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Anyway,
so
in
this
episode,
episode,
19
we're
trying
to
be
as
short
so
last
time
we
went
way
too
long.
We
just
were
chatting
with
you
remember
how
to
pronounce
the
name
Xiao
Jue.
Thank
you
for
quite
a
long
time.
Actually
we
went
like
15
minutes
or
something
like
that,
and
the
target
is
20
to
30
minutes.
Let's
try
to
keep
this
hurry
to
start
at
the
point
of
this
one.
We
don't
have
any
visitors
and
point
of
this.
A
One
is
more
I,
have
a
discussion
on
how
is
it
going
and
also
to
talk
about
the
future
potential
range?
So
what
are
we
hoping?
What
will
happen
with
the
community
and
the
product?
Maybe
next
year,
right
yeah,
but
before
we
actually
go
there
just
out
of
curiosity,
so
this
is
19th
episode
and
while
they
co,
which
episode
was
their
favorite,
the
one
where
I
was
not
present
right
well,.
B
Not
really
so,
actually
that
one
was
in
that
one
I
learned
a
lot
I
learned
because,
like
typically
the
way
we
do
it
is
that
VESA
does
the
weird
things
with
the
image
simply
the
way
we
do.
It
is
that
we
record
an
episode
and
that's
how
we'll
prep
the
meeting
set
up
the
call
and
do
the
production,
publish
and
all
that,
and
it
seems
like
not
that
much
work
until
you
have
to
do
one
by
yourself.
Yeah.
A
B
Then
you
realize
how
much
where
it
gets
into
the
to
prep.
The
link
get
everybody's
name,
because
we
want
to
like
idea
for
us
is
to
help
people
reach
more
people,
and
for
that
we
need
to
get
people's
name
twitter.
Handle's
blog
articles
try
to
find
out
in
which
corners
of
the
web.
We
can
find
things
that
people
would
share
that
that
you
wouldn't
see
otherwise.
B
A
In
a
way
to
be
fair,
the
the
community
costs
are
relatively
easy
to
produce
because
it's
it's
mainly
to
starting
the
intro,
the
B&B
intro,
which
reminded
me.
We
need
to
actually
change
that
one
as
well,
with
the
new
logos
damn
well
but
you're,
adding
the
the
intro,
which
was
in
the
start
of
this
video
and
then
the
outro
as
well,
and
then
because
it's
community
go,
we
don't
actually
cut
anything
away
or
we
don't
even
typically
at
any
messages
or
anything
like
that.
A
So
right,
the
the
SPD
weekly
is
different
because
there's
this
always
the
person
name
and
a
tweet
attack
and
and
the
links
and
everything
else
and
random
comments
every
now
and
then
on
the
video,
because
I
think
those
random
comments.
I,
don't
actually
curious
to
see
if
somebody's
giving
us
feedback
on
those.
But
those
there's
random
comments
are
actually
making
the
video
more.
Let's
say,
interactive,
more
interesting
leaders,
never
know
what's
gonna
happen
and
suddenly
there's
a
random
mess.
It's
more
like
thinking,
something
or
or
something
else,
I.
B
A
A
And
everything
else,
and
that
everything
does
take
time
and
also
the
plot
post,
actually
takes
some
time
and
all
of
that
so
yeah
there's
quite
a
lot
of
things.
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
the
only
way.
Well,
that's
that's
one
thing
what
we've
been
having
a
discussion
in
the
together
with
communities
that
I'll
be
having
too
many
videos
I'm
having
too
many
community
and
everything
else,
and
apparently
the
conclusion
out
of
our
survey
was
keep
on
doing
what
you
are
doing.
Everything
is
fine
and
which
is
quite
a
lot
of
work,
but
it's
it's.
A
The
main
purpose
is
to
make
sure
that
people
are
getting
value
and
even
though
you
would
miss
one
call,
it
doesn't
really
matter.
We
will
repeat
some
of
the
important
stuff
on
the
following
ones
as
well
and
which
is
one
of
the
feedback,
what
we're
getting
every
now
and
then
why
do
you
have
always
the
same
slides
for
certain
slides
on
the
community
core,
but
hey?
B
B
Ignite
when
we
try
to
run
campaign
on
Twitter
and
I
noticed
that
a
tweet
would
stay
in
in
picture
like
for
10
seconds.
There
were
so
many
things
going
on
at
ignite,
so
it
only
proves
a
point
if
people
don't
search
for
specific
things
or
they
don't
follow
you
or
like
you
only
have
like
there's
really
a
small
chance
that
you'll
actually
be
seen
sure
right.
A
That's
true
and
that's
something
what
what
I
I
think
everybody
I
say:
individual
pokers,
as
well
as
an
individual
person,
writing
blog
post
and
everything
else
should
also
learn.
It's
not
about
the
one
moment
of
a
time
and
and
quite
often
actually
what
I've
seen
I
do:
social
media
experiments,
but
people
write
the
blog
post
and
then
it's
like
now
it's
done
awesome
and
it's
Sunday
9:00
p.m.
on
my
time
so
I'm
gonna
tweet
it
out
not
a
good
idea.
Wait
until
the
Monday
afternoon.
A
B
And
there's
even
or
two
that,
like
I,
am
still
getting
questions
about
blog
post,
that
I
wrote
in
2012
yeah,
like
the
other
day,
I
talked
to
a
customer
who
just
migrated
to
SharePoint
2013
on
pram.
It's
like
there.
There
is
the
bottle
where
we
we
we
live
in
and
then
there
is
the
reality.
There's
plenty
of
people
in
the
field
doing
still
things
about
which
we
talk
like
way
way
way
way
back,
and
we
move
beyond
that.
A
B
A
B
A
It's
yet
to
come:
yes,
because
now,
if
we,
what
we
obviously
are
tracking
we've
been
showing
those
metrics
every
now
and
then
in
the
in
the
community
course
as
well,
but
in
the
community
cause.
If
you
have
a
look
on
the
metrics,
every
single
Monday
we're
beating
the
previous
week
so
every
single
month,
Monday,
is
by
the
way
the
number
one
use
it
today
for
SharePoint
framework.
I
do
not
really
understand
why,
but
it
kind
of
makes
sense.
A
And
so
in
Mia
as
an
example
in
Dubai,
some
Sunday,
it's
the
first
working
day,
so
Tuesday
is
actually
Friday
so
to
say
so:
aha,
so
they
yeah
and
Dubai,
and
the
Mia
area
is
actually
quite
big
and
they
they
are
early
adaptors
a
lot
of
the
stuff
early
adapters
of
cloud
as
well,
and
they
have
data
centers
moving
in
there
as
well.
There's
a
lot
of
money
in
that
area
as
well
so
I
think
that's
a
combination
over
the
Friday
is
is
already
slowing
down
because
a
back
moves
we
can
already
go.
A
So
you
can
actually
say
that,
but
anyway,
the
adoption
curve,
every
single
Monday
we
are.
We
are
beating
the
previous
Monday,
and
that
means
that
it
it's
it's
not
slowing
down.
It's
it's
not
like.
Whenever
it's
gone
staple
for
of
let's
say
four
weeks
in
a
row,
then
we
know
that
we
are
kind
of
on
the
curve
and
it
starts
stapling
down.
But
it's
still
just
scarring.
B
A
Obviously,
webparts
is
a
huge
they're
extensions,
massive
deal,
Microsoft
craft
and
API
support
securely,
calling
a
massive
deal,
but
it's
it's
like
it's
and
now
we're
kind
of
a
concentrating
then
on
a
team's
development
which
happened
framework
and
that's
gonna
have
a
pump
on
the
usage,
but
it's
it's
not
the
yet
super
visible
most
likely,
because
the
marks
of
teams
development
isn't
actually
that,
let's
say
widely
used.
Microsoft
teams
is
more.
A
B
Maybe
even
from
from
that
point
of
view,
so
teams
hasn't
been
around
for
as
long
as
everything
else
and
maybe,
as
you
say,
because
it
is
a
client
that
there
are
different
scenarios
to
extend
it
and
maybe
there's
also
different
needs.
So
it's
like
you
wouldn't
justify,
maybe,
for
example
like
if,
like
for
things
that
you
would
build,
for
example,
a
weapon
in
on
on
on
the
web.
Like
imagine,
you
come
to
Porto
and
you
will
see,
let's
say
the
weather,
maybe
in
teams
the
way
people
want.
B
It
is
to
have
a
boat
which
wouldn't
justify
using
SPFs
or
different
kind
of
dev,
or
maybe
they
just
they're,
just
not
scenario
that
people
look
for
in
teams
yeah,
alright,
so
maybe
as
such
is
just
like.
Comparing
apples
and
pears,
it's
not.
You
cannot
really
say
like
because
the
numbers
are
different,
because
maybe
the
numbers
today
are
fully
justified
needs
that
people
have
it's
perfect
yeah.
A
Absolutely
absolutely
and
everything
about
ship
on
Chaplin
has
such
a
massive
historical
background.
Yeah
everybody
used
to
be
up
on
developers
and
then
plenty
of
them
moved
ashore
and
other
platforms
as
well,
which
is
which
is
completely
understandable,
because
it's
it's
a
maturity
of
the
cloud
as
well
and
under
services.
Now
in
SharePoint,
SharePoint
has
always
been
a
intranet
platform.
An
internet
platform
has
different
requirements,
then
is
a
business
collaboration
or
a
chatting
platform
like
my
15,
so
it's
kind
of
completely
understandable.
So
absolutely
now,
and
obviously
it's
if
you
think
about
the
ESPY
effect.
A
So
that's
that's
really
the
area
where
we're
then
investing
in
the
futures.
The
office
add-ins
panels
using
SPF
X,
talked
about
this
one
few
times,
or
they
will
say
a
interviews
by
David
Mowat
in
the
ESP
sea
by
people
and
asking
is
this
in
something
what
we're
looking
into
doing?
That's
actually,
surprisingly.
A
Well,
we
have
an
alpha
version
of
that
already
out
internally
and
it's
it's
great
to
say
that
it's
it's
actually
written
quite
nicely
and
because
that
will
then
help
people
to
have
an
implement
customization
so
for
office
office
audience
as
well,
because
the
classic
story
bit
office
audience
from
Microsoft
themes
has
always
been
that
a
we.
We
have
this
manifest
we're
pointing
to
a
URL
you'll,
implement
whatever
is
happening
there,
which
is
like
okay,
yeah
but
where's
hosting
yeah
exhausted.
How
do
I
get
permissions?
How
do
I
get
things?
So?
A
How
do
I
implement
this
stuff?
What
is
the
platform
yeah?
We
don't
care,
we're
super
open,
yeah,
yeah,
but
but
give
me
something:
okay,
exactly
and
that's
what
SharePoint
framework
is
bringing
and
which
surely
will
have
to
be
renamed
if
people
are
successfully
adapting
the
SharePoint
framework
as
a
team's
development
platform
or
an
office
areas
platform,
so
we'll
call
it
well
deck
flat
wall,
deck
framer,.
B
A
A
A
But
so,
let's
talk
about
the
future.
Let's
talk
about
I
will
probably
do
another,
let's
say
before
the
gear
changes.
But
what
is
your
let's
say:
Christmas
wish
list
for
Microsoft
related
on
SharePoint
framework
and
about
the
cloud
development
on
the
office
365.
What
would
be
the
thing?
What
you
see
as
some
missing
right
now.
B
So
there
actually
a
few
things
right
so,
as
you
said
well
right
up
until
now,
there
were
no.
There
are
only
few
play,
bigger
announcements
around
SPF
X,
like
extensions
and
but
everything
else
was
there
just
like
getting
up
to
par
with
the
basic
that
people
need
and
I.
Think
that
beyond
this
step
like
we
have
pretty
good
coverage
of
the
major
scenarios
so
far,
so
it
will
be
interesting
to
see
like
what
will
be
next
like
how
will
SharePoint
framework
evolve,
like
which
new
scenarios
it
will
open
up?
A
B
Exactly
exactly
maybe
there
will
be
some
new
kind
of
shape
or
a
new
kind
of
scenario
that
will
open
I
know.
I
would
be
really
interesting
to
see
if
there
ever
be,
that
or
will
it
just
be.
You
know
the
thing
to
cover
the
basics
and
basically
align
with
the
portals
and
just
offer
a
way
to
extend
it
beyond
what's
available
out
of
the
box,
but
still
within
the
boundaries
of
a
page,
yeah.
A
That's
something
but
I've
been
actually
I'm
receiving
a
mouse,
as
we
speak
right
about
now
again
on
this
one.
So
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
doing
and
using
SharePoint
framework
and
they're
using
chevron
framework
to
do
dumpage
injections
and
then
that's
causing
an
headache
so
I
think
that's
that's
absolutely
an
area
where
we
as
Microsoft
will
be
investing
and
we
have
to
invest.
Yes,
there
is
to
make
sure
that
those
gaps
related
on
the
missing
capabilities,
which
are
forcing
people
to
do
dahm
injection
are
being
addressed
now
in
many
of
these
cases.
A
A
Then
the
the
income
actually
is
that
well,
I,
don't
know
there.
We
go
exactly
exactly
so,
because
we've
been
doing
that
in
the
past.
Sure-Sure
we've
been
able
to
do
that
in
the
past,
but
now
is
it
actually
something
where
you
wanna
spend
time
and
investments
and
money
in
the
future
as
well,
and
the
answer
might
be
yes,
so
that's
absolutely
understandable,
but
it
really
it's
an
interesting
discussion,
always
as
an
ex
consultant
also.
B
B
Why
does
he
do
this?
Because
it
is
a
website?
It
serves
different
purpose
than
collaboration
environment
right,
but
now
that
I
am
in
the
position
where
it
is
expected
of
me
to
justify
or
to
just
decide
like
what
do
we
need
to
build
for
for
the
customers
that
we
have
it's
like
yeah.
When
you
ask
somebody
do
one
that
yeah
sure
absolutely
like
the
answer
will
be
always
yes,.
B
So
so
in
in,
in
said,
apparently
what
is
a
better
option
say
like
what
would
it
allow
you
to
accomplish
yeah,
because
then
you
can
move
away
from
the
technology
solution
and
code
and
not
like
okay.
What
do
you
want
to
accomplish
and
then
think?
Okay,
so
if
you
want
to
search
easier,
maybe
you
don't
need
to
rewrite
experience
balls,
but
then
maybe
you
need
something
else,
but
unless
let's
talk
about
what
you
try
to
accomplish
and
not
like,
why
do
you
need
that?
Because
I
yeah,
because
I
need
to
search
well?
It's.
A
Debatable
again
the
why
that
for
me,
why
actually
means
that
as
well,
so
I'm
always
telling
there
on
the
questions
and
okay,
so
you
need
it
to
do
CS
injection
on
the
on
the
page,
using
SK
effects.
Why
were
you
forced
to
do
that?
Yeah
yeah,
but
we
have
a
custom
style?
No!
No.
Why
do
you
have
that
custom
style
which
you
need?
Yes,.
A
B
A
Really
everything
what
we
do
as
a
developer,
we
should
always
consider
a
rethink
that
a
so.
What
is
the
value
of
what
they're
actually
doing
here?
Is
this
really
there's
right
or
wrong
and
there's
academically
right
or
wrong,
and
then
there's
this
multiple
right
and
wrong
things
rights
everything
it
depends
well.
B
Yeah
but
I
mean
being
it's
not
easy
to
move
away
that
from
there,
because
why?
Because
like
why,
you
are
deaf,
because
you
love
to
solve,
puzzles
correct
if
the
harder
the
puzzle,
the
cooler
it
is
to
fix
it
true
sure.
So
when
somebody
asks
you
to
do
something
impossible,
you
won't
ask
why?
Like
oh,
yes,
I'm,
look,
I'm
gonna,
close
myself
in
in
a
room
for
a
week.
I
will
fix
that
yep.
You
won't.
You
won't
ask
why
yep
yes
right,
because
that
that's
not
that's
not
the
way.
B
You
you,
you
tick
as
a
Devon
I
know,
because
I've
done
that
too,
like
when
you're
and
sometimes
even
I,
was
like
okay,
so
I
am
being
asked
to
do
that
like
I,
would
maybe
even
expand
the
things
to
make
it
like.
Yes,
we
need
DES,
because
mm-hmm
and
I
would
I
would
add
my
own
experience
on
top
of
it,
maybe
even
the
times
that
it
was
real,
really
asked
or
needed.
Why?
Because,
because
again,
you
want
the
best.
B
B
A
It's
it's
an
interesting
discussion.
It's
always
an
interesting
challenge
and
that's
why
the
way
our
puppy
who's
working
on
the
on
delivering
room
but
as
an
example,
the
dome
injection
is,
is
always
a
super
good
example,
because
one
of
the
things
want
to
how
we
act
rest.
While
back
like
three
four
years
ago,
the
farm
solution
to
adding
model
transition
most
with
Dom
injection.
We
actually
that
that
that
is
the
original
Perth
of
SharePoint
B&B.
B
A
B
A
So
obviously
the
modern
experiences
in
SharePoint
is
a
big
thing
for
us
and
that's
why
we're
preparing
heavily
and
we
do
have
internal
programs
related
on
addressing
the
gaps
in
the
modern
experiences
versus
classic
portals,
and
that's
a
really
big
thing
where
we
are
bidding
and-
and
we
we
haven't
actually
had
too
much
focus
on
that
one.
Well,
some
features
here
and
there,
but
too
much
focus
on
specific
individual
details
since
this
autumn.
So
we'll
have
more
progress
on
spring.
So
that's
definitely
an
area
where
we
will
see.
Movement
also
endure.
A
A
Sharepoint
framework,
obviously
that
we
know
that
the
framework
works
people
are
happy
with
the
framework
and
using
that
as
a
de-facto
model
across
multiple
solutions
makes
sense,
but
also
what
I
would
love
to
see.
This
is
something
we'll
do
it.
Women,
starting
chatting
with
you
well
like
as
well,
is
SharePoint
adapting
some
of
the
standards
or
from
other
services
as
well.
A
So
as
an
example,
books
SharePoint
should
have
a
standardized
location
in
the
ship
on
UI
exposed
by
engineering
where
the
what
can
be
associated
so
in
the
same
way
as
you
could
have
a
boat
in
the
in
the
teams,
you
could
have
a
boat
in
SharePoint.
So
again
that
would
be.
This
is
completely
not
in
the
roadmap
or
anything
just
top
of
my
head
just
talking,
but
it
would
be
something
which
really
enforces
the
message
of
hey.
You
can
choose
the
application,
whatever
no
use.
A
How
are
you
using
teams
or
using
SharePoint,
doesn't
matter
you
will
have?
We
will
expose
the
same
wit
parts
and
tabs
and
bots
in
s
down
that
way.
So
you
can
access
the
tools
regardless
on
which
service
you
are
in
in
office.
365
kind
of
a
more
string,
criminalist
way
of
doing,
develop
and
also
more
synchronized
governance
and
tenant
layer
level.
A
Understanding
on
what's
happening
and-
and
these
are
things
obviously
as
we're
discussing
internally,
but
it's
it's
really
getting
that
movement
moving
on
the
right
direction,
even
think
about
Microsoft,
365
and
officer
a
testified,
though
some
massive
phones
with
multiple
different
organizations
so
making
agreements
on
who's
owning.
What?
Where
and
aligning
timelines
is
surprisingly
difficult?
It's
it's
it's
system
what
people
don't
really
think
that
much.
Oh.
B
Yes
and
I
guess
that
the
one
way
around
it
is
like
like
Hawaiian
is
important
to
be
able
to.
Imagine
like
you
would
say:
BOTS
is
it
bad
is
if,
for
some
time
you
will
have
bought
in
teams
but
not
in
a
portal?
Maybe
not
maybe
it's
not
an
issue
as
long
as
it's
gonna
come
there.
Imagine
I
mean
still
I
mean
it's
like
I
achieve
in
the
parody
might
not
be
the
most
important
thing
on
the
list
that
you
guys
need
to
do
horizon
so
white.
Well,
it
will
be.
B
A
B
A
And
then,
then
there
are
other
things
obvious:
that's
that's
the
engineering
side
of
the
things
and
other
things
what
we
really
I.
Let's
see
we're
working
on
this
one
as
well,
but
it's
a
maturity
of
the
the
dependent
on
organization,
so
individual
organizations
have
a
slightly
different
maturity
level
on
the
community.
Engagement
so
and
I
think
we're
we're
getting
to
the
point
where
this
might
get
slightly
overwhelming
for
the
community,
and
we
need
to
think
how
we
do
this.
So
just
a
random
example,
because
I
saw
this
yesterday,
I'm
so
slightly
surprised.
A
So
there's
a
community
call
for
adaptive
cards
right
coming
up.
Then
apparently,
monthly
community
calls
for
adaptive
cards
and
I'm
looking
at
and
to
be
fair,
I,
don't
know
what
is
some
really
an
adapted
card?
I
kind
of
I
know
what
it
is,
but
but
still
and
but
it's
and
it
was
scheduled
overlapping
with
the
identity
community
call
so.
A
Which
is
like
no,
we
we
as
a
Microsoft.
We
need
to
be
smarter
than
this
week
and
it's
partly
the
same
people
who
are
using
Flo
SharePoint
office,
365
crafts,
and
all
of
that
we
we
have
to
be
able
to
be
a
smaller
on
working
as
a
one
Microsoft,
let's
say
funnel
or
a
channel
towards
the
community,
so
that
you
to
remember
you
don't
need
to
choose
between
well.
B
B
Don't
know
because
to
me
for
her,
for
example,
if
you
would
could
so
imagine,
imagine
that
PNP,
like
efforts
are
being
implemented
at
across
Microsoft
org
yeah,
so
many
many
different
teams
will
will
put
all
the
effort
they
can
to
reach
as
many
deaths
as
they
can
to
help
them
utilize.
The
abilities
that
I
have
to
their
best
needs
yeah.
That
will
generate
a
massive
amount
of
content
that
you
can
physically
they.
B
You
will
physically
be
unable
to
consume,
to
follow
all
of
them
for
a
similar
experience
when
you
are,
for
example,
at
ignite
yeah,
no
way
that
you
can
consume
all
cells
has
has
says
sessions
there
in
person.
So
what
you
will
end
up
doing
is
you
will
show
up
in
person
maybe
to
the
ones
where
you
want
to
ask
the
person
who
speaks
or
presents
something,
and
then
everything
else
you
will
view
on
double-speed
afterwards.
Yeah,
that's
true!
That's.
A
There
is
a
lot
of
material
as
long
as
the
material
is
properly
produced
and
documented
and
there's
a
problem
and
description
videos
again
they
found
it's
labeled,
it's
searchable,
so
you
can
actually
find
what's
relevant
for
you
and
that's
I,
think
that's
really
the
key
and
sure
we
are
we're
making
that
better
all
the
time,
but
I
think
we
still
need
to
make
improvements
there
as
a
Microsoft.
So
and
and
yes,
the
sharepoint
B&B
is
quite
often
considered
as
an
example
for
a
lot
of
the
new
new
organizations
out.
A
There
start
to
start
engaging
with
the
community,
which
wasn't
by
the
way,
the
case
three
years
ago
or
four
years
ago,
when
we,
which
was
a
completely
different
case
at
that.
But
but
then
we
were
forced
to
start
engaging
with
you,
people
like
waldek
and
MVPs,
and
that
really
then
took
off
I
say
as
a
model.
But
it's
interesting
too.
B
A
B
A
A
That's
an
interesting
discussion.
Obviously
the
shipment
and
the
PMP
has
been
crowing
so
enormously
during
this
here
as
well.
We
we
spin
up
a
new
amount
of
open
source
projects
and
it's
good
to
say
that
every
single
one
of
them
is
it's
alive
and
well
so
basically
getting
contributions.
People
are
happy
and
I
think
that
the
number
one
thing
which
is
actually
hard
for
me
as
well,
because
I
would
love
to
have
more
time
on
doing
development.
A
Are
they
I
think
that's
what
has
to
happen,
and
that's
that
has
been
absolutely
one
of
the
objectives
from
a
day,
one
with
SharePoint
being
Bay,
but
we
also
know
that
we
need
to
go
step
by
step,
so
we've
been
using
this
well.
You
know
well
like
this,
but
this
is
for
those
who
are
listening.
Still
disenchant
we've
been
using
this
classic
in
qotb
method,
right,
yeah,.
B
A
Actually
exposed
this
Bufalino,
so
I
think
originally
I've
introduced,
EMCO,
OTB
method
back
in
the
Microsoft
Certified
muster
training
for
SharePoint
and
people
were
then
in
a
class.
Somebody
was
telling
us
how
what
kind
of
made
us
are
using
I'm
using
an
Co,
Ltd
method:
okay,
Bob.
What
is
an
N
qotb
method?
Well,
it's
the
new
kids
on
the
block
method,
step
by
step.
I.
A
A
That's
that's
fair,
but
yeah
III
think
everything
one
we
do
and
that's
that's
one
of
the
things
we've
been
running
the
PMP
program
now
for
quite
a
few
years,
and
that's
that's
one
of
the
things
which
is
always
challenging
as
well,
and
obviously
you
understand
you,
you
CRO
the
patients
as
we
as
we
go
forward
with
this
program,
but
there's
there's
a
lot
of
visions
which
we
want
to
do
it.
There's
a
lot
of
kind
of
a
person
says
I'm
thinking
on
a
whole.
A
Oh,
my
god,
we
should
do
a
following,
but
but
you
just
don't
have
the
resources,
so
you
need
to
think
I'll.
Do
it.
How
do
you
actually
get
there
and
what
are
the
things
which
are
important
this
year
as
an
example,
this
visco,
we
started
this
SP,
their
weekly
thing,
I'm
sure
we're
getting
500
600
views
on
every
single
video.
Is
that
wild
enough?
Is
it
enough
further
for
the
value
of
the
video,
but
for
now
we
will
absolutely
keep
on
doing
this.
We're
gonna
shut
down.
B
So
so
it
is
exactly
that
I
mean
it's.
It
also
comes
down
to
comparison.
You
can
try
to
compare
yourself
against
the
best
from
day
one,
and
you
will
keep
failing
for
a
long
time,
and
maybe
you
will
never
catch
up.
I
mean
like
if
I
first
of
all
do
look
at
at
CLI
we're
by
far
not
even
anywhere
close
being
compared
to
PowerShell,
not
with
with
with
regards
to
coverage,
usage
and
I
was
like
at
times
it's
like.
B
Okay,
so
is
it
worth
the
effort
and
then
once
in
a
while,
somebody
was
like
you
guys,
save
me
that
time
or
you
allowed
me
to
do
this,
or
this
is
awesome
like
yes,
it
is
you,
no
matter
the
numbers.
The
numbers
are
just
one
size
out
of
it.
You
know,
there's
also
people
and
as
long
as
you
can
find
a
way
to
reach
out
to
them
and
and
find
what
people
think
and
see
if
you
solve
problems
they
have.
That
makes
it
like
for
me
personally
worth
the
effort.
Absolutely
absolutely
and.
A
That
makes
you,
even
though
you
are
right
now,
a
whatever
product
manager,
director
in
the
company.
It
will
give
you
the
opportunity
to
still
write
code
because
that's
your
hobby,
that's
your
opener,
wrote
it
and,
and
you
can
still
feel
to
be
a
developer.
You
know
solving
those
problems,
helping
people
by
contributing
and
that's.
B
B
A
A
You
see
some
extension
and
started
releasing
that
as
a
new
get
packets
and-
and
nobody
was
using-
that
nobody
was
using
that
until
we
just
kept
on
repeating
repeating
repeating
and
announcement
announcement
and
adding
value
and
adding
relevant
value
for
the
people,
so
that
they
felt
that
we
want
to
actually
start
using
that
and
that's
and
that's
that
is
a
combination,
absolutely
of
repeats
additional
value
and
then
super
super
important
thing.
The
communications
communication,
application
communication.
A
It
doesn't
matter
if
you
are
the
best
developer
in
the
world
or
you
have
the
best
stuff
developed
in
github.
If
nobody
knows
about
it,
that's
that
yeah
and
it's
hard
for
some
developers.
It's
it's!
It
was
hard
for
me
as
well
before
I
was
a
consultant
and
being
a
consultant.
Eight
years
in
Microsoft,
Khan
well
trained
my
head
around
the
communication,
but
it's
it's
it's
one
of
those
things
that
even
for
your
own
managers,
you.
B
A
To
be
able
to
explain
the
value,
what
you're
bringing
and
it's
not
like,
hey
I
wrote
this
thing:
no,
no.
What
does
it
actually
do
be
proud
about
it,
even
as
an
example,
so
I
still
remember
this
just
an
example
related
on
how
people
should
be
kind
of
exposing
their
stuff.
So
before
I
turn,
Microsoft
I
was
working
in
a
smaller
company.
The
company
name
doesn't
matter,
I
implement
it's
kind
of
a
middle
layer
in
in
the
which
was
used
by
multiple
products
and
then
I
named
that
middle
player
as
I
face.
A
And
then
what
I
started
doing
was
that
I
started,
I
am
standing
weekly
emails,
I
face
team
is
doing
following
and
throughout
the
company,
and
after
doing
that,
six
months
and
I
started
getting
a
lot
of
questions
on
hey,
who
I
want
to
be
joining
this
I
face
team
as
well.
I
said
yeah.
It's
me
what,
but
it's.
B
B
Be
honest:
to
be
honest,
you
could
say
that
your
p.m.
at
heart
and
because
that
is
what
PM's
do
PM
job,
isn't
it's
doing?
Marketing
and
region
people
is
doing
marketing
yeah
right,
so
so,
maybe
for
you
that
was
intuitive
thing,
because
you
understood
at
some
point
and
then
in
your
p.m.
at
heart.
So
for
you
it's
like
it's
the
basic
of
everything
you
you
do
like
when
you
do
something.
B
Let
everybody
know
that
it's
there
and
not
just
to
you,
know,
trip
trip
ego
and,
as
I
look
at
me
know
just
to
help
people
understand
like.
Why
did
you
choose
to
spend
your
time
to
do
it?
What
is
the
problem
that
I
saw?
What
is
value
that
it
adds?
Because
maybe
they
have
the
same
issue?
But
if
you
just
say
look
at
this
coat
is
cool,
they
will
not
make
the
link
or
they
might
there.
They
might
not
like.
B
A
Yeah
yeah
sure
sure,
but
but
but
I
think
every
single
developer,
if
you
don't
have
the
inner
p.m.
then
try
to
find
those
people
who
can
help
you
and
basically
be
then
your
friends
on
making
promote
to
stuff
what
you
do,
there's
always
multiple
GM
as
a
service
ems.
That's
an
interesting
concept.
Yes,
in.
B
A
A
If
you
any
of
the
watchers
are
feeling
that
we
haven't
actually
found
you,
please
use
the
hashtag
s
been
weekly,
so
just
attack
them.
We
will
go
and
check
what's
being
attacked
on
the
Twitter,
based
on
that,
if
you're
not
in
Twitter
I'll,
try
to
use
link
it
or
something
to
to
get
our
attention
on
what
you're
doing
we
just
chose
to
use
Twitter,
because
it's
so
easy
to
actually
follow.
Yeah.
B
B
A
A
Well
decay
and
we'll
have
create
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
volunteering
already
are
some
visitors
and
we
have
great
list
of
things
at
people
who
want
to
actually
invite
as
a
visitor
in
the
call
as
well
so,
but
thank
you
for
watching,
have
a
great
holiday
break
awfully
people
have
some
time
to
charge
their
batteries
and
spend
time
with
the
families
and
then
come
back
on
this
spring
time
to
deliver.
So
thank
you.
Thank.