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A
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your
request
is
denied
by
the
board
petitioners,
they
appeal
the
court's
decision
to
the
circuit
court
within
30
days
of
the
meeting.
We
have
well
nearly
a
full
house.
It
takes
five
votes
to
pass
a
motion.
So
if
you
needed
those
other
two
people
in
order
to
pass,
you
can
bring,
you
can
have
your
requests
delayed.
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A
C
A
D
F
A
C
C
G
H
H
That's
hanging
over
all
we
first
moved
into
the
house
was
a
good
bit
of
money
to
have
it
restored,
and
the
inspector
told
us
it
was
a
good
condition,
just
needed
a
little
a
little
care
that
was
in
the
summertime
when
we
moved
in
the
house
since
then,
we've
had
the
house
flood.
Well,
the
ceiling
flood
in
three
different
times
causing
drywall
damage
caused
some
paint
damage
one
time,
an
electrical
damage
and
every
time
that
we
did
that
happened.
H
H
Now
the
house
did
have
a
history
of
water
damage
before
but,
like
I
said,
he
said
that
was
from
a
long
time
ago
and
everything
was
corrected,
but
it
wasn't
once
we
started
living
in
there,
then
we
were
lost
the
pine
straw
and,
like
I,
guess
the
squirrels
he
make
over
the
the
ponds
falling
down
on
the
roof
kind
of
cluttering
everything
up.
So
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
remove
the
tree
and
then
I
haven't
talked
to
Russell
stringer,
replace
two
new
pantries
away
from
the
house
and
locations
that
he
said.
B
B
Nice
setting
I
just
hate
to
see
that
nice
pine
tree,
which
is
part
of
the
character
the
neighborhood,
be
removed,
see
the
pictures
and
recognize
the
damage
is
all
of
the
damage
here
saying
that
shown
here.
Pictures
of
what
has
happened
since
Craig
moved
in
so
in
July
another
none
of
this
existed.
Neither.
H
Did
it
I've
been
three
times
in
six
months
and
I
mean
and
some
of
his
pictures
you
actually
come
to
show.
You
see
the
water
dripping
from
the
window
panes
and
there,
and
there
was
before
he
moved
and
there's
a
receipt
from
professional
cleaners
that
we
had
coming
out
cleaning
and
they
charge
us
extra
for
the
pond
start
naval
and
because
it
sound.
H
H
G
Darby,
first
with
the
old,
clever
girl
association,
you
know
it's
working
through
this,
and
the
previous
owner
has
come
come
before
y'all
to
wanted
to
review,
remember,
put
the
whole
back
side
as
metal
roof
and
then
use
those
tiles
to
fix
the
front
and
that
was
turned
down,
and
then
I
think
he
ended
up
selling
it.
But
if
you
look
in
what
the
inspector
said,
I
mean
he's
got
on
here
on
the
roof
on
4f
that
it
needs
attention.
G
They're
broken
tiles,
that
this
flashing
is
sealed
with
concrete,
which
is
going
to
have
to
be
maintained
and
I.
Think
we've
already
determined
that
there
are
no
concrete
tiles
that
can
be
used
for
replacement
purposes
anywhere
on
the
entire
earth.
So
when
this
roof
goes,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
replaced
with
something
else.
G
H
I,
don't
if
you
remember,
but
August
September,
we
went
through
a
pretty
not
like
right
now
we
went
through
a
DRA
spill
where
it
didn't
rain
for
probably
about
two
months
and
and
comic
relief
added.
It
was
halftime
of
the
LSU
Auburn
game
where
it
started
flooding
and
that
was
okay
as
an
Auburn
fan
to
walk
away
from
that.
But
then
it
happened
once
then
and
then
somewhere
around
the
new
year.
It
happened
a
second
time.
H
This
time
is
in
the
center
of
the
house,
which
caused
a
little
electrical
issue
and
then
probably
a
lot
of
rich
flooded
the
past
couple
of
weeks,
but
about
two
weeks
ago
we
had
another
place
and
every
time
you
have
to
get
up
there
and
crawl
up
there
and
clean
it
out,
I'm
Michael
pace
might
eat
up
to
every
two
weeks.
I
mean
it's
me
getting
up
there
and
doing
it
and
I
just
don't
think
most
roof
should
be
cleaned
every
two
weeks.
B
B
C
B
B
B
A
I
H
D
D
D
D
H
D
D
H
K
My
name
is
Sierra
and
I'm
requesting
permission
to
remove
a
pecan
tree
that
currently
sits
about
less
than
five
feet
from
my
house.
It's,
as
you
probably
can
tell
from
the
pictures
it's
been
pruned
in
such
a
way
that
it
'angels
all
towards
one
side
which
currently
hangs
over
my
carport
and
drops
pecans
onto
the
car.
So
I
cannot
utilize
my
core
port
as
it
stands,
and
it
also
interferes
with
the
fifths.
So
I
would
like
permission
to
take
it
down.
K
B
K
Don't
at
the
time
I
filled
out
the
application.
Our
HOA
is
very
new,
in
fact
it
just
formed
this
month
and
so
at
the
time
I
felt
out
the
application
I
figured
it
would
be.
You
know,
nice
of
me
to
kind
of
ask
them.
If
I,
you
know
what
plans
I
had
to
replace
it.
I
am
fully
open
to
replacing
it
with
anything.
That's
not
nut.
Bearing
and
hanging
over
my
carport.
K
B
I
L
L
A
F
A
G
A
B
C
C
A
E
C
C
A
The
children,
the
poor,
would
like
to
go
on
record
in
saying
that
she
does
not
find
the
Khans
dropping
on
your
driveway
to
be
a
reasonable
excuse
to
take
on
a
tree.
You're
gonna
have
to
come
up
with
something
else:
I,
don't
like
bird
droppings
on
my
car
either,
but
I'm
not
recommending
that
we
take
out
all
the
birds
she.
C
F
Species
pecans
I
knew
there
were
more
than
one
specie.
I
grew
up
with
the
country's
living
and
parking
underneath
them
in
my
entire
life.
But
am
I
you.
A
F
L
This
particular
pecan
tree,
unlike
many
of
its
neighbors
in
the
hood,
actually
has
good
form.
It's
got
a
single
staying,
a
single
leader.
That's
then,
this
structurally
sound
must
be
constantly
see
the
break
of
part
or
the.
You
know
they
got
four
or
five
trunks
and
they
pull
against
you.
This
one's
got
any
single
stem
and
I.
Don't
consider
that
a
hazard
I
wouldn't
park
under
because
it's
gonna
track
the
small
branch
or
two
but
I.
L
A
L
F
It
also
appears
that
this
driveway
leads
to
the
backyard
with
the
garage.
Is
that
right,
yes,
tree
with
net
meet
a
better
place
to
park
rather
than
park
in
the
driveway,
where
a
tree
might
drop
off
the
car
or
a
guarantee
birds
were
going
to
light
in
that
tree
and
eat
those
things
up
and
and
that'll
be
fine.
I've
lived
through
that
a
lot.
G
Before
strong
Cloverdale
association,
here's
hoping
the
third
time
is
the
charm
we
don't
feel
it
should
come
down.
I
mean
it's
toward
the
end
of
the
driveway.
No
one's
gonna
park
there
they're
gonna
park
in
the
back
and
I
probably
have
to
wash
my
car
twice
twice
a
week
when
the
SAP
starts
dropping
for
my
oak
tree.
So.
F
J
That's
right:
this
is
a
duplex
and
there's
a
driveway
on
one
side.
It's
just
the
two
ribbons
of
concrete.
On
the
other
side,
it
just
I
guess
they
had
just
graveled
and
we're
just
pulling
across
the
curb
in
the
past.
You
could
see
it
in
the
aerial
the
Google
picture,
but
I
just
want
to
do
a
proper,
curb
cut
and
do
the
two
ribbon
driveway
just
to
match
the
other
side.
A
J
It's
it's
this.
This
is
the
street
view,
so
this
was
a
while
back.
It's
completely
grown
over
now
the
left
side
here
and
that's
actually
not
even
a
curb
cut.
You
can't
tell
that
the
old
curbs
are
just
pushed
down
so
far
from
people
driving
over
them,
so
it
appears
to
be
a
driveway,
but
it's
really
in
fact,
there
is
something
break
there,
but
I
have
not
even
seen
that
until
I
saw
this
picture,
it's
so
grown
out
there
right
now.
So
when
I
get
into
it,
there
may
be
a
brick
draft
right.
C
A
C
J
J
B
C
A
B
L
Sir
I
can
and
I
don't
mind
being
forthright
with
that.
We
approved
to
driveway
that
wound
around
in
between
some
trees
on
thorn
place,
and
we
discussed
the
negative
impact
it
would
had
on
there
on
that
and
the
owner
promised
that
it
would
not
two
years
later,
every
tree
that
driveway
past
was
stand.
L
L
That
people
like
me,
just
get
tired
of
seeing
all
the
time
but
a
trees,
root
system
that
things
the
trees
within
the
first
18
inches
of
song.
So
when
people
say
well,
I
didn't
wrench
very
deep.
Well,
you
don't
have
to
kill
the
trigger
the
only
time
the
driveways
don't
seem
to
affect
trees
is
where
you're
redoing
an
existing
driveway,
and
that
tree
grew
up
already.
You
know
dealing
with
it
being
there
and
avoiding
it.
So.
J
F
J
A
A
F
F
A
F
G
L
C
D
A
C
I
I
apologize
first
off
I
have
seen
the
windows
changed
out
like
the
windows
I
have
around
the
neighborhood
and
had
painted
my
house
without
coming
in
front
of
this
board
in
the
past,
because
I've
lived
there
10
years
so
I
had
no
idea
that
I
needed
to
come
for
windows.
I
thought
this
was
like
four
additions
and
that
type
that,
because
I've
never
had
most
of
the
work
I've
had
done,
was
in
my
house
or
structurally
I
had
the
electrical
redone
and
that
kind
of
stuff
that
y'all
don't
really
care
about.
I
Here's
what
I'm,
having
a
problem
with
with
my
windows,
my
windows
are
so
old
that
they
are
just
starting
to
break.
The
panes
are
starting
to
break
and
I'm
constantly
replacing
panes.
Not
only
that
I
have
a
large
dog
that
I
got
from
the
humane
shelter.
It
is
a
an
escape
artist
and
he
has
busted
through
the
reason
we
changed
out.
The
windows
in
the
first
place
is
because
he
keeps
busting
through
the
windows.
Even
though
I've
changed
him
out.
I
I've
had
Brian,
ask
him:
I'll
come
out
and
Refik
and
fix
the
window
twice
already
in
the
front
that
side
window
there
where
he
tries
he
tries
to
bust
through.
So
what
I
tried
to
do
was
get
double
panes,
where
he
couldn't
bust.
Through
that
still
looked
nice
on
the
house,
obvious
I
mean
I
was
trying
for
a
nice
on
the
house,
but
if
we,
if,
knowing
that
the
windows
won't
open,
the
old
windows
will
not
open
so
they're,
almost
a
fire
house
of
hazard
upstairs.
I
So
that
was
the
reason
why
there's
and
there's
I
think
there
should
be
a
picture
that
I
sent
in
there's
a
small
window
upstairs
that
has
a
half
moon
over
the
top
and
what
I
was
going
to
put.
There
was
just
a
single
square
and
it's
behind
those
crepe
myrtles
up
there
in
the
bag.
You
can't
see
it
at
all
from
the
street.
Yes,
absolutely
and
it's
just
a
single
square
is.
I
I
I
You
know
as
the
solid
paint
in
the
front,
but
if
that
didn't
go,
if
the
board
wasn't
happy
with
that,
then
I'm
willing
to
move
put
the
old
windows
back
up,
except
for
the
one
that's
always
breaking
and
get
that
one
and
put
put
a
new
one
there,
not
a
new
one,
but
at
one
of
the
savage
ones.
That
is
exactly
like
that,
one
from
the
back
and
then
move
those
other
solid
paints
into
the
back.
I
There's
I,
don't
know
what
happened,
but
the
old
owner
had
went
had
boarded
up
on
the
inside
two
windows
from
the
inside
of
the
bedroom,
so
I
can't
get
to
the
windows.
So
what
I
was
going
to
do
is
actually
open
that
back
up
and
put
those
two
when
took
two
of
the
windows
there
and
then
put
two
of
the
windows
on
the
other
on
the
other
corner.
B
I
I
I
F
Well,
according
to
the
memo
that
Chrissy
sent
to
us,
apparently
part
of
the
problem
is
there
was
a
mess
up
at
the
city
and
they
issued
a
permit.
And
of
course,
that's
not
your
fault
concerning
the
bottom
of
Windows.
So
what
I've
looked
at
and
thought
about
is
the
only
thing
that
I'm
seeing
on
the
request
is
to
remove
the
vinyl
from
the
front
of
the
house
and
put
it
in
the
back
and
then
you
would
take
existing
windows,
I
guess
in
the
back
and
put
it
in
the
front.
The.
E
Other
than
to
approvals
are
required.
She
needs
CoA
from
this
board.
She
knows
she's
in
Cloverdale
and
made
an
assumption
and
the
building
department
erroneously
issued
a
building
permit
the
rails
and
styles
on
the
vinyl
windows
are
very
narrow,
I
mean
they
do
not
have
a
good
I
would
say
not
a
good
manage,
not
a
good
Street
profile,
at
least
as
far
as
the
street
face
is
concerned.
E
The
only
thing
that
this
body
looked
at
were
changes
that
were
visible
from
the
right
of
way
and
then
it
became
any
exterior
change
to
your
property
and
I.
Don't
know
why
or
where,
where
that
came
about,
but
you
all
have
shown
some
latitude
in
cases
for
rear
elevations,
certainly
on
some
stylistic
selections.
A
G
G
Okay,
I
mean
we're,
definitely
would
like
for
the
front
six
to
be
replaced
with
original
windows
from
the
back.
You
know,
I.
Don't
particularly
think
that
these
one
over
one
vinyl
windows
are
good,
even
in
even
in
the
back,
but
I
mean
you
won't
be
able
to
see
them.
I
don't
know.
Does
you
know
southern
sash
has
come
before
with
other
kind
of
windows
that
y'all
have
been
approved
and
I
don't
know.
If
window
world
has
windows
like
that
that
y'all
approved
to
use
those
for
the
for
the
back
or
not
I.
E
Have
not
apparently
they've
only
started
pulling
building
permits
in
the
last
couple
of
years
and
I
know
previous
to
that
we
had
an
issue
in
the
garden
district
where
they
told
a
property
owner.
They
had
a
special
arrangement
with
the
city
and
didn't
need
a
permit.
So
she
is
angry
with
us
for
making
her
replacement
windows.
E
E
F
E
F
D
I
It's
it's
got
a
fireplace
the
window
right.
It
still
looks
that
way
and
in
the
and
we
saved
the
windows
so
that
we
can
put
the
windows
in
the
front
back
in.
If
we
need
to
I
think
the
windows
in
the
back
are
in
a
better
or
in
better
shape.
They
aren't
racking
quite
as
much
so
there
they
aren't
cracking
really
much
at
all.
So.
D
A
A
Doesn't
help
this?
This
I
mean
this
situation
where
we
have
these
windows
you're
close
to
the
street
you're
in
a
row
of
kind
of
little
Cape,
Cod
cottages
right
there
that
people
are
accustomed
looking
in
together.
So
if
you're
gonna
have
this
kind
of
change
in
the
building,
this
is
the
worst
place.
Babbitt
I
think
that
I
know
that
you'd
love
to
leave
the
bottle
windows
in
the
front,
but
I
think
that
my
opinion
would
be
that
the
original
witness
need
to
come
back
from
the
front.
Okay
and
you're
right.
I
D
D
I
E
A
I
I
E
A
F
I
was
gonna
say
back
to
the
request:
I
mean
given
that
there
was
obviously
some
miscommunication
foul-ups
nephew,
whatever
I
move,
that
we
approve
mr.
Carter
permission
to
permission,
to
move
the
windows
from
back
to
the
front
and
put
the
vinyl
in
the
back
where
it
cannot
be
seen
and
I'm
doing
this.
Only
because,
apparently
there
was
some
mess
up
on
the
city's
park,
issuing
the
permit
and
I'm
sure
there
were
these
folks,
final
world
or
window
world
didn't
ask
a
lot
of
questions
anyway.
M
M
So
the
only
thing
that
would
have
been
left
standing
would
have
been
the
rotting
frame
structure
and
we
would
like
to
propose
taking
the
from
the
foundation
up
only.
We
wouldn't
disturb
the
foundation
of
the
building
taking
the
foundation
up
down
which
most
of
it
was
going
to
be
replaced
anyway,
with
new
materials
to
match
the
existing
materials
and
the
building
would
be
constructed
exactly
as
drawn
in
in
the
submitted
drawings.
M
There's
no
change
to
anything
of
that
all
of
the
windows
are
reclaimed,
so
they
would
be
historic
windows,
single
putty,
glazed
windows
that
match
the
existing
windows
in
the
main
house
and
match
the
construction
of
the
existing
windows
that
are
in
the
building.
Now
the
door
would
be
a
new
door,
but
it
would
replicate
the
existing
trim
pattern.
That's
on
the
door.
M
F
A
E
A
E
Because
well,
because,
as
they
submitted
it,
it
was
to
rehab
the
existing
building,
but
as
it's
being
presented,
it's
to
remove
the
existing
building
and
replace
it.
So
that
was
not
what
was
initially
submitted.
So
if
there's
an
if
there's
any
deviation
from
the
plan,
the
agenda,
write-up
or
anything
they
have
added
or
subtracted
in
the
course
of
their
presentation,
it
should
be
as
presented.
Can.
F
N
Jane,
my
excuse
me,
of
course,
and
Jane
all
right,
I'd
like
to
propose
some
alterations
to
my
front
porch
the
reason,
besides
being
able
to
utilize
the
porch
in
the
spring
and
summer
when
the
Western
Sun
is
beating
down
on
us.
There
have
been
some
security
issues
for
me,
I'll
it
alone
and
I'm
in
the
entertainment
district,
which
is
a
good
thing
that
I
think.
Sometimes
people
don't
realize
that
I'm
a
private
resident.
So
we
thought
this
plan
architect,
Andy
Smith
has
drawn
me,
I
think
you've
seen
it
we
hope
it'll,
be.
N
N
So
when
people
approach
support,
but
anybody
we
like
the
idea
of
the
charleston
look
with
the
treu
front
door
at
the
top
of
my
steps
to
the
right
that
you
really
can't
see
in
the
photograph,
but
you
can
see
in
the
second
picture
of
the
side
of
you,
so
we
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
else
you
need
from
me
other
than
I'd
like
to
answer.
Whatever
questions
you
have,
the
materials
will
be
cedar,
it'll
all
be
very
tastefully
done.
We
hope.
Well,
we
certainly
plan
for
it
to
be.
You
know.
N
Color
change
on
the
outside
the
shutters
will
be
it'll,
be
a
tone
on
tone
much
less
with
like
we
have
now.
The
window
trim
is
a
little
bit
darker
than
the
existing,
and
we
we
may
need
to
tweak
it
depending
on
the
light
that
hits
the
shutters
versus
the
way
it
hits
the
windows
now,
but
it'll
be
basically
a
tone
on
tone.
Just
as
we
have
it
now
I
plan
to
keep
the
shutters
open
in
the
day
as
I
said
they
each
bifold.
N
A
N
N
No
they're
just
attaching
to
the
side
of
the
columns
and
in
my
proposal
we
specified
that
if
we
square
up
the
columns
and
clad
them
in
you
know
appropriate
material
so
that
they
will
be
squared
up
right
now,
they're
round.
It
has
been
suggested
to
me
several
times
over
the
years,
but
the
squared
columns
of
equal
dimensions,
all
the
way
up
would
be
more
appropriate
for
the
home
anyway.
But
this
I
propose
that
once
before,
but
it
was
an
informal
proposal
and
I
have
not
proceeded
with
it
until
now.
N
A
N
N
N
A
F
Thing
I
would
suggest,
ma'am
is
I,
don't
see
a
ceiling
fan
out
there
and
I
know
sometimes
I
sit
on
my
front
porch
a
lot
without
a
ceiling
fan.
It
can
get
mighty
warm
out
there.
You
might
that's
not
something
you
need
our
permission
for
I'm,
just
I'm,
just
saying
you're
not
gonna
have
heating
or
cooling
in
there.
Well,.
N
We'll
have
a
ceiling
fan,
but
but
here's
the
thing
you
know
the
only
time
we
will
ever
close
them
in
the
daytime
is
if,
when
we
sit
out
there
or
I
live
alone,
but
if
I
have
friends
we're
on
the
porch
when
we're
when
we
try
to
do
it,
I
have
had
a
single
little
shutter,
that's
really
heavy.
It
was
also
cedar
a
trap
boat
and
we
would
drag
it
out
there
and
put
it
just
right
where
the
Sun
comes
in.
N
We
don't
have
any
desire
to
close
it
off
at
all
during
the
day,
but
we
would
be
able
to
like
to
move
just
one
part
of
one
shutter
so
that
we
can
sit
in
two
chairs.
So
and
not
you
know,
so
we're
not
going
to
ever
be
closing
at
all.
But
I
do
understand
what
you're
saying
I
think
I
think
that's
a
well
taken
point.
F
N
A
A
A
F
F
Page
2
see
it
kind
of
gives
you
an
overview.
There
are
four
different
expenses
in
my
backyard
right
now
one
is
wooden
privacy
fence.
It's
been
there
more
than
20
years,
which
is
when
I
bought
the
house.
There's
a
little
bit
of
a
nice
wrought
iron
in
the
back
is
what
I
call
hog
wire
wire
and
then
on.
F
The
south
side
is
chain-link
fence
my
proposal,
a
request
is
to
remove
the
old
privacy
fence
and
replace
it
we're
not
going
to
the
wrought
iron
fence,
it's
in
the
neighbor's
yard,
so
we're
just
going
to
put
the
privacy
fence
in
front
of
it.
We're
gonna
leave
the
pig
iron
or
pig
wire
fence,
because
the
people
from
a
+10
Singh
showed
me
and
pointed
out.
F
So
if
I
were
to
take
that
fence
out,
it
would
go
into
my
neighbor
mr.
Roberts
yard,
and
he
would
not
like
that.
So
I'm,
just
gonna
put
the
fence.
Snoo
side
up
against
it,
the
chain-link
fence
is
gonna,
be
removed
and
gonna
be
against.
Musab
will
face
the
neighbors
house,
which
is
also
mr.
Roberts.
He
owns.
He
owns
both
properties
at
the
back
of
the
house,
which
is
the
west
side
and
owns
the
property
on
the
corner
there,
which
is
the
south
side,
and
he
has
no
problem
doing
this.
F
A
F
There
were
a
popcorn
tree
in
the
back,
I,
don't
even
know
if
I'd
ask
permission
anymore,
I
would
just
take
it
down.
Unfortunately,
there's
there
are
no
popcorn.
There
is
a
tree.
One
of
the
photograph
shows
is
actually
two
smaller
trees.
One
is
on
mr.
Roberts
side
of
the
chain-link
fence
once
coming
up
on
my
side
of
the
chain-link
fence.
So
I
asked
him
if
he
had
a
problem.
F
Although
I
won't
take
all
the
chain-link
down,
I
paid
a
little
extra
just
to
I,
think
it
would
just
be
a
cleaner
look.
Not
to
have
you
know
against
the
pig
wire
is
all
the
way
in
the
back
and
nobody's
really
gonna
see
it,
but
over
there
on
that
on
the
side
yard.
It
would
just
look
a
lot
better
if,
rather
than
push
it
up
against
the
tree
up
against
the
chain-link,
just
have
them
take
that
out.