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SharePoint Dev Weekly is a weekly video chat in which hosts - Vesa Juvonen (Microsoft), Waldek Mastykarz (Rencore) and typically a special guest from the SharePoint PnP Community, discuss the latest news and topics around SharePoint engineering and development.
In this episode, Vesa and Waldek are joined by Agnes Molnar, owner of Search Explained based in Budapest, delivering consulting and training services worldwide. The discussion centered on why search is again cool. Albeit, with all the excitement around AI and auto tagging, the group agrees - humans will not be replaced anytime soon by computers lacking our human backgrounds, experiences, intentions or essence that defines how we shape, interpret and share knowledge with others. And by the way, metadata is not going away either! Humans remain needed and necessary for curating content and metadata, in addition to teaching computers how find stuff for us more effectively. Cool!
As always, if you need help on an issue, want to share a discovery, or just want to say: “Job well done”, please reach out to Vesa, to Waldek or to your PnP Community.
This session is also available as a podcast at https://spdevweekly.podbean.com.
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This video chat was recorded on Monday, February 3, 2020. A new episode is recorded every Monday, with few exceptions, and is made available for viewing/listening on Tuesday.
Additional details on topics covered during this episode may be found in the SharePoint Developer Blog post for this episode at: http://aka.ms/spdev-blog.
Learn more about the SharePoint developer community at: http://aka.ms/sppnp.
A
C
Yes,
what
we
do
is
we
explain
how
search
works
in
SharePoint
and
office
365.
So
what
I
personally
do
I
am
I
run
this
company
I
do
consulting
I.
Do
training
workshops
around
the
world.
I
have
a
small
deaf
team
as
well,
so
whenever
you
need
customizations
additional
components
for
everything
that
is
search
related,
then
my
team
helps
me,
and
in
the
last
year
year
and
a
half,
we
have
been
involved
into
many
many
knowledge
management
projects
as
well.
C
C
C
C
A
C
C
Working
with
the
same
company,
so
they
are
kind
of
understood
the
situation,
but
it
was
really
weird.
So
this
is
how
it
was
started.
It
was
like
an
accident,
but
yes,
somehow,
I
stayed
with
SharePoint
and
my
next
company
recognized
me
as
a
SharePoint
expert
I
started
to
teach
SharePoint
and
and
everything
like
that
and
yeah
and
and
then
in
2011.
C
There
was
the
evolutions
conference
in
London.
If
you
remember
that
and
Steve
called
me
to
speak
at
the
conference
and
I,
don't
know,
I
got
some
document
management
content
management
session.
But
he
also
told
me
hey:
would
you
mind
to
do
a
search
session
as
well,
because
search
is
somewhat
related
to
content
management.
B
So
you
mentioned
two
interesting
things
right,
so
one
is
like
what
surprises
me
is
that
already
in
2001,
you
got
the
task
to
do
something
with
search
where,
in
reality,
at
least
from
where
I
saw
things
like
many
companies
were
back,
then
they
would
have
the
hierarchy
of
folders
on
a-z,
Drive
or
somewhere
and
they'll.
Just
they
would
know
exactly
where
everything
was
filed.
There
was
no
search.
You
guys,
like
you,
had
file
structure,
and
you
knew
exactly
where
to
go
for
what
nicer
then
to
think
in
terms
of
that
about
search
like
why.
C
C
Basically,
the
company
this
stuff,
this
company,
where
I've
worked
with,
was
a
kind
of
mature
in
this
meaning
because
they
were
Lotus
Notes
company.
So
they
had
a
lot
of
applications
and
different
kinds.
Content
and
everything
all
notice
note.
So
that
goal
of
proof
of
concept
was
to
do
something
similar
on.
C
A
A
C
C
C
C
B
A
C
But
you
could
not
really
use
the
graph
we'd
search
I
mean
if
you
think
about
classic
search.
What
do
you
do
with
the
graph?
Nothing
so
from
this
perspective?
Yes,
obviously
you
could
have
a
you
know,
a
feeling
that
something
interesting
and
is
happening,
and
there
were
many
other
things
to
know
and
learn,
but
talking
about
search
the
same
things
and
the
same
so
it
was
a
kind
of
boring
yeah.
B
B
B
Like
especially
from
from
the
things
that
I've
done
with
that,
it
was
really
cool
and
then
he's
like
well
search
like
how
hard
can
it
be?
You
type
something
in
a
text
books
and
then
you
get
the
results.
And
then
you
start
learning
about
the
things
like
X
ranked
like
ranking
puddles
like
stemming
all
the
the
language
processing
like.
How
does
it
find
words
synonyms,
like
yeah.
C
B
C
A
Let's,
if
you
focus,
let's
say
the
current
more
recent
things,
and
obviously
we
were
finally
seeing
now
a
kind
of
a
transition
on
the
modern
search
experiences
and
all
of
that.
What's
your
take
I
miss
on
on
the
situation
over
there,
so
we're.
Finally,
seeing
that.
Oh
this
is
the
reason
why
they
were
silent
for
a
while
related
on
releasing
of
Microsoft
search
and
now
we're
starting
that
all
of
those
things
starting
to
move
forward.
What's
your
take
on
on
the
recent
development?
Well,.
C
To
start
doing
something
as
like
two
years
ago,
seriously
I'm
here
and
I'm
glad
I'm
here.
So
yes,
even
today,
it's
a
it's
a
really,
really
exciting
challenge,
because
you
know,
if
you
are,
let's
say
you
are
large
company
today
and
you
go
to
office
365,
and
then
we
all
know
that
more
and
more
companies
deploy
office,
365
and,
and
they
start
using
it
search-
is
a
big
challenge,
but
classic
is
not
an
option
anymore,
but
modern
is
not
there
yet
yeah.
C
So
it's
you
know
what
to
tell
those
clients
and
and
the
for
me.
The
primary
challenge
is
if
I
say
something
today
in
a
month
or
two,
it
might
be
expired
or
new
things
come
out
or
something
so
what
I
have
to
do?
We
do
my
clients
and
customers
is
to
tell
them.
This
is
the
situation
now
and
then
you
know
once
in
a
whi
to
contact
them
again
and
again
hey
this
is
the
news
about
these.
This
is
the
news
about
that.
Now
you
can
use
the
PMP
webparts.
C
A
But
that's
also
a
sign
of
a
good
consultant
being
actually
following
up
on
things
and
making
sure
that
hey
by
the
way,
are
you
aware
of
these
things?
Because
that's
that's
actually
a
good
way
of
getting
additional
leads
as
well.
I
said
consultants,
but
to
be
fair,
I
think
it's
more
on
on
the
fact
that
making
sure
that
people
are
aware
and
the
things
are
evolving
and
they're
evolving
so
fast.
The
search
is
now
moving
format
with
leaps.
A
B
Interesting
thing
right
because,
like
yes,
you
said
that
classic
search
is
not
war,
I
mean
it's
still
there,
but
it's
not
not
recommended
to
use
and
then
the
motor
search
isn't
there
yet,
but
search
is
actually
two
things
right.
One
is
the
whole
engine,
the
indexing,
the
API.
All
of
that
and
then
to
there
is
the
experiences
part
ideas.
B
Is
there
right,
I
mean
and
that's
being
still
all
the
time
improved
invested
in
and
there's
much
to
search,
and
there
will
be
be
the
core
text
thing
for
which
I'm
really
it
just
like?
What
will
it
be
like
what
kind
of
api's
will
be
able
to
tap
into
to
leverage?
All
of
that
into
everything
that
we
build
and
then
eventually
sure
down
the
road
there
will
be,
or
at
least
I
would
assume
that
there
will
be
some
kind
of
first
party
experiences
around
that
to
surface
the
results.
B
B
A
Then
somebody
else
to
provide
it
to
experience
for
now
so
but
I
think
in
the
in
the
long
run,
I
think
it's
it's
looking
really
interesting,
and
and
will
we
get
to
the
that's
actually
good
discussion
bonds?
Are
we
finally
getting
to
the
moment
where
metadata
doesn't
matter
and
you
will
find
whatever
you're
looking
for
in
a
matter
of
seconds.
C
A
C
And
and
how
do
you
teach
the
system
what
to
take
how
to
take
one?
Just
just
tell
me
one
very
simple
example:
you
are
a
smart
guy
and
you
have
learned
a
lot
of
lot
of
things
about
products
about
customers
about
I,
don't
know,
API
is
about
everything
and
you
can
today
you
can
only
surface
just
one
one
segment
of
your
overall
knowledge.
If
I
ask
you
about
something
that
you
did
like
two
years
ago
or
if
I
ask
you
something
that
you
discussed
with
Waldeck
like
two
weeks
ago,
maybe
you.
C
You
would
not
remember
anything,
but
maybe
you
are
right.
Okay,
let
me
take
my
nose.
Let
me
look
in
my
emails.
Let
me
do
something
big.
You
use
those
tools.
You
use
emails,
you
use
notes.
I
won
not
whatever.
So
imagine
this.
If
you
want
to
scale
this,
if
you
say:
okay,
just
the
three
of
us
have
to
work
together
so
strongly
that
we
have
to
share
our
knowledge.
C
You
know
you
know
that
book
that
you
know
this
is
about
SharePoint.
This
is
about
search,
this
is
written
by
me,
etc.
This
is
all
metadata.
Yes,
you
think
about
it,
so,
and,
and
also
if
I
would,
if
I
wanted
to
use
your
knowledge,
I
definitely
have
to
know
which
email
is
about.
What
which
document
is
about?
What
which
note
is
about
what
that's
metadata?
If
you,
if
you
want
to
auto,
tell
you
everything
it's
just
impossible,
it
cannot
read
your
brain,
I
mean
or
some
maybe
it
can
I
don't
know.
C
C
A
Human
mind
is
so
complex
under
the
Association,
which
we
control
out
of
work
almost
like
thin
air
between
the
different
thing
is
completely
different.
It's
based
on
our
experience,
it's
based
on
our
background,
what
you've
done
in
the
past.
All
of
that
has
a
massive
impact
when
you're
attacking
or
adding,
let's
say,
free
text
metadata
on
things,
yeah.
B
B
A
A
A
A
A
That's
a
separate
discussion:
let's
do
some
articles
just
double
check
and
do
you
have
a
hard
stop
1/2
hour
if
you
go
a
few
minutes
on
No?
Ok!
So,
but
let's
go
to
the
articles,
my
articles
and
let's
get
back
on
the
discussions
lightly
and
just
making
sure
that
we
we
go
through
some
of
this
week's
news
as
well.
So
let
me
share
my
screen.
We
go
first,
go
to
the
SPS
events
and
we
start
by
Salt
Lake,
Microsoft,
365
Friday,
so
SPS
mating
trip
on
Saturday,
but
I.
A
Think
anyway,
ship
on
Saturdays
are
evolving
to
be
much
more
than
just
SharePoint,
which
is
a
good
thing
and
that's
a
a
natural
transition
as
we
move
along
to
this
cloud,
which
is
growing
and
there's
multiple
services
there
this
anyway,
a
massive
amount
of
speakers
and
a
big
schedule
on
the
SharePoint.
Sorry.
A
A
A
A
Need
to
get
some
sleep
sleep
more
sleep
more
anyway,
so
that's
happening
on
the
next
Saturday
and
in
four
days
as
well
and
there's
an
MVPs
and
and
familiar
speakers
here
as
well.
So
if
you
own
that
region
and
go
and
check
it
out
some
news
and
we
have
a
SharePoint
roadmap,
it's
top
January
2020
and
there's
always
the
interest
own
article,
this
time
with
Nicole
and
then
and
the
latest
news.
So
she
upon
base
version
history.
This
is
actually
really
really
cool
because
it
shows
you.
A
B
B
B
A
So
we
did
cover
that
in
ignite,
but
I,
don't
think
we've
been
super
super,
let's
say
volcko
on
it.
One
thing
which
we
were
quite
vocal
last
week
was
the
customer
search
result
page,
which
relates
on
the
unless
discussion
as
well.
So,
basically,
you
are
able
to
in
a
site
collection,
level
and
you're
able
to
say
that
whenever
do
you
do
a
search,
you
will
not
be
redirected
on
the
normal
underscore
layouts
page,
which
is
a
static
page,
well
not
static,
but
you
can't
Maura
fix
this
yeah.
A
You
can
actually
build
your
custom
experience
and
and
like
called
out
in
here
as
well,
we
do
have
BMP
webparts
available,
who
has
to
have
a
look
on
toast
in
a
second
more
data,
but
really
nice
experience
quite
widely
request
that
as
well-
and
there
are
few
things
made
potentially
to
be
aware-
you
need
to
this-
is
actually
a
site
collection
level
setting
not
a
tenant
level
setting.
You
can
actually
do
things
using
default
site,
designs
and
all
of
that
stuff
which
we
cover
in
some
of
the
videos.
A
But
it's
did
you
to
actually
control
this
in
a
site
level,
so
that
collection,
level,
sorry
most
extreme
office,
365,
video
retirements,
so
office,
resist
by
video,
is
going
to
be
recharged
replaced
with
Microsoft
stream.
There's
an
ongoing.
If
we,
if
you
think
about
this,
a
shipment
at
weekly,
there's
an
ongoing
discussions
related
on
api's.
Those
are
coming
at
sooner
or
later
as
well.
In
its
resizing.
A
B
A
A
B
A
A
Do
that's
a
really
really
good
point,
actually
email
notifications
of
comments
and
mentions
in
bird
powerful
excels,
so
somebody
has
mentioned
to
you
in
the
comments
news
article
highlights
shape
on
sites
highly
regulated,
okay,
so
that's
more
on
the
legal
side
of
the
house.
New
features
coming
off
histories,
it's
five
app
launcher
and
office
365,
so
basically
more
flexibility
on
the
on
the
settings
and
tacking
those
windows.
Seven
entries
end
of
support.
Okay,
that's
good
to
know
that
mentioning
data
here
as
well
and.
A
I
think
that
much
new
on
top
of
that,
so
a
lot
of
new
stuff
anyway,
in
here
related
on
the
search
results
thing
just
a
call-out.
We
have
the
BMP
modern
search
solution
and
these
are
actually
web
parts
which
gives
you
the
flexibility
of
creating,
let's
say
completely
custom
or
an
experience
almost
like
in
the
classic,
and
they
are
really
really
flexible
and
we
are
working
on
additional
guidance
and
and
an
improved
documentation
in
here
as
well.
A
Frank
coronary
has
been
leading
this
together
with
me,
coil
and
torold
and
few
others,
and
it
is
an
open
source
solution,
so
you're
able
to
contribute
that
as
well
in
github.
Now
the
one
small
thing,
what
we're
missing
actually
right
now
in
the
documentation,
though,
is,
is
that
it
doesn't
actually
tell
you
how
to
get
started,
which
is
it's
it's
more
development
oriented.
So
we
need
to
actually
address
that
in
the
documentation
but
I
recorded
yesterday.
A
Yes,
not
yesterday,
last
Friday,
a
quick
video
related
on
getting
started
on
using
using
the
custom
search
result
based
in
SharePoint
Online
and
basically,
how
would
I
do
that?
How
do
I
control
that?
How
do
I
create
the
site
pages
and
then
how
do
I
install
the
BMP
reports
in
and
how
do
I
get
rid
of,
for
example,
the
header
section
as
well,
which,
by
the
way
whole
thing,
because
you
are
able
to
fully
control
the
layout
as
well?
So
with
every
request.
A
This
is
intelligent
in
transcelerator
workshop
locations,
2020
and
so
for
a
latest
and
greatest
guidance
and
workshop
for
how
you
build
intelligence,
intranets
delivered
by
Microsoft
employees
and
there's
multiple
locations
of
Washington
DC
Dubai
Australia
San,
Francisco,
Singapore,
Copenhagen,
Amsterdam,
Hong,
Kong
Chicago,
with
Germany
Stockholm
that
was
forward
to
Hong
Kong.
Yes,.
A
And
I'm
pretty
sure
that
we're
looking
into
releasing
obviously
the
material
and
everything
else
for
the
for
the
externals
to
redeliver,
because
I
think
that's
the
easiest
way
to
scale
also
in
the
worldwide
couch.
What
else
announced
in
PM,
PJs,
2.0
JavaScript
libraries
such
as
one
zero
is
out,
makes
basically
development
of
any
extensibility
in
SharePoint.
Online
really
really
easy.
So,
rather
than
knowing
the
rest
queries,
you
can
actually
just
do
dot
dot,
dot
and
I
mean
you're
fighting
stuff.
So
absolutely.
B
Like
avoid
typos
in
the
rest,
strings
the
URLs
and
get
compilation,
time
feedback
whenever
there
is
something
wrong-
and
this
is
just
make
perfect
sense,
especially
when
you
want
to
go
beyond
give
me
a
web
title
the
moment
you
want
to
do
more
with
the
data
the
moment
you
want
to
batch
request,
like
you,
don't
want
to
be
doing
dead
by
yourself,
so
this
API
is
probably
the
way
to
communicate
with
sharepoint
from
any
client-side
application.
Yeah.
A
Makes
makes
perfect
sense,
good,
just
quick
updates
on
their
investigation
for
seems
nine
changes
in
chrome.
So
this
is
something
we
wanted
to
call
out.
There's
this
few
different
kind
of
a
pretty
recent
development,
so
there's
the
chrome
is
actually
doing
changes
on
a
default
behavior
on
the
same
site
handling.
We
also
seen
that
somewhat
to
provide
a
host
that
add-ins
are
having
issues
related
in
Apps,
Script
ports
and
the
session
state,
and
all
of
these
can
be
actually
controls
and
configured
in
the
app
config.
A
So
there
are
guidance
and
and
steps
how
to
address
all
of
this
stuff.
But
if
you
run
into
these
within
your
extensibility,
please
be
aware:
guidance
is
available
myself
craft
powershell
preview
now
in
powershell
gallery
from
Carol
Miller.
So
basically
the
Microsoft
graph
modules
are
now
available.
So
if
you
configure
or
if
you
operate
against
any
of
the
systems
which
are
is
closed
by
myself
craft
and
that
has
an
API,
you
can
actually
use
now
and
this
PowerShell
module
to
operate
that
that's
pretty
cool.
A
B
Version
so
we
have
you
version
of
CLI
like
every
month.
We
aim
to
release
a
version,
I,
don't
think
we've
ever
missed
a
month,
but
maybe
around
vacation
times
anyways.
We
introduced
a
bunch
of
new
commands
for
reporting
to
usage
in
SharePoint.
We
have
commands
that
allow
you
to
export
groups
in
Yammer,
remove
extensions
in
Microsoft
graph,
export,
connectors
in
power,
apps
and
flow,
and
also
we've
added
some
improvements
around
the
completion
of
commands
in
command
line,
and
this
is
really
cool.
B
B
Like
name
starts
with
X
or
they
are
enabled
or
not-
and
we've
added
the
same
query
support
in
CLI
here
so
that
whatever
you
get,
whether
you
get
size
or
connectors
or
Yammer
groups
or
reports
or
anything,
you
can
filter
the
output,
but
by
whatever
property
is
there
available.
So
we
have
some
some
Doc's
included
for
that
explain
what
you
can
do,
how
it
works,
how
to
start
all
of
that
is
included
in
Doc's.
A
Cool
cute
and
then
moving
on
on
the
journey,
PMPs
pfx
generator
is
now
having
its
own
Twitter
account.
So,
if
you're
interested
on
what's
having
their
eye,
what's
happening
there
and
subscribe
on
that
one
as
Stephan
power
is
leading
this
effort,
and
basically
it
is
an
extended
SPF,
X
yeoman
generator
on
top
of
Tata
box,
one
which
gives
you
the
additional
settings
and
things
to
all
the
mate
and
make
your
life
easier
as
a
developer,
and
this
one
is
also
interesting.
Let
me
actually
zoom
in
so.
A
We
made
some
changes
on
social
channels
for
the
latest
news
and
learnings
Mike's
rate
65
dev,
so
we're
now
kind
of
a
Crutchley
leaving
the
office
dev
365
and
office
dev
hashtags.
So
we
start
actually
stop
doing
that.
So
basically,
what
happened?
I
wasn't
even
aware
of
this,
but
you
can
I
was
educated
last
minute,
I
didn't
do
this.
You
can
actually
modify
the
account
name
nowadays
in
Twitter
yeah,
which
which
is
now
good,
so
office.
A
There
has
been
now
renamed
as
Mike's
rate
65
death
and
that's
why
all
of
the
existing
followers
are
still
remaining
there
and
we're
doing
kind
of
a
similar
kind
of
transitioning
between
the
namings
across
the
whole
course.
The
whole
thing
there's
an
ongoing
discussion,
for
example,
that
the
sharepoint
PMP
shouldn't
be
called
sharepoint
TMP,
because
we're
much
cover
much
more
than
sharepoint
and.
B
A
A
A
Thank
You
Lee
already
thank
you,
which
half-sites
thing
basically
noting
here
they
said,
there's
a
another
extension
there's
an
SPF
extension
doesn't
exist,
doesn't
exist
and-
and
this
is
clearly
a
buck.
So
please
please,
please,
if
you're
running
any
of
these
things,
always
open
up
an
SPDIF
docs
issue.
So
we
are
aware
of
this
because
we
need
to
get
all
of
this
fixed
if
these
things
happen.
A
So
thank
you,
William
for
the
details
around
that
one
generate
this
read
PDF
document
in
SPF
X,
so
basically
using
a
third-party
chasin,
PDF
plugging
to
then
have
let
me
scroll
down.
I,
have
a
Chennai
write,
PDF
button
and
then
you
are
able
to
save
a
PDF
and
based
on
clicking
that
button,
so
from
the
table
on
the
web
are
quite.
B
B
A
A
I
think,
if
you
don't
know
what
I'm
actually
paying
over
there
back
on
last
week's
SPD
weekly
and
have
a
look
custom
service,
SPO
using
out-of-the-box
features
and
open-source
web
parts
from
Veronique
really
good
to
walk
through,
basically
on
the
building.
The
custom,
experiences
and
custom
search
results
and
using
the
empty,
modern
search
web
forms
so
basically
walking
through
the
whole
experience
and.
B
A
Think
we
have
a
good
end
result
of
what
you
can
have,
so
that's
one
way
of
actually
showing
the
end
results,
there's
multiple
ways
of
rendering
the
results
and
then
having
refiners
like
we
did
have
in
the
past
as
well,
using
the
BMP
reports
and
pretty
cool
and
a
final
note
from
mark
related
on
this
one.
Sp
tear
ducts.
If
you
are
familiar
with
the,
but
do
this,
we
started
creating
Marcus,
leaving
this
creating
a
kind
of
a
used,
it's
joke.
A
So
how
could
I
put
it
non,
dev,
guidance
for
SharePoint
and
now
SharePoint
topics,
while
back
in
a
github
repository
and
Marcus
Connors,
leading
that
now
there's
a
new
movement
related
on
that
one,
so
we
are
relocated
and
that
documentation
is
already
relocated
to
a
new
Keith
hub
repository
location,
which
is
actually
in
my
stuff.
Docs
and
Mike's
raises
to
fight
community.
And
what
we're
looking
to
do
here
is
that
pretty
soon
we
are
proposing
all
of
these
documents
in
the
docs
that
Microsoft
calm
using
a
pretty
UI,
but
we'll
use
a
get
up
behind.
A
It
seems
that's
the
source
and
then
those
who
contribute
they
will
get
acknowledged
on
the
way
monthly
basis
and
all
that
so
kind
of
a
similar
model.
What
we've
been
doing
in
the
dev
side,
but
obviously
extending
that
to
none
death
areas
well
cute,
and
that's
it
for
the
articles-
a
lot
of
stuff
this
week
so
good
to
see
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
new
stuff
and
let's
actually
just
sum
up,
what's
gonna
happen
this
week?
Are
you
gonna
stay
at
home
and
I?
Guess
you're
traveling
quite
a
lot?
A
C
A
C
A
C
A
Used
I
think
I'm
back
in
when
was
a
2010
timeframe,
I
think
I
was
traveling
26
weeks
in
a
year,
so
half
of
the
year,
basically
away
not
anymore,
though
no
and
bike
fast.
The
fact
that
technology
has
evolved
so
much,
and
nowadays
it's
really
seriously
feels
like
we're
sitting
on
the
same
room.
So
it
doesn't
really
matter
so
I'm.
B
A
B
A
B
It's
like
yes,
it
involves
and
we've
come
a
long
way
still
like.
There
are
so
many
things
like
the
audio,
the
mics,
the
conference
room.
The
table
doesn't
work,
the
speakers
yeah,
it's
it
is
plus
plus.
We
need
to
fly
collectively
less
because
of
the
carbon
negative.
Absolutely
absolutely
you
and
Microsoft.
You
are
example
right.
You
need
to
fly
less,
yes,.