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From YouTube: Microsoft 365 PnP Weekly – Episode 115
Description
In this installment of the weekly discussion revolving around the latest news and topics on Microsoft 365, hosts – Vesa Juvonen (Microsoft) | @vesajuvonen, Waldek Mastykarz (Microsoft) | @waldekm, are joined by – Germany-based MVP Jarbas Horst of Finland-based Valo Intranet | @devjhorst. Their discussion touches on role transition from developer to manager, what suggests a successful day, importance of and evaluating feedback, the value of being an empathetic leader, and the challenge of bringing people together in remote work times. The latest 14 articles/videos delivered last week by Microsoft and Community were reviewed. This session was recorded on Monday, February 22, 2021.
References:
• See the full blog post for this episode at https://aka.ms/M365DevBlog
• Download the podcast for this episode at http://pnpweekly.podbean.com.
• Learn more about the Microsoft 365 Patterns and Practices community at: http://aka.ms/m365pnp
• Visit the Microsoft 365 Patterns and Practices community YouTube channel: https://aka.ms/m365pnp-videos
A
A
Never
mind
I'll
just
walk
away.
Okay
in
the
vmp
weekly,
we
always
talk
about
the
latest
on
microsoft,
365.
typically
have
a
visitor
and
then
the
articles,
my
name,
is
sesamon,
I'm
a
program
manager
in
the
15
sharepoint
engineering
site,
but
working
of
course
across
the
microsoft
365
ecosystem.
With
me,
as
a
co-host
is
a
cloud
advocate.
Are
you
already
used
to
that
term?
Voltex
you're,
no
longer
a
mvp.
I
have
every.
C
A
B
Exactly
yes,
so
that
is
the
one
thing
that
comes
with
the
job
like
among,
like
there
are
many
perks,
but
one
of
the
things
that
comes
with
a
job
is
complaining
like
you
cannot
you
can't?
You
can
no
longer
say
well,
microsoft!
No!
Well!
It's
us,
and
even
though,
like
it's
a
big
big
place
like
I
am
in
no
position
to
fix
anything.
However,
I
can
fix
a
printer
but
yeah.
Yes,
so
yeah.
It
is
absolutely
an
interesting
thing
to
realize.
A
D
D
Yeah
almost
I
mean
like
almost
maybe
10
months.
10
months
I
was
talking
to
alex,
say
sodomova,
a
colleague
of
mine.
He
has
been
mvp
for
10
years
and
we
have
this
comparison.
You
know
you
have
been
mvp
for
10
years.
I
have
been
mvp
for
maybe
almost
10
months.
So
tell
me
how
that
is
being
an
mvp
and
the
the
work
involved,
work
involved
with
community
contributions
and
well
it's
something
we
do
in
our
free
time.
D
You
know
contributing
to
to
to
the
community
and,
and
it
it's
it's
great,
I
have.
My
main
work
is
with
the
documentation.
So
I
have
been
fixing
reviewing.
Documents
are
from
the
sharepoint
microsoft
graph,
and
you
know
you
you
use
that
in
your
daily
work.
So
I'm
really
happy
to
to
give
my
feedback,
my
contribution,
fix
things
and
so
on,
and
that
that
helps,
I
think,
others
as
well,
and
that
that
that
makes
me
happy
absolutely.
A
D
Yes,
yes,
well,
we
used
that
nowadays,
walker
as
part
of
our
tool
called
about
teamwork.
It
does
provision
in
creation
of
teams,
and
so
it
includes
different
parts
of
graph,
and
you
know
for
me,
it's
important
the
information
that
that
is
presented
there
is
accurate
as
possible.
Now,
since
I
use
that
I
like
to
have
that
as
as
clear
as
possible
so
far
earlier,.
B
A
D
D
And
then
you
get
an
opportunity
to
move
to
a
more
soft
area
which
includes
other
responsibilities,
other
skills,
skill
set
other
than
you
know
like
being
technical
and
then
writing
code
and
what's
something
I
really
love,
but
then
it's
more
about
communication
towards
partners,
customs
understand
our
customers,
issues
trying
to
solve
that
and
well.
This
is
this
is
how
it
is
now
for
me,
and
it
has
been
very
interesting.
I
used
to
have
sebastian
level
as
a
mentor.
Now
he
joined
microsoft.
D
D
I
don't
want
to
say
drop
all
that
knowledge
that
I
have,
but
can
I
still
take
advantage
of
of
that
in
my
my
product
in
my
new
role,
so
that
was
a
big
I
took
a
couple
of
days
to
think
about
them
and
that
helped
me
also
to
talk
to
other
people
like
sebastian,
levitt
and
and
so
on.
We
see
that
in
our
community
happening
as
well.
D
B
D
Well,
no,
I
think
you
you
can
be
there
forever.
I
have
in
my
team
people
who
has
been
developer
for
20
years
and
they
are
very
knowledgeable
very
you
know
like
they
see
the
product
and
they
understand
very
quickly
what
that
means,
and
it's
it's
impressive.
I
have.
I
have
one
guy
in
my
team.
It's
it's
just
amazing
to
work
with
him
so
and
on
the
other
hand,
I
I
thought
it
is
an
opportunity
to
try
to
improve
the
product
from
a
different
area
and
and
maybe
to
try
something
new.
D
You
can
say
no,
but
you
know
I
I
was,
I
think,
I'll.
Try
that
I'll
give
that
a
try,
and
I
thought
I
had
a
doctor
with
my
manager.
We,
we
thought,
you
know,
let's
try
that
for
six
months
and
if
that's
not
going
to
work,
then
we
can't
change
again,
but
it
it
has
been
working
fine
and
I'm
I'm
happy
with
the
position.
D
A
Dependent
on
the
on
the
team
and
the
skill
sets
because,
of
course
you
need
to
have
a
technical
people,
but
if
you
only
have
technical
people
and
awesome
developers,
then
whatever
they
do
don't
necessarily
match
what
the
customers
and
partners
want
to
actually
be
there
or
want
to
use.
And
it's
it's
an
interesting
dilemma
on
collecting
the
right
skill
set
of
people.
D
Yes,
I
mean
you
know:
I
spent
the
first
two
months
of
this
new
role
talking
to
partners
to
customers
trying
to
understand
the
the
problems
they
have
trying
to
understand.
What
no
can
can
you
sell
the
product?
Do
you
have
everything
you
need?
What
what
errors
should
we
improve
and
from
newcastle's
perspective?
What's
about
usability?
Do
we
have
the
features
you
need,
and
that
was
you
know
like
you
need
to
just
start
seeing
the
product
from
a
different
from
different
point
of
view.
C
D
I
I
think,
like
you,
cannot
make
everyone
happy
that
that's
that's
the
thing
and
you
need
to
be
aware
of
that,
and
you
need
to
be
aware
also
like
it's
it's
a
product,
it's
not
an
individual
solution
that
you
are
building.
So
if
you
get
feature
requests
from
from
people
can,
then
you
think
you
start
thinking
about
the
the
time
ensuring
quality-
and
you
know
having
all
these.
These
factors
are
while
building
something
you
know
you
can
spend
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
to
create
something
and
making
that
perfect.
D
D
I
I
think,
like
the
communication
and
and
remembering
I
have
a
a
list
of
things
to
think
about
when
developing
the
product,
it's
not
individual
solution,
it's
a
product.
This
is,
I
think,
my
my
my
I'm
looking
here,
because
this
is
where
my
list
is
always
when
I
get
it,
I
have
a
look
at
it.
Okay,
it's
fine.
A
But
it,
and
of
course
all
of
this
is
one
hundred
percent,
if
I
think
about
my
role
as
a
program
manager.
Well,
I'm
in
a
slightly
different
role
as
a
typical
program
manager,
but
as
a
typical
feature
program
manager
in
microsoft.
It's
exactly
what
people
need
to
do
so
manage
collect
feedback
and
do
experiments
and
then
tell
the
developers
what
they
need
to
do
and
then
do
some
final
testing,
validation,
making
sure
the
documentation
is
being
done
and
then
being
responsible
of
driving
adaption
for
the
future
as
well.
D
Yeah,
you
cannot
only
focus
on
development.
You
know
I'm
going
to
take
today
here
to
develop
that
feature
that
doesn't
happen.
I
I
I
have
tmc
and
right
now
here
I
see
like
the
messages
are
coming,
so
it
is
this
how
it
is,
and
you
need
to
I
try
to
organize
my
day
or
like
no.
This
is
in
this
hour
I'm
going
to
do
that
and
that
so
you
can
get
the
things
done,
because
you
need
to
work
together
with
marketing
with
the
sales
team.
You
need
to
be
there
for
the
developers.
D
As
I
have
been
saying
here,
like
communication
is,
is,
is
definitely
a
very
important
topic
being
also
able
to
listen
to
the
feedback
tolerant
as
well.
You
know
like
to
accept
the
feedback
to
accept
critique
that
they
come
as
well.
It's
not
only
about
you.
Oh
your
product
is
the
best,
but
it's
also
here
these
are
the
areas
that
you
need
to
improve
yeah.
I
think
these
these
three
are
very,
very
important
time
management.
It's
also
something
very,
very
important
to
have.
D
If
I
would
not
like
organize
my
day,
I
would
not
get
things
done,
so
this
is
definitely
a
very
being
able
to
present
sorry,
you
can
keep
you
can
keep
like
accounting.
You
know
you're
talking
to
to
the
board
of
directors.
You
are
talking
to
partners.
You
need
to
to
be
able
to
sell
your
product,
sell
your
ideas.
A
Well,
empathy
from
the
point
of
of
being
able
to
understand
what
your
customers
are
doing,
but
that
actually,
let's
come
back
on
that
one
in
a
second,
but
tolerance
is
actually
really
good
as
well,
because
quite
often,
if
you've
been,
let's
say
if
you
are
been
a
really
good
developer
in
the
past
and
moving
to
a
program,
manager,
role
or
a
product
owner
role.
And
then
you
need
to
have
obviously
tolerance
for
your
new
development
team,
because
you
can't
say
that.
Well,
let
me
show
it
to
you
how
it's
actually
being
done?
No!
No!
C
A
B
I
mean
for
me
it's
it
sounds
simple:
it
isn't
ignore
it
seriously
like
at
some
point.
They
basically
think
of
it
as
fire
and
every
response
you
give
to
it.
You
basically
put
more
fuel
to
fire
right,
so
you
only
keep
discussion
engaging
like.
If
I
get
a
comment
that
isn't
isn't
constructive
on
my
blog,
I
delete
it
at
times,
some
sometimes
not
depending
on
the
tone,
but
if
it,
if
it's
not
constructive,
saying
yeah
people
hate
it,
it's
stupid,
it
doesn't
add
anything
like.
B
C
B
D
I
mean
in
case
of
of
like
the
the
blog,
it's
it's
a
different
topic.
You
know
like
in
that
case.
I
also
you
know.
If
there
are
things
you
know:
okay,
for
instance,
this
this
company
sucks
for
instance,
or
something
like
that.
It's
it's
not
going
to
help
me
or
the
readers.
So
I
don't
publish
that
in
case
of
of
you
know,
customer
feedback,
partner
feedback,
then
it's
it's
different
story.
I
try
to
understand.
Does
it
make
sense?
D
If
we
are
talking
about,
like
you
know
like
the
people
criticizing
the
product,
then
I
try
to
think
about
that,
and
are
they
comparing
to
a
competitor,
for
instance?
Do
is
that
does
that
make
sense?
So
in
that
case
I
try
to
well.
I
take
that
seriously
and
try
to
rethink
if
what
we
are
doing
does
make
sense
or
not,
but
you
know
escalation.
The
escalation
is
also
very
important.
Our
skill
that
you
need
them
to
have
to
talk
to
people
and
make
them
understand.
D
What's
the
situation
yeah,
and
can
you
solve
that
and
then
also
being
honest,
transparent
to
people
when
they're
criticizing?
You
know
we
have.
We
have
a
limited
amount
of
resources,
we
have
a
limited
amount
of
time.
We
cannot
do
everything,
and
here
we
are
again
with
that
topic.
You
cannot
make
everyone
happy.
So
I
think
transparency
is
very
important
for.
B
B
They
have
been
trying
to
do
something
either
with
your
product
or
something
you
have
done,
and
it
doesn't
work
and
they're
stuck
and
it
stands
in
their
way
of
doing
the
things
they
have
to
do
so
you
know
they're
being
angry
and
then
like
once,
you
can
get
past
that
anger
like
no
no
calm
down,
tell
me
what's
wrong
and
they
will
say-
and
they
realize
I
get
it
now.
Yes,
you're
right,
it's
like
we
can
improve
on
that
or
maybe
you
missed
maybe
like.
B
I
didn't
explain
it
well,
and
I
missed
a
step
because
I
thought
everybody
knows
well.
Well,
they
don't
right
so
so
it's
really
often
like
like,
if
you
get
the
patience
to
get
through
that
first
hurdle
to
that.
First
emotion
like
you,
can
really
uncover
the
true
meaning
behind
feedback,
as
opposed
to
saying
no,
no
like
no.
No,
that's
that's
like
the
way.
You're
saying
is
wrong.
I
will
not
engage
with
you.
I
will.
I
will
ignore
you
because
you're
communicating
the
way
I
don't
want
to
you
talk
to
and.
A
And
one
way,
or
also
what
is
super,
valuable
and
related
on
that,
what
you
said
basically
going
back
on
the
person
and
start
asking
additional
details
being
open
for
it
being
transparent
and
basically
okay,
so
we
clearly
have
a
an
area
where
we
need
to
improve.
Can
we
elaborate?
Can
we
have
a
discussion
and
if
the
person
is
a
troll
typically
at
that
point
they
will
well
that's
that's.
You
know
that.
A
Are
they
troll
or
not,
because
there's
nothing
additional
behind
of
the
feedback,
but
if
they're
not
trolls,
they
typically
might
have
a
lot
of
valuable
inputs.
They've
thought
about
it,
they're
just
frustrated
like
you
said,
and
then,
when
you
go
and
haven't,
have
that
one-to-one
discussion
or
collect
additional
feedback
or
or
be
show
to
emphasis
towards
a
person
they
will
actually
might
give.
You
super
super
super
valuable
information.
D
But
I
think,
like
talking
in
that
case
in
this
you
know
where
people
are
really
frustrated,
is
very
important
rather
than
just
writing
chats
and
you
sometimes
don't
express
yourself
enough
with
words
or
cannot
explain,
things
are
well
and
then
sometimes
you
have
like
a.
We
use
english
as
a
common
language
for
communication
with
all
the
partners
we
have.
So
in
that
case
it
can
be
also
a
blocker
if
the
language
is
not
well
good
enough.
B
Absolutely
yeah,
and
also
maybe
another
aspect
to
that
is
a
culture
like
here
in
the
netherlands,
we
are
used
to
be
frank
and
direct
in
the
us,
for
example,
that
is
tall
opposite
right.
So,
while
like,
despite
our
best
intention
or
like
trying
to
be
really
short,
concise
to
the
point,
maybe
the
other
person
is
not
coming
from
from
the
same
place,
and
maybe
that's
not
the
way
they
they
used
to
communicate.
B
D
D
Because
of
work
at
home,
I
am
from
brazil
actually,
so
I'm
I'm.
I
have
been
living
in
germany
since
2010,
but
I
am
from
brazil
and
I
have
been
living
germany
and
now
I
work
at
a
company
from
finland.
I
have
already
been
in
finland
and
spent
weeks
there
and
I,
like
the
culture.
You
know
people
are,
I
think
they
are
polite
in
finland
and
they.
C
D
B
You
no
essentially
what
I
know
about
you
like
that
makes
perfect
sense
like
in
like,
if
you
think
about,
like
the
I
mean,
if,
if
I
think
about
like
everything
I
know
about
you
in
the
way
we
work
over
the
years,
it's
exactly
that!
It's
not
about
yourself,
you're,
not
putting
yourself
forward
you.
Basically
let
everybody
else
shine.
B
D
Cool
and
also
like,
if
I
think
about
my
company
and
the
management-
and
this
is
how
everyone
works-
that
they
are
team
player
and
you
know
together,
you
can
move
things
forward,
and
this
is
what
they
I
see
like
happening
at
valdo.
It's
not
only
about
the
individual,
it's
about
the
team
and
doing
things
together
to
you
know
make
at
the
end
of
the
day
the
customers
happy
yeah.
This
is
how
I
would
describe
that.
A
Well,
one
thing
may
be
related
on
that
one.
If
you
are
an
and
developer
kind
of
a
classic
developer
and
yes,
developers
are
super
super
developer
for
any
company
and
developers
who
deliver
and
and
you
can
give
them
a
task
and
then
they
do
that
and
and
then
most
of
the
some
of
the
developers
they
want
to
do
the
test
and
then
they
want
to
go
home
and
then
they
come
to
the
following
day
and
they
do
the
task
again
and
that's
completely
fine.
That's
super
valuable.
A
It's
a
different
skill
set
of
being
a
pm
or
a
program
manager
for
sure,
but
in
the
pm,
work
like
we
kind
of
attached
to
already
quite
a
few
times
and
being
able
to
understand
the
role
of
the
customer
or
a
partner,
is
absolutely
a
critical
base.
So
understanding
that.
Okay,
if
I
put
myself
on
their
role
they
need
to-
or
you
can
read
the
conclusions
out
of
that
as
well
or
the
product
features
out
of
that
as
well.
Absolutely.
B
Now
that
I
am
interested
in-
and
that
is
more
personal
thing,
because
I
I
went
through
exactly
the
same
change
as
you
said
a
while
back
right,
I
used
to
be
a
dev,
then
I
became
product
manager.
Then
I
became
head
of
product
now,
I'm
doing
different
things
still,
but
the
one
thing
that
I
found
really
hard
and
it
took
me
a
really
long
time
to
wrap
my
head
around
like
being
a
dev.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
I
can
see
the
things
that
I've
done.
I
can
see
the
code
that
I've
done.
B
I
can
see
I
can
at
the
end
of
the
day
I
can
really
easily
see
there
was
a
good
day
or
bad
day
being
a
manager
there
isn't.
There
is
no
code
like
at
some
days.
I
would
have
meetings
the
whole
day,
so
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
recall
that
it
was
very
hard
for
me
to
say:
was
it
a
good
day
or
not
like
when?
When
am
I
satisfied
with
my
day?
So
I
wonder:
how
do
you
experience
that
airbus,
like
basically
going
through
exactly
the
same?
B
D
D
So
what
I
try
to
do
internally
with
the
partner
communication,
is
like
to
create
videos,
for
instance,
and
share
that
information
to
them.
To
validate
my
my
steps,
my
ideas,
the
way
we
are
developing
and
when
I
see
that
that
I
published
it
and
I
start
getting
feedback.
That
makes
me
happy,
and
I
try
to
do
that
once
a
week,
so
at
least
once
a
week
I
have
a
good
day.
So
in
that
sense,
but
it's
it's
very
difficult
really
to
you
know,
did
I
have
a
productive
day.
C
D
C
A
Cool
cool
should
we
jump
to
the
articles
and
we'll
come
back
on
the
on
the
discussion
for
a
while.
So
let's
actually
go
through
this,
so
sharing
my
screen
now
a
few
a
few
articles
from
microsoft
site,
actually
surprisingly
slow
week
last
week,
it
might
be
that
everybody
is
super
busy
on
on
making
things.
This
would
be
in
the
range
of
winter
holidays
and
then
being
super
busy.
So
it's
kind
of
understandable
at
least.
A
So
we're
kind
of
delaying
some
of
the
announcements
and
all
of
that
which
is
registered
as
well
yeah,
absolutely
now
for
the
microsoft
team
side,
enhanced
productivity,
microsoft
teams
with
pop-up,
apps
and
taps,
and
this
is
really
about
the
fact
that
you
can
actually
pop
up
any
chat
or
an
application
to
an
individual
window,
and
then
you
can
have
multiple
ones,
which
is
actually
pretty
cool.
This
works
surprisingly
and
nicely
so
you
can
actually
the
classic
story.
A
At
least
in
my
my
site
is
like
150
teams
and
children
round
off
chats,
and
then
you
can.
The
fact
that
you
can
pop
them
out
is
super
important,
so
you
don't
have
to
switch
between
the
views
so
really
cool
as
well,
and
the
improvements
there
now.
This
one
is
from
a
satin
much
that
latest
air
powered
audio
codecs
for
real-time
communication,
basically
walking
through
the
updates
on
here
and
adjustments
on
the
microsoft
team
side
and
how
we
can
improve
things
and
how
the
audio
encoding
is
working.
A
It's
actually
interesting
to
think
about,
if
you
think
about,
let's
say
the
microsoft
teams
as
a
product.
Quite
often,
we
don't
even
think
about
how
much
work
there
goes
behind
of
the
scenes
related
on
audio
and
video,
encoding
and
optimization
of
that
stuff,
because
all
of
that
is
like
behind
of
the
scenes
happening
just
automatically
so
magically.
We
can
see
each.
A
A
lot
of
improvements
on
this
side
as
well
and
then
optimization
and
I
think
the
background,
noise,
cancellations
and
all
of
that
stuff
on
runtime,
which
is
like
wow,
so
mind-blowing,
the
back
back,
screen
removals
and
so
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
interesting
stuff
happening
there.
Now
this
one
is
from
emily
mancini.
A
Some
progress
is
consulting
from
the
microsoft
365
bmp
block,
so
adding
custom
metadata
through
content
back
in
learning
pathways,
so
from
the
learning
pathways,
which
is
really
cool
solution
for
sharepoint
online
and
for
microsoft,
teams
for
automatic
learning
materials,
and-
and
this
really
works
to
how
you
create
a
custom
content
pack.
So
how
do
you
modify
things
and
work
through
the
process
so
really
cool
from
that
perspective?
A
B
Looking
for
a
report
of
sites-
and
you
have
a
report-
you
could
send
it
via
email,
but
nowadays
with
everybody
in
teams
and
adaptive
card
might
be
a
better
way
because
it's
already
in
the
place
where
you
are-
and
it
gives
you
this
really
great
way-
to
show
structured
info
in
a
way
that
doesn't
take
a
long
time
to
get
in
place,
and
that
looks
great
on
your
phone
desktop
web
and
whatnot.
So
you
don't
need
to
worry
about
formatting
or
not.
You
can
just
basically
build
a
card
and
then
overlay
data.
B
You
want
to
show
in
an
easy
way
to
read
and
even
then
add
actions
to
it,
so
that
card
can
have
action
to
go
to
an
api
to
see
more
info
or
something
and
whatnot.
So
that
is,
I
think,
a
great
way
to
do
it
and
you
can
do
it
like
with
cli.
I
think
two
scenarios
automation
every
morning.
I
want
to
have
a
report
of
my
sites
or
at
scale:
let's
send
this
card
to
10
people
who
haven't
updated
their
profiles
since
a
year,
yep.
A
Yeah
very
cool,
good
stuff
adaptive
card
is,
is
being
more
and
more
adapted
across
the
diff
individual
products,
so
it's
really
really
good
to
see
and
that
progress
as
well
now
sharpest.
Your
latest
was
around
speaking
shipment
cloppy,
which
is
a
phoenix
thing
about
the
employee
on
voting
on
a
digital
era.
And
do
you
want
to
actually
talk
about
briefly
and
what
was
the
the
conclusion
or
the
the
key
topics
related
on
this
one.
D
D
You
should
think
about
that,
and
that's
something
sometimes
I
have
already
experienced
that
in
in
before
you
know
like
it
can
be
like
this.
Sometimes
what
I
have
heard
from
people
is,
for
instance,
you
know
like
the
first
first
week.
Is
here's
the
sharepoint
list
here
the
tasks
that
you
have
and
after
one
week
we
will
see
where
we
are
you,
you
can
do
that
in
a
different
way.
We
have
right
now
the
tools
we
need.
D
If
you
are
using
microsoft
and
c5
everything
is
there,
you
could
use
microsoft
teams
to
onboard
people
individually.
You
know
this
is
the
onboarding
space
for
john,
for
instance,
or
for
mia,
and
in
that
workspace
you
could
have
a
planner
plan
for
managing
all
the
tasks
related
on
body
process
of
that
person.
You
could
bring
content
from
an
internet
inside
microsoft
teams
so
that
the
new
employee
will
have
all
the
information
that
he
needs
like
in
one
place.
D
Okay,
so
all
the
tools
they
are
there
right
now,
it's
just
about
configuration
putting
them
together.
You
can
automate
the
process
with
the
third
party.
If
you
want,
but
everything
is
there,
you
could
even
configure
everything
manually
if
you
want,
so
we
should
use
the
the
tools
we
have
and
if
you
are
using
planner,
for
instance,
we
have
that
taskbackplan
app
inside
microsoft
teams
where,
as
an
hr
manager,
you
can
see
all
the
tasks
related
to
the
embody
process
of
john
for
instance,
and
can
have
an
overview.
D
So
we
have
everything
we
need
and
we
should
take
advantage
of
that
and
put
things
together.
Yeah.
I
think,
like
I
like
to
talk
about
this,
this
human
aspect,
it's
important.
It
is
very
important.
You
know
you,
you
might
get
the
situation.
You
have
the
recruitment
process
from
from
planning
interview
assign
the
contract.
Then
you
have
your
own
boarding
process.
Does
the
the
recruitment
process
ends
there
or
does
it
continue?
D
A
It's
certainly
not
about
technology,
it's
all
about
human
beings
and
human
relationships
and
building
those
processes
and
making
sure
that
there's
a
process
in
place
now,
while
just
out
of
curiosity
you're
on
boarding,
the
microsoft
has
been
completely
remote
as
well.
You've
never
seen
the
people
in
your
organization.
Even
you
met
some
local
people
from
microsoft
for
giving
you
a
laptop,
I
think
no.
A
B
Hard
was
it
for
you
if
you
think
so,
in
a
way
it
I.
I
don't
think
I
am
a
good
case
for
that
because,
like
I've
been
around
microsoft
for
12
years,
so
basically
I
crammed
my
I
don't
know
month
of
onboarding
in
two
days,
yeah,
because
I
know
already
the
market.
I
know
the
kind
of
the
tools
I
know
all
the
acronyms
and
dictionaries,
and
I
know
what
we
do
for
work
so
like.
B
So
everything
is
new
yeah
right,
but
I
guess
the
interesting
part
there
is
that,
like
you
said
it's
not
about
tools
again,
it's
about
empathy
like
what
is
a
new
person
is
going
to
need
to
work
effectively
and
to
want
to
stay
airbus,
as
you
said,
to
want
to
stay
with
us
beyond
their
probation
period
and
sure,
like
tools
can
help
you
with
that.
But
it
requires
you
to
take
the
step
back,
like
first
acknowledge
that
you
have
somebody
new
on
the
on
your
team.
B
You
have
somebody
who
wants
to
join,
who
like
took
the
risk
and
chance,
and
how
do
you
convince
them
to
stay?
How
do
you
sell
them
on
the
promise
that
the
company
has
right,
and
it
comes
down
to
like
first
realizing
that
like
acknowledge
that
that
there
is
that
thing
going
on,
and
then
you
have
to
go
from
there
like?
Okay,
what
are
their
resources?
B
How
do
we
help
them
meet
new
folks
right
because,
like
in
my
team,
I
am
in
a
team
of
10.,
but
then
beyond
that
there
is
like
another
team
of
700
deferral.
Folks,
I
haven't
met
like
how
do
I
reach
out
to
them
like
because
that
they're,
like
dynamic
of
like
basically
the
same
way
you
go
to
a
party?
If
the
room
is
too
big,
you
will
be
lost
if
the
room
is
too
small.
Well,
you
might
get
to
know
one
person,
but
there's
so
much
more
out
there
so
like.
B
D
This
is
one
challenge
that
our
management,
hr
departments,
team
leaders
in
general
are
facing
currently
from
my
point
of
view
now
bringing
people
together
in
times
where
we
don't
see
each
other.
I
mean
physically,
you
know
it's,
it's
so
big
difference.
You
can
see.
People
talk
to
them,
but
now
everything
is
happening
like
like.
We
are
doing
right
now
here.
I
just
see
you
here
from
my
computer.
I
I
don't
know
you
know
like.
D
Yes,
that's
that's
the
point.
You
know
this.
This
challenge
people
are
facing
that
currently
and
you
you
need
to
be
innovative.
You
need
like
different
skills
from
what
you
have
in
the
past
in
the
past.
You
could
have
a
breakfast
and
put
maybe
everyone
together
in
one
place
or
have
a
dinner,
it's
more
challenging.
Now,
it's
you
know.
If
you,
you
get
the
situation
or
you're
in
a
situation
where
it's
more
about
performing.
B
But
also
there's
this
another
interesting
thing
because,
like
if
I
think
about
my
previous
job,
which
was
also
remote,
but
we
like
all
of
us,
worked
in
the
same
same
geography,
so
we
could
have
had
like
coffee
call
at
10
a.m
like,
but
now
my
10
a.m
is
evening
in
australia,
middle
of
the
night
in
america,
like
my
team,
is
spread
across
the
globe.
So
there's
even
less
chance
for
us
to
have
this
serendipitous
omens
off.
B
C
C
A
A
D
A
Yeah
anyway,
so
documentation
in
markdown
push
it
to
sharepoint,
so
basically
create
sharepoint
pages
from
the
documentation
which
is
in
markdown
formats,
and
that's
actually
really
cool
and
it
works
with
a
partnership
with
cli.
Doesn't
it
microsoft
really
so
all
right,
don
kirkman
had
a
blog
post
related
on
certified
microsoft.
365
developer
associates
so
basically
focusing
on
what
are
the
options?
How
do
you
prepare
what
is
being
measured?
A
Not
obviously
explaining
what
the
questions
are
as
such,
because
that's,
of
course
not
allowed
but
walking
through
on
this
process,
and
he
apparently
got
822,
that's
actually
pretty
cool
number,
which
is
a
path
that
is
a
pass.
Yes,
that's
the
most
important
thing,
absolutely
good
way
of
validating
your
skill
sets
for
microsoft.
365
development
is
the
certificates
and
that's
the
whole
point
of
that.
A
Building
pots
on
the
microsoft
themes
toolkit-
and
this
is
a
really
great
video,
so
17
minutes
just
starting
from
scratch
and
creating
the
microsoft
team
sport
in
the
team's
toolkit
deploying
that
talk
stocks
about
all
of
those
options
and
it's
a
really
really
great
job
as
well.
So
awesome,
stuff,
awesome,
awesome,
video
and
it
has
already
804
views.
So
in
a
few
days.
So
that's
actually
pretty
nice.
D
One
more
thing
like
about
those
videos:
they
they
also
have
subtitles
and
the
subtitles
they
get
translated,
also
with
the
help
of
the
community.
So
it's
something
you
can
contribute.
I
have
read
done
that
for
our
german
and
yeah
it
it.
You
learn
also
a
lot
from
watching
videos
and
translating
everything.
A
Absolutely
absolutely,
and
then
we
had
a
episode
142,
creating
teams
tabs
with
your
teams,
from
paulo
and
and
paulo
is
basically
working
to
the
different
ways
of
using
well
using
the
otms
v3,
which
is
rather
a
new
thing.
Victor
villain
is
leading
that
effort
and
then
how
to
get
started
on
using
that
so
really
cool
stuff
as
well.
Paulo
is
also
collecting
feedback
related
on
his
mustache
mustache,
and
I
know
that
he's
actually
collecting
feedback
related.
So
it's
a
good
thing
here
and
we
have.
A
So
I
think
I
know
that
he's
debating
on
well
should
he
keeps
on
doing
that
or
not
so.
Let
him
know
on
twitter
and
social
media
lori
and
strand
had
a
a
good
article,
a
simple
workflow,
to
create
a
2d
task
for
microsoft
teams,
messages
as
a
really
cool,
simple
way
of
doing
that,
so
tracking
them
the
tasks
for
yourself
using
the
power
automate
actions,
so
because
it's
actually
quite
simple
to
do
this
in
the
teams.
A
A
A
That's
true:
it
depends
on
when
you're
watching
the
video
or
listening
the
podcast.
You
never
know
so,
but
that's
happening,
and
I
I
think,
this
time
it's
more
aligned,
so
smaller
smaller
sessions,
more
kind
of
sneak
videos
and
kind
of
giving
and
generating
interest
rather
than
doing
90
minutes
breakouts,
which,
even
if,
when
we
were
meeting
people
in
the
conferences,
the
night
75-minute
breakout
started
to
be
painful.
Because
if
it's
a,
if
it's
a
boring
topic,
you
don't
want
to
sit
there
for
75
minutes.
B
C
D
Then-
and
you
have
one,
this
is
one
topic
like
in
the
conference
and
they
are
going
to
have
eight
eight
like
sessions
in
the
day
that
you
want
to
attend
as
an
attendee.
Yes,
you
know
like
staying
focused
is
impossible.
What
I
I
started
doing
with
my
sessions
is
try
to
to
have
like
a
maximum
of
30
minutes
session.
So
you
can,
you
know,
I
think
people,
especially
when
attending
from
home.
You
know,
then
you
get
emails.
D
A
I
think
we're
having
discussions
related
on
microsoft,
build
plans,
and
it
might
be
that
we're
heading
down
to
15
minutes,
because
then
there
are
snackable
videos
and
I'm
covering
topic
and
all
of
that
stuff,
but
to
be
defined
and
to
be
decided.
So
anyway,
I
think
every
single
organization
is
still
in
kind
of
this
progress
of
how
do
we
do
these
remote
events?
So,
just
as
an
example,
we
are
executing
a
dev
kitchen
related
on
viva
connections
this
week
and
invitation
only.
A
I
do
apologize
that
we
couldn't
invite
everybody
from
the
community
and
all
of
that
stuff,
but
this
is
a
early
preview
still
on
the
viva
connections,
but
on
that
one,
how
do
we
deliver?
Dev
kitchens
have
traditionally
been
like
three
days
in
redmond
in
auditorium
and
let's
build
stuff
together.
How
do
we
do
that
remotely?
It's
it's
a
really
interesting
dilemma.
A
So
now
we
have
two
two
hour
sessions
in
the
morning,
pacific
time
and
then
remote
work
and
all
of
that,
so
that
one
way
of
kind
of
reducing
the
allocation
there's
no
point
of
having
eight
hours
of
content
rather
remote
support
and
then
just
concentrate
on
the
main
topics,
but
even
two
hours
worth
of
content.
Yeah,
that's
a
lot,
but
we'll
see
how
it
goes,
we'll
see
how
it
goes
and
we'll
have
even
more
on
the
future.
A
There's
there's
gonna
be
obviously
where
viva
connections
is
the
big
thing
for
my
organization,
especially
the
viva
connections,
not
and
viva
topics,
so
we
will
have
dev
kitchens
dev
kitchen
shop
before
going
to
beta
beta
will
come
at
some
point
and
then
everybody
can
actually
get
access
on
things
so,
but
we
need
to
do
dev
kitchens.
Well,
this
comes
back
on
the
program
management
and
the
project
owner.
A
We
want
to
do
dev
kitchens
so
that
we
get
early
input
on
the
designs
before
we
push
it
out
more
properly
to
thousands
of
people,
because
whenever
there's
thousands
of
people
testing
there's
too
much
feedback,
potentially
so
having
a
100
people
now
remotely
or
150.
I
think
has
been
registered,
which
are
doing
stuff.
Then
we'll
collect
the
feedback,
we
know
what
we
need
to
adjust
and
then
we
do
again
more
public
betas
based
on
that
so
yeah.
D
It
makes
sense
like
to
get
people
involved
as
early
as
possible
to
collect
the
feedback
and
also
for
for
the
people
creating
solutions
based
on
on
top
of
microsoft,
channel
65
to
see
okay.
Do
I
need
to
change
my
product?
Do
I
need
to
consider
something
different?
Can
I
build
on
top
of
that?
Can
I
bring
a
value
with
my
solution?
I
mean
it
helps
us
as
well,
and
thank
you
for
for
inviting
us.
Well,
I
mean,
I
know,
like
it's
limited,
but
it's
good
to
have
someone
there.
A
A
B
B
A
Is
also
really
a
really
good
point,
especially
considering
the
viva
announcement,
which
we
had
because
a
lot
of
the
partners
and
customers,
especially
partners,
were
like
okay.
So
what
is
our
game
plan
in
here?
If
you
didn't
tell
about
the
extensibility
what's
happening
here?
That
was
a
lot
of
the
feedback
which
luckily
chef
deeper
and
a
few
others
then
jumped
on
it
and
we
shared
some
teasers.
A
The
thing
is,
we
can't
share
too
much
because
we're
still
pretty
early
on
this
journey
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
it's
it's
locked
until
we
share
more
openly
the
model.
So,
but
it's
going
to
be
based
on
sharepoint
framework
anyway,
so
and
sharepoint
framework
is
going
to
have
a
huge
role
in
the
microsoft
teams
related
only
by
extensibility,
and
not
just
the
viva
extensibility,
but
a
lot
of
other
investments
on
that
area,
which
is
not
that
big
of
a
surprise,
but
it
again
confuses
people
why.
A
D
Is
it's
very
good
to
validate
your
ideas,
even
if
you're
on
early
stage,
I
mean?
Actually,
this
is
a
very
good
time
to
validate
and
to
get
feedback
and
give
feedback,
give
you
information
and
maybe,
as
as
voldek
said,
you
know,
like
rethink,
maybe
the
way
how
you're
developing
that,
if
it's
a
good
time,
then
this
is
the
time.
For
my
point
of
view,
it's
beneficial
for
my
point
of
view
for
everyone
involved
in
this
project.
A
I
think
we
talked
about
this
one
in
the
past,
so
many
times
that
in
the
in
the
past
and
when
we
actually
do
have
a
lot
of
these
failures
as
well.
Whenever
we
were
shipping
a
product
in
every
single
three
years
as
a
microsoft,
as
an
example,
same
applies,
if
you
would
be
a
partner,
if
you
bet
on
something
and
you
don't
get
the
feedback
early
on,
and
then
you
invest
on
millions
of
millions
of
money
on
some
feature
and
then
nobody
actually
uses
that
and
you're
like
well
too
late.
A
It's
not
too
late,
it's
already
shipped,
and
now
we
need
to
rethink
the
following
version.
So,
unfortunately,
just
in
the
in
the
sharepoint
world,
I
still
remember
there
will
say
the
search,
driven
dot
com
sites
and
all
of
that
stuff,
huge
investment
and
pretty
much
nobody
used
it
as
an
example.
So.
A
But
it's
it's!
It's
it's
a
really
good.
Luckily,
the
whole
industry
is
heading
more
and
more
the
direction
where
we
do
experiments.
We
do
testing
early
on
we
as
a
microsoft.
We
enable
things
in
microsoft,
365
for
10
of
users
first
and
then,
when
they
start.
If
they
start
complaining,
then
we
cancel
it
back.
So.
B
B
Things
that
you
need
to
then
print
on
the
master
disk
and
then
burn
every
like
millions
of
volumes
of
stuff
that
are
shipped
and
you
can
never
update
like
that
is
gone
right
right,
yeah
yeah,
so
I
mean
I.
I
think
that
also
allows
us
to
work
faster.
Short-Term
feedback
get
feedback
early
on,
but
it
also
requires
us
to
be
aware
that
that
is
an
option
that
we
should
do
it.
We
must
do
it
every
single
time.
There
is
a
new
feature.
We
need
to
do
that.
A
D
Yeah
we
are,
I
know
I'm
going
to
talk
about
that
here.
We
have
faced
the
niche
with
the
microsoft
graph
api
for
creating
teams
and
we
are
working
with
microsoft
and
getting
that
fixed.
So
this
is
the
topic
for
me
this
week,
along
with
getting
ready
for
webinars
about
the
ai
employee
experience
next
month,
we're
going
I'm
going
to
have
three
of
them
so
preparing
material
learning
more
about
also
microsoft,
eva
and
but
yeah,
like
the
the
focus
currently
is
about
that
microsoft.
Api
issue,
but
we're
moving
forward.
A
B
Sir,
all
right
so
I'm
curious
to
see
what
you
have
cooked
for
us
and
yeah.
What
what
are
the
options
abilities
because
also
on
our
hand,
in
my
team,
it's
important
for
us
to
know
as
early
as
we
can
to
help
them
phrase
again
messaging
help
you
with
docs
help
you
with
any
thing
you
might
need
to
get
features
out
there
help
developers
you
use
them
and
also
help
everybody
else
to
understand.
What
is
the
value
of
that
like?
Why
would
their
care
right
so
going
also
beyond
death?
B
Maybe
a
level
up
to
call
the
tactical
architects
or
whoever
understand
technology,
to
understand,
not
only
that
you
can
build,
but
also,
why
would
you
care
right?
So
that
is
why
we
try
to
get
engaged
as
early
on
as
we
can
other
than
that,
like
we
have
quite
some
some
new
pr's
for
cli
for
microsoft,
365.
B
C
B
Benefits
out
of
it,
it's
a
win,
it's
a
win-win
for
everyone
right,
so
we
try
to
support
him
as
much
as
we
can
with
that
other
than
that.
I'm
planning
some
time
this
week
to
experiment
with
development
on
teams
like
I
am
no
longer
building
stuff
for
customers,
so
to
me
now
to
stay
in
touch
with
the
market
and
our
tooling
and
whatever
we
have
to
offer.
I
need
to
carve
out
time
explicitly
to
basically
okay
this
week,
I'm
going
to
spend
some
time
how
about
I
actually
build
an
app
or
a
bot.
D
Want
one
feedback
to
you
about
that:
I
spent
considerable
amount
of
time
on
microsoft,
talks
and
your
articles.
They
are
very
good,
very
well
written,
it's
very
easy
to
understand
the
content
and
you
you
don't
do
a
lot
of
I
mean
I
I
haven't
seen
any
typo
yet
or
nothing
where
the
format
isn't
good,
so
you
are
doing
a
very
good
job
from
a
community
member
point
of
view
and
a
technical
writer.
So
thank
you.
A
Cool
quickly,
on
my
side,
obviously
the
definition
is
1.12
sharepoint
framework
1.12
is
intended
to
go,
live
pretty
soon.
We
actually,
unfortunately
found
a
one
server
side
issue
and
then
server
side
issues
are
always
problematic,
because
it's
not
about
shipping
a
new
client-side
packages.
We
need
to
ship
stuff,
server-side
and
then
virtually
did
roll
out
that
worldwide,
before
the
issue
is
being
resolved.
So
now
we're
having
a
internal
discussion
that
do
we
delay
do
we.
B
A
Exactly
exactly
so,
we'll
find
the
right
place,
but
the
dev
kitchen
absolutely
we're
using
1.13
already
on
that
one.
But
then
1.12
is
the
the
sharepoint
framework
version
which
is
coming
faster
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
improvements
coming.
So
we
just
need
to
get
everything
documented
that
out.
So
that's
always
the
challenge,
but
anyway
that's
pretty
much
it
from
we're
on.
B
A
It
depends
tuesday,
tuesday.
We
don't
want
to
ship
it
until
we're
100
sure
that
stuff
works
properly.
That's
the
thing,
so
that's
good
anyway!
So
thank
you.
Turbos
joining
us
today.
I
think
we're
hitting
the
one
hour
marker
as
well
on
the
recording
again,
which
could
always
try
to
reduce
it,
but
we
can't
so
all
good
great
discussion
and
and
all
the
best
for
the
new
role
and
and
for
the
product
as
well.
So.