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Description
This episode's guest is Brian Underhill, an enumerator with the Census Bureau.
A
A
So
so
you
run
into
a
lot
of
different
approaches
to
the
census,
the
some
of
the
biggest
challenges,
I
think,
actually
the
biggest
challenge
that
I
ran
into
was
rental
properties,
a
lot
of
people
in
denver
area,
denver,
boulder,
live
in
rental
apartments,
and
they
are
you
can't
always
access
the
rental
apartment
a
lot
of
times
the
buildings
are
locked
up.
You
can't,
you
know
you
can't
gain
access.
You
can't
interview
the
people
in
the
building.
A
You
can
sometimes,
if
it's
a
large
building,
you
can
find
a
manager
on
site.
Who
will
talk
to
you?
That's
that's
very
helpful,
but
even
so
an
on-site
manager
won't
give
you
most
of
the
demographic
information
that
you
want.
They'll
give
you
the
number
of
people
that
live
there
on
april
1st
and
maybe
the
gender,
but
they
won't
give
you
names
marital
status
and
the
other
things
that
the
census
would
like
to
have
as
well.
A
And
then
there
are
the
apartment
buildings
that
are
that
don't
have
a
resident
manager
that
just
have
a
call
box
on
the
outside
and
you're
kind
of
stuck
in
those
cases.
You
can
sometimes
wait
for
somebody
to
come
out.
They'll,
let
you
in-
and
you
can
interview
at
the
apartments,
but
but
it's
it's
pretty
hard
to
it's
pretty
hard
to
locate
the
people.
There
are
people.
A
A
Don't
know
a
thing
about
the
students
that
were
there
in
april
and
and
of
course,
you
also
have
the
problem
that,
because
of
co
covert
some
of
their
students
left
in
march,
some
of
them
left
in
april.
They
may
not
have
been
counted
at
all
or
they
may
have
been
counted
at
their
parents
house
who
knows
actually
where
they
were
counted.
So
so
the
students
were
were
a
major
problem
and
you
can
actually
get
information
about
students.
A
A
You
know
you
knocked
on
the
door
and
they
said
I
did
the
census
last
week
and
then
then
you
have
to
figure
out
what
went
wrong
well
in
denver.
One
of
the
things
that
went
wrong
is
that
that
the
denver
street
names
are
being
changed
instead
of
100
elm
street.
You
now
say
100
north
elm
street,
to
distinguish
it
from
100
south
elm
street,
and
so
there
are
quite
a
few
duplicates.
A
The
technology
that
we
worked
with
it
was
was
pretty
good.
It
was
not
great.
One
problem
is
that
the
we
would
be
given
a
list
of
addresses
and
the
addre.
The
list
might
have
several
apartments
in
one
building,
but
they
wouldn't
be
listed
together,
so
you'd
have
to
scroll
down
through
the
list,
make
sure
you
found
them
all,
and
that
would
be
especially
true
if
you
had
gone
to
great
lengths
to
get
into
the
building.
A
A
The
building
manager
can
be
a
proxy,
but
you
want
to
ask
the
manager
about
all
the
apartments
in
the
building
at
one
time
and
if
you
forget
one
well
too
bad,
you
have
to
go
back
in
and
talk
to
proxy
again
and
the
oh
and
the
technology,
wouldn't
let
you
put
in
proxy
information
from
multiple
apartments.
So
I
just
use
pencil
and
paper
just
go
around
with
a
clipboard
and
write
all
that
stuff
down
and
then
try
to
sort
it
out
later
after
I
finished
the
building,
so
they
so
it
would.
A
A
Again
and
meanwhile,
you
could
write
the
guy's
information
down
on
a
piece
of
paper
and
then
you
could
fill
it
in
the
next
day,
so
it
was
full
of
excitement.
I'll
give
you
a
couple
of
anecdotes
when,
when
we
did
our
training
for
update
reef
back
in
the
spring,
the
first
day
in
the
field,
we
were
taking
our
final
exam
as
it
were
for
for
update
brief.
We
had
been
out
in
the
field
for
one
hour
and
the
message
came
through
stopped,
knocking
on
doorbells.
A
They
stopped
knocking
on
doors
and
pushing
doorbells,
and
so
that
was
the
beginning
of
our
adaptation
to
cover
from
then
on.
We
did
not
knock
on
doors,
and
actually
that
was
a
bit
of
a
problem
because
with
update
leave,
if
you
don't
knock
on
the
doors
you
missed
some
information
and
some
of
that
information
I
noticed,
had
to
be
filled
in
later.
During
the
norfolk
phase,
we
had
to
to
add
information
about
units
that
we
hadn't
known
about.
A
There
was
a
oh
yes,
and
there
was
a
building.
I
went
to
one
building
where
I
got
there.
The
staff
member
said
be
my
guest.
Go
ahead
interview
anybody
you
like
in
the
building,
so
I
went
up.
He
did
some
interviews,
but
I
came
down
for
lunch
and
a
different
staff
members
on
duty
and
she
said
who
are
you?
What
are
you
doing
here?
A
You
don't
never
get
to
be
in
this
building
get
out
of
here,
and
so
so
that
was
it
for
that
building
until
somebody
worked
out,
worked
it
out
with
the
management,
so
just
another
example
of
something
that
can
go
wrong,
but
all
in
all
it
was
a.
It's
been
a
great
experience.
It's
pretty
much
over.
We
are
we're
going
to
go
on
for
another
week
almost
another
week,
but
but
they're
saying
that
the
response
rate
is
pretty
high
right
now,
so
we're
pretty
much
done.
B
Questions
great,
thank
you
so
much
brian
and
we
did
get
a
few
questions.
So
I'll
start
with
one
from
kim
kim
brace
has
asked
for
the
students.
I
think
he
was
referencing
when
you
were
going
around
you
see.
Boulder
was
when
you
were
asking
questions
about
where
the
students
may
have
gone.
Were
you
trying
to
figure
out
where
they
had
gone
so
that
they
could
be
tied
to
their
parents
at
home
and
de-duplicated?
B
A
You
need
to
get
is
where
they
lived
on
april
1st,
so
so
the
best
way
to
do
that
is
to
interview
them
personally.
But
sometimes
you
can't
do
that
and
you
don't
have
contact
information
for
the
other
place.
They
may
have
gone
to
you're,
pretty
much
pretty
much
on
your
own
to
figure
out
how
to
get
the
information.
But,
as
I
say,
the
key
piece
of
information
is
just
who
lives
where
on
april
1st
and
how
many
people
it
was.
B
C
Yeah,
I
wrote
it
here,
but
I'll
be
happy
to
if
I
could,
if
we
could
just
have
a
moment
or
two
of
discussion
on
the
work
at?
U
of?
U
colorado,
dorms,
because
twice,
we've
had
a
problem
here
in
vermont,
where
in
one
case
in
the
2001
to
2000
2001
cycle,
we
had
a
dorm
suddenly
appear
in
the
middle
of
a
traffic
circle,
and
that
was
a
major
problem
to
untangle
and
in
the
last
six
cycle
we
didn't
have
that
happen.
C
We
had
an
extra
street
appear
at
a
university
campus,
but
we
had
the
number
of
dorms
for
door
number
of
students
in
dorm
a
assigned
to
dorm
d,
and
vice
versa.
We've
been
working
with
the
census
here
in
vermont
to
hope
that
won't
happen
again,
but
we
were
also
told
that's,
not
unusual,
of
university
campuses.
So
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
of
that.
A
B
A
B
B
A
D
Brian,
I
think
the
question
is:
were
you
ever
instructed
by
the
bureau
to
only
get
the
head
count
on
the
theory
that
if
you
could
only
that
they
wanted
to
get
as
many
as
they
could
but
they'd
fill
in
the
the
details
later?
Did
anybody
ever
say
to
you
just
to
get
the
number
of
people
who
live
there?
So
you
can
get
a
bunch
done.
A
It
would
be
a
great
idea
to
do
that.
I
don't,
I
don't
think
they
do.
The
the
thing
to
notice
is
that
the
consensus
is
based
on
residences,
not
as
far
as
I
know
it's
based
on
residences,
not
on
people,
and
so
we
were
instructed
to
canvas
residences
and
just
find
out
how
many
people
were
there
and
so
one
particular
person
I
don't
think
would
have
been
tracked
around
the
country.
B
All
right
so
a
couple
more
questions
here
for
you,
I
think
the
important
one
is.
There
was
a
lot
of
problems
with
I
mean
it
wasn't
unique
to
the
census
bureau.
I
feel
like
this
was
throughout
society,
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
adjust
to
covet
on
the
fly.
It
was
a
very
quick
pivot
for
a
lot
of
organizations,
ncsl
included,
I
know
so
as
a
census.
Enumerator,
you
had
the
right
to
stop
working
at
any
time.
You
were
not
bound
by
a
term
contract
you
could
have
quit.
B
B
A
B
A
Well,
yes,
and
no,
the
the
update,
leave
really
was
enjoyable
and
that
was
lots
of
fun.
Narfu
was
hard
work,
partly
because
walking
around
in
the
hot
sun.
Getting
you
know
getting
all
those
proxy
answers.
You
knock
on
somebody's
door,
they're,
not
there.
You
have
to
get
three
proxies,
so
you
have
to
go
next
door
go
across
the
street,
it's
pretty
draining,
so
I
ended
up
working
only
five
hour
days,
just
because
it
was
so
so
stressful,
but
I
think
I
think,
on
the
whole
I'd,
do
it
again.
B
A
Well,
you
just
canvass
a
neighborhood.
You've
got
you've,
got
a
map
you're
using
a
an
actual
laptop
computer.
So
you
have
a
good
quality
map
of
the
neighborhood
and
you
just
go
from
house
to
house.
You
actually
go
up
and
down
the
street
and
you
compare
what's
on
the
ground
with
what's
on
your
map
and
if,
if
the
map
doesn't
agree
with
the
ground,
you
correct
the
map.
B
I'm
sure
so
we
have
a
couple
more
questions
that
just
came
in
so
kim
wants
to
know
how
easy
was
it
to
help
find
the
proxies
to
help
fill
out
the
data?
I
think
this
is
in
reference
to
the
follow
up
with.
I
think
it
was
keith's
question
where
what
do
you
do?
If
you
don't
have
you
can
never
get
in
our
food
work
and
no
one's
responded
to
anything,
and
you
said
you
had
to
go
around
the
neighborhood
and
just
sort
of
ask
neighbors.
B
A
B
If
you
did,
you
find
that
people
understand
how
to
respond
to
the
census
for
a
second
home
and
then,
if,
if
people
did
own
two
homes,
if
they
owned
a
house
down
in
the
metro
and
they
owned
a
house
up
in
the
mountains,
were
those
residents
linked
residences
linked
for
the
same
family
or
are
they
just
as
one
listed
as
vacant?
Second
family
vacation
home,
but
who
owns?
It
is
undetermined.
A
A
B
B
B
Wonderful,
so,
as
some
of
you
know,
I
don't
think
I
I
mentioned
this
in
the
pre-introduction
where
we
tested
earlier,
but
I
don't
think
I
did
in
the
actual
introduction.
Brian
is
wendy's
husband,
so
if
any
of
you
have
questions
for
brian
follow-ups
in
the
future,
you
can
just
send
them
our
way
and
wendy
can
pass
them
along
to
him
that
way.
So
with
that,
I
think
we'll
turn
it
over
to
mandy,
zach
and
mandy's
going
to
give
us
an
update.
Oh
wendy
wants
to
speak.
D
B
F
Thanks
ben
and
thanks
brian,
for
your
sort
of
update
on
being
a
numerator,
I'm
just
gonna
give
a
very
brief
update
on
census
litigation,
as
some
of
you
may
know.
Last
week
judge
lucy
cole
of
the
northern
district
of
california
granted
a
motion
for
stay
in
preliminary
injunction
in
the
case
that
was
brought
by
the
national
urban
league
and
others.
F
F
It
is
argued
that
the
new
october
5th
deadline
doesn't
necessarily
violate
the
judge's
order,
because
the
injunction
just
suspended
the
deadlines
of
september
30th
and
the
december
31st
in
a
follow-up
of
a
hearing.
That
was
yesterday,
the
judge
had
asked
the
doj
attorneys
how
the
new
decision
to
end
data
collection
on
october
5th
was
made,
and
those
attorneys
suggested
that
the
decision
making
was
a
moving
target
so
to
speak,
without
any
really
records
to
support
that
decision.
F
So
what
does
that
mean?
Well?
In
short,
the
bureau
is
continuing
to
fill
the
operations
at
least
until
october
5th,
but
it's
not
clear.
It
is
also
unclear
how
this
will
impact
the
delivery
of
apportionment
data,
given
that
december
31st
is
a
statutory
deadline
and
congress
has
not
yet
made
any
change
to
that
deadline.
F
C
One
of
the
lawyers
in
the
for
the
plaintiffs
told
me
earlier
today
that
their
understanding
was
that
judge
koh's
preliminary
injunction
has
in
effect,
forbidden
or
directed
the
census
bureau
from
wrapping
things
up
september
30th
and
that
this
october
fifth
date
is
really.
You
know,
apples
to
oranges
that
it
doesn't
extend
to
october
31st.
C
The
court
is
going
to
have
a
hearing
six
o'clock
eastern
time,
so
three
o'clock
calif
california
time
on
this,
where
further
administrative
record
will
be
provided,
judge
coe
asked
yesterday,
because
the
october
fifth
date
came
down
during
the
hearing
that
there's
got
to
be,
you
know,
is
a
tweet
from
this.
The
secretary
of
commerce,
the
administrative
record,
there's
got
to
be
more
to
it
than
that.
C
The
house,
in
its
most
recent
bill,
I
think
it
was
rolled
out
last
night-
does
include
the
extensions
and
there
are
at
least
three
possibly
four
republican
senators
co-sponsoring
a
bill
in
the
senate
to
extend
the
deadlines
back
in
the
california
case.
I
was
surprised
that
the
attorneys
general
from
louisiana
and
mississippi
have
sought
intervention
in
the
case
urging
the
census
bureau
shutdown
for
september
30th
because
they
want
the
counts
done
by
december
31st.
C
Yet
those
two
states
have
among
the
lowest
response
rates
in
the
country.
So
I
question:
why
would
states
so
far
behind
in
the
census?
Count
with
so
much
to
lose
and
the
possibility
of
apportionment
and
funding
being
at
stake
want
to
cut
things
short
if
it
could
be
extended
to
count
more
people
for
their
own
benefit?
C
If
the
president
does
seek
to
subtract
from
the
state,
population
totals
any
set
set
of
data,
whether
it's
proxy
counts
or
imputation
counts
or
whatever
else
they
might
come
up
with.
What
happens
if
the
house
refuses
to
accept
the
data
or
doesn't
send
it
to
the
states?
There
are
lots
of
scenarios
that
states
need
to
be
thinking
of
and
asking
questions
about.
C
I
think
a
role
that,
without
taking
any
kind
of
a
particular
side,
that
ncsl
can
surely
put
these
issues
in
front
of
the
states
as
these
as
the
legislation
in
congress
and
the
court
cases
proceed
to
the
end
of
the
month
when
something
has
to
happen
somewhere.
So
we
are
still
in
a
gray
area.
We
have
heard
also
reports.
I
asked
the
question
of
ryan
not
to
put
him
on
the
spot,
but
there
have
been
plenty
of
reports
of
enumerators
being
told
they're
going
to
shut
things
down
earlier.
C
There
have
been
reports
of
enumerators
being
told
not
to
obtain
the
age
race
and
ethnic
data.
This
is
something
that
both
congress
and
the
court
are
going
to
look
into.
Judge
kovacs
received
a
number
of
ex
party
or
outside
comments
from
enumerators
and
whistleblowers.
It's
going
to
be
part
of
the
record
that
she's
compiling
the
hearings
that
she's
holding.
C
If
anyone
is
interested
in
watching
the
hearing
later
today
and
I
hate
to
say
it's
entertainment,
but
it
gets
to
really
stretch
the
limits
of
court
decorum,
I
think
christie
has
seen
some
of
the
courtroom
hearings.
All
you
have
to
do.
Is
google
federal
district
court
judge
lucy,
coe
koh
and
the
the
california
district
court
has
a
zoom
system
where
you
can
follow
her
web
page
to
the
to
the
you
know,
the
zoom
court
hearing
itself.
B
If
so,
you
don't
have
to
ask
now
we
we
hope
to
have
time
at
the
end
for
comments
and
discussion
from
the
rest
of
you
or
any
follow-up
questions
you
may
have
so
as
usual.
If
you
have
something,
if
something
someone
says
piques
your
interest,
please
chime
right
in
interrupt.
This
has
the
feel
of
a
presentation.
But
it's
really
not
it's
a
it's
supposed
to
be
a
conversation,
so
jump
in.
B
G
But
as
of
yesterday,
voters
will
weigh
in
on
what
at
least
124
ballot
measures
on
election
day
and
they
already
decided
eight
during
the
primaries.
But
the
biggest
story
this
year
is
really
that
there
are
quite
a
few
or
not
quite
a
few,
the
opposite.
Just
a
few
citizen
initiatives
compared
to
past
years,
so
24
states
allow
that
process
and
in
those
states
there
will
only
be
38
citizen
initiatives
and
that's
a
significant
decrease.
G
G
One
of
the
facts
that
I
think
is
really
interesting.
To
put
that
in
context
is
that
citizen
initiatives
are
widely
used
in
washington,
state
and
2020
will
be
the
first
presidential
election
year
since
1928,
where
there
are
no
citizen
initiatives
on
the
ballot.
So
there
are
two
ballot
measures
for
washington,
one's
a
legislative
referral
and
one
is
a
referendum
on
a
sex
education
bill,
but
no
citizen
initiatives
this
year,
so
the
rest
of
the
ballot
measures
out
of
that
124
all
referred
to
the
ballot
by
legislators.
G
One
of
the
trends
this
year
is
that
three
states
will
have
measures
seeking
to
revise
their
constitutions
so
that
they
no
longer
say
every
citizen
or
any
citizen
can
vote
and
change
it
to
only
a
citizen
can
vote.
It's
a
small
kind
of
sentence,
level
change
there
and
that's
on
the
ballot
in
alabama
colorado
and
florida.
G
The
alaska
measure
would
also
establish
a
top
four
primary
states
have
efforts
to
change
the
initiative
process,
and
so
those
are
in
arkansas
florida,
north
dakota
and
montana
in
arkansas
florida
and
north
dakota.
Those
are
all
measures
seeking
to
make
the
citizen
initiative
process
more
difficult
in
montana.
It's
a
smaller
kind
of
procedural
change
to
make
the
constitution
match
how
the
state
already
enforces
different
signature
distribution
requirements.
G
We
might
assume
that
these
all
come
from
the
legislature
since
lawmakers
often
do
not
like
citizen
initiatives,
but
florida's
measure
in
this
regard
is
actually
a
citizen
initiative.
A
couple
other
notables
that
I
can
point
out
in
california.
Voters
will
get
to
decide
if
17
year
olds
can
vote
in
primaries
if
they'll
be
18
at
the
time
of
the
general
election
colorado.
Voters,
like
many
of
us
at
ncsl,
will
see
a
referendum
on
the
legislature's
decision
to
join
the
national
popular
vote.
G
Interstate
compact,
in
nevada,
there's
an
opportunity
to
enshrine
voting
rights
in
the
state's
constitution
right
now.
Those
are
just
in
the
statutes
florida
voters
will
decide
if
they
want
open
primaries
and
then,
of
course,
there
are
a
couple
of
redistricting
measures
on
the
ballot
as
well.
All
three
of
those
are
legislative
referrals,
so
the
new
jersey
measure
would
postpone
the
garden
states
legislative
redistricting
process.
G
Missouri's
ballot
measure
is
in
response
to
one
that
got
passed
in
2018
and
it
would
return
the
state's
process
to
a
bipartisan
commission
and
eliminate
the
role
for
the
non-partisan
state,
demographer
and
then
virginia's
measure
would
establish
a
commission
and
the
legislature
would
not
be
responsible
for
redistricting.
But
ben
is
the
expert
on
those
three
redistricting
measures.
So
if
you
have
questions
you
can
direct
those
particularly
to
him.
Otherwise
those
are
the
election
and
redistricting
related
highlights
from
the
ballot
measures
world.
B
I
will
say
that
as
someone
who
lived
in
a
group
in
a
state
that
didn't
have
any
ballot
initiatives
and
then
lived
in
several
states
that
didn't
have
any
ballot
initiatives
where
they
didn't
have
a
citizen
initiative
process,
I
guess
there
were
occasionally
referred
measures,
but
moving
to
colorado
and
getting
my
blue
book
in
the
mail
this
year
with
the
11
things
that
I
have
to
process
and
vote
on
was
was
quite
the
change
so
to
the
colorado
staffers
on
the
line
who
helped
write.
Those.
B
Thank
you
for
explaining
to
me
what
I'm
voting
on,
because
sometimes
it's
not
so
clear.
So,
let's
see,
I
don't
see
any
questions
coming
in.
So
at
this
point,
we're
going
to
shift
over
to
brian
hinkle
brian
is
going
to
give
a
legal
update
on
the
2020
election.
So
this
should
be
short
and
not
complicated.
Brian.
H
I'll
give
a
few
highlights.
The
republican
party
in
pennsylvania
will
appeal
a
ruling
by
the
state
supreme
court
to
the
united
states
supreme
court.
The
ruling
extended
the
state's
ballot
receipt
deadline
to
allow
postmarked
ballots
to
be
received
three
days
after
the
election,
and
it
is
likely
an
eight
member
court
will
at
least
hear
the
request
for
a
stay
from
the
state
gop.
H
Ohio
is
also
facing
litigation
regarding
ballot
drop
boxes
in
the
decision
to
limit
drop
boxes.
The
the
number
of
drop
boxes
in
the
counties,
montana's
secretary
of
state,
will
appeal
a
ruling
that
also
extended
the
state's
ballot
receipt
deadline.
That
ruling
was
made
by
a
lower
court,
and
so
the
secretary
of
state
is
planning
to
appeal
it
right
away.
H
A
federal
judge
in
georgia
has
ordered
every
county
to
require
paper.
Backups
of
voter
registration
and
absentee
voter
information
as
a
safeguard
in
the
case
of
tech
failure,
the
ruling
comes
after
problems
with
new
election
tech,
created
issues
such
as
lines
in
the
state's
primaries,
and
finally,
the
wisconsin
supreme
court
will
hear
arguments
today
on
whether
the
state
may
remove
over
100
000
voters
from
voter
rules.
H
So
the
rules
of
the
election
continue
to
change
as
we
grow
closer
and
here
at
ncsl,
we're
doing
our
best
to
keep
track
and
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me.
If
you
ever
want
to
go
over
these
legal
cases
and
of
course
this
is
only
a
snapshot
we
can
expect
more
before
and
possibly
after
the
election.
So
back
to
you,
ben.
B
D
Well,
it's
not
so
much
a
question.
Well,
maybe
it
is
not
for
you,
brian
exactly,
but
for
this
team
we
have
a
number
of
people
who
are
very
experienced
with
elections
over
the
years
and
decades.
We
we
know
for
a
fact
that
this
year
has
more
litigation
than
in
previous
years,
the
most
since
2000.
I
think
that's
a
fact
at
this
point.
Do
we
think
that
we're
moving
into
an
era
when
courts
will
be
making
decisions
about
election
policy
instead
of
legislatures?
D
That's
one
option?
Another
option
would
be.
Do
we
expect
that
2021
is
going
to
be
your
legislatures
all
coming
back
in
with
an
agenda
and
doing
a
lot
of
election
policy?
So
so
I
just
don't
know
if
this
year
is
a
complete
aberration
and
we're
gonna
go
back
or
or
are
people
gonna
assume
that
courts
are
where
you
take
everything
to
in
the
future,
and
I'd
just
be
interested
in
anybody's
ideas
out
loud
or
in
the
chat.
So
thanks
for
letting
me
just
jump
in
and
stay
back.
C
H
Yeah,
that's
that's
related
to
arguments
being
made
by
pennsylvania,
republican
party
and
others
refer.
Relying
on
the
elections.
Clause
of
the
constitution,
which
states
that
legislators
are
are
given
the
power
to
set
rules
around
elections,
and
so
that's
one
claim
that's
being
made.
Is
that
courts
and
others
have
usurped
those
powers.
B
E
E
E
One
of
the
things
that
has
been
taking
place
is
that
the
bureau
has
put
out
a
series
of
different
files
to
show
the
impact
of
some
of
the
disclosure
avoidance
circumstance
and
they
released
a
new
set
of
files
last
weekend
and
the
ipums,
which
is
with
the
national
historical
gis
entity
and
I've.
I'm
posting
right
now
their
website
for
everybody.
E
Since
that
time
we
pointed
that
out
yesterday
and
they
have
been
good
enough
to
go
back
and
re-tally
that
data
for
congressional
state,
senate
and
state
house
districts
for
the
nation
so
that
you
can
look
at
and
compare
they've
got
a
great
format.
That's
been
used
in
the
you
know,
washington
state,
on
what
is
the
data
from
the
das?
What
is
the
data
from
the
pl
file,
because
that's
what
they're
looking
at
now?
E
What
is
the
numeric
difference
between
the
two
of
them
and
what
is
the
percentage
difference
and
these
files
are
great
resources
to
take
a
look
at
your
own
state
and
what
there
may
be
an
impact,
as
it
relates
to
disclosure
avoidance
in
looking
at
some
of
them
for
the
states
that
I'm
involved
with.
We
can
see
that
at
higher
levels
of
geography
there
is
not
a
lot
of
difference.
E
E
B
B
D
I
want
to
say
two
things.
The
first
is
that
my
team
is
doing
an
excellent
job
and
ncsl
as
a
whole
has
noticed
this.
They
often
say
oh
wendy,
you're
doing
so
well,
it
is
not
wendy
is
doing
so
well,
it
is
wendy
and
ben
and
christian
mandy
and
brian
are
doing
so
well,
and
it's
as
if
we
recognized
when
coveted
hit
that
there
was
one
job
we
had
to
do,
and
that
was
to
try
to
keep
track
of
stuff,
and
this
team
has
come
through
with
flying
colors.
D
The
follow-on
to
that
is
that
every
day
we
get
together
and
we
talk
a
little
bit
about
what's
going
on
for
our
day.
We
know
what
what's
lined
up
and
you
can
easily
imagine
that,
just
like
in
in
your
capitals,
it's
sometimes
connected
to
what's
in
the
news
and
our
number
one
goal
for
our
team
is
to
stay
calm,
and
we
do
that
by
talking
on
a
daily
basis,
and
my
brother
has
been
helping
me
recently
he's
sending
me
a
cute
cat
picture
every
day.
D
So
I
can
stay
calm
and
I
just
love
this
little
little
like
identifier
that
we
are
in
all
of
us.
Everyone
who's
on
this
call,
are
in
a
world
of
crazy
right
now
we
just
don't
know,
what's
happening
from
one
day
to
the
next,
and
we
are
starting
to
see
these
stories
about
what's
going
to
happen
after
november
3rd,
and
I
want
to
offer
that
this
group
of
people
to
the
extent
that
we
communicate
with
our
friends
or
I
don't
know
if
your
neighbors
talk
to
you
about
elections.
D
D
You've
got
your
own
teams,
let's,
let's
try
to
recognize
that
that
there's
a
very
strong
probability
that
all's
gonna
be
well
and
if,
if
there
are
glitches-
and
certainly
in
my
mind
every
time
we
go
to
court
on
something
that's
a
little
glitch-
we
survive
it
and
we
do
it
when
we
we
pay
attention
together.
So
that's
my
my
parting
thoughts
is
that
my
team
is
great
and
I
love
working
with
them
and
that
I
hope
calm
not
just
for
us,
but
for
everyone
else.
Who's
on
this
call
as
well.
B
Thank
you,
wendy,
and
I
I
will
say
that
you
know
wendy
says
that
oh
people
tell
her
oh
wendy's
doing
so
long.
She
says:
oh,
no,
it's
the
team,
but
wendy's
also
doing
very
well.
So
I
think
maybe
we
should
give
him
some
credit
right
back
where
it's
due
wendy
wendy
is
doing
running
a
million
miles
an
hour
she's
like
a
marathon
runner
constantly
sprinting.
So
I
think
that
it
is
yes.
B
Yes,
michael
has
the
idea
hand
clapped
for
wendy,
so
just
a
couple
of
final
details
to
handle
you
we're
going
to
be
continuing
this
bi-weekly,
it's
no
longer
the
second
and
fourth
mondays
or
tuesdays
of
the
month.
It's
going
to
be
bi-weekly
from
now
on.
Now
it
just
so
happens
that
that
is
only
twice
a
month,
but
that's
not
by
design.
That's
just
an
impact
of
the
way
the
calendar
works,
but
our
next
office
hours
is
going
to
be
on
tuesday
october
13th
at
3
p.m.
B
Eastern
12
p.m,
pacific
and
we
will
be
holding
them
every
two
weeks
following
the
dates
are
in
the
chat
as
a
response
to
jeff
weiss.
If
you
all
want
to
pull
those
out,
those
will
also
be
reflected
on
the
office
hours
webpage,
which
I
think
all
of
you
have
been
sent.
Multiple
links
to
and
the
reminder
emails
that
we
send
out.
So.
G
B
G
A
B
So
this
is
really
meant
to
be
of
interest
to
you,
and
so,
if
there's
a
topic,
broad
or
niche
that
you
would
like
us
to
cover
in
an
event
coming
up.
Just
let
us
know
and
we'll
try
to
find
a
speaker
who
can
speak
to
that.
So
with
that,
I
just
like
to
say
thank
you
for
everything
that
you
do
we're
at
the
top
of
the
hour,
so
we're
gonna
sign
off.
But
if
you
have
any
follow-up
questions
just
send
us
an
email,
you
can
contact
us
directly
or
elections
dash
info
ncsl.org.