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In this installment of the weekly discussion revolving around the latest news and topics on Microsoft 365, host – Vesa Juvonen (Microsoft) | @vesajuvonen and Waldek Mastykarz (Microsoft) | @waldekm are joined by India-based developer, Microsoft 365 Consultant and MVP - Smita Nachan | @SmitaNachan
An engaging conversation with accomplished developer, author, contributor, speaker, MVP, traveler, and community organizer. Also covered - career growth, community and open-source value, staying up to date on technology and more.
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00:00 – Intro
01:31 – Interview
40:22 – Closing
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A
B
You're
100
correct
anyway,
we're
not
gonna
record
next
week.
I
I
need
to
that's
a
Family
Promise
as
well,
so
yeah
cute
good.
We
have
a
visitor
today.
Who's
meeting
is,
is
a
MVP
Microsoft
racist
developer
MVP
and
has
been
closely
involved.
So,
let's
jump
directly
on
that
interview
has
been
closely
involved.
That
was
weird
has
been
closely
involved
in
the
community
things
now.
It
makes
more
sense
right.
B
Let's
jump
to
the
interview
with
Smita
and
talk
about
her
career
and
the
the
influence
of
community
and
open
source
and
other
areas
within
her
world,
but
let's
jump
on
there
welcome
Smitty.
Ask
me
time:
sorry
for
the
PMP
weekly
weekly
weekly,
so
I
can't
remember
what
episode
we
are
on
doesn't
really
matter
we'll
focus
on
you
on
this
episode
now
Smita.
Can
you
do
a
quick
interest
who
you
are
and
where?
What
do
you
do
for
a
living?
Let's
start
from.
A
Believe
sharing
is
caring
and
to
leave
that
I
organize
as
well
as
speak
at
various
events
like
SPS,
then
this
Power
Platform
bootcamp,
then
Microsoft
365,
developer,
bootcamp,
I'm,
also
active
contributor
in
this
open
source
projects
in
PNP
and
I
have
contributed
some
of
the
reusable
code.
Samples
for
the
community
and
I
always
like
to
keep
myself
up
to
date
with
the
Microsoft
latest
technology,
so
whatever
things
are
happening
in
a
Microsoft
I
always
like
to
keep
myself
that
updated.
A
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
move
ahead
and
we'll
like
to
share
some
of
the
more
things
about
what
exactly
I
am
doing
so
I
love,
development
and
I'm.
Stick
to
the
development
side.
Only
so
I've
done
a
lot
of
development
in
SharePoint,
not
only
in
SharePoint,
but
I
have
done
in
a
teams.
Also
about
from
that.
Yes,
I
have
done
some
of
the
app
development
in
powerapps.
A
Also
I
have
a
power
bi
experience,
and,
apart
from
that,
I
have
a
basic
knowledge
of
service
now
also
so
when
it
comes
to
the
SharePoint,
I
have
done
in
spfx
a
lot
of
development
in
a
web
pass
as
well
as
the
extensions
and
while
doing
that
development.
Some
of
the
development
I
did
from
scratch
and
for
some
I've
used
already
the
whatever
the
code
which
we
have
available
or
the
web
parts
available
in
our
open
source
repository
and
on
top
of
that
I
have
done
some
of
the
customization
for
the
teams.
A
I
have
done
a
various
development
in
adaptive
cards
then
for
some
of
the
usage
reports,
then
the
custom
apps,
then
I
have
done
some
of
the
development
of
the
chatbot.
Then
the
power
bi
reports
for
the
teams,
then
the
analysis
of
the
apps
and
then
the
Microsoft
viewer
connections.
Also,
then,
I
have
also
work
on
how
we
can
just
develop
the
whatever
the
existing
functionality
we
have
in
SharePoint
how
we
can
just
take
it
to
the
teams
that
time
of
development
also
have
done
handled.
A
That
type
of
things
also-
and
apart
from
that,
how
we
can
just
do
this
PowerApp
integration
with
the
teams
that
I've
also
done,
then
I've
done
a
lot
of
InfoPath
customization
in
sorry,
InfoPath,
modernization
in
powerapps,
then
I've
created
so
many
reports
in
power
bi.
Also
apart
from
that
I
have
done
all
type
of
most
of
the
type
of
automations.
A
So
we
are
running
one
Community,
which
is
called
as
a
Pune
Tech
Community,
and
it
is
a
great
Community
for
the
peoples
who
love
to
work
with
the
Microsoft
Technology,
and
our
objective
is
clearly
to
improve
the
collaboration,
productivity,
knowledge
sharing
and
the
platform
for
Community
contributors,
and
we
are
founded
in
almost
in
2020.
So
soon
we
will
complete
the
three
years.
We
have
almost
three
thousand
plus
active
members.
B
B
A
So
the
first
thing
is:
whenever
you
have
to
closely
work
with
the
communities.
Another
thing:
whenever
there
is
some
of
the
hackathon
or
someone
is
watching
any
type
of
code,
competition
always
make
sure
that
you
are
participating
in
it.
It
it's
not
always
necessary
that
hundred
percent.
You
have
to
complete
that
thing.
Sometimes
you
get
stuck
that's
also,
okay,
but
at
least
try.
Another
thing
is:
whenever
there
is
ignite
or
there
is
a
build
or
don't
skip,
it
always
attend
it,
and
the
main
important
thing
keep
up
to
date
with
Microsoft
learn.
A
That's
really
very
important,
because
if
you
want
to
keep
yourself
updated,
then
you
have
to
just
go
through
this.
Microsoft
learn
Microsoft,
providing
a
lot
of
good
information,
so
you
can
do
practice
a
lot
using
that
Microsoft
learn
and
the
best
thing
in
Microsoft
learn
is,
for
example,
let's
take
an
example
of
Microsoft
Azure.
If
you
don't
have
an
environment,
then
also
it
is
providing
you
a
Sandbox
environment
for
some
type
of
some
type
of
duration.
A
A
B
A
B
A
No,
it
was
yeah,
it
was
not
turned
into
a
objective.
There
is
a
story
behind
that,
as
you
already
know
that
I
work
with
the
Finnish
customers
and
one
day
one
of
my
finished
customer.
They
invited
me
in
Sweden
for
to
attend
the
ignite
and
then
fortunately,
I
attended
all
the
female
speaker
sessions
only
at
that
time,
and
it
was
my
little
bit
of
Interest,
also
because
I
wanted
to
see
that
how
they
are
representing
and
how
they
are
communicating
with
the
others,
and
that
gives
me
really
a
very
good
idea.
A
Then,
when
I
come
back
to
India
at
that
time,
also
I
was
just
doing
the
small
contribution,
but
you
can
say
back
the
stage.
It
was
not
all
visible
and
at
the
same
time
there
was
SPS
Ahmedabad
and
I
got
an
invitation
from
the
kirti
prajapati.
Who
has
given
me
the
opportunity
to
represent
myself
and
that
time,
I've
decided.
Okay
and
I
did
a
pair
up
with
my
brother
and
I
asked
him
hey
bro,
you
just
go
with
all
the
theory.
A
Parts
and
I
will
just
sit
in
somewhere
or
I
will
just
stand
there
and
then
I
will
just
take
care
of
the
coding.
Part
I
will
give
a
demo,
and
after
that
I
got
more
more
opportunity.
It
was
again
for
the
SPs
Bangalore
and
it
was
you
know:
Microsoft
Office,
only
Microsoft
Bangalore
office,
and
that
time
I've
decided.
Okay.
Now
it's
not
only
for
the
code
part,
let's
try
both
the
combination
of
the
code
and
theory
and
then
I
got
really
very
nice
feedback
from
everyone
from
others
and
after
sessions.
A
Also
so
many
people
tag
me
on
a
LinkedIn
that
give
me
a
really
very
good
feedback
from
all
of
my
attendees
and
after
that,
I
started
doing
the
contribution
contribution
contribution.
Then
I
started
doing
the
contribution
in
open
source
project.
Pnp
CLI
I
started
developing
the,
but
previously
also
I
was
doing,
but
I
was
giving
it
to
myself.
Only
then
I
decided
okay,
whatever
I'm
doing,
let's
give
it
to
the
community
and
then
I
become
a
MVP.
C
Cool
cool
so
yeah,
how?
How
did
you
experience
like
what
was
your
first
thought
about?
Well,
as
you
said,
you
worked
for
yourself
first
and
then
at
some
point
you
said
you
know
what
like
I'm
gonna
work
in
the
open.
How
was
how?
How
did
you
go
through
that
step
and
what
kind
of
thinking
went
went
through
it.
A
Yeah,
it
was
really
very
nice
thing,
I
will
say,
and
it
increases
a
lot
of
my
knowledge,
because
when
I
said
that
you
know
starting
I
was
just
doing
for
myself
only
for
my
practices,
then
there
was
no
one
to
do
some
type
of
validation.
So
there
was
no
one
to
provide
me
some
guidance
and
when
I
started
with
this
open
source,
then
or
it
always
get
validated
from
moderator,
so
it
got
validated
from
the
my
moderators
I
come
to
know
about
some
more
best
practices.
B
Yeah
yeah
was
there
a
quote:
there's
probably
still
a
kind
of
a
bit
of
a
scary
moment
of
making
that
first
submission
and
then
getting
through
that
so
that
that's
do
you
have
them
related
on
that
one?
Do
you
actually
have
kind
of
any
tips
for
anybody,
because
we
can
imagine
that
there's
quite
a
few
people
who,
like
building
their
own
stuff,
but
no,
is
it
a
worthwhile
and
I?
C
A
Only
so
whenever
you
are
doing-
and
you
don't
have
any
of
the
company
first
check-
that
if
you
have
any
of
your
colleagues
or
any
of
your
friends
with
whom
you
can
just
do
this
together,
so
you
will
be
a
bit
relaxed
on
that
part
and
if
you
are
not,
if
you
are
doing
it
alone,
then
also
I
will
say:
go
ahead,
do
it
some
of
them
and
also
in
community.
We
have
some
of
the
guidelines
we
have
all
the
supports
are
available.
A
So
if
you
don't
know
how
to
do
that,
there
are
so
many
forums.
So
in
that
Forum
you
can
just
ask
your
questions
and
while
doing
this
course
opinion
everything,
if
you
are
facing
some
of
the
issues,
then
also
you
can
just
reach
out
to
the
moderator.
Then,
after
reviewing
your
code,
definitely
the
moderator
will
provide
you
some
of
the
updates
just
work
on
it.
Just
don't
don't
afraid
that
if
it
will
get
rejected
or
anything
just
just
do
it.
B
A
C
B
What
you're
talking
about,
and
what
are
we
talking
about
again
anyway,
but
yeah?
So
that's
that's
actually
just
do
it
is
a
good
way
of
approaching
things
and,
and
the
community
is
is
typically
especially
if
you
see
I
would
say
that
if
you
see
an
open
source
Community,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
the
PMP
one
or
the
Microsoft,
365
or
or
it
could
be
Azure.
It
could
be
python,
it
could
be
whatever.
B
But
if
the
community
is
active
and
you
see
that
people
are
submitting
pull
requests,
that
typically
means
that
the
community
is
also
welcoming
so
pretty
fast.
You
can
see
from
the
amount
of
features
and
pull
requests,
that
is
it
actually
active
or
not,
and
if
it
is
typically
that
means
that
people
are
more
than
welcoming
contributions
and
and
other
people
to
share
things
so
and.
A
C
A
C
B
So
to
start
a
career
yesterday,
if
you
think
about
the
the
open
source
and
community
and
I
know
that
Smitha
you've
been
around
and
helping
us
a
lot
with
the
community
and
helping
a
lot
of
people,
but
but
has
it
truly
helped
your
career
as
well?
Is
there
a
benefit?
Yes
over
just
sharing
is
caring
is.
A
Yeah,
it's
not
about
only
the
sharing
and
sharing
it's
occurring,
but
apart
from
that,
only
that,
okay,
sometimes
you
work,
and
you
have
your
own
perspective
also,
but
when
you
work
in
a
community,
you
come
to
know.
Okay,
what
are
the
points
from
other
points
of
view?
Then
you
can
just
check
that
and
as
per
that,
you
can
just
do
the
Improvement
in
yourself
and
also
when
you
work
in
this
corporate
life,
then
there
might
be
some
of
the
Restriction
also,
but
when
you
work
in
a
community
there
are
no
restrictions.
A
Also,
you
can
see
what
others
have
done.
The
development
you
can
just
take
an
idea
from
that,
and
definitely
you
can
just
suggest
in
your
organization,
as
I
said
when
I
had
done,
the
lot
of
spfx
development
in
the
starting
I
was
doing
everything
from
this
scratch,
but
later
on,
I
literally
took
this
list
form
and
other
web
Parts,
also
from
the
PNP
and
top
of
that
I've
done
the
customization.
It
saves
the
times
also,
and
it
gives
you
some
more
opportunities
where
you
can
just
get
more
Hands-On.
Also
yeah.
B
A
B
A
B
Absolutely
and
I
I
I,
like
the
fact
that
the
the
the
first
thing,
which
came
to
your
mind,
is
that
the
the
diversity
and
understanding
because
diversity
always
increases
the
different
views
and
perspective,
and
that's
not
in
in
software
development.
It's
not
necessarily
always
absolute
academically,
yes
or
no.
It's
not.
A
B
B
B
B
A
Yeah,
so
the
first
thing
I
will
say
that
whenever
you
get
any
of
the
opportunity,
don't
say
no
first
get
that
opportunity
and
then
later
I'll
learn
how
to
do
that.
Any
opportunity
can
be
converted
into
a
big
opportunity.
So
don't
compare
that
any
opportunity.
Small
opportunity
in
the
starting
I
have
started
working
in
a
support
only
so
it
was
like
okay,
you're
working
in
some
of
the
servicenow
tickets.
You
are
getting
and
you're
just
solving
some
of
the
tickets
and
then
from
there
you
can
just
find
some
of
the
bugs.
A
B
Yeah
yeah,
that's
that's,
actually,
a
quite
a
common
path:
I
I
I
I
used
to
do
a
first
maintenance
of
software
projects
when
I
started
in
my
career
in
proper
IIT
back
in
many
many
months
ago,
in
ICL
or
for
YouTube
at
the
time,
but
it
basically
it
was
a
crate
to
have
something
to
support
and
maintain.
And
that's
that's
what
I
mean
coming
through
the
support
path
is,
is
interesting
because
then
you
see
so
many
different
ways
of
doing
things.
You
see
good
ways
of
doing
bad.
C
A
C
B
B
Increase
his
productivity
that
at
least
gives
you
a
starting
point,
which
is
great
so
and
I
think
that's
that's
the
same
for
the
code
as
well.
I
think
the
I
still
love
the
the
meme
or
somebody
wrote
in
Twitter
I.
Think
it's
doing
circling
around
by
quoting
by
a
lot
of
people
that
that
there
was
this
Ai
and
co-pilot
is
dependent
on
customer.
Defining
their
requirements
in
a
clear
text
will
be
safe,
yeah.
C
Really
also
hard
right,
like
imagine,
that
you're
building
a
house
the
first
time
in
your
life,
do
you
know
all
requirements.
Of
course
not
it's
the
same
thing
right.
It's
really
hard,
especially
with
apps.
It's
really
abstract
too,
like
you
kind
of
know
what
you
want
when
you
see
it
and
you
use
it,
but
how
do
you
get
there?
Well,
you
iterate,
you
have
an
idea,
you
kind
of
express
it
hope
for
the
best
you
see
like
no,
no
I
didn't
mean
that
yep
trying
to
go
from
there
sure.
B
A
Yes,
definitely
everything
is
properly
managed,
so
in
the
morning
I
ideally
go
to
the
gym
from
Monday
to
Saturday.
That
is,
the
fix.
Sunday
is
the
race
day
and
then
I
love,
traveling,
I
travel
a
lot
I
mean
every
weekend
I'm
somewhere.
You
will
not
see
me
at
home
and
I,
like
some
sports,
so
I
like
playing
Canon
with
my
dad
and
a
badminton
with
yes
yeah.
So.
B
B
A
B
C
B
B
B
B
B
C
Locations
right
I
mean
even
before
then
I
would
I
wouldn't
go.
I
mean
I've,
been
a
few
places.
I've
been
to
Turkey
I've
been
to
the
US
I've
been
to
Italy
I've
Been
to
Spain,
but
still
I
haven't
seen
like
it's
not
not
like,
like
folks
in
the
US.
Have
these
like
a
romantic
dream
that
here
here
in
Europe,
we
just
jump
on
the
train
on
a
plane
and
you're
like
within
an
hour
you're
in
Portugal
and
then
you're
in
like
I.
Don't
do
that
I've
never
done!
Maybe
I'm
I'm
holding
it
wrong.
B
B
B
Yeah
coming
in
September
already
so
yeah,
that's
true
and
and
to
be
fair,
Helsinki
and
Finland
Works
in
a
way
that
nothing
happens
on
summertime,
because
everybody
is
on
the
on
their
Countryside
and
their
Country,
Village
and
cottages,
and
all
of
that
so
enjoying
the
summer
so
and
especially
I
think
it's
the
same
in
Sweden
as
well,
so
the
in
the
U.S.
We
have
this
weird
another
series:
a
lot
of
USB
some
people.
Listen
to
this,
that
after
Thanksgiving
there's
this
weird
one
and
a
half
months.
B
B
B
C
B
B
We
talked
about
the
the
user
groups
and
everything
else,
how
how
is
that
seen
in
India
and
that's
something
which
would
be
kind
of
an
interesting
to
also
understand
because,
of
course,
there's
a
lot
of
people.
There's
a
lot
of
I.T
people.
There's
a
lot
of
big
companies
in
Pune
in
in
other
areas
as
well.
How
active
is
the
community
in
in
the
India
or
is
it
always
watching
what's
happening
outside
or.
C
A
B
A
I
think
it's
a
great
that
everyone
has
taken
that
initiative
and
everyone
started
doing
the
collaboration
with
other
countries.
Also,
that's
really
very
good
thing.
So
now
you
can.
We
cannot
say
that,
okay,
it
is
only
country
specific,
but
yes,
actively.
We
are
doing
a
collaboration
with
the
different
countries,
also
with
the
different
user
groups.
Also
and
with
that
we
are
organizing,
so
many
events.
So
some
events
we
are
organizing
in
person
and
some
are
virtually
also.
C
A
Yeah,
so
it's
totally
depend
upon
company
to
company,
because
some
companies
don't
have
any
kind
of
restrictions,
so
they
are
okay,
whatever
the
peoples
are
doing
and
if
anyone
is
posting
their
company
name
on
the
social
media
or
if
anyone
is
doing
any
contribution
towards
the
open
source
project
that
also
fine,
but
one
thing
that
we
all
should
consider.
While
we
are
working
in
a
professional
world
that,
whatever
the
code
we
are
doing
inside
the
company
that
should
not
get
exposed
to
outside.
A
B
B
A
B
Actually,
a
good
point
that
that's
that's
the
classic
line
where,
in
between
the
profile
people
have.
This
I
represent
my
my
whatever
feedback,
my
thoughts
or
my
thoughts
or
whatever
that
company
thoughts
and
but
that
should
be
kind
of
a
given
but
I
guess
in
some
certain
companies
it
has
to
be
called
out.
I
don't
know,
but
now
from
a
timing
perspective
Smith
what's
happening
this
week,
anything
interesting
without
any
company
names
or
customers,
names
or
projects
or
are
you?
Are
you
doing
community
stuff
or
what's
happening
within
the
upcoming.
A
B
C
C
Want
to
keep
sounding
like
a
broken
record
every
single
time
we
get
to
start
like
yeah
right,
so
we're
doing
that
we're
closing
in
on
the
end
of
end
of
week,
one
nonetheless,
it's
still
not
too
late
for
folks
to
join
like
whenever
you
have
an
idea
you
can
like
you
don't
need
to
like
it's
not
not
required
for
you
to
follow
everything
that
we
do.
We
appreciate
if
you
show
up,
if
you
don't,
that
is
perfectly
fine
for
your
for
you.
A
So
one
thing
I
would
like
to
highlight
over
you
over
here
that
we
have
received
so
many
positive
feedback
from
working
professional,
as
well
as
from
the
students.
So
whatever
the
meetings
you
are
currently
conducting
for
this
hackathon
and
the
way
you
are
showing
all
these
things
inner
details,
they
are
really
very
happy.
So
the
person
who
don't.
A
A
B
B
B
B
B
C
B
A
B
C
B
A
B
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
I
I,
in
technical
we
were
just
earlier
today
we
were,
and
we
have
a
few
recurrent
meetings
with
Louisa
trees
every
now
and
then
because
we're
planning
on
things
and
we're
just
agreed
on
her
that
one
of
the
the
weirdest
thing
is
that
people
who
give
the
noises
on
within
their
phones,
because
at
least
in
my
case,
like
10
years,
I've,
always
been
muted,
always
there's
no
audio.
There's.
B
Them
exactly
exactly
yes,
it's
it's
funny
how
it's
going
to
that
direction
where
it's
like
I
know,
number
yeah,
not
gonna
answer!
That's
and
there's
no
audio,
it's
just
at
some
point
of
a
career.
It's
like
no,
no
I
need
to
answer
everything.
I
need
to
be
on
top
of
everything,
and
now
it's
like
no,
no
I
I
don't
want
to,
but
yeah
I
will
not
I
will
I
will
check
out
from
teams
and
that's
a
great
idea
by
the
way.
That's
an
awesome
idea.
C
B
B
Understand
the
massive
skills
I,
don't
experience
what
you
have
across
the
different
areas
and
and
really
really
really
huge.
Thank
you
for
being
actively
involved
within
the
community
because,
again,
as
we
built
this,
it's
so
awesome
to
have
people
like
you,
sharing
your
knowledge
for
others,
because
then
others
learn
as
well,
and
then
everybody
wins
it's
it's
just
a
win-win
storyline,
which
is
always
better
but
I.
Guess
that's
it
for
this
one.
Thank
you.
Smita.
B
B
B
A
Thank
you
this
one
lasting
yes,
so
recently
we
have
started
our
community
started
attending
some
of
the
college
sessions
also
and
I
will
encourage
whoever
is
the
MVP
or
not
only
the
MVP
but
other
one
who
is
having
a
good
experience
in
technology.
Just
do
this
college
visit
and
just
whatever
the
knowledge
you
have
to
share
with
them,
we
have
done
the
same
way.
A
B
Absolutely
the
the
Bitcoin,
the
colleges
and
universities
and
edu
in
general
and
helping
people
to
understand
the
opportunities
what
we
have,
because,
even
even
though
the
AI
is
coming,
it
doesn't
mean
that
or
AI
is
more
and
more
present.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
wouldn't
need
developers.
We
absolutely
need
developers
the.
A
A
B
B
How
would
I
put
it
the
Goodwill
and
even
success
for
other
people,
because
why
would
it
be
just
about
the
individuals?
Let's
make
everybody
happy
and
successful?
So
thank
you
for
helping
and
being
a
great
Advocate
on
on
doing
that
stuff
as
well.
Now
as
we
are
recording
this
two
days
or
three
days
after
the
previous
recording,
and
what
did
we
agreed
while
related
on
articles.
C
B
B
So
we're
going
to
skip
the
Articles
this
time
we
kind
of
collect
the
Articles
a
bit
more
articles
on
the
following
one
and
let's
focus
this
time
on
on
Smita
in
interview
and
those
topics
which
were
mentioned
there.
So
there's
just
no
point
of
collecting
a
really
really
small
set
of
Articles
within
the
past
few
days,
but
that
would
mean
that
within
the
day
today,
I'm
watching
the
dates
I'm
watching
the
dates
on
20th
of
June.
C
Quite
a
few
things
to
share
too
because
by
then
we
will
close
the
hackathon,
the
team's
Global
hack,
so
we'll
have
some
more
experiences
around
that
other
than
that
yeah.
We
will
probably
have
like
it's
going
to
give
us
a
week
and
a
half,
so
we
will
definitely
have
more
articles
from
if
anything
else,
if
you've
got
something
to
share,
please
let
us
know
PNP
weekly.