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Description
The Montgomery City Council’s Ad Hoc Committee – Vacant/Abandoned Structures, Neighborhood Revitalization Program, and Business License Enforcement met May 10, 2018, at 10:00 a.m., in the Old Council Chamber (Room 142), City Hall, 103 North Perry Street, Montgomery, AL.
A
A
This
very
we
I
think
we
all
want
to
see
some
kind
of
consensus
where
we
move
forward
with
a
meaningful
program
that
attempts
at
least
to
attack
the
issue.
I
didn't
City.
We
have
had
many
many
discussions
with
regard
to
that
I'm
glad
to
see
the
mayor
here.
We
have
talked
about
issues
of
contaminated
structures
and
so
many
of
our
neighborhoods,
so
many
vacant
buildings
that
exist
in
the
city,
other
problems
of
neighborhoods
that
are
continuing
to
grow
that
we're
not
seeing.
A
When
we
originally
started
to
talk
about
this
issue,
we
talked,
we
talked
about
a
repro
home,
the
kind
of
program
or
a
three-legged
stool.
If
you
notice
the
way,
I
put
it
in
some
of
our
meetings
and
the
communities.
We
wanted
to
look
at
how
we
could
dispense
with
the
large
number
of
state,
delinquent
tax,
sale
properties
that
exist
in
the
city
of
Montgomery
and
look
for
ways
to
convey
those
properties
for
responsible
parties
so
that
they
could
do
something.
A
A
So
we
wanted
to
promote
the
idea
of
a
little
registration
and
an
inspection
program
and
and-
and
the
other
issue
was
to
look
at
these
vacant
and
abandoned
properties
that
we
see
littering
the
city
and
almost
every
sector
and
in
particular
the
board
impoverished
areas
of
our
city.
We
have
a
number
of
residential
dwellings
or
former
dwellings
that
are
sitting
vacant
on
the
west
side
of
town
every
third
one.
A
And
the
errors
when
the
city
was
not
nearly
as
source
cold
and
didn't
have
the
resources
that
it
has
today,
but
we
did
see
the
growth
of
the
light
that
we
see
in
the
city
that
we're
seeing
at
an
accelerated
rate
today.
So
I
believe
that
this
this
is
important
work
and
if
we
can
attack
those
areas
of
abandoned,
they
can
buildings
properties
that
are
not
being
taken
care
of,
because
they
happen
to
be
delinquent
with
a
state
tax
they
don't
receive.
A
B
D
B
C
And
so
that's
what
we've
now
included
3-1-1
and
includes
our
bonds,
slash
neighborhood
services
as
well,
so
I
think
there
was
some
confusion
in
terms
of
you
know
when
I
introduce
myself
with
people,
what
does
public
work
to
automatically
understand
what
Public
Works
does
what?
What
is
that
people
do
generally
understand
the
concept
of
city
services
and
so
I?
C
So
in
terms
of
the
city
services
that
we
provide
we're
the
experts
on
that
again,
like
Tracy,
didn't
wake
up
every
day
now,
specifically
towards
the
effort
that
we're
talking
about
here,
we've
found
even
renamed
in
our
inspections
department
to
include
that
bike
component,
okay,
so
under
leadership
Russell
in
the
inspection
/black
Department
he
like
removed.
So
he
also
we've
instituted
a
Hollywood
lights
are
but
Thomas
car
who
was
the
chief
of
pal
because
he
has
been
elevated
to
a
position
to
basically
and
very
specifically,
look
at
all
of
these
issues
that
transits
talking
about.
C
So
we
talked
about
a
three-legged
approach
or
replacements
or
whatever
it
was.
You
know
you
got
to
start
somewhere
get
a
baseline
of
where
we
are
in
anything,
in
my
mind,
to
figure
out
strategies
for
genocide
against
some
of
the
easy
things
that
we
had
already
been
doing,
because
there
is
a
process
set
up
already
through
the
housing
codes
and
through
our
property
maintenance
division.
C
You
know
we
tackle
the
four
major
issues
all
day.
Every
day,
clean
up
board
up,
fix
up,
Tara
take
her
down,
so
those
are
the
four
things
that
we
always
been
focused
on.
We
continue
to
be
folks,
but
we've
added
a
component
to
that
to
kind
of
look
in
try
to
talk,
as
you
say,
come
up
with
some
real
hard
numbers
in
terms
of
what
are
what
does
our
tax
sale
property
inventory?
Look
like
out
there.
We
already
know
laxative
out
there.
C
We
have
an
effort
where
we
took
in
some
of
those
types
of
properties
and
we
removed
a
lot
of
those
structures
that
were
on
there,
and
so
we
have
some.
They
can
see
the
property.
When
you
see
us
tear
down
a
piece
of
property
out
there,
that's
not
a
city
on
face
property
generally,
that
is
a
privately
owned
piece
of
property
that
we
have
ordered
the
owner
to
cater
to
Holland's
in
those
cases,
and
they
have
not
done
that.
We
were
doing
that
and
placing
a
lien
on
that
piece
of
property.
C
So
you
know
it
doesn't
because
we
toured
now
we
don't
it
doesn't
now
refer
back
over
to
us,
and
so
you
know,
we've
got
a
catalogue
of
properties
that
were
hammered
out
in
front
down
I'll.
Let
Thomas
speak
to
the
numbers
like
that.
That's
what
we've
been
doing
over
the
last
several
years
is
trying
to
take
those
down
you
someone
through
our
fully
ready
streets
program
and
try
to
get
the
worst
things
taken
care
of,
but.
B
C
E
With
the
new
money
that
we've
got,
the
Lord
forbid
with
aggressive,
we
had
some
that
some
engagement
with
a
team,
a
team
engages
and
informed
us
we
needed
to
come
in
line
with
a
new
process
that
they
got
a
new
director.
He
interpreted
his
room
different.
You
want
to
change
your
strategy,
so
we've
got,
we've
had
to
go
into
it.
C
E
More
and
more
time,
it's
an
asbestos
abatement
program,
so
so
we've
had
to
invest
into
some
some
expensive
testing
and
some
abatement
processes
to
remove
asbestos
through
our
demolition,
proper
process,
our
cost
has
increased
and
we
have
a
little
delay.
Gettin
start
this
year
with
that
today,
we're
at
about
75
approved
demolitions
were
continued
to
bring
them
on
board.
They
were
bringing
on
board
I.
Think
we've
got
30
out
of
there
after
testing.
E
B
E
Creative,
a
map-
if
you
will
allow
just
identify
all
the
players
when
we
have
a
property,
we
can
reach
out
to
touch
delivery,
charge
applause.
Maybe
the
organization's
Police
Department
are
code
enforcement
department,
sanitation
supervisors
to
trash,
so
we're
creating
a
network
of
city
employees
that
come
together
to
set
aside
these
problems.
E
The
state
properties,
when
you
talk
about
the
vacant
and
abandoned
properties
and
state
properties,
the
data
sources
that
we
started
pulling
together,
some
armor
or
third-party
data
sources
from
the
Water
Authority
power
companies
and
stuff,
like
that,
have
tough
to
four
different
vendors
that
wish
to
sell
us.
Some
software
very
expensive
software
through
working
with
Lou
and
his
team
manager,
who
decide
to
Google
transcript
for
something
in-house.
E
E
C
C
C
Without
it
was
excluded
from
any
type
of
further
testing
and
or
later,
and
so
the
previous
director
was
very
comfortable
that
scenario
and
that's
what
we
proceed,
we
still
notify
them
that
we
would
start
to
validate
notice
until
the
shut
off.
We
went
through
the
process,
just
as
we
understood
that
TV
when
they
had
that
changeover,
he
came
in.
He
said
no.
You
still
need
to
show
me
that
you've
tested
that
it
is
clear
and
there
is
no
asbestos
residential/commercial.
A
E
A
C
A
A
C
C
One
thing
would
contact
I.
Think
it's
a
very
simple
thing:
you
call
3-1-1,
there
is
a
group
of
people
who
get
that
directed
I
mean
three
one.
One
operator
doesn't
do
any
in
the
port,
they
don't
go
out
and
inspect,
they
don't
go
out
and
fix
a
pothole.
They
own
the
round
fix
a
traffic
sign
or
a
typewriter.
C
So
I
think
hopefully
I
mean
if
anybody
doesn't
understand
that
today
make
sure
they
do
understand
that
the
one
call
to
City
Hall.
If
you
have
an
issue,
you
think
you
need
a
service
that
the
city
can
provide.
Three
one
point
is
your
cost
to
augment
with
one?
That
is
a
call
you
can
make
that,
as
you
know,
from
7:00
to
5:00,
you
can
call
three
the
one
you
can
talk
to
someone,
but
the
city's
website
has
an
off
base.
C
C
So
we're
trying
to
you
know:
I,
guess
that
you
know
we'd
also
need
to
think
back
of
what
is
anything
fall
through
the
cracks,
because
what
the
three
to
one
service
is
meant
to
do
is
provide
a
sensible
way
to
not
only
get
the
service
requests
out
there,
but
also
receive
feedback
in
terms
of
where
does
that
sit?
Was
that
take
care
of?
C
Did
that
get
to
the
right
person,
and
so
if
they
give
us
their
contact
information
back,
we
can
let
them
know
whether
this
phone
call
or
the
email,
whether
the
text
message
whatever
it
is,
we
can
let
them
know.
Yes,
we
receive
your
request
with
routed
to
this
personnel.
This
is
the
date
that
you
can
expect
that,
or
this
is
a
routine
service.
This
happens,
you
know
every
Romanus
or
whatever
it
is,
and
it
sits
in
the
pipeline
of
those
type
of
things,
so
we're
trying
to
add
to
our
concept
with
open
data.
C
If
you
go
to
open
data,
smart
city,
icon
on
the
city
website
we're
trying
to
put
as
much
information
out
there
in
terms
of
street
painting
in
terms
of
sanitation
scandals
in
terms
of
work,
it
all
right
now
account
of
my
ditch
cutting
scenario
in
terms
of
that's
just
a
routine
maintenance
thing
that
people
call
about
all
the
time-
and
you
know
if
you
knew
the
numbers
of
dishes
that
were
cutting
it
and
how
we're
kind
of
where
our
resources
to
do
that.
It's
not
an
abandoned
response.
C
Type
of
situation
I
mean
using
example,
a
broom.
Now,
embeds
on
Wednesday
and
Julie,
they
basically
have
a
crew
starts
there
at
federal,
tribe,
Atlanta
highway
works
its
way
back
to
San
Tilly,
and
they
start
back
over
and
it's
just
whatever
time
that
takes
I
mean
last
year.
It
was
ran
every
day
it
seemed
like
so
not
only
were
ignited
would
cut
out
there,
but
we
did
cut.
You
know
we're
a
week
away
and
we'll
have
to
wait
on
that
highway
to
go
back
to
federal
private.
Look
like
we've
never
been
there.
C
A
A
C
C
A
Know
that
I
don't
like
it,
that's
the
point.
That's
the
point
a
moment.
I
want
to
point
out.
One
thing
is
I,
don't
think
it's
adequate
to
say
simply
just
don't
talk
that
kind
of
program.
The
question
is:
is
that
a
service
that
people
expect
from
the
Stasi
but
I
think
they
do
because
at
one
time
and
I
do
realize
that.
B
C
B
D
D
D
D
You
know
it
getting
down
to
some
of
this
and
I
think
Mitch
last
time,
but
I
stay
penalize,
but
we're
going
to
charge
people
more
money
because
they're
not
waking
up
to
sell
their
house
so
state.
At
a
time
now,
they've
got
two
mortgages
or
two
payments
plus
a
you
know
some
kind
of
fee
because
they
haven't
been
here
to
sell
their
house.
You
know
I,
guess
that.
Does
you
know
that
issue
there?
That's
why
I
kind
of
look
at
the
environment
on
vacant
versus
abandon
a
little
bit
on
different
levels.
A
Or
to
any
entity,
I
do
not
believe
that
it
would
be
fair
to
to
assess
a
charge
on
a
property
that
is
clearly
immediately
eligible
least
or
read,
is
worth
or
so,
and
I
think
that
exceptions
and
I
think
that
we
did
it
I
tried
to
address
some
of
them.
We
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
this
in
business.
This
is
going
back.
A
So
there
was
certainly
the
exception
he's
built
into
any
ordinance
that
we
and
we
certainly
would
not
be
looking
to
obsess
a
fee
on
someone's
property
in
the
process
of.
So
the
efforts
of
being
there,
there's
clear
evidence
and
the
process
of
being
sold
with
it
was
an
effort
to
convey
it
I
think
that
we
could
address
those
fascination.
C
It's
very
clear.
You
know
if
you
have
a
very
clear
definition
of
something
within,
but
it
does
not
include
this.
These
10
things,
you
know
something
something
get
caught
up
its.
Why,
somewhere,
they
should
have
been
accepted,
didn't
accept
it
or
we
didn't
address
it,
because
we
assumed
that
there
was
an
exception.
So
we
would
be.
You
know
the
bag
either
way,
and
so
we
get
stuck
in
a
kind
of
a
lose-lose
situation,
so
I
just
throw
that
out.
There
is
you
you
know
target.
A
Well,
you
know
I,
believe
that
I
understand
what
you're
saying
but
I
believe
that
there
are
exceptions
to
every
rule.
There
I
think
that
although
the
ordinances
I
mean
I'm
telling
you
that
we
look
at
from
around
the
country
where
there
are
rental
registration
movements,
but
they
were
thinking
and
abandoned
building
ordinances,
and
they
all
have
some
exceptions
in
some
way
sure
we
talked
about
the
charitable
organizations
who
talked
about
governing.
C
A
A
C
B
A
A
A
A
F
And,
as
we've
talked,
we
are
looking
for
a
way
to
enforce
the
business
license
as
it
pertains
to
residential
language.
Our
business
license
code
does
have
a
provision
to
require
residential
landlords
to
to
maintain
a
business
license
the
difficult
of
course
that
is
never
liked
to
have
ordered
some
books.
F
If
somebody
is
operating
the
business
and
they
don't
take
the
business
license,
it's
very
easy
for
us
to
ask
June
police
or
the
police
department
to
go
out
and
close
this
business
because
they
don't
have
the
proper
license.
When
you
get
to
residential
real
estate,
we
can't
do
houses
on
somebody
how
to
stay
tenant.
It's
limited.
We
can't
close
that
business
because
they're
out
of
code,
so
those
are
some
of
the
difficulties
that
were
we've
been
working
on
ways
to
get
that
process
started.
F
We've
looked
at
other
cities,
one
in
particular
that
we
might
hospital
has
a
license
where
they
require
registrations,
but
they
don't
require
inspections
from
the
codes
department
or
they
ignore
the
article
that
that's
something
we're
looking
at
now.
Legal,
the
city's
legal
Department
is
looking
into
how
you
get
the
exclusion
way
our
ordinance
or
written.
In
order
to
get
business
license,
you
have
to
get
approval
from
inspections
and
Fire.
Department
Hospital
has
the
same
provision.
F
All
cities
do
there
must
be
a
way
around
this,
but
four
thousand
ten
thousand
residential
rental
properties,
and
let
me
be
clear:
why
plexus
you
notice
a
you
know.
Cluster
of
four
residential
units
are
greater
than
is
considered
apartment
complex
and
we
will
require
lesser.
That's
what
we're
talking
about
primarily
single-family
homes,
duplexes,
to
progress.
F
What
we're
looking
at
is
something
that
would
essentially
be
registration.
I,
don't
see
some
some
orders
taken
notes
and
I.
Don't
want
anybody
to
get
the
impression
that
it
seems
for
product
balance
their
budget
with
with
residential
land
works.
It
is
an
effort
for
us
to
get
a
registration
of
rental
properties
were
out
there.
It
would
be
impossible
to
be
thirty.
F
Fifty
we're
did
a
clarification
on
that,
but
I
think
it
is
per
unit
35
per
per
unit.
If
you've
got
50
houses
it'd
be
35,
we
would
probably
reduce
it,
reduce
it
to
something
less
than
that.
It's
not
a
revenue-raising
measure
as
much
as
we're
trying
to
address
the
problem
of
landlords
and
are
taking
care
of
the
properties
and
wanting
to
get
a
hold
of
books,
and
we
have
the
ability
to
to
follow
up
with
inspections,
and
we
always.
F
F
There
are
things
that
can
be
done
and
there
are
ways
to
address
so,
while
I
don't
think
that
the
revenue
division
is
going
to
be
able
to
solve
the
problem,
we
certainly
want
to
do
our
share.
We
pledge
our
support
and
getting
the
registration
in
place,
we're
continuing
to
gather
information.
We
want
to
get
answers
to
questions
like
that.
Is
this
per
unit
basis.
As
you
know,
say,
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
revenue
flatten
out
you've
got
one
unit
of
fifty
trying
to
get
clarification
with
some
of
those
issues.
F
F
The
biggest
pushback
from
the
legal
department
is,
you
know,
once
we
find
out
that
you've
got
somebody
out
of
appliance,
you
can
go
through
a
court
process.
Well,
what
I
like
about
the
revenue
division
with
business
licenses?
We
bring
somebody
before
City
Council
things
get
fixed
and
that's
not
going
to
be
a
threat.
We
kept
a
prisoner
to
rule
state
if,
given
the
registration
starts,
the
process
again.
B
F
F
Show
us
where
the
heart
of
your
house
has
a
license
to
do
business.
So
there's
a
practical
things
will
be
different
for
reputation.
We
will
work
to
get
registered
to
get
the
process
started,
but
the
enforcement
I
think
is
will
be
something
different
than
what
we've
been
used
to
go
or
maybe
was
adjusting.
A
A
There
would
be
the
same
latitude
available
to
enforce
with
the
licenses,
as
with
other
business.
I
do
realize
that
different
I
do
realize
that
we're
not
going
to
send
inspectors
out
to
inspect
every
single
resident
rather
than
the
city,
and
that
certainly
is
something
that
we
I
realize
that.
But
there
are
cities
that
do
require
inspections
of
properties
on
a
regular
basis
and
they
require
the
owner
of
the
property
the
papal
in
some
instances.
So
it's
not
as
if
it
cannot
be
done
it
can.
D
D
My
mission,
probably,
is
what
you
do
that
you
know,
would
let
you
works
the
enemy
or
your
dog
sleep
and
how
we
get
them,
whether
it's
the
threat
of
inspections
and
following
through
with
the
inspections
and
you
know,
shutting
it
down
whatever
it
is,
but
that
the
difference
you
know
not
everybody
on
the
same
umbrella,
you
know
saying
they're,
all
bad
or
penalizing
everybody.
That's
doing
it
for
the
most
part
of
the
right
way.
That's
simple
and
clean
exactly
how
we
get
from
good.
Is
it
fine
to
you
know
and.
F
There
are
different
sets
of
rules
involving
almost
making
me
to
speak
to
them,
but
you
know
the
tire
dealer
across
the
street
on
the
street:
they
don't
operate.
It's
easy
to
build,
shut
that
down.
You
don't
have
a
business
license
with
a
right
hand,
you
gotta
go
and
you
get
landlords
for
tennis
involved.
F
With
intelligently
about
what
is
just
different,
that's
not
to
say
we're
not
going
to
do
this
at
the
start,
there
will
be
some
good
plumbing
in
the
ideal
reader
fashion
it
in
a
way
that
will
not
penalize
the
people
that
are
doing
things
right,
and
this
is
not
a
big
revenue
creation
management
we're
trying
to
get
done
through
the
city.
It's
trying
to
clean
it
up
doing
it
right,
get
a
record
and
put
us
in
a
position
to
clean
up.
D
D
Business,
whether
it's
state
Realtors,
are
the
local
Mars
that
I
think
those
would
be.
You
know
good
voices
and
people
to
work
with
whether
we
have
working
the
session
coming
up.
Once
we
get
a
little
bit
more
detailing
this
to
see
what
would
work
for
everybody,
but
get
it.
What
we're
trying
to
get
office.
A
A
A
But
this
vacant
building
warnings
and
I
know
we.
The
time
is
spent
we're
not
going
to
take
it
much
longer
in
obviously
we're
not
gonna
come
to
a
consensus
here
today,
but
the
proposed
vacant
building,
the
ordinance
that
we've
proposed
have
about
two
bullet
points.
Just
to
give
our
committee
and
our
city,
officials
and
the
stakeholders,
you
know
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
do.
A
We
have
a
profile
you
know
of
a
number
of
cities
that
have
these
vacant
abandoned,
building
and
I
just
pulled
a
few,
because,
as
I
said,
there
are
dozens
of
them
and
you'll
find
most
of
them
have
pretty
much
common
components.
They
all
require
the
only
to
apply
for
a
registration
certificate
within
so
many
days
of
the
building
becoming
vacant.
A
They
most
of
them
require
a
certificate
period
which
expires
at
a
certain
time.
It
has
to
be
renewed.
Obviously,
the
the
object
is
to
make
certain
that
people
stay
aware
and
vigilant
about
the
need
to
do
something
about
a
vacant
property
or
a
property
that
could
be
considered
abandoned.
The
ordinance
which
we
modeled
most
of
what
we
did
after
was
north
of
Chicago
I,
believe
it
has
an
official
certificate
of
6
months
and
after
that,
six
month
period.
A
It
had
to
be
renewed
for
another
six
months
and
after
that,
six
month
period
of
six
months
and
for
a
maximum
of
18
months
and
the
ordinance
which
we
pulled
together,
we
bump
that
up
to
24
months
so
rather
than
the
three
rules
we
would
have
for
regionals
and
B
and
the
ordinance
that
we
were
that
we're
proposing
it
would
and
and
at
the
end
of
that
24
month
period.
If
the
building
still
remained
in
vacant,
then
the
owner
of
that
building
was
accepted
to
something
like
the
administrative
fee
that
we
have
assessed
against
people.
F
A
Could
look
at
with
the
Montgomery
City
Council
and
determine
what
that
could
be
scheduled
to
be
the
owner
of
the
building?
All
would
be
required
according
to
our
ordinance
and
most
of
the
other
ordinances,
to
complete
the
statement
of
intent.
That
is
what
you
plan
to
do
when
the
building
state
your
future
plans
for,
but
the
future
of
this
building
is
the
building
must
be
made
accessible
for
city
inspectors
of
the
city,
decided
they
wanted
to
inspect
the
building,
but
once
again,
we're
not
talking
about
imposing
some
kind
of
mandatory
inspection
schedule.
A
We're
saying
that
the
building
in
city
inspectors
decided
that
the
building
reasonable
evidence
ought
to
be
inspected
because
it
said
non-compliance,
then
the
building
would
have
to
be
available
for
inspection
by
city
inspectors.
Our
ordinance
would
say
that
the
owner
has
30
days
to
bring
the
building
into
compliance
with
maintenance
codes
found
to
be
in
full
compliance.
Now.
A
The
30
days
is
something
of
a
misnomer,
because
the
30
days
would
all
be
coming
to
effect
after
90
days,
because
we
talked
about
20
days,
we're
saying
that
the
building
would
not
be
declared
vacant
or
abandoned
unless
it
has
been
vacant
or
abandoned
for
these
90
days.
And
then
after
the
90
day
period,
then
the
owner
of
the
building
has
30
day
period
with
which
to
correct
any
problems
with
the
building.
According
to
city
maintenance
code
and.
A
E
E
A
My
my
my
view
is
that
the
city
is
abandoned,
because
the
city
does
nothing
to
actively
police
them
to
maintain
I.
Just
think
the
city
walked
away
from
the
many
many
years
ago
and
expected
that
the
property
owners
whose
properties
were
contiguous
to
those
alleyways
take
care
of
them.
We
have
the
planning
department
and
there's
a
whole
network
of
alleyways
in
neighborhoods
my
type
of
park,
but
there
are
no
driveways
and
people
expected
to
access
their
homes
from
from
from
the
back
door
and
the
other
ways
exist,
but
they
are
not
being
maintained.
C
That
we
just
said
we're
walking
away
from
I
mean
there
exist,
alleyways,
all
over
town
there,
a
summer
private,
Sun
Republic.
You
know
those
sorts
of
things.
If
you
look
on
an
old
map
of
Montgomery
and
something
there
are
networks
of
alleys
that
were
planned,
but
never
done,
there
are
streets
that
were
planned
and
never
built,
and
those
sorts
of
things
exist
all
over
the
town,
so
they've
never
been
dedicated
to
the
city
for
maintenance.
C
Normally,
what
happens
is
when
a
developer
builds
the
neighborhood
they
flat
the
whole
subdivision,
and
they
incrementally
build
that
out
and
as
those
different
things
are
built
and
they're
expected
by
the
city,
they
come
to
a
certain
standard.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
they
don't
dedicated
plaque
or
the
city
or
perpetual
maintenance.
So
again,.
B
C
E
C
So
you
kind
of
get
into
those
issues.
You
know
another
example
if
somebody
takes
their
degree
and
they
put
it
in
front
or
on
their
neighbors
property
right.
So
the
neighbor
calls
me
to
say:
I
need
you
to
do
something
about
this
neighbor
who
just
put
something
on
my
property.
Well,
unfortunately,
it's
your
problem,
then
I
didn't
see
good.
You
saw
him
dude.
C
You
have
some
action
from
a
neighbor
to
neighbor
standpoint,
but
if
I'm
going
to
affect
something
from
a
property
maintenance
standpoint,
I
have
to
take
care
of
it
or
the
adjacent
property
owner,
not
the
one
who
you
tell
me,
you
know
put
it
on
you
made
problem.
So
all
these
are
just
kind
of
little
new
box
issues.
You
come
up.
C
With
even
it
just
sounded
like
when
Trey
said,
we've
abandoned
the
bus
values
and
technically
I,
don't
make
distinction.
If
these
aren't
paid
alleys
and
active
streets
or
anything
like
that,
I
think
they're,
distinct
phases,
there's
things
that
were
never
actually
put
in
place
or
if
they
were,
they
fall.