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From YouTube: Cutting Corrections Costs While Preserving Public Safety
Description
Strained state budgets have reignited the conversation on effective ways to ensure public safety while reducing spending. Corrections spending typically accounts for around 5% of state general fund budgets annually. Policy changes to reduce admissions and shorten length of stay in prisons and jails, as well as changing responses to community supervision rule violations can be both fiscally beneficial and encourage successful outcomes for individuals involved with the justice system. This session will explore some of these policy changes and their fiscal impacts.
A
A
Okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started,
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
everyone
to
our
briefing
today
on
cutting
corrections
costs
while
preserving
public
safety.
I
think
this
topic
is
particularly
timely
right
now,
because
it
seems
like
everything
to
do
with
criminal
justice
is
up
for
review,
and
I
think
this
provides
a
unique
opportunity
for
states
to
look
at
their
corrections
policies
and
see
where
changes
that
can
be
made
that
benefit
both
the
community
and
the
state
budget.
A
My
name
is
mandy
rafal
and
I'm
the
director
of
ncsl's
fiscal
program.
This
is
the
fifth
session
of
our
seven
part
spring
fiscal
briefing
series.
The
programs
are
all
scheduled
for
wednesdays.
At
the
same
time,
through
june
16th
and
we've
been
covering
a
wide
variety
of
topics.
Our
two
remaining
sessions
include
pension
investments
and
we'll
wrap
up
with
the
state
budget
update.
A
We,
we
have
the
link
to
the
entire
schedule
in
the
chat,
so
I
encourage
you
to
join
us
for
the
final
two.
If
you
can,
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
the
pew
charitable
trust
for
their
support
of
the
fiscal
series
and
for
their
ongoing
partnership
with
ncsl
on
state
policy
issues,
including
today's
topic
of
corrections,
costs
and
public
safety,
and
then
a
couple
final
notes
from
me.
So
one
today's
session
is
being
recorded
and
it
will
be
available
on
our
website
by
early
next
week
and
two.
A
B
B
Then
we're
going
to
hear
from
beth
campo
with
the
pew
charitable
trusts
about
some
of
pew's
work
in
this
area,
and
then
the
bulk
of
our
meeting
is
really
going
to
be
a
conversation
between
secretary
james
leblanc
of
the
louisiana
department
of
public
safety
and
corrections
and
natalie
labor.
His
executive
council
louisiana
has
implemented
a
number
of
the
policy
changes
that
we'll
be
discussing
and
we're
going
to
hear
more
about
the
outcomes
of
those
changes.
B
Secretary
leblanc
has
been
with
the
louisiana
department
of
public
safety
and
corrections
for
more
than
40
years
and
has
been
secretary
for
the
last
13
and
a
half.
So
we're
really
excited
to
hear
from
him
hear
more
about
his
experience
and
before
I
start
I'd
also
like
to
acknowledge
and
thank
you
charitable
trusts,
for
the
generous
support
they've
provided
in
csl
and
state
legislatures.
B
It
used
to
be
that
rising
prison
populations
and
costs
were
the
norm,
but
that
trend
has
started
to
change.
The
bluish
line
on
this
slide
shows
the
growth
in
the
state.
Prison
population
has
been
leveling
off
and
even
declining
since
about
2009,
violent
and
property
crime
rates
shown
by
the
orange
line
are
the
lowest
they've
been
since
the
early
1970s
prisons
are
necessary
to
incapacitate
the
people
who
commit
the
most
serious
crimes,
but
prisons
are
expensive
and
generally
4
out
of
10
people
in
prison
will
be
released
within
3
years.
B
B
One
note
on
correction
spending
is
it's
supported
almost
entirely
by
state
general
funds
on
average,
only
about
two
to
three
percent
of
corrections.
Budgets
come
from
other
sources,
such
as
federal
burn,
jag
grants
which
support
in
this
excuse
me
initiatives
across
the
entire
criminal
justice
system
that
are
innovative
or
that
replicate
evidence-based
practices,
there's
very
little
federal
money
and
very
few
federal
requirements
on
state
criminal
justice
systems,
so
state
policy
and
management
decisions
are
the
primary
drivers
of
criminal
justice
populations
and
costs.
B
B
So
what
do
these
big
picture
numbers
tell?
Us?
States
aren't
necessarily
spending
more
or
less
on
corrections,
rather
they're,
more
effectively
managing
costs
and
getting
better
outcomes.
So
now
I'm
going
to
touch
on
a
few
specific
policy
changes,
incarcerating
people
in
prisons
and
jails
is
one
of
the
most
expensive
portions
of
criminal
justice
budgets.
B
One
estimate
is
that
nearly
nine
out
of
every
10
state
dollars
spent
on
corrections
supports
incarceration
expenses.
There
are
a
range
of
policy
levers
that
can
reduce
the
number
of
people
incarcerated,
thereby
contributing
to
reduced
costs.
Changes
to
sentencing
policies
can
reduce
the
number
of
people
sentenced
to
incarceration.
B
Opportunities
for
policy
changes
that
reduce
admissions
can
be
found
throughout
state
statutes.
A
series
of
bills
passed
in
michigan
following
the
work
of
the
state's
joint
task
force
on
jail
and
pre-trial
incarceration,
demonstrate
that
there
are
statutes
in
multiple
sections
of
code
that
create
criminal
offenses.
As
you
can
see
here,
changes
were
made
to
codes
related
to
public
health
vehicles,
schools,
natural
resources
and
environmental
protection,
and
even
the
state's
railroad
code,
along
with
the
code
of
criminal
procedure.
B
Policy
changes
can
also
reduce
the
length
of
stay
in
prisons
and
jails,
for
example,
expanding
the
availability
of
earned
and
good
time
for
incarcerated
people
and
establishing
a
presumption
of
parole
sentence.
Credits
are
in
place
in
42
states,
with
at
least
33
states
having
statutorily
established,
good
time
policies
and
34
states
with
earned
time
in
law,
meaning
people
participate
in
or
complete
productive
activities,
such
as
education
treatment
and
work
programs
to
earn
time
off
their
sentences.
B
Health
care
costs
accounted
for
around
20
percent
of
prison
expenditures
in
2015,
with
states
spending
8.1
billion
on
prison
health
care.
Creating
and
using
medical
and
geriatric
parole
can
reduce
the
number
of
incarcerated
individuals
and
reduce
the
associated
health
care
costs
for
older
people
and
those
who
are
medically
vulnerable,
which
was
particularly
important
during
covet.
B
California,
expanded
its
geriatric
parole
law
in
2020,
lowering
the
minimum
age
from
60
to
50
and
reducing
the
minimum
time
served
requirement
from
25
years
to
20.
in
analysis
of
that.
Expansion
from
the
company
called
recidivism
found
that
an
additional
779
people
would
become
eligible
for
parole
review
and
the
state
could
save
between
133.8
and
207.5
million
dollars
over
five
years.
B
According
to
research
from
the
council
of
state
governments,
justice
center
technical
violations
of
supervision
make
up
2.8
billion
spent
by
states
annually,
idaho
avoided
over
21
million
dollars
in
potential
costs,
by
reducing
prison
beds
being
used
between
july
2014
and
february
2018,
following
legislation
which
established
a
limited
supervision
program
and
a
matrix
of
swift,
certain
and
graduated
sanctions.
Among
other
changes,
a
cost
calculator
from
csg's
justice
center
explores
the
budgetary
impact
in
states
of
reducing
the
number
of
revocations
of
supervision.
B
Looking
at
georgia,
a
50
reduction
in
revocations
over
the
course
of
six
months
would
result
in
1868
fewer
people
in
prison
and
reduced
cost
of
6.5
million
over
one
year
over
five
years.
The
calculator
projects,
5
285
fewer
people
in
prison
and
reduced
costs
of
313
million,
and
we
are
dropping
a
link
in
the
chat
box.
You
can
see
the
specifics
for
your
state
as
well
to
learn
more
about
some
of
these
opportunities
for
policy
changes,
check
out
ncsl's
series
of
briefs,
looking
at
corrections
budgeting.
B
B
B
Now,
with
that,
I'd
like
to
turn
things
over
to
beth
combo
with
pew,
to
tell
us
a
bit
about
their
work
in
this
area
and
give
us
some
background
on
louisiana's
efforts
before
we
dive
into
the
conversation
and
just
a
quick
reminder,
please
put
questions
and
comments
in
the
chat
box
as
they
come
up.
Thank
you.
Beth.
The
floor
is
yours.
C
C
C
So
in
our
work
at
the
public
safety
performance
project,
we
have
seen
the
approach
of
what
we
refer
to
as
the
justice
reinvestment
model
work
in
many
places
and
across
policy
concentrations.
So
this
includes
adult
prisons
and
sentencing
juvenile
justice
jails
and
pretrial
work
and
community
supervision.
C
In
most
instances,
legislative
reforms
pass
with
huge
bipartisan
majorities.
Louisiana
is
one
of
the
places
we've
seen.
This
model
demonstrate
success
with
decreasing
prison
and
supervision
populations
driven
by
careful
implementation
of
policy
reforms
resulting
in
cost
savings,
and
then
the
robust
reinvestment
of
a
portion
of
those
cost
savings
in
community-based
programs.
That
research
shows
reduce
reoffending.
C
So
we're
delighted
that
secretary,
leblanc
and
natalie
labord
of
the
louisiana
doc
are
here
today
to
tell
you
more
about
louisiana's
experience,
but
criminal
justice
reform
is
about
more
than
just
cost
savings,
especially
in
the
current
climate,
as
we
are
not
only
emerging
from
the
covent
pandemic
and
its
budget
impacts,
but
also
considering
approaches
to
public
safety.
Criminal
justice
reform
offers
opportunities
to
actually
make
the
system
better,
while
generating
cost
savings
that,
through
targeted
reinvestment
in
community-based
services,
can
lead
to
further
savings
and
better
outcomes
down
the
road.
C
We
want
to
use
this
hour
to
go
deep
on
one
state
as
a
means
of
exploring
why
pursuing
budget
savings
and
reinvestment
through
bipartisan
approaches
to
criminal
justice
reform
can
be
fruitful
and
so
natalie
and
secretary
leblanc
will
discuss
this
in
greater
depth.
But
to
give
a
bit
of
a
preview
louisiana.
C
One
key
approach
that
the
lawmakers
took
is
expanding
probation
eligibility
to
people
with
lengthier
criminal
histories,
meaning
that
more
of
these
people
are
eligible
for
supervision
and
other
alternatives
to
incarceration
and
then
to
reduce
length
of
stay
for
people
in
prison.
Lawmakers
reduce
the
sentencing,
ranges
for
some
drug
and
property
offenses.
Together
these
reforms
and
others
like
them,
have
helped
to
drive
down
the
prison
population
in
louisiana
supervision.
Practices
are
also
more
evidence-based.
C
C
It
has
taken
a
lot
of
thought,
work
and
political
will
to
get
this
done
in
louisiana.
The
state
that
long
led
the
nation
in
imprisonment,
secretary,
leblanc,
natalie
and
the
leadership
of
doc
were
instrumental
in
louisiana's
task
force
process
in
2016
during
the
2017
legislative
session.
That
culminated
in
the
passage
of
the
10
bill
package
and
ever
since
leading
the
work
to
implement
these
significant
changes.
So
without
further
ado,
I
am
happy
to
turn
this
over
to
natalie
and
the
secretary
to
tell
us
more
about
their
work.
Thank
you.
D
You
were
one
of
the
only
cabinet
secretaries
to
serve
under
a
previously
republican
administration
and
then
now
with
the
democrat
administration,
which
really
says
a
lot
about
your
leadership,
but
your
career
here
spans
over
45
plus
years.
So
I
think,
it'd
be
really
helpful
just
for
people
to
hear
the
context
of
of
your
experience
in
this
department
from
the
financial
and
the
policy
perspective.
So
how
did
you
start
off
here.
E
C
E
Came
back
gi
bill,
graduated
from
college
and
I
lived
in
a
prison
town
and
went
to
work
at
a
prison
in
the
business
office
as
with
a
business
degree,
not
making
a
lot
of
money
and
not
sure
really.
What
I
wanted
to
do,
but
anyway
worked
through
all
that
and
and
promoted
my
way
up
through
the
department
and
actually
in
2008,
is
when
I
was
selected
as
secretary.
E
E
When
I
had
the
opportunity
and
my
predecessor,
richard
staller,
and
some
people
out
there
may
know
richard
richard
was
my
idol
and-
and
I
grew
up
with
richard
in
this
department,
and
he
gave
me
an
opportunity
and
usually
used
me
when
he
could
to
if
there
were
problems
in
areas
and
one
one
area
was
probation
pro.
When
I
was
a
ward.
E
He
asked
me
to
go
over
and
and
the
director
retired
and
I
went
over
and
worked
in
in
the
interim
until
we
found
somebody
to
replace
the
director
and
during
that
time
is
when
I
really
got
exposed
to
what
one
you
know.
What's
what
what
it
meant
to
be
a
warden
and
how
important
it
was
when
they
hit
the
gate
to
understand
the
challenges
that
our
incarcerated
prison
population
were
faced
with
when
they
left
and
that
that
was
again
an
eye-opening
experience.
E
For
me,
there
was
a
complete
drop
off
at
that
time,
where
our
job
as
wardens
were,
you
know
to
get
them
out
of
you
know,
keep
them
keep
them
in
prison,
expose
them
to
some
programs,
but
then
once
they
hit
the
gate.
That
was
the
end
of
it,
and
so
that
that
inspired
me
and
when
I
had
an
opportunity
doing
the
general
administration
to
become
secretary.
C
D
Think
I
think
that
really
postured
you,
uniquely
when
you
did
become
secretary
of
you-
had
had
a
strong
finance
background
with
the
department
being
the
under
secretary
at
one
point,
so
really
that
the
person
in
charge
of
the
overall
budget
leading
this
agency
through
different
financial
times.
But
you
would
also
have
that
direct
policy
experience
as
well.
D
So
so
when,
when
you
became
secretary
or
even
in
those
prior
times,
there
were
some
some
broad
sweeping
policy
financial
policy
decisions
made
for
this
state
that
I
think
some
of
us,
we
would
say,
are
detrimental
and,
and
one
of
those
is
with
having
the
the
half
of
our
population
houses
the
local
level.
Can
you
talk
some
more
about
that?
How
that
kind
of
really
set
the
stage
for
our
system.
E
Yeah,
you
know,
and
and
as
everyone
probably
knows,
we
were
incarcerate-
you
know
highest
incarceration
in
the
world,
much
less
the
united
states
and
I'm
a
firm
believer
that
the
dramas
of
that
were
some
of
the
budget
issues
that
we
had
during
the
early
years.
In
the
80s
and
90s-
and
I
mentioned
you-
know-
I've
been
through
those
process,
the
war
on
drugs,
and
what
I
like
to
say
is
we
lost
that
war?
E
You
know
where
we
were
locking
up
everybody
and
throwing
away
the
key,
and
we
went
through
that
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
in
louisiana.
Unfortunately,
at
the
time
we
thought
it
was
a
cost
saving
measure
was
started,
housing,
our
state
population,
at
the
local
level,
in
partnership
with
sheriffs
they
they
could
go
out.
E
We
would
give
them
a
guaranteed
population,
they
could
go
out
bond
out
the
financing
of
building
a
facility
and,
of
course
we
would
guarantee
them
40
occupancy
and
that
you
know
we
thought
we
were
saving
money
at
the
time,
but
that
was
that
was
in
in
any
way.
You
look
at
that.
That
was
a
big
mistake
and
I
was
part
of
that.
I
mean
I
have
to
admit
that
I
was
part
of
that.
E
We
thought
we
were
saving
money,
but
in
the
long
run
we
were
costing
our
state
money
and
I
firmly
believe
that
that
was
that's.
That's
a
big
driver
of
our
highest
incarceration
state
in
the
country.
You
know-
and
you
know,
along
with
of
course,
our
draconian
statues
that
we
addressed
in
doing
doing
the
task
force
and
during
the
session
of
2018.
D
So
that
would
have
been
really
the
80s
and
90s
when
you
had
the
nationally
the
war
on
drugs
going
on
a
lot
of
convictions.
Our
population
was
was
tracking
upwards
right
and
we
didn't
have
enough
space
in
our
state
prison
facilities
to
house
the
influx.
So
instead
of
the
the
policy
decision
was
made
instead
of
building
more
state
prisons,
the
cost-saving
measure
would
be
to
house
at
a
lower
rate
at
the
local
jail.
E
E
Our
rate
at
the
local
level
is
26.39
at
the
state
level.
It's
somewhere
around
seventy
dollars
a
day,
so
it
averages
out
to
right
at
fifty
dollars
a
day
but
again
that
that
you
know
at
the
local
level.
Those
are
the
lower
level
nonviolent
offenders
that
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
and
don't
have
medical
mental
health
problems
so
that
that
part
of
it
works
out.
Okay,
the
part
that
was
a
challenging
part
is
no
programming
and,
and
that
that
is
one
of.
D
D
E
Local
jail
back
to
your
community
with
nothing,
absolutely
nothing.
At
least
in
the
state
prison
system.
We
were
giving
them
access
to
programming,
medical,
mental
health,
education,
vocational
programming,
whereas
at
the
local
level
that
wasn't
happening
again,
a
big
driver
in
our
highest
incarceration
rate-
and
I.
E
D
E
C
E
Fishing
management
system
that
and
of
course,
we've
been-
we
were
telling
the
administration
that
if
we
get
access
to
programming
at
the
local
level,
then
they're
going
to
earn
good
time
and
it's
going
to
reduce
our
prison
population.
So
they
brought
in
an
expert
and
they
did
an
evaluation
on
on
that
and
agreed.
And
so
they
allowed
us
to
invest
eight
to
nine
million
dollars
in
re-entry
centers
at
the
local
level
and
and.
E
That
was
the
full
criminal
justice
reform
and
we
saw
that's
when
our
prison
population,
we
saw
just
giving
them
access
to
roughly
eight
re-entry
centers.
If
you
discharged
through
out
of
a
parish
jail,
you
went
through
a
re-entry
center
and
got
at
least
some
exposure
of
ids
the
little
things
that
make
a
big
difference.
When
you
leave
a
prison
system,
helping
them
with
jobs,
a
place
to
live
and
all
the
things
that
that
are
required
if
you're
going
to
survive.
When
you
get
out
and
that's
that
that
works.
D
Yes,
so
that's
what
I
mean.
You
got
a
little
bit
ahead
of
me,
but
to
talk
about
how
that
very
difficult
situation
is
in
a
sense
to
in
an
attempt
to
cut
costs,
also
presented
a
unique
opportunity
for
corrections
where
you
were
able
to
pitch
the
idea
of
actually.
If
we
invest
money
rather
than
cutting
it,
we
we
could
see
a
real
measurable
savings,
which
was
the
creation
of
the
re-entry
centers
in
local
jails.
That's.
E
D
E
Exactly
I
mean
the
key
word
there
is
at
best
and
that
that's
the
term
that
that
we
use
a
lot
in
just
to
find
the
things
that
we're
doing
it's
an
investment
and
you
get
a
return
in
your
investment
and
and
we're
obviously
a
state
that
shows
that
yeah
there's
no
question
about
it.
We've
you
know
we're
on
the
verge
of
a
cumulative
savings
of
77
million
in
three
years.
E
77
million
dollars
in
three
years
projected
to
be
230,
I
believe,
by
few
and
10
years,
so
we're
ahead
of
the
game
with
that,
and
it's
been
a
real,
a
real
good
experience
for
for
our
department
and,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
I
think
by
amanda
that
this
is
not
just
about
the
money.
It's
changing
lives.
That's
what's
important
in
this.
Is
that
it
does
it
changes
lives.
E
D
So
going
back
and
you
touched
on
it
moving
on
to
about
what
we
did
with
jet
justice
reinvestment
initiative,
so
the
gems
initiative,
which
allowed
secretary
on
a
small
scale
to
start
investing
in
the
local
level
to
see
the
measurable
reduction
in
the
population,
which
in
turn
meant
we
were
paying
less
for
less
money
for
people
to
be
housed
at
the
local
jail.
So
you
measure
that
reduction
by
the
reduction
in
costs
for
the
less
people
being
housed.
D
That
really
set
the
stage
I
think
for
2015
and
for
the
the
the
argument
to
the
state
as
a
whole.
This
is
something
we
need
to
adopt
as
a
large-scale
policy
change
top-down
governor,
pushing
for
our
state
and
so
what,
when
we
started
going
back
to
2016
with
the
justice
reinvestment
task
force,
you
really
honed
in
on
what
you
you
thought
were
the
three
drivers
as
to
why
we
were
where
we
were
in
terms
of
still
having
the
highest
incarceration
rate.
D
E
Population
and
it
was
happening
and
look,
I
think
I
think
when
we
talk
about
the
task
force
and
being
chair
of
the
task
force.
It
was
a
good
representation.
You
know
from
all
from
crime
victims,
sheriffs
judges,
legislators
victim
advocates.
I
mean
it
was
a
good
representation
and
I
think
what
we
could
show
them
was
what
was
working
was
the
reentry,
centers
and,
of
course,
pew
being
involved
in
this
with
the
stats
and
the
data
saying,
look,
you
know,
look
at
look
at
florida.
You
know
look
at
what
they're
doing
there.
E
E
To
child
for
why
locking
up
people
forever
and
a
day
doesn't
work,
it's
not
working,
and
it
wasn't,
and
you
know
that's
really.
The
bottom
line
in
all
this
is
that
that
this
is
an
investment
in
people's
lives
and
and
people
need
to
understand
that
it's
you
know
if
we
don't
if
they
come
to
us
and
we
don't
make
a
change
in
their
life
that
this,
the
crime
rate
is
going
to
stay
where
it
is
or
get
higher.
E
D
And
and
honing
in
a
little
bit
more
on
the
probation
parole
side.
So,
as
you
mentioned
with,
we
were
faced
with
all
right.
More
than
50
percent
are
coming
back.
So
that's
telling
us
ultimately
if
they
were
in
prison,
something
isn't
working,
because
once
they
get
out
they're
coming
back
to
us
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
pew
worked
with
us
closely
on
and
the
task
force
was
the
idea
of
just
like
we
have
in
prison
where
you
have
an
incentive
to
to
do
to
comply
and
then
work.
D
E
You've
seen
the
numbers
work.
Yeah
I
mean
we
were.
We
were
at
70
right
at
72,
000
in
our
probation
pro
population
and
we're
below
40
000.
Today,
so
I
mean
we,
we
you're
talking
about
25
30
and
that
that
that's
a
big
part
of
it
and
and
remembering
that
the
recidivism
for
someone
who
gets
off
a
parole
successfully
on
probation
is
at
20
percent
versus
45
percent.
E
After
five
years
I
mean
that
I
mean
that
that's
again,
why
not
and
look
you
can't
forget
culture
here
I
mean
I
we
haven't
talked
about
that,
but
cultured
shift
in
a
in
a
department
like
this
is
is
difficult
and
you
have
to
be
patient
yeah.
You
have
to
be
very
patient,
but
it
is
a
culture
change
for
for
the
staff
and
probation
pro
our
correctional
officer
staff
and
bringing
them
on
communicating
all
the.
D
D
Well,
so,
going
back
to
the
thing
getting
me
off
track
to
summarize
really,
the
reforms
that
that
louisiana
instituted
on
the
legislative
side
had
touched
on
it
from
and
beth
touched
on
this
earlier,
that
dressing
sentences,
so
reducing
some
of
the
cynics
links
that
were
out
of
whack
with
the
rest
of
the
country,
opening
up
more
options
for
alternatives
to
incarceration.
So
judges
had
more
options
to
use
community
resources
addressing
some
of
the
parole
eligibility
issues
and
then
also
creating
compliance
credits
on
probation
parole.
D
All
these
things,
taken
together
were
projected
to
to
reduce
the
population,
which
in
turn,
means
where
our
budget
for
that
population
is
less.
That
leads
me
to
the
money
side.
So
not
only
do
we
make
those
changes,
but
the
the
jri
package
requires
that
any
savings
realized
not
just
be
swept
taken
from
the
department,
but
but
a
component
of
it
be
reinvested
back
into
programs
that
we
know.
D
B
D
E
More
importantly,
getting
involved
and
communicating
with
our
community
grant
providers
and
and
them
doing,
inreach
coming
in
and
meeting
with
with
people
that
are
leaving
our
system
product
to
going
home.
All
that
and
and
then
we
caught
up
two
years
of
victim
reparation.
You
know,
I
mean
two
years
we
caught
up
in
getting
victims
paid
with
the
money
so
that
you
know
that
keeps
them
involved.
D
E
Yeah
I
mean
so
yeah
you
couldn't
spread
the
money
out
two
things.
It
wouldn't
be
good,
so
we
concentrated
on
the
larger
areas
that
were
that
were
feeding
the
system,
orleans,
east
baton,
rouge
jefferson,
parish,
caddo
parish,
shreveport
and
in
the
monroe
area
that
there
were
five
areas
that
were
basically
almost
50
of
our
prison
population.
E
A
D
E
I
mean
you
had
yet
I
mean,
as
far
as
what
was,
for
example,
I
can
give
you
some
specifics.
Is
that
on
the
vocational
side
of
things
with
truck
simulators,
you
know
those
those
sorts
of
things
for
truck
driving
simulators
for
heavy
equipment,
which
was
high,
demand
jobs.
We
looked
at
doing
that.
You
know
and
just
just
expanding
what
we
were
already
doing
in
the
welding
programs.
All
that
was
was
expanded
into
doing
things
that
we
weren't
doing
before
and
as
far
as
the
communities
go.
E
You
know
that
that
was
an
area
of
you
know
we
felt
like
we
could.
We
could
make
a
difference
with
with
the
groups
that
were
out
there
that
were
providing.
You
know
the
in
reach
programs
that
they
there
was
no
communications
whatsoever,
so
we
opened
up
that
line
as
you.
You
were
involved
in
that
with
nicole
in
them,
and
I
thought
that
was
a
good
idea
and
then
the
victims
I
mean
there
was
no.
I
don't
think
there
was
any
other
percentages
were
done
by
statute
right.
D
Yes,
and
just
to
recap
that
the
allocation
of
areas
are
dictated
by
the
statute,
but
doc
had
some
flexibility
in
terms
of
how
we
we
approached
that
and
what
he's
referencing
with
the
community
side.
That
was
something
completely
different
and
new
for
dfc,
so
we
allocated
internal
reinvestment
and
then
a
portion
of
the
savings
was
given
to
partner
with
community
providers
and
and
doc
in
louisiana.
We
had
never
been,
we
had.
We
were
recipients
of
funding,
federal
or
obviously
the
state
budget,
but
in
terms
of
granting
out
funds.
D
E
D
E
E
You
know
now
we
have
to
carry
the
money
forward
every
year
and-
and
we
have
not
had
one
vote
against
carrying
this
money
forward
because
they
see
the
results
they
see
our
prison
population
down
and
see
our
probation
and
pro
population
down.
They
see
our
incarceration
is
going
from
800
and
870
to
less
than
600
580..
E
E
You
know
less
people
coming
back
to
prison
it.
It's
proves
in
the
pudding
guys.
I
mean
it's
not
not
rocket
science.
This
is
it's
working
and
and
it's
an
investment,
as
we've
already
said-
and
I
I
just
I
can't
imagine
the
state
that
wouldn't
want
to
do
this,
and
I
read
articles
here
and
there
where
states
are
voting
now,
reform
efforts,
but
they
need
louisiana
could
be
used
as
as
opposed
to
child
for
where
it's
working
and
doing
the
right
things,
because
I
I
mean
I
mean.
D
It's
happening
yeah
and
then
the
last
area
I
want
to
touch
on
with
the
reinvestment
is
the
importance
of
reinvesting
back
into
to
your
crime
victims,
your
crime,
victim
services-
and
you
mentioned
one
of
the
things
we
were
able
to
do-
is
directly
fund
the
reparations
fund.
So
that's
that's
a
statute
on
the
books
that
allows
for
a
person
who's,
a
victim
of
a
crime
to
receive
reparations,
whether
it
was
hospital
bills
lost
wages,
and
then
that
had
been
significantly
underfunded
over
the
last
decade,
because
it's
funded
by
by
court,
fines
and
fees.
D
So
that
was
a
great
opportunity,
but
but
why
also
just
from
a
financial
perspective?
Is
that
critical
for
states
to
to
to
put
money
into?
I
think
you
know
looking
at
this
holistically,
not
just
from
addressing
the
from
addressing
the
the
the
prison
population
side,
but
also
making
sure
that
the
people
who
are
who
are
victims
of
these
crimes
are
made
whole
and
the
prevention
side
and
that's
kind
of
what
we're
doing
in
baton
rouge,
with
with
prevention,.
E
To
the
days
we
were
going
out
to
the
communities
and
meeting
and
discussing
the
things
that
we
were
talking
about
in
the
task
force
and
bringing
victims
together
and
helping
them
understand
what
we're
trying
to
do
we're
trying
to
reduce
victims.
Have
we
done
this
10
years
ago?
You
would
not
be
a
victim
today,
you
may
not
be
a
victim
today.
You
know,
there's
no
guarantees
in
anything
that
we
do
but
they're
less
victims
by
by
investing
money
and
keeping
them
on
board.
With
what
we're
doing
I
mean
that
that's
part
of
it.
C
E
D
D
I
find
every
session
there's
the
first
year,
I
would
say
the
first
year
after
after
the
changes,
there
were
a
lot
of
different
bills
in
every
direction
to
just
kind
of
poke.
At
individual
changes
we
made
whether
it
was
sentence,
changes
and
that's
kind
of
tapered
off,
but
now
there's
kind
of
more
like
pieces
that
pack
a
punch,
for
example
this
year
with
the
a
truth
in
sentencing
so-called.
E
D
E
E
So
we
don't
have
life
with
parole
in
this
state.
It
doesn't
exist
so
there
are
some
pushes
to
to
address
the
life
of,
and
I
think
the
da's
when
that
happens,
then
the
da's
see
well,
if
you
want
to
push
that,
then
we're
going
to
push
this
and
part
of
that
is
what
happened
with
truth
and
sentencing
is
that
you
know
you
go
back
to
85
percent
mandatory.
You
know
doing
85
percent
of
your
time
versus
35
for
nine
dollars
and
they
made
that
attempt,
but
they
worked
that
out.
E
E
E
E
Why
don't
we
at
least
if
it's
not
prospective
or
not
retroactive
but
perspective?
Let's
have
life
with
parole.
I
mean
why
can't
we
have
that
in
louisiana
when,
when
you
do
the
sentencing,
then
then
it's
there.
If
you
can
use
it
between
the
da's
and
the
victims
and
and
defense
attorneys,
you
know
that's
something
can
be
worked
out,
but
all
in
all
you
know,
I
think
I
think
people
are
on
board
with
what
we're
doing
in
louisiana.
E
D
And
you
bring
up
another
cost.
Saving
measure
issue
with
with
a
high
high
cost,
is
the
older
population
so
with
louisiana
being
one
of
the
remaining
states
that
life
means
life?
You
have
an
elderly,
aging
population
that
comes
with
a
lot
of
medical
care
expenses
and
our
reforms
for
the
most
part
addressed
your
non-violent
shorter
serving.
But
this
was
an
area
that
that
you
do
hope
in
the
future
that
louisiana
will
address.
As
we
see
the
fruit
of
the
other
changes,
I.
E
Do
I
I
you
know
I
put
that
on
the
table
during
the
task
force
and
it
didn't
stay
on
the
table
very
long.
If
I
was
going
to
get
anywhere,
I
could
see
that
I
was
going
to
have
some
issues
and
I
had
to
take
it
off
the
table.
To
some
extent
we
did
the
70s
group
where
they
did
have
life
with
parole
when
they
took
it
away
from
them,
and
we
got
it
back
so
that
that
was
a
that
was
a
kind
of
crack
in
the
door.
E
They
get
a
chance
to
get
out,
they
don't
come
back
and
we
we
see
that,
and
I
think
everybody
sees
that
and
that's
important.
So
again,
when
I
I
went
back
when
I
talked
about
being
patient,
we
have
to
be
patient
here
and
and
making
sure
it's
the
right
time
and
doing
the
right
thing,
and
but
hopefully
before
my
10
years
up
we'll
we'll
have
some
some
things
to
do.
To
address
that.
E
I
made
a
few
notes
for
next
year's
obsession
already
the
things
that
we
need
to
be
doing
and
looking
at
to
make
some
changes
for
that
group
of
people.
We
lose
about
10
a
month
that
die
from
from
natural
causes,
and-
and
I
mean
I
toured
I
was
at
state
penitentiary
yesterday-
making
rounds
in
the
hospital
and
I'm
telling
you
if
you
can
see
a
vid
if
I
could
show
y'all
what's
in
those
beds
at
the
hospital
at
angola.
What's
what's
in
our
hospice
program
at
angola,
you
would
wonder
why
the
heck,
if
nothing.
D
They're
not
a
risk
to
public
safety
and
states.
We
would
definitely
you
know,
advise
states
to
consider
those
things,
that's
something
we
did
within
our
reforms,
medical
treatment,
furlough
so
allow
you
know
right
when
you,
when
you
transfer
someone
out
into
a
hospice
type
of
setting,
you
can
draw
down
the
medicaid
dollars.
So
you
know
that's
just
the
financial
component,
there's
certainly
the
public
safety,
but
that's
certainly
something
that
other
states
can
look
at
as
well.
Well.
D
Lastly,
I
think
really
to
just
solidifying
everything
that
we've
done
and
you
talked
a
little
bit
earlier
about
the
culture
change
and
just
many
shifts
that
have
gone
on
in
our
department.
I
think
your
focus
now
is
more
on
the
correctional
side,
the
staffing
side,
ensuring
that
you
have
quality
people,
so
that
involves
petitioning
for
pay
raises
for
higher
increases
and
but
there's
a,
but
ultimately
that
leads
to
quality
services.
E
Yeah,
you
know,
I
know
we're
probably
getting
close
to
running
out
of
time
here,
but
I
you
know
just
real
quickly:
yeah
retention
and
recruitment
of
staff.
That's
a
national
issue
in
every
state.
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
I
don't
think,
there's
a
state
not
dealing
with
that.
We
we
do
have
in
our
budget
and
got
out
of
senate
finance
tuesday
a
pay
raise
for
our
correctional
officer,
which
is
a
10
pay,
raise,
plus
some
retention
paid
per
hour
pay.
If
you
show
up
which
we
need
and
it's
important.
E
The
important
part
of
that
is
if
we
can
attract
better
staff,
talk
to
our
gates
to
interview,
that's
going
to
have
an
impact
on
the
people
that
that
are
incarcerated.
It
works
both
ways.
It's
not
just
about
the
staff
getting
more
money.
It's
about
getting
the
right
people
interviewing
and
the
contraband
is
a
big
issue,
introduction
of
contraband.
Unfortunately,
you
know
it's
staff
related
and
in
most
cases
and
that's
a
big
issue,
so
you
know.
E
That
we
need
to
improve
that
every
state
needs
to
improve
that
everybody's
struggling
with
that
right
now-
and
you
know
it's
a
shame,
but
our
correctional
officers
that
work
in
our
prison
system
don't
get
enough
respect
in
our
communities
from
from
the
public
for
what
they
do
day
in
and
day
out,
people
lose
track
of
that
working
behind
these
fences.
24
7
365,
is
not
a
it's
a
difficult
job,
very
difficult
job
in
louisiana.
We
don't
have
air
conditioning,
there's
no
air
conditioning
in
our
prison
system,
so
we
got.
E
D
So
the
environment
yeah,
investing
in
the
appropriate
pay
scales
and
again,
like
you,
said,
that's
not
just
about
getting
people
more
money,
it's
ultimately
being
able
to
provide
the
service
that
generates
the
results
that
we
want
as
a
state
for
people.
Don't
worry
we're
under
time
we're
five
minutes,
but
but
I'll
with
that,
I
think
that
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you.
I
I
hope
we
covered
everything
just
to
give
people
really
a
snapshot
of
really
the
historical
context
here
for
louisiana.
D
E
I
mean
the
governor
makes
a
big
difference.
I
you
know,
as
natalie
mentioned,
you
know
I
was
with
governor
jim
though,
who
ended
up
running
for
president.
That
was
I'm
very
honestly,
very
difficult
times
for
for
our
department,
governor
edwards
now
is
a
democratic
governor
and
a
little
bit
like
night
and
day.
You
know
I
mean
it's,
it's
good
to
have
the
support
from
the
top
down
when
you
try
to
do
things
like
this
and
right.
E
E
C
E
Of
things
that
are
important
in
that
is
that
communications
and-
and
we
have
done
a
so
much
better
job
of
communicating
with
our
staff,
making
sure
that
they
they
they
are,
have
input
into
what
we're
doing
from
the
front
lines.
So
now
that
that
is,
that
is
so
important
for
people
to
understand
that
communications
in
a
big
agency
like
that
is
a
key
to
culture,
change
and
so
we're
improving
that
and
look
that
technology
has
helped
us
an
awful
lot
with
that.
Just
like
this,
no,
I
didn't
know
what
that
word
meant
anyway.
C
No,
absolutely,
and-
and
you
know,
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
because
it
reinforces
that
so
much
of
these
efforts
are
dependent
not
only
on
the
sort
of
black
and
white
on
paper,
changing
the
language
of
a
statute,
but
also
on
the
more
human
and
discretionary
aspects
of
how
a
system
operates.
So
I
am
actually
going
to
just
pass
the
mic
straight
back
over
to
amanda
to
lead
the
q
a
and
thank
you
both
so
much
for
that
very
interesting
discussion.
B
Yeah,
we've
actually
gotten
a
couple
questions
in
the
chat
box
and
just
a
quick
plug
anyone
else.
Please
put
them
in,
but
so
the
first
question
we
have
here
is:
if
asking,
if
you
can
explain
re-entry
centers
versus
treatment
in
jails
versus
jail
contracting
in
general,
just
kind
of
the
distinction
there.
What
specifically
louisiana
does
now
or
if
it's
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
all
of
the
above
okay
yeah.
That's.
E
A
that's
a
good
question,
so
the
re-entry
centers
are.
Actually
we
didn't
that
one
additional
bids,
the
re-entry
center
was
where
we
went
into
a
like
orleans
parish,
for
example,
all
these
in
jefferson.
We
actually
ended
up
using
plaquemines
parish
because
they
had
built
a
brand
new
facility
down
there
after
katrina
and
it
was
available
and
they
weren't
using
it.
So
what
we
did
was
is
that
we
we
contracted
with
the
sheriffs
for
that
reentry
center,
that
that
was
down
there,
but
like
in
east
baton
rouge,
for
example.
We
just
expanded
what.
D
E
Were
already
doing
it
as
a
reentry
center,
when
I
say
expanded,
I
mean
vocational
educational
dollar
pre-release,
all
the
things
that
that
they
needed
before
they
release
again.
No,
we
didn't
build
any.
We
haven't
built
any
beds
in
louisiana
and
believe
me,
we
don't
have
any
plans
on
building
anymore,
so
it's
an
existing
jail
that
houses,
an
inmate.
C
E
Standards
that
we
use
to
provide
oversight
and
basic
you
know
with
the
basic
jail
guard,
allows
which
is
about
140
different
guidelines
and
we
go
out
and
we
audit
them
at
least
once
a
year,
and
they
have
they
have
to
pass.
The
audit
there's
some
mandatory,
non-mandatory
sort
of
like
american
correctional
association,
accreditation.
D
D
Well,
so
the
when
we
say
we
designated
a
region
as
a
re-entry
center,
so
it
would
be
a
place
where
they
were
just
going
back
to
when
we
started
this.
There
is
a
parish
jail
that
houses
doc
inmates.
Now,
when
it's
a
reentry
center,
that
means
the
person
in
that
bed
in
their
last
six
months
prior
to
release,
is
getting
a
gamut
of
programming,
pre-release
programming
to
prepare
them
for
re-entry.
D
E
I
mean
it's
a
little
bit
complicated
in
that,
if
I'm
from
orleans
parish
and
I
I
could
be
housed
in
north
louisiana
and
monroe
in
ouachita
parish,
whereas
now
before
they
would
just
discharge
out
of
monroe
jail
back
to
orleans
on
the
streets.
Now
they
go
to
a
re-entry
center
in
orleans
before
they
go
home.
So,
whereas,
before
we
discharged
15
000
people
a
year,
12
000
discharged
out
of
power
ships,
all
of
our
prisoners
were
discharging
out
of
paris
jails
with
nothing
I
mean
with
nothing.
E
I
mean
again
that
that's
what
we
need,
that
that
was
a
driver
for
us.
You
know,
and
so
again
it
wasn't
rocket
science.
I
mean
it
was
my
first
thought
came
to
mind:
why
can't
we
do
re-entry
centers
and
at
least
provide
re-entry
centers
before
they
go
home
for
six
months
or
a
year
whatever
it
takes,
but
you
gotta
have
turnovers,
so
you
can
keep
beds
to
keep
them
moving.
You
know,
so
that's
what
the
re-entry
centers.
D
And
I
think
the
takeaway
for
another
state
whose
system
looks
a
little
bit
differently,
is
bottom
line.
Taking
if
you
have
funds
to
invest
into
putting
it
into
pre-release
re-entry
programming,
so
that
last
six
months
prior
to
release
is
really
critical
in
making
sure
as
many
people
as
possible
get
some
re-entry
programming
at
the
minimum
before
they
leave.
E
And
we
didn't
talk
a
lot
about
probation
and
pro,
but
again,
probation
pros
are
key
to
all
this
too.
I
mean
you
got
to
have
them
on
board
and
we
talk
about
cultural
change
that
that's
another
bigger
issue
and
we've
had
that
in
probation
pro
it's
been
a
complete
turnaround
on
how
they
operate
now,
I
want
to
make
them
successful.
Not
I
want
to
put
them
back
in
jail
to
make
my
job
a
little
easier,
so
that.
B
E
E
Probation
pro
district
office,
where
we're
piloting,
18
and
24
year
old,
that
are
on
probation
on
parole
and
I
look
out
an
audience
and
there's
about
15
to
20
guys
sitting
out
there
all
african-americans
between
20
and
24,
and
I
explained
to
staff
they
need
our
help,
they
need
help,
and-
and
so
why?
Wouldn't
we
want
to
make
a
culture
shift
here
to
help
these
people?
E
You
know
I
mean
that
that's
a
simple
way
of
putting
it,
but
that
that's
the
way
it
works
and
so
that
in
in
training
you
know,
I
think
training
is
important
in
all
this
and
and
getting
them
on
the
right
track.
We
have
turned
our
training
over
we're
in
the
middle
of
completely
overhauling
our
training
in
all
of
different
areas,
including
our
leadership,
training,
one's
training,
security
officer,
training,
getting
them.
You
know
getting
exposed
to
the
culture
before
they
hit
the
post.
B
Well
so
then,
another
question
we've
gotten
here
from
ellen
raven
is
what
were
the
biggest
political
challenges
to
passing
these
reforms
kind
of
initially
and
how
were
they
overcome?
I
think
you
can
really
give
us
great
perspective,
as
kind
of
being
one
of
the
heads
of
that
jri
work
in
your
state
as
well.
E
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
it
goes
back
to
what
I
said
on
the
task
force,
having
the
right
people
on
the
task
force
and
conservatives
and
and
and
there
were
democrats
and
a
little
bit
of
everybody
on
that
task
force.
And
we
came
to
a
consistent
to
include
da's,
which
is
important,
and
you
know
if
you
get.
E
D
Yeah,
I
think,
having
a
what
you
know,
the
task
force
consisted
of
of
all
the
different
political
stakeholders
from
from
every
side
of
the
spectrum,
our
biggest
probably
the
biggest
initial
opponents
would
have
been
the
district
attorney
somewhat
the
the
sheriffs,
but
but
we
were
able
to
work
with
all
of
them
on
their
concerns
and
then
certainly,
I
think
what
was
so
critical
here
is
having
the
the
support
of
the
business
community
right
for
us
here
in
louisiana.
It
was
smart
on
crime
right
on
crime.
D
Those
groups
really
seeing
the
the
the
fiscal
component
of
it
and
just
better
use
of
tax
dollars,
and
it
really
ultimately
became
a
bipartisan
issue.
I
think,
for
that
reason
you,
you
know
you
had
those
moments
where
you
had
the
aclu,
the
he
had
the
aclu
the
da's
and
then
the
business
community
all
up
at
the
table
all
in
support
of
the
same
bill,
so
it
was
pretty
monumental.
In
that
sense,.
E
Yeah
and
pew
obviously
was
a
big
help.
I
mean
we
I
said
earlier.
We
couldn't
have
done
it
without
them.
They
helped
bring
people
together
and
meeting
with
the
right
people
and
providing
the
data
and
showing
what
other
states
are
doing.
You
know
that
helped
a
lot
and
saying
look
what
they're
doing
in
south
carolina.
You
know
it's
working,
so
they.
B
Wonderful
now,
as
we're
talking
about
some
of
pew's
work
there,
I
do
want
to
ask
you
a
question
beth,
as
we
keep
talking
about
justice,
reinvestment
and
we're
hearing
this
from
secretary
natalie
as
well
the
importance
of
the
reinvestment
piece.
So
can
you
maybe
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
some
of
the
approaches
other
states
have
taken
when
it
comes
to
this
reinvestment.
C
Yeah
absolutely-
and
I
think
secretary
leblanc
did
a
wonderful
job
explaining
some
of
the
intricacies
of
how
this
has
worked
in
louisiana.
So
I
I
will
bring
up
a
couple
of
other
state
examples,
but
I
do
want
to
note
that
louisiana
is
fairly,
I
believe,
unique,
or
at
least
rare
among
the
states
that
we've
worked
with
in
terms
of
having
the
legislative
package
include
a
bill
specifically
about
how
reinvestment
is
calculated
and
how
it's
dispersed.
C
And
so
secretary
mentioned
this.
But
so
I
won't
spend
too
much
time
on
the
detail,
but
it
does
have
a
sort
of
schema
for
how
how
to
calculate
the
savings
and
then
how
to
what
portion
of
them
gets
reinvested
where
what
portion
goes
into
the
general
fund
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
we
have
seen
in
practice
that
that's
a
great
approach,
because
it
kind
of
just
does
away
with
what.
C
In
some
instances,
we
have
seen
as
sort
of
annual
or
semi-annual
battles
over
reinvestment
funding
as
the
legislative
desire
to
find
money
in
other
parts
of
of
the
executive
branch
or
whatever
may
kind
of
jeopardize.
The
smooth
reinvestment
of
those
funds.
Louisiana
has
been
able
to
sidestep
a
lot
of
that
because
of
having
this
very
explicit
bill
pertaining
to
reinvestment.
C
So
a
couple
of
other
states
where
we've
seen
a
similar
approach
be
be
introduced,
is
in
our
juvenile
work.
In
kansas,
they
passed
a
law
in
2016
called
senate
bill
367
that
included
a
wide
range
of
juvenile
justice
reforms
that
I
will
not
get
into
the
details
in
the
interest
of
time
on
here,
but
it
included
language
that
protects
the
reinvestment
funding
and
requires
that
the
money
that
is
saved
through
population
reductions
be
invested
into
evidence-based
community-based
programs.
C
Utah
saw
what
kansas
was
doing
and
decided
to
introduce
a
similar
approach
on
their
juvenile
reforms
from
2017,
and
so
in
utah
representative
lowry,
snow,
who
the
attendees
from
utah
I'm
sure
are
familiar
with.
Who
was
a
wonderful
legislative
champion
of
the
reforms
he
has
kind
of
built
on
the
2017
reforms
year
over
year
and
in
2019
that
included
a
bill
that
has
a
similar
sort
of
lock
box
mechanism
to
protect
the
cost
savings
that
are
achieved
through
population
reduction
and
ensure
that
they
are
as
intended,
reinvested
into
the
community-based
programming.
B
Wonderful,
thank
you,
and
I
don't
know
if
we
have
any
other
questions
I'll
give
it
a
second
see.
If
anybody
puts
anything
in
here,
oh
and
we
have
alex
wilson
offer,
he
said
he
wrote
the
formula-
sorry
alex.
I
guess
it
could
be
heishi,
I'm
not
sure,
but
wrote
that
formula.
If
you
have
questions
reach
out
so
there
we
go.
B
There's
alex
thank
you
for
that
offer
so
alex
great
work
love
when
we
have
some
of
those
connections
we
can
make,
and
with
that
I
think
the
one
thing
I
would
ask
natalie
is
secretary
obama.
If
you
want
to
give
kind
of
a
last
wrap-up
message,
you
want
to
send
home
with
everybody.
That's
here
on
the
call,
I'd
love
to
give
you
that
opportunity.
E
It's
important
for
people
to
know,
and
you
know
it's
like
the
money
helps
I
mean
it.
You
know
the
savings
part
of
this
is
as
was
mentioned
in
y'all
in
your
powerpoints.
You
know
we,
we
spent
a
lot
of
money
on
corrections
and
we
need
to
get
a
better
better
response
from
that
investment
and-
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
way
to
do
that.
In
my
opinion
and
again.
E
C
And
if
I
can
just
jump
in
there,
thank
you
secretary
for
that
very
kind
plug
of
our
work.
So
you
all
may
or
may
not
be
familiar
with
that
at
the
public
safety
performance
project.
We
have
been
winding
down
our
work
on
adult
sentencing
in
prisons,
but
we
have
partners
at
the
crime
and
justice
institute
and
at
the
center
for
state
governments
that
that
continue
to
do
that
sort
of
adult
jri
work
with
through
our
partnership
with
the
justice
department.
C
We
have
been
focusing
more
on
our
new
lines
of
work,
including
jails
in
pre-trial
and
amanda,
did
a
great
job
teeing
up
our
work
in
michigan
over
the
last
year,
and
we
continue
to
maintain
a
focus
on
community
supervision
as
well.
So
please,
anyone
who
is
curious
about
learning
more
of
course
feel
free
to
poke
around
our
website.
A
Okay,
well,
I
will
just
also
add
my
thanks
to
all
our
speakers
and
also
to
all
of
you
in
the
audience
for
participating
and
thanks
again
to
pew
for
their
support
of
this
work
and
just
a
couple
reminders.
Again.
This
session
was
recorded
and
it
will
be
on
our
website
in
a
few
days,
and
our
next
session
is
in
two
weeks.