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ASLCS Discussion: The Show Must Go On: Legislative Sessions During a Pandemic
A
Over
that's
fine
with
me
and
we
can
sort
of
keep
the
questions
going,
but
in
respect
to
the
folks
that
people
who
have
prepared
some
remarks
need
some
time
to
do
that,
I
just
kind
of
want
to
make
sure
we
have
a
quick
start
here.
So
welcome
to
all
the
folks.
My
name
is
tim
secaric.
I
am
the
chief
clerk
of
the
oregon
house
of
representatives
here
to
be
just
sort
of
the
panel
moderator,
mostly
for
this
discussion.
Before
we
begin
with
the
panel.
A
B
Thanks
very
much
tim
first
off,
I
just
want
to
say
good
afternoon
and
good
morning
to
everyone.
Thank
you
for
taking
time
out
of
your
day
to
be
with
us
here
today.
Obviously,
despite
the
the
fact
that
our
pds
was
postponed
until
next
year,
we
we
still
thought
that
it
was
important
to
get
together
and
and
have
some
program
opportunities.
I
know
many
of
you
participated
in
breakouts
the
other
day.
You
know
I
I
know
for
for
the
principal
clerks.
B
B
Thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work
and
your
continued
work
for
us,
you're,
welcome,
and,
and
with
that
I
I
again
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
taking
your
time
today.
If
you,
if
you
do,
have
questions,
I
I
certainly
encourage
you
to
to
stick
around
and
participate
as
fully
as
you'd,
like
I'm
very
excited
to
hear
about
proxy
voting.
A
People
have
handled
things
in
your
states,
and
so
the
idea
for
this
presentation
is
to
sort
of
describe
what
we
did
in
in
each
of
our
states.
The
four
panelists-
and
maybe
some
lessons
learned
from
that
and
then
maybe
there'll,
be
some
questions
from
those
of
you
who
have
tried
something
different
or
a
suggestion,
even
from
those
who
have
tried
something
different.
That
would
help
us
perfect
our
state.
So
I
hope
this
is
a
learning
opportunity
and
that
what
you
can
gain
from
us
is
both.
A
You
know
the
things
that
went
well
and
the
things
that
didn't
go
well,
why
didn't
things
go
according
to
plan
and
how
could
all
of
us
do
a
better
job
serving
our
our
our
bodies
across
the
country?
So
I
have
about
eight
slides
that
I
want
to
cover
of
that
deal
with
the
oregon
two
special
sessions
in
the
in
the
era
of
covid.
A
I'm
going
to
try
to
do
this
in
less
than
10
minutes
to
respect
the
other
panelists.
Then
after
me
will
be
the
idaho
kerry
mullin
from
the
house
in
idaho.
Who
will
talk
about
a
similar
setup
in
the
sense
that
we
were
located
in
our
building,
but
we
did
some
things
to
try
to
comply
with
the
social
distancing
protocols.
What
went
well
what
didn't
there
and
why
then
we'll
have
john
holman
from
illinois?
They
did
something
that
several
of
the
others
of
you
have
done,
which
is
take
their
body
off
campus.
A
They
set
themselves
up
at
their
convention
center
and
you
can
talk
about
the
process.
What
they
learned
about
that
and
describe.
You
know
why
it
was
that
it
was
twice
the
budget
that
they
thought
it
was
going
to
be,
and
then
finally,
the
lovely
and
talented,
sabrina
llewellyn
is
going
to
talk
to
us
about
how
they
handled
it,
which
was
slightly
different
in
similar
respects
to
paul's
reaction
to
it.
I
I
don't
even
I
can't
imagine
proxy
voting
and
they
did
also
batch
voting,
so
they
would
vote
on
multiple
bills.
A
At
the
same
time,
maybe
that's
familiar
to
you
and
I
know
that
other
states
have
done
that
sort
of
thing
in
oregon.
That's
just
very
alien,
and
so
it's
a
very
interesting
thought
and
I'm
very
anxious
to
get
along
to
that
point.
So
those
are
the
ideas
we
will
try
to
watch
the
chat
and
so
we'll
keep
everybody
muted,
there's
a
hundred
of
us.
A
So
it's
gonna
be
quite
chaotic
if
everybody
speaks,
but
you
know
we'll
try
to
watch
the
chat
and
read
the
questions
from
the
chat
to
the
people
as
they're
going
holly
is
going
to
sort
of
be
monitoring
that,
particularly
while
I'm
giving
the
pre
my
part
of
the
presentation
and
then
I'll
try
and
monitor
that,
while
the
others
are
doing
that
and
holly
can
as
well,
and
I
think
we're
encouraging
you
is
to
ask
your
questions.
You
know
in
the
moment
you
don't
have
to
wait
until
any
of
us
are
done.
A
You
can
ask
a
question
in
the
moment
and
we'll
focus
on
the
things
that
are
either
unclear
or
would
be
more
interesting
to
you
for
us
to
focus
on.
Hopefully
we
can
get
this
done
in
you
know
an
hour
or
so
and
leave
plenty
of
time
for
dialogue
and
questions.
Obviously
that's
the
goal,
but
we'll
see
how
it
works
in
practice.
A
Does
that
make
sense
to
everybody?
Why
don't
I
just
begin,
then,
with
mine
I
am
going
to
screen
share.
This
is
not
my
forte,
but
I
am
going
to
share
a
powerpoint
presentation.
Let
me
expand
that
to
the
full
screen
and
there
we
go.
Look
at
me,
so
the
oregon
house
of
representatives
has
had
two
special
sessions
in
june
and
then
in
august
and
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
about
how
we
constructed
those
special
sessions
to
work
within
the
parameters
of
our
state
approach
to
dealing
with
the
coveted
pandemic.
A
So
we
have
to
be
physically
present
in
the
building.
According
to
our
constitution,
to
conduct
business,
there
is
a
provision
of
our
constitution
that
allows
us
to
be
remote,
but
those
provision,
the
the
terms
of
that
are
that
it's
what
they
call
a
catastrophic
disaster
and
there's
about
eight
different
examples
of
what
a
catastrophic
disaster
would
be.
Health
emergencies
are
one
of
them,
so
we
could
have
chosen
to
do
this
remotely
and
there
was
substantial
talk
and
thought
that
went
into
that
plan.
A
Until
we
worked
through
to
the
point
where
we
discovered
that
there's
another
mechanism
in
oregon's
law
making
process,
we
call
the
emergency
board
oregon
used
to
be
a
state
that
met
every
other
year
for
a
limited
period
of
time.
And
then,
during
the
interim
we
had
this
thing
called
the
e-board
that
would
dispense
money
under
emergency
circumstances
to
state
agencies,
so,
for
example,
in
oregon,
we
never
really
know
how
much
we're
going
to
be
spending
on
wildfires
every
year.
A
So,
instead
of
just
allotting
funds
to
to
a
state
agency
and
letting
it
go
for
two
years,
we
kept
those
monies
in
a
fund
that
the
e-board
would
dispense
now
the
e-board
constitutionally
cannot
meet
if
the
legislature
is
in
session,
so
we
decided
that
we
would
have
special
sessions
in
the
normal
course
be
physically
present
and
then
do
the
e-board
when
we're
not
in
a
session,
so
that
required
us
to
be
physically
present
and
yet
socially
distant.
How
are
we
going
to
do
that?
A
A
Now
a
member
can
have
more
than
one
personal
staff
in
oregon,
but
there's
only
one
space
available
for
their
personal
staff
when
the
members
are
on
the
floor,
so
that
puts
us
at
120
people
out
there,
potentially
at
any,
given
time,
keep
in
mind
that
also
in
the
room,
the
partisan
caucus
staff
may
sit
in
the
back
of
the
chamber.
So
if
you
can
see
my
cursor,
this
is
the
basically
the
republican
side.
A
It's
not
necessarily
the
republican
side,
but
that's
the
sort
of
the
way
it's
all
worked
out
and
the
republican
caucus
staff
would
sit
in
the
back
over
there.
The
democrats
would
have
eight
or
so
people
sitting
in
the
back
of
their
side
of
the
room.
The
public
may
sit
up
here
in
the
third
floor
gallery
it
kind
of
works
as
a
u-shape.
As
you
can
imagine,
the
press
sits
on
the
floor.
A
If
they
want
to
here's
a
press
person
sitting
at
a
press
desk,
they
may
sit
on
the
floor
they're
all
often
up
in
the
gallery
as
well.
We
have
us,
we
call
ourselves
the
desk
staff,
and
so
here
we
are
up
at
the
lower
tier
of
the
rostrum,
there's
four
of
us
on
normally
there,
the
presiding
officer
and
presiding
officer
staff.
Up
at
that
level,
then
we
have
what
we
call
floor
staff
which
would
be
pages
door
things
of
that
nature.
There's
about
five
of
us.
A
So
it's
a
lot
of
people
obviously
way
more
than
is
a
capacity
for
for
this
room.
Under
the
coveted
circumstances,
we
can
get
six
feet
distance
side
to
side,
but
you
cannot
get
six
feet
distance
front
to
back.
If
you
can
understand
that,
so
that
became
the
central
issue
of
the
course
that
we
had
to
deal
with,
and
how
did
we
deal
with
that?
A
We
made
four
major
changes
on
top
of
the
changes
that
would
have
been
made,
ordinarily
for
a
legislative
special
session
special
sessions
different
from
a
regular
session
in
oregon.
I
suppose
that's
true
everywhere,
there's
different,
it's
more
an
expedited
process.
So,
there's
a
lot
of
changes
that
go
just
naturally
with
a
special
session
in
and
that
sort
of
made
it
a
little
bit
easier
to
do.
The
other
changes
necessary
to
live
with
each
other
in
the
covid
arrangement.
So
what
we
exp,
like
a
lot
of
folks,
have
done.
A
We
expanded
the
concept
of
what
the
useful
chamber
is.
It's
no
longer
just
the
floor,
but
also
those
side
aisles
and
that
upper
gallery
we
allowed
that
we
changed
the
access
to
the
room
from
the
public
and
the
press
and
the
member
staff
and
the
committee
staff
and
all
the
other
people
that
needed
to
be
in
the
room
usually
to
serve
the
members
and
to
meet
with
them
while
they're
there.
We
limited
that
quite
substantially.
A
We
changed
how
members
would
call
get
in
the
queue
to
speak
to
a
bill,
and
we
greatly
lengthened
the
time
allowed
for
members
to
represent
you
know
and
the
way
that
they
could
represent
to
us
that
they
wanted
to
speak
to
a
bill
so
that,
if
they
weren't
in
the
room
at
the
time
they
could
be,
we
could.
We
would
just
all
have
to
wait.
They
could
be
called
to
the
to
the
room
and
then
go
to
their
floor
desk
and
speak
from
their
floor
desk.
A
Finally,
to
accommodate
the
fact
that
we
were
moving
in
such
slow
motion
and
using
more
of
the
space
than
we
traditionally
did.
We
changed
the
voting
process
and
made
changes
that
allowed
members
to
vote
from
various
different
parts
of
the
room
they
didn't
have.
They
wouldn't
have
to
be
in
the
room,
for
example,
within
30
seconds,
which
is
our
typical
voting
period.
We
eliminated
the
30
seconds.
A
A
So
within
that
sort
of
envelope
we
greatly
expanded
it
and
on
the
right
are
the
sort
of
bullet
points
that
we
wanted
to
accomplish
and
so
a
lot
of
what
we
did
wasn't
necessarily
a
rule
change,
but
it
was
done
under
the
concept
of
what
we
called
eventually
termed
the
conceptual
framework
of
how
the
session
would
operate.
So
these
bullet
points
essentially
became
the
written
unwritten
rules.
A
If
you
will
the
non-incorporated
rules
about
how
to
effectively
operate
under
those
circumstances,
so
we
had
both
rules
and
this
other
document,
which
is
this,
is
it's
not
meant
for
you
to
be
able
to
read
it?
It's
essentially
two
pages
of
bullet
points
that
we
distributed
to
the
members
that
sort
of
described
in
greater
detail
exactly
how
this
is
going
to
work.
You
mean
I
don't
have
to
press
my
voting
button
at
my
desk
to
vote.
Well,
how
am
I
going
to
do
it
otherwise
or
what?
If
what
if
it
takes
longer?
A
How
long
are
you
going
to
wait
for
me
to
get
to
the
room
if
I
have
to
come
down
from
the
fourth
floor
office?
All
of
those
questions
were
answered
in
this
other
document
and
then,
and
we
utilized
that
document
as
a
rules
type
device
because
of
this
general
rule
about
the
speaker
having
the
control
of
all
these
areas,
I
will
say
right
now:
masks
were
a
part
of
the
rules.
They
were
part
of
the
dress
code
of
the
rules.
A
It's
not
a
committee,
it's
a
very
informal
group
of
of
equally
bipartisan
staff
and
legislators,
staff
and
members
of
the
of
the
legislature
that
work
on
the
what
we
call
the
rules.
Every
year
we
meet
with
this
group
that
sort
of
polishes
and
perfects
and
sort
of
works
the
the
problem
areas
out
in
the
ambiguities
of
our
rules.
So
we
met
with
that
group
as
well
to
develop
this.
A
A
A
Part
of
the
culture
in
oregon
is
risk
avoidance.
I
would
say
that
the
one
of
the
primary
themes
of
the
of
the
culture
is:
what's
the
safest
possible
way
to
do
something,
and
so
that
sort
of
helps,
sort
of
explain
or
analyze
why
this
was
sort
of
a
digestible
set
of
changes.
These
changes,
where
we
closed
hearing
rooms,
where
we
put
a
lot
of
blue
tape
on
the
floor,
that
sort
of
meant
these
one
way,
like
you
see
in
a
grocery
store
arrows
that
helped
people
guide.
A
If
you
wanted
to
maintain
social
distancing,
you
go
in
this
thing
to
two
people
in
any
given
elevator
at
a
time.
Those
were
premised
on
the
idea
that
this
was
the
safest
possible
way
to
do
business
under
the
circumstances
of
covid,
and
that's
generally,
an
accepted
reason
for
making
these
kinds
of
changes.
Does
everybody
like
it
absolutely
not?
A
But
what
you
find
here
is
that,
if
there's
a,
if
you
offer
those
reasons
and
if
you're
real
reasonable
about
enforcement,
you
don't
get
into
a
you,
don't
get
too
sideways
with
it.
So
when
I
said
observed
by
some
scalded
by
some
casually
disregarded,
that's
fine!
Okay!
You
know!
If,
if
somebody
wasn't
wearing
a
mask
on
the
floor
of
the
house,
they
would
get
talked
they
would
that
would
be
pointed
out
and
some
would
be.
A
So
it
was
a
collegial
and
sort
of
a
collaborative
effort
at
enforcing
these
things,
and
it
was
generally
a
persuasive
effort
at
enforcing
these
things.
So
that's
how
that
went.
It
went
pretty
well,
as
I
said,
because
of
the
basis
that
we
laid
for
it
in
terms
of
having
oregon
health
sciences
university.
A
Take
a
look
at
everything
that
we
are
planning
to
do
the
the
discussions
we
had
with
small
groups
and
then
larger
groups
to
explain
the
rationale
for
the
changes
and
then
the
enforcement
of
any
of
this
was
sort
of
a
softer
approach.
It
was
a
more
collegial
and
discussion
based
approach.
Nobody
got
expelled
from
the
chamber
for
violating
any
of
these
rules.
It
was
more
an
effort
of
education
to
explain
to
them
why
everybody
agreed
that
they
thought
they
were
important
and,
of
course,
really
at
the
bottom
of
it.
All.
A
It
depended
upon
the
partisan
affiliation
of
the
person
who
is
being
sort
of
questioned,
so
the
the
first
course
the
first
line
of
of
approach
is
to
work
within
that
caucus
structure.
So
if,
for
example,
a
republican
wasn't
wearing
a
mask,
you
would
ask
the
republican
whip.
You
know
you're
supposed
to
be.
You
know
why
isn't
you
remember
wearing
a
mask,
go
over
and
talk
to
him
and
ask
him?
Is
there
an
issue
that
something
needs
to
be
addressed?
A
A
Well,
they
had
to
come
into
the
chamber
to
vote
that
was
part
of
the
physically
present
part
they
needed
to
assemble
and
they
need
to
be
physically
present
to
vote
so
the
floor.
Desks
we
limited
floor
occupancy
on
the
traditional
floor
to
25
members.
How
did
we
limit
it?
We
really
didn't.
We
asked
that
the
limit
be
25
and
we
would
occasionally
count
and
if
there
were
more
members
than
that,
we
would
go
to
whatever
partisan
caucus
and
say.
Why
are
so
many
members
on
the
floor?
A
A
C
Okay,
so
we
we
don't
have
extraordinary
sessions
very
often,
and
so
the
last
one
that
idaho
had
was
in
19
or
was
in
2015.
so
this
year,
because
of
covid,
we,
our
governor,
did
call
one
and
just
to
give
you
an
idea.
This
slide
just
shows
you.
We
had
some
signage
up,
and
this
is
our
house
floor.
It's
kind
of
from
an
angle,
so
you
can't
see
everything,
but
you
can
see
that
our
floor.
C
C
So
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
on
how
we
arrived
at
having
a
special
session
or
an
extraordinary
session
since
it's
uncommon
for
us
on
march
20th,
we
adjourn
signee
die
based
on
community
spread
of
cobit,
and
on
march
25th
the
governor
is
issued
his
emergency
proclamation
which
closed
down
the
state.
You
know
businesses
were
closed,
schools
were
were
shut
down,
etc,
and,
and
that
was
a
very
unpopular
action
by
our
governor.
C
C
But
the
legislature
has
no
power
to
legislate
on
on
subjects
outside
of
the
proclamation
that
is
issued
by
the
governor,
which
is
also
article
4,
section
9..
So
our
extraordinary
sessions
are,
we
can't
call
ourselves
back
in
and
when
we
do,
when
we
are
called
back
in
the
governor
has
the
opportunity
to
limit
the
topics
or
the
subjects
that
we're
going
to
consider.
C
We
did
have
some
buy-in
from
the
legislature.
We
had
working
groups
that
met
by
house
and
senate
working
groups
that
met
to
discuss
a
host
of
topics,
our
our
leadership
from
both
both
houses
created.
These
use,
the
germain
subcommittees
that
are
standing
committees
and
called
them
in
as
standing
or
as
working
groups,
and
they
were
to
consider
topics
and
what
we
finally
rested
on.
C
Were
election
procedures
and
limited,
limited
immunity.
Now
election
procedures
in
idaho,
the
primary
election
was
held
completely
by
by
mail.
There
was
no
in-person
voting,
which
was
part
of
the
reason
why
the
legislature
was
upset,
and
then
there
is
the
schools
and
the
businesses,
hospitals,
etc,
are
very
concerned
about
the
immunity
you
know
having
some
level
of
immunity
if
they,
if
they
have
you
know,
enact
best
practices
know
with
the
data
that
they
have
at
the
time
and
they
people
still
you
know,
have
bad
outcomes
from
kovid.
C
Then
are
they?
You
know?
What's
their
liability
going
to
look
like,
so
we
know
now
that
there's
going
to
be
this
extraordinary
session
and
we
have
a
plan
from
leadership
and
staff
for
safety
measures
and
we
do
not
have
a
state
mask
mandate
and
it's
not
a
popular
thing
here.
So
these
are
the
things
that
we
came
up
with
in
the
run-up
to
our
session
on
the
house
side.
Our
floor
is
way
too
small
to
be
able
to
socially
distance
people.
C
C
So
we
decide
that
members
who
choose
may
sit
in
the
in
the
chamber.
Gallery
sort
of
like
tim's,
talked
about
expanding
the
floor
space
up
into
the
chamber
up
into
our
galleries
and
we're
going
to
allow
that
for
social
distancing
they'll
be
up
there
to
participate,
but
they
will
not
be
able
to
vote
or
speak
to
speak
to
any
issues
up
there.
They'll
just
be
able
to
observe
we
have
limited.
C
We
chose
to
limit
the
gallery
seating
available
to
the
public
to
observe
social
distancing,
and
then
we
would
provide
live
streaming
areas
that
would
be
set
up
throughout
the
capital
the
press
was.
We
would
limit
the
press
to
two
pool
reporters
on
the
house
floor.
Thank
you,
john
hallman,
for
that
idea
limited
the
number
or
we
had
a
limited
number
of
plexiglas
shielding
available
for
members
desks.
The
the
ability
to
have
that
available
for
every
member
just
was
not
possible
in
the
short
time
frame
that
we
found.
C
C
C
So
this
is
the
reality
of
what
our
special
session
ended.
Up.
Looking
like,
we
had
a
a
group
of
people
throughout
the
state
who
have
become
very
agitated
and
very
upset
about
what's
happening
with
this
19,
and
this
person
right
here
on
the
far
on
the
bottom
right
is
eamonn
bundy.
Who
may
be
familiar
to
some
of
you,
western
state
folks
and
perhaps
others
around
the
country
and
he
sort
of
whipped
up
his
people
into
a
frenzy.
C
He
goes
up
onto
the
fourth
floor
to
meet
with
the
people
who
have
come
to
to
come
in
and
watch
this
this
special
session
and
because
we've
limited
the
num
the
amount
of
seating
there.
There
is
not
enough
seating
for
everyone
who
is
trying
to
come
into
the
building
and
into
the
house
floor
chamber
of
galleries
to
watch
the
session.
C
He
tries
to
reason
with
them.
He
tells
them
that
there
are
locations
throughout
the
the
building
to
watch
but
they're
having
none
of
it,
and
so
this
is
what
we
end
up
with
we
end
up
with,
and
you
know
we
I
mean
we
made
the
washington
post
great.
You
know
there
we
were
so
they.
These
are
people
who
are
outside
of
our
chamber
and
are
unable
to
get
in,
because
the
police
are
idaho
state
police.
C
C
So
long
story
short.
This
is
where
we
end
up.
This
is
as
I'm
I'm
reading
the
proclamation
for
the
governor's,
the
governor's
proclamation
calling
the
special
session.
You
can
see
that
our
speaker
is
on
the
floor
without
a
mask,
but
but
the
rest
of
the
staff-
and
this
is
a
press
person
down
here-
are
all
wearing
masks
up
in
the
gallery.
There
is
no
social
distancing,
no
masks.
C
No
decorum
these
are
people
who
are
there
to
be
aggressive
and
to
bust
up
the
system,
and
our
gentleman
that
has
the
the
the
gun
that
I
showed
you
he's
at
the
very
top
of
the
picture.
You
can
see
him
with
his
little
yellow
gazdan
flag
around
his
neck.
You
can
see
him
up
there,
so
so
it
becomes
a
problem
for
us
and
there
is
a
lot
of
security
and
a
lot
of
angst,
because
these
are
people
who
are
yelling
and
screaming
jeering,
clapping,
etc.
C
C
C
So
so
you
have
a
lot
of
very
vulnerable
folks
because
of
their
age,
included
in
a
crowd
of
people
that
are
unwilling
to
to
follow
the
decorum,
and
so
the
police
have
a
very,
very
tough
job
and,
and
we
are
trying
to
very
much
de-escalate
the
situation
and
doing
the
best
we
can
on
struggling
through
that
on
the
first
day.
So
that's
day,
one.
A
C
The
rest
of
these
folks
here
are
non-compliant.
They're
they're
not
going
to
go,
get
tested,
they
don't
believe
in
it
and
they're
afraid
of
this.
This
whole
scenario,
and
so
and
and
quite
frankly,
my
my
guess-
is
that
even
if
they
were
to
test
positive,
we
wouldn't
know
because
we
wouldn't
hear
that
so.
C
So
so
day,
one
the
the
committee
chairman,
try
their
level
best
to
maintain
order
in
their
committees
and
they
do
the
best
they
can.
They
really
did
they
got
through
their
jobs
as
much
as
they
could
and
we
left
for
the
day.
It
was
a
very
long
day,
but
we
left
for
the
day
with
the
idea
that
the
next
day,
hopefully
would
be
somewhat
better.
C
Well.
This
is
day
two
and
we've:
we've
moved
our
committee
hearings
to
our
largest
rooms,
and
we
did
that
a
number
of
times
throughout
this
whole
three-day
series,
and-
and
I
can't
honestly
tell
you
if
this
is
a
picture
from
day
one
day,
two
or
day
three-
I
believe
it's
day-
one,
but
it's
quite
possible.
It's
day,
two
and
again,
no
social
distancing,
no
masks,
no
observant,
observance
of
any
level
of
decorum
for
the
committee
members
that
are
trying
their
best
to
do
their
jobs.
C
C
However,
she
has
created
a
lanyard
for
herself
that
says:
she's
a
press,
member
and
but
she's
not
followed
our
credentialing
whatsoever.
So
she
proceeds
to
go
to
one
of
the
press
desks
and
sit
there,
and
I
see
her
on
the
video
and
I
tell
my
my
sergeant.
I
call
him
and
say
she's,
not
a
she's,
not
a
credential
press
member.
Please
remove
her.
He
talks
to
the
committee
chairman.
They
they
agree
and
they
ask
her
to
leave.
She
chooses
not
to
well,
then
sort
of
the
mayhem
starts.
C
C
So
what
what
you
see
here
this
video
over
here
that
I
just
played,
is
the
boise
riot
police
coming
in
in
their
wyatt
gear.
We
already
have
idaho
state
police
present
in
the
building,
but
we
needed
to
call
in
reinforcements
because
this
is
such
a
a
volatile
situation
and
you
can
see
this
gentleman
up
here
is
very
upset
and
we
clear
this
room
from
the
public.
They
move
out.
C
C
The
committee
members
are
are
moved
to
a
different
room
and
mr
bundy
and
his
cohorts
they
stay
in
the
room.
So
then
what
happens?
Well,
we
have
some
arrests.
Three
people
are
arrested
during
this
during
this
day,
and
here
is
mr
bundy,
who
refuses
to
get
out
of
a
chair,
and
so
he
is
wheeled
out
through
the
front
of
the
building
out
to
a
police
car
and
carried
off
to
go
to
jail.
C
This
gentleman
in
the
purple
shirt
is
another
one
of
the
individuals
and
I
don't
have
an
indiv,
a
picture
of
the
third
woman
or
the
third
person
who
was
a
woman,
but
suffice
it
to
say
that
they
all
got
to
go
visit
the
ada
county
jail
on
day.
Two
again,
you
can
tell
there's
no
masks,
there's
no
social
distancing.
C
Our
poor
police
officers
are
stuck
with
these
really
difficult
situations
to
try
to
navigate
along
with
our
with
our
leadership
and
how?
Because
this,
because
all
that
all
of
this,
these
areas
are
under
the
purview
of
the
legislature,
they
are
the
people
who
have
to
pull
the
trigger
on.
What
do
we
do
in
these
situations
and
day
two?
The
decision
was
we're
not
going
to
allow
this
to
happen
any
further
and
we're
going
to
ask
these
people
to
either
leave
or
we're
going
to
arrest
them.
C
He
refuses
to
leave
and
he
is
again
taken
out,
but
this
time
not
in
an
office
chair,
but
in
a
wheelchair
and
he's
taken
through
the
gallery
or
through
the
sorry,
not
through
the
gallery,
but
from
the
gallery
down
through
our
tunnels
to
an
other
location
so
that
it's
not
as
obvious
to
the
people.
His
his
followers
out
front
that
he
has
to
that
he's
being
vacated
from
the
building.
C
The
house
and
the
senate
proceed
to
pass
three
bills
and
we
transmit
them
to
the
governor
and
we
thankfully
adjourn
sign.
You
die
after
three
very,
very
long
days
and
very
very
tense
days.
So
lessons
learned
so
we
we
had
heard
on
social
media
that
this
was
happen,
that
a
lot
of
this
was
happening.
You
know,
there's
a
number
of
us
that
follow
the
social
media
accounts
of
agitators
and
my
advice
is
to
take
them
at
their
word.
C
These
guys
put
out
invitations
to
say
that
they
were
going
to
storm
the
castle
and
they
did
just
know
that
mob
mentality.
You
can't
reason
with
it.
There
was
not
anything
that
these
people
wanted,
that
we
could
give
them.
There
wasn't
a
negotiating
point.
You
know
there
wasn't
something
that
we
could.
You
know
that
that
we
being
the
legislature
could
say
we
understand
what
you're
talking
about
in
your
concerns,
and
we
are
working
towards
that
because
there
there
was
not.
They
were
not
there
to
be
to
negotiate.
C
C
C
C
So
we
don't
have
security
at
when
you
enter
the
building.
Our
building
is
wide
open
and
there
are
doors
all
over
the
building.
You
know
on
on
all
sides
that
are
open
on
on
all
levels,
and
so
there
is
not
a
checkpoint
or
any
of
that
any
person
is
free
to
enter
the
building
just
at
any
time.
That's
why
I
said
I
that's
why
I've
specifically
stated
that
I
saw
him
enter
the
building,
because
I
knew
he
was
not
allowed
and
that's
why
I
you
know,
I
look
out
the
front
of
the
building.
A
A
C
Right
we
we
requested
that
they
follow
those
protocols.
What
the
one
thing
that
they
that
they
specif
when
they
talk
about
storming
the
castle.
We
really
had
a
plan
and
the
doors
were
locked
to
enter
into
the
the
house
gallery
where
the
where
the
public
would
usually
view
we
had
set
up
viewing
areas
around
the
building
and
we
wanted
that
to
be
sufficient
so
that
they
would
be
able
to
see
the
live
streaming.
C
But
we
wanted
to
socially
distance,
have
allow
for
social
distancing
upstairs
in
our
gallery,
and
we
had
a
count
of
people
that
we
would
allow
and
then,
after
that,
the
the
door
would
be.
The
doors
were
locked
and
no
more
of
the
public
were
allowed
to
enter
that
and
that's
what
that's
where
they
stormed.
The
building
was
by
wrenching
those
doors
and
bus,
busting,
the
glass,
and
that
was
really
the
storming.
The
eamonn
bundle.
C
This
was
a
special
situation.
We
always
have
isp
in
the
building.
They
are,
they
are
our
police
presence
for
the
capital
and
we
always
have
them
in
the
building,
and
we
always
monitor
social
media
and
and
those
kinds
of
things,
because
we
know
that
you
know
this.
We
they're
pretty
vocal
groups
out
there
and
oftentimes.
They
will
try
to
come
into
the
cast
into
the
capital
and
create
mayhem.
This
just
happened
to
be
better
coordinated
in
a
much
larger
group
than
we're
used
to.
C
A
A
You
I
think
we
covered
most
of
the
questions
I
see
in
the
chat.
There
are
some
about
guns
and
you
know
welcome
to
the
wild
wild
west.
Why
don't
we
move
on
now
to
john
and
he
can
describe
the
process
that
they
went
through
to
set
up
a
legends,
the
house
of
representatives
in
illinois
offsite
at
your
convention
center
john.
D
Yep,
that's
correct
once
again
thanks
for
joining
us,
so
I
think
what
I'm
planning
to
do
is
just
kind
of
go
through
the
decision
points
that
we
kind
of
had
on
how
we
got
to
the
decision
to
go
off
campus
for
it.
So
hopefully,
if
your
chambers
decide
to
do
something
along
those
lines,
you
have
some
context
of
maybe
what
you
should
be
considering.
D
So
we
kind
of
at
the
very
beginning
had
an
idea
of
maybe
four
or
five
different
locations
where
we
could
have
used
it.
But
of
course
one
thing
that
we
knew
from
our
public
health
experts
at
the
illinois
department
of
public
health
was
a
request
that
people
maintained
a
six
week,
distance,
which
we've
talked
about
quite
a
bit
today.
D
D
Once
again,
we
wanted
to
minimize
contact
with
others.
It
was
important
for
us.
According
to
the
illinois
department
of
public
health,
advising
us
for
everyone
to
wear,
masks
and
then
have
access
to
both
hand,
sanitizer
and
hand
washing
and,
of
course,
just
kind
of
practical
needs.
You
know
we
would
need
space
for,
of
course,
members
and
staff
workstations
for
members
either.
If
we
had
technology
or
not,
and
if
we
did
decide
to
use
technology,
we
would
need
electricity
data
and
for
laptops
and
microphones
so
holly.
D
If
you
could
move
on
to
the
next
slide,
please.
So
these
were
kind
of
the
four
thoughts
that
we
had
one
you
know.
Could
we
use
our
house
floor
as
normal
once
again,
this
kind
of
took
us
out
of
consideration
for
the
six
feet
requirement,
but
it
would
provide
all
of
our
technology
needs
already
as
normal.
D
So
we
also
kind
of,
as
a
few
of
others
have
mentioned,
we
thought
about
well
what
if
we
use
the
house
for
and
close
down
the
gallery,
except
for
members,
even
what
there
we
didn't
quite
have
enough
room
for
six
feet,
distancing
and
then
for
the
upstairs
in
the
gallery.
We
would
not
have
had
desks
or
electricity
and
data
for
laptops
and
microphones
and
of
course,
if
we
had
people
you
know
upstairs
trying
to
talk
about
a
subject.
We
wouldn't
have
streaming
of
that.
D
D
Those
are
times,
of
course,
are
large.
We
would
have
space
for
everyone,
but
there
would
be
not
the
electrical
needs
for
laptops
or
microphones,
and
so
our
forethought
was
like
well,
the
convention
center
downtown
springfield,
which
is
only
about
six
blocks
away
from
the
capitol
building
itself,
which
of
course
did
have
space
and,
of
course,
since
as
a
convention
center
and
has
lots
of
conventions
coming
through
had
plenty
of
electricity
and
data
for
for
those
type
of
setups
ever
decided
to
do
that.
D
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
one
thing
that
did
help
us
and
once
again
I
kind
of
listed
precedence,
but
I
I
think
actually,
what
probably
helped
us
really
was
they
would
you
know
could
be
considered.
Practice
runs
is
that
we
did
have
these
situations
where
we
were
not
in
our
chamber
before
one
we
were
doing
a
extensive
renovation
and
well
the
one
I
kind
of
mentioned
in
2000
we
had.
D
We
had
to
do
some
life
safety
things
for
the
house
floor,
so
we
were
in
one
auditorium
and
in
the
veto
session
in
fall
2006
we
actually
used
our
old
state
capital
because
the
the
first
changes
we
did
in
2000
2001
to
the
chamber
had
some
issues.
So
we
had
to
re-model
the
chamber
again
to
fix
some
of
those
issues
also
because
we
were
out
in
fall
2006.
D
We
have
actually
been
holding
our
house
inaugurations
every
january
since
january
2007
at
segment
auditorium
at
the
university
of
illinois,
springfield
and
that's
said
we
kind
of
like
that,
because
we
can
have
huge
crowds
come
in.
We
put
all
the
members
on
the
stage,
but
of
course,
with
members
on
the
stage
we
could
not
do
social
distancing.
So
that's
kind
of
why
we
were
not
able
to
do
that
there.
D
D
D
So
that
wasn't
the
most
ideal
of
me
having
to
tell
the
chief
of
staff
at
the
time
that
we
didn't
have
a
voting
system
up,
but
based
on
that
experience,
we
had
asked
lis
to
consider
what
does
a
plan
b
if
this
ever
happens
again,
and
so
they've
been
working
extensively
over
the
last
few
years
to
create
a
plan
b.
Voting
in
case
emergency
like
this
ever
rose
again,
so
that
we
would
have
ability
for
members
to
vote
on
the
laptops
themselves.
D
Luckily,
for
us,
they
had
tested
the
system
extensively
last
fall
and
we
actually
had
I'd
actually
just
shown
the
chief
of
staff
that
maybe
december
or
january
of
this
year,
to
kind
of
show
how
it
is
just
in
case
anything
ever
happened,
and
so
this
was
actually
the
first
time
we
ever
you
don't
utilize.
That
system
was
during
this
session
that
we
had
at
the
convention
center.
D
They
were
able
to
just
take
that
dummy
console
and
take
that
to
the
convention
center
and
create
it
so
that
pretty
much
everything
was
almost
almost
seamless
to
how
we
usually
have
it.
On
the
house
floor,
as
I
kind
of
mentioned
here,
we
did
lose
some
capabilities
in
some
programs,
but
they
were
able
to
tell
us
in
advance.
So
we
we
were
able
to
work
around
those
as
needed
and,
of
course
we
wanted
to
stream
our
sessions,
and
so
they
they
were
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
that.
D
So
what
we
did
was
we
did
go
ahead
and
contract
with
an
audio
visual
company
to
provide
the
streaming
services
for
us
and
to
record
the
session
for
us
so
that
we
had
those
for
our
records
and-
and
as
you
can
see
here,
it
was
quite
extensive.
So
these
are
all
the
members
desks
you
can
see
from
the
back.
D
You
can
see
that,
of
course,
the
the
the
well
and
the
podium
at
the
very
front,
and
then
the
av
company
that
we
rented
out
was
able
to
mimic
everything
we
had,
including
with
the
system,
so
that
microphones
would
not
be
on
live
at
all
times,
but
would
be
able
to
be
turned
on
when
needed
and
requested
at
the
request
of
the
speaker,
which
is
our
current
practice
in
the
house
kerry.
If
we
could
move
on
please
or
I
may
not
carry
holly
but
sorry,
some
practical
considerations.
D
D
Where
really,
there
was
a
lot
of
fear
of
touch-based
things
where
we
thought
that
might
be
where
a
lot
of
problems
might
come
in
and
also
spacing.
So
we
made
sure
that
each
member
had
their
own
six
foot
table
and
we
tried
to
make
sure
that
those
tables
were
themselves
spaced
out,
another
four
to
six
feet
horizontally
and
vertically,
so
that
they
had
plenty
of
space
and
would
not
be
in
anyone
else's
way.
D
D
D
A
D
Yeah
and
it
is-
and
so
luckily
the
my
assistant
clerk
of
the
house,
because
we're
partisan
positions,
so
I
I
represent
the
democrats,
he
represents
the
republicans,
but
we
worked
very
closely
together
in
a
non-partisan
way.
So
I
kind
of
worked
with
him
on
you
know
to
again
think
my
thought
of
who
I
would
probably
want
at
the
convention
center
who
I
might
want
to
stay
at
the
capitol
itself
and
then
maybe
there
was
some
positions
that
we
decided.
D
We
probably
did
not
need
for
this
very
short
session
and
so
working
with
him.
We
developed
that
plan
and
it
ended
up
being
about
a
third
of
the
people
we
brought
to
the
convention
center,
a
third
of
the
people.
We
asked
to
work
out
of
their
offices
in
the
capitol
building
so
that
we
could
do
everything
we
need
to
do
and
then
a
third
of
our
staff.
D
D
There
were
a
few
others
as
part
of
the
special
session,
but
it
was
an
attempt
by
the
speaker
and
the
president
to
limit
topics
as
much
as
can,
while
still
gaining
a
little
bit
of
flexibility.
So
this
once
again
that
my
very
high
tech,
you
know
filing
system
that
we
had
on
the
vision.
For
of
me,
just
printing
off
copies
of
it,
just
in
case
a
member
did
ask,
I
never
had
one
ask
for
a
copy,
but
it
was
one
of
those
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
were
well
in
advance.
D
D
This
that
was
also
the
individual
who
we
removed
on
day,
one
for
failure
to
wearing
a
mask,
but
he,
as
I
mentioned
in
one
of
meetings
early
this
week,
he
did
come
back
later
in
the
week
to
exercise
his
rights,
but
while
wearing
a
mask,
so
we
kind
of
appreciate
him.
You
know
doing
that.
For
us
we
did
do
a
temperature
check
the
door
through
the
emt
service
that
we
had
had.
D
We
asked
all
staff
were
required
all
staff
to
wear
masks,
including,
since
the
speaker
can
limit
who
has
access
to
the
floor.
If
any
staff
member
had
refused,
we
would
have
kicked
them
off
the
floor
for
house
members.
Of
course
we
cannot
do
that,
but
the
house
itself
did
vote
on
a
rule,
change
which
was
bipartisan
to
mandate.
Members
were
masked,
which
is
how
we
got
to
the
point
where
the
one
member
who
came
in
without
a
mask
the
members
from
a
member
rose
after
we've
adopted
the
rules
asked
him
to
comply.
D
He
said
he
would
not,
and
the
house
then
took
a
vote
to
remove
him
from
the
chamber
until
the
time
he
wanted
to
wear
a
mask.
So
he
left
for
the
remainder
that
day,
but
came
back
the
next
three
days
of
session
with
a
mask
we
did
for
each
each
member
and
every
staff
we
gave
them
their
own
bottle
of
hand.
Sanitizer
keep
in
mind.
This
was
back
in
time
when
we
thought
you
know.
Even
touching
you
know
something
after
another
person
you
know
could
cause
the
spread
of
kovid.
D
I
think
we've
now
learned-
that's
probably
not
probably
not
a
good
or
a
high
risk,
but
we
still
provided
hand
sanitizer
for
everyone
and
then
also
we
did
to
provide
lunch
and
dinner
for
all
members
staff
security
and
the
limited
press
that
we
had
there.
We
did
that
because
one
most
of
the
places
in
springfield
were
they
had
very
limited
capacity.
There
was,
of
course,
no
dining
in
and
it
would
be
difficult
to
place
large
orders
and
we
also
wanted
limit
who
had
access
to
the
convention
center.
D
But,
and
that's
probably
something
we
won't
do
a
second
time
around,
but
at
the
time
it
was,
it
was
kind
of
highly
recommended
to
limit
access
from
other
people
and
then,
as
I
said
once
again
at
this
point,
restaurants
are
open
and
springfield
for
the
most
part,
and
so
that's
probably
not
going
to
be
a
concern
coming
into
veto
session
in
november
or
next
year.
Hey.
D
Well
it
that
that
didn't
help,
so
we
were
only
supposed
to
be
in
three
days.
We
ended
up
being
in
four
days,
because
you
know
the
general
assembly
didn't
want
to
rush
itself,
which
was
you
know
understandable,
but
yeah.
So
we
probably
would
not
do
this
again
and
another
thing
that
I
probably
would
not
recommend
is
providing
individual
microphones
at
each
member
desk.
D
Early
on
we
had.
I
had
mentioned
how
many
other
states
kind
of
have
a
shared
microphone
for
people
to
use.
But
at
the
time
that's
you
know
the
once
again
the
fear
was
touching
a
microphone
after
someone
else
used.
It
could
cause
the
spread-
that's
kind
of
really
not
where
we're
at
anymore
with
that,
so
those
are
probably
two
things
that
we
would.
I
would
at
least
recommend
that
we
not
do
going
forward,
but
of
course
that's
always
at
the
end
of
the
day,
leadership
decision.
D
D
That's
probably
something
we
may
need
to
change
going
forward,
although
once
again,
that's
not
my
decision
and
it
it's
in
our
current
rules,
so
we
may
not
be
able
to
make
those
changes,
but
that's
kind
of
what
we
did.
We
did
limit
them
to
the
balcony
level,
the
convention
center,
so
that
they
didn't
have
any
direct
contact
with
the
membership.
Once
again,
this
was
just
trying
to
keep
people
safe,
including
the
members
we
did
provide
public
access
through.
D
D
D
The
leadership
did
ask
them
that
if
they
had
questions
that
they
wanted
to
ask
about
a
bill
or
something
coming
up,
that
they
should
talk
to
someone
who's
a
member
of
the
committee
to
ask
that
the
questions
be
funneled,
and
so
we
did
have
plenty
of
members
attend
the
executive
committee
and
if
they
did
have
questions
they
did
ask.
You
know
someone
on
the
committee
to
ask
the
question
and
work
through
that
we
did
not
have
public
testimony,
but
we
provide
a
link
on
our
on
our
webpages
main
site
to
provide
virgin
testimony.
D
We
did
that
because
our
electronic
witness
slips,
we
do
not
allow
written
testimony.
That
was
a
decision
made
whenever
we
first
created
the
system
probably
about
six
years
ago.
So
this
was
something
new
that
we
did,
because
we
want
to
provide
open
access
for
people
who
had
questions
and
once
again
other
other
than
that
electronic
window
slips
where
anyone
from
across
the
state.
Could
you
know
file,
opposition
or
or
support
of
any
proposal
that
did
not
change,
and
that
became
part
of
the
record
as
normal.
D
Then
I
think
I
have
one
more,
which
we
somewhat
talked
about
was
about
staffing.
Once
again,
I
had
a
third
of
my
staff
on
the
convention
center
forum.
We
kind
of
worked
out
how
to
do
that
then
the
third
state
and
the
state
house
offices,
and
so
between
the
people
on
the
convention
floor
and
people
in
the
state
house
itself.
D
We
use
a
lot
of
technology
to
make
sure
that
we
all
were
aware
of.
What's
going
on
and
then
once
again
a
third
of
my
staff,
we
did
ask
them
just
go
ahead
and
stay
home,
but
do
follow
along
online
and
if
a
supervisor
or
a
co-worker
had
a
question
for
them,
we
asked
them
to
be
responsive
at
the
time
once
again,
laptops
and
cell
phones.
D
I
I
don't
think
we
could
have
done
this
without
you
know
these
type
of
technology
that
we
had
available,
including
the
laptops
of
course,
work
laptops
cell
phones-
that
gets
kind
of
issues
you
know
for
you,
so
we
tried
to
limit
that.
But
sometimes
you
just
have
to
make
a
quick
call
and
that's
kind
of
where
we
did
it.
D
So
usually
we
our
rules
currently
requires
that
for
any
bill
or
amendment
that's
filed,
we
must
have
two
copies
when
they're
filed
and
what
we
did
was
we
we
told
everyone
go
ahead
and
submit
to
us
electronically
and
we
would
print
the
copies.
So
that's
that
was
ensure
that
that
our
house
rule
requiring
two
cops
was
met.
D
D
A
D
So
you
know
keep
in
mind
usually
when
we're
in
the
illinois
house
ourselves.
I
have
my
own
gentril
staff,
and
so
we
did
inquire
about
that.
If
I
need
to
bring
my
general
staff,
but
because
they
have
their
union
contracts,
they
they
said
they
had
to
take
care
of
it
and
and
now
keep
in
mind
all
their
business
for
the
year
had
been
cancelled
because
of
kovid.
D
So
they
were
very
happy
to
have
our
business,
so
they
pretty
much
were
very
kind
and
did
whatever
he
requested,
including
making
sure
that
things
were
clean.
But
but
the
big
thing
was
having
the
separate
tables
for
each
member,
where
pretty
much
no
one
touched
anything
on
their
tables,
which
is
why
we
provide
a
hand,
sanitizer
and
separate
space
so
other
than
just
the
normal
bathrooms
and
high-touch
areas
that
kimchi
center
took
over.
That.
E
Thank
you
tim
thank
you,
holly
she's,
going
to
be
my
slide
master
for
today,
sabrina
lewellen,
I'm
the
deputy
director
and
assistant
secretary
of
the
arkansas
senate
and
the
highbrow
takeaway
from
what
happened
is
no
one
cried
no
one
died,
we
did
meet
our
constitutional
requirements
and
I
don't
remember
very
much
from
april
12th
to
april
24th
and
I'll.
Tell
you
about
that,
and
why,
in
my
presentation,
also
thanks
to
my
colleagues
across
the
the
dome
here,
the
house
of
representatives,
buddy
johnson,
is
a
parliamentarian.
He
is
on.
E
So
this
is
proxy
voting
in
30
days,
I'm
gonna
walk
through
just
a
snapshot
of
our
chamber.
Explain
the
situation
we
were
facing.
Give
you
the
timeline
of
our
events,
the
authority
that
we
used
to
move
forward
with
the
proxy
voting
for
us
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
our
process
and
then
our
outcomes,
how
it
went
a
couple
of
takeaways
and
then
what
we
are
doing
right
now.
E
E
E
E
The
governor
issued
the
call
for
us
on
tuesday
march
24th
and
per
our
constitution.
The
general
assembly
shall
meet
in
the
seat
of
government
every
year,
this
particular
year.
Our
fiscal
session
was
to
begin
on
the
second
wednesday
in
april,
because
it
was
a
year
where
our
primary
elections
were
in
march.
E
Here's
the
timeline
march
11th
state
of
emergency,
was
declared
the
21st.
Some
of
you
may
remember
that's
when
the
irs
extended
the
federal
income
tax
deadline
to
june
15th.
That
was
a
piece
of
the
reason
why
we
did
have
to
come
in
and
make
some
budgetary
adjustments
the
24th
the
call
was
issued
for
special
session.
The
senate
was
closed.
E
That
week,
that
was
spring
break
in
arkansas
and
my
principal
wanted
staff
to
go
home
and
just
regroup
and
reset
things
were
kind
of
going
crazy
with
kids
and
what
was
next
so
we
were
closed
and
it
was
my
principal
ann
and
I
here
and
we
were
going
to
take
care
of
the
session
with
a
very
few
session
staff
march
26th.
That
was
the
first
day
of
the
special
session
and
then
march
28th.
E
Moving
on
april
8th
was
the
first
day
of
the
fiscal
session,
the
15th
we
passed
89
bills
in
the
senate,
a
lot
of
batches
I'll
talk
to
you
about
that
april.
16Th
99
bills
were
passed
in
the
senate.
We
also
had
our
president
pro
tem
election
that
day
april
20th
through
the
23rd
the
senate
was
closed.
Again,
I
was
the
only
one
here.
That's
why
I
put
my
name
there
and
april
24th,
so
that
next
week
that
friday
we
closed
sign,
he
die
april.
E
E
E
We
had
a
temporary
emergency
rule.
Both
the
senate
and
the
house
adopted
separate
rules.
Hours
in
the
senate
expired
june
30
and
I
believe
the
house
doesn't
expire
until
the
end
of
the
92nd
general
assembly.
These
are
the
topics
that
covered
we
we
outlined
the
intent
and
the
duration
of
the
rule.
We
outlined
the
limited,
directed
proxy
voting
process
we
defined
quorum.
We
reminded
members
that
the
disclosures
we
have
a
senate
ethics
rule
which
is
senate
rule
24,
was
still
applicable
and
we
limited
media
access
to
only
two
individuals
on
the
floor.
E
Leading
up
to
this,
there
was
a
series
of
meetings
with
our
senate,
the
house,
the
bureau
of
legislative
research
here
separate
meetings,
joint
meetings
to
hash
this
out
lots
of
conference
calls
on
the
senate
end
to
troubleshoot
matters.
I
think
our
pro
tem
did
not
want
to
have
any
surprises
and
he
wanted
this
adopted
smoothly.
On
the
first
day
of
the
special
session,
which
was
march
26th
and
our
capital
during
this
time
was
closed
to
the
public.
E
They
were
allowed
to
cast
a
vote
by
proxy
under
limited
parameters
that
senator
had
to
give
written
notice
to
the
pro
tem,
and
it
was
the
party
leaders
or
the
whips
or
another
designee
who
was
given
their
proxy
and
allowed
to
vote
for
them.
We
leaned
heavily
on
the
fact
that
the
wrong
the
roll
call
is
the
soundtrack
of
the
senate,
and
so
with
that,
as
long
as
we
could
hear
their
vote
vocalized,
we
were
able
to
record
it.
Thus,
the
proxy
next
slide.
A
A
E
Tell
I'm
going
to
tell
you:
yes,
there
was
an
identification
process.
Of
course
they
had
to
submit
it
in
writing
to
the
pro
tem
that
they
were
going
to
do
it,
and
then
I
will
tell
you
about
the
rest
of
the
process
and
I
hope
it
answers
your
questions.
Great
thanks.
So
proxy
votes
were
submitted
no
later
than
an
hour
before
session
each
day.
E
That
deadline
could
be
weighed
by
the
pro
tem
and
you'll
see
why
shortly
the
one
hour
deadline
could
be
waived
if,
for
some
reason,
a
person
who
had
the
intention
of
coming,
but
they
failed
their
covenant,
screening
upon
entry
of
the
capital
and
then
during
the
roll
call.
Whoever
was
designated,
they
vocalized
their
proxy
vote
of
that
senator's
vote
when
that
senator's
name
was
called
next
slide.
E
If,
for
some
reason
a
senator
had
previously
indicated,
they
were
going
to
vote
by
proxy
and
showed
up,
they
were
allowed
to
vote
and
we
just
nullified
any
paperwork
they'd
submitted
before
and
then
members
voting
by
pr
by
proxy
were
counted
as
present
only
for
quorum
and
they
only
received
per
diem.
If
they
came
to
little
rock,
we
did
have
a
couple
of
members
who
voted
by
proxy
and
sat
in
their
offices,
but
most
of
them
just
stayed
in
their
districts.
E
Next
slide.
Here's
the
authentication
process.
The
pro
tem
submitted
a
letter
of
intention
to
the
secretary
of
the
senate,
it's
in
our
journal
and
it
advises
the
number
of
senators
voting
by
proxy
that
day
and
enlist
them,
and
then
the
secretary
of
the
senate
had
a
certification
letter,
verifying
that
the
proxies
were
received
and
their
attended
vote
for
the
permanent
record.
So
there.
E
That
is
in
there
for
every
batch
and
bill
and
I'll
show
you
with
the
next
slide.
This
is
an
example
of
what
the
letter
looked
like
from
the
pro
tem.
Just
one
of
these
it
lists
those
are
the
centers
who
were
voting
by
proxy.
This
particular
one-
I
don't
remember,
probably
the
april
15th
voting
day,
so
all
of
those
individuals
were
voting
by
proxy
next
slide.
E
E
That
was
just
that
that
last
sentence
you'll
see
it
either
said
batch.
One
two
three
or
four
or
the
specific
bill
was
listed
there,
and
so
that's
with
each
of
the
bills
in
our
rough
journal
next
slide
batch
voting.
We
started
this
a
few
years
back
four
or
five
years
ago.
We
tend
to
do
it
with
the
fiscal,
the
appropriation
bills.
Only.
This
isn't
something
we
do
quite
as
much
with
substantive
bills,
but
we
defined
a
batch
by
the
total
number
of
bills
on
each
page
of
an
agenda.
So
page
one
was
batch.
E
One
two
was
batch:
two
et
cetera.
There
were
89
senate
bills,
16
of
them
were
voted
on
individually
and
the
other
73.
We
voted
on
across
four
batches
99
house
bills.
Six
of
them
were
voted
on
individually
and
the
93
remaining
bills
were
in
four
batches
and
we
just
committed
to
being
flexible
within
the
framework
where
possible.
E
This
was
so
early
in
covet
and
we
we
couldn't
get
around
this,
so
we
wanted
to
meet
members
where
they
were
and
not
stress
them
out
anymore.
I'm
sure
many
of
you
will
agree.
There
are
very
levels
of
technical
abilities
with
senators
and
your
members,
so
we
received
them
back
in
person.
Some
members
actually
brought
them
to
me
and
left
immediately
by
email
that
varied
some
members
figured
out.
They
could
type
in
the
form
some
of
them
couldn't
so
they
rescanned
it
in
and
sent
it
back
to
me.
E
E
Next
slide:
here's
a
picture
of
the
batches,
so
we
have
two
batch
forms
on
a
page,
so
this
is
batch
one
in
batch
two.
This
is
a
real
form.
This
is
actually
senator
cheatham.
His
proxy
was
senator
ingram,
who
happens
to
be
our
minority
leader.
This
is
on
april
15th
and
he
was
a
yay
on
both
of
those
batches
next
slide.
E
E
A
E
Allowed
half
of
the
members
in
the
seats
on
the
senate
floor-
and
I
have
some
pictures
to
show
you,
ppe,
wise
masks
were
worn.
That
smiley
face
is
to
let
you
know
that
there
was
very
good
intentions
by
most,
but
you
are
going
to
see
a
couple
of
faces
without
masks
in
the
upcoming
picture
and
we
did
have
gloves
and
masks
available
to
senators
and
staff
next
slide.
E
What
happened
here
are
the
results
in
the
special
that
lets.
You
know
they
are
the
number
of
senators
who
voted
by
proxy
per
day.
We
only
had
two
bills
in
the
special
and
the
fiscal
same
thing
same
number.
There
you
can
see
who
voted
each
day
by
proxy
and
once
again
we
just
were
really
flexible,
and
the
members
appreciated
that,
within
the
framework
of
this
unprecedented
situation,
we
just
had
to
get
through
this
as
soon
as
we
possibly
could
next
slide.
E
How
do
they
go
for
staff
greatly
reduced
session
staff
for
both
of
these
sessions?
For
example,
here
in
the
senate,
we
normally
have
seven
individuals
in
the
front
well
space
who
are
on
the
line.
We
only
had
four
or
five
remember
my
principal
was
gone,
so
we
normally
have
about
55
people
per
session.
We
only
had
10
less
than
10.,
so
I
did
quadruple
duty.
I
was
the
secretary
of
the
senate.
That
day
I
did
the
roll
calls.
I
did
the
rough
journals
which
I'm
going
to
show
you
shortly
bill.
Stamping
we
checked
it
all.
E
E
This
is
an
aerial
view
from
the
fourth
floor,
next
slide,
opening
day
april,
8th
of
the
fiscal
session
that
is
governor,
asa
hutchinson
standing
at
the
well.
He
is
delivering
opening
comments.
I
think.
Typically,
this
is
a
joint
session
in
the
house
of
representatives,
but
the
house
of
representatives
here
in
arkansas
was
off-site.
E
They
were
at
the
jack
stevens
arena
at
the
university
of
arkansas,
little
rock,
and
so
the
governor
spoke
here
and
I
believe
it
was
streamed
out
to
them.
You'll
see
little
name
placards
in
front
of
each
of
the
senators
we
put
those
there,
letting
them
know
the
seats
where
they
were
allowed
to
sit.
I'm
there
in
the
lower
corner
in
front
of
the
voting
machine
and
my
principal
is
at
the
back.
You
can't
see
her
next
slide.
E
A
E
Opinion
only
because
we
had
so
few
bills
in
the
special
just
two,
not
a
lot
of
transactions,
not
a
lot
of
amendments,
not
a
lot
of
meetings
and
for
the
fiscal
there's,
just
a
limited
type
of
bill
limited
in
that.
I
think
there
were
a
couple
of
resolutions,
but
they
were
pretty
much
all
except
for
rsa.
Maybe
a
couple
of
others
were
the
same
voting
threshold
and
we
could
batch
them
together.
This
was
easy
to
implement
if
there
was
a
worst
case
scenario,
where
we
had
no
electricity
to
be
a
grid
issue.
E
We
could
do
this
in
the
senate
here
we
are
still
paper
based,
although
we
have
a
lot
of
electronic
processes
infused
into
it.
But
if
all
else
failed
and
our
electronics
went
down,
we
could
still
run
a
full
session
on
paper
and
batch
voting
was
our
best
friend
here.
It
kept
the
number
of
forms
and
letters
small
in
our
journal
and
I'll
show
you
next
slide.
E
These
are
my
rough
journals.
The
lower
left
picture,
those
four
journals
with
the
orange
square,
those
post-it
notes.
Those
were
all
from
one
day.
That's
april
15th,
when
we
did
the
89
senate
bills,
the
upper
right
hand
that
picture
those
are
five
journals
from
the
day
we
did
the
house
bills.
The
99.
If
we
had
not
been
batch
voting,
I
think
easily
each
day
would
have
been
an
additional
three
or
four
journals,
so
they
really
did
help
us
to
do
things
by
batches
next
slide
for
the
senate.
E
We
could
stay
in
our
our
home
base
and
still
safely
socially
distance.
So
that
was
a
huge
pro
and
then
we
implemented
live
streaming
in
january
of
2009.
Here
in
the
senate,
the
house
had
been
live
streaming
for
over
a
decade,
and
that
was
a
positive
contributor
to
the
overall
process
for
this
type
of
voting,
because
we
were
able
to
look
back
and
check
our
proceedings
next
slide
here
are
cons.
E
The
senate
chamber
is
now
being
retrofitted,
with
the
plexiglas
we're
pretty
excited
about
it.
I
think
my
principal's
excited
about
it.
We're
ordering
some
ppe
we're
ordering
new
computers
and
ipads
we're
upgrading
our
live
streaming
capabilities
in
the
chamber
and
the
senate
committee
rooms-
and
this
is
just
the
beginning,
I'm
sure
there's
more
to
come
next
slide.
E
E
E
A
E
A
E
The
process
to
assemble
a
batch,
it
was
based
on
the
page
in
the
agenda,
so
batch
one
was
page.
One
batch
two
was
page
two
and
three
and
four,
and
that
was
because
those
went
out
the
night
before
and
those
voting
by
proxy
needed
the
opportunity
to
review
the
agenda
be
clear
on
what
a
batch
was.
Let
us
know
if
they
wanted
anything
pulled
out
and
then
submit
their
proxies
back
to
us
so
that
their
designee
could
vocalize
their
vote
on
the
floor.
So.
E
A
E
It's
on
the
second
page
of
the
agenda,
so
if
you
want
to
watch
on
april
15th
or
16th,
you
will
see
senator
irvin,
who
was
covering
for
the
budget
chair
that
day
she
did
just
like
the
secretary
of
the
senate
would
have
done,
but
now
the
budget
chair
does
she
read
the
title
of
every
bill.
It
was
displayed
on
the
screen.
We
went
through
all
of
them
and
then,
if
there
were
any
questions
or
concerns
sure
they
had
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
But
there
really
wasn't
any
what
to
take
care
of
the
controversy.
E
It
was
pulled
out
of
the
batch
and
just
voted
on
separately,
so
they
could
say
what
they
wanted
to
say,
but
that
was
just
letting
us
know.
Clearly,
this
person
is
going
to
be
a
no
or
a
present
or
not
voting
on
this
bill,
but
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
transactions.
No,
we
didn't
have
amendments.
We
didn't
have
a
bunch
of
motions,
none.
E
Yes,
that
was
all
allowed
again.
This
was
a
fiscal
session,
the
big
the
big
amount.
So
not
I
don't
remember
any
there
might
have
been
one.
I
think
there
was
an
issue
with
higher
ed
now
during
the
special
session
with
those
two
bills.
Yes,
there
was
an
amendment
that
came
up.
We
had
to
withdraw
senate
bill,
one
senate
bill
two,
the
same
bill
really.
There
were
some
issues
on
that.
Yes,
but
again
the
people
who
submitted
by
proxy
they
they
didn't
contribute
any
additional
kerfuffles.
E
A
E
My
answer
is
going
to
be
probably
no,
but
because
they
were
in
contact
with
their
designee,
they
could
have
texted
them
if
they
needed
to
change
that
with
that
vocalization,
but
they
would
have
had
to
reset
submit
their
paperwork
to
us,
verifying
that
they
had
done
that.
So,
for
example,
senator
dismay
who
was
a
pro
tem
former
pro
tem,
he
was
a
proxy
for
a
member.
They
were
texting.
E
E
Worked,
I
cannot,
I
cannot
say
this
enough.
This
worked
for
the
special
because
it
was
two
bills.
I
can't
imagine
this
and
we
are
not
doing
the
proxy
process
for
a
regular
session
the
horror.
It
would
be
very,
very
difficult
to
make
sure
that
everything
was
accurate
with
the
gymnastics
of
a
regular
session.
The
special
session
worked
because
it
was
pretty
much
one
type.
All
appropriations
three-fourths
vote,
pretty
straightforward.
They
had
had
some
committee
hearings,
they
knew
what
was
going
on.
There
were
pretty
much
no
surprises,
that's
why
this
worked.
E
Sure
absolutely
yes,
of
course,
everything
else
that
was
in
our
rules
remained
the
same.
We
didn't
change
all
of
that,
but
with
the
prior
conference
calls
that
our
pro
team
had,
and
there
were
at
least
five
or
more,
it
was
just
strongly
reiterated
to
them
that
our
intention
and
our
goal
was
to
get
through
this
and
to
get
our
members
home
and
make
sure
that
staff
was
safe,
and
so
they
worked
out
as
much
as
they
possibly
could.
E
Prior
to
that
question
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
proxy
is
not
is
not
healthy
and
not
user
friendly
for
a
regular
session
because
of
those
gymnastics
and
those
motions
and
the
things
that
need
to
take
place
and
can
take
place
and
is
a
privilege
given
to
members
who
are
here
participating
in
the
seat
of
government.
We
just
didn't
have
it.
I
don't
know
about
the
house
side,
but
on
the
senate
side
now.
D
So
luckily,
luckily
for
us,
the
speaker
staff
took
control
of
that
so
but
for
when
they
did
bring
things
in,
they
made
sure
that
there
was
different
variety,
including
things
that
would
be
vegetarian
or
other
type
of
dietary
needs.
I
don't
know
if
they
did
polling
in
advance,
I'm
guessing
they
probably
didn't,
but
there
was
enough
variety
that
I
don't
think
there
was
any
issues.
A
I
don't
know
how
many
chambers,
out
there
have
what
we
have
in
oregon
called
the
member
lounge.
It's
really
a
member
only
cafeteria
and
I
used
to
have
hair
before
I
started
this
because
of
the
member
cafeteria,
the
gluten-free
and
the
allergies
and
the
vegetarians
and
the
issues
related
to
food.
Just
sort
of
are
so
consuming,
and
so
I'm
impressed
that
you
are
able
to
either
offload
that
responsibility
to
your
speaker's
office
or
get
through
it's
relatively
unscathed.
Like
that
anything
else,
people,
let's.
F
D
Offsite,
I
I
I'm
trying
to
recall
what
it
was
once
again.
I
think
we
were
hoping
to
keep
it
once
again,
relatively
cheap
as
possible.
We
didn't
break
my
budget,
but
you
know
it
was
more
than
I
probably
wanted
to
spend,
keep
in
mind
the
fourth
day
didn't
help,
including
the
meals
those
days.
The
the
av
costs
to
provide
microphones
for
each
member
was
more
expensive
than
we
wanted.
So
once
again,
that's
kind
of
why
I
mentioned
that.
D
A
Any
other
questions
that
occur
to
folks
to
ask
any
of
the
panelists
or
are
there
any?
Is
there
anything
that
the
panelists
would
have
said
given
more
time
now
that
you've
heard
everybody
else's
presentations?
Did
you
think
you
left
something
out
of
what
you
would
rather
would
and
you'd
rather
add
to
what
you
mentioned.
D
E
Yes,
you
did
a
great
job,
nothing
more
for
me.
Just
just
again,
I
think
the
biggest
takeaway
to
clarify
really
quickly
on
the
batch
tim,
the
the
nature
of
a
batch,
is
it's
like
a
consent
agenda.
Everybody
agrees,
no
one's
going
to
have
any
issues
and
for
the
years
that
we've
been
using
it
it's
it's
really
worked
and
it's
almost
always
used
for
appropriation
bills.
So
we
maximized
that
to
the
nth
degree
in
the
senate
this
time
and
that's
why
this
really
worked.
A
A
D
So
so,
keep
keep
in
mind
the
the
people
in
the
capital
had
their
normal
were
computers
and
phone
numbers,
the
people
in
the
convention
center.
For
the
most
part,
we
had
laptops
that
connected
to
our
email
at
the
capitol.
So
for
the
most
part
the
email
was
still
our
work,
email
and
all
that,
if
there
were
phone
calls,
then
usually
is
one
of
my
supervisors
I
had
on
at
the
convention
center.
D
D
A
A
That
are
there
any
other
questions
that
folks
would
like
to
ask
the
panelists
or
maybe
something
to
share.
I
think
I
think,
once
back
up
in
the
chat
susan
acevedas
asked
for
what
we
consult
consider
in
oregon
to
be
our
conceptual
framework.
That's
what
we
called
it,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
share
that,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
share
any
documents
that
you
have.
A
I
think
I
put
my
email
well,
my
emails
out
there,
it's
in
it's
in
the
society
stuff
and
it's
on
the
website
and
just
hit
me
up
I'd,
be
happy
to
share
any
of
this
information
with
you.
If
it's
at
all
helpful,
I'm
not
sure
any
of
it
is
the
secret
sauce
of
anything.
But
if
it
put
some
words
on
paper-
and
it
helps,
you
know-
stir
some
of
your
own
thoughts.
A
Help
so
are
arkansas,
idaho
or
illinois,
considering
remote
participation
for
members
2021.
I
suppose
this
is
a
regular
session
question.
It's
so
easy
all
these
things
in
the
context
of
a
special
session.
The
rules
are
so
much
different
and
it's
just
so
easy
to
do
things
differently.
We're
already
planning
2021
and
it's
not
a
part
of
the
plan
to
do
a
remote
participation
process
again
because
our
constitution
doesn't
really
allow
it.
How
are
the
other
states.
C
We
have.
We
have
a
committee,
that's
working
on
sort
of
a
a
menu
of
ideas,
including
having
two
different
locations.
If
we,
if
we
do
need
to
socially
distance
our
house
floor,
as
I
said,
isn't
sufficient
to
do
that
so
having
a
secondary
location
within
the
capital
where
half
of
our
members
would
go
and-
and
so
we
would
have
the
house
broken
into
two
different
pieces,
but
that's
not
we're
not
considering
that
to
necessarily
be
remote
if
you're
talking
about
people
in
their
pajamas
at
their
homes.
C
Absolutely
not
if
we're
talking
about
people
in
their
office
spaces
within
the
capital
that
that
is
a
possibility
if
the
if
the
pandemic
becomes
very,
very
bad.
But
that
is
a
very
unpopular
item
to
consider
within
our
legislature-
and
I
m
my
my
guess
after
this
extraordinary
session.
Is
that
nope
we're
not
going
to
do
any
of
that
and
we're
going
to
have
butts
in
the
seats
on
the
floor
and
we're
going
to
power
through?
So
that's
that's
how
I
think
it's
going
to
go
for
us.
D
For
yeah
for
illinois,
we
actually
attempted
to
pass
a
measure
in
may
when
we
were
at
the
convention
center.
That
would
have
provided
the
opportunity
if
things
continued
as
they're
going
for
our
veto
session.
That's
coming
up
in
november.
That
measure
failed
in
the
illinois
house.
So
at
this
point
we're
not
allowed
to
do
that.
So
at
this
point
our
options
are
to
go
back
to
our
house
chamber
or
to
go
to
one
of
the
other
off-site
locations
in
case.
E
A
See
my
chat
screen
has
been
minimized
here.
So
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
you
signing
off
k,
k,
n
abner
from
wisconsin
was
giving
us
thank
uk
for
the
feedback,
one
of
the
things
that
I
didn't
talk
about
very
much,
but
is
a
complicating
factor
that
john
you
talked
about,
but
I
I
didn't
hear
much
sabrina.
How
did
the
committee
process
one
of
the
things
that
we
corners
we
tried
to
slice
of
you
know,
cut
cut.
A
Maybe
was
that
to
in
order
to
have
adequate
social
dismixing
or
even
more
than
adequate?
We
allowed
members
to
participate
in
the
discussion
forums
of
committees
remotely
from
their
office
on
you,
know,
zoom.
We
actually
use
microsoft
teams
in
our
legislature
and
they
were
supposed
to
be
in
the
building
and
we
noticed
because
of
the
backgrounds
on
these
things
that
some
of
them
weren't
in
the
building
as
they
were
participating
on
this
in
their
committee
process.
A
There
was
no
consequences
to
that,
because
nobody
really
wanted
to
know
where
that
road
went.
Were
there
any
other
quirks
of
of
the
committee
process
that
you
think
could
be
improved
upon
john,
you
kind
of
had
a
committee
on
the
floor,
that's
as
straightforward
as
it
gets,
and
and
we
saw
what
happened
in
the
committees
in
kerry's
state.
So
sabrina
did
you
have
committee
processes
for
those
bills
that
you
talked
about.
E
Funny
you
should
ask
we
did
have
a
committee
of
a
hole
on
the
floor
in
the
special
session.
It
wasn't
necessary.
I
don't
think
in
the
fiscal
session
the
committee
space
had
been
changed.
They
had
taken
some
of
the
chairs
out,
so
it
was
a
little
easier
and
spaced
out,
but
not
perfect,
and
so
we
are
reviewing
that
process
as
thoroughly
as
we
can
going
into
2021
to
ensure
we
had
because
remember
the
buildings
were
closed.
So
there
there
was
no
public,
but
now
there's
the
public
back
to
keep
that
component.
E
Keep
members
safe,
keep
safe
staff,
space,
safe
them
out
and
then
make
sure
there's
virtual
participation
as
well.
So
that
is
to
be
continued
in
the
works
before
the
two
sessions.
We
had
one
committee
of
the
hole
on
the
floor
and
I
I
really
again-
I
don't
remember
anything
from
april
12th
to
april
24th.
So
I
don't
know
if
there
was
a
budget
meeting,
but
if
so
they
had
the
space
to
do
it
and
they
took
care
of
it.
A
A
We're
not
planning
to
use
it,
but
we
are
going
to
buy
it
and
I'd
be
interested
in
feedback
about
that
system.
Is
it
work
as
well,
and
I
think
michigan
you
guys
if
you're
still
in
the
room,
I
don't
know
used
it
for
one
of
your
special
sessions
or
was
if
it
was
a
special
session
or
not
and
it
got
and
it
seemed
to
go
all
right
as
anecdotally.
A
A
A
C
E
Saying
josh
had
a
quick
question
about
the
authentication
if
they're
voting
virtually
again
up
in
discussions
for
us
the
senate,
the
roll
call
is
the
soundtrack.
So
I
think
for
now,
if
we
can
see
them
and
the
secretary
of
the
senate
can
authenticate
that
our
presiding
officer
can
authenticate
them,
that's
the
one
who's
vocalizing
it
that
probably
will
stand
and
for
the
house,
I'm
not
sure
what
they're
going
to
do.
A
Looks
like
morgan
chimed
in
that
in
colorado.
You
had
to
be
seen
and
heard
in
order
for
a
remote
vote
to
be
authenticated
sufficiently
to,
because
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
that
I
share
is
that
if
they're
sitting
in
their
office
and
all
they
have
to
do
is
touch
this
button
on
their
laptop.
How
do
you
know
it's?
The
member
voting.
C
C
So
the
the
authentication
process
happens
through
their
ip
address,
apparently
so,
when
they
use
that
voting
program,
then
the
vote
that
comes
from
that
computer
from
that
login
to
our
to
my
to
my
control
panel,
which
is
how
it
would
run
through.
That
would
be
that's
how
we
would
deem
that
vote
to
be
authentic.
C
However,
on
top
of
that,
as
an
authentication
process,
we're
looking
at
seeing
their
face
so
so
that
we
know
that
the
person
sitting
in
front
of
the
computer
pushing
that
button
on
that
state
issued
laptop
is
the
actual
person.
I
I
don't
think
it
it
doesn't
take
away
my
fear
that
there
isn't
somebody
sitting
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
desk.
A
That
authenticates,
the
machine
in
oregon,
will
have
legislative
assistance
that
have
all
the
passwords
and
all
the
stuff
and
they
can
log
on
to
the
members
accounts
and
essentially
be
the
member.
If
you,
unless,
like
you
said,
you
see
the
actual
number
on
the
floor
of
the
house
of
representatives,
it
is
a
high
crime
and
treason
for
anybody,
but
that
legislator
to
push
their
voting
button-
and
you
know
replicating
that
in
the
remote
environment-
is
our
challenge.
C
Right,
none
of
our
none
of
our
members
have
staff,
so
it's
it's
them
or
nothing.
Basically,
now
that
doesn't
mean
that
they
don't
give
their
passwords
etc,
to
maybe
their
wife.
I
don't
know
something
like
that
and
we
haven't
addressed
how
it
what
would
what
we
would
do
in
the
event
that
that
person
had
a
substitute
because
we
allow
substitutes
for
members,
and
so
that's
a
you
know,
a
bridge
we
haven't
crossed
yet
and
of
course
ours
is
all
a
thought
process.
At
this
point
I
thought
exercise.
A
There's
lots
of
rules
that
prohibit
advocacy
on
the
floor
of
the
house
when
the
members
are
present
is
that
something
that
you
would
maintain
in
a
remote
environment
because
susan
furlong
puts
in
the
chat.
How
are
you
going
to
stop
a
lobbyist
from
being
in
their
office,
and
I
think
you
kind
of
mentioned
that
gary.
C
C
Now
that
doesn't
mean
that
a
member
can't
bring
somebody
back
there.
Obviously,
that's
you
know
it's
their
space
to
do
it
as
as
they
will.
But
that's
that's
the
challenge.
I
I
agree
with
susan
on
that
respect.
It
is
definitely
a
a
concern
that
we
have
so,
which
is
part
of
the
reason
why
we
probably
will
not
have
remote
voting
or
remote
members
remoting
in
on
zoom.
A
A
It
sounds
like
from
britney
younker's
note
in
the
chat
they're,
creating
their
own
website
system
based
web-based
system
where
members
can
log
in
with
their
own
credentials
and
vote
via
using
the
zoom
technology
like
we're
using
here,
hit
right
knee
up.
If
you
want
some
more
information,
she
says
she'd
be
happy
to
share
the
screenshots
of
that
system
and
how
that's
going
to
work.
C
The
one
thing
that
I
will
say
in
an
answer
to
susan's
susan
furlong's
comment
is,
I
don't
know
if
this
happens
to
you
guys.
We
don't
allow
anybody
on
the
house
floor,
but
our
members,
but
so
there
are
no
outside
people
sitting
on
the
floor
or
available
on
the
floor
with
our
members.
They
don't
even
have
staff
to
do
that.
However,
they
get
texts,
some
phone
calls
all
the
time
and
and
there's
not
anything.
We
can
really
do
about
that.
You
know
I'm
you
can.
C
A
A
A
F
Hey
tim,
can
I
comment
on
the
voting
and
virtual
voting
when
we
last
april,
when
we
were
in
session
a
special
session
here
in
wisconsin
like
washington,
we
also
had
our
tech
department.
They
created
a
web
page
for
each
senator,
that
they
could
only
sign
into
using
their
state
issued
laptops
and
that's
how
they
voted
after
we
started
session,
but
to
verify
they
were
actually
there
signed
in.
We
did
our
attendance
roll
call
by
voice
and
visual
to
make
sure
that
was
them,
and
then,
after
that,
we
use
this.
F
Where
we
usually
take
votes
by
you
know,
roll
call,
I
call
it
the
roll,
but
that
day
they
did
it
electronically
by
pushing
an
iron
a
on
their
computer
screen.
Once
the
we
took
a
vote
and
then
to
verify
that
as
well
after
we
got
the
results
of
that
which
took
you
know,
maybe
10
seconds,
because
every
it
came
pretty
quick.
One
of
my
staffers
would
read
those
votes
to
me
and
I
would
put
those
into
the
actual
system
voting
system
I
recorded
it,
but
by
him.
F
F
A
Jeff
since
you've
brought
it
up,
do
you
allow
members
to
use
any
device
like
in
oregon?
We
have
issues
because
the
state-issued
laptop
is
a
as
a
pc
device
and
yet
there's
those
the
mac
people
and
they
just
don't
want
to
touch
a
pc
right.
They
want
their
math
to
work
and
it
doesn't
not
the
same,
and
so
do
you
have
issues
like
that.
F
F
They
came
up
with
in
a
couple
weeks
all
this,
but
they
contacted
every
senator
at
home
or
their
chief
of
staff,
and
they
got
a
hold
of
all
their
laptops
ahead
of
time
made
sure
all
the
everything
was
updated
because
some
of
them
don't
turn
them
on
all
year.
You
know
so
it's
going
to
be
outdated
and
it'll
take
forever
to
update.
So
we
made
sure
all
that
was
done
in
advance
and
then
we
also
trained
them
and
their
staff
probably
on
how
to
get
on
and
we
had
trial
runs.
F
We
actually
did
trial
runs
before
we
came
into
session.
You
know
here
and
there
like
making
sure
they
could
all
get
on.
We
did
some
with
just
staff,
pretending
to
be
senators,
but
then
we
actually
did
one
day
where
we
had
the
senators
all
try
to
call
in
and
make
sure
everything
was
working.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
prep
work
and
testing
done
before
that,
and
it
seemed
to
go
without
a
hitch.
So
it
was,
it
worked
pretty
well,
I
thought.
A
F
Yeah
one
of
the
things
we
also
did
in
wisconsin
was
on
that
same
web
page.
There's
a
request
to
speak
button
that
the
president
could
see
and
could
call
on
those
people,
because
on
the
floor
they
can
just
stand
up
or
something
and
obviously
that
wasn't
happening
and
we
couldn't
have
it
set
up
to
where
he
could
see
everybody
waving
or
anything.
You
know
so
we
had
to
have
a
button.
So
we
created
a
button
on
that
same
page,
request
to
speak
as
well.
A
A
A
A
Oh,
it's
fascinating
and
thank
you
for
being
transparent
and
candid
with
us
and
all
the
information
that
you
gave
us
that
it
was
a
fascinating
endeavor
and
you
guys
did
so
much
work
so
quickly.
It's
impressive
to
see
and
thank
you
for
really
showing
us
how
it
worked
and
kind
of
what
you
winced
about
too.
I
think
that
was
very
interesting.
A
It
was
a
lot
of
calling
around
to
our
colleagues,
the
creativity
and
the
ingenuity
of
this
group
of
people
was
really
on
display
this
year
of
all
the
challenges
that
we
expected
to
face
and
all
the
management
issues
that
we
have
you
know
know
are
on
our
plate,
then
to
have
this
issue
thrown
at
us.
I
mean
these.
A
Are
you
know
deep
constitutional
questions
in
many
respects,
it's
impressive
to
see
how
all
the
states
manage
to
get
the
job
done
managed
to
adhere
as
as
closely
as
they
did
to
a
a
semblance
of
a
process
that
worked
as
well
as
the
the
incumbent
process
and
and
adapt
to
circumstances
that
were
changing
and
did
so
quickly.
I
think
it's
a
part.
A
It's
it's
a
real
feather
in
the
cap
of
the
organization,
our
society,
that
that
we
were
that
we
accomplished
this
thing
in
the
states
and
for
our
states,
so
the
collaborative
process,
the
these
pan,
these
types
of
panels,
the
things
that
are
gained,
the
relationships
that
are
formed
from
these
types
of
events,
really
are
making
a
difference
depending
on
whether
they
know
it
or
not.
Right
like
it,
never
really
matters
to
me
that
they're
so
cognizant
of
what
we
do.
A
So
with
that
I
am
going
to
sign
off
the
meeting
feel
free
to
text
me
email
me,
I'm
going
to
send
my
stuff
to
holly
and
she'll
send
that
out
with
them
with
the
rest
of
it,
but
at
a
little
bit
after
one
o'clock
here
on
the
west
coast,
I'm
gonna
say
have
a
nice
day,
everybody.
It
was
great
to
see
you
and
great
to
have
spend
some
time
with
you.