols
try
and
stretch
themselves
too
thin
in
launching
across
multiple
protocols
and
having
trouble
even
consolidating
data
and
not
having
access
to
performance
and
being
able
to
track.
So
like
it's
important
to
do
that.
G
C
G
E
Yeah,
certainly,
I
guess
that's
a
brief
follow-up
if
you
allowed
what
are
some
ways,
I
guess
mentioning
that
this
is
happening
now
and
you
know
there's
obviously
a
call
for
for
speed.
How
do
we
do
this
safely?
How
do
we
develop
safely
and
get
this
through
governance
process
in
a
way
that
both
takes
advantage
of
the
opportunity,
but
also
doesn't
overlook
security
concerns.
F
Right,
I
think,
that's
a
great
question.
You
know
I
I've
seen
a
lot
of
protocols
pioneer
really
interesting
models
like
community
bug.
Bounties,
I
think
that's
important,
but
also
you
know
being
able
to
willing
to
pay
for
not
in
you
know,
tested
in
a
production
environment.
I
think
also,
you
know,
developing
connections
with
the
team.
You
know,
community
partnerships
are
really
important,
but
also
understanding.
The
team
behind
these
protocols
and
different
networks
is
imperative
to
kind
of
guaranteeing
a
smooth
integration.
G
Yeah,
this
is
probably
a
table
stakes,
protocols
or
network
tables
networks
that
can
be
deployed
that
are
probably
safer,
bets,
so
kind
of
developing
a
bit
of
a
risk
assessment
understand
what
what
it
would
look
like
to
deploy,
whether
it's
worth
deploying
you
hate
to
deploy
and
then
go
to
a
ghost
chain.
You
know
three
months
later,
six
months
later,
so
I
think
there's
some
confidence
steps.
You
could
take
short
term.
G
I
think
also,
you
know,
I
think
uniswap
is
a
great
model
for
how
they
make
decisions
internally
and
within
the
dow,
so
they
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
behind
the
curve.
In
terms
of
you
know
they
just
kind
of
approved
polygon
and
that's
because
they
have
the
luxury
of
kind
of
having
a
really
established
market
and
presence
already.
So
they
can
make
those
kind
of
they
can
make
sure
it's
safe,
that
the
water's
warm
kind
of
thing,
and
so
sometimes
that
is
safer
approach
for
a
selfish
protocol.
H
I
thank
you.
Thank
you
both
do
as
well
for
being
here.
I'm
excited
to
hear
about
your
platforms,
wonder
if
you
could
speak
about
permissionlessness
and
it
sort
of
also
connected
to
do
what
you
were
saying
about
users
in
china
and
safety
and
security
concerns
and
how
technically
we
may
need
to
re-architect
some
things,
but
just
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
on.
H
You
know
the
permissionless
nature
of
dye,
and
you
know
how
that
sits
with
you
in
this
environment
and
and
then
also
you
know,
we've
we've
had
to
grapple
with
some
regulatory
risk,
and
you
know
there's
some
views
about
centralizing
or
centralizing
aspects
you
know
incorporating
somewhere
and
to
manage
that
risk.
Just
wondering
any
of
your
thoughts
to
do
with
permissionlessness
of
die
and
make
or
doubt
how
you'd
like
to
see
us
grow.
In
that
context,.
F
Yeah
great,
in
my
perspective,
centralization
is
a
bell
curve
right.
You
start
off
very
centralized
and,
as
you
grow,
you
become
more
decentralized,
but
as
you
reach
a
certain
threshold,
you
kind
of
turn
around
and
approach
centralization
again,
while
we
love
to
tell
this
industry
loves
to
tell
like
the
importance
of
decentralization
some
of
the
best
products
out,
there
are
very
sexualized,
I'm
not
afraid
of
that
being
able
to
approach
that
in
a
smart
manner
and
that
that
is
like
in
terms
of
legal,
that's
in
terms
of
onboarding
new
users.
F
I
think
there
is
validity
in
becoming
a
more
permissioned
product.
I
don't
think
that
a
permissionless
product
still
can
exist.
I
would
look
at
like
something
like
ave
who's,
exploring
like
the
ark
market
and
that's
you
know:
permissioned
lending
to
institutions,
kyc
aml,
all
that
all
that.
So
I
do
see
a
future
where
there
can
be
a
permission
list
and
a
permission
to
project,
and
I
would
be
willing
to
support
something
of
the
source.
I
I
F
I
would
add
zk's
thing
sync
to
that
list,
but
I
think
it's
it's
interesting
right,
you're,
looking
at
a
lot
of
these
other
money
markets
and
lending
protocols
and
they're
looking
at
other
layer
ones,
a
lot
of
them,
don't
really
include
include
these,
these
roll
ups
or
these
layer
twos.
So
I
think
focusing
on
that
is
a
great
niche
for
maker.
I
don't
think
a
ton
of
users
are
on
these
chains
yet,
but
there
will
be
in
the
future.
F
G
Obviously
the
evm
strategy,
after
that,
it's
probably
the
easiest
transition
in
terms
of
dev
resources
and
understanding
the
infrastructure,
but
obviously
introduces
a
bit
more
risk
when
they're
built
on
you
know
if
it's
moon,
beam
or
polka
dot
or
avalanche
or
whatever
might
be,
it's
still
you're,
exposing
yourself
to
to
lots
of
other
other
problems.
So
I
love
that
strategy.
G
I
think
it's
it's
correct
in
its
current
form-
and
I
think
you
know
the
luxury
of
time
to
see
where
other
places
are
kind
of
attracting
critical
mass
and
should
be
maybe
considered,
and
we
would
love
to
provide
that
type
of
insight
and
it's
kind
of
where
we,
where
we
play
and
specialize,
be
able
to
provide
data
on
certain
types
of
you
know
key
metrics
that
might
be
important
to
the
dao
and
that's
kind
of
the
part
of
the
you
know.
The
value
add
that
we'd
love
to
bring
as
a
delegate.
I
Yeah,
nice,
nice.
I
have
another
question
kind
of
a
follow-up
semi-related
question
with
the
expansion
of
like
you,
know,
layer
two
approaches.
Naturally,
there
is
going
to
be
an
expansion
of
resources
that
are
needed,
whether
it's
a
new
core
unit
or
a
new
like
sub
team
of
pe
or
something
that
works
on
these.
So
the
question
is
related
to
kind
of
the
surplus
buffer
management
strategy.
Question
of
the
dow.
So
are
you
for
the
burn
or
are
you
for
like
a
more
aggressive
growth
strategy?
F
J
Yeah
sure
so
thanks
you
guys
for
putting
up
your
platform,
sorry
to
jump
into
this
a
little
bit
late,
but
I
kind
of
wanted
to
ask
a
little
bit
of
a
clarifying
question.
You
mentioned
a
lot
of
like
these
strategic
approaches
to
like
other
evm
compatible
chains
are.
Is
anyone
on
your
team,
like
a
protocol
to
people,
have
that
technical
expertise,
or
would
this
be
more
sort
of
like
your
strategic
insights,
coming
from
flip
side
writ
large.
F
F
G
J
G
Yeah
totally
and
yeah,
so
in
that
sense
I
think
they
cover
most
of
it
and
just
clarifying
kind
of
note
on
our
overall
team
structure
at
flipside
is
being
60
strong,
we're
pretty
flat,
and
we
the
way
we
design
it
is
everyone.
People
can
follow
their
interests
and
kind
of
demands
of
who
we're
working
with.
So
that's
a
great
push
if
you
need
kind
of
a
more
pragmatic,
hands-on
approach
to
some
of
these
implementations
or
decisions.
G
D
G
Yeah,
it's
a
great
great
question.
We
actually
I
mean
we
built
some
stimulation
simulation
solutions.
Ourselves,
certainly
not
a
competitive
gauntlet
at
all,
but
our
basic
data
infrastructure
is
designed
to
be
leveraged
in
some
of
those
types
of
simulations,
and
our
community
of
analysts
have
many
have
data,
science,
backgrounds
and
expertise
in
building
solutions
that
may
solve
that.
F
F
A
G
Yeah,
absolutely
as
soon
as
we
decided
as
a
team
to
run
at
this,
we
started
doing
research,
so
david
is
actually
in
the
midst
of
doing
some.
Very
in-depth
research
on
maker
he's
presenting
to
us
on
friday,
and
so
that's
kind
of
part
of
our
process
is
engaging
with
any
protocol,
is
to
understand
the
way
that
they
function
and
operate
in
depth
and
really
internalize
it
and
then
put
it
into
action.
G
F
F
You're
right,
you
know
maker
is
complex
and
we
want
to
kind
of
smooth
some
of
that
complexity.
When
you
look
at
new
user
growth,
they
don't
understand
like
what
a
surplus
surplus
mechanism
is
right.
They
understand
a
stable
coin.
That
means
it's
one
dollar,
so
kind
of
being
able
to
translate
that
and
represent
that
to
a
wider
community
is
really
important
to
us.
F
I
love
to
create
proposals,
that's
a
good
thing
and
a
bad
thing.
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
will
happen
off
the
bat,
but,
as
you
ramp
up,
you
know
maybe
a
month
or
two,
and
I
would
love
to
actually
create
proposals
and
propose
different
partnerships
right
now.
We're
going
to
start
a
regular
cadence
to
align
with
those
monday
and
friday
voting
blocks
so
kind
of
setting
up
some
of
that
infrastructure
and
internally
and
and
just
getting
used
to
some
of
the
content
and
discussion
happening
on
maker.
F
J
J
I
think
we'd
have
to
go
digging
pretty
hard
and
it
might
be
really
nice
to
just
have
a
couple
links
to
some
of
the
grants
he
passed
that
you
were
proud
of,
or
some
of
the
other
forum
proposals
that
you
put
up.
I
think
that
would
just
help
the
rest
of
the
community,
and
also
you
know
selfishly-
would
love
to
read.