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A
It's
actually
located
in
cottage
hill,
which
is
a
historically
designated
locally,
historically
designated
as
well
as
a
national
register.
The
owner
is
carolyn
patton.
The
project
team
is
carolyn
patton
and
her
husband,
julian
warrell,
and
the
contractor
is
rampi
design
with
todd
rampi
as
the
owner.
A
Okay-
and
these
were
the
criteria
for
the
ward
itself,
overall
impact
of
the
historic
resources
of
montgomery,
a
contributing
structure
to
the
cottage
hill
neighborhood
and
its
streetscape
and
exact
just
how
it
actually
contributed
to
the
overall
history
and
architecture
of
montgomery.
A
This
is
before
the
restoration
at
528
clayton
street,
all
the
different
items
that
they
actually
worked
through
on
the
project
itself
over
the
course
of
several
years.
A
Okay,
one
of
the
things
that
was
most
impressive
about
this
nomination
also
is
the
total,
the
total
picture
of
everything
that
they
did
to
it.
The
quality
of
the
work
that
the
contractor
did
todd
rampi
and
they
even
went
into
sidewalks
landscaping
lawn
driveway.
They
took
the
whole
picture
in
the
streetscape
into
consideration,
so
we're
very
proud
to
have
awarded
this
historic
preservation
award
2021
to
528
clayton
street,
dr
bailey.
B
What
I'd
like
to
do?
She
has
summarized
what
flag
says,
but
I
just
want
to
read:
I'm
just
so
impressed
with
what
has
been
done.
I'd
like
to
read
in
it.
It
says
the
montgomery
historic
preservation
commission
proudly
presents
his
2021
historic
preservation
award
and
two
carolyn
patton
and
julian
warrell
for
his
overall
restoration
in
the
resurrection
residential
project,
528
clayton
street
donned,
his
12th
day
of
october
21,
dr
richard
baylor
chair
and
I'm
presenting
it
proudly
throughout
the
upcoming
detroit
preservation
and
many
other
preservation
areas
to
mr
joey
bracken.
C
Yeah,
I
think,
on
behalf
of
carolyn
patton
and
her
family
in
particular
dr
melanie
richberg
and
mrs
robbie
richberg
davis.
C
This
is
a
this
is
a
family
residence.
It
meant
a
lot
to
them
to
to
work
on
this
property
to
keep
it
up
because
of
its
ties
to
their
family
heritage,
and
I
think
she
would
like
for
me
to
thank
the
commission
and
the
city
and
also
her
contractor
todd
rampi.
I
know
that
she
would
want
me
to
mention
him
and
I
would
like
to
say
on
behalf
of
the
cottage
hill
neighborhood
which
and
dr
bailey
wanted
me
to
just
say
it's
the
it's,
the
oldest
residential
neighborhood
in
montgomery.
C
B
B
Mr
joey
bragner
for
taking
time
out
from
his
busy
schedule
to
come
out
here
this
evening,
and
we
just
like
to
encourage
all
of
our
other
neighborhoods
to
step
forward
and
ensure
that
your
neighborhood
is
recognized.
Also
contact.
Someone
on
this
commission,
mr
christie,
anderson
with
the
land,
use
division
of
the
city
and
see
about
nominating
your
neighborhood
for
historic
preservation
award.
Thank
you
so
very
much,
mr
bragnan,
for
coming
out
this
evening.
D
E
D
B
I
think
we
can
just
say
the
commission
is
in
power
of
the
committee
is
empowered
to
do
that.
Okay,.
D
Well,
then,
we
have
agreed
that
528
clinton
street
should
be
awarded.
E
D
Did
they
provide
information
as
to
why
they
wanted
it
named
that.
E
E
D
See
I'm
I'm
inclined
to
not
provide
the
name
patent
house
along
with
the
sign,
because
I'm
I
mean,
what's:
what's
the
what's
the
value
intrinsic
or
otherwise
that
what
has
the
house
contributed
to
the
history
of
montgomery,
besides
it
being
a
historic
structure
which
is
significant
enough
to
warrant
a
sign,
but
beyond
that.
E
Well,
the
city
directory
research-
I
did
there
was
a
long
term
owner
during
the
period
that
I
had
directories
for,
which
was
for
mac
and
mary
horrell,
it's
possible.
If
you
wanted
to
acknowledge
the
work
the
patents
have
done
recently
and
you
know
maintaining
ownership
of
this
house
that
it
could
be
a
the
horrible
patent
house.
Hyphenated
would
be
an
option.
I'm.
E
A
Well,
I
will
say
on
the
application
their
present
their
award
application
one
of
their
goals,
after
the
finishing
of
the
house,
was
to
place
an
authorized
historic
marker
on
the
property.
So
I
would
think
that
probably
they
think
you
know
it
comes
with
their
name
on
it,
so
I
think
they
want
their
name.
I
mean
I
would
doesn't
say
that,
but
I
would
assume
that
they're
very
proud
of
what
they've
done
and
they
didn't
predict.
They
did
win
an
award
for
it.
So.
D
Well,
I
would
argue,
the
sign
is
the
is
the
prize,
but
I
think
a
sign
with
both
names
on
it,
I
think,
would
would
be
it
would
carry
more
weight
yeah.
I
agree,
but
I'd
like
to
hear
from
dr
bailey
and
camelot.
C
E
My
city
directories
only
go
back
to
1920,
which
is
why
that's
my
start
date
on
on
kind
of
back
tracing
history
of
a
property
since
I'm
doing
the
applicant's
homework
for
them.
I
don't
really
have
time
to
go
hunting
for
other
directories
to
dig
deeper
than
that,
and
with
the
exception
of
cottage
hill,
1920's
really
late
enough
to.
C
C
I
agree
with
that.
The
the
owners
before
that
had
been
there
the
longest
prior
to
the
patents
where
there's
40
this
40-year
right.
E
E
D
D
E
Correct
it's
an
educational
wing
that
was
added
it's
added
to
the
rear
of
the
building,
and
it
is
of
a
scale
that
it's
really
secondary
to
the
the
primary
the
sanctuary
portion,
an
original,
probably
office
portion
of
the
church.
So
if
it
wasn't
on
a
corner
lot,
you'd
never
know
the
building.
Was
there
because
stan
looking
at
it
from
the
front?
All
you
see
is
the
sanctuary.
I.
D
E
And
I
had
spoken,
mrs
malden
is
the
one
who
made
application
for
this
and
I
told
her
that
all
of
that
wouldn't
fit
on
one
side.
So
we
did
talk
about
splitting
that
into
two.
So
there
would
be
one
for
the
gratz
parsonage
and
one
for
trinity,
lutheran
church,
so
we'll
split
that
language
up
I'll
work
with
her
on
that.
D
E
There
are
a
couple
missing:
the
most
recent
renovation
has
reduced
the
number
of
front
columns
from
six
to
four.
E
C
E
A
It
well,
they
just
float
not
on
the
terrace
or
where
was
the
other
set
where,
where
the
from
the
far
corner
of
the
terrace.
C
E
E
D
A
C
Yes,
you
know
earlier
this
year
there
was
a
one
that
got
through,
because
we
were
not
understanding
exactly
what
we
should
be
doing,
and
this
is
something
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
carefully.
Okay,
if
we're
going
to
start
holding
them
to
some
standards,
in
other
words,
you're
saying
we
should
not
set
a
precedent.
D
E
Well,
especially
if
it
occurred
during
a
period
where
the
architectural
review
board
would
have
had
a
purview
for
it,
the
the
one
year.
Speaking
of
I
think
that
door
had
been
there
for
a
long
time,
and
I
think
it
probably
predated
the
district.
So
we
we
didn't
have
the
same
type
of
issue
because
we're
not
sure
when
we
we
knew
it
had
been
there,
but
it
wasn't.
It
didn't
happen
within
the
last
few
years,
like
we
know,
has
happened
in
this
case.
D
So
I
move
that
we
put
this
to
a
vote
by
the
whole
commission
as
to
whether
or
not
this
property
should
receive
a
sign.
C
That
needs
to
be
avoided
some
point,
but
by
motion
remember
we
got
that
little
thing
that
we
need
to
do,
but
a
motion
to
deny
a
sign
to
this
particular
property
I'll
make
that
motion.
C
B
E
A
B
E
A
E
D
C
A
A
We
want
to
offer
and
then
they
might
also
be
eligible
for
a
preservation
award
next
year,
because
they've.
B
E
E
Two
things
related
to
clg:
one
is,
if
you've
done
any
of
the
online
training
that
I've
been
sending
out.
Please
let
me
know
what
you've
done,
because
we
have
to
do
an
annual
report
as
part
of
our
clg
certification,
to
keep
us
current
and
recertified.
E
A
And
you
can,
if
you
can't
attend
the
live,
you
can
just
account.
If
you
you
can
then
two
or
three
days
later,
you
can
register
and
if
you
can't
go
to
the
actual
they're
available
for
60
days,
then
they
will
send
it
back.
So
you
can
actually
see
the
recorded.
You
know
at
your
own
pace.
E
Clg
grants-
I
was
thinking
about
this
when
dr
bailey
called
asking,
if
there
were
funds
available
to
do
a
publication
in
relation
to
a
marker,
unveiling
this
first
year
being
a
clg.
I
think
I
would
like
to
focus
on
education
because
it's
required
for
you
and
the
architectural
review
board,
but
start
thinking
about
types
of
projects
that
the
hpc
might
do
or
things
you
know
related
like
to
your
historic
marker,
where
we
may
want
to
look
at
applying
for
grant
funds
to
help
pay
for
publications.
E
We
need
to
update
our
design
guidelines
we
need.
You
know
there
may
be
other
education
and
outreach
opportunities
that
we
we,
but
I
think
I
would
like
to
see
us
use
this
as
a
planning
year.
E
It
was
never
worth
doing
before,
because
I've
been
working
on
becoming
a
clg
since
2007,
so
I
really
wasn't
going
to
put
the
energy
into
something
that
I
didn't
know
was
going
to
happen
or
not,
and
it
finally
did
so.
Let's
use
this
as
a
planning
year
to
think
of
the
types
of
things
that
we
might
benefit
from
some
planning
for
and
they're
supposed
to
open
this
grant
cycle.
E
E
One
of
the
things
that
I
thought
was
really
interesting,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
saw
it
in
the
comments
of
the
reading
architectural
plans
that
one
clg
had
gotten
some
funds
to
keep
an
architect
at
the
ready
to
help
homeowners
with
smaller
projects.
You
know
they're
dealing
with
me
drawing
lines
on
photographs
at
this
point,
some
of
them
just
to
have
a
little
something
to
make
it
easier
for
folks
to
get
through
the
process,
which
I
thought
was
an
interesting
use
of
of
funds.
E
Huntsville,
the
historic
huntsville
foundation
had
done
a
like
a
scavenger
hunt
and
they
had
prominent
buildings
downtown
and
it
was
kind
of
part.
Coloring
book
part
word
search
with
historic
building
terms,
but
also
kind
of
pointed
at
different
elements
on
the
building.
That's
geared
toward
you
know,
probably
late
elementary
school
students.
You
know
something
I
mean
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
I
think
we
could
do
that
that
could
have
a
good
educational
component
to
them.
E
B
Anybody
has
a
question
for
christie.
Comment,
no
question
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
moving
right
along,
we
have
with
us
tonight
another
guest
and
actually
he's
not
really
a
guest
because
he's
a
piece
of
the
continental
part
of
the
main,
and
that
is
mr
collier
neely,
the
executive
director
of
the
landmarks
foundation.
We
like
him
to
approach
the
microphone
and
let
us
hear
some
good
news.
F
Dr
bailey,
I
wish
I
hadn't
a
lot
of
good
news,
but
thank
you
all
for
having
me.
I
feel
like
the
last
time
that
I
addressed
this
board.
It
was
in
the
midst
of
a
crisis
with
first
presbyterian.
For
the
most
part,
I
feel
like
we're
we're
in
the
clear
there,
and
hopefully
we
can.
F
Yeah,
that's
a
positive
and
we've
got
lines
in
the
water
when
it
comes
to
finding
developers
and
and
working
with
first
baptist
to
find
a
usable
solution
there.
F
So
I
think
we're
in
a
in
a
good
place
there,
but
I
kind
of
on
the
heels
of
the
clg
conversation,
just
bringing
some
things
to
light
to
y'all
and
then
from
the
landmarks
foundation
and
our
perspective
with
community
preservation
and
how
that's
a
core
tenet
of
our
mission
would
like
to
extend
a
you
know:
hand
in
partnership,
one
that's
kind
of
already
been
there,
especially
with
the
preservation
leadership
classes,
but
as
you're
thinking
about
planning
and
as
you're
thinking
about
these
education
initiatives.
F
A
partner
that
can
can
provide
the
network
to
engage
the
community
engage
the
historic
neighborhoods
and
those
are
in
neighborhoods.
That
should
be
historic
or
should
be
considered
historic
through
the
national
register
of
the
alabama
register,
but
also
I'm
here
to
bring
up
a
few
issues
that
are
around
these
conversations
about
education
and
planning,
especially
preservation
planning
right
now.
The
landmarks
foundation
we're
going
through
a
strategic
planning
process.
F
Thinking
about
the
next
five
years.
Thinking
about
what
our
preservation
and
community
preservation
mission
looks
like,
but
also
thinking
about
what
look,
what
happens
with
old
alabama
town
and
and
where
we're
going
with
the
resources
and
the
assets
that
we've
got
in
that
museum
and
thinking
about
those
things
and
then
having
these
conversations
with
the
board
and
staff.
F
There
are
two
specific
things
that
are
happening
right
now
that
if
there
have
not
been
brought
to
the
attention
of
the
historic
preservation,
commission,
I
think
would
be
valuable
for
you
all
to
know
about.
The
retirement
systems
of
alabama
has
a
proposed
building
that
they
say:
they're,
going
to
break
ground
in
november
on
the
corner
of
jackson
and
high
streets,
diagonally
from
the
ben
moore
hotel
and
directly
across
the
street,
from
the
dexter
parsonage
and
then
there's
the
ongoing
issue
of
the
gas
station.
F
The
mapco
gas
station
and
cottage
hill
on
heron
and
hall
streets
and
clayton
street
right
there
in
that
that
block
in
the
demolition
of
the
stern
brothers
furniture
store
which
is
vacant
at
the
moment.
But
at
the
same
time
there
should
be
conversations
about
adaptive,
reuse
and
turning
the
gas
station
around
and
instead
there's
just.
F
Yeah
political
pressure
and
there's
processes
in
place
that
have
been
you
know,
put
together
and
endorsed
by
this
board.
You
know
under
operation
through
that
architectural
review
board
that
folks
feel
that
they
can
end
around
in
certain
cases,
and
I
I
think
the
historic
preservation
commission
could
provide
a
little
bit
of
leadership
when
it
comes
to
supporting
those
processes
or
making
sure
that
those
processes
are
up
to
date,
but
also
engaging
with
the
neighborhoods
and
the
conversations
about
what
good
development
looks
like
and
how
you
know.
F
F
F
And
dr
bailey,
I
know
that
you
have
spoken
with
councilwoman
johnson
about
what's
happening
there
with
that
particular
block.
I've
had
conversations
with
her
as
well.
She
seems
supportive
of
the
idea
of
conversations
around
what
good
development
looks
like.
I
think
that
is
also
the
case
when
it
comes
to
mapco,
because
that
also
happens
to
be
in
her
district.
F
Excuse
me,
persistent
demolitions
in
our
neighborhoods
there's
a
feeling,
at
least
on
my
part,
that
we're
being
reactionary
to
these
types
of
demolitions
and
then
there's
just
the
general
development
pressure
in
in
downtown
the
best
way
for
us
to
handle
it
as
a
coalition
of
folks
who
are
supportive
of
historic
preservation
who
are
protective
of
our
cultural
heritage
assets
and
who
want
to
see
montgomery
thrive.
At
the
same
time,
we've
got
a
responsibility
to
better
educate
the
community
and
tell
them
about
these
processes
that
are
in
play
when
it
comes
to
reviewing.
F
You
know
historic,
neighborhoods
and
work,
that's
being
done
on
historic
buildings
and
helping
them
see
that
these
things
are
not
about
keeping
people
from
making
changes
to
buildings
or
keeping
people
from
you
know
messing
with
historic
buildings
at
all.
But
it's
more
about
managing
change
and
planning
for
change.
D
Dr
hanbury
so
they've
owned
that
property
for
20
years,
which
property
rsa
yes
has
anyone
in
those
20
years
ever
had
a
conversation
with
them?
I
don't
think
so.
So
maybe
I
don't
know
that
influences
how
they
view
it,
in
other
words,
they're
sitting
there
thinking,
if
it's
so
important,
why
hasn't
anyone
in
20
years
come
and
talked
to
us.
F
F
So
they
do
have
to
keep
up
with
just
particular
code
issues,
but
they
don't
necessarily
have
no.
They
do
not
have
to
follow
zoning
regulations
or
historic
designations.
So
a
conversation
about
what
goes.
D
F
Can't
that's
an
assumption
sure
and
that's
I
understand
that
that
that's
an
assumption
at
the
same
time
when
the
national.
F
They've
had
conversations
have
been
had
with
the
city
by
this
point.
They
understand
the
historical
significance
of
that
corner
because
of
conversations
yes,.
A
A
E
A
F
Issue
and
these
two,
these
two
things
along
with
you
know
the
just
significant
development
pressure-
that's
happening
in
downtown
are
not
necessarily
related
to
each
other
and
what
their
out
potential
outcomes
could
be,
especially
with
the
right
politicking
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
but
but
seeing
it
through
a
particular
lens
of
what
good
development
looks
like.
F
Just
given
the
other
fights
that
the
city
and
the
community
has
had
with
rsa
in
the
past,
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
embrace
the
potential
for
putting
feet
on
the
street
there
and
the
potential
for
plan
changes
and
community
action
to
encourage
businesses
and
encourage
you
know:
good
public
investment
along
those
streets.
So
it's
safe
for
pedestrians,
so
that
businesses
feel
like
they
actually
are
able
to
take
advantage
of
the
people
that
work
there
every
day
and
that
can
be
the
potential
catalyst
for
revitalizing.
F
That
neighborhood
and
I
understand
that
the
city's
got
plans
and
grants
and
things
that
are
moving
in
that
direction
and
I'm
not
privy
to
those
those
things.
But
it's
it
could
be
seen
as
an
opportunity,
whereas
mapco
is
degradation
of
a
historic
district.
It
is
chiseling
away
at
at
the
the
district
itself,
the
national
register
district
and
the
the
locally
re
designated
historic
district
and
the
exact
zoning
codes
that
we've
put
in
place
to
offer
easier
paths
for
good
development
within
downtown.
F
D
To
the
rsa
property,
so
you
said
that
there's
been
conversations
between
the
city
and
rsa,
but
we
don't
know
what
the
outcome
whatsoever
of
those
conversations.
D
E
Were
well,
I
can
tell
you
that
there
is
a
montgomery
through
the
housing
authority
has
received
a
choice,
neighborhoods
initiative
grant.
That
is
looking
it's
to
do:
planning
studies
for
centennial
hill.
So
you
know
if
there,
if
there's
a
way
to.
E
C
C
As
long
as
we,
what
we
do
is
just
say
that
we
that
we
have
a
concern
that
they
be
protected
and
not
be
swallowed
up
and
new,
with
these,
with
the
with
the
change
that
we
can't
stop.
C
Well
then,
let's
talk
about
napco
who
decides
to
amend
the
districts,
the
land.
E
E
C
Yeah,
I
recognized
it.
They
could,
because
anything
we
do
is
subject
to
being
overridden
by
them.
E
So,
even
even
with
the
zoning
change,
if
we
can
convince
the
planning
commission
to
if
they
take
an
action,
if
they
deny
it,
if
they
recommend
that
it
stay
in
smart
code
and
and
mapco
is
not
happy
with
it,
their
direct
appeal
is
to
city
council,
because
planning
commission
makes
recommendations
as
well,
so
city
council
can
override
that
decision.
At
that
point,.
F
E
And
there
were,
there
were
already
issues
that
that
arose
with
the
even
rezoning
it's
currently
under
a
t4r
transect
and
even
to
rezone,
that
to
t4c,
which
is
what
they
would
have
to
do
to
be
able
to
construct.
A
gas
station
in
that
location
is
considered
spot
zoning,
which
is
something
that
the
planning
commission
isn't
really
excited
about
recommending,
but
that
that,
in
this
case,
because
we
know
calls
are
being
made
higher
up
that,
I
don't
have
any
reason
to
believe
that
the
city
council
wouldn't
override
that
decision.
F
But
ultimately,
the
reason
I'm
here
is
not
to
discuss
the
nitty
gritty
detail
of
both
of
these
events.
It's
to
bring
it
to
your
attention,
one,
but
two
point
out
that,
for
too
long,
montgomery
has
taken
a
reactionary
point
of
view
to
to
preserving
its
historic
heritage.
It's
cultural
heritage,
excuse
me
and
it's
historic
buildings,
and
I
that
has
resulted
in
a
city
that
is
slowly
losing
integrity
day
by
day
and
it's
resulting
in
a
city.
F
Commission's
responsibility
is
to
make
sure
that
people
know
what
they
need
to
do
to
in
order
to
preserve
their
city,
preserve
the
the
setting
that
they
know
that
they
grew
up
in
and
that
they
associate
with
the
world
changing
events
that
happened
here,
and
I
think
that
there's
a
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel,
something
that
we
can
all
kind
of
work
towards.
F
As
a
coalition
of
folks
interested
in
preserving
our
preserving
our
history
and
that's
through
education
initiatives
and
the
clg
certification
that
happened
recently,
this
past
year
is
huge
for
us
because
it
opens
opportunities
for
us
to
engage
the
community
engage.
F
Our
policy
makers
engage
our
politicians
in
a
conversation
about
why
it's
important
and
to
preserve
our
cultural
heritage
and
the
landscape
of
our
of
our
city
and
our
community,
and
I,
I
think,
with
the
initiatives
that
that
christie
was
talking
about
earlier
and
creating
things
that
help
people
identify
places,
whether
young
or
old,
is
an
excellent
opportunity
for
us
to
push
montgomery's
history
towards.
You
know,
folks,
in
the
community
and
there's
a
plethora
of
opportunities
to
do
things
I
mean
before
the
pandemic.
We
started.
F
The
community
preservation
or
the
community
preservation
forum
is
what
we
called
it,
and
we
actually
invited
historic,
macon
and
newtown
macon
to
montgomery
to
talk
about
what
they've
done
in
their
city
and
how
successful
it
was,
and
it
even
led
the
ceo
for
the
national
trust
to
say
if
it
can
be
done
and
make
and
it
can
be
done
anywhere
and
that
y'all
were
invited
to
that
when
you
were
on
the
preservation
commission.
F
At
that
point,
if
you
were,
you
were
invited
to
that,
and
it's
actually
sparked
movement
amongst
folks
in
town
and
several
groups
have
gone
over
to
macon
and
worked
with
macon,
and
it's
even
resulted
in
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
their
downtown
plan,
engaging
with
macon's
planner
interface
studios,
who
is
one
of
the
best
planners
in
the
country
and
seeing
the
work
that
they've
done
in
other
places.
Not
just
macon
was
inspiring
to
understand
to
see
that
our
leadership
in
town
has
been
able
to
to
recognize
what
that.
F
E
Well,
even
for
people
who
don't
give
a
rip
about
historic
buildings,
montgomery
has
done
a
really
good
job
of
of
accepting
mediocrity
and
you-
and
I
have
had
this
conversation
before
that.
If,
if
a
big
chain
wants
to
come
here,
then
by
god,
we've
got
to
give
them
what
what
they
want
and
the
and
the
answer
to
that
is
no,
no
you
don't.
You
know
that
there
are
some
locations
that
require
a
little
more
thought,
a
little
more
sensitivity,
for
example,
the
suggestions
that
were
we
never
told
mapco
you
couldn't
build
there.
E
We
suggested
that
the
the
building
front
herron
street,
so
that
the
residents
of
cottage
hill
could
walk
and
not
have
to
walk
across
a
parking
lot
to
get
to
their
convenience
store
and
they
put
the
gas
pumps
behind
it.
That
was
our
suggestion
to
make
it
a
workable
plan
and
they
have
resisted
it
at
every
turn.
E
F
And
to
that
point
it
takes
a
coalition
to
to
stand
up
and
offer
those
solutions
not
to
stand
in
the
way
of
development,
but
offer
solutions
to
beneficial
development,
and
I
think
that's
where
I
come
back
to
my
message:
is
we
have
a
responsibility
to
educate
the
community
and
build
that
coalition?
The
coalition
exists.
It's
there.
It
showed
us
that
it's
there
in
the
first
presbyterian
issue,
but
I
think
it
can
be
better
educated.
I
think
it
could
be
louder.
C
E
They
they
have
delayed
two
submissions
to
the
architectural
review
board.
They
plan
to
move
ahead
with
the
planning
commission
at
the
end
of
this
month,
october
28th.
C
I'm
a
little
aggressive
on
this.
I
would.
I
would
want
to
consider
stating
that
we
would
be
opposed
to
changes
in
the
in
the
district,
so
changing
the
district
lines.
A
Well,
well
that
at
what
point
then,
what's
the
process?
In
other
words,
wouldn't
they
have
to
come
to?
If
they
get
denied
at
arb,
then
they
would
decide
to
cut
themselves
out,
and
at
that
point
they
would
come
to
they
they
legally.
They
can't.
E
E
Okay,
you
know,
I
don't
know.
A
E
We
have,
we
have
a
good
framework
to
stand
on
to
justify
that,
and
we
also
have
a
whole
lot
of
documentation
offering
them
ways
they
could
make
this
project
work
that
they
have
opted
not
to
incorporate
thus
far
haven't
seen
if
they've
made
changes
or
not.
I
I
think
I
think
we
could
have
a
good
showing
if
we
ended
up
in
circuit
court
that
we
didn't
just
say
no,
that
we
we
really
did
try
to
come
up,
because
you
know
joey's
point
has
pointed
out.
Cottage
hill
is
a
food
desert.
E
Be
taking
your
life
in
your
own
hands
doing
that,
so
you
know
we're
sympathetic
to
the
desire
for
this
type
of
business
enterprise
in
this
location.
We
just
wanted
to
turn
the
building
this
way
and
not
have
it.
You
know
with
the
gas
pumps
out
front
and
the
which
is
also
not
compliant
with
the
smart
code,
which
is
why
they
want
to
come
out
of
that
as
well.
B
B
Okay:
okay,
thank
y'all.
Thank
you
very
much
and
feel
free
to
come
back.
Mr
bragna,
mr
neely
feel
free
to
come
back.
You're
welcome
to
come
back.
Okay,
all
right!
Chris
anything
else.