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In this installment of the weekly discussion revolving around the latest news and topics on Microsoft 365, host – Vesa Juvonen (Microsoft) | @vesajuvonen and Waldek Mastykarz (Microsoft) | @waldekm are joined by Paris, France-based Principal Product Manager - David Rousset (Microsoft) | @davrous
The discussion focused on development in early years, 23 years of change at Microsoft, managing teams across time zones, experience releasing an open-source product – Babalyon.js, work on Teams Toolkit and on prepping for Build.
Microsoft and PnP Community delivered 14 articles and videos in the last week! This session was recorded on Friday, April 28, 2023.
Agenda items
00:00 – Intro
01:14 – Interview
42:18 – Weekly Articles
56:16 – Closing
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A
A
Weekly
episode
208,
it
is
28th
of
April
and
we
are
recording
this
on
Friday,
typically
on
Monday,
actually
now,
in
this
case
again
on
Friday,
because
next
week
is
the
Microsoft
series
is
the
five
conference
so
when
you're
watching
this,
if
you're
watching
this
on
the
day
when
this
is
going
to
release
or
listening,
it's
Las
Vegas.
Actually
the
keynote
is
happening
today
when
this
is
getting
released.
We
just
did
with
some
really
cool
new
announcements
from
Microsoft
365,
I've,
Got
Friends.
A
A
B
Yes
from
devdiff,
he
is
one
of
the
PMS
on
teams
toolkit
and
we
talked
to
him
about
his
were
a
journey
where
he
came
from
what
he
used
to
do
in
the
past.
Did
you
know
that
he
used
to
code
on
Atari?
Well,
we
he
did
it.
So
we
talked
about
many
many
cool
things
where
he
came.
Where
he's
what
he's
working
on
now
and
where
you'll
be
able
to
see
him
in
the
next
few
weeks,
so
without
further
Ado,
how
about
we
jump
to
the
interview?
Let's
do
that.
A
Awesome
excellent
thank
you,
David
for
joining
us
on
the
PMP
weekly,
really
cool,
to
have
you
on
the
show
before
we
started
recording.
Actually
there
was
a
lot
of,
let's
say,
shared
experience.
This
was
related
on
related
on
past,
but
but
let's
obviously,
let's
start
with
the
basics.
Who
are
you
and
and
what
do
you
do
for
living?
Okay,.
C
So
I'm
David
I'm,
based
in
France
in
the
south
of
Paris
I'm,
all
Microsoft
team,
meaning
that
I've
been
working
for
Microsoft
for
23
years,
so
yeah
yeah
I'm,
a
baby
Microsoft
T2
like
no
I,
start
to
look
old.
So
maybe
you
can
see
that
I've
been
working
in
this
industry
for
a
long
time
and
today
I
am
a
PM
program
manager
or
product
earlier.
Even
there
we
change
the
title.
I
am
in
charge
of
the
end-to-end
developer.
C
A
A
C
A
complete
random
I
know
some
of
my
friends
when
I
started.
You
know
it
was
in
2000.
There
were
a
huge
Fanboy
of
Microsoft.
It
wasn't
my
case
because
I've
never
been
a
fanboy
of
technology.
For
me,
like
you
know,
I've
I've
been
your
developer
since
and
very
new
and
I
started
writing
Basics
at
Aids
on
the
computer
of
my
father.
It
was
a
nursery
800
XL,
you
know
a
very
old
computer
and
for
me,
being
a
developer.
C
C
She's,
like
Microsoft
actions,
five
five
like
this
was
a
nightmare
at
that
time
to
deploy
and
maintain
nobody
knew
about
that.
Like
you
said,
how
did
you
manage
to
do
to
convince
the
company
to
do
that?
Well
because
it
turned
out,
it
was
the
best
solution
in
our
case
like
okay,
so
we
have
a
program
to
our
young
people.
You
should
come
and
and
I
started
I
started.
You
know
as
a
support
engineer.
B
C
And
I
did
that
for
seven
years,
I
really
enjoy
it,
because
at
that
time
you
were
able
to
do
to
support
customers,
but
also
we
were
writing
dogs,
because
when
we
you
know
when
everybody
had
the
same
issue,
we
were
writing
kind
of
an
article
or
documentation.
So
we
were
allowed
to
have
half
of
our
time
supporting
customers
and
half
of
the
time.
Writing
documentation,
writing
sample
codes.
C
C
C
C
So
not
floppy
disk,
almost
almost
a
floppy
disk
and
and
then
seven
years
I
was
support
engineers.
Then
I
started
to
weld
isvs
as
a
consultant
more
or
less
for
a
couple
of
months
years.
I
can't
remember
my
dream
was
to
become
what
was
named
evangelist,
which
is
now
named
Marlisa
Cloud
developer
advocate,
so
that
was
the
first
evangelist
on
cloud
I.
Remember
my
post
told
me
like
you're,
going
to
be
in
evangelist
on
cloud
and
I
told
him
like.
But
what
is
cloud
he
told
me?
B
B
C
C
And
as
a
developer,
I
love
that
you
know
one
of
my
friend
came
back
as
it
was
named
Bill
at
the
time
it
was
named,
a
PDC
I
guess
you
know
yeah
any
and
he
went
there.
I
think
it
was
in
Los
Angeles
or
something
like
that
and
it
was
Windows
Azure
and
SQL
Azure
also,
and
it
was
platform
as
a
service
and,
like
you
said
whether
it
was
way
ahead
of
its
time
because
as
a
devil
was
like
man,
this
is
a
future
I.
C
C
I've
done
a
little
bit
of
sharepoints
I've
always
been
curious
about
technology,
meaning
that
I've
done
WPF
client
side
I've
done
a
little
bit
of
backend
asp.net,
now
I'm,
almost
full
JavaScript
and
I've
joined
Corp
eight
years
ago
as
a
remote
employee.
So
we
have
a
specific
terms
at
Microsoft,
I'm
I'm,
considered
as
a
rge
mini
camera,
remote
guest,
employee,
meaning
that
I've
got
a
French
contract
in
my
case,
but
my
manager
is
in
the
US.
C
B
C
Yes,
exactly
otherwise
someone
asked
to
suffer
and
then
you
know,
and
it
should
be
like
kind
of
a
rotation.
So
today
it
will
be.
You
know,
U.S,
China
and
you're
right.
There's
that
you
know
my
mornings
are
cold
with
Asia,
basically,
and
my
Knights
are
for
for
with
the
US
and
my
sometime
my
morning,
routes
with
some
cool
Europeans
still
around,
like
you.
B
Like
we
have
a
team
that
spans
from
Hawaii
to
Australia,
so
I'm,
adding
everybody
on
a
call
is
just
impossible
unless
somebody
pulls
indeed
the
Short
Straw
yeah
but
yeah.
It's
exactly
that
taking
turns
like
who's
going
to
have
it
late
in
the
night,
because
there's
there's
just
physically
no
other
way.
Now.
A
Related
on
actually
that
one
I
still
want
to
get
back
on
on
a
few
historical
questions,
but
related
on
that
particular
Point.
How
do
you
David
actually
deal
with
that
time
zone
and
the
working
hours
is
different
than
everything
else?
Is
that
a
is,
of
course,
the
the
company
isn't
directly
requiring
you
to
do
outside
of
office
tower
work,
but
you
do
and
then
that's
kind
of
how
do
you
deal
with
that
complexity
of
of
time
zones
and
working.
C
No,
it's
I
guess
you
need
to
be
I
have
often
discussion
with
my
manager.
Pierce
Pierce
is
really
great.
My
manager
because
he
is
himself
remote,
is
based
in
Utah,
so
he's
in
the
US,
it's
I
would
say
it's
easier
to
be
remote
in
the
US,
because
even
for
American
people,
if
you're
not
at
Seattle
or
Redman
itself,
you're
a
remote,
but
if
you're
in
the
US
like
on
the
East
Coast,
you
only
have
three
hours
times
on
difference
and
they
still.
C
B
C
For
the
warning
and
and
to
manage
that,
you
need
to
be
super
careful
in
your
in
your
way
to
manage
your
adjuna,
meaning
that
I
I
had
some
monetary.
Also,
you
know
in
my
organization
I
asked
to
some
of
my
mother.
How
do
you
deal
with
it
and
the
the
the
main
way
to
do?
It
is
like,
for
instance,
let's
dedicate
a
specific
day
in
the
week
for
a
specific
time
zone.
So
you
know
that
you're
not
used
to
get
in
sync
with
people
in
China,
for
instance.
C
So
you
know
you
will
have
to
wake
up
earlier.
You
know
to
do
call
with
them,
but
it
means
I,
don't
go
to
don't
continue
your
day
up
to
you
know
with
the
US.
You
know,
because
of
the
way
you
will
be
exhausted,
so
I'm
not
following
completely
this
pattern
because
we
have
built
to
organize.
So
we
need
to
discuss
a
lot
and
thanks
for
listening
with
teams,
we
have
a
lot
of
async
communication,
which
is
super
helpful.
C
So
we
are
creating
a
lot
of
group
chat
on
specific
topics
and
we
are
trying
to
avoid
that.
All
cars
like
this
famous
video
call
when
we
all
need
to
be
in
the
same
room.
You
know
it's
great:
to
connect
people
I,
guess
we
need
to
do
that
because
you
know
and
I
hope
I
will
be
able
to
see
my
team
physically
in
the
real
world
soon.
C
But
this
is
the
way
to
manage
it
and
then
find
some
time
in
in
your
day
to
to
rest.
So
it's
difficult
because
you're
still
thinking
about
like
oh
I,
need
to
to
provide
this
document,
but
then
I'm
working,
you
know
so
I'm
fortunate
enough
to
have
a
house
and
I've
kind
of
I
know
you
have
a
beautiful
place
too
there's,
as
you
can
see,
that
one
on
social
networks
and
then
I'm
working
outside,
because
if
otherwise,
you
can
always
be
in
your
house
and
got
the
thing
that
you're
working
or
full-time.
C
So
it's
really
yeah
yeah.
But
you
need
to
fight
against
yourself.
In
my
case,
I
am
I
love
what
I'm
doing
like.
If
it
would
would
be
a
boring
job
I
guess
it
would
be
easier
to
say,
like
I'm
not
going
to
work
like
full
time.
You
know
I'm
going
to
stop
in
our
is
we
don't
have
the
feeling
to
to
to
Really
Work
in
in
Awareness.
We
are
really
lucky,
but
our
brand
and
our
body
are
could
suffer
from
it.
So
you
need
to
pay
attention
to
that.
A
Okay,
yeah,
that's
actually
really
cool
so
and
I,
and
it's
it's
an
interesting.
So
one
of
the
things
what
I've
thought
about
many
times,
especially
when
you're
traveling,
the
US
and
Redmond?
It's
it's
a
weird
thing
as
to
use
the
work
a
bit
later
as
well.
You
know
the
the
evenings
are
for
working
time,
so
being
productive
and
there's
meetings
when
you're
in
Richmond
the
evenings
are
silent
and
it's
it's
a
magical
thing,
because
the
the
world
kind
of
are
in
the
execution
time
zones.
A
The
world
ends
in
PST
yeah
so,
and
that
means
that
the
evening
of
PST
is
basically
free
and
I
I
think
I
understand
how
is
still
forward.
I,
don't
care
so
at
the
moment,
as
an
example
is,
is
in
a
bit
different
forward,
but
it's
there's
this
kind
of
a
five
to
six
hours
between
6
p.m.
Pacific
time
before
the
China
starts
actually
doing
things,
and
you
actually
see
that
in
email.
You
see
that
in
the
the
messaging
actions.
C
It
gives
us
right,
that's
fine
and
another
way
to
manage.
Also
this
remote
work
and
we
have
budget
constraints
now,
but
I
was
used.
You
know
when
I
I've
been
working
in
the
windows
organization
too,
before
joining
the
developer
Division
and
at
that
time
I
was
about
to
travel
for
time
per
year.
For
one
to
two
weeks
like
this
is
something
like
people
cannot
even
imagine
like
some
stuff
cannot
be
sold
over
email
or
or
virtual
meetings
for
whatever
reason,
because
we
are
human,
I
guess
and
then
we're
super
convenient.
C
B
Yeah
I
think
I
I
think
you
mentioned,
or
to
me
at
least
like
that
means
building
trust,
really
building
a
relationship.
It's
so
much
easier
to
do
in
person
when
you
get
when
you
are
in
person
together
for
a
period
of
time.
Well,
basically,
like
you
know,
you
get
to
work,
but
then
also
have
have
a
dinner
share.
A
drink
do
something
exactly
like
that
makes
it
so
much
easier
to
bond
as
doing
this
like
bonding
on
camera
is
so
much
more
difficult
and
it
is
not
impossible.
B
B
Like
if
you
are
it
are
in
the
office
well,
at
some
point
you
will
need
food.
You
will
want
to
have
lunch,
so
it's
so
much
easier.
It's
like
hey
you're,
going
for
lunch,
I'm
going
for
lunch.
How
about
we
get
together
and
just
chat
about
stuff,
whereas
now
it
has
to
be
a
meeting
on
on
the
calendar
which
is
like
and
then
I
like
it's
your
evening
morning
in
the
U.S.
So
like
do
you
bring
beer
or
wine
if
you
drink
or
not
like,
and
then
they
bring
milk
or
water
like?
B
A
B
A
C
C
Back
I
started,
big
big
I
suppose
was
a
CEO,
you
know.
Yes,
he
was
a
CEO
like
he
changed
happily
quickly
to
Steve.
Belmar
Stephen
was
interesting
because
he
wasn't
a
technical
guy
and
a
lot
of
people.
A
lot
of
technical
people
didn't
like
him
because
of
that
because
it
was
a
pure
sales
guy,
but
still
he
managed
to
really
push.
You
know
the
revenue
of
Microsoft
and
not
the
stock.
You
know
you
know.
I
was
supposed
to
become
a
millionaire
when
I
joined,
Microsoft
episode,
because.
C
Telling
me
that-
and
it
didn't
happen
for
whatever
reason
you
know
but
still
like,
we
are
super
a
fortunate
to
work
for
Microsoft
and
then
Steve
Balmer
was
a
great
leader,
still
I
I.
You
know
when
I
was
in
the
same
room
as
him.
So
first
he
had
been
very
loud,
very
strong
voice.
He
was
super
energetic.
You
know,
yeah.
C
But
the
company
like
it
was
all
about
like
a
vertical
stack.
You
know
when
I
was
doing
pre-sales,
you
know
or
evangelism
like
I
would
I
was
pitching
like
dotnet
sp.net,
SQL
checkpoints.
You
know
Internet
Explorer
on
the
top
Windows
it
was
like
yeah.
If
you
go
to
Microsoft,
you
buy,
you
buy
the
full
stack
and
then
we
were
challenged.
You
know
by
the
some
Linux
Stacks,
like
your
PHP,
we
were
naming
like
lumps.
C
You
know,
Linux
Apache,
you
know
a
bicycle,
PHP
and
and
I
started
to
be
more
interesting
into
the
those.
You
know
this
weird
world
of
open
source
communities,
and
this
is
really
open.
Source
and
Satya
basically
has
really
changed
the
game,
because
when
it
started
to
take
care
of
the
cloud
you
know
initiative
at
Microsoft,
it
was
much
more
open,
meaning
that
we
we
try
also
with
the
windows
phone
that
was
there.
C
And
I
really
love
the
Windows
phone,
you
know
ux,
but
like
the
apps
and
the
store
it
was
so
difficult
to
to
compete
with,
with
our
competitor
like
and
then
release.
The
switch
was
with
Steve,
with
between
steel,
Balmer
and
Satya,
and
Satya
was
a
really
great
leader,
but
at
the
the
right
vision
for
Microsoft,
and
we
have
really
seen
that
in
the
transformation
of
Microsoft
regarding
the
direction,
but
also
the
way
to
structure.
Some
of
the
teams,
like
you
know,
asking
us
to
collaborate
more
because
it
was
really
like
silos.
C
I
think
we
still
need
to
have
work
to
be
done
at
Microsoft
but
like
compared
to
where
I'm
coming
from,
like
the
difference
is
huge.
Really
huge
and
open
source
at
the
beginning
was
just
a
specific
Arc.
Only
a
specific
group
of
people
were
allowed
to
work
on
open
source
sure,
and
we-
and
this
is
where
we
started
with
a
friend
of
mine-
maybe
we'll
talk
about
that.
You
know
a
3D
engine
we've
been
building.
C
We
wanted
to
build
that
on
your
spare
time,
so
we
want
it
to
be
open
source
and
we
were
a
little
bit
in
trouble
at
that
time
because
it
wasn't
the
Microsoft
today,
where
I
wouldn't
say
you
are
allowed
to
do
whatever
you
like.
You
know
you
still
have
to
be
careful
when
you
build
open
source
at
Microsoft,
but
like
at
that
time,
open
source
was
seen
as
a
completely
evil
Miko
like
yeah,
going
to
kill
Microsoft
with
your
product
like
come
on.
We
are
two
Engineers.
If
we're
killing.
C
Maybe
I
should
so
Microsoft
that
change
a
lot
and
we
grow
a
lot.
We
are
in
a
number
of
employees
when
I
was
working
at
Microsoft
France
we
were
700,
which
was
so
I
was
able
to
know
most
of
the
people
and
then
now
it's
really
huge
company.
It's
very
difficult
to
know
everybody
and
as
I
was
in
evangelist.
A
The
classic
story
is
about
iPhones
and
and
all
of
that
that-
and
it
was
a
real
thing-
if
you
actually
use
an
iPhone,
you
could
not
get
to
the
company
emails
or
anything,
because
it
was
seen
such
a
competitor
for
Windows
Phone
yeah,
and
that
was
the
polymer
time
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
we
flipped
the
whole
thing,
and
we
basically
say
you
choose
whatever
you
choose
we'll
be
there.
Yeah.
C
That
it
was
an
amazing
transformation
for
sure
and
much
smarter
to
my
point
of
view.
I
can
understand
when
you
need
to
protect
your
Market
sometime.
You
know,
but
in
this
case
it
was
counterproductive
and
and
Satya
you
know,
and
then
it
was
the
opposite.
My
brother
is
a
sales
guy
at
Microsoft,
but
I
know
some
sales
people
is
working
with
was
like.
We
don't
understand
anymore.
This
guy,
like
it
was
easier
to
understand.
A
C
B
A
It's
it's
in
Microsoft,
this
part
of
the
conversation,
obviously
for
those
who
do
not
know
that
we're
not
getting
paid
only
as
a
salary,
we
do
get
paid
with
access
stocks
as
well,
and
then
that
trickles
down
gradually
as
part
of
your
career.
So
so
it's
it's
part
of
the
the
deal.
So
anyway,
you
you
actually
mentioned,
there's
something
related
on
the
open
source
and
a
small
project
which
you
started
at
some
point,
which
has
grown
to
be
something
a
pretty
magical.
A
B
C
No,
no
on
on
directly
on
GitHub
I
guess!
Yes,
we
were
it,
isn't
that
old,
right,
2013,
I'm,
not
sure
yes,
I
I,
don't
think
it
was
called
blacks.
Codplex
was
David
cateruism,
my
best
friend
today
we
started
working
at
Microsoft.
He
was
driving
a
company
and
he's
been
writing
3D
engine
for
ages.
You
know
on
Amiga
he
was
part
of
the
demo
scene
and
I
know
you
guys.
You
know
in
your
Nordic
country
were
the
best
one
at
that
time.
C
Building
emails,
so
I
also
love
developer
coming
from
your
countries
and
our
host
part
also
a
little
bit
of
the
demo
symbol
that
was
more
composing
music
on
my
side
and
writing
a
little
bit
of
code
and
immediately
we
know
we
we
are
discussing
this
like
Silverlight.
Five
was
a
last
version
and
that's
3D
support
and
it
just
joined
the
companion.
I
was
like
oh
I.
C
Obviously,
Silverlight
wasn't
Universal
successful,
we
were
hoping
so
and
then
we
switched
to
JavaScript,
but
to
do
that
in
JavaScript
we
needed
webgl
and
Internet.
Explorer
didn't
have
a
webgl
so
and
it
was
tricky
to
release
an
open
source
engine
just
targeting
comma
Firefox.
At
that
time,
trust
me
like
yes,
so
we
was
there
Chrome
already
then
yeah.
It
was
yeah
combos
2000.
C
So
during
we
we
Earth
leaks.
Sometimes
we
are,
you
know
we
are
discovering
stuff
from
Microsoft
science
to
leaks.
Ie
is
about
to
support
webgl,
and
my
friend
David
told
me
like
I'm,
going
to
spend
all
the
weekend
coding
to
cut
it
from
for
home,
costing
finger.
I
will
work
for
the
next
version
of
a
so
he's
been
building
the
engine
he
showed
me.
The
engine
was
like
in
one
weekend.
We
were
able
to
do
that.
This
is
insane
because
he
and
I
tell
him.
C
And
then
I
started
to
help
him
on
building
some
of
the
feature
of
the
engine.
So
you
know
thinking
also
about
some
additional
tooling
to
help
the
developer
and
really
the
the
vision
I
told
him
like
it
should
be
easy
to
be
used
by
people
stupid.
Like
me,
like
really
I
was
like
I'm,
not
a
huge,
really
gurus
and
for
me,
3D
was
about
shaders
complex
vocabulary.
Yeah
I
I
felt
I
was
you
know
out
of
this
game?
It
was
too
complex
for
me.
C
So
I
want
the
people
to
really
have
the
feeling
that
they
can
join
the
party
too.
So
I
will
act
as
a
monkey,
meaning
the
way
we're
going
to
shape
the
apis
and
the
the
engine
should
be
also
powerful,
because
we
still
need
to
compete
with
other
people,
but
it's
easy
to
use.
So
this
was
what
we
did
and
then
we
weren't
we
weren't
invited.
You
know
at
web
conferences
because
it
was
I
and
Windows
PC.
C
C
We
are
not
interested
and
we
were
invited
on
stage
and
we
were
the
only
one
to
have
a
Windows,
because
you
mentioned
the
m
word:
yeah
yeah,
exactly
mm
dollar,
and
then
we
were
on
stage
you
know
and
and
with
ie
and
windows,
and
everybody
were
making
love
for
us.
But
at
the
same
time,
oh
this
product
looks
cool
and
from
time
to
time
we
started
to
be
identified
by
UB
stuff
Ubisoft.
C
C
Some
people
started
to
contact
us
because
they
discovered
that
they
wanted
to
use
Babylon
just
for
Microsoft
products.
But
if
I
did
not
know
it
was
built
by
Microsoft
employee,
and
so
they
started
to
use
it.
And
now
it's
used
in
in
teams
like
I.
Don't
know
if
you
know
that,
but
if
I'm
doing
that
this
is
not
the
most
impressive,
you
know
stuff
of
yes
exactly
of
of
of
teams,
but
it
used
Babylon.
Yes,
wow.
B
C
It's
supposed
to
be
a
3D
engine,
so
it's
used
also
on
Bing
Maps.
It's
used,
you
know
because
of
the
3D,
you
know
presentation
you
have
in
SharePoint,
so
SharePoint
spaces.
This
is
my
last
big
contribution
to
Babylon.
Was
the
VR
support
so
being
used
in
SharePoint
spaces?
I.
Remember,
like
David
told
me
like.
Oh
the
sharpened
people
would
like
to
discuss
with
you
about
your
VR
feature
and
for
me
was
like
sharpened.
Yes,
like
you
know
the
stuff
with.
C
C
And
it's
a
lot:
they
want
to
have
a
3D
and
we've
been
working,
I've
been
working
with
them
already
report.
You
know
exactly
exactly
exactly,
and
today
we
have
a
team
of
at
least
15
people
working
for
David
Morales,
maintaining
because
it's
being
used
in
many
places
at
Microsoft
PowerPoints.
You
know
when
you
have
3D
models
and
you
view
powerpoint
online.
It's
used
Babylon
GS,
for
instance,
wow,
so
yeah.
It's.
C
From
learning
open
source-
and
we
were
you
know-
we
were
hoping-
people
could
help
us
as
open
source
and
open
source.
We
discovered
it
was
a
nightmare.
We
were
shipping
code
for
free
and
people
were
super
aggressive,
meaning
like
oh,
this
doesn't
work
like
what
doesn't
work.
You
know
what
doesn't
work?
No
I,
don't
know
you
need
to
help
me
like,
be
there,
because
I
don't
have
time
to
to
build
a
ripple,
and
can
you
read
the
source
code
to
help
us?
C
No
I,
don't
have
time
to
read
the
shortcut
and
you
know
I'm,
building
a
business
on
top
of
your
and
like
and
I
was
like,
and
this
happened
for
like
many
months
until
you
know,
and
we
we
really
started
to
lose
face
in
humanity
with
David.
We
said,
like
you
know,
we're
going
to
beat
that
just
for
ourselves
and
we
don't
care
about
others
and
then
magically.
Some
people
started
to
help
us
in
the
Progressive
Way.
C
Some
people
say
like
I'm,
not
good
enough
to
contribute
to
the
source
card,
but
I
like
to
help
you
to
improve
your
documentation.
Yes,
to
improve
your
samples,
you
know
to
manage
some
of
your
community
and
we
started
to
say
like.
Oh,
yes,
please,
because
we
don't
have
time
to
answer
to
all
messages
and
we
started
to
build
tool
to
manage
that
to
have
a
firm
and
then
at
the
end
we
had
core
contributors.
People
coming
from
you
know
the
3D
world
that
started
to
contribute
like,
but
the
message
I'm
going
to
send
to
people.
A
Is
the
right
time,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah
and
I
I
love
the
fact
that
that's
a
classical
thing
for
the
open
source
stuff
what
we've
been
doing,
and
while
this
is
well
aware
of
this,
where
where
people
don't
know,
you
need
to
help
me
I'm
building
business
on
top
of
your,
but
it's
like
no,
but
but
can
you
can
you
elaborate?
No,
no.
You
need
to
come.
C
C
B
A
It's
actually,
there
is
an
open
source
word
for
that
now
before
we
close
up
and
an
awesome
discussion
and
I
love
the
historical
points
and,
of
course,
the
learnings
related
on
open
source,
and
all
of
that,
you
are
you
coming
back
on.
What
you
do
right
now
is
that
you're,
a
principal
product
manager
in
the
Microsoft
teams
toolkit
what
would
be
the
the
what
what's
like,
why
Microsoft
teams
toolkit
and
what
would
be
the
call
to
action
related
on
that.
C
Well,
the
the
toolkit
is
really
a
tool
to
boost
the
productivity
of
people
that
wants
to
build
the
apps
for
Microsoft
teams.
So
for
me,
the
way
I
see
that
and
the
way
I'm
trying
also
to
push
for
the
future
version,
is
to
have
kind
of
two
paths.
One
would
be
a
learning
path
like
because
the
teams
platform
is
really
rich.
You
know
it's
really
interesting,
but
it's
not
always
that
easy
to
understand
when,
for
example,
I
was
coming
from
a
web
background
web
developer
background
and
not
everything
was
obvious.
C
You
know
how
to
integrate.
You
know
my
app
into
teams,
so
the
teams
toolkit
provide
a
lot
of
samples
to
show
you
like,
okay,
to
to
try
to
inspire
you
in
a
way
on
where
you
could.
You
know,
put
your
your
application
logic,
data
and
the
various
extensibility
area
and
the
other
one
is
using
tell
place
this
time
to
start
from
scratch
with
more
or
less
opinionated.
You
also
a
solution
using
react
or
300
stuff
like
that,
and
then
on.
On
top
of
this,
you
know
ID,
like
it's
a
developer
tool.
C
We
have
also
additional
tool
to
help
you
deploy
your
app
in
an
easy
way
register
yeah,
because
this
is
also
something
that
could
be
complex
for
for
people
starting
from
scratch.
So
we
try
to
managing
that
and
the
new
version
that
we
are
going
to
ship
for
Bill,
like
it's
already
in
clearly
State
the
V5
we've
been
doing
a
huge
amount
of
work
to
listen
from
you
from
the
community
on
what
we
need
to
improve
so
far.
C
A
lot
of
people
are
really
really
satisfied
with
that,
because
it's
strictly
some
time
to
Target
beginners,
but
also
people
like
are
used
to
use
a
platform.
They
are
looking
for
something
else.
So
this
is
really
the
the
stuff
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
make
the
life
of
developer
building
for
the
teams
platform,
but,
unfortunately,
also
you
know
now
you
can
deploy
in
Outlook
at
fish.com,
like
using
SharePoint,
also
as
as
an
entry
points
really
making
the
life
of
people
easy
and
to
build
quality.
Apps
high
up
in
in
teams
yeah
cool
there.
A
Is
I
think
as
part
of
the
the
quarterly
results
we
were
public
assigned,
The
Test,
300
million
users
in
the
in
the
Microsoft
team,
so
it
is
a
big
big
audience
for
integrating
your
application
into
and
and
making
sure
that
people
are
aware
of
the
applications.
Whatever
you
have
you,
of
course,
if
you
are
a
sales
provider,
whoever
is
listening
this
as
an
isv.
It
doesn't
mean
that
you
need
to
rebuild
your
application.
It's
just
surfacing
your
application
in
the
right
locations
in
teams
in
the
in
the
context
of
work,
which.
C
Is
something
I
would
like
to
add?
On
top
of
that,
we
discussed
a
little
bit
about
phones
like
Windows
phone
iPhone
Android.
We
know
what
complex
it
was
to
deploy
on
all
the
stores.
If
you
ship,
you
know
on
the
teams
platform,
and
we
are
we're
going
to
try
to
improve
a
lot
of
the
mobile
developer
experience.
We
still
work
to
be
done
there.
C
B
And
also
the
fact
that
you
bring
your
app
where
people
already
are
so
they,
you
know
like
there's
not
like
fiddling
with
bookmarks
or
policies,
to
push
link
to
folks
or
like
how
do
I
find
this
app.
I
know
that
we
can.
We
can
book
a
travel,
but
where
is
this
app
like
what
is
it's
AKA,
Ms
link
and
Microsoft
internally
or
where
do
I
get
it
like?
Where
where's
the
catalog
of
our
apps?
It's
on
teams
you
just
like
an
icon
to
press.
That's
it
yeah.
C
A
C
You
know
I
was
letting
people
to
move
into
a
3D
space
in
teams
you
know
so
I
will
I
will
explain
how
to
do
that,
and
also
we
are
trying
to
to
deliver
the
last
version
of
the
teams
toolkit
so
in
this,
at
the
same
time
like
working
out
with
engineering
trying
to
be
ready
and
also
for
you,
because
we
are
you're
helping
us
to
make
it
happen.
You
know
because
so
it's
really
like
working
with
a
lot
of
different
people.
C
Coming
back
to
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
which
was
like
managing
the
time
zone,
you
know
people
all
over
the
world
being
shared
like
you're,
not
forgetting
about
sharing
the
right
information,
because
sometimes
it
happens,
and
then
people
are
in
trouble
because
they
didn't
know
you
wanted
to
go
into
this
direction.
So
this
is
my
next
week's
I
have
to
end
of
May,
and
then
we
travel
to
renmen
for
to
be
there.
So
I
will
see
some
physical
people
like
it
would
be
an
amazing
experience.
C
The
event
right
exactly
I
will
be
there
and
I
know
some
of
my
friends
from
the
cloud
Advocates
will
do
a
lab.
I
I
try
to
go
there
also
to
discuss
with
people.
So
if
you
are
interested
in
in
the
toolkit,
yes,
let's
meet
there.
If
you're
going
to,
if
you're
fortunate
enough
to
travel
to
build,
I
would
love
to
meet
you
and
you
have
your
pain
or
your
joy.
A
That's
good
and
build
is
by
the
way
hybrid
setup,
so
those
who
cannot
travel
there
and
they
can
still
watch
the
Keynotes
and
the
sessions
and
all
of
that
remotely
as
well.
But,
of
course,
there's
some
special
in-person
experiences
there
now
I
guess:
that's
that's
it
for
this
this
setup.
Thank
you.
David
really,
really
cool
discussion.
I
wasn't
aware
of
actually,
if
all
of
your
historical
things,
I
I
knew
the
bubble
and
JS,
but
it's
it's.
A
It's
cool
to
know
a
bit
about
the
background
and
and
I
think
looking
back
on,
History
always
helps
us
to
define
the
future
as
well,
so
understanding
the
directions
and
and
where
we're
heading
it's
actually
that
that's
I
guess
that's
called
experience
right.
So
we
we
kind
of,
can
then
start
adjusting
where
we're
heading
in
the
future.
A
Excellent,
thank
you
David
one
more
time
joining
us
really
really
cool
discussion
and
a
bit
of
a
historical
recap
on
things
as
well,
but
I
guess
those
are
actually
they
did
like.
We
like
I,
said
during
the
interview
I
think
looking
back
on.
History
is
also
giving
us
the
direction
for
the
future,
and
then
we
can.
We
understand
more
about
the
things.
What
we're
doing
currently,
why
we're
doing
that
than
where
we're
heading.
So
it's
experience
so.
B
Yeah,
there's
also
an
interesting
thing.
Like
the
other
day,
I
started
to
wonder
what
is
the
age
when
you
start
looking
back
at
your
life
I
used
to
do
this
I
used
to
listen
to
that
I
used
to
play
this
game
I
used
to.
When
is
that?
Because,
as
a
kid
I
I
didn't
do
that
in
my
20s
I,
don't
think
I?
Did
it
too
so
much?
A
B
C
A
A
Good,
let's
jump
on
the
weekly
article,
so
let
me
clear
my
screen
and
start
with
a
Microsoft
teams:
blog
there's,
a
good
blog
post,
related
on.
What's
new
for
security
in
Microsoft
teams,
basically
looking
explaining
what
are
the
latest
security
considerations
and
features,
what
we
are
releasing
in
the
Microsoft
teams,
pretty
text,
Heavy
blog
post,
but
again
security
is
boring.
No
just
kidding,
it's
not
boring.
A
No,
but
it's
it's.
Actually.
These
are
really
good
referencing.
The
latest
articles
and
documentation
and
guidance
on
what
has
been
released
and
how
do
we
maximize
or
improve
the
security
day
to
day
within
the
teams?
Now
this
one
is
is
incredibly
cool,
so
this
is
one
of
the
the
biggest
announcements,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
for
a
while,
which
is
the
unified
domain
for
Microsoft,
365,
apps
and
services.
That's
pretty
cool,
isn't.
B
It
it
is
pretty
big
and
the
one
thing
I
wonder
that
isn't
clear
in
the
article
will
SharePoint
have
one
domain
in
there
too,
or
will
it
still
have
this
like
you
need
to
know
the
hosting,
because
that
makes
it
really
hard
to
navigate
you
like
to
everything
else.
It
didn't
go
just
Outlook
teams
to
do
teams
whatever
yep,
but.
A
A
That's
that's
an
interesting
because
it
is
like
it
like.
We
can
see
from
the
picture.
It's
contoso.cheapon.com
always
so
it's
there's
a
personalization
element
for
the
company
for
the
SharePoint
online,
but
that's
not
for
teams.
That's
not
for
other
other
things
as
well.
Now
a
SharePoint
was
one
of
the
first
of
offering
the
same
Microsoft
365.
So
introducing
this
kind
of
a
fundamental
change
in
the
URL
is
a
bit
tricky.
A
Absolutely
absolutely
this
is
whoever
is
driving
this.
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
That
is
really
really
cool,
so
consolidation
and
Clarity
is
always
good.
Now,
on
the
Microsoft
racist
threat
block,
we
also
had
a
cloud
policy
service
at
an
ability
to
apply
policies
to
everyone
and
talks
about
the
the
policy
settings
which
are
for
security
and
and
consolidation
and
labeling,
and
all
of
that
stuff.
So,
basically,
automation
governance,
which
is
coming
across
the
Microsoft
365.
B
And
it's
a
small
change.
I'll
bite
important
one
right.
So
when
we
publish
an
SDK-
and
these
are
so
so
this
is
for
the
dotnet
SDK.
We,
we
publish
it
to
a
nuget
feed
right
and
we
basically
change
like
in
the
past.
We
used
to
publish
it
as
Microsoft
underscore
graph,
underscore
client
underscore
and
underscore
and
tooling,
org
name,
which
is
like
wait.
What
so
we
change
that
to
Microsoft
graph
so
that
it's
easier
for
you
to
grow
because,
like
yeah
like
this
is
Microsoft
thing.
A
C
A
Though
I
I
do
like
pictures,
pictures
are
nice
I
like
pictures
and
I
like
pictures,
pictures
are
good.
So
what
do
we
learned
from
this
PMP
weekly,
basilex
pictures,
pictures
or
pictures
pictures?
Okay,
now
related
on
team
toolkit,
Gary
trainer
has
been
joining
on
us
on
the
weekly
Community
call
on
Tuesdays
8
A.M
Pacific
time
every
single
Tuesday
they
pass
every
time,
except
for
summer
and
holiday
season
in
in
the
the
December,
and
he's
been
doing
a
series
of
how
to
do
development
for
Microsoft
teams.
A
There's
five
videos
and
it's
now
completed
and
we
have
the
five
videos
published
in
a
playlist.
So
this
is
basically
a
blog
post
from
Gary
talking
about
those
five
different
videos
which
are
now
available,
really
really
cool
that
we
have
a
baseline,
getting
started
video
series
available
in
the
YouTube
as
well.
A
Now,
let's
swertres
Okay
it
has
a
blog
post
related
on
spfx
custom
left
navigation
for
SharePoint
online.
So
basically
he
he
is
really
really
one
of
the
most
active
contributors
in
our
open
source
areas
and
and
also
have
been
building
so
many
cool
things
and
and
helping
people
to
build
stuff
in
spfx.
So
some
thank
you
sudharson
on
on
all
of
that
and
once
again,
a
really
great
blog
post
talking
about
how
could
we
do
things
and
Implement
scenarios
and
and
and
with
code
examples
which
is
super
super
cool?
So
thank
you
for.
B
A
B
So
these
are
mapped
to
crawled
properties
that
are
the
mapped
to
fields,
and
the
reason
there
is
there
is
the
mapping
is
that
across
the
list,
you
might
have
things
like
a
title
in
one
person's
name
on
second
and
then
something
else,
and
you
can
map
them
all
three
different
fields
to
one
managed
property
in
search
to
make
it
easier
for
folks
to
search
and
there's.
Apparently,
a
new
set
of
managed
properties
that
that
you
can
use
he'll,
basically
simplify
and
achieve
more
with
the
search.
B
A
A
Good,
thank
you
thank
you,
Mikhail
for
that
one
and
now
Ganesh
as
an
app
had
a
cool
blog
post.
Actually,
this
is
I
like
this.
This
book
first
for
a
few
reasons,
but
this
is
related
on
sellership,
on
site
homepage,
using
the
PMP,
Powershell
and
CLI
for
Microsoft
365,
because
again
I
like
the
fact
that
we
provide
that
flexibility
on
depending
on
it
on
the
the
tooling
and
command
line
tooling,
which
you
use
depending
on
your
preference.
A
A
B
Well,
if
you
have
a
company
phone
or
a
phone
with
access
to
company
assets-
and
you
lose
it,
you
don't
want
that
for
somebody
else
to
find
and
be
able
to
access
your
company
stuff
right.
So
you
wipe
it
remotely.
So
there's
like
one
common
case,
and
maybe
you
want
to
do
it
at
scale,
because
maybe
there
is
a
rear,
maybe
you
decommissioned
device
and
don't
want
to
do
them
like
one
by
one.
So
this
is
a
very
common
case
in
it
where
it
comes
to
to
managing
the
devices
yep.
A
Absolutely,
and-
and
this
is
a
great
great
reminder
that
Microsoft
graph
is
not
just
about
the
productivity
endpoints
and
the
information
about
the
individual
persons.
It's
also
the
info
accessing
the
information
and
capabilities
and
features
within
the
company
level
like
managed
devices,
so
that
is
the
ABI
to
to
use
in
many
cases,
so
really
really
cool.
Thank
you,
Peter
on
that
one
now
365
message
center
show
had
a
new
episode.
I
I
really
really
really
like
the
show.
A
Because
again
you
know
explaining
the
technical
terminology
in
a
understandable
language
is
actually
is
quite
important
for
our
customers
and
partners
and
in
message
Central
show
they
always
cover
the
latest
announcements.
What
Microsoft
has
released
in
the
message
center,
which
is
basically
for
tenant
administrators
to
know
what's
falling
out
and
and
most
importantly
again,
recapping
the
ship
on
2013
Workforce
is
going
to
be
retired.
It's
not
going
to
be
immediately
taken
away
in
April
2004,
2024,
2024,
2024
April
2024
from
year.
For
now
for
new
tenants.
A
B
A
Exactly
so,
Juliana
DeLuca
had
a
a
video
related
on
how
to
synchronize
box
first
Loop
task
in
a
planner
to
my
and
Microsoft
to
do,
and
this
is
really
on
on
replicating
to
the
the
task
in
the
loop
with
the
automation
to
the
planner
and
to
do
now
sorry
in
loop
from
Loop
to
plan
around
to
do
that's
actually
a
really
nice
scenario
for
sure.
So.
A
B
A
A
The
Palo
Pelosi
had
a
new
video
in
his
episode.
Pso
stick
bytes
episode,
247,
and
this
is
about
web
part
top
actions,
and
let
me
actually
a
bit
explain
in
the
video
what
are
web
part
top
actions,
and
these
are
these
in
here,
which
we
can
now
include
in
webport,
so
basically,
rather
than
modifying,
for
example,
the
web
pod
settings,
you
would
have
to
open
up
the
portal
with
the
Bane
and
then
do
things
you
can
actually
do
adjustments
directly
in
the
top
actions
in
the
web
part
which
is
cool.
A
A
Well,
it
is
about
building
an
animated,
powerapps
hamburger
menu
for
easy
data
filtering
so
basically
that's
the
hamburger
menu
and
whatever
we
always
call
that,
and
how
would
we
do
that
within
the
power
apps
so
which
is
really
pretty
cool?
Thank
you
Shane
once
again
for
the
weekly
video
what's
happening
for
you
this
week
next
week,.
B
This
week,
hopefully
not
too
much
so
as
we
as
you
watch
this
we
as
well
they've
all
went
according
to
the
plan,
we
released
new
version
of
Microsoft
graph
developer
proxy.
We
released
new
version
of
CLI
from
extra
365.,
so
we
have
some
room
to
breathe
around
these
two
aspects
too,
but
then
we
are
off
to
another
release
already,
so
the
room
came
and
got
it's.
B
Exactly
exactly
so,
it's
it's
a
really
cool
thing
right
because,
like
whatever
like
there's
no
stress
when
it
goes,
oh
no,
we
need
to
get
this
out.
Well,
if
we
don't
ship
this
mountain,
there
is
in
30
days,
there's
another
release.
So
exactly
sure
like
there
isn't,
unless
it's
a
bug
that
you
want
to
get
as
soon
as
we
can
everything
else,
you're
just
like
well,
it's
we
get
it
out
when
it's
ready
and
there
will
be
always
a
release,
so
that
makes
it
really
really
cool.
B
So
these
two
things
are
out.
What
else
is
there
we
are
preparing
for
a
thing
that
we
will
announce
shortly
other
than
that
being
really
cryptic
there
other
than
that?
It's
I
think
it's
time
slowly
to
start
preparing
for
ECS,
which
is
the
European
collaboration
standard,
preparing
presentations,
preparing
demos,
because
it's
only
less
than
a
month
away
now
so
like
after
waiting
for
a
long
long
time,
I
finally
booked
my
trip
yeah.
That
is
already
a
milestone
achieved,
but
now
it's
really
time
to
prep
for
these
talks.
B
A
Now
being
in
Vegas,
which
is
it's
it's
always
it's
always
nice
to
see
people,
but
it's
the
the
additional
stress
and
all
of
that
for
traveling
and
everything
else
and
and
losing
weekends
in
both
ends
because
of
the
travel
and
and
setting
of
things.
This
is
a
bit
of
a
bummer
because
it
has
an
impact
on
on
family
and
you
don't
get
to.
A
You
know,
spend
their
free
time
with
the
family,
but
it's
really
really
cool
to
see
people
physically
and
and
being
in
the
room
with
the
energy
with
other
people
has
a
positive
impact
for
sure.
So
it's
it's
a
it's
an
interesting.
You
know
do
all
it's
it's,
at
least
in
a
personal
level,
I
actually
yeah,
it's
a
two
to
200
to
whatever
to
a
terrible.
So
you
want
to
be
there.
A
B
A
A
A
A
A
B
B
A
Predictions
predictions
predictions
interesting
to
see
how
this
plants
off
anyway.
Thank
you
for
watching
listening
and
thank
you
David,
one
more
time
on
on
joining
on
a
call,
really
cool
discussion
and
bit
of
a
recap
on
history
and
all
of
that.
That's
always
good
for
sure,
and
also
about
the
future,
where
we're
heading
within
the
Microsoft
and
with
the
community
and
I
I
love
the
references
related
on
open
source
and
Community
stuff,
because
it's
so
relatable
we
we
started
RK
top.
A
B
A
Absolutely
100
with
and
and
there's
always
multiple
opinions,
there's
always
feedback
and
all
of
that,
but
we're
all
entitled
to
feedback
that
were
100
and
then
feedback
and
perceptions
are
highly
subjective.
So
so,
whenever
something
new
comes
around
or
sometimes
some
people
do
things,
there
are
reactions
and
that's
part
of
the
part
of
the
risk
which
we've
talked
about
this
one
with
who
did
we
talked
about
this
one,
for
example,
publishing
videos
and
everything
else.
It's
there's
always
a
risk
that
people
will
come
and
say
unless
yeah
with
April.