Montgomery Capital City Connection (CCC) Planning Commission, 27 Jan 2022

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PLANNING COMMISSION
JANUARY 27, 2022 - 5:00 PM

1. 9141 PRESENTED BY: J. M. Garrett & Son
REPRESENTING: Clifford Winston
SUBJECT: Request final approval of Clifford Winston Plat No. 1 located at the south intersection of Old Wetumpka Highway and Fuller Road in an R-50 (Single Family Residential) Zoning District.

2. 8860 PRESENTED BY: Larry E. Speaks & Associates, Inc.
REPRESENTING: Wells Printing Company, Inc.
SUBJECT: Request final approval of Wells Printing Company, Inc. Plat No. 1 located on the north side of Troy Highway, approximately 750 ft. east of Bell Road, in an M-1 (Light Industry) Zoning District.

3. 9142 PRESENTED BY: Barrett-Simpson, Inc.
REPRESENTING: City of Montgomery
SUBJECT: Request final approval of Freedom Village Plat No. 1 located on the west side Edgar D. Nixon Avenue, approximately 184 ft. north of Liberty Street, in an R-60-m (Multi-Family Residential) Zoning District.

4. RZ-2022-003 PRESENTED BY: Laina Costanza
REPRESENTING: Same
SUBJECT: Request to rezone one (1) parcel of land containing 2.12 acres located on the west side of Watson Circle, approximately 400 ft. south of Atlanta Highway, from a B-3 (Commercial) Zoning District to an R-100 (Single-Family Residential) Zoning District.

5. RZ-2022-002 PRESENTED BY: Troy L. Blevins
REPRESENTING: Same
SUBJECT: Request to rezone one (1) lot located on the north side of West Second Street, approximately 300 ft. east of Forest Avenue, from an O-1 (Office) Zoning District to a B-1-b (Central Business) Zoning District. (1721 West Second Street)

6. RZ-2003-029 PRESENTED BY: Carson Baird
REPRESENTING: Collision Craft, Inc.
SUBJECT: Request to rezone one (1) parcel of land containing 1.53 acres located on the north side of Cong. W. L. Dickinson Drive adjacent to the CSX Railroad from an M-1-Q (Light Industrial-Qualified) Zoning District to a B-3 (Commercial) Zoning District.

7. RZ-2022-001 PRESENTED BY: Steven Zimmerman
REPRESENTING: Zimmerman Capital, LLC
SUBJECT: Request to rezone one (1) parcel of land containing 18 (+/-) acres located on the southwest corner of East South Boulevard and Woodley Road from a B-4 (Commercial) Zoning District to a B-2 (Commercial) Zoning District.

Item #8 - DELAYED by petitioner

8. RZ-2021-016 PRESENTED BY: Gonzalez-Strength & Associates, Inc.
REPRESENTING: MAPCO
SUBJECT: Request to rezone land located on the northeast corner of North Holt Street and Herron Street from a T4-R (General Urban Zone-Restricted) SmartCode Zoning District to a B-3 (Commercial) Zoning District.

The next Planning Commission meeting will be February 24, 2022 @ 5:00

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For or against the request will be asked to come forward to the microphone and express their opinion. Each side will have a total of 10 minutes to speak, plots rezonings, revised master plans, street renamings and tax amendments require a public hearing, and once the public hearing is completed, planning commission members will deliberate and render their decision planning. Commission members with a personal or financial interest in any petitioner's request are required to recuse themselves.

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The members of the planning commission are and clemens yours. Truly. We have a new member of mr garrett smith to my left, he's taken to reggie manteus place, and then we have. uh Mr frank cook goes to my right, mr buddy harwick to my left.

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Mr cruz reads to my left immediately mr reginald hawkins to my right, mr reggie dunn, to my right and mr james reed to my right, and we also have miss leslie stones in the far left, the members and in the land use staff tonight on mr tommy tyson mr james center and miss jovan heinz members and petitioners are requested to please speak directly into the microphone.

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The minutes are reported for legal purposes, and this is the only way to accurately pick up the audio tonight. We do have nine members and it takes five votes to pass a motion because of the number of members present, and I don't think that you have to do this uh to delay your request. If you have, we had less than nine members, and that would be a concern for you and now I'd like to ask if there are any changes to the agenda. Mr tyson.

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The last item um it's been delayed to february the 24th, the next meeting. That's a request to rezone properly on hold street.

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Thank you, sir. Before we continue, I would like to uh ask that we have a motion to accept the minutes. Is there any correction motion.

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Second, moving properly. Second, all those in favor motion passes. The minutes have been adopted. Thank you so much first item. Please, sir.

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First item was presented by j.m garrett and son on behalf of clifford winston. It's a request for final approval of clifford winston flat number one located on the south intersection of old mauitumka highway and fuller road. In a or 60 I mean our 50th district.

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Petition and president.

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All right petition is not present.

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Secure it over.

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Next items by larry speaks and associates inc and, on behalf of wells, printing company inc, requesting final approval of wells, printing company flat number one on the north side of troy highway some 750 feet east of bell road. It's a m-1 district.

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Stephen speaks with larry speaks and associates representing wells. Printing um wells owns a piece of undeveloped piece of property, as you see on the on maps on the southeast side of their main plant site there. At the corner of bell and troy highway they're proposing to plant this 8.48 acres, the intent is to sell to the neighboring church, true divine church next door.

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All right, thank you. Any comments, questions from the commission.

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Questions or comments from the audience.

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Is there a motion move to approve second move them properly? Second, all those in favor motion passes. Thank you, sir.

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The next item is about barrett simpson inc, on behalf of the city of montgomery, requesting final approval of freedom, village flat number one on the west side of edgar d, nixon avenue, some 184 feet, north of liberty street in an r60m district.

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Good evening, blake rice from barry simpson engineering, same property. I had before this commission I believe month before last for the freedom village multifamily. This is a plaque cutting that partial up into the the majority partial that's needed for the project, as well as a small secondary parcel that will be left as a future amenities site for the development to the south, be happy to answer any questions.

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I got one I noticed on the phase 3c. It shows elm street that street's not going to go through there. Is it no.

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I'm just surprised it's showing it.

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Any other questions from the commission.

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The audience have any questions or concerns for this project.

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Is there a motion.

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Motion to approve.

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A second losing process; second, all those in favor.

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Thank you motion.

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Passes. Thank you.

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The motion was moved and second, and I did not ask for opposition, is there any opposition to this project.

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No, I mean you need to act. I.

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Will do that, sir? Thank you. So much did you oppose? Yes, all right. Did you get that note that there was eight four and one against by mr dunn? Thank you, mr dunn.

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The next item is presented by elena trust stanza on her behalf, requesting to re-zone a partial land, 2.12 acres on the west side of watson circle approximately 400 feet south of atlanta highway from a b 3 to r 100.

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Petition is not present.

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The next item is presented by troy blevins on his own behalf, requesting to rezone one lot on the north side of west 2nd street. Approximately 300 feet east of forest avenue from o1 zoning to a b-1b district.

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In a thousand.

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Y'all sure you all gave me the right date.

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Let's see what this.

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You have an item on the agenda. Man.

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All right, the next item is presented by carson byrd on behalf of collision craft inc, requesting to rezone one parcel of land. 1.53 acres on the north side of congress from w.l dickinson drive adjacent to the csx railroad from m1q to b3.

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I'm not carson bear, I believe, but I couldn't let you all go again. No, um I'm lee mary weather here in place of carson baird uh on behalf of collision craft, asking to rezone his property from m1q back to b3. It's original zoning.

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Go ahead there you want, oh, go.

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Is the purpose of this going to be for auto repair right here? Is the purpose of this going to be auto repair strictly auto repair.

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It is auto body repair, it's not mechanic work. Okay, yes,.

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But it's not going to be for storage.

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No, I mean having cars there, you know leaving cars.

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Six months, eight months, oh.

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Okay, let's make sure uh mr bear. I understand that.

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uh What's what what's in it now.

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uh A company called innovative graphic solutions.

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And they're moving.

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And they are moving out: okay, that's correct, okay and and back when we rezoned it. Then we planted it. I mean we cued it for that purpose. Yeah. I don't remember why it was skewed, but it was.

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Any other questions from the commission concerned.

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As anyone in the audience has a concern or a question that you want to.

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For some reason,.

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I misunderstood.

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When I first got here- um and I guess y'all have moved quite quickly because I was coming for number three and I wanted to ask- because I have requested uh the planning commission information.

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No, no, let me speak please because the information, the information that I'm looking at says that your ex term has expired. At least three or four of y'all term has expired.

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All I wanted to know is if your term has been renewed. Where are the minutes in the city council meeting? I was there when they renewed mr duns um garrett smith, because the other guy resigned or something so he was appointed by my councilman.

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So if your term has expired and you haven't been reappointed, does that mean that this is a fully operational planning.

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Commission you have to take it up with the planning department now man, the city council. We have not we're not on that item and all the item has passed and right now we're dealing with so.

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How can you operate as a commission if your term has expired.

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That's an entirely different conversation that has nothing to do with items so.

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We should business shouldn't go on as.

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Possible tonight, if you.

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The if the individuals are making decisions and terms have been expired, that should be illegal by acts 6 18 and by the bylaws that you all are supposed to follow.

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And then you rush through the agenda.

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We're not discussing that now. That is not the item on this agenda right now,.

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Okay, well I'll ask the media.

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All right uh is there any concerns from the audience who do you like to speak? Regarding this particular item.

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Is their emotions for item number six move to approval.

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Move them properly. Second, all those in favor, any opposition.

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Thank you so much so noted next item. Please thank.

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You next item is by stephen zimmerman: zimmerman capital llc, requesting re-zone one portion of land, 18 plus or minus acres on the southwest corner of east south boulevard and woodley road from b4 to b2.

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So I'm looking to resell my shopping center, it's a 200, 000 square foot shopping center. I've got a 74 000 square foot old, surface merchandise in there and I'm looking to rezone it from b4 to b2 to include self storage.

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I have a question: the self storage. Is it going to be inside or outside.

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The whole thing with the inside: yes, so uh so you know people can bring uh rvs or votes or whatever they'd be able to bring them inside. No.

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No no it'll be for home goods.

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Home goods only yes, yes,.

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Are all of those uh are all of your buildings going to be for storage? No, just that.

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Just just just one: it's.

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A retail center, so I've got like metro, pcs, restaurants, a grocery store, but this center space is a is a tough one to lease. But we've had a lot of interest with self storage. Okay,.

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I got you, I got you, okay, thank you.

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So you won't be tearing everything down so so you won't be tearing anything down. You just.

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It's it's one, there's nothing to do. There's no, no won't be doing any construction other than.

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Paint right right: okay,.

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Is that the area that right there, where the burger king is, is that that plaza? Is that what we talked about?.

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That's it. Yes, that's mine, yes, and so.

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That area, that's in the middle there that's empty.

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That big one in the middle yeah yeah- that's that's empty. So.

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That's the area that you're going to make us inside storage unit. Yes,.

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Miss clements uh staff questions, sir. Is this going to be accessible over here? Is this going to be accessible like 24 hours a day? No okay, so it will be secured, have a passcode or something.

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So that would be something that we do into the lease with the tenants, but no one can get into that property without, like you know like when you go to a gym and you have to have a card or something to get in to get their own, but I don't even think they're going to allow that. I'm not sure to be honest with you, it's just like a regular self storage where it's in indoors, but it's not going to be someone won't be. I don't believe someone will be sitting there. 24 7.

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No, but will the property would be accessible, 24 7.. Can somebody go in at 3 o'clock in the morning and get something out? Okay, there will be hours of operation, they.

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Are on all my everything: has hours of operation they're not allowed to be open past a certain point in my center? Thank.

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But you're you're leasing it to someone who's going to do the storage. Yes, another entity you're just going to still own the building. That's correct: okay, you're, okay,.

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My question is more of the department of planning. I didn't understand your comment. What was the purpose of the comment.

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Which? Coming from under remarks.

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Right under under the remarks there in the department of planning the remarks.

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It's the description of what he's um seeking.

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The over saturation.

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That was my question. What what's the what's the issue there.

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And it's observation by the planning director that uh there's a lot of um mini warehouse and self storage in that area. It's just.

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Why don't you have the same issue with gas stations or with hotels or whatever? I don't quite understand the comment.

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Mr cook, you have to address mr smith he's the director, it's just that we have to send them to them. I I see what you're saying I don't. I don't quite understand the comment at.

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It has more than it was marketing than anything about um the sony.

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Yeah I mean I just didn't understand the comment I mean I don't understand. Would you please address that with mr smith and ask him why he's putting something like this in the comments sure I would appreciate it because I don't. I just don't understand the comment I mean, there's no need for it.

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If these, if these people want to lease it and and it's perfectly zoned, then there shouldn't even be an issue.

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Doesn't he didn't make it about the hotels in the city about the third gas station on the corner? I mean what what triggers the comment? I don't.

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Okay, well that's my question. I.

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Okay, well I mean he doesn't it's sort of out of the blue.

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Well, mr cook, we've had, as you aware, we've had several new um storage facilities in the past right.

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18 months, all around town.

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Right and and if somebody feels that they can work a deal and they feel like they can do the deal and it meets the zoning. What's the issue, I don't know, okay. Well, that's my comment. I mean I don't understand why he makes a comment when there's no need for one unless he's gonna. Do it on every other item where he thinks that things are.

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What's your answer, we don't get these kind of comments from uh hamburger places.

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That's my whole point: is we don't get them on other things? I don't know why that's my point. I mean I don't quite understand why he wants to get involved with this particular one.

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That's something you have to ask well.

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Be glad to ask.

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Him, but I will okay well, if you can ask him, please do so and I'd appreciate his response. He can call me.

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Yes, I would like to say that uh mr zimmerman, yes, that the neighborhood association did meet and discuss this issue. Their concern was, which is a little different than what you just said.

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Their concern was that it would not be an additional building storage, but what you're saying is that it's going to be the existing center part of capitol plaza, that's going to be an inside storage operation. That's.

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Correct that's.

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Only going to be like uh furniture storage or whatever the person is going to put in there that's.

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Anything additional to that building is that correct.

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Yes, there's no place to, I couldn't add to the building. If I wanted to okay.

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I just wanted to be sure yeah.

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No it there it's no different than uh like. Mr cook said that and.

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Right now that that property is empty, is that correct? Yes,.

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Okay, so it's no different than if you walk into a dollar general. It's everything's inside there's nothing being built outside. There's no outside storage, there's no outside access, you wouldn't even know it's a personal storage other than the sign on the building. Excuse.

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Me no go ahead.

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Explain to me how they're going to actually bring items into that building, I mean: where do you stop? Where do you? You know, because you had a parking lot, I mean: why are they going? How are they going to get things in and out that was.

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An old service merchandise right, I know, I know the building. We've got two loading docks on the back on the back and we have a drive-in dock.

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Okay, so they're gonna load from the back okay, everything's.

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Loaded in the back, yes,.

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So so there's nothing coming out front. That's uh to my.

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Knowledge or anything other than grabbing a like a small item like a shirt.

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They but we've got all the any big storage will be all the stuff that'll be inside the containers or whatever they're putting in there will be installed through the back now, when people need couches and beds and stuff there'll be a service, I'm sure that picks it up or they pick it up and bring it out in the back and then they unload it and put them in the storage.

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But no it's not going to be a thoroughfare in the front. It can't.

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Any other place do.

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You mind that being part of this process of approval, I'm sorry, do you mind that what you just said being a part of this process- in other words, it would be access to it from uh for loading and unloading would be from the exterior from the.

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Rear from the rear, yes, you mean it's meaning if they did unload or unload in the front. I'd be breaking the oh.

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I mean there's going to be some small.

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There's going to be some.

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I guess what I'm trying to see. I can see that being a real problem.

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I don't mind: if you add it to it anything big enough has to go through the back. You can't stick, you can't get them through doors like this, like those double all we have in the front leading to. There are two double doors like we I just walked into so anything they can get through. Those double doors is going to be minimal, any big kind of storage will be, it has to go, it has physically has to go through the back.

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And and getting it to where they put it, they've got machines to move that they'll.

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Have forklifts on four clips: I've got a drive up dock to get forklifts in and out. Okay, not not a duck. You see not not a. uh uh I figure what they're calling not the ones you see, diesels back up to in their level. Yes,.

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It's it's a ramp and you could, if you wanted to, you, could drive an 18-wheeler inside this space. Oh.

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You just answered yeah. Thank you. It's really. I had it built for, hopefully to get a I've, had a lot of interest for personal storage.

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Okay, thank you. You're welcome.

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Any other questions or comments any things from the audience. Would you like to come and speak any anyone from the audience?

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Is there a motion.

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I moved to approve with the qualifications that uh mr uh hardcore buddy said.

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Johan is that that noted, mr martin? Thank you all right. Is there a second and.

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Any really restrictions on it. I just so.

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Yeah, I left it kind of open with to understand the large items from the back small items from the front.

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Basically, right.

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Is there a second.

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Will then properly? Second, all those in favor emotion passes in your position.

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And on the motion process, thank you so much. Thank you.

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I think eight is gone. It's not on here. Eight has been delayed.

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Yes february 24. all right. That brings us to the part of the agenda where we need to elect.

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Do you mind asking if somebody happened to come in that we did that.

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Is anybody on the in the audience that had an item on the agenda and did not and was tardy.

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All right there are none and we're as a part of the agenda where we need to elect new officers. I am going to relinquish the gamble.

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And it's been a blast.

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You're so happy.

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Madam chair, I uh nominate mr hardwick for president chairman chairman for chairman president.

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Might not be bad.

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Sorry about that.

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All right, mr hardwood has been nominated. Are there any other nominations.

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Are there any other nominations.

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Are there any other nominations.

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All right now is there a motion to accept I'm looking forward to the nomination.

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Is there a motion to accept.

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I'll make a motion that we accept. uh Mr hardwick has a chair.

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Losing properly second and mr heart will become the next chair men and we are delighted all those in favor.

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Any opposition. I thought we all ready hearing none. The motion passes. No, you did not vote you nominated three times and then okay promotion.

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Now we need to nominate a vice chair.

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I'd like to uh nominate mr james reed.

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All right, mr james reed, has been nominated. Are there any other nominations.

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Are there any other nominations?

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Any other nomination.

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Nomination has closed. Is there a motion to accept mr james reid, as our vice chair is your emotion, move.

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Second, all right, second, that mr james reed will serve as vice chair all those in favor.

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Unanimous promotion carriage, mr james reid, is our new vice chair. Thank you. So very much now we need to elect secretary.

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Tommy, do you really want to do that, or is that just kind of a customary thing? What tell me tell.

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Me pretty much my job, I'm executive secretary for four boards.

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Okay, okay, so I mean.

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There's things.

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Okay, all right is there signatures, and all you have to do for the commission. Is that what that is? I mean for the for the planning commission. Well I'll, do that as well. You.

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Know on glass- and you know the signatures stamp- this reach a lot.

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Any other nominations any other nomination. All right. The nomination is closed on the said name, mr tommy tyson, all those in favor. Is there a motion rather.

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I make a motion with except mr tyson as secretary all.

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Right, their second move, the property second, mr buddy, harvard just not seconded all those in favor, any opposition hearing none emotion passes and the illustrious mr tommy tyson has been re-elected.

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Thank you, sir appreciate that and mr tyson for your service.

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While we're here.

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Person that came to the microphone and and discuss uh uh expiration dates and all that kind of thing who does she talk to? Because uh this is not the.

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No, it's not, and we've discussed it in the office before and traditionally been servicing to you to you replaced. You helped hold over and I'll make sure that uh properly doing it. That way, it's been that way for a long long time.

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They have to redominate us every three years.

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Yes, but um the practice has been sometimes their counseling.

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It has difficulty finding a replacement or what whatever we're trying to say is that we, the practice, is to hold over until there is a replacement right arena or rio.

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A fact that we quite often meet without a full board and if one person hadn't been renominated, that one vote wouldn't make that much difference.

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Well, it's interesting that it came up, because that was one of my points that I wanted. I I've asked, and uh you quite frequently uh about once a year, asked to get a copy of the uh people on it and also when their appointments are because they're it. It really is to our advantage, as as a board, to make sure that you know. Let me say it this way. I can't argue with the lady.

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I can't argue with her.

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Let me say one thing:.

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And I think we can could I get that sent to me.

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Let me say this: your advisor: what your activity is advisory. It's you know you make a recommendation for rezoning on plats by state law. The only thing that's required is a public hearing and you can't deny a platform on no reason you you have to act on it if it's something if it fails to meet standards that the city requires in next grounds to to deny, but the other actions that this body takes or advisory to the council.

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Isn't a re-platt where they come to the city and re-plat? Isn't that the same as a rezoning.

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No, it's not no, it's the same as something.

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It's just changing the plan, but if they come and put it and put it with the city and that, but we just went through with the problem over it.

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Cook I'm going to allow I'm going to adjourn the meeting so that the general is fine meeting has been adjourned.

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