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A
Microphone
and
expressed
their
opinion,
each
side
will
have
a
total
of
10
minutes
to
speak.
Development
plans
require
a
public
hearing.
However,
no
action
will
be
taken
by
the
Planning
Commission
members.
Platts
reasonings,
revised
master
plans
and
street
renaming
require
a
public
hearing,
and
once
the
public
hearing
is
completed,
Planning
Commission
members
will
deliberate
and
render
their
decision
Planning.
Commission
members
with
a
personal
or
financial
interest
in
any
petitioners
requests
are
required
to
recuse
themselves.
I
would
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
introduce
the
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
mr.
A
A
Members
and
petitioners
are
requested
to
please
speak
directly
into
the
microphone.
The
minutes
are
recorded
for
legal
purposes,
and
this
is
the
only
way
to
accurately
pick
up
the
audio.
We
have
seven
members
with
us
tonight.
It
takes
five
votes
to
pass
a
motion
because
of
the
number
of
members
here
tonight.
If
you
would
like
to
delay
your
request,
please
let
us
know
when
your
request
is
announced.
A
B
D
E
Right,
yes,
we
are
proposing
a
new
O'reilly
Auto
Parts
Store,
it's
in
a
currently
vacant
lot.
Next
to
the
CVS,
it's
approximately
7,500
square
foot,
building,
masonry
construction
to
my
knowledge,
I
believe
we're
meeting
all
zoning
requirements
for
that
area.
We've
been
working
with
staff
and
have
addressed
all
of
their
issues
and
comments.
I
think
up
to
this
point,
so
so
I
think
we
feel,
like
we've
got
a
good
plan
put
together,
that
it
will
be
a
good
addition
to
that
area.
A
Thank
You
Lesley,
any
members
of
the
Commission
have
any
questions
or
comments
for
the
petitioner.
Seeing
none
are
there
any
members
of
the
audience
who
wish
to
speak
for
or
against
this
item,
seeing
none.
This
is
a
development
plan
which
does
not
require
a
vote
so
we'll
declare
public
hearing
has
been
held.
B
A
A
E
A
E
B
E
E
B
E
My
name
is
Ed,
nobody
hooks,
and
you
know
that
was
our
main
concern
because
we
had
hay
heard
so
many
rumors
about
different
things
that
were
going
to
go
there
because
we're
this
property's
located
is
a
very
small
neighborhood
and
we
already
have
you
know
like
a
couple
of
industries
there.
Well,
you
know
the
trap
that
extremely
bad,
because
you
know
we
have
tried
to
come
from
Wetumpka,
but.
B
A
A
E
Name
is
Mitchell
Hayden
and
I'm
representing
mr.
moody,
and
he
owns
two
lots:
I,
don't
know
in
lock
what
would
subdivision
and
he's
willing
to
plant
those
two
lots
into
Warren
for
the
purpose
of
putting
his
house
and
in
the
middle
of
it,
there's
small
lots
and
he
wants
to
incorporate
them
in
to
a
larger
hot
lot,
where
you
have
a
finer
home
big
in.
A
A
B
F
It's
a
building,
that's
being
presented
on
a
industrial
lot
on
the
Ohio
fair
road,
if
I've
just
not
been
presented
before
just
recently
come
under
new
guidelines
within
the
city
jurisdictions.
So
it's
just
the
beginning
of
the
project
that
will
turn
into
a
6260
metal
warehouse
just
for
storage
and
so
forth.
Mr.
Parker,
okay,.
F
A
A
F
A
C
A
E
Afternoon,
david
slocombe
with
clinical
design
group,
this
is
a
fairly
simple
project:
we're
expanding
an
existing
facility
with
additional
warehouse
space.
The
building
we've
had
is
already
in
place
and
was
planned
for
future
expansion
and
we're
going
to
be
building
in
that
and
on
that
existing
building
pad.
E
A
A
E
B
F
A
B
The
next
item
is
presented
by
peel
bring
engineering.
This
is
to
request
an
approval
of
a
revised
master
plan
for
property
located
between
Bond
Road
and
wisdom,
Wood
Road
at
the
north
end
of
Melbourne
Circle
and
the
east
end
of
Melbourne
circle
in
a
PUD
district.
This
is
a
master
plan
which
will
require
your
approval,
Thank.
F
F
The
perimeter
around
the
perimeter
of
the
site
looks
just
like
it
did
before
it's
the
the
little
curvy
line
there
in
the
middle.
We
changed
that
made
that
whole
thing
a
park
instead
of
having
some
odd
shaped
lunch.
These
are
more
rectangular
and
little
easier
to
construct.
So
we're
not
not
really
changing
a
whole
lot
from
what
was
originally
proved.
F
A
D
D
If
you,
if
you
know
deer
creek
development
is
in
front
of
our
homes
going
down
to
six
homes
on
wisdom,
wood,
road-
and
there
is
a
when
we
when
they
built
that
they
put
a
berm,
a
six-foot
fence
and
bushes
along
wisdom,
wood
road-
and
that
has
been
there
for
the
last
20
or
so
years
since
Deer
Creek,
there's
nothing.
We
don't
know
what
the
plans
are.
Maybe
it's
not
this
time
to
address
it,
but
we
would
like
to
have
something
similar
along
those
three
Lots
that
border
wisdom,
wood
road.
D
A
J
I'm
part,
Melina
and
I
live
on
the
end
of
wisdom.
Would
Road
and
my
concerns
is
the
development
that's
going
in
at
the
present
time.
Their
construction
trucks
use
our
road
and
they've
have
torn
it
up
right
now,
there's
gravel
portions
of
it
that
have
been,
and
they
they
use
that
bottom
X
entrance
there
as
a
construction
interest.
What
I
don't
understand?
They
have
all
those
beautiful
roads
in
their
development,
but
they
don't
use
those
roads
at
all,
but
they'll
come
down
our
road
and
tear
it
up
and
away.
They
go
with
all
these
trucks.
H
A
I
K
J
A
Here's
what
we're
gonna
jump
in
here,
if
you
guys
don't
mind
because
of
this,
sir,
if
it's
a
city
street
city,
Road
or
whatever
Bert
I,
think
your
comment
will
probably
be
better
soon.
If
you
talk
to
mr.
Robert
over
here,
because
that's
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
made
aware,
they
need
to
be
made
aware
of
that.
D
A
M
F
F
N
Evening,
my
name
is
Joe
Colvin
I'm,
one
of
the
existing
homeowners
out
there
in
Melrose
my
concern
the
OP
holes.
My
concern
is
there
were
never
any
meetings
via
the
bylaws
and
covenants
and
restrictions,
and
nothing
was
ever
given
to
any
of
the
homeowners
out
there
prior
to
the
development
starting.
We
received
something
in
the
mail
a
roughly
a
month
afterwards.
That
is
completely
different
from
the
bylaws
and
building
codes.
N
A
K
D
A
D
The
current
verb
across
the
street
with
Deer
Creek,
is
I,
believe
a
four
foot
berm
with
a
six-foot
fence
and
then,
as
Ellie
Agnes,
is
what's
planted
along
that
road
and
now
let
me
also
mention
because
he
brought
up
the
homeowners
association.
We
have.
We
have
had
issues,
I
would
say
with
Deer
Creek,
because
those
that
the
bushes
and
the
berm
and
the
fence
became
the
property
owner's
responsibility
other
and
not
the
home,
the
homeowners
association.
D
And
so
therefore,
we
have
had
issues
where
the
homeowners
have
actually
cut
those
bushes
down
and
put
holes
in
the
fences
with
gates.
And
we
continue
to
work
that.
So,
if
it's
possible,
when,
when
you
do
put
something
there,
whatever
we
negotiate
with
that,
it
be
the
responsibility
of
the
homeowners
association.
To
maintain
that
I'd
appreciate
that
I.
F
Don't
I
don't
think
that
we
can
get
the
homeowners
to
do
that
subdivision!
I
live
in
that's
the
way
most
of
the
stuff
around
the
perimeter
is
done
and
I
don't
see
any
problem
with
us,
building
the
berm
and
putting
a
fence
on
it
to
be
comparable
to
what's
behind
it
and
to
let
the
homeowners
associations
be
responsible
for
it.
I
think
the
owner
developer
would
be
more
than
happy.
F
A
His
testimony
is
binding
down
here.
That's
why
we
want
to
all
the
speaker
to
the
microphone.
So,
if
he's
committed
to
it,
then
that's
kind
of
like
yeah.
We
can
he's
got
a
bad
back.
Okay,
all
right!
Joe!
Won't
you
come
back
up
here.
Please,
sir
yep,
you
did
you
hear
mr.
Joe
Hogan's
concern
about
no
meetings
and
according
to
some
ordinance
or
whatever
you
guys
have
out
there,
that
they
work
properly
notified
is
how
did
you
respond
to
that
I.
F
Hate
to
say,
but
I
don't
know
anything
about
the
homeowners
association.
I
know
they
have
one
and
I
know
who's
who
owns
it
or
who's
the
member
of
it.
You
know,
and
as
far
as
I
know,
that
was
all
worked
out
before
they
bought
the
land
from
mr.
level
and
as
far
as
changing
that
you
know,
I,
don't
know
how
it's
just
told
that
we
needed.
We
wanted
to
reach
Ange
the
layout
a
little
to
make
it
a
little
more
efficient,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
anything
about
proper
notice
and
that
sort
of
stuff.
What.
B
A
A
F
A
Joe
here
give:
this
is
the
Planning
Commission
and
we
don't
get
into
the
homeowner
associations
business
to
the
extent
that
you're
bringing
two
to
light
tonight
if
something's
been
violated
within
that
homeowners,
associations,
rules
and
bylaws
and
so
forth,
I'm
sure,
there's
somewhere
else,
and
then
that
tells
you
how
to
deal
with
okay
and
I.
Think
that
may
have
to
be
the
route
to
go
if
that,
in
fact
has
happened,
but
we
don't
get
into
that
appear
app.
You
get.
I
A
F
D
F
Is
a
plan
it'll
be
on
the
final
plant?
It
won't
be
on
the
Clemmie
near
the
Fleming,
there's
more
of
a
schematic
design
showing
where
the
road
is
where
the
lots
are,
are
certain
dimensions.
But
the
final
details
of
that
I
mean
that
there
will
be
sanitary,
sewer,
water
easements,
a
lot
of
things
that
are
on
the
final
plan
that
don't
show,
but
the
construction
drawings
need
to
be
completed
before
that'll
be
shown.
Okay,.
A
F
A
O
O
Approval
for
a
billboard
on
this
site
and
we're
requesting
an
extension.
It's
a
typical
six-month
approval
and
we're
asked
for
extension
because
we've
had
delay
in
getting
the
state
permit
and
I.
Think
I've
submitted
a
letter
from
the
d-o-t
explaining
that
there
was
experienced
extenuating
circumstances
and
they
could
not
issue
just
yet
and
I
think
that's
because
there's
another
permit.
That
is,
that
is
being
appealed
in
that
within
500
feet,
where
this
one
would
go.
A
O
O
A
B
B
A
A
A
B
N
B
A
A
A
C
H
O
City
of
Montgomery
designates
two
different
types
of
billboards,
one
as
a
junior
and
one
is
regular.
Billboard.
The
jr.
is
under
150
square
feet
and
the
spacing
between
that
sign
and
other
signs
is
less.
So
you
can
be
500
feet
from
another
sign.
If
you're
doing
a
junior
it'd
be
1500
feet
if
you're
doing
one
of
the
larger
ones.
So
what.
A
H
A
B
E
A
G
A
J
Kenneth
white
flowers,
all
right,
representing
Philip,
pound
seat,
this
plat
with
the
crucially
approved
building
lines
that
y'all
is
specified
in
the
front
all.
A
K
Guthrie,
my
name
is
Guthrie
Jeffcoat
and
I'm,
actually
Jeff
good
engineers
and
surveyors,
but
I'm
filling
in
for
my
good
friend,
Darrell
Hyde
today,
because
he's
not
feeling
very
well
so
I.
He
asked
me
to
to
try
to
answer
any
questions
you
had
concerning
this
150
foot
square
area,
with
three
Lots
at
the
southwest
corner
of
plumb
and
and
and
as
far
as
the
usage
I
know,
y'all
are
interested
in.
That
is
not
totally
determined
right
now.
There's
negotiations
going
on
the
way
to
sell
this
property
to
fart
for
our
quick
serve
restaurant.
K
A
Question
that
I
have
Guthrie
is
there
are
several
cubes
around
this
property?
Actually,
the
there's
a
chant
on
the
property
to
be
3q
adjacent
to
the
proposed
project
that
you're
presenting
tonight,
one
of
those
cubes
Helen,
there's
one
across
the
street.
What
are
those
two
does
b2q
up
in
the
North
portion
of
the
site
and
then
there's
a
b3q
South
a.
B
L
B
K
A
B
P
A
K
K
K
B
C
B
C
B
A
But
the
intent
that
I
think
that
we
want
to
express
to
you
go
out
three
into
the
public.
Is
the
consistency
that's
been
established
along
that
corridor
and
good
question,
but
in
terms
of
what
all
the
qualifications
and
are
we
go
stay
with
that
consistency?
That's
already
established
or
looks
like
the
Harding's
was,
was
more
restrictive
than
the
other
parcels.
That's
what
essentially
knowing
I'm.
E
C
B
A
C
C
N
A
G
Name
is
Jean
McDonald
I
live
at
2800,
plum
street.
On
the
far
back
corner
from
Popeyes
I
own
that
house,
it's
mine,
I've
lived
there
for
nearly
20
years.
Most
of
the
qualification
things
that
you
all
were
discussing
were
due
to
the
particulars
of
the
former
Neighborhood
Association
that
used
to
exist
in
this
area.
It
no
longer
exists.
We
are
attempting
to
start
another
one.
The
first
meeting
is
not
scheduled
until
November
the
16th.
G
There
are
a
number
of
people,
myself
included,
who
have
gotten
on
this
next
door
thing
on
the
Internet
to
discuss
and
get
this
together
because
the
last
time,
the
only
thing,
the
members
at
that
time
of
the
Planning
Commission
wanted
to
listen
to
was
the
Neighborhood
Association.
We
do
not
have
one
now.
I
think
this
needs
to
be
postponed
until
we
can
get
together,
because
people
are
saying.
Oh,
those
houses
are
so
derelict.
Yes,
most
of
the
neighborhood.
Is
that
way
there
are
probably
15
empty
houses,
maybe
half
of
which
are
boarded
up.
G
There
are
continually
piles
of
trash
on
Plum
Street
that
when
I
and
weeds,
when
I
call
to
the
city
to
complain
to
get
those
fixed,
the
landlord's
that
owned
the
properties
take
weeks
to
get
it
done
and
the
empty
lot
behind
me.
There
was
a
house
owned
by
I
believe
mr.
manleigh.
They
got
burned
down
by
the
tenants
on
the
front
end
using
spray
cans
and
lighters,
and
it
took
three
months
for
them
to
tear
that
down,
because
every
time
I
called
they
said.
G
Oh
yeah,
we
sell
them
a
notice,
but
they
kept
having
the
wrong
address.
Two
minutes
on
Google
we
can
find
out
where
817
Longview
is
I.
Just
would
like
enough
time
to
get
the
neighborhood
association
back
together
warm
subjected
to
listening
for
more
dumpsters,
more
boom-boom
music
rattling,
my
entire
house
after
9
p.m.
the
dumpster
empty.
Let's
see
last
night
at
4:25
a.m.
10
minutes
earlier
than
it
usually
is.
You
can
hear
it
and
almost
feel
it
from
my
property.
G
G
The
neighborhood
has
deteriorated
so
far
from
that
point,
I
call
the
we
buy
ugly
houses
people,
they
wouldn't
even
make
me
an
offer,
because
the
only
thing
that's
sold
in
the
last
year
has
been
dilapidated
houses
like
theirs
it
sold
for
eight
or
ten
thousand
dollars
the
land
values
more
than
that.
I
just
want
a
postponement
until
we
can
get
a
Neighborhood
Association
together
to
discuss
this.
It's
the
only
fair
thing
to
do.
It's
the
only
thing
that
you
all
would
listen
to,
and
City
Council
would
listen
to
before
and
I
agree.
G
A
Welcome
Jeanne
I
want
to
just
say
one
thing
to
you
and
I
do
feel
your
passion.
If
I
understand
correctly,
what
I
just
heard
seems
like
a
lot
of
what
you're
talking
about
has
really
nothing
to
do
with
the
development.
Now
I
could
be
wrong,
but
boom
boom
and
9:30
at
night.
I.
Don't
know
if
that
happens
on
this
side
of.
G
The
city
could
make
a
mint
writing
tickets
for
noise,
because
it's
that
bad
I
had
three
times
I
got
it
from
the
couch
and
a
half
hour
last
night
to
try
and
see
what
kind
of
car
it
was
driving
through
they
cut
back
through
from
Popeyes
over
there.
There
is
concern
with
traffic
and
all
that
these
other.
Ladies,
these
old
ladies,
would
like
to
speak
about
that.
So
I'm
not
steal
their
thunder,
but
it's
just
not
smart
development,
you're,
letting
anybody
they
say.
Well,
we
don't
really
even
know
what
wants
to
go
there.
G
Yet
I've
heard
rumors
from
the
AT&T
move
move
across
the
street
over
there.
Why
on
earth?
Would
they
do
that
if
they
want
to
downsize,
think
there's
two
empty
retail
spaces
in
with
the
Walmart
there's
more
on
down
Zelda
Road,
we
don't
need
more
fast
food.
There's
everything
in
the
world
down
Zelda,
Road
I
can
walk
there.
If
there
were
sidewalks,
that's
the
other
thing
they
keep
talking
about.
Oh,
we
need
to
maintain
sidewalks.
There
are
no
sidewalks
on
that
end
of
Plum
Street.
G
E
G
K
I'm
not
in
detail
because
the
development
plans
being
worked
out
now,
but
they
are
using
some
modern-day
items
such
as
right
in
right
out
and
no
left
turns
off
of
an
Street
right
red
lights
at
the
right
places,
so
those
are
being
brought
about
with
working
with
the
traffic
engineers
on
each
one
of
these
projects.
But
I
can't
give
you
details
because
I
don't
have
a
development
plan
front
alley.
K
H
Helen
I
thought
that
we
had
there
not
many
folks
on
this
commission
that
we're
here
when
the
last
time
came
up
when
the
Hardee's
and
the
and
the
Popeyes
and
so
forth
came,
but
we
seemed
I
thought
at
that
time.
We
passed
some
pretty
strict
noise
ordinances
about
that
did
not.
We
did
not
that
come
up
at
that
time,
not.
H
E
B
G
Q
Helen
Harris
I'm
live
in
Capitol,
Heights
adjacent
to
Holland,
Park
and
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
increasing
commercial
development
on
the
edge
of
Holland
Park
I,
believe
it's
had
a
detrimental
effect
on
the
homes,
especially
to
the
west
or
behind
those
businesses,
and
I
would
hope
that
any
additional
buildings
that
are
commercial
would
have
to
address
the
problems
of
overall
neighborhood
aesthetics.
Obviously,
commercial
development.
Q
The
problems
include
the
noise
with
businesses.
You
have
more
noise
in
the
parking
lots
directly
behind
homes
where
families
live
the
dumpsters,
as
she
stated
before,
there's
really
no
way
to
quieten
that
with
just
a
wooden
fence
or
a
chain-link
fence
that
has
the
green
plastic
in
it.
You
need
some
kind
of
sound
barrier
behind
those
buildings,
any
homes
that
may
be
impacted.
Q
You
have
constant
traffic
until
the
business
closes
and
there's
not
enough
traffic
control.
You
have
children
and
teenagers
who
are
on
those
streets
without
sidewalks.
You
have
impatient
customers
at
these
buildings
who
are
entering
and
exiting
as
though
it's
a
commercial
area
without
thought
to
the
fact
that
they're
also
families
walking
between
Walmart
and
crossing
and
Street
and
walk
into
their
homes
within
Holland
Park,
as
she
mentioned
before,
there's
not
traffic
control.
Q
I,
don't
know
what
can
be
done
about
the
smells,
but
I
think
if
you
all
just
paused
for
a
minute
and
imagined
that
there
was
a
restaurant
with
strong,
cooking
oil
right
behind
your
home
and
there's
only
a
little
wooden
fence.
You
know
how
would
you
feel
every
time
you
go
out
your
back
door
when
you're
having
to
smell
these?
These
smells.
Q
You
know
a
lot
of
us
have
fortunate
enough
to
live
in
neighborhoods,
where
that's
not
going
to
happen,
but
the
people
in
Holland
Park
deserve
the
same
consideration
that
we
want
for
our
own
homes
again,
the
neighborhood
aesthetics.
How
would
you
feel
is
every
time
you
walked
in
your
backyard.
You
see
the
dumpster
and
the
the
at
night,
the
constant
traffic
lights
of
the
people
circling
around
in
those
businesses,
the
lighting,
you
know,
you've
got
the
street
lights,
but
the
parking
lots
of
these
businesses
have
stronger
brighter
lights.
Q
So
it's
adding
to
the
decimation
of
one
of
our
oldest
neighborhoods,
so
I,
don't
know
what
can
be
done
about
that,
but
I
think
all
of
that
should
be
considered
before
permissions
given
and
and
resolutions
should
be
found
to
prevent
those
problems
before
rest
before
permissions
given
to
go
from
single-family
residence,
it's
not
even
mixed
to
residential
when
it's
going
to
so
harm
all
of
those
homes
so
close
to
these
businesses.
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
Just
have
one
quick
thing:
I'm,
not
just
representing
myself.
Mr.
Wray
on
across
the
street
said
he's
not
interested
in
having
more
stuff
there.
That's
going
to
be
food
wise.
If
it
was
a
quiet
business,
a
business,
he
would
not
object
so
much.
Also
tom
and
kat
rodman
who
live
farther
down
the
street,
we're
not
able
to
make
it
tonight.
She
teaches
and
he's
working
at
the
theater
late.
By
the
way,
you
should
probably
consult
him
on
some
of
the
audio.
G
He
can
probably
hook
you
up
with
somebody,
because
I
could
not
hear
what
most
of
you
were
saying
when
I
was
sitting
in
the
audience.
The
microphone
here
picks
up
and
I
could
hear
this
person
talking,
but
I
could
hardly
hear
any
of
you
talking
and
any
other
people.
I've
just
talked
to
walking
down
the
street
say
they
they
weren't
able
to
make
it,
but
they
would
appreciate
knowing
that
I
spoke
for
them.
Thank.
A
K
A
I
I
L
I
I
think
it's
a
commercial
area,
that's
been,
that's
that's
clear
and
I
think
it
should
be
developed
as
a
commercial
area.
I,
don't
think
you
should
be
developing
as
it
good.
You
know
it.
The
sacrifice
of
the
immediately
adjacent
property
owners
I
think
there.
It
really
should
complement
the
immediately
adjacent
property
owners
and
I.
Don't
think
that
should
all
go
on
one
developers,
cost
I,
don't
think
it
should
add
to
the
cost
of
the
developer.
I
think
it
should
be
something
that
the
city's
anytime
you
develop.
I
A
B
K
A
A
At
this
point,
I
will
say
first
of
all,
knowing
where
we
probably
going
to
end
up
on
this.
You
may
want
to
take
this
thing
off
the
table,
postpone
it
and
maybe
see
if
there's
something
that
you
can
work
out
with
the
the
neighborhood
and
all
the
factors
that
came
out
of
the
previous
discussion.
I'm
just
I've.
A
Just
a
second
I
mean
it's
up
to
you
guys
but
I'm,
just
simply
saying,
and
if
you
want
your
a
person
to
come
up,
have
them
come
on,
but
it's
up
to
you
guys
to
to
strategically
negotiate
through
this
environment
right
now
and
we're
just
putting
out
on
the
table
as
a
consideration,
but
naturally
we'll
be
happy
to
continue
on
with
the
process.
Did
you
want
to
speak,
sir?
Yes,.
R
E
R
Okay,
I'm
here
for
Michael
Delaney
the
owners
well
perspective
owner.
The
proposal
is
a
little
different
than
the
other
proposal
in
that
he
has
hired
a
plan
coordinator,
who
has
considered
the
things
that
were
discussed
about
the
buffer
and
the
fifth
lot
was
actually
designed
not
to
be
a
part
of
the
development,
but
to
be
a
place
where
a
buffer
zone
could
go
as
well
as
the
walkability
of
the
neighborhood
those
kind
of
things.
So
he
has
considered
that
I.
I
Paul-
let's
talk
about
this
because
the
other
development
did
not
have
a
buffer
and
it
looked
like
it
was
literally
up
against
somebody's
house.
You
know,
I
can't
imagine
the
lights
and
everything
else
so
so
talk
about
your
buffer
and
adding
the
extra
lot
and
how
you
plan
on
making
that
part
of
your
development
that
may
satisfy
the
neighborhood
and
your
use.
If
you
have
a
use,
so
it's
not
nebulous
what
the
use
is
going
to
be
well.
R
I
will
say
this:
we
discussed
this
with
the
developer
and
we
discussed
it
in
light
of
the
fact
that
he
did
not
technically
need
this
additional
50
by
150
area.
He
was
willing
to
make
an
offer
on
it
and
proceed
forward
anyway
for
a
buffer
area
and
is
interested
in
doing
what
it
takes
to
make
the
project
work
and
I
mean
we've
discussed
the
Q
designation
and
the
restrictions
that
go
along
with
that
and
the
developer
is
a
he's.
R
An
accredited
land
consultant
in
Assisi,
I
am
and
and
he's
a
you
know,
I
think
he
puts
together
well-thought-out
projects
and
works
with
credit
tenants
and
not
with
just
every
mom-and-pop
along
the
street.
So
anyway,
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
that
as
a
part
of
this.
So
what's
your
fletcher
paul
proceed?
I
if
you
would
very.
C
C
It
sounds
to
me
like
that's.
What
has
has
happened
is
that
we've
covered
this
as
as
best
we
can
with
with
with
zoning.
The
problem,
it
seems
to
me,
is
the
actual
application
after
the
zoning,
but
it's
like
the
lady
was
talking
about
the
the
lighting
well,
she
said
this.
It's
right,
it's
right
over
on
her
property
and
it's
being
shown
yet
we
had
in
there
the
requirements
that
that
not
happen.
So
it
seems
to
me
like
there's
an
application
problem
more
than
there
is
the.
C
G
Exactly
and
it's
not
even
necessarily
the
business
itself,
that's
violating
it,
they
probably
have
to
have
them
turn
it
down
a
little
bit
just
to
hear
what
they're
ordering,
but
on
this
particular
one.
Mr.
Ryan
is
here,
he's
somewhat
disabled
and
isn't
able
to
get
out.
His
house
adjoins
that
property
and
I
have
spoken
with
him
on
several
occasions.
He
doesn't
feel
50-foot
really
that
much
of
a
buffer
zone.
He
said
he
wouldn't
mind
an
office,
he
thing
or
a
cell
phone
store.
G
Let's
call
it
what
it
is
because
they're
not
serving
food,
the
dumpsters
not
going
to
get
emptied
as
often,
but
he
and
I
both
are
opposed
to
having
any
more
food
outlets
there.
For
that
very
reason,
I
don't
know
how
you
get
them
to
not
empty
the
dumpster
at
4:30
in
the
morning,
but
there's
nothing
that
can
block
that
out.
I,
don't
care
how
many
trees
and
bushes
you
plant
there
or
how
thick
of
a
concrete
wall
90
foot
high
I'm
going
to
hear
that
dumpster
being
emptied
at
4
o'clock.
G
E
Q
I
have
a
comment
about
zoning
versus
enforcement.
Once
you
have
commercial
in
there
and
you've
changed
from
residential
to
commercial.
Well,
when
you
have
residential,
you
have
enforcement
problems,
and
when
you
have
commercial,
you
have
enforcement
problems,
but
when
you
have
lack
of
enforcement,
the
problems
multiply
exponentially
with
commercial
and
especially
if
commercial
is
adjacent
to
residential,
because
the
enforcement
is
the
lighting.
The
enforcement
is
the
dumpster
and
the
noises
within
a
residential
area.
The
enforcement
is
the
traffic.
The
enforcement
is
the
people
who
are
driving
cars
with
very
loud
music.
Q
All
of
that
is
increased
tremendously
with
commercial
if
it's
a
if
it's
a
food
outlet
or
if
it's
a
car
supply
store
or
if
it's
anything
where
you
have
numerous
customers
coming
in.
Until
you
know,
9
o'clock
at
night,
you've
still
got
you've,
got
children
walking
without
sidewalks
or
walking
across
an
street
and
trying
to
safely
get
home.
You've
still
got
families
putting
their
babies
to
bed
behind
them
and
9
o'clock
is,
you
know,
kind
of
the
noise
time,
but
the
babies
go
to
bed
before
that.
Q
A
J
Sir
I'm
Edie
Fleming
I'm
a
realtor,
that's
handling
the
project.
The
developer
out
of
Mobile
has
been
very
gracious
to
of
the
five
Lots
or
actually
dilapidated
old
houses.
I've
had
to
personally
go
and
board
them
up
to
keep
folks
vagrants
coming
in
and
out.
We've
had
a
lot
of
problems
with
that
over
there.
The
other
three
are
low,
rent
rental
places,
but
I've
talked
to
mr.
ray
on
who's.
J
The
sixth
house
back
I
sold
that
house
to
him
two
years
ago,
nice,
brick
home
retired,
Army
Major,
and
he
said
as
long
as
we
had
a
wood
fence
around
and
a
buffer
zone.
He
would
be
happy
with
that
just
to
keep
the
vagrants
from
coming
in
and
out
and
bar
an
electricity
bar
and
water
from
him,
and
all
that
kind
of
thing,
so
I
think
the
development
would
help
with
those
items
on
that
part
of
the
street
I
do.
Thank
you,
sir.
Any.
J
Specifically,
he
doesn't
really
want
to
share
that
with
us.
I
know
that
he's
talked
about
not
AT&T,
but
somebody
similar
to
that
and
then
either
just
he
does
a
lot
of
just
regular
strip
centers
that
have
a
lot
of
little
1,500
square
foot
shops
in
there.
He
really
hadn't
got
down
to
that,
but
he's
committed
to
doing
whatever
is.
J
I
J
Sir
well
I
couldn't
tell
you
for
his
part
whether
they
would
because
he
might
have
somebody
a
real
nice
somebody
that
we
don't
even
have
in
Montgomery,
that
might
be
coming
to
town
and
want
to
open
in
four
or
five
and
that's
what
happened
to
us
last
time.
I
had
four
or
five
of
these
set
up
around
town
with
a
company
that
wasn't
here
and
then
we
couldn't
get
this
to
go
so
it
could
be
some
other.
J
The
company
some
other
restaurant
chain
coming
in
but
it'll
make
it
a
whole
lot
nicer
than
what
it
is
now
I
guarantee
you,
and
so
we
had
even
thought
at
one
time
about
asking
the
city
to
do
a
cul-de-sac
at
the
end
of
the
road
and
kind
of
block
it
off.
But
I
know
that's
not
gonna
work,
but
I
think
this
would
work
good.
The
way
we
have
it
laid
out.
If
y'all
don't
mind,
you.
I
J
J
The
neighborhood
association
I've
talked
to
Miss
Jean
several
times,
because
I
had
both
sides
of
the
road
listed
at
one
time
and
tried
to
do
the
development,
so
I
know
her
concerns
and
her
thing
is
if
they
would
have
come
in
and
you
could
have
if
they
did
come
in
and
developed
hers
all
the
way
back
to
her
lot.
She'd
probably
be
happy
with
the
situation
that
they
bought
her
house
out.
So
that's
kind
of
the
situation
we
in
they
didn't
go
quite
as
far
back
as
we
did
so
that
that's
the
thing.
J
H
Enforcement
with
the
city
and
I
would
probably
vote
for
this
one.
If
there
were
no
fast-food
restaurant
there,
it's
just
gonna
be
difficult
to
do
for
me
to
vote
yes
after
we've
had
this
experience
already
right
there
on
an
Street
and
no
and
no
guarantee
there's
not
going
to
be
a
fast-food
restaurant
in
this
one,
and
that's
that's
my
problem.
I
mean
I'll,
be
honest
with
you.
Ride
down
the
end
street
and
I
do
a
good
bit.
H
That's
the
problem
right
there
and
it
is,
and
it's
a
neighborhood
problem.
That's
that's
not
going
away
and-
and
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
didn't
have
that
many
fast-food
restaurants
right
there-
that
disturbed
the
neighborhood.
Yes,
it
we
tried
to
do
it
last
time.
We
try
to
vote
appropriately
last
time
and
I
can't
remember
how
I
voted
last
time,
but
it's
a
it's
a
real
problem.
You
put
that
many
right
there.
This
is
not.
This
is
a
neighborhood.
H
J
Sir,
but
thank
you
Frank,
you
have
other
restaurants
already
there.
Whatever
comes.
There
is
going
to
be
better
than
what
we
have
now
I.
Think
and
I
would
certainly
pass
it
on
to
him
about
not
having
the
restaurant
if
he
could
work
with
it,
but
I
can't
tell
you
that
he
would,
or
he
wouldn't
know
so.
A
A
A
B
K
L
E
A
A
L
A
L
L
Basically,
it
is
a
comprehensive
plan
for
that
particular
district.
That
looks
basically
to
improve
that
particular
area.
Over
the
course
of
about
twenty
years,
we
have
had
engagement
with
everybody
from
residents,
neighborhood
associations,
businesses
and
many
others
throughout
the
process
from
when
the
city
actually
started.
L
The
the
update
process
for
this
particular
planning
process,
as
well
as
the
engagement
of
a
consultant
to
assist
us
in
completing
that
process,
and
this
was
at
the
request
of
you,
know
a
couple
of
residents
in
the
in
that
particular
district,
so
I'm
gonna,
step
to
the
side
and
I'm
going
to
introduce
our
paid
consultant
with
KPS
group.
Mr.
Jason
Fondren
who's
going
to
go
through
the
plan
process.
L
I
will
say
this
that
we
have
been
answering
comments
from
one
individual,
all
pretty
much
most
of
the
day
yesterday,
and
also
responses
to
that
individual
today
today
today,
and
they
were
questions
and
clarifications
that
we've
gotten
and
that
the
last
set
of
comments
that
I
got
from
him
basically
were
about.
You
know
some
some
grammatical
errors
and
things
of
that
nature,
which
we
will
actually
clean
up
as
a
part
of
the
actual
final
document
itself.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Jason
Robert.
L
L
C
Sure
you
know
we
do
these
and
I
think
they're,
wonderful,
they're,
great
most
unwind
up
on
the
Shelf.
Okay
and
you
know,
I
think
people
that
that
will
come
in
here,
not
so
much
Nike.
We
don't
have
that
many
people
I
mean
there
are
some
people
that
really
sincerely
went
to
the
charettes
and
had
input
and
I'm.
L
And
we
all
have
kids
and
there
are
other
generations
that
will
that
will
basically
benefit
from
it
and
I
mean
I
will
say
this.
We
have
many
plans,
we're
constantly
working
all
those
plans,
whether
it's
the
downtown
plan
I
mean
many
of
you
probably
remember
when
that
one
was
adopted
and
and
and
it
this
has
been
probably
10
years
ago,
and
look
at
the
change
that
has
occurred.
You
know
here
in
downtown
and
many
other
places,
and
so
it
does
take
time
to
work.
L
The
plans
implement
the
plans
and
and
modify
and
and
and
and
they
are
they
are
living-
you
know
documents
they
can
and
will
be
modified
from
time
to
time.
If
a
change
needs
to
to
occur,
so
I
absolutely
hear
you
there
and
but
I.
Don't
hundred
percent
agree
with
you
on
that,
but
you
know
we
do
work
work
very
hard
to
try
to
get
these
plans
actually
implement
it.
L
You
know
based
on
what
we
say
that
we
want
to
try
to
do
to
improve
those
districts,
even
though
money
may
not
necessarily
you
know
be
available,
but
you
know
we
have
a
saying.
The
mayor
has
a
saying
that
we
don't
let
money
get
in
the
way
of
the
vision,
but
it
may
get
in
the
way
of
the
timing,
but
we
don't
let
it
get
in
the
way
of
the
vision.
So
we
have
to
set
the
vision,
set
an
expectation
and
and
and
and
hope
and
and
and
keep
people
to
those
high
expectations.
L
E
B
I
E
I
L
M
M
So
knowing
Robert
I
got
in
touch
with
him
and
talked
about
it
and
he
agreed
to
open
up
the
process
again
so
that
we
could
have
a
few
additional
meetings.
It
I
think
that
you
started
the
process
around
two
thousand
thirteen
or
fourteen,
so
we
reopened
the
planning
process
that
the
staff
had
begun
back
in
2013
and
looked
through
the
the
the
plan
that
the
staff
had
put
together
went
through
a
number
of
meetings
with
the
community
to
talk
about
their
vision
to
understand.
M
One
element
that
was
not
previously
addressed
in
the
the
South
Montgomery
plan
was
a
future
Land
Use
Plan,
which
would
help
in
cases
such
as
you
heard
tonight,
with
respect
to
to
Ann
Street
and
whether
or
not
a
particular
piece
of
property
should
go
from
residential
to
commercial
that
that
type
of
policy
had
not
been
considered
in
the
previous
process.
In
this
process
we
did
go
through
and
establish
a
future
land-use
plan
to
use
as
a
guide
for
the
city
and
making
decisions
in
in
the
instance
of
requests
for
rezoning.
M
A
A
A
A
A
You
can't
at
least
I'm
speaking
for
Kippy
tape,
I'm
speaking
for
Frank
cook
and
Patrick
mauls,
a
land-use
plan
that
you're
proposing
in
this
thing.
You
can't
explain
that
to
me
tonight.
We
don't
have
enough
time
I'm,
just
telling
it
I,
don't
like
how
this
is
being
proposed,
because
you
really
have
an
embedded
component
of
another
issue.
That's
I'll
say
this
guys.
If
you.
A
L
A
L
A
A
More
time
we
table
this
until
we
get
some
idea
and
and
the
necessary
information
to
make
a
land
use
decision
embodied
in
this
document.
I,
my
outside
of
where
you
guys
are
thinking,
please
speak
up,
but
I
certainly
don't
think
that
that
the
gravity
of
what's
invited
in
here
is
something
that
this
nice
gentleman
from
Birmingham
can
explain
to
us
tonight.
Sure.
L
H
L
A
If
I
bought
a
Ford
in
the
past,
maybe
I
didn't
understand
what
I
was
voting
on,
because
I
certainly
didn't
know
that
I
had
a
land-use
plan
embodied
in
the
neighborhood
community
draft
that
had
these
kind
of
components
are
embodied
in
them.
I
didn't
understand
that,
and
maybe
it's
my
fault
but
now
I'm
in
a
different
place.
Sure.
C
C
Earlier
because
we
had
some
situations
out
there
that,
because
of
this
that
document,
we
we
disallowed
some
things.
That
literally,
should
have
been,
in
my
opinion,
allowed
and
for
good
reasons,
and
it
was
two
and
a
half
years
later,
where
we
finally
came
to
our
senses
and
started
making
the
changes,
but
that
that
document
prevented
O'reilly,
sure.
C
After
effect
and
Jerome
I
like
what
you
said
and
maybe
Robert
you
know,
it
really
would
be
I
and
I
and
I
know
from
your
from
your
standpoint,
you're
saying:
well,
I,
don't
you
know
these
guys
are
volunteers
and
we're
we're
we're
not
trying
to
use
their
time
up
and
we're
trying
to
get
it
at
some
point.
You
know,
but
I
would
have
enjoyed
a
little
understanding
and
maybe
that's
what
we're
doing
now.
That.
L
I
I
M
I
A
Well,
I
agree
with
you
drone
and
I
just
found,
what's
called
the
future
land
use,
and
this
is
what
I
found
in
my
packet
and
I
don't
understand
this
at
all.
Is
this
what
you're,
trying
to
tell
me
that's
going
to
govern
the
land?
Use,
that's
embodied
in
this
that
we
vote
on.
You
don't
find
the
land-use
planning
it
I
mean.
E
A
I
I
I
E
A
A
P
A
P
Want
to
get
understanding
about
the
plan
because
like
when
they
just
had
I
just
want
to
be
in
our
neighborhood
that
we
just
had
come
aground
coming
our
neighborhood.
We
wasn't
notice
about
it
until
the
day
it
happened
and
I
don't
want
to
nothing
just
coming
out
resident
and
I.
Don't
know
anything
about
it.
You
know
I'm
saying
yes,
that's!
My
concern.
I
was
against
that
coming
around
coming
in
my
neighborhood
I
didn't
it
was
a
pool.
It
was
commercially
zoned
in
our
neighborhood
and
I
opposed
it,
because
I
wasn't
so.
A
A
P
A
What
I'm
saying
to
you,
what
you
don't
understand
about
it
now,
there's
going
to
be
another
meeting,
that's
going
to
expound
upon
what
this
plan
is
involved
with.
Okay
and
it's
gonna,
be
a
public
hearing,
so
I
mean
a
public
meeting
and
city's
got
to
advertise
it
and
so
forth.
So
I
guess
what
you
got
to
do
is
to
kind
of
keep
your
ears
and
eyes
open
for
that
notice.
The.
M
P
A
B
A
A
P
A
Listen
to
the
real
quick
if
you'll
give
your
name
and
number
to
one
of
the
ladies
over
here
they'll
make
sure
you
absolutely
know
about
the
meeting
that
we've
just
been
talking
about:
okay,
okay,
so
there
shouldn't
be
any
problem
in
terms
of
communication,
so
so
now
Robert
we
move
to
the
next
item.
Number
19,
we're.