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So,
but
this
is
the
boiled
down
version
kind
of
what
other
Mina's
polities
has
done.
What
Carroll
would
put
together
in
conjunction
with
considerations
ARB
has
made
in
evaluating
buildings,
so
we
would
need
a
version
of
it
that
we
would
distribute
for
comment
to
the
historic
districts.
Let
the
ARB
look
at
it.
B
D
Sort
of
like
you,
have
both
standards
and
then
you
sort
of
factor,
questions
that
you
add
in
parenthesis.
That's
I
think
a
good
way
to
approach
it
looking
to
see
if
you
have
those
adequately
separated.
So
we
know
what
the
standard
is
and
what
the
other
questions
that
you
are
looking
at.
So
we
got
building
not-to-exceed
as
a
standard,
no
other
building
on
the
property
as
a
standard.
The
parenthesis
is
sort
of
your
question
comment
right,
I'm,
trying
to
understand.
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D
B
Example
has
same
basic
form
as
main
dwelling
was
one
criteria
that
was
used,
I
think
my
little
rock
and
they
look
at
a
triangle
on
top
of
a
rectangle.
So
no
gambrel
roofs,
but
most
houses
don't
have
a
shed
roof,
but
you
might
have
some.
He
wants.
A
shed
roof
in
in
my
old
house,
had
a
shed
roof
shed
behind
it,
so
they
it's
certainly
a
forum
that
was
in
the
historic
districts.
So
that's
so
that's
a
question.
You
know
which
every
spell
out.
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D
That
first
one,
the
I,
think
we've
talked
about
the
couple
of
meters
now
not
to
exceed
a
hundred
square
feet.
I
believe
we
looked
at
those
from
very
various
other
jurisdictions
and
that's
sort
in
the
range
I
think
I
thought
we
saw
some
110
120
but
100
somewhere
in
that
range.
So
I'm,
not
I'm.
Ok
with
that
I.
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E
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D
B
D
B
Would
be
an
expedited
review
procedure?
Okay
and
it's
not
a
pre-approved
thing,
it's
it's
a
staff
approval
thing
and
we
have
that
problem
with
Windows
the
ARB
looked
at
Windows.
That
said,
the
staff
could
approve,
and
people
start
popping
in
Windows
willy-nilly,
that
the
staff
never
saw.
So
we
just
we
yanked
it.
All
windows
go
to
the
board.
Now.
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A
D
What
do
you
mean
by
that
for
I
see
that
nor
the
outbuildings
that's
pretty
pretty
significant
planetory
meeting,
both
our
building
requirements
pretty
self-explanatory.
Now
this
fourth
little
dot
has
the
same
basic
form
as
the
main
building,
and
then
you
got
this
other
material
after
that.
What
are
you
trying
to
indicate?
Well.
B
My
question
was
whether
or
not
shed
roofs
might
be
allowed,
which
just
slant
one
direction,
because
those
outbuildings
do
exist
in
some
of
the
districts.
So
it's
that
that
allowing
a
shed
roof
is
not
quite
same
basic
form
because
it's
not
a
triangle.
Well,
actually
it
is
conference,
it's
a
wedge
on
top.
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F
B
That
was
the
question
whether
or
not
I
don't
think
there
are
prefabs
out
there
that
come
with
a
shed
roof.
I
haven't
seen
any
and
I
went
out
and
looked
at
a
lot
of
outbuildings,
but
we
did
have
one
come
to
the
board
that
someone
built
without
permission
that
had
a
shed
roof
in
Cloverdale
Idlewild.
So
that's.
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A
little
shed,
that's
at
the
Cloverdale
community
garden,
it's
a
Chenery!
It's
a
shed!
You
pick
out
a
Prius
mm-hmm.
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G
B
You
know
you've
got
the
roof,
the
high
point
at
the
front
and
it
slopes
to
the
back,
and
it
doesn't
have
a
presence.
So
it's
not
going
to
detract
as
much
from
the
main
structure
so
that
that's
been
part
of
the
discussion
we've
had
on
shed
roofs
in
instances
where
it's
not
a
carport.
It's
not
really
a
historic
building.
Anyway.
Is
it
better
for
it
to
disappear
or
for
it
to
match
the
house,
and
it's
really
depended
on
the
setting
in
those
cases,
but
it
is
a
way
to
make
them
a
more
inconspicuous
building.
A
Any
question
at
all:
what
we
are
saying
with
this
category
is
that
this
is
what
partition
will
come
for
our
or
pool.
This
is
what
we
are
saying
it
right
to
down
arrows
the
Arizona
death
that
comes
on
to
our
viewers.
I
was
on
the
right
aisle
pointing
to
the
right
and
pointing
down
one
or
two
on
the
right
side
of
the
page
for
the
architectural
review
board.
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G
I,
don't
I,
don't
I,
can't
I
can't
picture
it,
but
I
also
don't
but
I
do
picture.
I
wouldn't
think
would
be
very
that
needs
some
of
you
give
me.
Can
you
give
me
examples?
Is
where
I'm
going?
You
can
think
you're
just
talking
about
just
a
plane.
That
would
be
so
like
I,
almost
like
an
aluminum
siding.
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B
Are
trying
to
establish
some
guidelines
that
would
allow
someone
to
go
out
and
purchase
a
prefab
shed
because,
right
now,
you
can't
do
that
they
don't
meet
the
criteria.
They
do
not
meet
the
design
standards
that
are
set
forth
in
our
guidelines,
because
it
stipulates
that
out.
Buildings
need
to
be
compatible
with
the
main
house
and
for
most
people
that
means
they're
going
to
have
to
go,
hire
someone
just
to
custom,
build
them
a
shed
to
put
a
bike
and
a
lawnmower
in
and
I'm,
not
sure.
That's
a
reasonable
expectation.
B
If
you
want
a
garage
or
a
carport.
Yes,
we
need
to
see
that
because
it's
going
to
have
a
greater
visual
impact,
but
if
you
just
need
a
place
to
put
your
shovel
and
your
lawnmower,
then
then
it
might
be
nice
if
there
was
an
option
where
folks
could
select
something
if
it
met
certain
criteria
or
as
modified
in
a
certain
way
that
they
could
have
it
without
having
to
go
through
the
ARV.
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B
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B
A
Endure
what
they
have
to
do
with
no
words,
we
can
say
the
buck
stops
with
us.
If
we
have
some
leniency
involved
in
the
whole
process,
we
can
consider
ourselves
consumer
advocates
if
you
will
we're
making
it
easier
for
a
person
to
put
place
a
temporary
structure
on
their
properties.
That's
all
this
boils
down
to
we're,
not
stop
talking
about
something.
That's
going
to
be
there
hundred
years
or
50
years.
Anything
like
that
and
we're
not
talking
about
something.
That's
gonna,
be
as
big
as
a
house
itself
or
biggest
garage.
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A
What
we,
what
we're
saying
here,
if
anyone
has
any
objections,
we
will
address
your
objections,
but
as
it
stands,
what
we
want
to
agree
on
is
if
a
structures
feel
than
100
square
feet,
and
we
have
every
reason
to
believe
that
it
won't
be
there
40
years
from
now,
Christie
can
make
the
decision,
as
opposed
to
going
to
the
architectural
review
board.
That's
basically
the
same,
and.
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If
we
don't,
if
we
don't
think
it'll
be
there,
she
doesn't
think
it'll
be
there
for
in
a
long
period
of
time
and
it's
less
than
a
hundred
square
feet.
She
can
make
the
approval
without
that
person
going
to
dark,
should
be
bored.
That's
all
we're
saying
here
tonight
we
happen
to
consumer
I.
Think
I
was
what
we
want
everybody
to
be
comfortable.
That's
what
you're
saying
Commission
Bush
yeah!
We
just
want
everybody.
We
don't
want
to
run
roughshod
over
anybody.
If
anybody
has
a
question
we're
going
to
make
certain
we
address
that
person's
question.
D
I
agree
and
I.
Remember
the
first
time
just
came
up
and
we
had
the
discussion.
We
got
all
the
examples
from
around
the
country.
We
had
a
couple
of
meetings
back
and
it
was
until
that
meeting
that
I
started
to
begin
say
well,
a
lot
of
other
communities
are
doing
this
very
same
sort
of
thing
and
creating
I
guess
they're,
beginning
to
recognize
that
people
gonna
do
with
it.
So
you
better
have
a
standard
for
for
these
small
structures
that.
A
G
B
B
B
C
B
F
B
You
know
we're
not
doing
a
time
limit
on
it.
It's
just
the
assumption
is
kind
of
that
the
prefab
is
not
built
to
last.
Does
that
mean
someone
won't
let
it
just
cave
in
in
the
backyard
now
we've
got
caved-in
outbuildings
all
over
the
historic
districts,
historic
out
buildings
that
are
caved
in
all
over
the
place.
B
F
We
could
contribute
to
the
problem
or,
on
the
other
hand,
on
the
other
side
of
token,
make
it
a
little
easier
for
people
to
move
to
these
districts.
You
know
I,
you
know
I
feel
like
if
I
were
moved
to
a
district,
knowing
that
I
could
have
a
shed
on
a
high
Oh
square
feet,
the
metro
approval
that
would
make
the
leisure
for
me
in
terms
of
knowing
that
I'm
going
to
have
the
additional
storage
space
well,.
B
And
there
is
no
outdoor
storage
and
they've
got
to
wait
a
month
to
come
to
the
board.
We
do
encourage
realtors
if
they've
got
prospective
buyers
that
they
don't
have
to
own
the
property
to
make
application.
But
usually
it's
we're
closing
next
week
and
I
need
a
shed
and
I
say
I'm.
Sorry,
I
can't
help
you
so.
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B
G
G
B
G
B
That's
true
and
there's
a
there's
a
process
in
place
for
that,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
just
want
a
4
by
8
storage
shed
to
you
and
I
have
to
send
them
to
the
board
and
they
can't
go
out
to
Lowe's
or
Home
Depot
and
buy
one
because
none
of
them
meet
the
criteria.
So
it's
it's
to
try
to
make
it
a
little
easier
to
get
small
storage.
If
you
want
to
park
your
car
under
cover,
you're
gonna,
be
coming
to
see
me
in
a
different
capacity.
F
B
Are
we
haven't
gotten
that
far
down
on
the
list?
Yet?
But
yes,
citing
material
is
on
here,
lap,
siding
wood
or
Semin
tisha
sand,
I,
say
seven
Tisha's,
because
the
review
board
will
approve
a
hardiplank
type,
siding
on
an
outbuilding
team.
111
panels
need
to
have
battens
applied
over
the
grooves.
That's
a
vertical
groove,
plywood
or
cementitious
traditional
board
and
batten,
wood
or
cement.
Isha's
shake
brick.
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C
B
C
G
C
G
A
We
look
at
the
page
if
we
start
from
the
very
top
and
proceed
to
the
bottom.
Is
there
anything
that
you're
uncomfortable
with?
But
that
way
we
can
reach
some
type
of
consensus
here,
starting
at
the
very
top
is
anything
then
you
uncomfortable
with.
If
we
proceed
to
the
very
bottom,
let's
deal
with
the
very
first
one
in
who
was
uncomfortable
with
anything
starting
from
the
top.
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A
G
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C
A
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F
G
A
D
G
F
A
D
D
B
B
B
Mean
ten
years
from
now
plastic
buildings
may
look
really
awesome.
I
mean
heaven
knows
the
materials
change
over
time,
so
I
think.
But
the
question
was:
was
there
consensus
that
we
eliminate
plastic
at
this
juncture
which
will
also
eliminate
the
any
roof
material
being
classic
prefab?
We
could
get
rid
of
that
further
down.
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F
C
C
E
E
A
A
B
A
F
A
A
B
B
F
F
F
A
A
A
F
B
F
B
A
There's
anyone
uncomfortable
with
that
process.
Okay,
all
right,
so
that's
it
unless
some
person
has
any
other
comment
regarding
the
outhouses
okay.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
consideration.
The
last
item
on
the
agenda
for
this
meeting.
Commissioner
long,
would
you
like
to
open
it
up
with
a
couple
of
comments?
Well,.
D
I
went
ahead
and
and
as
I
was
looking
at
it,
even
though
I
believe
that,
under
some
of
the
authority
we
already
have
from
the
city,
because
that
authority
says
that
we
can
create
an
inventory.
I
think
that
it
may
be
a
wise
way
to
do.
This
is
to
actually
pass
a
resolution
where
we
develop
our
own
set
of
rules,
set
it
up
and
then
add
and
pass
a
resolution
asking
the
city
to
formally
amend
the
code
to
create
it
a
registry,
and
then
that
would
get
input
from
the
city.
D
D
And
that's
the
process.
I
want
to
continue
to
bring
up
from
time
to
time
for
us
to
continue
to
thought
to
think
about
it.
I
do
think
that
the
resolution
idea
is
a
good
way
to
do
it.
We
set
up
our
own.
We
discuss
it
in
a
work
session,
maybe
some
time
and
try
to
create
our
own
set
of
rules
like
the
process.
D
We
just
used
to
come
up
with
some
set
of
rules
and
standards
and
then
at
some
point
in
time
when
we
think
we're
ready,
we
can
present
that
to
the
city
through
a
resolution
and
ask
the
city
to
consider
it.
Then,
if
the
city
adopts
it,
we
can
proceed
with
it,
and
that
would
be
the
the
process
that
I
would
propose
that
we
look
at
to
try
to
get
this
energy
behind
this
this
this
project,
any.
F
D
B
Who
coordinated
the
National
Register
program
for
the
state
and
also
reviewed
Alabama?
Register
nominations?
It
is
not
a
quick
process
and
these
folks
are
going
to
take
a
lot
of
hand-holding
because
we
can't
just
let
them
come
in
with
the
blank
forms
they
do
now
to
get
a
sign
for
their
house
to
add
them
to
the
registry.
They're
gonna
have
to
do
research
and
we're
going
to
have
to
be
able
to
verify
the
research
and,
frankly,
I
don't
have
time
to
do
it
either.
B
D
D
B
Been
asking
for
it
without
his
proposal,
so
I
mean
that
which
isn't
it
because
at
this
point
I'm
not
in
a
position
that
I
can
be
proactive
about
much
of
anything
it's
reacting
to
to
whatever
comes
in.
So
we
can't
push
educational
programs,
or
you
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
things
on
my
wish.
I
could
do
I'm
supposed
to
be
out
reserving
a
neighborhood
this
winter
and
I
haven't
gotten
out
the
door
yet
and
I
shouldn't
be
going
by
myself.
B
G
Process
or
assuming
we
set
up
some
type
of
criteria,
would
include
basically
a
survey.
You
know
there
would
be
some
sort
of
a
form
developed
that
would
be
need
to
be
submitted.
That
would
include
why
they're
significant
people,
the
places
for
whatever
right
that
and
that
would
need
to
be
submitted
not
necessarily
left
to
the
left
and
staff
people
know,
but
but
that
would
be
submitted
along
with
say,
Effie
right.
F
G
Only
concern
is
that
and
Christy
may
know
a
little
bit
more
about
this
from
a
constitutional
legal
standpoint.
I
mean.
Could
you
we
if
the
person
doesn't
give
permission?
You
know
that
was
part
of
what
part
of
this,
and
you
know
that
other
people
put
them
on
the
registry,
and
maybe
you
don't
want
to
be
on
the
registry
or
they
don't
want
their
structure,
so
that
would
be
mom
it's
sort
of
like
I,
don't
know
as
far
as
designation
when
they
do
block.
G
B
B
F
G
D
I
can
see
in
the
owner
objection
the
problem
that
most
many
historic
places
have
multiple
owners
now,
in
other
words,
it's
an
air.
It's
a
right.
It's
just.
If
you
try
to
figure
out
how
many
people
I
want
is
2050
what
didn't
on
the
property,
so
you
never
get
all
of
them
together
and
some
of
these
properties
to
fix
the
submitted
applications,
which
is
why
the
one
of
the
reason
these
are
honorary.
D
B
D
B
That's
something
we'll
need
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
give
the
appearance,
because
back
in
the
day
they
did
just
magic
lawns.
You
know
all
of
my
1968
designations,
it's
like!
Oh.
We
think
that
building
is
important
and
that
building
is
important
in
congratulations.
You're
now
designated,
and
that
meant
welcome
to
the
architectural
review
board
and
it
just
happened.
It
was
just
done
so.
B
B
You
know
if
we
have
people
who
are
willing
to
do
the
research
and
start
building
up
this
registry.
You
know
when
we
did
the
National
Register
review
boards.
There
was
a
presentation
with
photographs
and
slides,
and
you
know
it
would
be
kind
of
a
learning.
It
would
be
another
way
to
educate
as
well
given
the
venue
that
we
have
to
use
and.
D
As
you
will
see,
I
think
I
added
on
that
draft
too,
which
I
think
most
of
you
have
a
provision
that
says
that
if
they
already
own
another
register,
there
is
no.
You
can
just
put
them
on
your
voice.
They
don't
have
to
it's
an
expedited,
as
you
say,
an
expedited
approval
process.
If
they've
already
been
listed,
say
Ellen
Alabama
register,
you
don't
have
to
go
back
and
reprove
everything
you
can
they.
G
Basically,
you're,
basically
starting
off
with
the
fairly
large
register
and
and
the
reason
I
voiced
concern
about
that
is.
The
thing
is
because
I
do
remember:
Miss
Carr
on
Hall
Street
and
that
someone
put
up
a
historic
marker
in
front
of
her
house.
That
said,
she
lived
there
and
she
was
you
know
an
elderly
lady
living
there
and
she
was
like
well.
G
F
A
A
One
or
two
things
number
one
is
I
want
to
again
congratulate
Commissioner
long
for
the
insight.
The
foresight
with
this
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
usually
when
people
begin
to
talk
about
cities
with
historic
significance,
I'm,
not
so
sure
that
Montgomery's
name
is
mentioned
in
the
same
conversation
as
some
other
towns.
With
this
suggestion
that
we
have
for
us.
A
Margaret
moves
to
another
level,
and
all
we
have
to
do
is
ensure
that
apples
speak
to
apples
and
oranges
beat
oranges
that
we
have
everything
in
place,
because
we
can
really
take
another
step
in
a
significant
historic
direction
if
everything
falls
in
place.
But
we
want
to
make
certain
that
we
move
carefully
and
that
we
cover
the
bases
to
ensure
that
we
reach
the
objective
that
we
think
that
Commissioner
law
has
in
mind
for
this
city.
So
with
that
in
mind,
is
anyone
who
feels
that
we
should
not
table
this?
Our
next
meeting
well.
F
C
G
A
G
A
Thank
you
very
much
anything
else
for
me,
commissioners,
limiting
all
of
our
other
commissioners
for
coming
out
tonight
and
mrs.
Paula
Richardson
is
Kristi
Andersen
for
taking
their
time
from
their
busy
schedules
with
the
city
of
Montgomery
to
be
with
us.
Our
security
people
and
our
television
crew
would
want
to
thank
you
for
coming
out.
This
means
hereby
adjourn.