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A
Good
morning
and
good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
to
ncsl's
virtual
redistricting
seminar.
This
session
is
called
developing
a
dialogue,
public
input
and
legislative
outreach.
We
want
this
to
be
an
interactive
experience
for
all
of
you,
so
I
briefly
want
to
point
out
a
couple
of
features
of
this
page
to
the
right
of
the
screen.
Where
you
can
see
me,
you
will
note
tabs
that
say:
chat
and
q.
A
the
chat
function
is
to
allow
you
to
interact
with
colleagues
attending
the
session.
A
What
are
the
community
groups
that
are
in
these
districts
doing
to
gather
public
input
and
present
it
to
legislatures
or
in
the
states
that
have
commissions,
commissioners
and
what
should
states
be
ready
for
and
what
can
they
do
to
encourage
not
just
a
one-way
conversation
between
the
community
to
the
state
but
to
the
state
out
to
the
community
as
well
and
make
it
more
of
a
dialogue
rather
than
a
a
presentation?
If
you
will
so,
this
has
been
complicated
somewhat
by
the
fact
that
covet
19
has
prevented
states
from
going
with
the
plans.
A
They
had
originally
been
envisioning,
but
I
think
that
there's
some
value
in
hearing
about
what
is
being
done
at
the
community
level
and
then
hearing
from
a
state
that
is
already
soliciting
public
input
for
its
redistricting
plans.
And
we
have
experts
from
both
of
those
to
talk
to
you
today.
So
we
have
from
the
community
side
fred
mcbride,
who
is
the
redistricting
and
voting
rights
policy
specialist
at
the
lawyers
committee
for
civil
rights
under
law,
and
we're
very
grateful
to
have
him
with
us
and
then
on
the
state
side.
A
We
have
quindo
and
keith
beal,
who
are
both
with
the
oklahoma
legislature.
Quinn
is
on
the
house
side.
She
is
the
policy
analyst
and
registration
coordinator
for
the
oklahoma
house,
and
then
keith
is
the
redistributing
director
for
the
oklahoma
state
senate
and
keith
and
quinn
have
been
holding
several
hearings
already,
both
in
person
and
virtually
to
discuss
public
input
across
the
state,
and
so
we're
very
excited
to
hear
about
how
they
decided
to
set
up
the
system.
A
They
set
up
the
decisions
that
they
were
going
through
in
doing
that
and
their
virtual
in-person
mix
in
the
time
of
covet
and
any
thoughts
they
have
for
states
that
are
thinking
about
setting
this
up.
So
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
fun
hour
and
just
to
start
it
off,
I'm
going
to
throw
it
over
to
you
fred
for
a
discussion
of
what
the
community
is
thinking
about
right
now.
In
terms
of
public
input,.
B
My
name
is
fred
mcbride
and
I'm
the
redistricting
and
voting
rights
policy
specialist
for
the
lawyers
committee
for
civil
rights
under
law,
I'll
mention
briefly
that
it's
a
little
bittersweet
for
me,
our
director,
kristen
clarke,
has
been
nominated
by
vice
president-elect,
joe
biden
to
serve
as
the
civil
rights
lead
attorney
in
the
department
of
justice
at
the
number
four
position.
So
it's
a
little
bittersweet
in
that.
B
I
have
been
asked
to
do
this
panel
and
I'm
missing
an
address
by
her
in
our
organization,
but
duty
is
first
and
and
redistricting
is
something
I've
been
doing
now
for
about
22
years,
and
it
is
very
passionate
to
me
so
aside
from
wishing
kristen
the
best,
I
am
happy
to
be
here
with
you
today.
What
I'm
going
to
spend
the
next
15
minutes
or
so
discussing
is
what
the
public
has
been
doing
to
prepare
for
the
2020.
B
B
B
I'll
share
with
you,
what's
been
going
on
in
a
lot
of
the
states
that
we've
worked
in,
and
I've
been
everywhere
honestly,
as
well
as
the
resources
that
are
available
ideas
going
into
the
redistricting
season
whenever
that
is,
and
some
things
that
you
are
working
in
the
state
legislature
and
or
being
in
the
state
legislature
may
want
to
be
concerned
about.
I
want
to
share.
I
want
to
start
by
by
discussing
first
what
a
unique
opportunity
this
is
to
engage
in
redistricting.
B
As
I
mentioned.
I
started
this
back
in
the
1990s
and
I
am
aging
myself
here,
but
I
have
never
seen
such
attention
played
to
the
drawing
of
maps.
I
also
come
from
an
academic
background
teaching
college
students
about
politics
and
I
always
got
excited
about
electoral
participation,
but
to
the
extent
that
the
public
is
engaged
in
their
federal
state
and
local
redistricting.
B
I
have
never
seen
it
at
this
level
and
I
attribute
that
to
the
surge
of
interest
and
our
elections,
the
november
elections
and
subsequent
elections,
the
voter
turnout,
all
of
that
and
the
idea
that
people
are
saying
that
democracy
or
a
tool
of
democracy
isn't
just
exercising
the
vote
is
paying
attention
to
our
representatives
and
the
districts
from
which
they
come
from.
That
is
enormous.
Now
it's
being
discussed
in
the
media,
it's
being
discussed
on
college
campuses
and
yes,
town
halls,
albeit
virtual
town
halls
now,
but
town
halls
and
communities
are
like.
B
Okay,
no
longer
do
you
find
out,
for
example,
oh
I
live
in
this
district
because
you
happen
to
be
going
to
vote
and
realize
that
you're
in
a
different
district.
I
come
from
a
generation
that
really
got
the
information
that
way
it
is
a
different
world.
Now
people
are
going
online
to
assess
this
information
plus
they
have
decided
that
they
want
to
participate.
B
How
were
these
lines
drawn
and
why
were
they
drawn,
and
I
honestly
don't
envy
you
where
you
will
be
in
the
future
months
coming
because
you'll
be
getting
these
calls
what's
going
to
happen
to
my
community?
Are
you
merging
me
with
this
district?
Are
we
going
to
be
in
a
different
district?
Will
we
be
able
to
vote
for
this
official?
You
are
about
to
be
delivered
a
slot
of
questions
or
slate.
I
should
say
of
these
questions,
and
so
what
I
want
to
share
with
you
is
what
this
community
has
been
doing.
B
B
Please
don't
quote
me
the
subsequent
pl
94171
redistricting
files,
maybe
july,
maybe
august
we
don't
know.
We
know
that
state
legislatures
have
to
deal
with
scheduling
and
timing
issues,
hearings
and
all
of
the
like,
but
the
public
is
aware
of
this
as
well
and,
as
I
mentioned
some
two
years
ago,
these
conversations
started.
B
What
actually
was
a
a
primary
if
you
will
for
them
was
the
interest
in
the
census,
because
so
much
attention
was
paid
to
unfair
to
a
fair
and
accurate
count
that
when
these
seminars
took
place
before
the
pandemic,
and
I
went
to
a
number
of
them-
I
participated
in
the
number
and
a
number
of
them.
People
discussed
the
funding
implications
of
a
fair
count,
but
people
also
talked
about
representation.
B
B
I
do
want
to
also
point
to
the
fact
that
we
are
in
a
pandemic,
and
these
conversations
now
are
all
taking
place
virtually.
I
just
got
an
email
this
morning
about
participation
in
a
virtual
town
hall
in
mississippi.
The
proud
state
from
which
I
am
from
I'm
in
the
maryland
dc
area
now,
but
I'm
a
mississippian
everyone
is
interested.
B
Gone
are
the
days
where
we
see
the
map
presented
in
a
paper,
and
we
hear
about
a
hearing
a
week
or
two
later
come
to
the
hearing
to
view
what
the
legislative
members
have
drawn
and
then
go
back
and
talk
about
it.
Those
days
are
gone
now
we
are
seeing
an
onslaught
of
resources
and
and
participation,
and
you
getting
what
communities
want
and
members
being
asked.
B
Remember
us
we
are
in
this
community.
We
want
to
stay
here.
We
are
concerned
about
this.
We
are
concerned
about
that.
So
all
of
that
is
in
play.
Let's
talk
about
some
partnerships
going
on.
There
are
state
meetings
with
organizations
like
the
lawyers
committee,
civil
rights
organizations,
maybe
some
meetings
and
when
I
say
state
meetings
I
mean
the
overall
state,
not
members
of
the
state
but
groups
within
a
state
deciding
to
get
on
a
virtual
call
as
such
as
this
and
discuss
redistricting.
B
Those
are
taking
place
with
a
number
of
local
groups-
community
oriented
groups,
groups
that
are
geared
toward
issues
like
civil
rights,
the
environment,
economic
concerns.
All
of
these
groups
now
see.
Finally,
that
redistricting
matters
it
is
important
and
they've
also
taken
the
mantle
to
discern
to
tell
you
that
it's
not
just
left
up
to
members,
it's
not
just
left
up
to
elected
officials,
they
are
telling
us
and
you
that
they
want
to
participate
and
they
will
not
blindly
sit
by.
B
So
there
are
these
meetings
with
organizations
within
states,
non-profit
organizations
such
as
the
lawyers
committee
and
a
number
aclu
ldf.
A
number
of
groups
are
participating
in
these
meetings
because
we
kind
of
have
the
background,
the
expertise
I
draw
maps.
I
do
statistics
and
a
lot
of
organizations
have
people
like
that
who
provide
public
education,
but
also
can
draw
you
a
map
and
or
assist
you
in
drawing
your
own
and
community
activists.
B
B
There
are
professional
software
programs
that
you
can
go
out
and
spend
lots
of
money
on
like
on
like
what's
on
my
very
computer
here,
but
everyday
citizens
don't
need
that
there
are
open
source
programs
and
by
open
source
I
mean
go
online
and
look
up
a
website
and
there
is
there's
district
r.
There's
dave
redistricting,
there's
a
number
of
resources
available
that
give
you
an
online
tutor
tutorial
and
the
actual
means
to
draw
a
plan
that
is
out
there
a
statewide
plan,
a
local
plan.
It
is
there
and
communities
are
learning
how
to
access
that.
B
Now,
I'm
happy
that
it's
in
the
public's
hands
it
may
be.
It
may
take
some
work
away
from
me.
Who's
been
drawing
them
professionally
for
years,
but
I
welcome
that
someone
can
sit
at
home
in
front
of
their
computer.
Draw
a
plan,
call
you
and
say
I've
got
a
plan.
How
do
I
get
this
presented?
I
welcome
because,
in
my
opinion,
that
is
what
democracy
is
now
there's
also
when
people
are
looking
at
mapping
and
such
they're,
also
taking
on
a
number
of
other
tools
like
how
were
elections
done
under
the
past
districts.
B
So
there
is
a
great
concern.
As
you
know,
withdrawing
districts
people
have
a
concern
about
election
data
and
just
precinct
precinct
alignment.
All
of
that
I
will
mention
the
redistricting
data
hub,
which
is
a
valuable
resource
tool
that
will
have
a
data
of
that
will
have
data
available
for
all
50
states
for
the
public
to
go
in
on
there's
no
special
license
that
needs
to
be
procured.
B
That
is
what
you're
about
to
see
a
great
deal
of
participation.
This
is
important.
This
is
important
one
because
for
the
first
time
in
my
lifetime
there
will
be
no
section
five,
so
there
will
be
great
public
participation
in
ensuring
that
a
fair
plan
is
drawn
because
there's
no
stop
gap
measure
after
the
legislature
accepts
a
plan
and
and
and
makes
that
plan
law
there's.
B
No,
if
you
were
in
a
covered
jurisdiction,
there's
no
well,
let's
deal
with
the
department
of
justice
because
we
are
under
the
pre-clearance
requirement
of
section
five,
and
now
we
can
talk
to
the
department
of
justice
civil
rights
division
about
how
we
think
this
plan
dilutes
minority
voting
strength.
For
example,
that's
gone
so
people
see
this
as
we've
got
to
get
it
right
this
time
and
they
will
be
pressuring
you
and
your
members
on
their
particular
concerns.
B
We
want
to
discuss
a
hearing
schedule
which
I
know
we
don't
know
when
the
census
data
will
be
released,
but
it's
going
to
be
important
because
people
want
to
attend
that
hearing.
We
need
to
discuss
this
volume
of
participation.
That'll
be
protest
that
that
will
be
coming
in
this
redistricting
cycle
and
the
public
wants
to
know.
B
What
is
your
state's
policy
on
public
submission
of
plans?
Do
you
have
one?
If
not,
why
don't
you
so?
Those
questions
will
be
coming
and
I
think
putting
all
this
information
on
your
websites
is
is
is
so
important
because
there
are
state
websites
I
love
going
to.
They
have
gis
they've
got
tools.
They've
got
a
lot
of
stuff
out
there
that
that's
helpful
for
me,
but
information
is
key.
It's
valuable,
I'm
going
to
close,
because
I'm
starting
to
talk
a
little
too
much.
Some
concerns
that
you
may
want
to
consider
going
forward.
B
The
census
data
release
this
redistricting
file
and
your
hearing
schedule.
I
know
some
states
may
be
dealing
with
some
time
some
timing
issues
and
again.
I
know
that
this
is
going
to
be
of
grave
concern
for
all
of
us,
because
we
don't
know
when
we're
going
to
get
it
and
we
can't
draw
a
plan
until
we
get
this
data.
B
The
public
is
asking
for
transparency
again
mind
you
what
I
said
earlier:
they're
not
waiting
for
the
map
to
be
printed
on
your
newspapers
in
your
states
and
then
they
just
hear
about
it.
They
want
to
participate
in
this
process,
they
want
to
know
how
to
participate
in
it
and
they
want
to
come
and
tell
you
what
they
think
about
the
plan.
You've
drawn
transparency
is
is
an
issue
we
would
love
for
your
the
the
states
to
update
their
redistricting
policies
and
guidelines.
A
lot
of
them
still
have
2010
think
things
have
changed
since
2010.
B
Hopefully,
websites
will
have
this
updated
and
be
mindful
that
not
everyone
is
of
the
generation
that
does
everything
on
a
cell
phone.
Most
of
the
people
that
I
get
involved
with
are
people
who
are
older
than
me,
and
I
am
pretty
old.
They
don't
use
twitter
and
instagram
and
facebook,
and
I
think
it's
important
going
forward.
We
stop
thinking,
we
can
do
everything
online
and
we
print
some
stuff.
There
are
some
people
that
want
something
in
their
hand
and
they
want
to
read,
and
I
welcome
a
conversation
and
questions
from
you
later.
B
C
Thank
you,
fred.
That
was
really
great
to
hear
the
other
perspective
and
I'm
happy
to
talk
today
about
what
the
oklahoma
house
is
doing
for
public
input
and
public
engagement.
To
start,
I'm
going
to
start
sharing
my
screen
really
quick
and
I
think
I
hope
everybody
is
able
to
see
it,
but
I'm
quindo,
I'm
the
redistricting
coordinator
for
the
house.
Hey
we're
not
seeing
the.
C
C
C
And
to
do
that,
I
need
to
talk
about
how
every
single
member
of
the
house
of
representatives
here
in
oklahoma
is
named
to
the
redistricting
committee.
Our
speaker,
speaker,
charlotte
mccall,
really
wanted
a
inclusive,
transparent
process
that
really
emphasizes
the
public's
involvement
in
this
process,
and
so
he
split
up
the
state
into
eight
regional
subcommittees.
C
Because
when
I
first
thought
about
this,
I
had
reached
out
to
ncsl
and
asked
asked
their
experts
to
tell
me
or
kind
of
survey
the
states
on
what
they
were
doing
and
together
between
what
was
done.
In
the
past,
and
what
I
think
would
be
a
process
that
involves
all
voices,
whether
it's
digital
print,
old
someone,
that's
not
familiar
with
technology
or
someone
who
is
very
familiar
with
technology,
we
try
to
cover
all
those
spaces.
So
the
first
thing
that
you
could
do
is
a
dedicated
email
for
public
input.
C
Ours
is
redistrict
oklahoma,
2020
at
okhouse.gov,
the
senate,
my
senate
counterpart
keith,
he's
on
the
call
right
now
as
well.
They
have
one
for
the
senate
as
well.
We
launched
that
in
september
of
2019.,
so
we've
been
taking
public
feedback
for
over
a
year.
Now,
that's
easy!
That's
cheap!
It's
really
a
good
way
to
be
responsive
immediately
to
anyone
who
has
questions.
C
The
next
thing
is
a
redistricting
website,
like
fred
mentioned
a
one-stop
shop
for
house
redistricting
information
where
we
talk
about
where
we
have
all
the
resources
on
there,
where
we
have
information
about
the
process,
information
about
where
the
town
halls
are,
and
information
like
gis
and
interactive
maps
of
the
latest
data,
what
our
guidelines
are
going
to
be,
we
post
them
all
on
there.
So
the
redistricting
website
for
the
house
it
launched
in
october
of
2020.
C
C
The
redistricting
website
is
going
to
take
a
little
bit
more
of
thought
and
you're
going
to
have
to
involve
your
I.t
department,
so
not
as
easy
as
just
a
dedicated
email
for
public
input,
but
it's
important
to
have
a
place
where
the
public
can
go
to
find
all
of
that
information
under
one
one
roof.
The
next
thing
is
our
regional
town
halls,
so
we
are
doing
18
in-person
town
halls
across
the
state.
C
We
have
a
lot
of
gis
and
interactive
maps
that
are
on
the
house
redistricting
website
as
well,
and
we
load
it
with
the
latest
census
data.
So
right
now,
we've
got
the
newest
release
from
the
2019
acs
data
on
there
it's
down
to
the
block
group
level,
and
so
the
public
can
kind
of
gauge
where
their
districts
are
trending.
In
terms
of
population
change.
C
We
have
some
demographic,
racial
and
ethnic
data
that
is
embedded
into
those
interactive
maps,
so
you
can
put
on
all
the
different
layers
and
I'll
show
you
an
example
of
what
that
looks
like
as
well
in
oklahoma
for
the
oklahoma
house
in
the
senate
as
well.
Public
maps
are
going
to
be
accepted
this
time,
and
the
only
thing
is
that
we
ask
that
a
statewide
map
be
drawn
and
we
will
have
an
opera.
We
will
set
an
opportunity
for
the
public
to
come
present
those
maps
to
the
committee
as
well.
C
Okay,
so
earlier
I
said,
every
member
of
the
house
is
a
member
of
a
subcommittee
for
redistricting.
So
this
is
just
an
example
of
tweets
facebook
page
posts
that
our
members
have
posted
to
kind
of
get
the
word
out
about
the
town
halls.
These
are
members
from
both
sides
of
the
aisle,
and
I,
if
I
had
the
time
there
are
so
many
of
these
tweets
facebook
posts
press
releases
that
have
been
generated.
C
I
think
I
did
a
search
I'll
show
you
on
the
next
page
on
the
right
of
the
screen.
Here
are
columns
that
our
members
have
written
and
their
local
newspapers
regarding
the
upcoming
town
halls.
I
think
I
did
a
search,
and
I
saw
that
between
just
in
one
month,
between
november
30th
and
december
30th,
we
had
29
different
publications,
local
publications,
talk
about
the
upcoming
town
halls,
and
so
here
are
some
statistics
about
the
attendance
who
attends
and
the
commonly
asked
questions
that
we've
received.
C
So
state
legislators
are
definitely
there
and
so
the
public
interested
public
members
or
civic
group
leaders
or
the
city
and
county
officials.
They
can
come
and
talk
with
their
state
legislators
about
what
they
think.
The
new
district's
lines
should
look
like
what
makes
the
most
sense
for
their
area.
The
commonly
asked
questions
are
transparency,
political
fairness.
C
A
lot
of
people
are
being
educated
about
the
process
and
we
talk
about
the
timeline.
There
are
questions
about
the
census
procedures,
how
other
boundaries
are
drawn,
not
just
legislative
and
congressional,
but
you
know,
precinct
lines
are
redrawn
county
commissioner
districts
are
redrawn,
municipal
awards
can
be
redrawn
among
others.
People
certainly
ask
about
population
trends
and
talk
about
their
preference
for
county
or
city
splits,
whether
a
district
should
remain
rural
or
they
believe
that
there
should
be
a
suburb
and
urban
leaning
for
a
district.
C
The
way
that
I
plan
on
organizing
and
sharing
this
public
testimony
to
our
committee
members
is
that
if
you
send
an
email
to
redistrict,
oklahoma,
2020
or
if
you
had
public
testimony
at
the
town
halls
or
if
you
write
a
comment
through
our
website,
that's
all
summarized
in
a
report
and
sent
to
the
committee.
If
there's
a
specific
district
concern,
we
group
them
by
those
subcommittee
regions
that
I
talked
about
earlier
and
then
here's
just
an
example
of
some
of
the
resources
that
we
have
on
our
website.
C
You
know
fred
was
talking
about
gis,
stuff,
interactive
maps,
data,
and
so,
if
you
look
on
the
top
on
the
bottom,
we've
got
just
one
shot
of
the
different
types
of
tools
we've
got.
So
if
you
wanted
to
see
what
your
house
district
looked
like
after
the
1990
census
after
it
was
redistricting,
we've
got
that
on
there
through
a
1990
shapefile
same
for
2000
same
for
2010..
C
If
you
want
to
look
at
the
demographics
of
your
legislative
district,
that's
available,
we've
got
a
layer
list.
So
if
you
want
to
compare
how
the
district,
if
it
crosses
with
other
city
boundaries,
if
it
is
within
your
county,
commissioner
district
within
your
city,
council
war
district,
those
are
all
things
that
you
can
compare
on
there
and
that's
all
these
tools
are
provided
and
done
by
our
great
gis
coordinator,
trisha
heinz
and
we've
also
got
a
team
of
gis
analysts
with
us.
For
your.
C
D
D
I
think
what
I'll
talk
about
is
is
a
some
of
the
challenges
that
we've
had
because
of
kovid,
and
I
realize
that
not
everyone's
going
to
be
able
to
to
do
in
person
because
of
either
local
rules
or
regulations,
but
for
those
of
you
that
can
do
those,
not
all
the
sites
would
take
us.
You
know,
we'd
have
to
call
around
each
site
is
a
little
different.
D
D
This
is
an
example
from
the
other
night.
This
is
actually
going
to
climb
to
the
house.
You
can
see
the
the
seats
are
spread
out
and
and
separated,
and
then
this
is
very
similar
to
what
we've
had
in
a
lot
of
them.
You
can
see
the
seats
they're,
not
letting
you
sit
there,
so
we're
kind
of
socially
distanced
throughout
the
through
the
through
the
whole
thing.
So
that's
pretty
much
a
standard
wherever
we
go
for
each
for
each
locations.
D
D
D
Also,
the
emails
have
been
really
good,
mind
redistricting
at
okaysenate.gov,
I
get
you
know
two
or
three
and
then
two
or
three,
so
they
kind
of
come
in
spurts
they're
easy
to
respond
to
I,
depending
on
where
our
town
halls
go.
If
I
had
a
question
from
that
area,
I
go
ahead
and
ask
that
question
at
the
town
hall
for
that
area,
even
if
it
was
someone
who
had
submitted
it
earlier
during
the
town
halls.
D
D
D
A
Great
thank
you
keith
and
thank
you
quinn
and
fred
as
well.
That
was
really
informative
and
I
think
that
this
is
something
that
a
lot
of
people
are
thinking
about,
because
we
got
a
lot
of
questions
in
the
chat
right
now.
We're
up
to
10
and
they've,
been
coming
in
quick,
so
I'll
get
started
with
the
one
that
has
the
most
up
votes
right
now
and
I'm
gonna
direct
it
to
all
of
you,
because
I
think
that
it
has
multiple
components.
A
Is
it's
already
difficult
enough
to
ensure
that
the
public
input
that
is
being
given
has
some
applicability
or
is
discernible
in
the
in
a
particular
context,
so
that
the
legislators
or
commissioners
who
are
responsible
for
doing
redistricting
can
understand
how
to
use
it,
and
so
I'm
gonna
throw
it
first
to
you,
keith
and
quinn.
We
can
go
in
that
order
and
just
ask
what
are
the
things
that
you've
noticed.
A
Having
done
these
already,
that
have
facilitated
better
public
comments
than
others
and
then
fred
I'm
going
to
throw
it
to
you
as
well.
Be
I
want
to
interested
to
know
if
there
have
been
discussions
or
resources
that
have
been
produced
by
community
organizations
to
help
focus
and
sharpen
the
public
comments
so
that
they
are
of
a
sufficient,
I'm
not
gonna,
say
quality,
because
I
think
all
public
feedback
is
worthwhile,
but
all
of
us
are
of
a
sufficient
form
so
that
redistricters
can
actually
pick
them
up
and
use
them.
D
D
C
Better
I'll
answer
that
question
a
little
bit,
I
think,
just
being
responsive
at
in
all
the
communication
channels
that
you
can
one
thing
that
I've
noticed
that
I
think
helps
foster
more
public
input
at
the
town
halls
is
seeing
your
state
representatives
there
in
the
meeting
as
well
and
being
able
to
hear
a
response
from
them.
So
all
our
town
halls
we've
seen
pretty
good
turnout
from
the
representatives
in
our
our
region
and
the
other
thing
is
we.
C
We
set
up
a
standing
mic
in
the
middle
of
the
room
for
people
to
approach
and
ask
questions
that
puts
people
on
the
spot
a
little
bit
because
it's
being
recorded.
So
you
know
we
don't
get
a
lot
of
questions
on
the
camera,
but
we
always
stick
around
afterwards
and
have
conversations
look
at
the
maps.
Together,
I
bring
multiple
maps
to
the
town
halls
district
profiles.
C
I
have
a
little
trisha
has
made
a
graphic,
showing
the
district
shape
and
size
over
time,
so
that
just
helps
people
think
about
those
changes
a
little
bit
more.
So,
just
having
sticking
around
being
able
to
answer
questions
having
access
to
the
legislators
who
actually
represent
them,
I
think
that
helps
foster
better
public
input
in
the
process.
D
B
B
Not
only
can
you
draw
a
statewide
plan,
you
can
also
draw
and
upload
your
community
using
those
blocks
and
those
block
groups.
You
can
define
your
communities,
we
have
a
project
with
colleges
and
universities
and
when
I'm
out
speaking
about
redistricting
and
in
our
project
with
colleges
and
universities,
we've
asked
them.
B
What
is
the
college
community
here?
Because,
honestly,
it's
not
just
the
college
campus
and
many
college
campuses
have
a
precinct.
It's
the
area
around
the
college
campus,
it's
the
community,
it's
the
houses,
it's
the
apartments!
It's
that
area
around!
That's
part
of
and
inclusive
in
that
college
campus.
You
can
go
on
an
open
source
site
and
you
can
draw
that
you
can
draw
that
community
and
you
can
draw
several
communities.
You
know
where
the
agricultural
community
is.
You
know
where
the
technology
community
is.
B
You
know
where
a
bunch
of
college
professors
live
where
teachers
live.
You
know
this,
you
can
define
them
and
that's
what
they're
going
to
come
and
stand
before
you
if
they're
able
or
be
on
a
virtual
call
and
chat
in
and
say
this
is
my
community
and
now
when
they
can
do
this
physically
at
a
town
hall,
they
can
come
and
show
you
their
community
and
they
want
to
be
in.
They
want
to
be
together.
B
They
don't
want
it
to
be
split,
and
let
me
end
on
this
note
in
increasing
participation,
show
that
you're
interested
in
them
show
that
you
care
about
their
concerns.
I
will
be
honest
and
tell
you
no
one
wants
a
forum
letter.
Thank
you
for
your
interest
in
redistricting
will
take
it
under
advisement,
but
I
also
know
that
you
can't
answer
hundreds
of
thousands
of
questions,
so
maybe
it's
going
to
be
interesting
to
discuss.
B
A
Great
thank
you
to
all
of
you
and
just
a
note
for
the
audience
fred
mentioned
the
free
web,
app
district
or
districtor
was
developed
in
part
by
dr
munduchin,
who
was
a
faculty
member
on
this
seminar
yesterday.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
about
that
platform,
I
would
recommend
reaching
out
to
her
and
the
software
developers
that
she
worked
with
on
that.
She
can
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
more
about
how
that
works
and
the
use
cases
for
which
she
thinks
it's
most
valuable.
A
C
So
on
the
redistricting
website,
I
created
a
page
and
it
just
said
can't
make
it
to
one
of
the
18
town
halls
around
the
state.
Please
join
us
for
the
next
virtual
town
hall,
we'll
answer
your
questions
in
real
time
and
they
could
just
join
through
the
link
using
microsoft
teams.
They
didn't
have
to
download
the
team's
platform
if
they
clicked
just
joined
by
web
browser.
C
That
helps
a
lot
because
I
think
if
you
make
it
harder
or
they
have
to
download
multiple
apps
just
to
be
able
to
participate,
that
that
can
turn
some
of
the
public
members
of
the
public
who
want
to
join
off
and
then
yeah
microsoft
team
works
greatly.
We
had
people
be
able
to
unmute
themselves
and
ask
questions
at
the
end,
and
then
we
also
looked
at
the
chat
regularly
just
kind
of
like
we're
doing
right
now
and
addressing
questions
as
they
go
and
we
generally
stay
on
until
the
very
last
question
is
is
asked.
D
Ben
it
worked
out
great.
Like
quinn
said
she
had
a
link
on
the
house
site.
We
had
the
same
link
on
the
senate
website.
We
we
put
it
out
on
social
media.
With
the
link
press
release
had
the
link,
so
I
mean
it
went.
It
went
good
and,
like
I
said
you
just
have
to
work
with
your
I.t
staff
and
your
state.
You
know
to
to
work,
what's
going
to
work
with
you,
but
we
did
the
the
screenshots
and
all
in
there
quinn's
pulling
up
her
screenshot
right
now.
Yeah
this.
C
A
So
if
you
are
not
a
state
that
uses
it
frequently,
just
ask
your
I.t
specialist
to
see
what
your
availability
is,
because
it
has
a
lot
of
similar
components
to
both
zoom
and
the
free
public
platform
called
slack,
and
the
video
component
can
be
used
for
public
meetings
like
this
in
a
way
that
doesn't
require
a
new
line
item
in
the
budget.
So
moving
on.
A
There
are
quite
a
few
questions
I
want
to
I'm
trying
to
keep
them
on
the
same
topic,
and
I
want
to
jump
back
and
forth.
So
there
was
one
more
about
these
meetings
and
there's
a
couple.
Questions
similar
to
this.
I'm
going
to
combine
a
few
mary
in
kansas
is
asking
what
is
the
most
useful
type
of
input
for
legislators?
Drawing
districts?
Is
it?
Is
it
a
full
map,
or
is
it
the
granular
identification
of
communities
of
interest
and
quinn
I'll?
Give
it
to
you
first
and
then
keith.
C
Sure,
in
my
opinion,
so
we
we
had
a
town
hall
in
oklahoma
city
and
we
heard
from
the
mayor
and
some
people
with
the
chamber
of
commerce
there,
and
they
said
we
don't.
We
think
the
splitting
up
of
small
towns
is
hard
for
our
representation
and
they
identified
which
districts
split
those
small
towns.
That's
very
helpful,
because
that
immediately
translate
into
something
that
we
can
solve
in
the
next
plan.
In
other
town
halls,
we
hear
the
same
thing:
keep
counties
whole
keep
rural
districts,
rural,
keep
urban
districts.
Urban,
keep
this
community
together.
C
D
And
I
think
I
mean
that
pretty
much
sums
it
up.
I
mean
every
community
is
a
little
different,
but
the
number
one
thing
that
comes
up
is
people
have
a
an
opinion
on
their
local
community,
what
it
should
be
like
and
what
it
shouldn't
be
like.
So
that's
pretty
much
a
consistent
theme
wherever
we're
at
whether
it's
urban
or
rural
in
oklahoma.
That's
pretty
much
a
consistent
theme
for
the
useful
type
of
input
that
a
legislator
could
hear,
and
I
think
it's
good.
We've
had
really
good
participation.
D
B
And,
and
and
I'll
speak
briefly,
I
agree
with
with
keith
and
quinn.
I
I
found
in
my
experience
over
the
over
these
cycles.
Everybody
is
more
concerned
about,
and
and
what's
important
for
the
legislator
toward
is
that
community
in
that
particular
district.
Although
I
I
love,
when
everyone
draws
a
a
full
statewide
plan,
but
if
you're
in
california
that's
going
to
be
interesting,
you
take
that
on
your
own.
However,
they
want
to
know
people
key
into
where
they
live
whenever
they
look
at
a
statewide
plan.
A
Great,
thank
you.
So
next
question
is
from
senator
jim
bolin
and
he
is
asking
about
timing.
So
I
imagine
when
you're
scheduling
these
in-person
and
virtual
online
public
hearings
you're
thinking
about
what
times
will
people
actually
be
available,
because
a
lot
of
folks
are
at
work
during
some
of
the
times
when
you
could
schedule
them?
So,
do
you
have
a
recommendation
on
having
public
hearings,
for
example
in
the
evening,
so
that
more
people
can
come
and
how
do
you
resolve
timing
concerns.
D
B
And
and
I'm
going
to
agree
a
a
majority,
a
great
deal
of
my
work
has
been
in
the
south,
they've
always
been
in
the
in
the
evening.
Hours
and
I'll
be
very
honest
when
some
more
local
ones
occurred
in
the
afternoon
we
tend
and
the
public
tends
to
think
something.
Nefarious
is
going
on,
because
a
lot
of
people
are
at
work.
So
I'm
gonna
always
say
the
evening.
A
Great,
thank
you.
I'm
going
to
shift
over
a
little
bit.
We
have
a
couple
of
questions
from
rick
and
matt
which
are
related
to
one
another.
So
my
question,
so
let's
ask
ricks
first
and
then
we'll
go
to
matt,
so
rick
asks
since
the
general
public
does
not
have
access
to
mapping
software.
How
would
you
suggest
that
the
public
and
civic
groups
present
maps
and
town
halls
or
meetings-
and
I
know
quinn,
you've
already
mentioned-
that
you've
published
online,
the
block,
equivalency
files
and
the
shape
files
for
existing
districts?
C
I
can
address
that
so
on
our
website
and
I
can
pull
it
up
right
here.
We've
got
some
gis
resources
that
we
link
to
we've
got
in
oklahoma,
there's
the
center
for
spatial
analysis.
They
have
a
data
warehouse
and
that's
the
central
repository
for
shapefiles,
so
the
public.
If
they
just
go
there,
they
can
download
the
shapefiles
for
precincts
county
commissioner
districts,
others
they
can
look
at
precinct
maps
by
counties.
So
it's
not
hard
but
our
interactive
tools.
C
Those
layers
are
also
already
on
there
as
well.
So
if
you
are
not
familiar
with
the
technical
side,
there
is
a
tool
for
you
just
to
be
able
to
access
it
easier
and
then
I'd
love
for
fred
to
talk
more
about
those
third-party
open
platform.
Software
apps,
because
that's
that's
what
we
will
be
deferring
the
public
to
to
draw
those
submission
maps.
Yes,.
B
And
thank
you
quinn,
because
what
I
want
to
point
out
is
yes,
you
do
have
access
to
it.
You
don't
have
the
same
program
that
I
have,
but
you
can
go
to
district
or
you
can
go
to
dave's
redistricting
and
there
are
tons
of
others.
They
have
the
maps
you
upload,
it
you'll
probably
have
to
draw
using
precincts
or
block
groups
at
least
that's
the
way.
B
It
stands
right
now,
but
you
do
have
it
then
switch
over
to
the
redistricting
data
hub
and
get
a
whole
bunch
of
other
data
and
that
data
is
now
being
worked
on
and
it's
being
in
a
platform
where
you
can
upload
it
to
other
maps
and
some
places
like
oklahoma-
and
I
remember
the
first
date
I
ever
publicly
did
it
was
on
florida's
public
website
and
they
were
encouraging
people
to
do
it.
So
that's
what
makes
it
so
unique
and
that
is
what's
driving
this
this.
B
This
large
amount
of
public
participation
you
do
have
access
now.
My
plan
is
gonna,
be
a
bit
more
detailed
because
I've
got
this
expensive
program,
but
you've
got
enough
to
draw
a
plan
and
go
to
the
hearing
or
or
or
mail
the
plan
or
electronically
send
it,
and
I
love
what
oklahoma
is
doing.
I
I
I
it
would
be
so
easy
to
draw
there,
because
you
put
everything
there
you
you
got
the
blocks,
I
can
download
them.
B
D
Ben,
I
think
this
goes
back
to
what
I
said
earlier.
It's
about
kind
of
educating
the
public.
We
you
know
you
you
could
you
know,
I
tell
people
just
go
to
google
type
in
free,
redistricting
software
and
redistricting
hub
comes
up.
Dave's
comes
up,
they
all
come
up,
so
the
the
the
information's
out
there
for
people
to
have
we
as
a
group,
all
of
us
all
50
states
and
private
non-profit
groups.
Ncsl.
A
Great
I'm
going
to
ask
one
question
for
matt
and
then
one
final
one
to
wrap
up
since
we
started
a
couple
minutes
late,
we'll
run
a
couple
minutes
over,
so
matt
gehring
who's
out
of
minnesota
is
asking.
Can
you
speak
in
more
detail,
and
I
think
this
is
mostly
to
you,
keith
and
quinn,
about
what
happens
when
a
map
is
submitted
by
a
member
of
the
public?
Are
there?
Are
they
analyzed
or
consolidated
in
any
particular
way.
C
C
They
would
know
how
to
download
it
as
a
block
equivalency
file
and
when
we
import
that-
and
you
know
we
can
pull
those
reports
as
professional
reports
about
population
deviation
compactness,
you
know
splitting
up
of
counties
in
cities
how
that
works,
and
but
the
first
step
is
probably
to
ask
that
the
public
explain
what's
important
in
their
plan
and
then
to
help
our
committee
we're
happy
to
pull
those
reports
so
that
they
have
a
little
bit
more
information
about
this.
The
statistics
of
the
plan
or
the
components
of
the
plan.
D
Ben
one
of
the
other
things
I
like
I
like
to
remind
people
at
the
at
the
town
halls
is,
you
know:
redistricting
is
just
like
any
other
bill,
so
they
can
still
communicate
with
their
local
elected
official.
They
don't
have
to
depend
on
quinn
or
me
or
the
redistricting
office.
I
think
sometimes
people
forget
that
they
can
still
communicate
with
their
local
elected
officials
that
they've
elected
to
represent
them
at
the
capitol
to
on
a
bill.
Just
like
any
other
bill.
They
can
still
do
that
on
redistricting.
D
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
you
can
submit
a
map
now,
but
you
know
to
minimize
everything
we're
waiting
until
the
official
final
census.
Data
comes
out,
at
least
here
in
oklahoma,
where
people
then
can
start
submitting
their
official
maps,
but
that's
not
stopping
people
from
submitting
plans
now
where
they
go
to
dave's
and
draw
a
map
and
say
here's
my
idea,
but
not
until
we
get
the
official
data
we'll
start
accepting
official
submitted
maps.
A
Sure
and
that
feeds
right
into
the
final
question
I
wanted
to
conclude
with,
was,
I
think,
when
most
states,
including
y'all
in
oklahoma,
were
originally
thinking
about
how
to
set
this
up.
We
were
imagining
that
pl
data-
we
did.
We
thought
we'd,
have
reapportionment
data
by
now
and
we
thought
that
the
pl
data
would
be
coming
out
by
the
end
of
march
and
so
doesn't
look
like
that's
going
to
happen.
Yet,
obviously,
I'm
I'm
at
nc,
so
I
don't
have
like
any.
A
You
know,
I'm
not
flying
the
wall
inside
the
census
bureau,
but
I
think
it's
a
safe
to
assume
at
this
point
that
it's
not
going
to
be
coming
out
on
time.
So
what
kinds
of
inputs
in
terms
of
these
communities
of
interest
drawing
on
maps
are
most
useful
before
we
get
the
new
population
numbers,
because
obviously
people
are
drawing
maps,
there
may
be
estimates
from
2018
or
2019
that
could
be
available
on
some
of
these
free
apps
with
more
up-to-date
numbers,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
the
official
environment.
A
So
what
can
the
public
do
now?
That
is
most
useful
to
legislators?
Who
are
drawing
lines?
Is
it
just
the
community
focused
solely
or
is
there
some
value
in
providing
something?
Maybe
that's
more
descriptive
since
you
can't
do
the
full
statement
and
using
identical
data
to
the
actual
distributor
I'll,
throw
it
to
you?
First.
C
Okay,
sure,
thanks
ben,
I
would
say,
specific
local
preferences.
That
is
the
most
helpful
right
now
and
so,
and
especially
in
areas
where
there
is
a
lot
of
population
loss
just
being
aware
of
the
population
trends
and
how
that
can
understand
about
one
person.
One
vote
that
the
population
equality
component
is
going
to
be
driving
a
lot
of
the
district
lines,
the
new
district
lines
keith
anything.
D
D
D
So
it's
one
thing
to
say
it,
but
it's
another
thing
for
them
to
be
educated
and
see
it
on
a
map
and
see
that
this
district's
going
to
be
estimated
to
be
short.
This
much
and
this
just
in
the
urban
area.
This
district
is
going
to
be
over
this
much
and
I
think
it
goes
back
to
like
fred
said
it's
getting.
The
community
engaged
community
engagement
and
educating
the
community
of
what's
going
to
be
happening
when
we
finally
do
get
the
census
numbers.
B
And
and
I'll
tag
on
just
adding
to
keith
and
quinn,
certainly
defining
your
communities,
I
think,
is
the
most
important
thing
you
can
do
now
before
we
get
this
these
redistricting
files
and
and
the
subsequent
data
defining
that
community
and
what
has
been
the
issues
in
that
particular
local
area
in
that
community.
These
voters,
these
citizens
are
going
to
come
with
their
concerns,
as
those
concerns
relate
to
redistricting,
not
just
anything
but
just
a
quick
example
in
talking
to
a
community
in
greensboro
north
carolina.
B
They
did
not
appreciate
a
district
line
drawn
that
split,
a
college
campus
at
north
carolina
a
and
t,
and
they
will
express
that
in
their
future
hearings.
So
whatever
is
going
on
locally
that
relates
to
redistricting,
because
you
hear
about
a
lot
of
stuff
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
redistricting,
but
whatever
relates
to
redistricting
find
out
what
their
concern
is,
and
you
can
do
that
now,
you
don't
have
to
wait
for
redistricting
data.
A
Fantastic
well
we're
already
quite
over,
so
we
can
just
wind
up
now,
but
keith
quinn,
fred.
Thank
you!
So
much
for
being
here.
This
has
been
helpful
and
in
the
states.
If
you
are
thinking
about
setting
up
something,
we
would
love
to
hear
what
your
plans
are.
So
please
reach
out
to
us
at
elections-info
ncsl.org,
because
we
get.
This
is
one
of
the
most
common
questions
we
get
are.
What
are
other
states
doing?
A
Quinn
mentioned
that
she
herself
has
asked
us
this
question
and
unfortunately,
at
that
time
we
didn't
have
a
lot
to
share.
So,
as
you
settle
on
your
plans,
let
us
know
and
we'll
start
compiling
those
so
that
we
can
have
a
list
for
all
the
legislators
and
legislative
staffers
on
here
to
refer
to
as
we
move
forward
over
the
coming
months,
and
our
next
session,
I
believe,
is
a
courts
policy
and
the
future
of
redistricting.
I
highly
encourage
all
of
you
to
go
over
there.