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A
A
Okay,
so
as
you're
all
coming
in,
if
I'm
just
going
to
run
you
through
the
basics
of
zoom,
I'm
imagining
that
most
of
you
have
been
in
zoom
before,
but
those
of
you
who
are
not
familiar
with
the
software
if
you'll
take
your
mouse
and
hover
over
your
screen,
you'll
see
that
at
the
bottom
you
have
the
ability
to
click
on
chat
and
give
us
a
comment
and
there's
also
a
reactions
button
where
you
can
tell
us
that
you
want
to
raise
your
hand
if
you
have
a
question
or
something
like
that
or
you
want
to
to
comment
so
the
first
thing
I'd
love
for
you
to
do
is
in
the
chat.
A
Please
state
your
name
and
the
state
that
you
are
from,
and
that
will
let
us
know
that
you
know
how
to
use
the
chat,
because
we
will
be
interacting
you
with
you
on
the
chat
as
well
as
doing
so
via
verbal
cool
people
are
starting
to
post
things
in
the
chat.
That
is
great.
That's
exactly
what
we
want
to
see.
A
So
the
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to,
let
you
know,
is
that
we're
recording
this
so
that
your
colleagues
who
aren't
able
to
attend
this
can
view
it
later.
There
are
a
few
ground
rules
for
this
meeting
number
one.
Obviously
our
goal
with
this
meeting
is
for
us
to
get
some
constructive
information
on
how
to
move
forward
with
editing
in
legislatures,
and
so
what
we're
looking
for
is
to
build
solutions.
A
So
we
we
will
ask
questions
that
will
elicit
some
problems
you
may
have
have
hit
along
the
way,
but
rather
than
focusing
on
problems,
what
we
want
to
do
is
focus
on
ways
to
solve
problems.
So
please
try
to
try
to
look
for
the
solutions
that
you've
come
up
with
to
share
with
one
another,
because
there's
bound
to
be
something
that
you
have
come
up
with
that
your
colleagues
in
this
group
here
would
really
benefit
from
and
we
really
want
to
learn
from
one
another.
A
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
introduce
our
chair
for
this
meeting,
our
our
our
host,
if
you
will,
that
is
wendy
jackson,
wendy
is
with
the
wisconsin
legislature.
She
is
the
the
chief
of
all
all
editors:
if
you
will
she,
she
manages
a
big
team
of
editors
and
went
through
many
of
the
same
things
that
you
have
gone
through
in
your
legislatures.
A
Obviously,
and
so
we
are
delighted
that
she
was
willing
to
act
as
our
moderator
and
she's
going
to
be
asking
you
some
questions
and
we'll
be
asking
you
some
polling
questions
as
well,
and
we
hope
that
you
will
all
join
in
and
get
involved
and
answer
lots
of
things
and
ask
lots
of
things.
So
with
that
wendy
the
floor
is
yours,.
B
Thank
you
thanks.
Thank
you
kay,
it's
so
cool
that
we
can
all
do
this
and
get
together
like
this.
It's
one
thing
we
have
learned,
I
would
say,
lovely,
to
see
you
and
it
is
my
honor
to
serve
as
the
moderator
for
this
roundtable
discussion
about
the
current
editing
odyssey
in
which
we
find
ourselves,
as
kay
said
we're
here
today
to
talk
about
what
we've
learned
as
editors
for
legislatures.
B
Some
changes
are
permanent,
while
others
are
temporary
and
we
scheduled
this
discussion,
because
we
think
it
will
be
helpful
for
us
all
to
talk
about
our
shared
yet
unique
experiences
in
places
like
cambodia
and
thailand
and
possibly
on
tic
tac.
I
should
ask
my
kids.
The
phrase
is
same
same
but
different,
so
we
can
use
this
hour
to
talk
about
what
is
same
same
but
different
in
how
we're
doing
our
jobs
this
legislative
session.
B
We
can
share
challenges,
offer
solutions,
ask
questions
and
make
important
connections
and
for
me
the
connections
are
so
important
because
how
long
have
I
been
doing
this?
Okay,
it's
been
a
long
time
since
I've
been
involved
with
relax
and
before
that
the
legal
services
staff
section
and
my
connections
like
you-
are
what
sometimes
the
best
part
of
my
job
and
it's
so
nice
to
have
to
be
able.
B
B
This
hour
is
yours
and
we
want
you
to
talk
and
I'm
not
afraid
to
call
on
people,
but
it
should
be
fun
and
easy
so
welcome
again
and
to
get
us
going
kay
is
going
to
launch
a
poll
to
see
what
interests
you
most.
So
please
choose
one
issue
for
legislative
editors
that
you
would
like
to
discuss
today,
whether
that's
remote
work,
work
processes,
workflow
solutions,
tracking
the
work
process
or
product
quality
control
and
training.
New
editors
I'll
do
mine
too.
B
Right
so
it
looks
like
lots
of
people
would
like
to
talk
with
work
about
work
processes,
so
I
think
we'll
start
with
that,
and
then
we
could
move
to
quality
control.
It
looks
like
and
just
to
plant
a
bug
if
we
get
a
lot
out
of
our
session
right
now,
we
could
talk
when
we're
finished,
about
scheduling
another
one
to
maybe
cover
some
of
these
other
things
that
we
don't
get
to
we'll
just
see
how
that
goes.
B
So,
let's
jump
in
and
talk
about,
work
processes,
and
now
it's
your
turn
to
share
your
challenges
and
solutions
related
to
work
processes.
B
C
C
And
also
in
the
interim,
we've
moved
some
of
our
team
tasks,
pairs
tax
to
working
solo.
C
We
also,
during
this
past
session
2021
we
had
to
work
remotely
both
from
home
and
from
various
other
places
in
the
legislative
complex,
in
addition
to
some
people
in
our
editing
office,
to
comply
with
our
social
distancing
protocols.
C
One
thing
we
did
was
we
digitized
a
lot
of
our
resource
materials,
check,
sheet,
checklists
and
reference
materials
so
that
we
could
work
off-site
and
have
less
contact
with
paper.
This.
This
all
presented
challenges
to
the
way
we
had
successfully
done
our
job
before.
C
C
So
that
we
could
work
on
those
remotely
and
also
we
were
given
access
to
the
online
amendment
editing
system,
so
that
we
could
work
on
amendments
remotely.
C
C
See
what
else
I
could
mention
some
of
the
negatives
we
encountered
were
the
steep
learning
curve.
There
were
certain
tasks
that
were
hard
to
do
on
a
computer
screen
like
checking
cross
references
within
a
long
document.
C
We
learned
that
communication
on
teams
was
vital.
It
was
useful
to
have
a
written
record
of
instructions
instead
of
oral
announcements
in
the
room
and
particularly
with
amendments.
We
found
that
the
online
system
for
working
on
amendments
made
things
a
lot
faster
in
some
ways,
because
we
didn't
have
to
have
several
iterations
of
a
document
going
back
and
forth
between
the
editors
and
the
typists
who
made
the
corrections,
and
I
think
that
pretty
much
covers
what
I
wanted
to
talk
about
on
our
changes
to
our
processes.
C
B
And
kevin
you
mentioned
the
way
you're
communicating
is
using
microsoft
teams.
Is
that
right,
yes,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
offices
have
gone
to
using
communication
platforms
like
that.
I
know
we
in
wisconsin
we're
now
using
slack
is
anyone
else
using
slack,
which
is
really
nice
and
those
of
you
on
the
line
from
wisconsin
you
can
chime
in.
B
B
So
one
thing
that
came
out
of
talking
to
maryland
staff
earlier,
as
we
were
talking
about
this
round
table,
which
I
hadn't
really
thought
about,
but
one
thing
that
really
helps
that
I
wanted
to
share
is
that
on
slack
you
can
set
up
the
channel,
so
we
have
one
that's
set
up
specifically
for
the
editors
and
we
call
it
the
hive.
I've
mentioned
it
before
and
it's
a
private
channel,
not
even
the
chief
or
vice.
What
is
she
called
again?
We
call
her
kathleen.
B
Neither
of
them
is
allowed
on
the
hive,
and
this
is
where
we
collaborate.
We
also,
you
know
we
provide
light-hearted
clips
sometimes
and
we
support
each
other.
Just
like
we
did
in
the
office.
I
mean
it's,
it's
not
the
same
as
being
in
the
office,
but
it
is
it's
working
really
well,
I
think,
and
then
we
have
other
channels.
One
is
set
up
for
the
lrb
only,
and
that
is
where
the
chief
does
communicate
with
the
entire
agency.
B
It's
reserved
for
basically
like
serious
questions
like
no
joking
around
important
information
that
we
all
need
to
hear
things
like
that,
and
then
we
do
have
a
channel
called
pics
and
gifts
and
what
is
the
it's
that?
B
But
that's
where
you
can
post
pictures
of
your
pets-
and
you
know,
talk
about
other
things
going
on
in
our
community
and
then-
and
this
is
something
that
I'm
kind
of
proud
of,
but
we
have
a
channel
called
comma
drama
and
this
is
set
up
for
primarily
attorneys,
but
some
research
analysts
who
are
authors
of
research
papers
and
memos.
They
can
ask
the
editors
questions
because,
as
I
said,
the
hive
is
a
private
channel
for
us,
but
this
is
where
they
can
post
their
questions
and
we
take
turns
coming
up
with
solution.
B
So
I
wanted
to
share
that.
Does
anyone
have
anything
to
add
to
what
either
kevin
said
about
how
they
set
out
or
what
I'm
talking
about
with
communication
or
ask
questions
or
add
to
that.
A
Wendy
we
have
a
comment
question
from
the
chat
from
ben
hawkins.
He
says
sorry
for
spamming
the
chat
I
don't
currently
have
access
to
a
camera
and
mike
that's
not
a
problem
then,
but
he
wants
to
know
how
are
folks
who
use
ms
word
as
the
container
for
the
drafting
tools,
differentiating
tracked
changes
between
different
users,
for
example
a
drafting
attorney
and
an
editor.
C
Well,
in
maryland's
case,
the
documents
first
of
all,
there's
different
versions
of
the
document,
and
so
they
get
different
names
and,
depending
on
what
stage
they're
in
also
the
changes
are
that
are
tracked.
Have
the
name
attached
to
the
change
or
to
a
comment.
B
Well,
I
can
read
that
too,
and
most
people
can
see
this,
but
dorian
says
that
they
save
each
revision
as
a
separate
file
and
have
a
script
to
automate
the
numbering
of
the
file
versions
and
speaking
of
versioning
and
mimi
from
marilyn,
and
I
were
discussing
the
importance
of
versioning
and
in
wisconsin
we're.
We
were
really
lucky
because
we
were
not
doing
anything
remotely
and
we
were
very
heavy
paper
and
pen,
but
we
realized
that
we
have
a
sophisticated
proprietary
bill.
Drafting
system
that
helped
us,
we
are
very
strict
and
versioning
is
really
important.
B
B
We
had
vasquez-
and
maybe
you
all
had
baskets
for
paper
before
and
we
had
all
the
baskets
were
labeled
with
a
day
of
the
week
and
then
there
was
the
basket
labeled
now,
and
I
know
all
of
you
know
what
I
mean
about
that
and
in
that
basket
nothing
really
even
hits
the
table
because
we're
on
it
immediately.
B
But
it
was
that
paper
that
triggered
everything
and
the
paper.
We
could
tell
what
version
we're
working
on.
We
have
different,
we
number
our
preliminary
versions
and
then
we
also
number
our
introducible
versions,
but
that's
how
we
could
tell
all
along.
We
could
tell
by
looking
in
the
system,
but
we
had
never
utilized
it
in
that
way.
B
So
now,
for
our
versioning,
we
are,
you
might
be
horrified,
but
we're
allowing
our
attorneys
to
type
directly
into
a
draft
into
a
new
version
of
the
draft
and
we're
using.
I
think
some
of
you
call
it
a
read
against
tool,
but
we
have
a
very
sophisticated
compare
tool
so
we're
taking
that
new
version
and
taking
the
most
the
next,
the
previous
version
and
comparing
those
two
versions
and
that
produces
a
new
document.
B
B
Word
so
I
guess
I'm
answering
the
question
for
what
we're
doing
in
wisconsin,
but
does
someone
else
want
to
talk
about
if
you
have
something
that
you're
I.t
and
by
the
way,
thank
goodness
for
all
of
our
I.t
offices?
B
Oh
my
goodness,
but
does
someone
else
want
to
share
if
they
have
a
different
system
they're
using
for
versioning
or
for
like
in
word
it's
tracking
changes
and.
D
D
If,
for
instance,
an
attorney
has
drafted
something
and
it's
gone
to
an
editor
or
proofreader
and
then
is
sent
back
for
additional
changes,
the
attorneys
will
manually
render
their
changes
in
a
colored
text
so
that
the
proofreader
knows
only
what
portions
have
been
changed
and
what
they
need
to
proofread.
B
I
think
one
challenge
of
using
word
in
wisconsin
and
I
think
many
states
use
striking
and
scoring
to
show
changes
to
to
current
law,
and
so
we
do
use
the
track.
Changes
in
word
to
work
on
memos
and
research
publications.
But
we
don't
use
it
for
bill.
Drafting.
E
I
was
just
commenting
on
what
wendy
had
said
about
the
compared
document
in
connecticut.
We
do
something
similar,
but
we
do
use
word.
E
We
just
use
the
number
document,
which
is
a
previous
edited
version
and
compare
that
to
what
the
attorney
submitted
with
their
changes
in
it
and
those
will
show
up
and
then
are
edited,
and
then
that
document
the
compared
one
gets
saved
manually
in
a
database,
that
we
have
that's
accessible
to
the
secretaries
who
handle
the
proofreading,
and
so
the
the
attorneys
will
then
receive
their
current
draft
as
well
as
the
document
with
the
compared
documents.
So
they
can
also
see
the
changes
that
that
worked
really
well.
For
us.
A
Thank
you.
So
sarah
reed
has
a
question.
She
asks:
how
does
the
electronic
versioning
comply
with
maintaining
historical
records
and
satisfying
legal
archival
requirements?
That's.
B
B
B
There's
no
statutory
requirement
that
we
need
to
maintain
the
drafting
file
with
paper,
and
fortunately,
we
had
started
a
paperless
initiative
before
march
of
2020,
and
we
had
a
paperless
team
talking
about
how
we
can
move
from
using
so
much
paper
to
putting
this
all
in
a
digital
file
and
our
program,
assistants
have
been
vital
in
helping
us
maintain
our
drafting
files,
so
we
no
longer
have
file
cabinets
full
of
current
session
drafting
files
and
past
session
drafting
files-
and
you
know
we
have
a
storage
room
with
you-
know
countless
legislative
sessions
full
of
drafting
files,
but
we're
not
required
to
keep
it
in
paper.
B
We
are
keeping
it
online.
We
do
post
that
at
the
end
of
each
session,.
D
Great,
so
I
I'm
a
little
squirrely
about
not
having
a
paper
record.
We've
always
had.
You
know
the
previous
year's
documents,
where
we
could
actually
go
back
and
look
if
there
was
a
mistake
made
when
was
it
made?
Who
made
it
was
it
valid?
Is
it
was
there
and
I
I
still
I
have
an
issue.
I
thought
that
was
so
much
easier
and
I'm
not
sure
if
I
understand
guys
from
maryland
help
me
out.
D
If
you
can,
I'm
not
sure
what
happens
to
our
archived
files
that
are
not
archived
anymore.
I
just
I'm
a
little
worried
about
that
and
always
have
been,
but
I
need
something
tangible.
B
B
When
was
the
error
introduced
and
using
as
a
teaching
moment,
but
also
a
little
bit
of
cya,
because
it's
not
always
us
who
introduces
an
error
yeah
anyone
else
on
that,
but
there
are
two
questions
in
the
chat
you
can
turn
to
one
from
matt.
Do
people
in
other
states
use
text,
compare
tools
to
edit
and
can
anyone
talk
about
the
way
they
use
it.
B
I
can
tell
you
how
ours
work,
as
I
mentioned,
our
the
diff
doc,
that
we
have
when
we
export
the
current
version
of
a
draft
and
the
previous
version
of
a
draft,
and
we
run
a
routine
that
compares
it
is
a
text
and
it
also
looks
at
striking
and
scoring.
We
can
also
use
the
compare
to
compare
to
the
current
statutes
to
make
sure
that
we're
working
with
the
most
accurate
version
of
any
statutory
unit
and
this
diff
deck
that
I'm
talking
about,
and
maybe
someone
from
wisconsin
can
attest.
B
It's
not
very
intuitive
to
read
it,
but
once
you
get
used
to
how
the
changes
are
shown,
it
goes
along
pretty
quickly
and
it
depends
in
fact
on
what
document
you
have
to
the
above
and
to
the
left
on
your
desktop.
What
you're,
comparing
to
what
so,
depending
on
that
and
without
getting
into
the
weeds
too
far,
if
there's
red
roman
text,
that
is
usually
an
insertion
and
big
blue
italics
text,
is
a
deletion,
and
then
you
can
comb
through
that
and
to
see
what
needs
to
be
edited.
B
F
Yes,
the
only
thing
I
was
going
to
say
as
far
as
versioning
goes,
we
have
had
the
same
concerns
about
making
sure
that
everything
we
have
done,
whether
on
paper
or
electronic,
is
being
tracked.
F
Currently,
our
bill
drafting
system
tracks,
every
change
that's
being
made
all
of
our
over
strike
is
in
green.
Our
underscore
is
in
red,
but
if
you
hover
over
that
language,
you
can
see
who
made
the
change
in
the
system
so
whether
it's
the
drafter,
the
attorney
the
second
header,
the
editor,
the
support
staff
person
every
per
every
mark
is
date
and
time
time
stamped.
F
F
However,
when
we
proofread,
we
do
that
in
teams
of
two
most
of
the
time
it's
on
paper,
if
we're
doing
it
electronically,
we
have
issued
all
of
our
staff
ipads,
the
bigger
ones
that
are
the
size
of
a
piece
of
paper.
We
all
have
apple
pencils
and
you
can
write
on
there.
Just
like
you
were
writing
on
a
piece
of
paper.
What
happens,
then?
B
I
see
people
talking
about
word
perfect,
which
I'm
dying
to
talk
about,
but
before
that
jamie
shanks,
who
is
our
immediate
past
chair
of
relax
and
led
us
with
great
leadership
through
this,
these
last
18
months,
said
she
can
weigh
in
on
what
tennessee
is
doing.
G
Hi,
so
we
don't
really
have
editing
staff
necessarily,
we
have
proofreaders
in
tennessee,
but
basically
for
say
bills
and
resolutions.
Well
I'll
talk
about
bills,
attorneys
draft
and
then
attorneys
edit,
and
then
it
goes
to
proof.
And
then
there
is
a
final
attorney
doing
some
more
edits.
So
that's
kind
of
how
we're
dealing
with
it.
We
were
all
paper
and
then
we
switched
like
I'm
sure.
G
A
lot
of
people
did
to
doing
it
for
completely
through
systems
and
virtually,
and
we
had
to
make
some
our
tech
people
edited
the
current
drafting
system
that
we
have
and
to
see
the
changes
that
are
made
along
the
way.
G
We
have
an
actions
bar
pretty
much
and
it
goes
from
one
person
to
the
next,
so
you
insert
the
next
person
in
and
then
every
time
they
get
finished
and
it
moves
to
the
next
person.
It
saves
a
draft
and
that
draft
is
a
linked
on
the
the
drafting
program.
G
G
B
Thanks
for
sharing
that
jamie
christy
in
colorado,
do
you
want
to
talk
about
word
perfect
and
man?
Do
I
ever
miss
the
word
perfect.
H
H
Same
here,
so
I
I
can't
really
explain
why
we
still
use
it
other
than
in
a
nutshell.
We
need
to
see
revealed.
Co
reveal
codes,
even
so
it's
all
related
to
us
having
our
own
database
for
all
the
statutes,
because
we
work
with
lexus
nexus
who's,
essentially,
printing,
our
publication
that
we
create
in-house
for
the
statute.
So
it's
all
related
to
that
we're
working
on
a
multi-year
project
to
create
our
own
word
processing
system.
Ultimately,
but
it's
years
in
the
works.
H
H
We
have
non-attorney
editors
who
edit
each
bill
draft,
and
then
we
have
another
attorney
revising
as
well.
So
what
we
developed
through
were
perfect
and
we
think,
thankfully,
have
a
very
well-versed,
I.t
staff
member
who
you
know.
Like
someone
else
said
I
mean
we
can't
say
enough
great
things
about
the
I.t
support
we
have
received
and
particularly
from
our
hero,
wade,
harold
just
shout
out
to
him.
H
I
know
he's
not
on,
but
anyway
wade
helped
us
develop
different
macros
to
automate
a
lot
of
the
systems
for
electronic
editing
because,
yes,
pre
pre-pandemic,
we
were
all
paper.
We
tracked
everything
on
the
hard
copy
of
every
document
and
then
had
the
electronic
version
following
along
and
keeping
up
with
that.
So
we
developed
a
system
where
editors
use,
one
color-coded,
highlighted
text
for
their
changes.
H
We
also
have
a
macro
that
allows
them
to
to
automate
a
comment
so
that
it
has
a
special
code.
That's
that
asks
the
draft,
or
do
you
accept
this
change?
Do
you
reject
it
or
do
you
have
an
explanation
or
comment
you
want
to
make
about
it,
and
then
we
have
the
same
sort
of
process
for
the
revisers
to
use
a
different
colored
text
highlighted
text
for
their
comments,
and
then
the
drafters
can
comment
back
with
a
different
color
text,
and
then
we
have
a
macro
that
will
swipe
out
all
of
that
coding.
H
Once
the
bill
has
gone
through
and
been
proved
and
corrected,
so
you
can
have
a
clean
version
at
the
end,
it's
kind
of
it
doesn't
sound
nearly
as
easy
as
simple
I
mean.
All
of
this
has
been
a
challenge,
I
think
for
anybody
who
wasn't
doing
this
process
electronically
to
begin
with,
so
we
all
had
a
big
learning
curve
in
that
regard,
I'm
sure
I
still
do
like
to
when
I
can
print
off
a
draft
and
read
it.
It's
particularly
challenging
to
look
for
internal
references,
and
things
like
that.
H
H
And
one
thing:
I'm
curious
how
other
people
did
this?
If
I
could
just
ask
a
question,
somebody
else
alluded
to
this
or
talked
about
the
fact
that
they
have.
You
know
paper
inboxes.
Basically,
your
work,
your
in
basket
of
of
work.
That
needs
to
be
edited
and
we
had
a
physical
box
with
different
slots
for
different
days,
similar
to
what
I
heard
and
plus
our
hours
is
called
asap
instead
of
now,
but
it's
the
same.
E
H
I
Yeah
I
just
the
way
we
we
had
rit
create
is
we
call,
I
call
it
a
q
and
it's
just
a
big
list
of
the
the
bill
numbers
that
you
can
eat
with
columns
and
you
can
just
sort
through
it.
So
if
you're
looking
for,
you
can
sort
it
by
priority.
So
if
it's
like
a
an
asap
or
now,
we
call
them
rushes,
you
could
sort
by
that
and
see.
I
You
know
if
that
needs
to
be
done
first,
each
each
little
bill
if
you
had
the
number
like
a
hyperlink.
So
if
you
click
the
the
bill
number,
it
would
open
in
another
of
our
programs
where
you
could
actually
click
and
open
up
the
document
itself.
It's
also
that's
also
the
program
we
use
to
to
see
the
different
versions
of
that
particular
bill,
so
that
that
queue
was
pretty
helpful
for
you
can
see
like
everything
that's
coming
coming
through,
and
the
sorting
was
really
helpful.
I
You
could
even
sort
by
like
what
stage
the
document
was
in
if
it's
brand
new,
if
it
needs
a
second
read
or
if
it
was
in
a
correction
that
kind
of
thing.
So
it
was
just
it
was,
it
was
a
seems.
Like
a
I
mean,
I'm
not
a
coder
or
anything,
but
it
seems
like
an
easy
thing
to
create
it's
just
a
big
list
that
pulls
in
every
time
a
bill
was
logged
into
the
system
as
needing
to
be
read
we'll
just
pop
into
that
list.
J
We
sort
of
set
up
for
tracking
jobs
and
stuff
that
was
coming
in
for
the
three
editors
sort
of
a
what
we
call
a
virtual
whiteboard,
which
was
really
just
an
excel
spreadsheet
that
you
know
the
group
can
edit,
but
usually
when
jobs
came
in
via
email,
someone
else
not
one
of
the
editors
would
put
all
the
information
up
on
the
board
as
as
far
as
what
the
document
number
was
in
our
document
management
management
system,
when
it
came
in
when
the
attorney
wanted
it
back
and
then
they
would
assign
it
and
then
after
it
was
assigned,
they
tracked
when
it
came
in
and
then
when
it
went
back
to
the
attorney,
and
that
was
really
helpful
for
us
to,
as
others
have
said,
to
sort
of
keep
an
eye
on
who's
doing
what
what
we
have
still
left
to
do
what's
been
done
and
what
the
priorities
are
also
the
attorneys
we
opened
it
up.
J
The
attorneys
could
look
at
it.
So
if
they
were
working
on
something
they
could
see
what
our
workload
was
like
to
see.
You
know
how
they
needed
to
manage
the
work
when
they
needed
to
get
it
in
to
get
it
done
on
their
time
schedule,
so
that
was
really
helpful,
plus
it
which
we'd
never
had
before.
It
really
gave
us
a
way
say
at
the
end
of
each
month
to
take
a
look
at
what
is
the
workload?
What
type
of
documents
have
we
had?
J
What's
the
number
which
to
I
think,
people
who
were
not
in
our
department
was
really
kind
of
an
eye-opener
when
they
saw
the
number
of
documents
that
actually
go
through.
K
D
I
was
just
piggybacking
off
of
what
matt
said
we
we
can
pretty
much.
We
know
who
has
what
document
at
what
time,
because
there
are
many
instances
where
you're
reading
something
and
it's
really
long
and
halfway
through
they
cancel
it.
So
we
need
to
tell
our
editors
to
stop
so
we
can
look
up.
We
can
put
in
the
legislative
request
number
the
bill
number
find
out.
Who
has
it
and
then
quickly?
You
know,
throw
them
a
chat
and
tell
them
to
stop,
or
this
has
now
become
a
rush.
D
So
having
that
tagged
on
to
the
queue
really
is
very
helpful,.
B
Yeah
we
we
have
something
similar
in
wisconsin
and
I
want
to
go
back
to
what
christy
asked
about
you
know
when
you,
how
do
you
know
something's
a
now
or
a
rash
or
urgent?
B
We
had
our
I.t
people
build
and
when
and
the
attorneys
have
an
inbox,
the
researchers
have
an
inbox
and
the
editors
have
an
inbox
as
well
as
the
program
assistants
who
do
the
submitting,
but
rit
staff
built
us
a
way
for
attorneys
to
put
a
red
exclamation
point
on
any
particular
draft.
So
when
it
is
forwarded
to
the
editor's
inbox,
we
can
see
that
that
is
a
now,
and
someone
said
you
know:
is
it
like
a
a
real
now?
Is
it
a
soft?
B
Now
I
mean
we,
we
take
it
for
for
what
it
is
and
that's
been
really
helpful,
and
we
can
also
mark
something
with
the
red
exclamation
point
as
urgent
for
their
program
assistance.
If
they're
waiting
for
something
on
the
floor,
something
like
this,
so
that's
been
really
great
and
then
I
also
in
system.
I
can
see
what
mimi's
describing
I
can
see
where
every
where
everything
is,
and
I
can
see
if
someone
needs
help
or
very
often
we
have
a
shifting
deadline.
B
I'm
sure
that
never
happens
with
anyone
else,
and
then
you
have
to
go,
find
something
to
do
it,
and
I
I
think
this
this
affects
like
people
who
are
editing
research
documents
as
well
and
not
just
bill
drafting.
B
So
I
wanted
to,
I
don't
see,
I
see
patricia
has
her
hand
up
so
why
don't
patricia?
Why
don't
you
go
ahead
and
chime
in
I.
E
E
I
have,
I
will
receive
a
document.
The
attorney
has
the
capability
when
submitting
to
specify
what
time
they
need
it.
So
you
know
it
could
be
within
a
four
hour
window
or
if
they
choose
not
to
do
a
time,
then
the
default
would
be
24
hours.
So
if
I
see
a
document,
that's
24
hours,
I
know
it's
not
a
rush,
but
that
we
we
also
have
that
exclamation
feature,
and
we
also
have
what
we
call
a
go.
So
if
it's
a
go,
we
know
we
have
to
push
it
through
very
quickly.
E
There's
also-
and
this
is
something
that
inbox
was
developed
by
our
it
department,
specifically
for
the
technical
review,
editing
and
editing
process,
there's
also
a
field
in
there,
where
you
can.
The
attorney
can
leave
notes
for
the
editor
and
the
editor
could
leave
notes
for
the
secretary,
so
they
can
see
what
needs
to
be
done,
how
quickly
it
needs
to
be
done
and,
of
course,
everything
could
change
on
a
dime,
but
that's
how
it
begins.
E
B
Thank
you
for
that.
I
wanted
to
lisa
mentioned
that
you
know,
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
bill
drafting
and
we
do
have
research
editors,
I'm
one
all
of
our
wisconsin
editors
also
do
research,
editing
and
we're
learning
from
states
like
kentucky,
for
example,
how
to
how
to
do
it.
So
does
anyone
want
to
talk
about
what
you
have?
What
is
the
challenge,
what
you've
implemented
in
terms
of
versioning
or
comparing
for
research
documents.
B
And
I'll
just
say
like
for
our,
we
had
already
been
doing
all
of
our
editing
for
research,
publications
and
our.
D
B
Using
word
and
very
rarely
any
paper
unless
an
editor
wanted
to
print
something
out
for
some
reason.
So
we
had
a
system
in
place
where
we
were
using
track
changes.
And
then
the
author
is
responsible
for
clearing
out
all
the
track,
changes,
clearing
out
unresolved
issues
and
then
sending
clean
copy
to
the
requester.
B
Anymore
about
that,
let's
see
looking
through
the
chat.
Dorne
has
a
question
for
the
group.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
wanted
to
answer
that
for
those
offices
with
an
electronic
digital
inbox,
do
you
have
mandatory
requirements
for
the
format
of
the
source
document?
B
For
example,
all
bills
from
outside
sources
must
be
in
word
or
word
perfect
or
google
docs.
Do
you
have
trouble
enforcing
these
standards?
Does
I
know
we
do
not?
We
have.
Our
system
is
set
for
a
specific
type
of
document,
but
for
those
of
you
I
know
delaware,
don't
you
have
outside
drafters?
K
Oh,
we
just
our
process
is
heavily
paper
in
any
case,
but
we
take
bill
requests
electronically
by
email.
We
take
drafts
from
other
offices.
K
Basically,
in
any
format
that
we
can
get
and
they're
converted
by
our
technicians
who
enter
the
documents,
everything
though,
is
done,
is
kept
maintained
and
the
in
folders
we
transfer
everything
in
paper
folders
when
we
were
working
remotely.
K
We
were
scanning
documents
to
people
who
weren't
in
the
office,
but
someone
in
the
office
had
the
paper
that
was
going
to
end
up
in
the
folder
and
was
making
the
changes
that
were
going
to
be
kept.
I
think
in
some
ways
the
accountability
of
of
documentation
that
you
get
with
paper
with
hard
copies
is
hard
to
give
up,
as
someone
else
remarked,
being
able
not
only
to
to
to
figure
out
where
an
error
happened,
but
how
much
of
a
change
was
deliberate?
K
And
although
I've
I
have
found
that
there
are,
we
we
have
our
tracking
is
electronic.
We've
had
a
great
tracking
system
for
years
that
was
designed
by
rit
department,
so
things
are
tracked
both
in
as
bill
requests
and
as
the
documents
as
they
are
produced,
and
we
can
always
call
up
the
current
version
and
print
it
out
and
scan
it
and
send
it.
K
But
we
always
know
who
wrote
what
when-
and
I
think
that
is
I
I
I'm
a
bit
of
a
luddite,
I
suppose,
and
not
wanting
to
lose
that,
but
I
do
think
there
are
legal
implications.
K
K
G
Something
sure
again
for
tennessee:
I
don't
think
we
have
a
policy
on
it
because,
like
everyone
else
was
saying
we
take
them.
However,
we
can
get
them
if
they're
written
on
napkins
or
if
we
take
them
by
phone
call
or
whatever.
We
have
been
encouraging
members
in
more
recent
years
to
submit
via
email.
So
if
there
is
so
if
they
have
either
drafted
or
more
than
likely
someone's
given
them
pre-drafted
language,
then
they'll
forward
it
to
us.
G
For
me
personally,
when
I
get
something
like
that,
that's
in
a
pdf
form
or
a
member
has
physically
dropped
off
a
hard
copy.
That's
clearly
been
typed
up
somewhere,
I
will
call
their
assistant
and
ask
for
them
to
get
with
whoever
gave
that
to
them
and
have
them
send
us
a
word.
G
Send
it
to
us
in
word,
since
our
drafting
system
works
off
a
word
just
because
it's
quicker
and
it
would
save
an
assistant
up
here,
who's
already
busy
from
having
to
type
it
up,
and
you
know
if
they're
typing
it
up
and
they
miss
a
word.
Then
that
could
make
all
the
difference
in
the
world
and
you
might
not
notice
it.
G
B
And
angela
did
you
want
to
say
something.
L
L
If
anyone
else
uses
that
system,
how
do
you
divide
up
the
work?
How
do
you
manage
the
workflow?
We've
had
a
problem
with
multiple
people
taking
files
at
the
same
time
and
also
with
people
accidentally
deleting
files
from
the
inbox.
I
wonder
if
any
of
you
have
any
experience
with
those
kinds
of
issues.
B
I
Yeah,
so
we
we
had
a
similar.
I
talked
before
about
the
queue
that
we
have
where,
if
you
click
the
the
bill
number,
it
takes
you
to
the
other
program.
So
we,
this
was
part
of
the
growing
pains
thing
about
learning
what
works
for
us
so
early
on.
We
had
people,
you
know
opening
the
same
document.
We
there
is
like
a
protection
to
it,
like
only
one
person
can
open
the
document
at
a
time.
I
So
there
was
that
sort
of
protection,
but
we
learned
to.
We
have
also
have
a
logging
system
that
it
was
also
linked
to
this
queue.
So
once
that
bill
was
logged
out,
it
would
be
removed
from
the
queue
until
we
logged
it
back
in
after
we
were
done
reading
it.
I
So
we
learned
to
open
the
document
first
before
logging
in,
because
that
would
lock
it
to
whoever
was
going
to
read
it
and
then
log
it.
So
that
was
kind
of
our
safety
net
thing.
But
we
did
early
on,
have
people,
you
know,
opening
it
up
and
starting
to
read
it
without
really,
and
somebody
else
also
working
on
at
the
same
time-
and
there
was
some
confusion
there
until
we
sort
of
implemented
that
rule
to
open
it
first
and
save
it
and
then
log
it
so
it
would
be
removed
from
the
queue.
B
I
can
tell
you
that,
as
part
of
our
inboxes,
each
editor
can
acquire
a
draft
electronically.
B
We
were
using
this
before
we
went
paperless
just
even
though
the
drafting
the
paper
file
would
follow
the
digital
file,
but
you
know
every
once
in
a
while,
someone
will
come
in
and
say
who
has
this
one,
and
so
we
were
always
encouraging
editors
to
acquire
a
draft
both
for
it
was
not.
It
wouldn't
have
happened
before
with
paper
for
someone
to
be
working
on
the
same
draft
at
the
same
time,
so
this
is
critical
for
us
now
to
acquire
the
digital
file,
and
so
I
can
see
that
chris
has
this
acquired.
B
If
someone
asked
me
about
it
and
then
in
that
way,
no
one
can
work
on
it.
At
the
same
time,
I
will
say
that
our
program
assistants,
every
now
and
then
have
they
do
the
submitting
to
the
requesters
across
the
street
at
the
capitol
and
they
have
had
to
work
out
not
submitting
the
two
people
submitting
the
draft
at
the
same
time,
and
that
has
been
a
challenge
with
no
paper
file
to
trigger
those
routines.
B
B
If
people
are
interested
in
convening
another
round
table
for
editors,
both
research
editors
and
bill,
drafter
editors,
you
can
post
a
topic
in
the
chat.
I
think
there's
a
way
that,
like
holly
just
said,
please
tell
us
if
you'd
like
to
get
this
group
together
again
and
topics
you
would
want
to
discuss.
I
think
that
would
help
us
for
planning
also
if
anyone
is
interested
in
moderating
one
of
these
conversations,
it's
fun
and
easy,
and
I
would
encourage
you
all
to
do
it
and
then
just
backing
up.
B
B
B
A
Okay,
well,
we
have
a
lot
of
of
comments
and
questions
that
have
come
in
in
the
chat
and
for
those
of
you
who
participated
I'll,
do
my
best
to
type
those
up
and
send
them
out
to
all
of
you.
A
For
those
of
you
who
didn't
see
the
some
of
these
answers
in
the
chat.
Does
anyone
else
have
any
of
a
question?
I
know
angela
had
her
hand
up
a
minute
ago.
Do
you
want
to
talk
angela
before
we
before
we
close,
because
that
would
give
us
a
chance
to
cover
one
more
question
before
we
move
on.
L
Yes,
if
you
don't
mind
me
asking
one
more
question,
I
haven't
heard
anyone
mention
this,
and
this
is
not
necessarily
the
most
efficient
system,
but
we
currently
our
documents
come
in
and
work
perfect,
but
we
mark
our
proofreading
changes
and
all
subsequent
changes
after
the
initial
draft
on
pdfs
using
comment
tools
and
then
our
word
processors
follow
those
comments
and
make
the
changes
that
are
noted,
because
we
use
wordperfect
and
the
track
changes
feature
doesn't
work
properly,
as
someone
did
mention.
L
B
H
This
is
christy
from
colorado.
I
will
say
that
we
looked
at
trying
to
use
pdf
markup,
and
this
was
last
summer.
I
guess
we
had
taken
a,
I
think.
Maybe
it
was
after
we
finished
the
2020
session.
We
were,
we
had,
you
know,
managed
to
muddle
through
the
last
three
weeks
of
that
session.
H
After
we
came
back
from
the
pandemic
break,
we
looked
at
trying
to
do
the
pdf
markup
and
there
was
so
much
techno
new
technology
burnout
from
everyone
that
we
just
thought
the
learning
curve
to
learn
this
new
process
when
we
had
already
kind
of
muddled
through
making
edits
and
revisions
in
wordperfect,
we
figured
we'd
fine-tune
that
process
rather
than
look
at
the
pdf,
but
I'd
be
curious
to
know
angela.
L
Oh,
I
was
just
going
to
respond
quickly
that
christy,
since
you
used
wordperfect
as
well.
If
you
wanted
to
have
a
conversation
offline,
I
would
be
happy
to
do
that
sometime,
but
I'll
just
quickly
say
that
opinions
vary
on
whether
the
pdf
markup
is
working.
I
say
that
it
is.
I
mean
not
as
well
as
having
a
track
changes
feature,
but
I
say
given
that
what
we
have
it's
working,
but
we
have
one
or
two
drafters
who
just
cannot
stand
marking
the
changes,
even
if
they
know
how
to
do
it.
B
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
offline
with
anyone
about
this
too.
I
think
we've
had
a
positive
experience
about
using
the
pdf
markup.
I
think
we
could
meet.
We
haven't.
We
just
haven't
had
time
to
kind
of
take
a
breath
and
review
how
we
are
marking
up
pdfs,
but
I
did.
I
would
point
you
to
the
chicago
manual
style.
B
Section:
2.133
has
a
nice
section
about
ways
to
markup
a
pdf
and
other
similar
files,
much
as
you
would
with
paper
and
pen,
and
it's
probably
too
much
to
go
into
right
now,
but
talks
about
how
to
be
efficient
and
how
you
would
always
provide
markup
as
an
overlay,
and
you
would
never
undo
what
an
author
has
done,
and
we
could
talk
a
lot
more
about
that.
So
I'm
I
would
love
to
get
together
with
angela
and
christy
and
anyone
else
who
wanted
to
to
talk
about
that.
That'd
be
great.
A
And
obviously,
anyone
who
wants
to
get
together
again
and
we're
definitely
getting
some
comments
that
people
would
like
to
have
another
meeting.
Obviously,
for
those
of
you
who
came
with
this,
we
have
a
huge
list
of
potential
topics.
A
As
as
wendy
mentioned,
you
know
we
we
did
the
quick
survey
at
the
beginning,
but
we're
pretty
sure
that
that
this
group
can
can
have
a
lot
to
discuss,
and
there
are
so
many
different
ways
to
approach
all
of
these
issues
and
I
think
it's
useful
to
get
together,
and
so,
if
everyone's
interested
I'll
schedule,
something
I
don't
know,
does
anybody
have
a
vote
on
how
far
out
do
you
want
me
to
wait
a
month?
Does
that
sound
about
right
to
get
together
again
or
do
you
want
to
get
together
sooner.
A
Yeah,
maybe
not
tomorrow,
but
even
two
weeks
from
now
I
might
be
able
to
put
something
together,
and
so,
if
you
want
something
fairly
quickly,
please
let
me
know.
Obviously
you
can
email
me
offline
and
let
me
know
topics
that
you'd
like
to
talk
about
as
well,
but
I
think
this
group
of
people
is
interested
in
discussing
and
I
think
you
can
learn
from
each
other
and
and
I'm
happy
to
facilitate
this.
B
Yeah,
that's
great
and
thank
you
to
kay
for
keeping
us
together
and
keeping
us
going,
and
thank
you
to
relax
for
sponsoring
this.
It's
all
good
stuff.
It
just
feels
like
home
to
see
all
of
you
and
to
have
this
conversation
in
the
past.
B
When
we
had
our
in-person
pds
meetings,
we
normally
would
work
in
a
roundtable
discussion
just
like
this
and,
as
I
said
when
we
started
this
is
great
to
be
able
to
do
this
on
zoom,
because
not
everyone
can
make
it
to
those
in-person
meetings,
even
when
we're
having
them.
So.
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
and
we'll
be
in
touch
about
the
next
one.
I'm
kind
of
feeling
like
it
won't
be
tomorrow,
but
maybe
soon
so.
Thank
you.