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From YouTube: Let's Talk About Voting Outside the Polling Place
Description
Join us for the final meeting in our series on Voting Outside the Polling Place for a discussion hosted on Zoom. We will cover changes to elections due to COVID-19, absentee voting, mail elections, challenges to in-person voting and more. Ask questions and learn from your peers in other states, and share how elections are changing in your state. You will also be able to ask questions of NCSL's Elections Team and subject matter experts.
Moderator:
Wendy Underhill, Director, NCSL Redistricting and Elections Program
Speakers:
Amber McReynolds, CEO, National Vote at Home Institute
Secretary of State Kim Wyman, Washington
Paul Gronke, Professor of Political Science, Reed College
B
Hello,
everyone
and
welcome
to
NC
sales
virtual
meeting.
Let's
talk
about
loading
outside
the
polling
place,
my
name
is
Wendy
Underhill
and
I
will
be
moderating
this
60
minute
meeting
today,
I'm
the
director
of
the
elections
and
redistricting
team
at
the
National
Conference
of
State
Legislators.
If
by
any
chance
you
don't
know
what
ncsl
is,
we
are
the
bipartisan
organization
that
supports
the
work
of
legislators
and
legislative
staff
throughout
the
nation.
Behind
the
scenes,
I
am
supported
by
Brian
Hinkle
Brian.
Do
you
want
to
say
hello.
A
B
So
Brian
is
sort
of
the
engineer
for
this
and,
if
you've
been
communicating
at
all,
it's
been
with
him
on
this
one.
Please
know
that
our
job
at
NC
SL
is
to
provide
legislators
and
legislative
staff
with
information
and
analysis
on
elections,
campaign,
finance
and
redistricting.
So
you
can
ask
us
anything
of
that
kind
of
nature
at
elections
info
at
NCSA,
org
or
you
can
ask
us
on
any
other
topic:
criminal
justice,
education,
whatever's
on
your
mind,
and
we
will
make
sure
your
question
gets
to
the
right
place.
B
This
meeting
is
the
last
in
a
four-part
series
on
mail
voting
or
absentee
voting
or
voting
at
home.
If
you
visit
our
website,
you
can
find
the
recordings
from
the
other
three
what's
been
interesting.
Is
we've
had
different
faculty
throughout
and
each
conversation
has
a
little
bit
been
a
little
bit
different.
B
So
if
your
estate
is
moving
in
the
direction
of
encouraging
more
people
to
vote
absentee
or
vote
at
home-
and
you
might
want
to
look
at
those
others
as
well
for
additional
tips
and
information,
the
whole
package
is
super
important
right
now,
because
the
topic
is
so
important.
What
with
Kovan
19
still
I
was
gonna
use
the
word
rampaging,
but
working
through
our
nation.
So
for
today
we
have
four
parts.
First,
Washington's
Secretary
of
State
Kim
Wyman,
will
tell
us
how
elections
are
run
in
her
state.
B
Hers
is
one
of
the
five
states
that
were
conducting
elections
primarily
by
mail.
Before
the
current
health
crisis.
We
will
hear
about
her
experiences
with
sending
out
mail
ballots
and
what
other
states
can
do
learn
from
her
basically
to
prepare
for
the
expected
increases
in
voting
outside
the
polling
place,
both
in
the
primaries
that
are
yet
to
come
and
in
the
general
election
and
then
we'll
hear
from
amber
McReynolds
she's.
B
The
CEO
of
the
National
vote
at
home,
Institute
and
formerly
the
director
of
elections
for
Denver
Colorado
amber,
will
discuss
recommendations
for
states
that
are
expecting
those
significant
increases
in
voting
from
home
and
best
practices
and
the
support
that
her
organization
can
offer.
She
also
has
a
new
report
out
I'm
guessing
that
she'll
point
to
that
for
us
as
well,
and
then
we'll
hear
from
Paul
gronke,
professor
of
political
science,
at
Reed
College
and
for
our
purposes.
More
importantly,
he's
the
founder
of
the
early
voting
information
center.
B
He
more
than
anyone
else
in
the
nation
has
been
following
the
move
towards
male
voting
a
longer
and
and
greater
depth
than
anyone
else.
He'll
share
with
us
some
thoughts
about
the
partisan
effect
of
the
shift
to
vote
by
mail,
spoiler,
alert,
I'm,
fairly
sure
he'll
say
that
it's
not,
then,
that
there
isn't
such
a
shift
turnout
and
what
local
election
officials
may
have
on
their
lines.
And
then,
after
that,
that's
when
you
all
come
in
there'll
be
three
short
presentations
and
then
we'll
go
Q&A.
B
And
if
you
all
don't
ask
questions,
then
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
short
presentation,
so
be
sure
to
get
your
questions
in
the
chat
box.
If
you
want
to
ask
your
question
out
loud,
then
use
the
raise
your
hand
function
and
if
you
want
to
put
it
in
the
chat
box
that
you'd
like
to
ask
it
out
loud,
that's
fine
too.
So
we're
gonna
reserve
the
last
half
for
that
and
just
throw
practicalities.
This
meeting
is
being
recorded.
B
It
will
be
available
on
our
website
within
a
few
days,
and
you
may
have
noticed
that
you
were
muted
at
this
point.
This
is
to
ensure
minimal
background
noise,
of
course,
and
please
leave
your
mic
on
you.
Unless
you
are
preparing
to
speak
to
the
group
which
won't
be
happy
to
have
you
do
that's
it
for
setting
us
up,
so
I
could
hear
rhymin.
Are
you
all
set
to
go?
I.
C
Am
I
am
Thank
You
Wendy
so
and
gets
your
turn
secretary
Kim.
No.
Can
you
hear
me
great
great
we're
good?
Okay,
all
right
well
good
morning,
everyone
in
the
next
few
minutes,
I
thought
I
would
give
you
an
overview
of
Washington's
experience
with
vote-by-mail
and
how
we
arrived
at
this
juncture
in
2020
and
the
challenges
that
I
see
not
only
here
in
our
state
but
for
all
all
states
across
the
country,
in
this
Cove
in
nineteen
environment
that
we
are
going
to
be
operating
for
our
remaining
primaries
in
the
general
election.
C
So
Washington
State
I
always
like
to
begin
by
giving
the
context
of
how
long
it
actually
took
Washington
to
evolve
to
vote-by-mail,
and
just
because
you
know
professor
gronke
is
here.
I
will
admit
upfront
that,
of
course,
we
were
second
in
the
country
to
Oregon
and
moving
completely
to
vote
by
mail.
But
our
evolution
started
in
the
early
1990s
and
we
had
been
able
to
have
people
that
were
over
65
years
old
or
people
who
were
living
with
a
disability
be
able
to
be
a
permanent
absentee
voter
from
about
1981
forward
and
in
1993.
C
New
legislation
went
into
effect
that
allowed
any
voter
to
be
able
to
choose
to
be
a
permanent
absentee
voter,
and
this
was
really
significant
because
a
handful
of
counties,
including
mine,
I,
used
to
work
in
Thurston
County
as
the
elections
director
and
later
the
auditor,
and
so
I
got
to
be
part
of
this
evolution
from
the
ground
up
and
in
1993.
We
had
to
kind
of
remarkable
things
that
could
happen
to
a
voter.
C
When
6
and
10
of
your
voters
choose
to
get
an
absentee
ballot
every
election
year
in
vote-by-mail,
state
or
county,
and
you
just
don't
know
it
yet,
and
so
in
19
or
2004.
We
really
saw
this
happen.
We
had
the
closest
governor's
race
in
the
country's
history
out
of
2.7
million
ballots
cast
after
two
recounts
and
a
court
case
are
winning
governor
candidate,
christine
Gregoire
won
by
a
hundred
and
thirty
three
votes.
I
do
not
recommend
this
by
the
way.
C
You
can't
do
that
because
of
this.
No,
you
can't
do
that
because
of
that
and
then
finally,
out
of
frustration
been
representative
now
Senator
hunt
said
well.
What
would
work
then
and
kind
of
a
knee-jerk
reaction?
One
of
the
auditors
said
vote
by
mail
and
all
of
us
went
you
know
both.
My
mail
would
solve
these
problems,
and
so
that
was
a
moment.
I
believe
Washington
became
a
vote-by-mail
state,
so
in
2005
the
legislature
allowed
any
County
to
move
to
vote
by
mail.
C
Shall
we
say
you
know,
there's
one
camp
that
believes
we
should
have
universal
vote
by
mail
availability,
there's
another
camp
that
believes
it's
fraught
with
fraud
and
it
will
bring
the
ruin
not
only
to
a
political
party
but
will
will
bring
ruin
to
our
elections
and
as
an
election
administrator
caught
in
the
middle
of
that.
Even
though
I'm
partisan
ly
elected
I'm,
an
election
administrator
at
heart,
I
am
concerned.
I
am
concerned
that
if
we
don't
execute
this
well,
that
people
will
lose
confidence
in
our
elections
and
so
I
guess.
C
My
message
to
States
really
comes
down
to
how
close
your
state
is
to
high
numbers
of
people
who
choose
to
get
an
absentee
ballot.
Every
election
is
going
to
make
it
easier
for
you
to
transfer
over
completely
to
vote
by
mail
or
a
vote
at
home
environment.
The
further
from
that
your
state
is
it's
going
to
be
a
heavier
lift,
and
this
is
really
where
states
have
to
make
some
critical
decisions
about
how
they're
going
to
move
forward.
C
Some
of
the
controls
that
we
have
here
in
Washington
state
that
are
just
absolutely
imperative
to
and
step
in
to
inspire
confidence
include,
checking
the
signatures
of
either
the
application
that
is
issued
to
the
voter
to
get
an
absentee
ballot
or
on
our.
In
our
case,
when
the
ballot
comes
back
in,
we
compared
every
signature
on
every
return
envelope
to
the
signature
on
file.
This
is
important
on
a
couple
of
fronts.
You
have
to
also
have
some
sort
of
ability
to
let
the
voter
have
a
second
chance.
They
will
forget
to
sign
the
envelope.
C
They
will
maybe
have
a
signature
that
is
really
outdated
and
will
need
to
be
updated.
So
you
need
to
reach
out
to
the
voter,
and
that
also
gives
a
secondary
check,
because
if
the
ballot
was
returned
erroneously
or
fraudulently,
the
voter
is
going
to
let
you
know
that
that
was
on
their
ballot
and
you
can
begin
an
investigation.
C
The
second
thing
is
is
to
do
that
you're
going
to
have
to
have
those
signatures
digitized,
it
needs
to
be
an
efficient
process,
and
when
we're
talking
about
potentially
hundreds
of
thousands
of
return
envelopes,
you
have
to
have
high-speed
sorters
and
equipment
to
deal
with
that.
So
all
of
those
capacity
issues
and
security
issues
really
need
to
be
thought
through
and
and
work
through
and
in
mechanical
things
like
what
is
the?
What
is
going
to
be
your?
C
What
I
say?
What
are
your
your
parameters
around
voter
intent,
because
my
experience
with
vote
by
mail
is
voters
are
really
creative
and
I
mean
really
creative.
They
do
things
that
you
just
couldn't
anticipate
simple
things
like
circling
the
names
of
the
the
candidate
they
want,
rather
than
filling
in
the
oval,
and
you
need
to
have
a
robust
set
of
guidelines.
So
all
of
your
local
official
officials
are
actually
checking
those
very
consistently
and
so
that
you
have
consistent
treatment
of
those.
C
This
partisan
divide
on
this
issue,
because
the
clock's
ticking
and
every
day
that
passes
is
one
more
lost
opportunity
to
be
able
to
do
the
things
we
need
to
do
to
pull
off
this
election
successfully
and
inspire
confidence
in
our
voters
that
it
was
fair
and
accurate
and
the
only
way
you
do
that
is
balancing
access
and
security,
and
my
closing
thought
is
that
no
state
in
this
country
is
escaping
Kove
in
nineteen
evan.
Here
in
washington,
we
are
concerned
about
having
enough
staff
to
be
able
to
process
the
ballots.
C
It's
a
very
labor-intensive
process
and
each
county
needs
to
have
enough
staff
and
our
workers
are
over
65,
so
I'll,
let
you
do
the
math.
We
have
a
big
recruitment
ahead
of
ourselves
and
finally,
you
know
just
the
the
the
real
the
reality
is
that
people
are
still
going
to
go
into
polling
places
or
voting
centers.
They
need
to
get
replacement
ballots,
they
need
to
register
for
the
first
time
for
same-day
registration
and
that
type
of
thing.
B
A
A
So
there
is
a
huge
human
factor
in
what
we
do
here
and
you
know
I've
seen
several
things.
You
know
the
course
there
was
the
one
instance
in
California,
where
some
apartment
got
nine
ballots
or
something
you
know:
that's
not
the
fall
to
vote
by
mail,
that's
the
fault
of
not
having
a
properly
process
list,
and
you
know
keeping
that
list
up-to-date
and
stuff.
So
we
do
this
by
second
nature.
A
Now,
I
think,
if
you
try
to
tell
the
Washington
voters
that
hey
we're
gonna
go
back
and
have
full
voting,
you
probably
have
a
revolt
on
your
hands
because
it's
become
just
a
part
of
regular
life
with
elections.
We
do
our.
We
do
four
elections
a
year.
Kim
do
specials
in
the
in
the
spring,
for
schools
and
stuff
for
them.
The
primary
in
the
general
they're
all
conducted
by
mail-
and
we
also
I,
would
add,
started
providing
last
year
with
with
Kim's
leadership
and
our
hardwork
postage-paid
returned
ballots.
A
B
D
Thanks
Wendy
honey,
thanks
to
MC
a
spell
for
inviting
me
to
participate,
always
great
to
be
with
my
friend
Kim
Wyman,
who
we
we
there's
always
a
vote
by
mail
vote
at
home,
table
at
the
National
Conference
and
also
with
Paul
gronke.
Both
both
actually
Kim
and
Paul
are
on
our
circle
of
advisers
for
the
National
Voter
home
Institute,
which
is
which
is
one
of
the
things
that
makes
our
organization
unique
and
that
we've
we're
a
non-profit
and
we've.
D
D
Now,
formerly
I
was
the
elections
director
in
the
City
and
County
of
Denver
for
a
long
period
of
time
and
an
election
official
for
13
years,
and
so
I
trained
I
was
part
of
the
transition
in
Colorado
and
that
we
I
ran
elections
at
the
polling
with
polling
places
and
then
and
then
over
time.
Coloradans
started
to
ask
for
their
ballots
repeatedly.
Every
election
cycle-
and
we
saw
this
huge
growth
and
and
what
we
tried
to
do
is
you
know,
look
at
Washington
Oregon
what
they
had
done
and
add
to
it.
D
The
other
thing
I
would
just
share.
Is
I
comment
this
uniquely
positioned
as
someone
who
did
transition
a
system
who
did
who
does
know
the
benefits
of
it,
who
doesn't
know
what
it
takes
to
scale,
and
so
one
of
the
couple
of
the
things
that
we've
been
doing
at
the
National
Voter
home
Institute
is
recognizing
that
this
is
a
significant
undertaking
as
Secretary
of
wyman
mentioned
and
and
that
many
states
have
had
very
small
percentages
of
vote-by-mail
and
what
that
means
is
with
their
low
percentages
under
10%.
D
That
is,
you
know
we
were.
We
were
number
one
trying
to
help
States
implement
and
scale
these
systems,
but
number
two
faced
with
a
lot
of
policy
challenges
that
exist
in
states
right
now
and
again,
like
I,
think
we're
dealing
with
an
emergency
situation
with
Cova
and
how
we
can
make
sure
people
can
vote
in
a
safe,
secure,
effective
way.
But
at
the
same
time,
we
also
have
to
scale
a
system
that
has
mostly
relied
on
antiquated
laws
across
the
country
and,
believe
me,
they
are
antiquated.
D
I
can
go
into
great
detail
about
the
significant
issues,
whether
it
be
alpha,
David's
or
canvassed
timelines
post-election,
or
what
have
there
are.
There
are
antiquated
laws
on
this
topic
across
the
country,
so
we
tried
to
collate
all
that
instead
of
recommendations
that
covers
every
single
state
and
by
the
way
we
don't
even
think
that
the
states
we
gave
five
stars
to
have
everything
right,
there's
actually
suggestions
that
can
enhance
Washington,
Oregon
and
Colorado,
and
we
and
we
and
we
do
that
in
there
we
tried
to
do
that
to
kind
of
continuously
improve
the
systems.
D
So
Wisconsin
is
a
great
example
of
what
could
happen
for
every
state.
If
we
don't
make
adjustments
now
and
secretary
Wyman
mentioned,
you
know
the
on
a
non
partisan
front.
I,
the
one
thing
I
always
say
is
this
is
not
election
should
never
be
a
partisan
issue.
It
should
be
about
a
technical
implementation
of
a
process
that
makes
sure
we
can
process
every
American
within
a
30-day
period
and
by
the
way,
there's
no
other
government
service
or
entity
or
anything
that
serves
every
single
one
of
their
customers
in
a
30
day
period.
This
is
it.
D
Maryland
and
Georgia
are
both
examples
of
states
where
they
contracted
the
mailing
of
ballots
at
the
state
level
and
the
reason
that
that
kind
of
speeds
up
the
processes
that
gives
the
third
party
vendor
that's
doing.
That
work.
One
point
of
contact
to
get
the
data
files
to
get
the
set
of
envelopes
to
get
all
of
that
work
through
one
place
instead
of
159
counties
in
Georgia.
So
both
those
two
states
decided
to
do
that
and
I
think
that
was
a
good
decision
on
their
part
because
it
also
lifted
the
burden
of
processing.
D
All
of
those
ballots
manually
on
the
outbound
side
from
the
counties.
The
other
example
of
where
that's
happening
is
Rhode
Island
Rhode
Island
is
also
doing
that
at
the
coordinated
at
the
state
level
and
Rhode
Island
is
also
centralized
the
the
process
inbound.
So
all
the
ballots,
no
matter
what
County,
no
matter,
what
locality
they
come
into.
One
location
in
Rhode,
Island
and
and
they've
bought
equipment,
they're
getting
a
larger
sorter
they're
doing
that,
because
that's
gonna
lift
the
burden
of
that
paper
process.
D
Signature
verification
all
of
that
off
of
the
localities,
so
that
the
localities
can
focus
on
delivering
in-person
voting
services
and
all
of
those
other
election
activities
that
have
to
happen
they're,
essentially
lifting
that
kind
of
burden
of
paper
and
process
and
envelopes
off
of
them.
So
I
just
say
all
of
that,
because
in
our
strategic
plan,
if
then
I
can
put
the
link
up
for
this,
we
actually
recommend
this.
D
D
The
last
thing,
I
would
just
say
in
kind
of
in
closing
is
we.
This
is.
This
is
an
extraordinary
situation
and
we
have
to
come
up
with
extraordinary
creativity
and
solutions
to
actually
get
voters
across
the
finish
line
in
November
and
so
they're
sort
of
what
are
we
gonna
do
now
and
what
do
we
do
maybe
on
a
temporary
basis
and
then
there's
a
second
question
of
well.
D
But
at
the
same
time
of
all
of
that,
we
also
have
an
opportunity
to
strengthen
and
improve
our
democracy
and
our
election
infrastructure
and
systems
that
are
supporting
it
because,
as
we
see
and
and
I
don't
have
my
slides
to
show
this,
but
every
single
election
cycle
we
see
the
same
headlines,
we
see
five
and
six
hour
lines.
We
see
mal'chik
machine
malfunctions,
we
see
bomb
threats
on
polling
places
that
happens
almost
every
single
time.
We
see
cars
running
into
polling
places.
D
That
also
happens
every
single
election
cycle,
and
we
also
see
the
same
narrative
of
it's
hard
for
election
officials
to
find
enough
people
to
support
the
election,
and
now
it's
even
harder
with
kovat.
So
all
of
those
things
basically
mean
that
we
have
work
to
do.
We
have
work
to
do
across
the
country
in
every
single
state
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
help
make
suggestions
in
a
data-driven
way
that
they
contemplate
not
only
solving
problems
for
today,
but
also
looking
at
changes
for
the
future.
B
D
It's
a
perfect
parallel,
India
I
think
you
and
I
have
talked
about
this
before
it's
sort
of
with
when
COBIT
hit.
There
wasn't
enough
medical
supplies
in
place
and
that
hadn't
been
contemplated,
and
so
it
took
time
for
that
to
happen.
I've
heard
a
lot
of
people
are
trying
to
order,
masks
online
right
now
and
it's
taking
a
long
time,
because
a
lot
of
that
wasn't
in
place
right.
D
So
the
early
planning
now
like
right
now
in
May,
not
in
August,
not
in
Sept
right
now,
has
to
happen
for
election
officials
to
get
the
equipment
they
need
to
put
orders
in
for
paper
and
envelopes
and
all
these
things
that
are
that
are
increasing
exponentially,
because
it's
not
up
to
election
officials.
It's
not
up
to
secretaries
of
state.
It's
not
even
up
to
local
election
officials
to
decide
how
voters
are
choosing
to
vote
they're.
D
Choosing
this
method
of
voting
in
exponential
numbers,
like
we've,
never
seen
before,
and
it's
frankly
up
to
voters,
voters
get
to
decide
if
they
want
to
vote
by
mail
or
not
it
doesn't
matter
what
a
talking
head
on
TV
says
or
a
bully
pulpit
or
a
politician
or
anywhere
it
doesn't
matter
what
anyone
tells
them.
They're
gonna
choose
to
vote
in
the
method
that
they
choose
and
we're
seeing
exponential
increases
than
that
right
now,
gotcha.
B
E
Thanks
Wendy
and
I'm
glad
to
be
here
glad
to
join
Secretary,
Wyman,
Kim,
I,
hope,
I,
call
you
Ken,
since
we've
known
each
other
for
many
years
and
amber
McReynolds.
You
know
I've
been
trying
to
respond
that
some
of
the
field.
Some
of
the
questions
in
the
chat
as
well-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
questions
coming
in
from
a
lot
of
directions,
but
I
really
wanted.
E
Is
to
provide
people
a
couple
resources,
so
they
can
really
inform
themselves
sources
that
I
would
identify
and
I
think
the
panelists
would
agree
are
comprehensive
or
trustworthy.
You
know
we're
in
a
dangerous
situation
right
now
where
misinformation
and
anecdotes
are
flying
around,
and
you
know
anecdotes
aren't
data,
that's
a
political
scientist
speaking,
but
I'm
Wendy
I
know
you
agree,
and
you
know
one
of
the
resources
I
want
to
start
with.
E
Is
the
NCSL
National
Conference
of
State
Legislators
for
those
who
don't
know
but
I've
known
Wendy
for
many
many
years
and
in
part
the
reason
that
many
political
scientists
know
Wendy
the
CSL
is
ncsl
has
become
our
go-to
spot
to
look
at
the
legals
and
statutory
requirements
nationwide
for
absentee
voting
for
no
excuse
voting
for
voter
ID
requirements
for
any
of
a
variety
of
legal
and
statutory
requirements
around
voting
and
actually
all
kinds
of
things.
So
ncsl
is
a
great
site.
E
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I've
searched
NCSL
the
early
voting
page
to
just
get
the
update
on
where
things
stand.
So
that's
one
source.
Second,
of
course,
is
the
National
order
home
Institute.
You
know,
and
premier
analyst
is
charming
enough-
not
to
pitch
her
home
website,
which
is
amazing.
She
did
link
to
50
state
matrix,
which
is
great,
there's
other
resources
there,
including
some
research
I've
conducted
I'm,
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
political
science
research.
E
But
if
you
want
to
know
more,
many
of
those
resources
are
linked
on
the
resources
page
of
the
national
vote
at
home.
Institute
my
own
website
even
read
the
edu.
You
can
find
it
early
voting
at
Reed
College.
We
have
resources
and
then
the
federal
election
assistance
Commission
has
a
lot
of
resources.
They've
been
putting
out
the
whole,
both
administrators,
but
also
voters,
navigate
this
very
complex
situation.
Secretary
Wyman
and
amber
Reynolds
appear
on
a
series
of
videos
that
they
also
have
available
for
people
to
view
it's
a
number
of
hours
of
viewing.
E
So
let
me
start
with
partisanship
that
there's
been
active
questions
on
the
chat
about
a
partisanship
and
vote-by-mail
I
want
to
echo
something
that
both
secretary
and
women
in
the
amber
McReynolds
has
said
in
an
ideal
world
election
administration
would
be
a
technological
administrative,
bureaucratic
issue.
It
would
not
be
one
of
partisanship,
no
I'm,
not
naive,
and
nobody
among
these
speakers
I
would
call
naive.
We
understand
that
politicians
get
elected
in
elections,
including
some
elected
officials
like
secretary
Lyman,
is
elected
in
a
partisan
election.
E
You
secretary,
Wyman,
is
a
model
for
many
in
the
nation,
have
shown
that
election
administration
preceded
a
nonpartisan
objective
fashion,
even
if
you're
elected
in
a
partisan
election.
That
would
be
the
ideal
world
unfortunate.
That's
not
the
world
we're
in
it's
a
very
competitive
political
environment,
and
so
you
know
I
can
respond
globally
to
some
of
the
questions
in
the
chat
screen
about
why
election
administration
has
become
partisan
and
that's
because
it's
heavy
partisan
competition-
and
you
know
politicians
don't
like
uncertainty
and
for
some
politicians
in
states
where
there
hasn't
been
extensive
voting
by
mail.
E
There's
some
uncertainty
about
what
that
would
mean.
I
would
like
to
assure
those
politicians
if
I
could
the
research
to
date
has
shown
that
there's
no
consistent
advantage
to
either
political
party
voting
by
mail?
All
of
these
varieties
of
methods,
early
in-person
voting,
the
party
and
the
candidate
that's
benefited
is
the
party
and
candidate.
That's
best
organized
that
has
the
most
money
or
the
best
resources
or
the
best
personnel
and
can
get
to
voters-
and
you
know,
vote
by
mail
is
a
method
of
of
sending
ballots.
E
It's
also
a
method
of
mobilizing
voters
that
candidates
adapt
to
quite
quickly
and
they
contact
voters
in
somewhat
different
ways,
hironori
and
we
receive
a
lot
of
our
communications
through
the
mail.
Not
surprisingly,
frankly,
if
you
don't
like
endless
campaigning,
you
should
love
the
kind
of
system
we
have
in
Washington
and
Oregon
and
Colorado
really
mobilization
doesn't
start
for
us
until
about
18
days
before
the
election,
because
that's
where
our
ballots
arrive,
there's
really
no
reason
to
get
much
information
to
us
until
that
point.
Nonetheless,
you
know
vote
by
mail
or
no
excuse.
E
Absentee
balloting
has
been
used
throughout
the
nation
to
remind
everyone
that
absentee
balloting
has
been
around
since
the
Civil
War
1860
for
150
years,
no
excuse
absentee
balloting
started
in
1978,
it's
been
around
for
40
years
and
full
vote
by
mail
systems
at
the
universal
ballot
delivery.
These
are
different
systems,
keep
in
mind,
but
the
full
universe
availability
system
used
in
Washington,
Oregon
Colorado
Utah,
know
why
those
systems
have
been
in
place
since
2000.
So
these
are
mature
systems.
Secretary
bodman
is
exactly
right.
E
It
takes
a
while
to
really
get
them
to
work,
to
get
them
to
hung
on
the
amber
McReynolds
pointed
out
some
of
the
challenges
that
your
facebook,
but
these,
these
are
not
new
things,
particularly
the
no
excuse
system.
That's
been
around
for
very
long
time.
What
do
we
know
about
turn
out
turn
out?
The
effects
are
small,
they're,
significant,
but
small
to
the
four
percent
is
the
average
estimate
that
should
really
surprise
people?
What
motivates
people
to
vote
to
get
out
to
either
to
the
polls
or
to
fill
out
those
ballots?
E
It's
less
about
the
mechanics
and
more
about
the
candidates
and
politics
or
time,
and
that's
what
gets
people
out
to
vote
so
I,
don't
want
to
say
that
making
ballot
access,
making
the
hurdles
to
both
registration
and
access
as
long
as
possible
is
important.
It
absolutely
is
important,
but
the
impacts
are
not
large.
The
big
impacts
are
candidates
that
matter
to
people
and
policies
in
a
political
system
that
people
think
matters
for
them
and
really
that's
what
concerns
me
about.
The
rhetoric
that
we've
all
talked
about.
E
That's
going
on
right
now
is
that
you
know
there
are
policies
that
appear
to
be
being
followed
to
keep
people
away
from
the
polls
and
that's
really
unfortunate.
That's
unfortunate
for
all
political
parties
for
all
candidates
that
the
all
candidates
benefit
when,
as
many
people
are
on
the
rolls,
as
many
people
are
participating
as
possible,
because
that's
how
we
get
a
democratic
political
system
and
a
responsive
political
system.
E
So
I
think
we
should
get
as
many
ballots
to
as
many
people
as
want
them
as
possible,
while
assuring
security
and
the
integrity
of
the
system,
and
that's
going
to
give
us
a
system
with
higher
turnout,
because
people
will
care
and
people
will
care,
because
politicians
have
to
listen,
and
so
that's
I
think
what
we're
all
trying
to
work
for
here.
So
now
I
want
to
turn
finally
to
what
we
know
about
local
election
officials
and
we've
been
engaged
in
a
project
called
stewards
of
democracy
supported
by
the
democracy
fund.
E
You
know
I've
actually
talked
with
amber
McReynolds
and
and
the
Underhill
and
Secretary
of
I
mean
about
this
project
multiple
times.
So
we've
sent
out
surveys
to
local
election
officials
about
1,000
responses
in
2018
and
2019,
we're
in
the
midst
of
planning
for
2020
and
here's.
What
I
can
say
about
local
election
officials
generally
and
with
respect
to
No
is
balloting
and
vote
at
home.
So
generally
it's
important
for
everyone
to
understand
the
enormous
diversity
in
election
administration.
In
the
United
States
we
have
over
10,000
local
jurisdictions.
E
These
varies
from
jurisdictions
like
Los
Angeles
County,
with
over
6
million
voters.
It's
a
small
country,
Maricopa
County.
You
know
Harris
County
Texas.
These
are
big
complex
jurisdictions.
On
the
other
hand,
we
have
loving
County
Texas
less
than
200
registered
voters.
We
have
small
jurisdictions
in
Michigan
and
Wisconsin
with
a
few
hundred
voters.
So
it's
really
impossible
in
my
mind,
to
talk
about
the
population
of
local
election
officials
in
the
United
States.
E
Without
understanding
these
vast
levels
of
diversity-
and
so
here's
what
we
know
about
these
kinds
of
changes
that
not
surprising
there's
diversity,
local
election
officials
and
states
that
already
have
modest
high
levels
of
notes,
use
absentee
balloting,
Express
a
great
deal
of
comfort
with
increasing
that
level.
That's
because
they
already
have
the
best
practice
is
in
place.
They
already
understand
how
to
process
these
ballots.
E
They
already
understand
how
to
manage
their
voter
pool
and
local
election
officials
in
places
where
these
systems
have
not
been
in
place
expressed
more
discomfort,
not
that
they
reject
these
reforms,
but
they
expressed
uncertainty
and
they
want
to
know
more
but
know
more
from
leaders
like
Secretary
lineman,
amber
McReynolds,
Steve
Child
in
my
own
state,
where
they've
had
the
experience,
we
found
many
of
the
same
findings
with
respect
to
on
my
go
to
registration
with
automatic
voter
registration.
I,
don't
know
what
this
is.
It's
new,
it's
different
and
I'm
under
a
lot
of
scrutiny
here.
E
So
give
me
information
and
and
help
me
be
comfortable
when
I
can
say
what's
going
on
nationally
and
in
many
states
is
that
policy
leaders
are
engaging
with
state
legislators.
Are
engaging
with
policy
makers
they're
engaging
through
webinars
like
this,
to
ease
the
comfort
level
and
make
sure
that
this
adaptation,
which
is
going
to
come
I
mean
amber,
is
exactly
right.
We
saw
it
in
Wisconsin,
where
absentee
ballot
requests
are
up
tenfold.
E
E
You
want
to
have
it
done
at
the
state
level,
so
local
election
officials
have
some
guidance
I'll
close
just
one
example:
it's
not
really
about
vote
by
mail,
but
it's
an
act
of
controversy
right
now,
but
I
think
illustrates
this
issue,
so
in
Texas
you
can
request
an
absentee
ballot.
If
you
have
a
disability
now,
what
does
it
mean
to
have
a
disability?
E
Do
we
want
local
election
officials
who
have
no
investigatory
power
to
be
in
a
position
of
having
to
mediate
what
a
disability
constitutes
so
right
now
the
state
and
local
officials
and
judges
and
lawyers
are
fighting
about
what
that
means.
I
can
get
really
regrettable,
even
if,
for
just
one
election
they
can
perhaps
lower
the
bar
a
little
bit
on
disability.
That
would
be
my
recommendation,
but
this
is
going
to
get
fought
out
in
court.
I,
don't
want
local
election
officials
to
be
put
in
the
middle
here.
That's
not
where
you
want
them
to
be.
E
B
Well,
thank
you
Paul.
That
was
excellent.
You
touched
on
all
the
points
we
asked
you
to
do
so
I
really
appreciate
that
and
now
it
is
time
for
questions,
and
we
have
quite
a
number
of
them.
The
first
one
is
for
you,
secretary
Wyman.
If
you
want
to
unmute
this
came
in
advance
from
Michael
Eklund.
How
does
the
jurisdiction
and
recruit
enough
bipartisan
poll
workers
to
administer
the
election
during
a
pandemic,
given
that
seniors
are
at
significant
risk
and
I'm?
Throwing
this
to
you
because
you
mentioned
it
and
I
know
your
poll.
B
C
C
The
vast
majority
of
our
workers
in
every
county
in
the
state
are
retired
people
by
and
large,
and
these
are
the
very
people
who
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
work
because
of
being
in
the
highest
risk
group
for
Cova
19,
and
that
is
true
for
polling
place.
Workers
vote
center
workers.
It
really
doesn't
matter
what
what
method
of
voting
your
state
uses.
This
is
going
to
be
true
across
the
board.
C
I've
been
working
with
a
group
called
business
for
America
and
we're
really
I'm
really
excited
I
might
be
spilling
the
beans,
but
we
had
a
conversation
about
how
come
business
help.
You
know
they
they're
frustrated,
like
many
of
us,
are
I.
Think
of
just
we
all
want
to
solve
these
problems
in
front
of
us,
and
and
how
do
we
do
that?
And
so
in
this
conversation,
I
just
threw
out
this
this.
You
know
idea
that
probably
half
to
two-thirds
of
our
workforce
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
come
into
work
in
the
elections.
C
When
you
think
about
this,
this
real
big
recruitment
and
effort
we
need
to
have
in
each
state,
why
don't
we
find
out
about
companies
like
Levi's
and
Patagonia
that
already
we're
planning
on
doing
voter
outreach
to
their
employees
and
giving
their
employees
a
day
off
on
Election
Day
or
giving
them
time
off
to
work
and
volunteer
at
a
polling
place
or
work
in
an
election
office?
If
we
can
connect
those
resources
with
some
sort
of
like
questionnaire
that
maybe
the
local
jurisdiction
can
fill
out,
we
need
masks.
C
We
need
shields,
we
needs
hand
sanitizer
whatever
it
might
be,
connect
those
needs
with
the
people
that
might
be
able
to
provide
it.
Just
in
a
early
conversation,
we
have
a
company
here
in
Lacey
called
eCos,
which
does
you
know
healthy
cleaning
products,
and
they
said
we'd
love
to
provide
hand
sanitizer.
We
just
can't
do
it
for
the
whole
country.
C
B
Great
that
you
have
good
partners
there
in
Washington
for
you
and
I'm
familiar
with
that
brand
Paul
question,
for
you
does
moving
to
all
male.
This
comes
from
Laura
Segal.
Moving
to
male
moaning
have
to
be
permanent
once
you've
done
it.
That
way.
This
is
the
state
committed
to
that
forever.
Do
you
have
any
sense
of
whether
any
states
have
gone
one
direction
and
then
shifted,
or
is
it
a
one-way
track?
Well,.
E
The
historical
record,
Wendy
I,
believe
that's
a
good
question
that
I
should
know
the
answer
to
I
believe
that
historical
record
is
that
once
a
state
allows
for
a
no
excuse,
balloting
system
and
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
viewers
and
listeners
understand
for
me
there's
a
very
there's
an
important
distinction
here
between
no-excuse
balloting,
which
is
used
in
Wendy.
Can
we
look
up
your
website
I?
Think
it's
for
states
right
now.
E
There's
a
great
map,
no
excuse
absentee
balloting
versus
the
full
universal
ballot
delivery
system
to
every
registered
voters,
so
numberless
so
I,
don't
know
of
any
state
that
moved
to
notes
news
balloting
and
then
he
has
removed
that
option
and
I
think.
The
reason
is
that
once
voters,
once
that
option
is
available,
the
segment
of
the
population
that
votes
that
way
continue
to
vote
that
way
and
they
like
it
was
a
question
actually
very
early
on
and
people
are
you
eight?
There
is
some
evidence
of
some
situation
that
people
vote
that
way.
E
I'd
like
to
vote
the
way.
Let
me
also
say
Wendy,
you
know
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
Amber
here,
but
if
she
wants
to
chime
in
election
officials,
in
my
experience,
the
ones
that
I've
spoken
to
I
defer
to
them
because
they
have
the
experience
I'm,
an
academic,
so
the
examining
them
under
microscope
and
believe
me
sometimes
they
tell
me
please
turn
off
the
microscope-
have
a
drink
with
me
instead
or
a
coffee.
Nonetheless,
election
officials
other
than
the
expense
mind.
E
You
tend
to
like
the
method
as
well,
because
it
spreads
out
the
election
date
in
the
end
and
that's
why
a
lot
of
states
actually
adopted
these
systems
after
2000.
So
we
didn't
have
all
the
stress
on
a
polling
place
on
Election
Day.
But
you
know
the
quick
answer
is
no
states
tend
not
to
move
backwards
on
when
they
provide
more
options.
Voters
tend
to
move
to
those
options.
I.
D
D
D
We
still
offer
in-person
voting,
but
it's
fairly
small
and
limited
you
less
than
five
percent
for
sure,
and
usually
more
like
one
percent,
so
I
just
I
think
when
people
do
that
it,
they
sort
of
don't
trend
back
and
so
that'll
be
another
interesting
data
point
that
will
come
out
of
kovat
is:
will
that
trend
reverse
itself?
The
other
thing
that
I
will
say
on
this
is
that
you
know
the
the
analogy
of
this.
Just
to
kind
of
put
it
in
perspective.
D
Is
you
know
you
order
something
online,
whether
it's
Amazon
or
whatever,
and
it
comes
to
you
and
that's
kind
of
what
we
do
here.
What
balloting
were
we're?
Sending
you
your
ballot,
it's
more
of
an
opt-out
system
in
a
lot
of
the
vote
at
home
states
where
you
don't
have
to
sign
up.
It
just
comes
to
you,
but
you
still
have
that
option
of
voting
per
person.
So
it's
a
distinct
thing.
D
So
if
we
look
at
just
how
many
people
now
order
their
groceries
online,
their
products
come
to
their
homes
or
their
lifts
and
ubers
come
to
them.
There's
also
a
consumer
aspect
of
this
of
how
do
people?
How
are
people
going
to
behave
when
they
have
this
option
presented
to
them?
And
when
you
just
look
across
the
consumer
world
of
how
things
are
changing
from
a
shopping
perspective
and
all
those
different
things?
B
Thank
you,
amber
I'm,
gonna
hold
off
on
a
couple
of
other
questions
for
you
and
go
back
to
secretary
Wyman.
Norman
Lee
asks
is
the
signature
verification
conducted
by
staff.
Doesn't
that
make
it
a
subjective
call
and
someone
else
asked
about
signature
verification
with
an
eye
towards
digitalization
and
OCR?
So
could
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
in
a
small
County
and
in
a
big
County
how
that
signature
verification
is
conducted?
Well.
C
Like
like
I
was
mentioning
with
voter
intent
having
consistency
among
counties.
We
try
to
achieve
that
also
with
our
signature
verification.
So
each
county
has
anyone
who's
going
to
do.
Signature
checking
have
training
annually
with
the
Washington,
State,
Patrol
and
and
they're
by
no
means
any
kind
of
signature
experts
that
they're
not
fraud
experts,
but
this
training
does.
C
You
would
be
amazed
at
the
tool
it
gives
you
to
be
able
to
look
at
a
signature
and
see
the
consistency
with
which
people
sign
their
name
and
by
and
large,
what
we
found
is
that
most
people's
signature
over
the
course
of
their
life
stays
pretty
similar.
There
are
two
points
and
in
their
life,
where
it
changes
dramatically.
The
first
is
the
beginning
of
their
life,
they're
voting
life
at
least
18
to
25
and
typically
women.
Their
signature
is
really
cute.
C
It
has
a
heart
over
the
eyes
and
it's
sweet
and
then
they
get
a
job
or
they
they
go
to
college
and
they
get
in
the
workforce
and
they
become
more
mature
and
that
signature
by
and
large
stays
pretty
consistent
till
towards
the
end
of
their
life.
It
might
be
Parkinson's
or
a
stroke
or
some
physical
ailment
that
changes
it,
but
in
that
that
course
of
that
time
it's
a
consistent
way.
C
We
sign
and
that's
what
the
signature
training
really
is
about,
is
kind
of
almost
trite
tracing
that
pin
mark
and
then
those
that's
just
the
first
pass
if
they
don't
think
it
matches,
it
goes
through
at
least
three
or
four
more
levels
of
more
experienced
checkers.
Ultimately,
anything
that's
called
in
a
question
being
missing,
being
a
missing
signature
or
mismatched
signature,
the
voter
is
notified
and
has
an
opportunity
to
cure
that
signature
and
again
that's
a
secondary
fraud
check
as
well
if
they
didn't
return
the
ballot.
C
Finally,
we
are
looking
at
you
know
possibly
doing
OCR
some
sort
of
automated
check
of
those
signatures
right
now.
I
think
people
are
really
comfortable
hand
having
that
eyes
on
real
human
being,
do
it,
but
but
from
a
throughput
standpoint
it
is
a
bottleneck
that
does
slow
the
process
down.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
great.
B
I
can
tell
you
all
that
my
daughter
did
what
you
suggested
about
the
hearts
and
such
over
the
her
signature
and
when
she
matured
from
sixteen
to
eighteen
and
voted,
we
vote
in
Colorado.
Her
signature
did
not
match
and
she
was
alerted
to
this
fact
and
had
the
opportunity
to
cure
it.
So
I
can
speak
to
that
really
working.
E
To
and
I
suspect
it
works
this
way
in
Washington
as
well,
but
just
to
China
and
two
things,
one.
Just
the
stress
of
the
secretary
said
it's
not
only
that
there
are
multiple
layers.
It's
not
like
one
person
has
the
call,
but
it
goes
up
and
then
the
voters
give
it
an
opportunity
here.
Secondly,
there
are
external
observers.
They
can
watch
this
process.
E
So
it's
not
like
this
process
is
some
sort
of
vault
yeah,
I'm,
sorry
and
the
third
thing
is
and
I
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
case
in
Washington
in
other
states
in
Oregon
I've
watched
this
happen,
they
have
the
history
of
your
signature,
and
so
you
can
watch
that
signature
over
time.
So
it's
not
like,
if
you
sign
something
really
quickly
at
some
point,
they
won't
be
able
to
validate
it.
They
got
the
signature
that
you
have
produced
over
time,
so
they
have
multiple
examples
with
me.
E
E
B
Thank
thank
you.
Paul
amber
I
want
to
come
back
to
you
for
just
a
moment,
and
that
is
to
have
you
talk
about
voter
registration.
We've
got
a
couple
of
questions
that
discuss
whether
registration.
How
does
that
relate
to
ballots
that
might
be
sent
out
to
people
who
actually
shouldn't
get
a
ballot
people
who
are
falling
off
the
rolls?
And
so
can
you
express
a
little
bit
more
about
how
voter
registration
might
be
the
first
step
towards
running
a
clean
mail,
election
yeah.
D
Sure
it's
it's
a
great
question
and
it's
and
it's
all
interrelated,
it's
the
first
way.
It's
how
the
data
lists
are
created
right
us
through
that
voter
registration
process
and
what
I
would
say
is
again
similar
to
some
of
the
other
election
laws
that
are
on
the
books
around
the
country.
There's
there's
a
lot
to
be
desired
when
it
comes
to
voter
registration,
meaning
that
you
know
the
systems
really
haven't
been
very
efficient,
haven't
modernized
over
time
and
we're
starting
to
see
more
work
done
on
that
as
of
late.
D
We
don't
want
to
make
them
fill
out
another
piece
of
paper
to
get
that
information
across
other
government
agencies,
so
the
better
way
is
to
try
to
capture
that
at
different
points
in
the
process,
so
that
so
that
electrics
get
their
addresses
updated
in
an
efficient
way
and
our
voter
lists
are
clean.
So
if
you
look
at
states
that
have
the
highest
voter
registration
rates,
the
cleanest
list,
the
least
under
livable
ballots,
all
of
those
sorts
of
things,
it's
actually
a
lot
of
the
states
that
were
talking
about
right.
Now,
it's
Colorado,
it's
Oregon
Washington.
D
D
Accordingly,
all
of
that
has
made
those
states
better
in
terms
of
less
maintenance
states
like
Texas,
for
instance,
that
haven't
been
a
part
of
Eric.
Don't
have
a
lot
of
mail
about
learning,
don't
have
automatic
registration,
have
very
restricted
voter
registration
deadlines
and
don't
do
a
lot
to
automatically
update,
addresses,
have
lists
and
aren't
as
accurate
right
so
states
that
kind
of
have
modernized.
D
Voter
registration
made
it
easier,
have
a
much
more,
are
sort
of
have
better
lists
that
are
more
accurate
than
in
states
that
don't
have
a
lot
of
this,
but
there's
still
ways
to
improve
some
of
this
today
and
for
this
election
cycle,
including
things
like
running
national
change-of-address
checks.
So
each
state
could
do
that
now
and
then
do
an
outreach
to
voters.
There's
also,
you
know
a
way
to
do
postcard.
D
B
Right
I
appreciate
that
we
are
coming
close
to
the
top
of
the
hour,
so
I
want
to
get
to
one
of
the
really
toughest
questions
that
we've
had
today
it
came
from
Barbara
cattle.
How
can
we
get
past
the
partisan
divide
and
secretary
Wyman
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
go
first
but
I'm
going
to
ask
everyone
to
address
that
and
any
last-minute
things
that
you
want
to
share
with
this
audience?
Well,.
C
You
know
it
certainly
being
at,
for
those
of
you
don't
know:
I'm
a
Republican,
elected,
official
and
and
right
now,
with
what's
happening,
I
saw
that
Paul
what's
happening
across
the
country
and
and
certainly
on
Twitter
Wars
and
things
is,
you
know
just
gasoline
on
the
fire
and
I
think
that
there
have
certainly
been
calls
for
me
to
you
know
you
need
to
denounce
the
president
or
you
need
to
challenge
your
whatever
it's
like.
No,
that
just
is
one
more
that's
just
taking
the
bait.
C
What
we
need
to
do
is
elevate
the
conversation
above
partisanship,
and
you
know
it
in
in
January
when
the
legislators
come
back,
and
you
know
in
states
like
mine,
where
it's
not
a
full-time
legislature,
we
can
have
all
those
partisan
debates
and
we
can
debate
the
merits
pro
and
con
of
any
type
of
voting
system
and
that's
the
appropriate
place
for
it
right
now.
We
have
a
monumental
problem
in
front
of
us
and
as
Americans
we
have
to
come
together.
C
As
a
country
put
the
partisanship
aside,
we
also
have
to
recognize
that
we
view
it
through
our
partisan
lens.
Every
one
of
us
views
every
one
of
these
changes
through
our
partisan
lens,
and
we
can't
let
that
blind
us
we
have
to
be
able
to
say
what's
important
is
that
every
eligible
voter
in
this
country
in
November
gets
to
vote.
It's
that
simple.
Our
job
is
to
protect
their
rights
and
make
sure
that
they
have
that
ability
and
whatever
we
need
to
do
to
inspire
confidence
that
it
was
a
fair
and
accurate
election.
C
We
need
to
do
and
so
I'm
just
going
to
keep
standing
on
that
so
blocks
until
it
happens
and
lead
by
example,
I
think
that
would
I'm
most
proud
of
in
my
association
with
the
Secretary
of
State.
Right
now
we
have
part
assembly
elected
secretaries
of
state.
Many
of
us
were
a
former
I
mean
some
of
us
were
former
activists.
Some
of
us
were
election
workers,
some
of
us
who
are
legislators,
and
we
all
have
our
partisan
stripes.
C
D
The
rules
of
the
game
have
to
be
fair
and
free
from
that
partisan,
partisan
politics
aspect,
and
it
has
to
be
about
who
votes
and
making
sure
that
that
transaction,
the
voting
transaction
and
it
actually
works
to
get
people
across
the
finish
line
and
P
and
people
can
vote
in
a
safe,
secure,
accessible
and
accurate
way.
The
second
thing
I
would
say
on
that
is
I
completely
agree
with
secretary
Wyman,
that
you
know
the
the
partisan
sort
of
wars
on
Twitter
and
all
of
us
that,
frankly,
are
sort
of
beyond
partisanship.
D
So
we
have
to
be
vigilant
about
about
about
calling
that
out,
regardless
of
where
it
comes
from,
regardless
of
what
side
of
the
aisle
it
happens
to
be
on,
and
then
the
final
thing
I
would
just
say
is
you
know
the
United
States
is
fairly
weak
in
that
election
officials,
whether
they
be
at
the
local
level
or
the
state
level,
are
elected.
You
know
in
a
partisan
way,
a
lot
of
other
countries
and
democracies.
It's
it's
a
technocratic
kind
of
process.
It's
an
administrative
process.
D
If
you
look
at
Canada
or
other
places,
there
isn't
this
elected
kind
of
program,
so
the
governance
is
different
and
I
think
that
you
know
in
every
state
in
the
country.
Right
now.
That's
very
different:
some
are
appointed
at
the
local
level.
Some
are
hired
to
be
election
administrators
summer.
Some
are
elected
locally,
some
are
elected
in
on
partisan
elections,
where
it
doesn't
matter
what
partisanship
you
are
I.
Think
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
other
things
that
we
need
to
think
about
for
the
future
is.
E
I'll,
try,
listen.
There
are
really
big
questions
about
partisanship
in
this
country.
This
isn't
you
know.
I
I
can
only
gonna
sound
like
preaching
to
the
choir
here,
singing
the
same
song
that
Kim
and
amber
and
then
singing
I
hope
that
we
can
move
election
ministry
in
itself.
Out
of
this
partisan
divide,
I
believe
you
know
we
could
have
a
longer
discussion.
I
do
believe
that
really
both
political
parties
would
benefit
enormously.
The
partisan
divides
would
reduce
if
we
had
more
people
on
the
rolls.
E
If
political
strategies
are
not
about
keeping
people
away
from
the
ballot
box,
but
bringing
them
in
because
then
politicians
would
have
to
respond
and
they
would
respond,
I
mean
if
you
look
at
states
with
higher
turnout.
You
see
that
in
the
kind
of
political
rhetoric
that
occurs
in
those
states,
but
look
Wendy,
they're
they're,
very
big
issues
here
about
the
direction
this
country
has
been
going
in
50
years
and
income
inequality
in
a
variety
redistricting.
You
know
we
could
go
long
and
deep
into
this
question.
E
All
the
will
say
to
the
listeners
and
viewers
is,
is
be
critical,
be
skeptical
what
you
hear,
try
to
find,
seek
out
information
from
diverse
set
of
sources
and
and
be
creative.
You
know
we
had
Geographic
based
registration,
redistricting
districts
in
this
country
for
200
years,
but
you
know
we
could
do
things
differently.
We
could
elect
people
in
slightly
different
manners
and
we
could
think
about
the
rules
of
the
game
in
a
slightly
different
way.
E
So
it's
okay
to
celebrate
and,
of
course,
it's
important
to
celebrate
the
important
and
wonderful
things
about
our
country,
but
I
do
think.
Sometimes
we're
a
bit
stubborn
about
looking
two
examples
of
other
countries
and
other
systems
that
do
things
maybe
a
little
bit
better
than
us.
So
I
would
just
say,
be
creative,
don't
automatically
reject
reforms
and
try
to
think
about
ways
that
reforms
can
actually
improve
the
world
and
improve
improve
your
own
lives
at
home.
Got.
B
B
If
we
didn't
answer
yours-
and
you
would
like
any
sir,
if
you
could
send
it
to
me
at
Wendy,
dot
Underhill
at
NCSL
org
or
my
colleague,
Brian
Brian
kinkle
at
NCSA,
org,
we'll
try
to
get
you
an
answer,
and
mostly
I
want
to
say
a
great
big
round
of
applause
for
a
secretary
Wyman
for
Amer
McReynolds
and
for
Paul
gronke
for
bringing
us
some
really
thought-provoking
information
today.
So
thanks
all
this
is
a
Quaker
applause.
Doing
that
thanks.