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From YouTube: Summit Webinar | The Future of Gaming and Sports Betting
Description
The U.S. Supreme Court in May ruled the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act (PASPA) unconstitutional, allowing states to legalize and regulate sports betting for the first time since 1992. Join us for an in-depth look at sports betting trends and laws, regulations and tax frameworks across the states, along with the implications for state finances and law enforcement.
A
Good
afternoon,
how's
everyone
doing
good,
well
I'm
Senator,
David
Carlucci
from
the
great
state
of
New
York,
and
it's
an
honor
and
a
privilege
to
be
able
to
moderate
this
panel
here
today.
A
very
timely
topic
coming
off
of
the
Supreme
Court
decision
in
May,
allowing
for
states
to
legalize
and
regulate
sports
betting.
A
So
the
National
Conference
of
State
Legislators
has
put
together
a
really
dynamic
group
of
panelists
here
today,
experts
on
the
topic-
and
we
have
with
us
California
Assemblyman,
Adam
gray,
Jeff
Morad
from
Morgan
Lewis
right
here
in
California,
Scott
Reiter
from
Mintz
Levine
in
New
York
and
Brian
Seeley,
Major,
League
Baseball
from
New
York
and
Steven
DiMasi
from
scientific
games
corporation.
So
with
that
we're
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
panelists
they're.
A
Each
gonna
have
about
ten
minutes
to
talk
about
what
they've
been
working
on
and
how
they
see
the
future
of
sports
betting
in
the
States
and
then
at
the
end,
we're
going
to
take
questions
and
try
to
take
as
many
questions
as
we
can.
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
Steven
DiMasi
from
scientific
games
corporation.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
You
senator
and
thank
you
to
NCSL
for
the
opportunity
to
just
paint
today's
panel.
Do
you
excuse
me
first
with
respect
to
the
passbook
case,
I'd
like
to
thank
ncsl
for
filing
an
amicus
brief
through
the
state
and
local
center.
I
have
two
topics
to
address
here
with
you
today,
the
first
one
being
key
questions
for
you
guys
to
consider
and
recommended
guiding
principles.
Also
so
with
respect
to
the
questions.
I
think
keep
these
three
issues
in
mind.
B
What
is
good
for
the
state
and
what's
good
for
the
consumer,
what
will
impede
illegal
sports
betting?
It's
the
appropriate
role
for
all
parties
involved,
state
versus
federal,
public
versus
private,
with
respect
to
some
of
the
guiding
principles.
The
first
one
is
is
certainly
no
more
important
once
empowering
state
regulation,
more
than
40
states
and
two
and
sixty
jurisdictions
have
been
effective
gaming
regulators.
Today,
sports
betting
can
be
governed
by
these
by
these
existing
regulators.
B
Three
of
these
existing
entities
you
can
establish
licensing
and
testing
standards
along
with
consumer
protections,
consider
a
broad
scope
of
gaming
operators
that
can
offer
sports
betting.
It
could
be
tribal
or
commercial.
Casinos
racetracks
lotteries
blow
TVs
allow
for
betting
on
any
sport,
including
professional
collegiate
sports,
all
forms
of
betting
types,
whether
it's
pre
game
or
live,
or
what
we
call
in
play.
B
Wagering
you
may
want
to
consider
a
land-based
retail
network,
in
addition
to
reduce
digital
distribution,
network
mobile,
have
visibly
licensing
fees
for
operators,
technology,
suppliers
and
private
in
scuse
me
and
providers
of
services,
along
with
a
competitive
tax
rate
of,
say,
10
to
16
10.
Excuse
me,
6
to
10%
for
quicker
implementation,
consider
independent
testing
labs
to
test
and
approve
software
and
consider
our
reciprocity
with
other
states.
B
B
High
integrity
fees
and
unreasonable
tax
rates
will
drive
consumers
to
illegal
to
the
illegal
market
with
no
consumer
protections,
because
legal
operators
will
be
able
to
offer
competitive
audits,
integrity
fees,
siphon
revenue
from
the
state
they
would
otherwise
fund.
Public
Safety
and
responsible
gave
me
programs
for
consumers,
consumers
more
conveniences,
such
as
intrastate
mobile
wagering,
and
which
will
unlock
the
full
potential
of
the
US
market
and
allow
for
employee
betting.
A
growing
and
popular
product
third
recommends
strengthening
game
integrity.
We
all
share
an
interest
in
integrity.
B
C
B
Aid
or
not
to
over
20%
of
total
revenue,
my
neighbor,
he
would
skim
off
the
top
decreases.
The
total
amount
of
money
taxable
by
the
government
money
that
goes
directly
to
release
distorts
the
odds
the
legal
bookmakers
are
able
to
provide.
It
would
encourage
Americans
to
continue
to
book
with
illegal
bookmakers,
with
Tomales
of
Nevada
or
of
Europe
such
as
the
European
sport
security
Association.
The
SSA
industry
supports
a
matter
where
es
ése
works.
B
The
league's
operators
law
enforcement
regulators,
which
can
share
information
through
any
use
in
to
empower
the
regulator's
and
law
enforcement
to
utilize,
actual
intelligence
and
technologies
to
strengthen
integrity.
Today,
this
state
is
mended
an
integrity
fee.
In
addition,
from
my
understanding
the
NFL
and
see
that
Blaine
NH
I'm
not
seeking
the
integrity
fee,
lbs
encourage
contracts
over
statutes.
The
league's
more
governments
to
require
industry
to
buy
their
data,
the
many
data
integrity
fee
could
be
to
a
monopoly
of
extremely
high
pricing
costs.
B
B
Much
of
this
information
is
public.
The
federal
courts
have
already
ruled
the
splitting
of
n
statistics
are
not
subject
to
copyright.
You
can
and
cannot
be
exclusively
owned
by
an
event
organiser
today,
you
know
stay
as
mende
to
the
industry
by
its
data
from
the
league's
and,
lastly,
think
it's
important
to
promote
advertising
standards
and
responsible
gaming
practices
for
this.
This
new
per
channel,
which
will
certainly
include
a
different
demographic
of
player.
B
So
in
conclusion,
the
industry
stands
ready
to
as
a
partner
in
the
resource
to
the
states.
We
think
this
is
about
sovereignty.
States
are
mobilizing,
so
March,
that's
okay.
It
could
take
some
years
for
all
the
other
states
if
they
choose
to
to
implement
sports
betting,
but
it's
important
to
let
them
proceed
in
a
way
that
makes
sense
for
them,
and
the
federal
government
dictates
state
policy
or
business
terms
and,
lastly,
as
a
reminder,
look
two
models
at
work
already
like
Nevada
or
the
UK
or
other
states
that
have
recently
legalized,
like
New
Jersey.
D
And
my
name
is
Scott
radar
from
the
law
firm
of
Mintz
Levin.
We
have
offices
on
both
coasts
and
while
we
counsel,
individuals
and
businesses
were
involved
in
all
parts
of
the
gambling
ecosystem
and
we
litigate
cases
involving
gambling
related
issues
and
a
big
frustration
that
we've
seen
with
our
clients
has
been
how
nebulous
the
gambling
regime
has
been
and
how
nebulous
gambling
laws
have
been
and
as
States
push
to
legalize
and
adapt
laws
enabling
gambling
to
proceed.
D
D
The
wire
act
is,
then,
the
tool
that
federal
law
enforcement
agencies
have
used
most
frequently,
let's
say
to
prosecute
gambling
related
crimes
and
what
the
wire
act
does
is
that
it
says
if
you're
in
the
business
of
betting
or
wagering,
and
you
use
Interstate
or
fire
for
foreign
wires
to
transfer
bets
or
information
assisting
in
the
placement
of
bets.
And
you
could
be,
you
know,
you're,
in
violation
of
the
wire
act,
there's
a
safe
harbor
for
States.
D
D
Although
some
courts
have
said,
this
only
applies
to
bookmakers,
there's
many
people
who
are
in
the
business
of
betting
or
wagering,
and
many
were
people
who
will
be
in
the
business
of
betting
or
wagering
and
to
the
extent
that
states
are
looking
to
Federal
gambling
laws
as
some
type
of
model
for
how
to
proceed.
I
think
it's
important
to
have
an
understanding
of
who
the
the
regime
is
going
to
apply
to,
and
the
second
issue
that
states
could
have.
D
You
know
which,
in
a
mobile
way,
they
could
do
in
play
gaming
in
a
way
that
doesn't
subject
them
to
not
only
state
prosecution
but
also
potential
federal
prosecution,
and,
if
that's
done,
that
I
think
people
will
be
more
and
more
likely.
You
know
to
do
this
conversion
that
states
are
hoping
to
get
I
said.
To
take
the
example,
let's
say
two
states
both
legalized
gambling,
and
they
want
people
to
be
able
to
sit
on
their
couch
in
bed
in
either
their
state
or
bet
in
their
neighboring
state.
D
Well,
a
professional
better,
let's
say,
are
a
gambling
operator.
If
bets
are
being
placed
back
and
forth
between
those
two
states,
they
might
still
have
issues
with
the
federal
gambling
laws,
even
if
they're,
in
compliance
with
the
state
laws
I.
So
I
just
think
that
state,
you
know,
legislators
and
people
involved
within
the
states
need
to
be
thinking
about
the
federal
overlay
to
think
about
how
whatever
they're
doing
is
going
to
intersect
same
thing,
with
data
providers
with
payment
processors.
D
There's
a
lot
of
folks
who
use
wire
transfers
who
are
in
the
gambling
ecosystem
and
the
fact
that
there
still
are
these
federal
gambling
regulations.
I
think
is
an
important
thing
to
keep
in
mind
and
States
need
to
design
a
way.
That's
going
to
ultimately
help
individuals
and
businesses
who
are
trying
to
develop
in
the
new
business
model
to
be.
You
know
as
lawful
as
possible
within
the
state
and
the
federal
federal
framework,
so
I
think
we'll
try
to
keep
our
presentations
brief.
So
we
have
more
time
for
questions
great
thanks.
God.
D
C
Currently
I
have
a
constitutional
amendment
in
the
legislature
to
authorize
sports
wagering
in
California.
Given
the
recent
Supreme
Court
decision
on
passed,
my
little
history
on
gain
in
California,
we've
got
obviously
the
largest
market
in
the
country,
but
we
also
have
one
of
the
most
diverse
gaming
markets
in
the
country.
We
have
a
significant
tribal
government
casino
market.
We
have
a
significant
dozens
of
tribal
casinos
access
throughout
the
state,
nearly
a
hundred
card
clubs
and
poker
rooms.
C
We
have
a
robust
horse
racing
industry,
some
of
the
premier
horse
racing
in
the
country
and
of
course
we
have
a
state
lottery.
So
Gaming
policy
is
not
simple
in
California,
and
certainly
it
is
an
effort
undertaken
largely
by
the
voters.
In
1933
horse
racing
was
authorized
by
the
voters
in
California
bee
initiative.
In
1984
we
had
a
state
lottery,
then
in
the
late
90s
or
the
2000s,
we
had
tribal
gaming
and
currently
those
are
negotiated
via
compact
by
the
governor.
C
This
is
the
reason
we
have
a
constitutional
member
force
in
California
because
there's
this
established
history
of
letting
the
voters
decide.
If
we
have
sports
wage
in
California,
it
will
be
decided
on
the
ballot
most
likely
well
at
the
nearest
opportunity.
In
2020
we
passed
that
opportunity
here
in
2018,
given
the
timing
of
the
decision
and
the
work
that's
going
to
have
to
go
into
balancing
and
working
with
all
of
our
different
current
operators
in
the
state.
C
Some
of
the
factors
we're
looking
at
that
are
gonna
certainly
influence
things.
Tax
rates,
obviously,
and
we've
looked
at
what
some
of
the
other
states
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
great
benefits
we're
gonna
have
being
the
largest
market.
Some
of
the
other
states
are
moving
ahead
of
us
in
establishing
gaming.
They
have
less
entities
and
less
industry
that
they're
working
with
in
those
states
and
we're
going
to
watch
and
see
how
successful
and
what
the
appropriate
tax
rate
numbers
look.
Like.
Certainly,
you
know
who's
providing
media
data.
C
What
relationships
exist
with
the
league's
and
then,
of
course,
the
issue
of
online
betting,
I
think
is
going
to
be
a
major
issue
from
a
consumer
perspective,
I
think,
there's,
probably
or
arguably
great
demand
for
an
online
product.
We've
had
reservations
in
California
about
engaging
in
online
gaming.
The
only
current
online
gaming
that
we
offer
is
in
fact
horse-racing
over
networks.
C
We've
got
exclusivity
given
to
our
tribal
governments
and
the
casinos
that
they
operate.
We
have
expressly
prohibited
both
at
our
state
lottery
initiative
and
then
later
the
operation
of
Nevada
style
casinos
in
California.
This
is
another
issue
that
further
complicates
sports,
wagering,
California
and
another
reason.
If
we
move
forward
with
it,
the
voters
would
certainly
have
to
be
part
of
that
discussion.
C
I
look
forward
to
engaging
with
our
colleagues
from
around
the
country,
and
certainly
we
plan
to
take
our
committee
members
and
visit
several
of
the
states
throughout
the
country
who
are
pursuing
and
have
pursued
or
signed
into
law
sports
wagering
legislation
get
educated
on
the
issue
and
certainly
hopefully,
learn
from
the
lessons
of
the
other
states
as
we
move
towards
that
potential.
November
20
20,
to
put
something
before
the
voters
in
California
and
ultimately
have
a
sports
wagering
market
in
California
and
I'll.
Look
forward
to
the
questions
and
comments
and
to
the
next
speaker,
Thank.
E
So
when
I
was
asked
to
come
today,
it
wasn't
to
add
another
lawyer
necessarily
to
the
panel,
but
at
least
it
was
explained
that
that
my
sports
industry
experience
was
something
that
might
be
helpful
and
interesting
to
discuss.
And
you
know
the
gaming
side
of
the
business
is
actually
one
that
has
played
a
prominent
role
in
my
own
history
in
the
sports
business,
when
I
first
went
to
Arizona
in
2004
to
run
the
Diamondbacks
I'll.
E
E
It
was
a
common
place
and
certainly
the
Padres
for
any
of
you
who
live
in
San,
Diego
know
the
that
they
enjoy
a
number
of
relationships
with
local
Native,
American
communities
and
and
it's
a
significant
part
of
the
revenue
picture
frankly,
of
teams
today,
so
that
you
know
how
this
new
frontier
will.
Impact
teams
certainly
is
yet
to
be
seen.
E
I
probably
am
a
bit
more
conservative
than
Mark
Cuban,
who
announced
that
you
know
on
the
eve
of
the
excuse
me
on
the
as
following
up
the
Supreme
Court
ruling
that
that
every
owner,
in
the
top
four
sports
leagues
in
the
US
just
doubled
their
franchise
value
as
a
result
of
the
Supreme
Court
decision.
I.
Don't
think
that
I'd
be
quite
that
bullish,
but
I
would
certainly
suggest
that
that
the
legalization
of
what's
been
certainly
commonplace
underground
for
many
many
years
and
for
certainly
all
of
our
lives
is
a
is
a
good
thing.
E
It's
a
good
thing
for
I
think
the
sports
industry.
Ultimately,
the
derivative
benefits
flow
to
the
individual
franchise
owners
in
sports
in
the
different
leagues,
and
it's
a
good
thing
for
the
states.
Not
only
does
it
create
revenue
opportunity
as
a
franchise
owner,
or
at
least
a
former
one
I
would
hope
for
the
most
organized.
D
E
C
E
C
E
F
My
name
is
Brian
Seeley
and
I'm,
a
senior
vice
president
and
deputy
general
counsel
at
major
league
baseball.
My
job
really
focuses
on
protecting
baseball
from
threats
to
the
integrity
of
the
game,
whether
that
come
from
cheating
through
use
of
performance-enhancing
drugs,
whether
that
come
from
off
the
field,
misconduct
or
whether
it
comes
from
sports
betting
for
joining
Major
League
Baseball
I
was
a
prosecutor
in
Washington
DC
for
eight
years.
I
came
to
MLB
four
years
ago.
F
We've
talked
quite
a
bit
already
in
the
panel
about
the
monetary
aspects
of
sports
betting
and
those
aspects
have
really
dominated
the
conversations
about
sports
betting
in
the
past
year.
I
think,
when
a
lot
of
people
talk
about
sports
betting,
they
see
dollar
signs
and
I'm
gonna
talk
about
some
of
the
monetary
aspects
of
sports
betting
today,
but
before
I
do
that
I
want
to
talk
about
something
that
I
think
has
gotten
a
little
lost
in
the
conversation
around
sports
betting
in
the
last
year,
and
that
is
sports.
F
If
you
grew
up
in
this
city
and
you're,
a
sports
fan
I,
don't
have
to
explain
to
you
this
photograph,
you
recognize
it
it's
an
iconic
moment
where
Kirk
Gibson
hit
a
home
run
in
the
1998.
Excuse
me
1988
World
Series
in
Game,
one
to
win
the
game
yeah,
exactly
not
iconic,
if
you're
a
fan,
but
the
reason
its
iconic
is
really
that
it
represents
values
that
we
hold
dear
playing
through
pain,
overcoming
adversity
grace
under
pressure.
F
That's
what
made
this
moment
iconic
if
you
were
a
Cubs
fan
in
Illinois
or
Iowa
or
anywhere
else
in
this
country.
I,
don't
need
to
tell
you
what
this
photograph
is.
Cubs
fans
waited
a
hundred
eight
years
to
win
that
World
Series
in
2016,
and
it's
something
they'll
never
forget,
and
even
two
weeks
ago
DC
had
an
iconic
moment
when
Bryce
Harper
won
the
home,
run
derby
in
his
home
stadium,
coming
back
from
a
huge
lead
and
winning
it
and
making
that
stadium
as
loud
as
I
had
ever
seen
it
before.
F
The
fact
is
that
sports
brings
the
people
in
your
cities
and
states
together.
It
becomes
part
of
their
shared
history
and
it
becomes
part
of
the
identity
of
the
places
that
you
all
come
from,
but
sports
is
not
just
and
baseball
is
not
just
a
part
of
our
culture.
It's
also
an
important
part
of
the
economy.
We
are
a
major
source
of
employment
in
every
state
in
which
we
operate.
F
Our
teams
at
the
major
and
minor
league
level
pay
millions
of
dollars
in
state
and
local
taxes
and
we're
an
economic
engine
for
hundreds
of
small
and
not
so
small
businesses.
If
you
ever
walk
around
the
South
Bronx
before
a
Yankees
game,
you'll
see
the
economic
impact
that
that
club
has
on
that
area
and
it's
the
same
in
San,
Diego,
Chicago,
Boston
and
many
other
cities.
F
A
report
released
this
week
estimated
that
the
economic
impact
for
the
state
of
Florida
for
spring
training,
just
this
year,
was
over
680
million
dollars
and
it's
not
just
gameday
activities.
Our
uniforms
are
manufactured
in
a
factory
in
Pennsylvania
New
Era,
based
in
Buffalo
New
York
is
the
provider
of
our
baseball
caps,
we're
an
engine
for
the
economy,
and
it's
not
just
the
economy
we
give
back
to
the
community.
Those
of
you
who
saw
our
all-star
game
would
not
be
able
to
forget
this
moment
from
prior
to
the
all-star
game.
F
We
honored
29
Medal
of
Honor
recipients
and
a
really
moving
ceremony
in
the
last
10
years.
We've
given
over
40
million
dollars
to
stand
up
to
cancer
for
cancer
research
in
our
clubs,
our
players,
our
mascots,
make
countless
appearances
at
youth
events
all
over
the
country.
We
have
a
long
relationship
with
the
Boys
and
Girls
Clubs.
We
have
eight
youth
academies
that
benefit
disadvantaged
children
throughout
this
country.
F
So
what
am
I
sitting
up
here
and
telling
you
how
great
baseball
is
I'm
telling
you
how
great
baseball
is
or
how
great
I
think
it
is
because
I
really
want
you
I
need
you
to
understand
what's
at
stake
in
this
today,
and
that
there
are
two
sides
to
this
today
and
that
sports
betting
can
be
good
for
baseball.
It
could
be
good
for
your
states.
It
can
be
good
for
bookmakers
or
it
can
be
really
bad
for
everyone,
and
sports
betting
puts
all
of
what
I
just
talked
about
at
risk.
F
The
reason
the
Commissioner's
Office
exists.
My
current
employer
is
because
of
a
betting
scandal,
the
1919
Black
Sox.
In
more
recent
times,
we've
had
other
scandals,
including
the
Pete
Rose
scandal,
which
continues
to
get
brought
up
every
year
around
this
time
of
year,
when
the
Hall
of
Fame
induction
ceremony
takes
place
which
took
place
last
weekend.
F
We
understand,
though,
that
legal
sports
betting
I'm,
not
here
today,
to
tell
you
stop
sports
bettor.
We
understand
it's
available
already
in
three
states.
Delaware
in
New
Jersey
started
offering
it
in
the
last
few
months
addition
and
ibadah
bills,
weren't
playing
in
2018
and
18
states.
We
expect
that
to
double
next
year
and
so
long
as
sports
betting
is
done
right.
It's
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing
for
us
in
play.
F
Betting
is
going
to
give
our
fans
a
new
way
to
engage
with
our
games,
there's
a
potential
for
increased
viewership
and
sponsorships
as
Jeff
just
mentioned,
and
hopefully,
if
it's
done
right,
it's
going
to
bring
transparency
to
what's
currently
a
black
market,
but
we
need
your
help
to
protect
our
national
pastime.
We
want
to
be
viewed
as
partners,
not
adversaries
in
this
process.
We
are
a
major
stakeholder
in
this
process.
There
is
no
sports
betting
without
sports,
and
so,
as.
F
Have
developed
a
five-point
plan
for
sports
betting
legislation?
It's
something
I've
been
talking
about
in
a
number
of
the
states
that
you
all
are
in
for
the
past
six
months
and
to
do
this,
we
looked
to
Europe
and
Australia
for
precedent
and
we're
trying
to
strike
a
balance
between
eliminating
the
black
market,
generating
tax
revenue
for
your
states,
protecting
the
integrity
of
our
game
and
aligning
the
incentives
of
the
stakeholders,
and
there
were
bills
introduced
in
a
number
of
states,
including
New
York,
Connecticut,
Illinois,
Kansas
Missouri
in
Indiana.
F
That
hit
most
of
our
key
points,
and
so
I
want
to
go
through
those
points,
and
the
first
point
that
I
think
is
important.
That
we
think
should
be
in
legislation
is
an
opt-out
right
where
we
have
some
input
into
what
kinds
of
debts
bookmakers
can
offer
we're,
not
looking
to
restrict
betting
on
the
outcome
of
our
major
league
baseball
games,
but
we
have
real
integrity
risks
for
our
minor
league
games.
F
F
We
don't
want
casinos
to
create
one,
and
so
we
want
to
have
a
voice
in
that
conversation
and
talk
to
you
all
talk
to
the
regulators
about
what
is
fair
to
offer
bets
on
what
is
not
point
number
two
is
the
integrity
provisions
and,
frankly,
these
are
the
ones
that
are
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
as
the
person
focused
on
protecting
the
integrity
of
baseball
and
I
want
to
address
a
point
that
was
made
earlier
about
well.
The
existing
state
regulators
can
handle
this
in
New
Jersey,
which
is
currently
offering
sports
betting.
F
They
are
accepting
bets
on
all
of
our
baseball
games.
How
many
of
those
games
are
being
played
in
New
Jersey?
How
many
of
those
games
does
the
New
Jersey
regulator
have
authority
over
I'll?
Tell
you
the
answer
that
question
it's
zero,
because
every
single
one
of
our
games
takes
place
outside
of
the
state,
and
so
people
who,
in
the
gaming
industry
who
say
sports
betting
is
just
like
any
other
games
will
regulate
it.
Just
like
that.
This
isn't
a
blackjack
table
in
your
casino
in
your
state.
This
is
not
a
craps
table.
F
This
is
not
a
slot
machine.
This
involves
people.
You
are
betting
on
the
actions
of
people
in
different
states,
and
that
requires
a
really
robust
regulatory
structure
that
exists
in
some
European
countries,
but
does
not
exist
in
Nevada.
Nevada
regulates
sports
plating
like
it
regulates
craps.
That
makes
no
sense
in
2018
and
that's
not
what
your
state
should
do.
Operators
should
be
required
to
share
data
anonymize
data,
so
that
can
be
aggregated
with
casinos
in
your
states
and
in
other
states,
so
that
we
can
spot
suspicious
betting
activity
and
eliminate
integrity
problems
before
they
occur.
F
We
should
be
prohibiting
insiders
from
betting
on
baseball
at
the
state
level,
and
we
should
require
casinos
to
let
the
league's
know
if
they
know
of
an
integrity
problem.
If
they
have
information
about
game
fixing,
they
should
be
required
to,
let
us
know,
and
they
should
be
the
they
should
be
required
to
cooperate
with
our
investigations,
because,
in
the
absence
the
New
Jersey
regulators
ability
to
go
to
New,
York
or
Seattle
or
Florida,
or
any
of
the
other
places
that
we're
talking
about
to
interview
our
players
or
to
look
into
suspicious
betting.
There.
F
F
We
think
that
there
should
be
one
source
of
truth
for
sports
betting,
and
so
consumers
and
states
shouldn't
have
to
have
their
bets
settled
by
unofficial
data
operators
who
are
either
scraping
data
illegally
from
websites
or
even
worse,
potentially,
are
actually
entering
into
our
stadiums
and
serve
dish.
Ously
starting
data
businesses
and
sending
data,
which
is
what
goes
on
in
Europe
and
some
other
places.
F
A
F
F
Believe
eliminate
the
legal
market.
We
do
think
there
needs
to
be
a
legal
mobile
option
for
sports
betting
and,
finally,
the
royalty
fee.
Now
this
is
the
point
that
has
garnered
the
most
attention
by
far
in
the
debate
on
sports
betting
over
the
past
six
months
and
I
understand
why?
So,
let
me
dispel
some
myths
about
it
and
tell
you
exactly
what
we're
asking
for
why
we
think
it's
important
so
we're
asking
for
a
point:
two:
five
percent
of
the
amount
wagered
on
major
league,
baseball
games
or
events.
F
F
To
take
away
from
state
tax
revenue,
we're
not
looking
to
take
away
money
from
classrooms,
that's
a
great
casino
talking
point,
but
the
fact
is,
you
should
put
a
tax
rate,
however
high
you
want
on
sports
betting
in
your
state.
That's
up
to
you
what
you
want
to
generate
the
revenue
from
you
should
do,
but
we
think
the
operator
should
have
to
pay
us
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
amount
of
money
they're
making
on
our
games
and
assuming
a
holder
rate
of
six
and
a
half
percent,
which
I
think
is
low.
F
The
casinos
are
gonna,
tell
you
it's
five
percent,
but
we've
actually
seen
hold
rates
much
higher
than
that
already
in
New,
Jersey
and
Delaware.
That
amounts.
What
we're
asking
for
less
than
four
percent
of
the
billions
of
dollars
of
revenue
states
are
going
to
be
opening
up
for
casinos
to
make
on
major
league
baseball
games.
F
It's
always
dicey
to
put
up
numbers
that
are
clearly
estimates.
Nobody
knows
what
this
I
think
market
is
going
to
look
like,
but
based
on
the
American
Gaming
Association
study
from
last
year,
they
estimated
sports
betting
revenue
in
a
mature
market.
This
is
in
the
millions.
This
is
assuming
again
a
hold
rate
of
six
and
a
percent
and
a
statement
tax
rate
of
12%,
which
is
the
tax
rate
in
Mississippi.
Some
states
are
higher
New
Jersey's
13%
on
mobile
betting
Pennsylvania's
than
the
30
percent
range.
F
Some
states
are
lower,
but
assuming
around
12%,
you
can
see
the
amount
of
money
that's
going
to
be
made
annually
by
the
operators.
15
billion
dollars,
Steve
state
revenue,
tax
revenue,
around
2
billion
dollars
and
you'll
see
that
the
share
that
we're
asking
for
Major
League
Baseball
on
the
other
leagues
is
a
very
small
fraction.
The
idea
that
this
is
not
affordable
to
the
operators
is
a
myth.
So
why
should
we
get
the
theme?
F
Well,
we're
gonna
have
increased
costs
in
a
world
of
increased
sports
betting,
and
this
will
be
in
a
world
of
increased
sports
betting.
Not
only
will
it
be
a
world
of
increased
sports
betting,
but
the
exposure
of
our
athletes,
our
umpires,
our
official
scores,
our
clubhouse
attendants
to
sports
betting
is
going
to
increase
significantly
and
with
increased
exposure,
comes
increased
risk
to
us,
and
so,
while
the
casinos
bear
the
profit
of
unlocking
sports
betting,
we
bear
the
risk
and
it's
also
a
recognition.
F
This
feed
that
there
is
no
sports
betting
without
sports,
that
we
are
the
primary
input
into
betting
on
major
league
baseball
games.
Now
the
fee
pays
for
itself
if
we're
able
to
drive
up,
handle
a
little
less
than
5
percent,
and
what
do
I
mean
by
that?
Why
is
the
fee
good
for
States?
Well,
look.
We
have
baseball,
have
an
interest
in
driving
wagering
two
states
that
have
robust
integrity,
protections
that
require
official
data
and
that
give
us
allow
us
to
get
a
small
percentage
from
operators
of
the
wagering
on
our
games.
F
And
so
that's
what
we
will
do.
We
don't
want
to
drive
money
to
markets
like
New
Jersey
that
are
as
untransparent
to
us
as
the
Bovada
market
is
as
the
International
offshore
market
is,
and
we
have
the
incentive
and
the
ability
to
drive
handle
for
betting
on
our
games.
The
states
that
have
strong
protections
and
this
kind
of
legal
framework
we're
also
going
to
look
to
for
other
ways
to
help
boost
the
local
economy,
and
we
really
want
to
be
a
partner
with
the
states
in
this
endeavor.
F
So
I'll
end
with
a
last
piece
of
news
of
something
that
broke
today,
which
is
at
the
MGM
casino
and
our
MGM
Resorts
and
the
NBA
reached
a
deal
that
was
announced
today.
A
partnership
deal
and
I,
don't
know
the
parameters
of
the
deal.
I
work
for
baseball,
not
the
NBA,
but
my
understanding
is
that
it
includes
you
know
a
number
of
the
provisions
number.
The
idea
is
that
we're
looking
for
and
legislatively,
and
so
it
begs
the
question
I
would
think.
Why
do
you
need
legislation
if
you
can
reach
commercial
agreements
with
casinos?
F
I'll
tell
you
right
now:
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
reach
commercial
agreements
with
all
the
bookmakers
and
states
should
want
to
have
strong
integrity,
protections
and
drive
handle
to
their
states
and
the
way
to
ensure
that
is
to
have
minimum
standards
in
the
law
and
that's
what
we're
asking
for
minimum
standards
in
the
law.
I
think
commercial
agreements
an
important
way
to
protect
the
league's
interests,
but
they're
not
going
to
go
all
the
way
and
protecting
believes
in
states
interests
and
that's
why
we
think
legislation
is
really
important.
A
G
Try
to
get
as
many
as
we
can
please:
okay,
thank
you!
I'm
Senator,
Bill
Coley
from
Ohio
I
chair,
the
committee
that
handles
these
issues
in
Ohio
and
I'm,
also
blessed
to
be
the
president
of
the
National
Council
of
legislators
from
gaming
States.
So
we've
addressed
a
number
of
these
issues
and,
and
while
we
may
disagree
on
the
payment
of
integrity,
fear
whatever
Major
League
Baseball
wants
to
call
the
fee
to
the
league's
I
do
agree
with
with
the
point
that
the
league
should
not
bear
the
expense
of
maintaining
and
they're.
G
In
your
points
of
the
need
for
legislation
are
many
inaccurate
and
and
I
agree
with
many
of
those,
but
whatever
your
state
wants
to
do.
I
think
the
need
to
to
legislate
is
going
to
become
important,
whether
you
want
to
try
to
create
a
rule
of
ban
on
sports
betting
and
enforce
that.
That's
one
thing
or
if
you
want
a
legal,
if
you
want
to
fight
illegal
betting
by
you,
know
legalizing
and
creating
that
you
guys
have
talked
about
you
guys
have
talked
about.
G
You
know
tax
rates
and
things
like
that
very
important
77,
zero
percent
of
all
wagers
in
soccer
are
in
play
bets
not
not
just
the
outcome
of
the
game
but
who's
going
to
support
the
next
goal.
Is
there
going
to
be
a
yellow
card,
whatever
going
on
I?
Think
I
think
most
people
anticipate
that
in
professional
or
in
sports
betting
in
the
States,
as
we
legalize
it
here.
G
And
then
you
make
the
decisions
in
your
state
whether
who
you're
going
to
allow
to
offer
books
in
the
state
whether
you
know
we
talked
about
you
know
two
distinct
products,
the
traditional
sports
book
and
a
lot
of
the
kind
of
entertainment
sports.
But,
but
but
using
technology
today,
stuff
that
didn't
exist,
they
can't
you
know
we
thought
that
chill
women
Harris
in
Nevada
she
can't
go
in.
G
You
know
retro,
actively
and
mandate
that
all
the
spec
sports
got
to
go
through
a
portal
to
monitor
everything,
but
as
we
each
state
enacts
this
around
the
country.
What
do
you,
what
do
the
panelists
think
about
monitoring
each
one
and
making
sure
that
we
have
a
good
grasp
on
what's
going
on
and
making
sure
that
we're
fighting
all
the
bad
things
that
could
happen
and
our
currently
offering
aren't
in
the
illegal
sports
market?
B
That's
going
to
come
to
fruition,
in
fact
that
the
little
sports
betting
market
will
help
you
know
determine
if
there
is
legal,
any
illegal
activity
game
fixing
going
on
it
will
bring
out
anything
to
light
and
I'll
be
visible
and
out
of
the
black
market,
so
I
think
we'll
get
there
and
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
conversations
going
on
and
look
at
Nichol,
G's
and
through
other
associations,
etc.
That
are
looking
to
address
this.
B
C
C
C
Okay,
today
at
least
estimated
and
there's
tons
of
illegal
activity
associated
with
that
kind
of
black
market
activity.
We
do
have
some
examples
in
multiple
states
of
regulatory
structures
that
work
pretty
well
when
it
comes
to
gaming
activities,
but
I
think
we
have
to
first
and
foremost,
keep
kind
of
Public
Safety
at
the
forefront
of
the
discussion
on
sports,
wagering
and
I.
Think
the
second
point
is
consumer
protections.
I
mean
there's
significant
gambling
addiction
issues
out
there.
E
E
You
know
the
sports
industry
itself,
the
ability
to
from
a
team
standpoint
or
League
standpoint
the
ability
to
monetize
some
of
that
activity
for
the
first
time
other
than
having
sold
sponsorship
deal
or
done
sponsor
deals
with
with
casinos
in
the
past
to
be
able
to
monetize.
This
industry
is
a
huge
upside
and
I
assume
that
most
of
you
in
the
room,
who
are
either
elected
officials
or
work
for
for
them.
You
know
see
it
similarly
is
an
opportunity
to
monetize.
F
Yeah,
just
on
the
question
of
the
portal
I
do
think
there
needs
to
be
aggregated
of
betting
data,
not
just
at
the
state
level
but
at
the
national
level,
and
so
what
we're
inclined
to
do
that
we,
the
motivation
to
do
it,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be
us.
There
are
federal
regulator.
You
know
it
could
be
the
federal
government,
but
I
do
think
you
make
the
point
about
is
not
doing
it,
and-
and
this
is
my
point
about
how
Nevada
regulation
is
not
the
model
for
this-
you
all
don't
have
to
follow.
Nevada.
F
H
Think
so
twofold
we
hold
up
or
vote
on
gaming
in
the
state
assembly
for
other
reasons,
but
the
two
questions
I
have
one,
as,
as
the
associations
lobbied
us
particularly
to
play
in
associations.
Their
issue
was
at
that
time
it's
going
to
take
revenue
from
players
now,
just
recently,
I
read
an
article
now
that
the
players
associations
are
scared
because
of
all
the
added
exposure
through
social
media
that
players
their
livelihood
itself,
their
their
safety,
their
reputations
will
be
exposed
in
light
of
us
legalizing
gaming.
H
How
do
we
or
how
would
you
suggest
we
are
states
that
have
so
many
universities
that
participated
in
two
plastic
athletics
deal
with
that
particular
issue
going
forward
because
I
believe
that's
where
we're
gonna
have
a
significant
problem
and
if
the
NCAA
is
not
going
to
be
involved,
how
do
you
guys,
as
professional
sports,
we'll
deal
with
that?
No
mr.
Seeley
talked
about
minor
league
baseball,
but
these
are
athletes,
or
these
are
sports.
That
are
suffering
apart
from
many
of
the
professional
sports
that
we're
talking
about.
B
I'll
send
with
respect
to
the
Players
Union.
Absolutely
there
are
key
actor
in
this
debate.
As
a
member
of
the
American
Gaming
Association
and
being
involved
in
sports
betting
task
force
for
a
number
of
years.
I
know:
Sarah
Sloane,
as
who
works
at
the
AJ,
has
been
engaging
with
the
Players
Union,
so
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
dialogue
going
on
with
all
the
actors
that
are
impacted
by
this
so
and
then,
with
respect
to
NC.
Double-A
I
know
that
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot.
There's
been
some
engagement
with
them.
B
Okay,
I
just
approached
stories
that
there
has
been
some
engagement
out
there,
but
it's
kind
of
defaulting.
You
know
down
to
that.
More
that's
tale
of
well,
maybe
not
never
stay
with
every
legislature,
but
I.
Think,
though
you
know
having
a
legal
market
having
it
regulated
and
taxed.
You
know
it's
happening
already
right,
there's
a
lot
of
sports,
where
you're
having
obviously
an
NC
double-a
football
in
vascular,
March,
Madness,
etc.
So
they
able
to
legalize
it
and
have
that
scrutiny
integrity.
B
You
know
on
that
model
and
bring
people
from
the
black
market
into
the
legal
market.
This
can
be
more
transparency,
embedding
be
able
to
identify.
There
is
game
fixing
by
this
accurate
wood
scheme,
where
the
sharing
of
data
and
information
at
the
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
people
can
identify
the
fact
that
why
is
all
this
betting
on
the
sudden
going
on
the
underdog
or
whatever
it
may
be
so
I
think
the
process
of
legalizing
will
certainly
help
bring
more
transparency
and
and
enforcement
to
up
to
the
game.
E
B
E
You
know
I
spent
20
years
before
moving
into
ownership
on
the
player
side
of
the
business.
My
partner
at
least
I
am
Berger
and
I
had
the
largest
football
practice
in
the
country
for
18
years
that
we
were
together
and
I
actually
had
the
second-largest
baseball
practice
in
the
country
for
about
15
years,
so
I
certainly
am
sensitive
and
an
experienced
on
the
sensitive
to
the
players
concerns
and
an
experienced
on
that
side
of
the
aisle
as
well.
I
I
would
say
that
you
look.
The
players.
E
Associations
are
in
essence,
partnered
with
the
lease
in
each
of
the
sports
and
the
truth
is
they
have
every
right
to
be
concerned
about
the
integrity
aspect
of
this
issue
and
should
be
and
and
I
would
assume
that
you
know
all
of
you
will
listen
to
those
concerns
because
they're,
critical
and
they're
the
ones
that
as
we
say
they
were,
you
know
the
team
owners
will
theoretically
derive
benefit
from
some
of
the
monetization
issues.
But
the
fact
is,
the
players
are
gonna
have
to
live
with
it
and
live
with.
E
You
know
worst
case
finger-pointing,
questions
issues.
You
mentioned
social
media.
Certainly
that
makes
everyone
accessible
these
days,
so
I
understand
that
that's
a
legitimate
concern
I
would
just
advise
or
or
suggest
to
all
of
you
that
you
know
you
keep
your
ear
to
the
ground
on
the
PA
side
as
well.
I,
don't
think
they're
gonna
be
as
focused
on
on.
F
F
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
panel
for
being
here
my
question
to
be
to
mr.
Seeley
Major
League
Baseball
has
been
opposed
to
two
bills
in
Canada
one.
The
nice
applause
would
recently
actively
lobbying
against
it
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
your
change
of
position
over
here
apply
to
Canada
now
as
well.
That's
important
because
I
think
that
the
consistency
is
going
to
be
very
important
and
second
to
that.
I
What
can
we
do
to
follow
through
on
that,
because
things
have
really
changed
since
this
has
been
a
15
year
struggle
joka
Martin
had
the
first
bill
that
was
defeated
in
the
Senate
Major
League
Baseball,
presented
in
the
Senate
to
kill
that
bill
and
then
most
recently,
two
years
ago,
was
opposed
to
my
legislation,
which
is
elimination
of
one
line
or
the
Criminal
Code,
to
do
the
things
that
are
necessary
to
bring
in
regulatory
practices
similar
to
Europe.
Would
that
be
the
kind
of
the
same
model
that
you
presented
here
for
us?
Thank
you.