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A
Request
will
be
asked
to
come
forward
to
the
microphone
and
express
their
opinion.
Each
side
will
have
ten
minutes
to
speak.
Development
plans
require
a
public
hearing.
However,
no
action
will
be
taken
by
the
Planning
Commission
members.
Platts
rezoning,
revised
master
plans,
Street
renaming
and
text
amendments
require
a
public
hearing,
and
once
the
public
hearing
is
completed,
Planning
Commission
members
will
deliberate
and
render
their
decision
Planning
Commission
members
with
a
personal
or
financial
interest
and
any
petitioners
request
are
required
to
recuse
themselves.
The
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
are
mr.
A
Frank
cook,
our
Chairman
and
Clemens
Joyce
Julie
vice
chairman
Buddy
Harvick,
Cruz,
Ruiz,
Reginald,
Hawkins,
regiment,
tooth
Reggie,
Dunn,
James,
Reid
and
Kippy
Tate.
Last,
but
certainly
not
least,
the
members
of
the
planning
control
staff
are
James
center
and
Tanya
Ingram
members
and
petitioners
are
requested
to
please
speak
directly
into
the
microphone.
The
minutes
are
recorded
for
legal
purposes,
and
this
is
the
only
way
to
accurately
pick
up
the
audio
tonight.
We
have
nine
members
present.
It
takes
five
votes
to
pass
a
motion
and
because
of
the
number
of
boards
present,
which
is
ideal.
E
E
F
C
E
C
B
H
C
I
H
C
B
Third
item
is
presented
by
pilgrim
engineering
representing
the
most
Reverend
Thomas
L
Rhodey
arts
dishes
with
mobile.
This
is
a
request
for
final
approval,
st.
Jude
plat
number
one
located
on
the
northeast
corner
of
West
Fairview
in
Hill
Street
and
an
m1
like
industrial
zoning
district.
This
is
a
plat
M
will
require
a
vote,
I'm
pet
pilgrim
with
pilgrim
engineering.
This
is
a
plat
of
the
school.
That's
out
there.
I
C
B
H
C
A
B
The
fifth
item
is
presented
by
moon,
Consulting,
LLC,
representing
home,
to
Suites
and
resident
in
hotels.
This
is
a
public
hearing
for
development,
clamp
for
two
new
buildings
to
be
located
on
the
north
side
of
the
phase
Parkway
approximately
300
feet,
west
of
mini
Brown
Road
in
a
b2
commercial
zoning
district.
This
is
a
development
plan
and
will
not
require
a
vote.
J
All
right
good
evening,
my
name
is
David.
Moon
I
made
the
application
on
behalf
of
Ram
hotels
out
of
Columbus
Georgia
Ram
owns
25
hotels,
including
five
hotels
here
in
Montgomery
their
proposed
to
build
two
new
hotels
on
the
5.3
acre
parcel
located
east
chase
parkway
minivan
Road,
the
hotels
would
be
a
residence
in
and
at
home,
two
Suites
96
room
in
97
room
respectively.
J
The
project
required
a
variance
for
height
and
storing
and
a
site
guard
buffer,
which
we
sought
last
Zoning
Board
Adjustment
hearing
and
was
approved.
We
met
with
the
wind'
Lakes
HOA
and
the
Coventry
HOA,
which
is
directly
adjacent
to
the
property
in
May
to
present
the
project
and
go
over
with
them
and
dress
their
concerns,
and
we
have
support
from
both
HOAs
for
the
project.
We
had
the
president
of
the
Coventry
HOA
here
with
a
tonight.
If
you'd
like
to
hear
from
that's
a
short
presentation.
If
you
have
any
questions,
I'll
try
to
answer
them.
J
Course,
the
landscaping,
a
buffer
between
their
residential
property
and
hotel
was
major
concern.
There's
an
existing
vegetative
buffer
that
we're
going
to
maintain
a
60
foot
natural
buffer
between
their
property
line
and
our
improvement,
so
be
heavily
vegetated,
be
a
lot
of
existing
vegetation
left
some
large
trees
there
and
then
what
we
do
disturb
we're
going
to
come
back
and
replant.
J
That
was
one
of
their
major
concerns.
Traffic
was
a
concern.
This
is
a
light
youth
traffic
type
of
facility
as
compared
to
some
that
are
allowed.
This
district
and
I
think
that
they
realized
that
garbage
pickup
was
brought
up
as
an
issue
we've
agreed,
which
is
normal
hotel
practice
to
have
the
dumpsters
removed
during
the
day.
Typically,
in
the
morning,
it
won't
be
done.
At
night
lighting
was
discussed,
we'll
have
low
light
levels
that
all
the
lighting
will
be
ejected
away
from
the
residential
property
and
adjacent
properties
and
on
to
the
hotel
property.
J
I
J
Are
elevations
is
so
the
relationship
of
the
proposed
hotels
to
the
residential
property
behind
them?
As
you
can
see,
the
hotels
hit
some
seventeen
feet
lower
in
elevation
than
a
lien
in
the
houses
behind
them.
The
trees
that
are
depicted
here
are
their
large
existing
trees,
as
well
as
some
new
trees
that
will
plant
along
that
buffer.
I
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman,
this
is
a
good
example,
in
my
opinion
of
why
is
there
any
way
that
we
can
ask
that
elevations
accompany
the
development
plan,
because
this
is
a
great
example
of
clearing
up
a
lot
of
questions.
Just
looking
at
the
plan
and
plan,
you
sometimes
doesn't
give
you
the
true
picture.
Maybe
this
is
an
administrative
question
with
every
question
for
the
pose
to
the
staff,
I
would
like
to
have
elevations
included
with
the
development
plan,
so
we.
B
B
And
a
lot
of
times,
if
they're,
if
they're
rolling
the
dice
to
try
to
get
something
approved
or
whatever
you
know
most
of
time,
that
would
have
been
addressed
at
the
board,
which
is
where
it
was
addressed.
It
was
a
you
know,
and
they
questioned
the
line
of
sights
and
stuff
like
that.
So,
but
we
can,
we
can
definitely
ask
mr.
Tate
I.
Would.
I
F
A
J
C
Yes,
sir,
if
you'll
tell
Mike
power
to
the
mic
for
the
mine.
H
H
H
H
Their
elevates,
the
elevation
of
what
the
projects
going
to
be
is
actually
lower
than
the
elevation
of
our
property,
the
the
as
long
as
that
buffer
remains
on
the.
Unless
on
the
west
southwest
side,
I,
don't
believe
that
residents
that
are
immediately
to
the
property
line
will
be
able
to
see
the
hotel
and
neither
are
any
residents
that
live
in
the
inner
parts
and
the
internet
houses
in
the
neighborhood
fact
is.
H
If,
if
you
go
further
on
east
chase,
where
the
the
sporting-goods
store
is,
we
can
see
that
store
when
I
moved
there
in
2010,
we
couldn't
hear
the
interstate
that
then
a
stove
was
not
there,
I
believe
in
and
and
they
build
that
store
and
they
cleared
trees
and
there
there
remains
a
buffer
there,
but
it's
bad.
There
are
no
trees
and
we
can
hear
the
interstate
all
day
long
and
see
the
and
see
the
structures
on
the
other.
I
can
see
the
interstate
from
my
house
now.
I,
don't
think
that's
gonna
be
the
case.
H
H
C
J
B
Sixth,
item
on
the
agenda
is
by
Arrington
engineering
representing
Ram
Montgomery
hospitality,
request
final
approval,
East
Chase
Hotel
Platte
number,
one
located
on
the
south
side
of
each
chase,
parkway
apart
from
300
feet,
west
and
Minnie
Brown
Road
in
a
fee
to
commercial
zoning
district.
This
is
a
plant
and
will
require
a
vote.
C
J
A
G
G
The
building
to
be
here
will
have
parking
in
the
front
that'll
parallel
vaughn
road,
and
then
our
access
will
actually
be
on
bond
road
to
you
may
have
a
site
plan.
That's
in
your
packet
that
shows
the
access
over
to
the
private
drive
it's
on
the
church's
property.
After
we
submitted
that
plan,
the
developer
met
with
the
church
and
was
not
able
to
work
out
a
access
over
to
the
church,
so
I
work
with
the
the
traffic
department.
G
G
Is
that
a
right
in
right
out
on
Vaughan
Road,
it's
a
full
directional.
Has
there
been
a
traffic
study
or
anything
done?
No,
sir,
you
know
that
the
school
parking
lot
for
the
students
is
right.
Next
to
that,
so
I
would
think
that
traffic
would
be
a
nightmare
when
school's
getting
in
and
getting
out
trying
to,
especially
if
it's
not
right
in
right
out
office.
Things
like
that
special
medical
officer,
you
got
different
Peaks,
you
know
school
peaks
in
the
morning
7:30
8
o'clock
afternoon.
G
G
Not
sure
if
the
developer
has
or
not
it
was
owned
office.
So
far
as
you
know,
it
fit
to
use
so
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
had
any
conversations
with
an
academy
or
not
doctor
to
my
knowledge
that
would
be
no,
they
haven't
I
think
there
will
be
some
concern
for
me
Academy
because
of
the
added
traffic
with
their
students
parking
right
next
door,
I.
I
Agree
with
you
wholeheartedly,
I,
don't
know
if
you've
ever
been
along
that
portion
of
a
Vaughan
road
when
it's
congested,
my
friend
is
congested
and
the
poor
souls
will
be
trying
to
enter
the
barn
Road
from
that
parking
lot
to
make
a
left-hand
turn.
They
can
forget
it
and
the
poor
soul
is
trying
to
enter
in,
take
them,
making
a
right-hand
turn
across
the
lanes
to
get
in.
I
There
can
forget
it,
not
just
during
the
time
that
you
just
mentioned,
but
I'm
very
familiar
with
that
area
and
would
encourage
you
to,
since
this
is
development
plan,
to
go
back
and
try
to
deal
with
that
access,
because
it's
going
to
be
a
problem.
I
can
almost
assure
you
of
that,
but
the
other
question
that
I
have
is
so
the
drawing
that's
in
the
packet
is
not
necessarily
drawn
that
we're
considering
tonight.
The
drawing
that
was
handed
out
after
we
got
here
is
the
drawing
that
we're
considering
right.
Yes,.
G
G
G
E
Biggest
concern
is
gonna,
be
the
traffic
problem
there,
and
that
is
a
major
problem
even
now
with
the
church
traffic
on
Sunday
and
that
in
the
turn
lane
there
that
going
from
Vaughn
to
Zeile
the
road,
that's
an
immediate
turn
less
than
a
quarter
of
them.
It
is
er
it's
away
from
this
entrance
point,
so
you
got
two
entrance
and
exit
points
within
50
feet
of
each
other.
Almost
and
that's
gonna
be
a
difficult
traffic
problem.
There.
K
Murray
30:33
Vaughn
road,
okay,
so
so
we
we
did
talk
to
the
principal
tonight
and
they
do
have
some
concerns
about
a
driveway
being
that
close
to
their
parking
lot,
where
their
key
is
part.
So
we're
here
tonight,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
still
wasn't
presenting
the
old
plans.
But
not
only
do
we
have
some
concerns,
but
Montgomery
Academy
had
some
concerns,
as
well,
even
with
the
new
plan
that
they
have.
C
When
you,
when
this
development
plan
was
presented,
there's
no
way
that
you
can
have
one
entrance,
that
would
be
the
entrance
to
the
parking
lot
and
a
little
side
road
or
something
that
gets
over
to
this
building.
I
just
take
these
two
entrances
right
here
they
did.
Did
they
look
at
that?
There
is
establish.
B
Well,
mr.
Sammon,
the
the
traffic
engineering
department
reviewed
it
and
approved
the
alternate
drive.
My
suggestion
would
be
for
the
petitioner
to
get
with
the
gentlemen
that
have
the
concerns
and
reach
out
back
to
the
engineer
traffic
engineering
department,
because
ultimately
they're
going
to
be
the
ones
that
solve
this.
C
B
K
C
E
D
D
I
I
It's
just
in
a
bad
location
and
I'm
here
to
tell
you
my
friend
and
I:
don't
we
don't
vote
on
this,
so
it
means
nothing,
but
I
can
assure
you
that
there's
gonna
be
issues
at
this
intersection
and
I'm,
not
hoping
or
wishing
for
that.
That's
not
what
I'm
saying
I'm
saying
that
or
just
ask
the
folks
on
the
church
explain
this.
This
is
just
a
very
congested
area
and
the
right
end
right
out
might
be
the
only
way
but
from
an
engineering.
Your
engineer
right,
that's.
I
G
J
I
J
I
K
D
C
C
B
Chairman
once
once,
I
relay
or
staff
relays
to
the
traffic
engineer
and
the
traffic
engineering
department
they're
going
to
look
at
this
with
a
finer
tooth,
okay,
and
that
is
where
that's,
where
the
buck
stops.
Okay,
it'll
be
mr.
Wilson
Purvi
to
to
line
everything
up.
The
anybody
concerned
from
the
principal
to
the
Deacons
and
the
pastor,
or
whatever
will
have
their
time
to
talk
to
traffic
engineering,
because
they're
not
going
to
just
not
revisit
this
because
of
the
concerns.
Okay,.
G
E
B
I
B
I
B
I
I
So
I,
don't
I!
Don't
want
the
folks
up
here
on
this
panel
and
other
people
in
the
audience
to
think
that
they
got
a
chance
of
getting
this
change
because
they
just
said
no
objections.
So
if
the
no
objections
means
that
they
can
get
another
bite
at
it,
then
tell
me,
but
no
objections
means
no
objections
to
mr.
I
I
B
B
I
B
I
B
K
Say
so
I
talked
to
both
engineers
yesterday
and
the
reason
why
they
told
this
company
to
try
to
get
access
through
us,
because
the
traffic
engineers
had
the
same
concerns
about
the
traffic
off
a
fun
road.
Now,
when
I
talked
to
them
yesterday,
one
traffic
engineer
knew
nothing
about
it
because
I
said
well.
K
Apparently
some
things
have
changed,
because
there
is
a
hearing
on
Thursday
night
and
he
said
well
I,
remember
talking
to
this
company
months
ago,
and
we
told
them
to
try
to
go
through
the
church
to
get
an
access
agreement
because
they
had
traffic
flow
concerns.
So
he
said
he
had
to
call
the
other
traffic
engineer
to
to
see
if
he
gave
approval
for
this
new
plan
and
that
traffic
engineer
said
that
he
did
give
approval
for
so
even
yesterday,
the
traffic
engineers
were
not
even
on
the
same
page
and.
I
K
I
I
That's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
you
to
understand
so
so
this
is
a
staff
problem.
That's
been
again
bought
to
this
body
when
the
staff
has
got
the
problem,
because
what
I
have
in
my
packet,
the
traffic
engineer,
approval
of
access
on
them
to
this
property
from
a
private
drive
now
you're
telling
me
he's
gonna
read
this:
is
he
gonna
put
it
back
on
the
private
drive
or
what
is
he
going
to
do
now?.
K
No
era
of
extra
questions
what
the
manga
my
can
has
to
do
with
this.
We
purchase
our
property
over
there
originally
notice
profitable
son
of
the
direction
of
the
Masonic
Mason's
in
that
area
on
that
property,
and
they
got
a
covenant
on
that
property
and
I'm,
pretty
sure
you're
all
short
of
God
a
hand
guy,
because
if
you're
looking
at
coming
at
to
you,
everything
deaths
can
happen
there
and
who
you
have
to
go
through
to
get
that
approving
monger
Academy
was
on
the
people
in
that
covenant.
C
B
Next
item
is
presented
by
Gonzalez,
strengthen
Assoc,
representing
lion's
pride
or
incorporated.
This
is
a
public
hearing
for
development
plan
for
a
new
building
in
a
canopy
to
be
located
at
6850,
Braun
Road
in
a
B
for
commercial
zoning
district.
This
is
a
development
plan
and
will
not
require
a
vote.
G
Full
direction
will
be
on
the
west
side
of
the
property
writing
right
out
there
on
the
east
side
of
the
property,
then
we'll
have
access
down
to
a
Bell
Road
as
well
we're
looking
at
putting
a
convenience
store
about
7,500
square
feet.
They'll
have
10
to
12
pumping
stations
under
in
a
single
row
that
will
parallel
Vaughn
Road
parking
around
it
and
then
we'll
have
access
on
the
east
side.
That'll
actually
be
shared
by
a
lot
here
to
the
east.
G
I
Got
a
dumb
question,
then
you
got
to
write
in
right
out.
That's
further
away
from
the
intersection
on
this
property
on
this
proposal
versus
the
right-hand
write
out
that
you
refuse
to
discuss
down
there
on
the
other
end
of
our
road
I'm,
just
trying
to
understand
where
it's
the
logic.
You
got
right
in
right
out
and
you
refer
the
way
from
this
intersection
at
the
intersection
of
barrel
involved,
but
go
to
the
other
in
the
one
where
you're
closer
to
the
intersection.
I
G
For
some
windows
we
have
two
accesses
the
one
on
the
the
previous
case
is
one
access.
It's
only
access,
we've
got
Tara
property.
This
is
two
accesses,
so
you
can
do
it
right
in
right
out
and
if
you
get
you
get
the
full
you're
dispersing
traffic.
So
you've
got
two
entrance
points
and
you
gotta
wait
for
people
to
get
in
and
out
all
directions.
I.
I
E
I
G
G
Thank
you
I
put
on
record
that
I
do
not
appreciate
that
statement.
Well,
I
stand.
You
know
as
a
proud
engineer
past
the
PE
I've
got
a
stamp.
You
know
I've
been
doing
this
for
22
years,
good,
not
a
lot
of
things
in
my
city
Montgomery,
but
I
felt
this
attack
on
me
personally
and
I
was
just
like
to
go
on
the
record.
This.
G
E
G
E
I
L
E
L
L
One
was,
if
you
look
is
that
me
up
there:
you
got
you
know
where
brightness
states
is
yes,
so
the
back
of
the
property
you've
got
Bush
Bush
Mill
Road,
that
kind
of
dead
ends
into
the
church.
Property
ignores
property
they're
concerned
about
pedestrian
traffic,
so
their
suggestion
was,
could
we
put
a
fence
up
to
prohibit
pedestrian
traffic
and
we
will,
and
so
the
it
will
be,
the
engineer,
and
maybe
the
city
engineer
in
the
urban
forests
are
talking
about
offense,
but
the
missus
looks
upset.
Take.
L
L
Lighting
was
another
concern,
so,
in
addition
to
the
trees
that
were
planting
in
the
screening
natural
screening,
all
the
lights
will
be
focused
towards
the
commercial
property
with
screens
and
directed
and
as
little
was
bleeding
as
possible
will
be
installed.
And
then
another
concern
was
the
operating
hours
and
they're
going
to
come
up
and
speak,
but
they're,
okay,
with
ten
to
eleven
eleven
of
the
closing
time.
L
They
don't
want
anything
after
that
and
I
think
the
owner
is
fine
with
that
as
well
and
I
might
be,
and
then
another
suggestion
was
on
the
West
boundary,
so
that
would
be
backed
up
to
Brighton
homes.
So
if
you
look
on
your
landscape
plan,
there's
there's
bushes
and
then
pretty
big
trees
proposed
to
be
planted
along
that
line,
and
it
was
suggested
that
maybe
we
put
a
berm
to
raise
to
raise
it
a
little
bit.
L
So
you
you're,
starting
out
with
twelve
to
thirteen
fourteen
foot
trees
and
put
a
little
burn
you're
starting
out
with
thirteen
to
fifteen
foot
trees,
and
that
was
a
suggestion
by
the
homeowners.
So
as
long
as
the
slope
fits
in
I
think
we
can
put
a
berm
in
there.
Just
I
can't
define
how
tall
the
burn
would
be
without
an
engineer
telling
me
and
so
yeah.
This
is
the
picture,
so
you
see
Bush
Mill,
Road,
the
property.
That's
on
the
that
would
be
the
north,
the
north
side
of
bush
perot.
L
They
have
a
fence,
so
the
logical
place.
Would
we
tie
into
that
fence,
take
it
across
bush
mill
and
then
and
then
completely
go
east
kind
of
between
the
proposed
road
there
and
the
church
property
and
that's
for
to
knock
down
any
potential
pedestrian.
You
know
people
leaving
him
walking
through
the
neighborhood
or
vice
versa.
L
M
L
E
L
E
L
D
L
D
D
E
I
I
L
E
My
name
is
Jesse
miles
and
I
live
at
6,900
shortline
circle,
which
is
in
baile
station.
We
have
a
president.
We
have
an
association
for
officers.
We
were
not
told
about
this,
even
though
we
did
see
the
science
and
land
use
division
meeting
which
we're
at
now.
So
for
him
to
say,
he's
talking
to
the
homeowners,
I
thought
I
heard
him
say
that
we
were
not
told
about
this.
My
concern
is
like
everyone
else:
it's
traffic
I'm,
not
against
business,
but
just
coming
off
from
the
Bell
Road.
E
It
is
not
very
far
from
the
intersection
of
a
belt
in
voluntee
call
it
the
west
side,
which
is
brightened
estates,
which
is
a
subdivision
across
from
us.
We
live
across
the
highway,
but
the
in-and-out
left
turn
and
right
turn.
Either
way
you
talk
about
congestion
and
the
number
of
wrecks
I
think
is
going
to
happen
coming
out
of
this
place
because
of
the
entrance
over
onto
Bell
Road
it
and
it's
going
to
be
really
congestion
to
go
lower.
E
So
my
concern
is
the
traffic
and
the
wrecks
of
the
you
know
happened,
they're
turning
left
on
the
bail
and
right
on
the
bail
people
going
in
and
out
it's
already
a
madhouse
now,
at
certain
times
of
the
day,
on
bail
and
phone,
and
this
is
another
concern
with
traffic,
and
so
that's
my
obligation
I
mean
that's
my
question
about.
Why
do
we
need
another
service
station
there
or
an
entrance
over
onto
Bell
Road
I
know
you
need
access
to
get
rid
of
traffic,
but
that's
gonna
be
really
congestion.
Now
I
mean
it's
already
bad.
E
C
F
Don't
want
to.
You
know,
discredit
you
in
any
way,
but
I
live
there
and
I
see
it
on
a
daily
basis.
And
if
you
have
people
coming
out
on
bail,
they
should
only
turn
right.
Otherwise,
you've
got
you
got
one
lane
going
south
and
then
you've
got
three
lanes
going
north
with
the
farther
line
right
lane.
It's
supposed
to
be
turning
right
and
the
same
on
bond
right
now
at
that
marathon.
You
see
people
coming
out
of
that
marathon.
F
There
needs
to
be
a
sign
right
turn,
only
not
that
they
probably
would
you
know
really
do
it,
because
you
see
people
trying
to
go
over
three
lanes
of
traffic
to
go
left
I
mean
it's
just
you
got
a
school
coming
down
on
Bell
Road,
at
schools
being
built
down
there
and
I.
Don't
know
it's
been
over
ten
years
that
this
particular
property
went
before
and
that's
back
when
there
was
a
house
on
there
and
so
it
kind
of
snuck
up
on
us.
F
We
didn't
know
it
was
going
to
be
going
before,
but
since
it
has
been
before
you,
but
all
these
other
businesses
that
have
since
come
on
there,
I,
just
don't
I,
don't
see
how
the
traffic
is.
Is
gonna
gonna,
work
on
there
and
plus.
If
you
go
down
towards
the
bypass
that
Hardee's
down
there,
that's
supposed
to
be
a
circle.
K
I
mean
you've
already
got
Bruno's
over
there
on
the
right
side.
They
can't
been
baked
it
for
years
and
now
the
marathon
is
going
to
be
baking.
F
Probably
the
map
code
down
on
Barney's,
it's
going
to
be
vacant.
It's
I
just
think
it's
gonna
be
a
real
nightmare.
We
have
13
homes
on
Bell
Road
in
Bell
station
and
every
year
the
fence
gets
hit
now
you're
going
to
increase
the
traffic.
It's
it's
not
going
to
be
a
pleasant
thing.
It's
not
going
to
be
I
think
that
the
city
will
have
to
encounter
a
lot
more
problems
if
they
allow
this
to.
C
E
Felicia
Williams
20
32
station
court
imabelle
station,
our
residents
as
well
and
while
I
echo
everything
that
my
neighbors
have
said.
I
also
would
like
to
emphasize
that
we
are
I.
Think
I
speak
on
behalf
of
all
of
my
neighbors
to
say
that
we
are
adamantly
adamantly
opposed
to
a
lot
of
the
factors
that
this
type
of
business
would
bring
to
our
community.
E
It
is,
it
will
detract
from
everything
that
is
residential,
friendly
and
environmental,
friendly
and
I
heard
the
gentleman
talking
about
a
berm
or
whatever,
but
light
the
lights,
the
noise,
the
foot
traffic,
the
vehicle
traffic.
All
of
that
is
a
great
concern.
There
are
tons
of
bricks
at
this
intersection,
bail
and
bond
all
of
the
time
it
seems
to
already
be
of
and
I
just
echo
what
they
said
about
the
traffic,
but
in
it,
and
it
is
traffic,
but
it's
not
just
the
traffic
and
the
congestion.
It
is
the
residential
and
environmental
concerns
of
having.
E
So
many
of
you
know
just
repeats
of
the
same
type
of
business
in
our
area,
so
noise
and
also
attracting
people
in
at
after
hours,
even
11
o'clock.
That's
almost
midnight
so
and
I
also
echo
what
miss
miles
said
about
the
upcoming
high
school.
That's
gonna,
be
on
Bell
Road,
that's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
innocent,
experienced
drivers
there
and
left
turns
as
we
know,
or
you
know,
people
don't
obey.
Those
signs
about
no
left
turns.
E
F
Good
evening
I'm
Charlene
Boykin,
the
president
of
the
Brighton
area,
homeowners
association.
We
learned
of
this
back
I,
think
in
about
joke
January,
I'm,
not
sure
about
Bell
Station,
saying
that
they
had
not
been
informed
of
it,
but
we
were
informed
of
it
back
in
January
and
we're
not
opposed
to
the
station
being
there.
F
We
just
had
some
concerns
with
some
additional
safety
issues
being
put
in
place,
of
course
we're
not
for
engineers
of
Montgomery,
and
we
would
hope
that
they
would
be
effective
in
doing
their
job
to
make
sure
that
all
of
these
other
bases
are
covered.
If
this
gas
station
has
an
opportunity
to
go
there
now
we
live
in
Brighton
estates,
not
in
the
bill
station
and
so
just
from
driving.
There's
a
lot
of
problems
coming
out
of
that
Old
Orchard.
Even
before
this
gas
station
came
up,
they
mostly
turn
right
coming
out
of
there
anyway.
F
F
We
just
ask
that
there
be
some
safety
measures
put
in
and
that's
why
we
were
asking
that
there
be
a
fence
that
is
put
in
from
the
bushel
corner
all
the
way
down
to
the
end
of
the
store
behind
and
that
the
lights
be
put
up
there
and
that
it
had
the
built
up
the
build
up
for
the
trees.
So
I
would
think
that
if
they
would
look
at
it,
the
engineers
would
look
at
it
and
make
the
determining
factor.
We
would
be
okay,
one
way
or
the
other,
but
we're
not
opposed
to
it.
C
F
Want
to
say,
you
know
gasoline
Ali
used
to
be
in
the
newspapers
and
basically
when
people
moving
into
Bell
station-
and
we
didn't
hear
about
this
and
any
I
should
tell
you-
Chris
Foster
Bell
station
HOA
president,
but
we're
having
these
new
stations
come
in,
and
that
means
we've
already
got
one.
That's
a
blight
the
Valero
station,
just
a
just
a
block
or
two
away.
So
now
we
get
a
marathon
station.
Is
that
going
to
become
a
light?
And
we
do
have
like
I
say
that
I
concur
with
with
everything
that's
been
said,.
F
E
I
Want
to
point
out
one
other
thing
and
I
may
believe
this
alone
I
think
but
I'm
just
looking
at
all
of
these
intersections,
particularly
when
you
get
along
Bell
Road.
The
connection
from
this
project
to
Bell
Road
and
how
close
it
is
to
the
southernmost
entrance
to
this
gas
station.
That's
already
there.
You
can
see
it
a
little
bit
better
here.
I
Well,
well
that
red
line
comes
out
and
touches
railroad,
and
if
you
go
up
the
page
I
mean
that's
awfully
close
to
me
and
with
the
comments
that
the
people
have
made
about
the
traffic
along
there
and
the
problems
that
they've
had
without
this
being
a
new
project
to
meet
something
James
I'm
with
you
I
just
don't
understand,
know
how
this
has
no
objections.
When
you
got
these
kind
of
touch
points
that
don't
seem
to
be
addressed
properly
about
P.
N
My
name
is
Bert
Jones
I'm,
Emmitt,
6,700
Carroll
court
and
the
Breitner
estate
neighborhood
I
have
been
a
resident
F
over
twenty
years.
I
watch
this
neighborhood
develop
from
Brewster's
coming
in
the
metro,
Sturridge
Domino
pieces
moving
from
watchman
over
on
bail,
so
growth
I
have
watched
and
watch
has
been
put
in
place.
Now.
N
This
section
of
Brighton
has
not
been
developed
for
anymore
homes.
It
always
been
our
mind.
It
would
be
developed
for
business,
so
that's
nothing
new
to
our
our
plan
or
what
was
going
to
happen
as
well
as
what
we
want
to
do,
but
to
put
in
the
safety
niches
that
we
was
talking
about
now
for
its
traffic
and
I
understand,
that's
a
very
concern
with
all
of
us.
N
Actually,
this
is
going
to
be
a
better
let
out
spot
than
actually
coming
out
on
these
service
stations
already
present
from
the
road
entrance
coming
out
because
you're
down
the
street
father
when
we
first
got
used
to
that,
we
just
had
to
still
use
Watchmen
to
go
out
and
catch
a
barn
road
versus
trying
to
go
up
and
catch.
It
was
poured
more
say
for
the
catch
watchman.
The
only
thing
I
would
think
to
be
more
considerate
on
weather
entries
way
is
coming
out
on.
N
N
That
interest
way
now,
I'd
like
to
say,
the
sign
has
been
long
but
down
it's
difficult
because
you
got
across
two
lanes
down
or
the
turning
lane
bought
it.
So
if
you
move
it
back
up
here,
what
we're
talking
about
up
here,
we
actually
know
in
the
park
where
the
sun
line
comes
into
play
for
either
way
to
turn
traffic,
so
that
that's
to
be
is
the
major
point
of
the
interest
rate
coming
out
up
on
Vaughn
Road,
because
it
you
are
not
going
into
a
into
a
one
direction.
N
You
can
go
into
a
senator
Lane
and
so
I'm,
not
against
that
long
as
they
are
willing
to
to
protect
our
neighborhood
privacy
with
the
homes
there
and
keep
it
safe.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
Bruce
hero,
not
open
for
access
to
bring
the
traffic
back
through
that
direction.
That's
our
concern
and
to
make
sure
the
fence
line
go
down,
so
we
don't
get
to
overflow
traffic
from
the
church,
own
emptiness,
running
the
church,
property
lying
down
behind
the
homes.
N
So
we
have
to
have
that
fence
in
place
to
keep
the
that
you
safe,
because
we
don't
want
to
happen
like
a
back
alley
thing
that
brings
them
in
a
danger.
That's
a
probable
walk
safety
concern
is
to
keep
out
youth.
We
have
a
high
a
very
high
high
homo
students
capacity
in
it
in
that
neighborhood,
so
that
would
be
our
most
concern
would
be
the
best
that
keep
that
fence
line.
So
we
don't
have
to
address
that
later.
I
think
thank
you.
E
E
Final
thought,
one
final,
thought
and
I
think
what's
going
to
happen
is
if
this
is
approved,
is
people
are
going
to
come
down?
Vaughn
turn
it
to
the
service
station
to
avoid
the
light
and
come
on
to
bill
and
people
coming
up.
Bill
are
gonna,
make
the
left
turn
to
go
into
the
service
station
to
get
on
vine,
to
avoid
the
light
and
and
I
think
that's
gonna
be
the
issue.
That's
gonna
cause
more
traffic
problems.
I
mean
it's
going
to
do
that:
okay,
okay,.
C
C
If
not
what
I
have
heard
from
a
bunch
of
concerned,
citizens
I'm
just
gonna
speak.
My
piece
right
now
is
that
this
had
to
go
through
a
zoning
process.
Some
of
you
may
not
have
lived
in
the
brightness
States,
it's
at
a
time
or
bell
station
or
whatever,
but
that's
why
we
have
the
Zoning
hearings
when
it
gets
to
this
stage.
It's
already
been
zoned.
C
So
if
you
have
concerns
about
this
or
any
other
item,
make
your
comments
at
the
zoning
zonings
and
they
are
put
out-
and
you
know
when
they're
held
in
whatever-
or
you
should
most
developers
that
make
these
that
do
this-
they
know
they
want
to
talk,
and
we
pretty
well
encourage
them
to
talk
to
the
community
at
the
zoning
time
before
it
gets
to
this
place.
This
is
a
little
bit
late
for
this.
This
is
a
development
plan
as
it's
a
public
hearing,
but
we
don't
have
a
vote
on
this.
C
This
is
a
public
hearing,
so
I
appreciate
your
time.
I
appreciate
you
coming
down
here,
but
at
this
point
the
development
hearing
has
been
held,
and
we
appreciate
your
time
here.
Thank
you
as
far
as
the
staff
goes
I
think
you
know
on
these
last
two
that
we've
had
their
concerns
from
the
community
about
these.
If
the
traffic
zoning,
they
had
no
comments
about
them,
I'm
not
sure
when
they
will
ever
have
a
comment
about
a
zoning
I
mean
about
a
about
a
development
plan,
so
I
think
we've
said
it
now
all
right.
Thank
you.
B
Know
I'm
number
nine
is
presented
by
flowers
and
white
engineering
representing
Frank
Thomas.
It's
a
public
hearing
for
develop
plan
for
new
buildings
and
a
canopy
of
located
on
the
east
side
norm
bridge
road
across
from
the
eastern
end
of
Houston
Honda
on.
Excuse
me
from
the
east
end
of
Honda
Boulevard
in
a
v2q
commercial
district.
This
is
a
development
plan
and
will
not
require
a
vote
good.
C
D
C
B
Tenth
item
is
presented
by
flowers
and
white
engineering
represented
here:
Henry
Franklin
Thomas,
the
third
request,
final
approval
of
hande
cross
and
plat
number
one
on
the
east
side
of
norm,
bridge
road
across
the
East
End
of
hande
Boulevard
and
a
b2q
commercial
zoning.
This
is
a
plat
and
will
require
a
vote.
E
G
C
E
C
I
F
D
I
C
B
E
C
C
B
H
D
D
D
C
E
C
E
B
H
C
E
H
C
H
B
The
15th
item
on
the
agenda
is
by
Larry
speaks
associates
associates
representing
Chevron
Purple
Cow.
This
is
a
public
hearing
for
development
plan
for
a
new
building
and
canopy
to
be
located,
12:20,
pier
Hill
Road
and
a
beef
wolf
commercial
zoning
district.
This
is
a
development
plan
and
will
not
require
a
vote.
G
All
of
the
there
are
currently
four
entrances
off
of
Interstate
core
we're
eliminating
one
entrance,
the
one
kind
of
in
the
curve
right
there
on
your
plan,
while
retaining
the
other
two
and
the
one
in
the
cul-de-sac
in
the
back
now
I'll
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions
so
you're
just
moving
the
building
the
convenience
store
back
home
a
lot.
That's
correct!
It's
going
basically
back
to
the
to
the
second
lot
that
they
purchased
a
few
years
ago.
That's
right.
B
C
B
Got
a
16
adam-16
is
presented
by
Larry
speaks
and
so
shi'ites
representing
the
fxk
LLC
request:
final
approval
of
the
fhk
LLC
clap
number
one
located
on
the
southwest
corner
of
clearing
Hill
Road
in
the
interest
rate
Court
in
a
B
for
commercial
zoning
district.
This
is
a
plat
and
will
require
a
vote.
G
And
this
is
the
same
property
in
question.
It's
currently
two
separate
two
separate
lights
that
we're
looking
to
replant
into
one
it's:
a
reef
flat
of
wat
to
standard
oil,
company
platen
number
two
and
a
lot
one
of
the
replay
of
what
one
Standard
Oil
Company
flat
number
two.
It's
a
total
total
of
1.1,
two
acres,
all.
C
C
C
M
We'll
try
to
make
this
as
painless
as
possible,
of
course
we're
the
last
one.
Hopefully
we
say
it
the
best
for
last.
For
those
of
you,
don't
that
don't
know
me
and
I
know
most
everybody
here,
except
mr.
Mantooth,
but
everybody
else
I'm
very
familiar
with
I'm
Robert,
Smith,
I'm
Director
of
Planning
here
at
the
city
of
Montgomery.
It's
a
pleasure
and
a
privilege
to
be
here
with
you
this
evening.
M
M
A
primary
reason
for
being
here
this
evening
is
to
present
the
final
draft,
updated
and
redone
comprehensive
plan
and
vision,
Montgomery
2040,
comprehensive
plan
we've
had
significant
input
in
our
planning
process.
Well,
over
1,000
citizens
have
weighed
in
either
through
our
community
summit,
which
we
had
nearly
600
people
residents
attend
over
at
Alabama
State
University,
our
open
house,
in
which
we
had
right
here
in
City
Hall
right
where
we
are
right.
M
Council,
districts
or
they've
either
participated
via
email
or
or
mail
or
through
our
website,
which
is
in
vision,
Montgomery,
2040,
dot,
o-r-g
that
citizen
input
has
gone
up
well
over
3,000
comments
and
ideas
that
have
been
basically
input
into
the
planning
process
that
we've
been
undertaking
over
now,
since
February
of
2018.
So
roughly
about
two
years.
M
Just
briefly,
a
comprehensive
plan
is
a
long-term
guide
for
future
physical
development
of
a
city
that
considers
input
of
citizens,
businesses
and
other
stakeholders
and
covers
a
period
of
a
course
of
twenty
years.
It
includes
recommendations
for
future
land-use
Community,
Design
connectivity,
open
space
and
recreational
areas,
cultural
and
historical
resources,
infrastructure
and
economic
development.
This
has
been
a
huge
opportunity
that
we've
had
in
developing
and
preparing
our
first
comprehensive
plan
for
the
city
of
Montgomery
in
over
fifty
five
years.
M
So
fifty
five
years
since
the
last
comprehensive
plan
was
prepared
and
developed,
and
to
give
you
the
exact
point
in
time
with
57
years,
because
we've
been
two
years
in
this
process
and
so
55
years
when
we
started
great
cities,
they
just
don't
happen.
They're
well,
planned
and
good.
Meaningful
planning
facilitates
and
guys
what
happens
basically
on
on
the
ground.
M
I'd
like
to
also
thank
the
mayor
and
city
council
for
agreeing
to
fund
our
comprehensive
plan
that
planned
effort
that's
been
going
on.
This
is
probably
one
of
the
best
investment
decisions
that
they
could
have
made
and
agreeing
to
fund
the
update
of
this
plan
and
redo
of
this
plan.
I'd
also
like
to
recognize
our
envision
Montgomery
2040,
comprehensive
planning,
steering
committee
in
which
you
you
probably
have
seen
that,
if
you've
cruised
through
the
plan,
you've
seen
we've
had
roughly
about
a
50
person
steering
committee,
one
of
your
members.
Mr.
M
Lastly,
I
want
to
reiterate
that
that
the
envision
Montgomery
2040
comprehensive
planned
again.
It's
two,
the
first
plan
of
its
kind
in
nearly
half
a
century.
It
will
prepare
a
Montgomery
boldly
into
its
next
chapter
of
growth
and
development
for
over
the
next
20
years,
nice
time
to
see
how,
for
you
all
to
see
how
our
citizens,
ideas
and
comments
and
get
professional
Planning
development
judgment
have
have
basically
come
to
life
and
see
how
that
will
basically
shape
Montgomery
over
the
next
20
years.
M
Man
I'd
like
to
introduce
a
member
of
our
planet:
consulting
team,
mr.
Kyle
May
who's,
a
senior
planner
with
the
urban
planning,
consulting
firm
planning
planning.
Next
Kyle
will
present
our
final
draft
3.0
version
of
our
comprehensive
plan,
envision
montgomery
2040
just
last.
A
few
brief
statements,
the
city
contracted
with
through
a
competitive
procurement
selection
process,
with
planning
next
rising
to
the
top
and
being
selected
in
and
they're
under
contract
for
the
amount
of
three
hundred
and
fifty
eight
thousand
dollars
to
basically
do
all
of
the
work
that
they
have
done
and
they
are.
M
That's
actual
implementation
from
the
comprehensive
plans
doing
some
things
like
zoning
ordinance
and
subdivision
regulation
rewrites,
so
that
that
plan
can
actually
be
implemented
on
the
ground.
So
with
further
ado,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Kyle
Mae
who's,
going
to
take
you
through
a
short
presentation
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
after
that,
we'll
entertain
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
O
Thank
you,
Robert
Thank
You
commissioners
for
having
a
serious
evening
consider
the
plan.
As
Robert
mentioned,
my
name
is
Kyle
Mae
I'm,
a
Senior
Planner
with
planning.
Next,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
back
very
grateful
for
this
opportunity
over
the
last
two
years
to
really
get
to
know
your
very
special
city
in
a
pretty
intimate
way,
all
160
plus
square
miles
of
it
through
the
work.
It's
been
a
real
honor
and
thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
O
As
Robert
mentioned,
I'm
gonna
try
to
shorten
my
presentation
up
a
little
bit.
I
know
we're
17
out
of
17,
so
I
don't
want
to
keep
you
all
too
long,
but
it's
been
a
long
road
to
planning
for
2040
our
first
meeting
February
22nd
2018
that's
over
850
days
ago,
but
in
that
time
we've
done
a
lot
of
work.
When
you
do
this
work
correctly,
it's
it's
not
easy.
It's
not
simple!
It's
not
done
in
a
room
with
a
closed
door.
It's
done
in
conversation
in
difficult
conversation
at
times,
hundreds
of
hours.
O
In
our
case
to
build
this
plan,
thousands
of
pages
reporting
I
know
the
plan
is
heavy
unto
itself,
but
trust
that
there's
a
mountain
of
paperwork
below
that,
whether
it's
the
community
Factbook
strategic
analysis,
memos
or
hundreds
of
other
documents
that
we've
referenced
and
worked
with
throughout
the
plan,
but
also
you
know
dozens
of
community
meetings
as
part
of
this
robert
mentioned
that
this
was
always
intended
to
be
an
inclusive,
open,
transparent
and
collaborative
process,
not
just
with
the
leadership
not
just
with
stakeholders,
but
with
the
community.
Overall.
O
Eleven
steering
committee
meetings
along
that
process,
20-plus
community
meetings
across
the
160
plus
square
miles
and
35
focus
group
discussions
squeezed
in
as
well
lots
of
work
and
to
prove
how
long
this
has
been
that
guy
on
the
screen
didn't
exist
when
we
started
this
work,
that's
my
son,
Owen
team,
a
with
the
Alabama,
so
I
saw
an
Auburn,
thinks
I'm,
sorry
about
that,
just
off
the
jump,
but
the
road
of
2040.
As
I
mentioned.
O
You
also
see
that
when
you
do
this
work,
you've
got
to
bring
in
a
lot
of
analysis
and
you've,
not
done
it
in
50
years.
There's
a
strong
foundation
that
needs
to
be
set.
So
we
did
a
lot
of
analysis
through
this
first
at
a
baseline
understanding.
What
you
know
what
was
really
going
on
in
Montgomery,
just
a
high
level
and
then
zooming
in
with
their
strategic
analysis.
O
Looking
at
things
like
housing,
neighborhoods,
land
use,
economic
development,
mobility
and
many
others,
and
you
finally
see
we
start
to
draft
this
plan,
parallel
Pastore
to
meet
and
we
get
to
where
we
are
today.
251
pages
developed
by
the
people
of
Montgomery
thirteen
hundred
participants
in
total,
contributed
to
this
plan.
Oh
and
that's
unique
participants
over
serration,
15
plus
months
planning,
20
priority
projects
based
on
that
open
house.
Six
chapters
and
topics
focus
groups,
100-plus
action
proposals,
but
really
one
vision
to
leave
Montgomery,
for
that
was
critical.
O
That
was
our
charge
to
find
something
that
this
community
agrees
to
aim
for
and
that
one
vision
is
what
every
action
recommendation
every
goal
is
pointing
toward.
Your
comprehensive
view
is
just
that
when
you
do
this
work,
you
start
from
a
high
vantage
point
and
I
hope
you'll
excuse
the
fact
that
when
you
do
comprehensive
planning,
sometimes
you
reveal
more
questions
than
you
do
answers,
but
that's
just
because
you've
looked
and
it
really
is
a
good
thing.
As
Robert
mentioned,
you
know,
great
communities
do
planning
and
they
do
it
on
an
ongoing
basis.
O
So
that
top
of
the
mountain
view
that
we've
revealed
through
this
work.
Well,
it
does
reveal
a
full
scene.
There
may
be
an
opportunity,
the
future,
to
dig
in
deeper
and
understand
some
of
these
questions
further
and
Robert's
staff
steering
committee
are
proud
of
that
they're,
proud
of
having
revealed
that
and
one
other
point
that
I
really
want
to
highlight
here
that
we
didn't
start
from
scratch.
O
Even
though
this
community
had
not
done
a
comprehensive
plan
in
50-plus
years,
you
had
done
a
lot
of
great
planning,
both
at
a
neighborhood
level
within
downtown
thinking
about
different
sectors.
So
we
built
on
top
of
that
work,
not
adjacent
to
it
and
I.
Think
you.
Hopefully
you
see
that
reflected
in
some
of
the
ways
we
describe
neighborhoods
the
way
we
described
your
unique
downtown
I'll
quickly
run
through
this.
O
Just
as
an
organization
of
the
plan,
you
all
have
seen
the
structure,
but
the
vision
is
important
to
me
because
it
rides
above
everything
it's
supported
by
some
pillars:
around
goals,
measurable
objectives
and,
last
but
not
least,
these
actions
recommendations
and
we
wrote
these
in
the
plan,
the
steering
committee.
It
was
important
that
these
were
projects
or
policies
or
programs,
but
something
that
discrete
that
we
can
check
off
that
we
could
make
progress
on
and
move
the
community
toward
that
vision
there
at
the
top.
There
were
six
of
these
topics.
O
These
goals
that
emerged
through
the
work
really
collecting
up
a
lot
of
the
original
12
topics
that
we
were
charged
with,
lysing
and
researching
great
places,
people,
housing,
neighborhoods
assets
and
amenities
are
connections,
prosperity
and
our
foundation.
Those
started
to
pull
together
a
number
of
the
topics
that
we
research
through
the
work
and
as
you'll,
see
111
action
proposals
in
total
that
are
organized
within
those
six
large
buckets.
O
Probably
if
you
were
at
the
open
house,
you
may
have
seen
this
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
bit
sense
of
the
paths.
I
showed
you
those
two
parallel
paths
that
came
together
with
the
analysis
and
with
the
engagement.
Well.
This
is
how
this
work
with
the
recommendations.
We
revealed
some
major
opportunities
and
challenges.
O
We
asked
the
community
about
those
things,
and
then
we
did
some
more
focus
team
research
to
understand
some
of
those
questions
a
little
bit
better,
bring
in
some
best
practices
or
invent
them
out
a
whole
cloth
for
Montgomery
and
develop
out
a
set
of
plans,
strategies
or
recommendations
and
you'll
see
those
dots
are
different
sizes
because
the
actions
are
different
sizes.
Some
of
them
are
massive
they're
transformational
projects
they're
expensive
projects,
they're
generational,
some
of
them
there
are
things
that
you
should
start
tomorrow,
they're
small,
but
they
have
a
potential
for
an
impact
as
well.
O
We
gathered
those
things
together.
We
developed
a
draft.
We
worked
with
our
steering
committee.
Most
importantly,
we
work
with
the
community
in
this
room
to
understand
where
their
priorities
were.
I
mentioned
those
20.
Those
20
are
reflected
by
their
voting,
not
just
in
this
room,
but
also
in
nine
council
districts
that
we
took
the
plan
out
to
out
to
and
then
I
come
to
you
today
in
the
process
of
adopting
this
final
package,
this
plan
and
everything
that
encapsulates
in
the
two
years
of
work.
O
So
we
start
back
in
February
meeting
number
one
Robert
doing
a
similar
presentation
here
we
are
today
with
what
is
in
front
of
you
a
lot
of
great
moments
along
the
way
at
the
a
Kadam
one
of
my
favorites
absolute
highlight
I.
Think
throughout
all
this
was
Alabama
State,
marching
band
very
loudly,
kicking
us
off
there
at
the
academic,
your
member,
if
you
were
there
and
all
the
activities
associated
with
that,
I
have
to
include
this
slide,
because
this
slide
I
was
fairly
powerful
in
our
work.
O
This
is
a
pressing
word
clouds
before
this
Mills
through
all
the
data
that
was
part
of
your
database
of
5,000
comments
and
tries
to
pull
out.
You
know
these
sentiments
around.
What
do
you
want
to
see?
Montgomery
look
like
in
2040.
What
is
your
vision?
These
words
that
come
to
the
top
I
think
describe
Montgomery,
that
I've
come
to
know
quite
well:
unified,
educated,
aggressive,
vibrant,
equal
hopeful,
all
those
sorts
of
words
prosperous.
O
My
goals
for
you
in
this
plan
moving
forward
is
that
you
treat
this
it
really
as
a
movement
as
opposed
to
a
document.
You
close,
you
say:
you're
finished
a
good
plan.
The
ones
we've
seen
are
aspirational.
They
reach
far
they
reach
high.
They
reflect
the
community
of
values.
The
people
that
are
here
today,
they're
impactful,
they're,
measurable,
they're,
realizable
and
last
but
not
least,
I
highlight
this
on
purpose,
because
they're,
sticky
and
they're
scalable.
O
We
hope
that
with
envision
that
it
doesn't
end
with
the
adoption,
but
rather
it
becomes
a
movement
for
this
community
moving
forward
and
these
actions
become
a
rallying
cry,
not
just
within
City
Hall,
but
more
broadly
as
well
as
we
talk
about
some
of
the
specific
actions
within
the
within
the
doc.
You
know
I
won't
belabor
this
too
much,
but
needless
to
say
that,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
different
scales
of
actions
throughout
the
work.
There
are
those
and
we
would
call
maybe
early
wins
small
actions,
but
can
light
the
fire
of
this
movement.
O
Those
are
those
that
are
more
catalytic
that
can
make
a
fairly
large
impact
a
little
bit
more
resources,
devolve
I
mean
a
reserved
for
those
as
well
and
last.
There
are
some
of
those
generational
projects
within
here
that
we
really
believe
could
start
this
movement
and
lead
Montgomery,
take
a
leap
forward
as
opposed
to
a
step
and
really
help
you
move
toward
realizing
that
vision.
O
They
aren't
cheap,
they
require
a
lot
of
collaboration,
but
they
have
a
outsize
ability
to
transform
this
community
over
time
and
some
highlights
from
the
plan,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
a
hundred
plus
actions
that
are
part
of
this
program,
and
there
ought
to
be.
You
know
you
haven't
done
this
in
a
while.
Montgomery
is
a
big
place.
It's
it's
a
dynamic
place.
It's
a
diverse
place.
Trying
to
squeeze
that
into
you
know.
A
small
plan
was
always
going
to
be
a
difficult
charge
on
our
part.
O
So
what
I
wanted
to
do
here
is
just
pull
out
a
couple
that
I
thought
were:
have
the
potential
to
make
a
fairly
large
impact.
You
know
really
starting
a
year
one.
This
idea,
the
future
land-use
plan
is,
is
a
fundamental
component
of
comprehensive
planning
and
and
I
want
to
make
sure
we
draw
a
distinction
here.
This
is
not
a
zoning
map.
This
is
not
legally
binding,
but
this
is
a
I
level,
168
square
mile
recommendation
on
where
you
could
be
in
the
future.
It
takes
into
account
all
the
goals
around
economic
development.
O
It
considers
Community
Development
opportunities,
all
those
sorts
of
things
and
starts
to
put
that
down
on
to
the
map
of
Montgomery
in
the
way
that
could
be
articulated
through
development
types
in
the
future.
It's
accompanied
by
something
that's
critically
important,
critically
important
for
this
community,
which
is
a
development
code,
update
subdivision
regulations
along
with
that
and
other
regulatory
tools
which
help
to
join
some
of
your
Alabama
big
cities
in
updating
some
of
those
fundamental
tools
for
your
use.
O
We
go
into
a
little
bit
about
what
makes
the
downtown
and
the
core
neighborhoods
a
little
different,
a
little
special
and
how
they
could
be
enhanced
and
throughout
this
plan,
you'll
also
see
references
to
some
districts
that
Montgomery
might
not
have
today,
but
could-
and
indeed
perhaps,
should
in
the
future.
If
it's
gonna
take
advantage
of
some
of
the
emerging
things
we
see
in
the
new
economy,
if
it's
gonna
lift
some
other
folks
into
neighborhoods
out
of
their
current
state.
O
Another
action
that
I'm
quite
excited
about
it's
around
this
possibilities,
neighborhood
in
every
conversation
we
had
in
Montgomery
neighborhoods,
were
of
utmost
important
200-plus
identified
in
this
community.
We
really
wanted
to
make
that
a
highlighted
element
here,
but
we
know
as
planners
and
folks
that
do
this
around
the
country,
that
you
can't
copy
and
paste
neighborhood
initiatives
and
if
you
do
there's
a
high
fail
rate.
Well,
we
we
became
clear
in
this
work.
O
Is
that
a
Montgomery
neighborhood
initiative
need
to
be
designed
here
and
implemented
here,
and
that's
why
the
possibilites
neighborhood
program
is
so
exciting
to
me
it's
about
experimenting
in
one
of
your
important
neighborhoods,
seeing
what
will
work
here.
Maybe
what
won't
work
here
and
developing
a
playbook
that
you
can
go
out
and
take
the
200-plus
neighborhoods
to
implement
other
items.
I
thought
were
quite
important:
around
street
design,
typology
a
cop
to
your
character
and
land-use
update,
developing
a
downtown
plan.
O
You
have
been
in
downtown
I've,
been
in
downtown
now
quite
a
bit,
there's
been
a
tremendous
transformation,
that's
happening
there
and
there's
a
there's,
an
opportunity
to
go
from
1.0
to
2.0
to
take
that
plan
to
update
that
plan
more
in
a
business
looking
sense,
and
it
really
enhanced
that
district
and
take
it
to
the
next
level
leverage
all
that
progress.
That's
been
made
to
date.
Speaking
of
today,
moving
forward
toward
2040.
You
know
implementation
in
a
process
like
this,
as
we
see
it
is,
is
an
ongoing,
a
piece
of
work.
O
It's
a
continuation
really
of
this
work,
the
stamp
in
the
corner
there,
insignia
for
Montgomery
I
hope
that
we
see
that
throughout
the
future,
as
projects
are
implemented,
but
it
really
is
a
cycle
and
it
begins
with.
It
begins
with
reviewing
the
progress
you've
made
to
date,
evaluating
that
reporting
on
outcomes,
informing
a
budgetary
planning
and
thinking
about
things
like
capital
improvements,
capital
improvement
project
and
how
you
move
forward,
how
you
make
room
for
this?
O
D
O
O
That's
probably
the
the
the
one
item
that
we
spent
the
most
time,
I
think
going
back
and
forth
on
and
not
not
because
it's
frivolous,
not
because
it's
small,
but
because
it
was
so
important,
I
think
to
just
about
informing
everything
else
in
this
plan
when
I
say
that
those
those
pillars,
those
goals
or
outgrowths
of
that
vision,
I
do
mean
that
we
try
to
tie
everything
back
to
that
statement
and
how
will
this
action
get
you
closer
to
that
state?
You
know
in
twenty
years
from
now
twenty
years
is
ambitious.
O
I
will
say,
given
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
see
in
Montgomery
that
we've
outlined
here,
but
we
think
that
a
process
like
this
is
is,
is
repeatable
right,
I
think
that
evaluation
is
really
critical
and
not
just
a
valuation
of
the
actions,
but
also
the
vision
statement
itself.
You
know
five
years,
ten
years
down
the
line
you
need
to
look
back
on
that
statement
say
is
this:
who
we
truly
intend
to
be,
and
that's
it
that's
a
critical
importance
and.
D
O
Five
tends
to
be
the
standard
I
think
for
city
your
size,
just
because
there
is
so
much
movement,
so
much
dynamism,
you
think
about
those
hundred
and
ten
plus
actions.
You
know,
you're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
those
checked
off
in
five
years.
If
we
do
our
work
right
and
we
lay
this
out
properly.
So
the
update
for
me
is
more
about
looking
back
and
evaluating
this.
The
progress
you've
made
or
lack
thereof.
There
may
be
some
actions
we
revisit
and
say:
that's
that's
been
a
false
start:
we've
not
been
able
to
get
traction.
O
You
know
it
combined
the
wrong
partners,
so
it's
really
an
opportunity
to
start
setting
a
regular
pattern
for
yourself
where
five,
your
you're
evaluating
action,
that's
been
taken,
ten
you're
really
looking
back
and
looking
at
that
land-use
map,
looking
at
some
of
the
bigger
items
and
on
the
twenty-year
rise
and
that's
when
a
lot
of
the
rewrites
happen.
That's
when
a
lot
of
the
recycles
happen,
at
least
around
the
southeast.
The
plans
we've
worked
on
well.
D
M
Well,
it's
not
a
part
of
the
package,
but
we
are
going
to
recommend
retaining
them
on
the
implementation
side
to
have
some
of
those
very
important
key
issues.
I
mean
and
it's
similar
to
what
they're
doing
down
in
Mobile
and
Tuscaloosa
right
now
and
back
to
your
five
to
ten
year
in
your
resolution
that
I've
had
given
the
Tanya.
If
you
all
approve
this,
it
says
in
the
resolution
that
the
comprehensive
plan
will
be
updated
at
a
minimum
of
every
five
to
five
years,
minimum
ten
years
maximum.
D
D
E
M
M
M
M
I
mean
we,
we
kind
of
felt
like
primary
reference
tool.
I
mean
it
is
typically
what
most
cities
use
as
their
primary
reference
tool,
for
you
know
how
land
is
and
property
is
developed
so
and-
and
you
know
even
given
some
of
the
problems
that
y'all
have
seen
the
night
with
with
gas
stations
and
access
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
you
you
you,
you
really
do
need
a
primary
reference
guide
that
you
know
to
go
about
how
doing
some
of
these
things.
So
that's
that's
why
you
know
used
such
a
strong.
A
A
C
Education
was
the
number
one
priority
per
your
list
and
all
the
recommendations
that
I
saw
was
just
work
with
a
school
system.
There's
got
to
be
more
to
it
than
that
I
mean
y'all
can
make
recommendation
better
than
that,
and
that's
yes,
that
that's
my
real
problem
with
it
far
as
preschool
and
whatever
sure
all
you
said
was
have
a
meeting
with
was
picked
with
people
involved
that
there's
more
to
that.
This
looks
to
cut-and-dried
into
look.
C
You
could
take
in
tuscaloosa
sand
said
it
hurts
pretty
much
the
same
thing
but
Montgomery's
data
in
there
and
your
objectives
are
to
work
with
people
well
yeah.
That
is
our
objective,
but
there's
I
didn't
see
much
specific
recommendations,
specifically
on
the
biggest
issue
that
hits
Montgomery
right
now,
which.
M
M
C
M
Yes,
sir,
and
of
course,
outside
of
about
the
only
thing
we
can
really
work
with
them
is
really
physical,
physical
assets,
you
don't
land
in
buildings,
but
not
necessarily
policies.
You
know
the
city
doesn't
have
any
control
over
the
school
system.
The
school
system
has
has
its
own
separate.
You
know
Board
of
Education,
which
is
elected
to
to
represent
the
you
know
the
citizens
within
the
county,
saying
that's
really
about.
As
far
as
we
can
go,
even
though
it
was
something
that
people
know
they
mentioned
as
the
best
an
issue.
I
E
I
I
You
even
talk
about
how
to
deal
with
downtown
by
establishing
some
kind
of
design
committee
that
reviews
all
of
this
stuff
for
downtown.
Well,
why
isn't
that
same
level
of
involvement
for
the
entire
city?
I
mean
you're,
not
talking
about
provide
some
kind
of
design
review
committee
for
North
Montgomery.
You
know
I
mean
why
isn't
such
a
heavy
emphasis
on
downtown
when
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
Montgomery
plan?
I
I
really
have
a
problem
with
that
seriously
and
I
mean
sure
all
my
reading,
I
hadn't,
seen
when
you
drill
down
on
anything
else,
that's
specific
other
than
downtown
have
attracted
presentation.
Tonight
was
heavily
related
to
downtown
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
asking
for
an
answer,
because
it's
not
there,
but
the
other
thing
that
I'm
really.
This
is
the
time
when,
when
we've
got
some
issues
in
this
country
that
that
really
it's
causing
a
lot
of
us
to
come
together
and
in
some
cases,
is
taking
people
and
moving
them
apart.
O
O
So
they
are.
The
diagram
that
I
have
up
on.
The
screen
gives
some
sense
about
how
some
of
the
actions
actually
get
thought
about
within
the
work.
Those
things
will
tweak
in
control,
meaning
the
city
can
control
those
things
which
we
can
influence,
which
a
lot
of
the
educational
issues
were
in
that
territory,
where
we
could
work
with
partners
around
the
community
to
try
to
effect
change,
but
not
necessarily
out
of
the
center
and
those
issues
that
are
perhaps
just
outside
of
this
community's
control
that
we
only
could
highlight
than
the
plan.
O
There
were
quite
a
few
of
those
as
well,
and
commissioner
Tate
I
apologize
I
want
us
to
address
that
piece
yeah,
but
your
note
on
downtown
quickly.
I
know
you
didn't
ask
for
an
answer,
but
I'm
gonna
give
a
very
brief
one,
because
the
downtown
was
a
critical
issue
here,
just
because
it
is
such
a
profound
asset
to
this
community.
Most
of
your
historic
assets
are
clustered
within
downtown.
It
is
the
core.
It
is
the
heart
of
this
community,
but
it's
not
the
whole
community
you're
right.
O
One
hundred
sixty
eight
square
miles,
plus
this
is
a
very
large
community.
I've
mentioned
the
200
plus
neighborhoods
I,
believe
that
that
possibilities
neighborhood
is
an
absolutely
critical
action.
That's
why
I
highlighted
it.
I
didn't
highlight
it
in
a
secondary
sense,
because
it's
smaller
that's
a
very,
very
important
action
for
this
community
and
it's
a
way
of
pulling
this
plant
outside
of
the
downtown,
the
1.5
or
2
square
miles
of
downtown
and
into
the
broader
neighborhoods
within
and
commissioner,
your
your
final
point,
your
question.
I'm.
Sorry,
could
you
repeat
that.
I
I
I
happen
to
think
that
I'm
I'm,
just
using
these
as
an
example
to
sell
such
a
heavy
emphasis
you're
going
into
the
second
round
of
downtown
when
some
areas
haven't
had
the
first
look
mm-hmm,
that's
where
I'm
concerned,
because
I
don't
think
this
plan
addresses
the
entire
city
of
Montgomery
to
the
same
degree
that
you're
putting
emphasis
on
downtown
I,
go
back
in
the
historic
aspect.
Downtown's
extort
you've
got
history
and
share
it
in
height,
absolutely
absolutely
okay,
so
I'm
just
using
that
as
an
example.
I
So
that
means
that
you're
about
to
take
this
kind
of
exercise
to
another
level
that,
if
you're,
not
a
design
professional,
you
can't
be
involved
in
the
work
that
you
want.
The
review
committee
to
do
for
downtown.
Why
isn't
that
same
emphasis
placed
on
West
Montgomery
with
the
same
kind
of
people
planning
and
review
and
West
Montgomery.
O
Well,
Commissioner,
if
I
can
respond
to
that
I
think
one
thing
is
really
important
to
say
about
the
comp
plan,
which
is
a
great
opportunity,
is
that
you
know
what
we've
developed
here
is
really
a
menu
of
potential
projects
and
programs
and
policies.
It's
not
a
checklist,
meaning
that
it's
not
a
list
that
can't
be
added
to
it.
Can't
it's
not
a
list
that
can't
be
reviewed.
O
I
do
believe
that
there
are
quite
a
number
of
actions
within
here
that
really
do
respond
to
the
greater
need
outside
of
downtown,
especially
some
of
the
lower-income
neighborhoods
all
across
the
board
within
Montgomery
I.
Think
that
is
paid
special
attention
throughout
the
plan.
It's
not
explicitly
called
out
because
there
are
so
many
varies,
and
so
I
mean
various
types
of
a
bruise
across
Montgomery,
but
really
quickly,
because
you
asked
a
question
about
the
race
and
ethnicity
for
because
this
is
important
to
me.
O
This
is
something
that
actually
a
Durham
North,
Carolina
developed,
I,
think
about
five
or
six
years
ago
as
a
way
of
tracking
and
pointing
out
change
within
minority
groups
within
Durham,
it's
been
an
important
tool
for
them,
as
they
think
about
equity
issues.
They
think
about
these
planning
issues.
Neighborhood
issues
that
you
bring
up
having
that
data,
that's
updated
in
an
ongoing
way,
has
been
very,
very
critical
to
them
and
I
thought
something
that
could
be
adapted
within
the
Montgomery
context.
I.
I
O
It's
just
yeah:
it's
just
that
it's
a
tool
it
could
be
used
for
multiple
things.
It's
ongoing
data
portal
that
in
this
case,
one
of
the
questions
that
we
received
a
lot
especially
from
neighborhood
groups,
is
to
look
at
our
data,
not
just
in
terms
of
the
pillar,
not
just
in
terms
of
all
of
Montgomery,
but
how
it
breaks
down
for
different
groups.
The
poverty
rate
is
compared
for
different
minority
groups.
Of
the
you
know:
educational
attainment.
For
recent.
O
You
know
a
recent
Montgomery
residence
versus
a
long,
long
time,
Montgomery
residents.
We
were
asked
to
parse
the
data
in
a
number
of
ways
and
what
I
like
about
the
race
and
physi
portal?
Is
it
allows
you
to
do
that
in
an
ongoing
basis?
So
you
can
see
how
the
community
may
be
responding
to
some
of
the
interventions
that
you're
testing
out
things
like
the
possibilities.
O
I
Here,
yeah,
but
the
only
thing
is
I'm,
not
clear
how
I
hear
you
explain
it
explaining
it.
Sometimes
it's
fine,
but
this
is
a
document
if
somebody
said
there's
a
primary
guide
and
so
your
explanations,
not
in
the
document,
you
see
what
I'm
praying
you
just
understand.
So
when
you
leave
that
Robert
has
to
administer
this
thing,
he's
gonna
forget
about
what
you
just
said:
he's
gonna
go
by
what's
in
the
book,
because
he's
gonna
tell
me
what's
in
the
book:
that's
what
I
gotta
go
back.
It's
very
sudden!
I!
Don't
forget!
O
I
If
you
just
look
at
the
amount
of
words
you
put
in
a
three
point,
two
versus
the
amount
of
words
you
put
in
a
two
point:
two
that
shows
me
a
priority
right
there.
There
ain't,
no
design,
professionals
or
people
at
that
level
of
dealing
with
a
a
three
point
two,
but
you
got
design
professionals
dealing
with
downtown,
but
not
normal
government.
Well,.
H
L
I
O
I
E
Thank
you,
I
have
a
quick
question.
9
and
maybe
I
missed
the
answer
to
it
every
5
or
10
years.
Will
you
review
it?
We
use
set
milestones
milestones
for
that
time
and
then
review
it.
Or
will
you
just
you
know
we
kind
of
go
and
see
where
we
are
at
5
and
then
adjust
fire
and
for
the
next
five
and
go
like
how
do
you
plan
to
go
yeah.
O
The
the
the
update
is
is
an
important
moment,
I
think,
and
you
could
really
design
this
in
a
way
that
works
best
for
Montgomery
and
the
action
agenda
that
you
you
land
on
I,
think
what's
really
critical
here
and
you
see
this
is
reflect
on
page
236
and
within
the
implementation
matrix
of
some
of
these
management
and
governance
actions.
This
idea
of
developing
some
indicators,
I,
think,
is
a
really
critical
item
here.
O
Thinking
about
how
we
do
measure
progress
and
within
that
five-year
update,
what
you
have
a
chance
to
look
at
is
some
of
the
data
around,
for
instance,
the
race
identity
for
the
commissioners
brought
up
over
here,
looking
where
you
have
made
progress,
not
just
within
the
actions,
but
also
within
some
of
these
trends
that
we
sought
to
change
within
the
plan.
So
the
five-year
update
can
do
a
number
of
things
for
you
can
update
your
conditions
and
trends,
research
to
say
the
progress
you've
made.
O
You
can
look
back
on
actions
and
say
those
ones
that
we've
made
progress
on
are
completed.
You
can
even
add
new
actions
at
that
moment
to
say:
there's
other
things
that
have
come
up
that
are
critical
to
us.
There's
been
a
major
development.
That's
happened
just
over
the
last
four
months
within
the
world.
You
know
they
changed
the
way.
O
We
look
at
things
while
we
tried
to
think
about
that
when
the
context,
the
plan
that
the
impacts
of
that
are
still
occurring
yeah,
we
can't
plan
for
that
right
now,
but
it's
important
that
in
five
years
we
look
back
on
that
moment
and
think
about
how
that
affected,
Montgomery
and
its
communities,
and
how
can
we
be
better
prepared
for
that
the
future
or
respond
to
the
impacts
we
may
still
be
feeling?
Is
that
fair,
Commission
yep
didn't.
D
D
M
D
Whatever
what
did
we
mean
so
and
so
when
we
said
such
it
says
yes,
keeping
I
had
a
little
conversation
earlier
and
I
don't
know
if
everyone
else
feels
this
way,
but
I'm
kind
of
playing
off
of
what
he
said.
The
second
time
he's
seen
this.
You
know
I
really
would
like
for
us
to
have
and
I
think
he
would
like
this
to
maybe
another
session
or
two
like
this,
because
give
us
an
opportunity
and
give
everybody
else
here,
an
opportunity
to
go
through
it
and
maybe
have
some
questions.
D
I
think
there's
been
some
pretty
good
questions
that
that
Cal
you've
done
both
of
y'all
had
done
a
wonderful
job
entry,
but
but
we're
gonna
no
more
three
months
from
now
about
what
didn't
work.
Maybe,
and
what
really
did
work
and
I
just
think.
Your
problem
we
have
on
the
plane
Commission
is:
is
we're
left
out
of
a
lot
of
stuff?
I
mean?
Oh,
we
got
decisions
we're
supposed
to
make,
but
the
truth
of
matter
is
a
lot
of
times.
We
don't
even
know
what
we're
doing
I
mean.
We
don't
know
why
and
well.
I
Well,
buddy,
since
you
kind
of
handed
the
baton
to
me,
I
agree
with
with
with
you
and
with
your
presentations
that
maybe
I'm
not
necessarily
saying
that
there's
a
problem
with
the
document
I
agree
with
you.
They've
done
a
lot,
a
lot
of
hard
work
and
it
appears
that
a
lot
of
good
work
but
I've
just
just
got
a
little
unrest
at
this
point,
not
necessarily
with
this
session
tonight,
but
I'd
like
to
have
some
way
of
having
a
little
bit
more
dialogue,
because
I've
got
a
lot
more
questions
and
I'm.
I
Sorry,
you
were
the
last
one
up
and
we
could
keep
me
well.
I
could
keep
your
he'll.
Everybody
else
might
leave,
but
but
I
just
think
that
this
body
deserves
a
little
bit
more
conversation
about
this
document,
because
it
does
take
us
out
to
2040
and
and
yes,
you
will
be
around
so
so
an
needs
to
know,
because.
I
You
know
that's
just
my
opinion
now,
of
course
I'm
with
this
group.
Whatever
they
decide,
we
decide
I'm
gonna
go
with
it,
but
I'm
just
simply
saying
that.
I
really
think
that
we
need
a
little
bit
or
conversations
about
this
in
my
opinion,
so
that
we
so
we
can
make
cast
the
honest
good
vote,
informed
vote.
That's
gonna.
Take
us
for
the
next
20
years.
I
think.
A
You
kitty
I
appreciate
that
too,
and
you
know,
if
you
you
know,
taking
a
look
at
the
various
neighborhoods
that
my
husband
and
I
walk
from
neighborhoods,
often
since
we're
not
doing
the
gym
as
anymore,
so
we
do
a
lot
of
walking
in
the
neighborhoods
and
it's
amazing
the
beauty
in
the
neighborhoods
and
they're
all
a
different
flavor,
and
if
there's
some
way
of
being
able
to
spend
some
time
and
either
focusing
or
providing
even
the
gateways
to
the
communities.
You
know
the
funding
should
be
get
me
know.
A
So
a
lot
of
these
neighborhoods
I
don't
know
the
names
of,
but
but
there's
so
many
different
Nicks
nooks
and
crannies
in
Montgomery,
so
that
you
know
people
will
be
aware
of
and
I'm
in
tourism,
so
I
mean
I
have
groups
coming
before,
Kovac
came
and
and
and
they
would
ask
me
where
all
the
people,
so
we
don't
live
downtown
where
they
live.
You
know
so
they're
really
interested
in
and
and
what
a
neighborhood
looks
like
in
Montgomery.
A
O
Be
brewers
are
the
building
block
of
community
right.
They
are
the
fundamental
element
of
what
makes
Montgomery
Montgomery
and
that
throughout
this
plan,
if
it
needs
to
be
intensified
it,
perhaps
it
should
that.
That's
that's
what
we've
sought
to
focus
on,
because
if
Montgomery
is
to
succeed
that
begins
in
the
neighborhood,
so
it
doesn't
necessarily
begin
in
downtown
the
neighborhoods
and
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
there,
but
there's
also
a
lot
of
disparity
there.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
difference
between
these
places.
O
I
Know
now,
I
will
say
this
to
you
along
those
same
lines.
That's
why
I
think
we
have
to
get
it
and
explore
these
areas
to
understand
them
to
the
same
degree
that
you
understand,
downtown
dialects
people
go
to
Woodcrest
and
tell
me
the
same
types
of
details
about
Woodcrest
as
you
can
about
downtown
and
I'm,
just
using
Woodcrest
as
an
example,
but
yet
still
I
see
where
you
want
to
develop
a
slavery
to
civil
rights
trail
in
downtown
Montgomery.
I
know
why
I'm
a
little
bit
of
the
history
of
why
that's
relevant
to
downtown.
E
E
The
at
the
risk
of
not
making
friends
at
the
risk
of
anything
I
mean
I,
understand
the
concerns
that
that
my
colleagues
have
but
I
think
for
us
to
hold
up
all
this
I
really
think
would
be
an
unfair
I
mean
some
of
the
issues
that
that
was
just
discussed
should
have
been
discussed
at
some
of
those
meetings.
I
mean
some
some
of
those
community
meetings
and
some
of
those
defined
at
Alabama
State
and
all
of
that,
but
they.
E
But
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
unfair
for
us
to
hold
this
back
and
not
vote
on
it
and
not
approve
it
because
you
know
just
like
you
say
you
know
we
really
don't
control
anything
anyway.
Just
like
the
the
people
in
here
today.
You
know
they
have
the
public
hearings
and
people
don't
like
it.
What
do
we
do?
So?
My
point
is
I.
Don't
think
we
should
hold
it
up,
I
think
we
should
vote
on
it.
I
think
we
should
I'll,
prove
it,
I
disapprove
it
or
whatever,
and
then
let
it
go.
E
D
D
M
M
I
mean
I
mean
the
most
important
place.
The
most
important
place,
not
left
I'll
expand
on
this.
The
most
important
place
in
any
city
is
its
downtown,
which
is
its
nucleus.
Without
a
good
downtown.
You
don't
have
a
good
City
I
mean,
and
that's
that's
just
the
bottom
line.
That
doesn't
mean
that
no
other
area
is
less
important
than
downtown,
but
but
downtown
is
important
for
the
viability
of
the
whole
entire
city
of
Montgomery
as
a
whole
and
and
and
that
that's
just
the
fact
that
is
common.
O
O
It
should
be
the
center
of
the
community
and
you
think
about
Montgomery's
growth
and
development
over
the
years
for
a
long
time.
That
was
the
extent
you
know
of
this
community.
It's
only
recently
that
we
explode
to
this
massive
footprint
farther
out
to
the
east,
so
so
much
of
the
history
of
Montgomery.
It's
not
a
commissioner
to
say
those
other
places
are
important.
It's
just
that
so
much
that
history
is
clustered
in
downtown
that
that's
why
it
gets
perhaps
a
little
bit
about
justice
within
the
plan.
Does
that
answer
your
question
so.
I
H
I
O
I
I
disagree
that
commissioners
sense
that
it
may
not
be
explicitly
called
out.
You
know
each
neighborhood
may
not
be
explicitly
called
out
within
the
plan.
However,
all
that
information
is
part
of
a
broader
livability
concept
that
runs
as
a
thread
throughout
every
one
of
those
chapters.
Every
six
of
those
chapters,
that's
an
incredibly
important.
How,
if
you
want
to
zoom
in
at
a
neighborhood
level
and
conduct
a
planning
operation
in
a
neighborhood
level,
you
have
a
history
of
doing
that.
O
I
M
I
A
stack
of
these
in
my
library
at
home
right
now,
I'm
gonna,
pull
them
out
and
I
bet.
You
do
too
buddy
somebody
else
up
here
and
I.
Don't
see
we
spend
time
with
that's
one
of
the
things
that
when
people
at
least
come
up
to
me,
or
maybe
some
of
others
over
here,
but
as
if
we
spent
all
this
time
that
Alabama
state
I,
said
one
aims
at
elementary
school
over
there
years
ago.
I
So
we
drilled
down
my
friend
we've
drilled
down,
but
maybe
we
need
that
extra
layer
of
professionalism
that
you're
asking
to
be
present
in
downtown
and
historic
aspects
around
downtown
to
maybe
get
some
of
these
other
things
off
the
shelf
and
implemented
and
become
a
priority.
But
you
know
the
disappointing
part
is
for
for
you
to
tell
me
that
there's
got
to
be
design
professionals,
environment
revealing
and
allowing
things
to
happen
in
downtown
or
The
Associated
historical
neighborhoods.
I
You
vote
your
conscience,
but
I'm
not
saying
I
want
to
rush
to
do
this,
or
do
this
because
I
don't
understand
or
I
wouldn't
bother
the
mean
is
that's
not
the
point
I'm
simply
looking
at
the
concept
by
which
you
gather
data
and
it's
and
it's
almost
perfect
to
one
area
of
Montgomery.
When
this
thing
says
envision.
My
girl,
20:40
comprehensive
plan.
K
I
O
M
So
so
do
I
last
thing,
I'll
mention
I
mean
if
there's
anything
just
like
what
you
said
you'd
like
for
because
I
mean
you
are
your
commissioner,
you
can
make
recommendations
on
what
you
know
should
be
changed.
I
mean
we
can
have
that
same
design,
professional
review,
citywide
I
mean.
If
that's
what
you
sold.
You
know
desire
I
mean
that's
what
I
mean.
That's
the
bottom
line.
Yeah
you
know
whatever
you
want.
We
will
try
to
mold
it
in
and
and
fit
it
to
what
you
think
it
should
be
cause.
M
I
M
I
South
east
west,
if
that's
the
case,
they
give
them
a
tool
to
work
with,
because
this
is
not
I
disagree.
We
have
our
point,
but
if
you
give
them
this
and
says
mr.
mayor
I
gotta
go
buy
this
because
of
all
the
issues
that
you
talk
about,
downtown
I
would
want
to
know
if
I
was
good
layer.
Well,
why
don't
you
explore
these
other
areas?
That
specific?
Yes,
you
did
downtown,
but
we
can
disagree.
We
just.
M
C
Mean
let
me
mention
that
in
a
similar
vein
to
what
Kim
is
saying
is
that
I
was
most
impressed
with
the
work
that
went
into
same
thing.
I
said
earlier,
with
with
what
end,
what
all
we've
got
here
in
Montgomery
and
all
the
things
that
we've
got
but
I
was
most
disappointed
in
the
recommendations
for
Montgomery
I
mean
to
me.
This
looked
like
it
was
pretty
much
a
pull
it
off.
C
The
shelf,
from
whatever
city
you
were
at
I
mean
work
with
whatever
worked
with,
who
you
know,
I
just
didn't
see
the
detail
that
evidently
y'all
have
gathered
the
detail.
I
mean
just
a
specific
issue
that
mayor
not
me,
didn't
be
dressed
in
right
now,
but
I
mean
you've
got
a
vote.
That's
coming
up
in
the
school
board.
That's
going
to
affect
the
city
of
Montgomery.
Does
the
does
this
plan
have
a
have
a
recommendation
as
to
whether
we
address
a
tax
increase
or
not,
and
if
not,
why
not?.
O
I
think
it's
one
of
those
central
challenges
and
doing
comprehensive
planning,
especially
when
it's
not
been
done
in
a
long
time.
Is
that
idea
of
level
of
focus
you
know?
Where
do
we
spend
our
limited
time
and
resources
within
the
work
when
we're
charged
with
you
know,
12
topics
and
looking
over
168
square
miles?
It's
it's.
O
They
may
not
be
the
right
ones.
They
could
change
with
time,
but
they're
also
not
designed
to
be
overly
prescriptive
or
overly
specific,
in
the
way
that
this
community
could
change
in
the
way.
Honestly,
it
has
in
the
last
three
months.
I
think,
with
a
lot
of
this
work,
what
we've
tried
to
understand
is
is
what
can
help
push
you
today
and
hopefully
what
can
help
push
you
in
10
years
and
it's
always
a
balance
between
being
very
specific
and
in
general
enough
to
allow
for
some
interpretation.
Okay,.
C
Well,
I'm
I'm
73.
Now
when
this
was
done,
last
I
was
in
high
school,
so
you
had
a
big
span
to
try
to
go
over
and
I
understand
that.
But
I'll
reiterate
what
I
said:
I
was
disappointed
in
your
objectives.
I
just
thought
they
were
too
broad
and
to
didn't
say
anything
when
it
was
all
said
and
I've
liked.
These
others
I've
been
on
this
commission
for
20
years
and
I
just
was
not
impressed
with
your
objectives.
It
looked
like
they
were.
O
O
M
I
E
I
C
Similar
what
Kibby
said
I
mean
my
I
mean
you,
you
address
that
we've
got
a
state
of
stagnant
population.
You
address
that.
You
address
how
many
people
come
to
Montgomery
that
work
outside
the
city
and
your
answer
to
that
is
work
harder
to
get
them
back
to
the
city.
That's
not
an
answer.
That's
just
that's.
Just
a
general
statement.
I
can
make
that
statement
without
having
to
go
through
whatever
you
said
well
with.
C
C
But
it's
not
that
simple
I
didn't
say
that
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
there
are
you've
obviously
addressed
these
at
other
cities
in
whatever
they
have
similar
population
issues
or
whatever
or
similar
coming
into
the
city
to
work,
and
there's
got
to
be
some
some
specific
recommendations
that
you
would
have
to
do.
That
and
I
just
didn't
see
that
I
just
didn't
see
that
well.
M
M
M
The
the
action
agenda
is
an
implementation
matrix
over
the
course
of
time.
Keep
in
mind
is
20s
20
years.
Montgomery
didn't
get
the
way
to
this
gotten.
You
know
in
a
short
amount
of
time,
and
it's
not
gonna
take
a
short.
A
short
amount
of
time
is
not
gonna
get
it
to
where
it
needs
to
be.
You
know,
because
so
many
things
have
gone
neglected
I
mean
just
much
like
the
school's
just
aren't
much
like
the
school
system.
You
brought
that
up
on
the
property
tax
vote,
I
mean
I.
M
You
know
much
like
you
know:
Montgomery
is
you
know
comprehensive
plan
from
1963
when
you
don't
do
it,
and
and
do
these
things
the
way
you're
supposed
to
do
them
prescribed
whatever
the
fixes
are,
then
I
mean
you're.
Gonna
have
stagnation,
but
just
keep
in
mind.
Stagnation
cannot
be
changed
over
overnight,
so
I
think
that
the
action
agenda
and
the
implementation
matrix
with
all
of
these
actions
are
the
actions
that
Montgomery
needs
to
move
forward
and
make
improvements
in
you
know
multiple
and
that's
the
best
that
I
can
I
can
do
well.
M
I
C
M
M
I
I
M
Sir,
so
you
vote
on
this
tonight.
The
current
recommendation
to
the
mayor
and
city
council
is
starting
that
update
I
mean
we'd
love
to
start
at
this
fiscal
year,
but
that
probably
is
not
the
money
there,
but
we
do
have
what
we
call
year.
One
needed
actions
outlined
that
that
we've
shared
with
the
mayor's
office
and
the
finance
director,
but
but
to
at
least
start
the
zoning
ordinance
and
subdivision
update
in
the
next
fiscal
year,
starting
October,
1,
okay,.
O
O
So
if
Commissioner
we're
currently
working
in
a
Tuscaloosa
Alabama,
they
went
from
their
comprehensive
planned
process
directly
into
their
development.
Their
you
to
see
rewrite
that
process
is
scheduled
out
around
I
think
between
18
and
24
months.
It's
not
a
small
undertaking.
It's
not
small!
There's,
no
there's
a
lot
of
work.
That's
involved
with
that,
especially
when
you
couple
that
with
thinking
about
the
subdivision
regulations,
thinking
about
things
like
access
management,
some
of
these
things
that
have
just
sort
of
been
you
know
pulled
into
the
code
overtime.