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From YouTube: ADA and Transportation Accessibility
Description
Transportation is one of the linchpins of the ADA, but 30 years later, many Americans with disabilities continue to struggle with finding accessible and reliable transportation options. Learn about current state and federal efforts to increase accessibility, as well as how policymakers are working to ensure autonomous vehicles are accessible to everyone, including those with disabilities.
Speakers:
Secretary Elaine Chao, U.S. Department of Transportation
Senator Becky Massey, Tennessee State Senate
Sara Davidson, Intelligent Transportation Society of America
Carol Tyson, Disability Rights and Education Fund
Dustin Jones, United for Equal Access NY
A
Hello,
everyone
and
welcome.
My
name
is
douglas
schinkel.
I
am
the
transportation
program
director
here
at
the
national
conference
of
state
legislatures
thanks
a
lot
for
joining
us
today.
This
is
the
fourth
webinar
in
a
five
webinar
series
celebrating
the
30th
anniversary
of
the
american
with
disabilities
act,
the
ada,
the
last
webinar
in
the
series
is
tomorrow
and
I'll
talk
more
about
that
at
the
end
of
the
webinar.
A
A
The
ada
requires
both
public
and
private
transportation
providers
to
provide
to
meet
ada
requirements
and
ensure
access
to
their
stations,
vehicles,
etc,
and,
while
enormous
progress
has
been
made
as
the
results
of
the
ada,
I
think
the
hard
reality
is
that
there
are.
There
are
still
some
a
ways
to
go
and-
and
we'll
hear,
I
think
a
little
bit
about
that
today
about
some
of
the
promise
that
ada
and
some
of
a
lot
of
that
has
come
to
fruition.
But
there
are
still
some
some
challenges
out
there.
A
A
A
With
advocates
representing
people
with
disabilities
to
try
and
improve
accessibility
and
the
reliability
of
transportation
systems
and
infrastructure,
so
we
have
an
outstanding
lineup
of
speakers
with
us.
Today
we
have
carol
tyson
with
the
disability,
rights,
education
and
defense
funds.
We
have
sarah
davidson
with
intelligent
transportation,
society
of
america,
its
america.
A
We
have
dustin
jones,
president
founder
of
united
for
equal
access,
new
york
and
we
have
tennessee
state
senator
becky
duncan
massey
batting
cleanup,
but
first
we
have
a
very
special
video
message
for
you:
u.s
department
of
transportation,
usdot
secretary
elaine
chao
was
gracious
enough
to
provide
a
video
and
so
we're
going
to
run
that
in
a
moment
she
is
the
second.
This
is
secretary
chow's
second
cabinet
position.
She
served
as
the
u.s
secretary
of
labor
from
2001
2009
and
is
the
first
asian-american
woman
to
ever
be
appointed
to
a
president's
cabinet.
A
She
began
her
executive
career
in
public
service
working
on
transportation
issues
in
the
house.
She's
also
served
a
deputy
deputy
secretary
of
the
u.s
transportation
back
in
the
bush
administration,
as
u.s
secretary
of
transportation
she's,
a
strong
advocate
for
safety
and
the
importance
of
infrastructure
and
innovation.
In
our
nation's
economic
competitiveness
and
growth,
as
the
u.s
secretary
of
labor,
she
focused
on
increasing
the
competitiveness
of
americans,
workforce
and
a
global
economy,
promoted
job
training
and
set
new
records
in
workplace
safety
and
health.
A
B
B
B
B
These
funds
are
helping
keep
paratransit
services
running
so
that
people
with
disabilities
can
get
to
the
workplace,
the
doctor's
office,
the
grocery
store
and
all
the
destinations
that
they
need
and
want
to
get
to
later.
This
month
the
department
will
announce
several
new
initiatives,
including
a
new
research
grant
focused
on
automated
vehicles
and
mobility
services
for
people
with
disabilities.
B
B
A
Hello,
everyone
and
thank
thank
you
to
secretary
chao
for
providing
that
video.
It's
really
exciting
the
leadership
she's
providing
and
some
of
the
exciting
initiatives
coming
out
of
the
usdot
one
of
the
programs.
She
mentioned
that
mobility
for
all
projects
program
just
released
their
list
of
grantees
17
grantees
across
the
country
and
encourage
you
to
take
a
look
at
those
there's.
Some
interesting
models,
I'll
quickly
mention
a
few
of
them.
The
virginia
department
of
rail
and
public
transportation
is
going
to
receive
money
to
develop
an
online
directory
of
transportation
services.
A
The
maryland
transit
administration
will
receive
funding
to
hire
mobility
and
manager,
who
will
increase
transportation
coordination
for
people
with
disabilities.
There
are
some
programs
in
dc
new
orleans.
Rural
missouri
and
eugene
oregon
will
work
to
improve
access
to
transportation
for
health
and
medical
employment.
A
So
I
think
those
are
some
of
the
models
that
we
will
take
a
look
at
and
keep
an
eye
on
and
see
if
there's
some
kind
of
best
practices
we
can
share
with
you
in
the
next
year
or
two
so
kudos
to
the
usdot
for
those
exciting
efforts
and
thanks
again
to
secretary
chao
and
the
usdot
secretary
office
for
providing
that.
So,
let's
now
turn
to
our
next
speakers
for
this
session
carol.
A
So
thanks
for
joining
us
again
carol
she's
the
government
affairs
liaison
for
the
disability,
rights,
education
and
defense
funds,
the
national
law
and
policy
center
with
offices
in
washington,
d.c
and
berkeley.
California
tyson
provides
an
advocate
voice
in
the
district
and
works
in
coalition
with
disability
and
civil
rights
partners
and
industry
stakeholders
focusing
on
transportation,
equity,
health
care
supports
and
services
needed
to
remain
in
the
community
and
civil
rights
prior
to
joining
dredf
tyson
served
as
the
director
of
disability
policy
for
united
spinal
association
was
where
I
actually
first
met
her.
A
She
served
on
transportation
committees,
addressing
on-demand
transportation,
bicycle
and
pedestrian
safety,
equity
and
accessibility
issues,
and
in
2014
she
received
the
washington
metropolitan
area
transit
authority,
dr
rosalind
simon
award,
in
recognition
of
advancing
the
field
of
accessible
transportation
through
education,
training
and
advocacy
and
from
everything
I
know
carol.
She
is
richly
deserving
of
that
so
without
I
will
turn
it
over
to
carol
to
give
her
a
presentation
we'll
be
able
to
ask
questions
of
her
later
in
the
virtual
session.
C
C
C
C
C
Transit
agencies
in
some
cities
were
cutting
bus
routes
before
coveted,
which
decreases
paratransit
service
areas,
most
ride-hailing,
uber
and
lyft.
Bike
share
and
scooters
are
inaccessible
and
relying
on
them
as
backup
transportation.
During
emergencies
can
create
bigger
access
gaps,
limiting
transit
access
during
emergencies
and
policies.
Extending
restaurant
service
on
sidewalks
can
exacerbate
existing
accessories.
C
C
You
can
identify
access
gaps
and
fully
utilize
resources
that
are
available.
Adopting
new
mobility
performance
measures
and
collecting
data
can
identify
paratransit
deserts
in
your
state
survey.
Your
state's
sidewalks
curb
cuts
roads
and
rural
areas
and
bus
stops
measure
access
to
affordable,
accessible
housing,
jobs
and
environmental
justice
impacts
of
projects
work
with
the
mobility
managers
in
your
state
and
fully
utilize
section,
5310
funds
for
positive
ways,
travel
training,
accessible
vehicles
and
other
projects
that
go
above
and
beyond
the
ada's
requirements.
C
And
also
message,
equity
and
commit
by
developing
principles.
Projects
in
collaborating
with
the
disability,
community,
consider
maintenance
of
effort,
policies
and
transit
and
state
services,
require
accessibility
plans
and
accessible
service
and
partnership.
Micro
mobility,
riot
family
operators
establish
a
state,
accessibility,
equity
or
sustainable
mobility
office
and
most
of
all
provide
a
seat
at
the
head
of
the
table
for
community
members
with
disability,
accessibility
work
and
you
can
even
hire
people
with
disabilities
for
those
projects
for
best
practices.
C
C
A
Thank
you
carol
for
that
presentation.
As
always,
you
gave
us
a
nice
summation
of
some
of
the
kind
of
current
challenges,
but
some
of
the
kind
of
promising
policies
and
practices
out
there.
I'm
intrigued
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
how
massachusetts
was
able
to
do
a
survey
of
all
the
sidewalks
in
their
state,
because
that's
a
pretty
significant
undertaking.
A
So
I'm
going
to
definitely
look
into
that
a
little
bit
more
thanks
for
sharing
that
and
one
of
the
models
that
carol
mentioned
the
tennessee
office
of
accessible
transportation,
we'll
hear
more
about
that
from
the
bill's
sponsor
senator
massey
a
little
bit
later
in
the
presentation.
So,
let's
now
let
me
quickly
introduce
dustin.
We
haven't
been
able
to
have
dustin
join
us
on
live
yet,
but
he
does
have
a
pre-recorded
video
dustin
jones
is
president
founder
of
united
for
equal
access,
new
york
and
he's
a
bit
of
an
internet
celebrity.
A
You
may
have
seen
some
of
his
videos
online,
showing
the
travails
and
just
kind
of
what
he
has
to
go
through
to
try
and
get
around
new
york
by
subway
by
bus,
navigating
the
sidewalks,
taxis,
etc.
Dustin
started
advocating
for
transportation
access
and
housing
for
people
with
disabilities
after
losing
a
foot
in
a
surgery
in
march
of
2011.
A
D
Video
hello,
my
name
is
dustin
jones,
I'm
32
years
old
and
I'm
a
disability
rights
activist
from
new
york
city.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
having
me
here.
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
something
very
special
to
me:
transportation,
but
not
just
transportation
as
a
whole
transportation
for
people
with
disabilities.
D
D
D
We
have
something
like
the
ada.
That's
supposed
to
protect
us
and
the
ada
does
work
it's
a
blessing
to
have.
However,
it
needs
enforcement.
I
mean,
let's
face
it.
If
we
don't
have
robust
transportation
for
everybody,
how
is
it
that
someone
like
myself
or
anybody
with
a
disability
will
be
able
to
go
to
school?
D
D
D
D
A
Thank
you
for
that.
We
really
appreciate
dustin,
taking
the
time
to
put
that
together
and
for
carol
for
her,
assisting
with
that.
We
thought
it
was
important
to
hear
kind
of
the
first
town
account
of
kind
of
what
it's
like
to
experience,
having
to
navigate
some
of
america's
transportation
systems
when
you
do
have
a
disability
and
dustin's
doing
some
really
important
work
in
new
york
city.
So
we
thank
him
for
that.
A
Next,
we're
going
to
kind
of
move
towards
looking
towards
the
future
and
specifically
the
prospects
prospect
of
the
driverless
car
future.
As
some
of
you
may
know,
there
are
autonomous
vehicle
transportation
services
that
already
exist
out
there.
There
are
shuttles
in
in
different
cities
across
the
us
and
in
the
phoenix
metro
area.
A
Waymo
is
providing
rides
to
a
small
cohort
of
passengers,
and
so
this
is
maybe
something
that
is
not
as
far
away
in
the
future
as
we
maybe
think
it
is,
and
it
obviously
has
incredibly
important
implications
for
people
with
disabilities
and
it's
important.
I
think
that
we
get
things
right
on
the
front
ends.
So
we
have
a
great
speaker
with
us
today:
sarah
davidson
to
discuss
what
considerations
must
be
made
to
ensure
a
driverless
feature
accommodates
people
with
disabilities.
A
Sarah
was
the
co-author
of
a
2019
report,
entire
entitled
driverless
cars
and
accessibility,
and
she
is
going
to
share
some
of
the
findings
with
us.
Sarah
davidson
is
a
technical
lead
at
the
intelligent
transportation
society
of
america,
its
america,
sarah
conducts
extensive
research
and
analysis
pertaining
to
connected
and
automated
vehicles,
mobility
on
demand,
smart
city
technology
and
a
range
of
other
topics,
and
so
with
that
sarah
has
a
pre-recorded
video.
So
let's
run
that
and
then
we'll
hear
from
her
during
the
q
a.
E
E
E
So
automated
vehicles
are
a
hot
topic
in
the
transportation
universe.
These
days,
they
offer
potentially
an
opportunity
to
alleviate
mobility
barriers,
particularly
for
those
who
perhaps
are
unable
to
drive
or
for
those
who
have
relied
on
accessible
vehicles,
which
there
is
sometimes
a
lack
of
avs,
potentially
offer
an
opportunity
for
individuals
with
disabilities
to
age
in
place
and
travel
more
independently
and
roughly
18.7
of
the
us
population
reports
having
a
disability
according
to
the
2010
us
census.
So
this
potentially
could
help
a
lot
of
people.
E
So
universal
design
was
one
of
the
key
things
mentioned
in
our
meetings
with
individuals
from
the
disabilities.
Community
universal
design
is
technology
design
that
can
accommodate
the
widest
range
of
potential
users,
including
people
with
disabilities,
so
costs
often
vehicles
are
not
built
to
accommodate
all
needs
and
abilities,
and
this
has
led
to
a
lot
of
retrofitting,
which
can
be
inhibited
or
otherwise
problematic
for
users
and
associated
expensive
expenses
can
then
be
a
barrier
to
mobility.
E
To
avoid
the
need
to
always
retrofit
the
disabilities
community
urges
that
universal
design
concepts
be
taken
into
consideration
at
early
stages
in
av
development
and
deployment,
and
just
for
your
reference,
an
example
of
universal
design
might
be
for,
like
a
curb
cut
at
the
edge
of
a
sidewalk
rather
than
being
steeply
sloped.
It's
gradually
sloped,
so
that
someone
in
a
wheelchair,
for
example,
can
go
down
safely,
but
this
also
benefits,
for
example,
people
pulling
luggage
or
people
pushing
a
stroller.
So
universal
design
can
not
only
help
those
with
a
disability.
E
E
So
with
avs
and
for
the
with,
in
the
context
of
this
discussion,
I
am
referring
to
level
four
and
five
automation
I.e
highly
automated
vehicles
that
don't
require
the
passenger
to
take
control
of
the
vehicle
during
the
ride.
For
this
reason,
users
or
riders
perhaps
would
not
require
a
driver's
license,
given
that
these
vehicles
could
be
driverless,
there's
opportunities
to
potentially
remove
the
driver,
cockpit,
the
steering
wheel,
pedals,
etc.
E
This
could
open
up
new
opportunities
to
accommodate
riders,
including
rethink
how
we
allocate
space
for
seating
and
for
wheelchair
users.
So,
in
these
images
on
this
screen,
you
can
see
pictures
of
toyota's,
e-pallet
and
local
motors
ali,
and
you
can
see
that
there's
space
in
these
vehicles
not
only
for
standing
passengers
but
also
for
you
know
several
wheelchair
users
and
they're
designed
for
easy,
onboarding
and
off
boarding.
E
Another
important
aspect
of
making
avs
accessible
is
accessible
interfaces.
Interfaces
that
enable
the
unambiguous
exchange
of
information
between
avs
and
travelers
are
critical,
so,
depending
on
what
a
user's
need
might
be,
they
might
need
audible
alerts.
They
might
need
a
visual
version
of
an
alert
or
a
haptic
alert.
E
E
Additionally,
when
considering
accessible
interfaces,
perhaps
voice
recognition,
software
or
gesture
recognition.
Software
would
be
an
asset
to
individuals
who
have
trouble
with
fine
motor
control
or
who
have
difficulty
with
speech,
considering
interfaces
in
a
very
versatile
light
so
that
they
can
accommodate
the
widest
range
of
users
will
help
to
enable
avs
not
to
leave
any
types
of
travelers
out.
E
E
E
For
this
reason,
it
is
really
important
to
include
members
of
the
disabilities
community
in
conversations
as
the
vehicles
are
being
developed,
so
that
the
design
from
the
start
is
built
to
accommodate
the
widest
range
of
users
and,
as
a
last
comment,
another
additional
element
that
would
be
helpful
is
the
availability
of
detailed
data,
for
example,
traffic
data
position,
data
information
on
signs
and
route
related
information.
All
of
that
and
associated
assistive
devices
can
be
beneficial
for
a
more
safe,
complete
trip.
E
Some
additional
considerations
about
avs
and
accessibility
include
that
it
is
important
that
the
avs
be
accessible
and
accommodate
not
only
passengers
inside
the
vehicle,
but
also
a
diverse
type
of
road
users.
So,
as
a
person
crosses
an
intersection,
it
is
important
that
the
av
be
able
to
communicate
effectively
with
that
individual
crossing
the
street,
regardless
of
whether
they
have
you
know
any
hearing,
impairment
or
vision,
impairment,
etc.
E
Associated
standards
and
policies
therefore,
will
be
critical.
Additionally,
it
is
worth
considering
the
way
that
these
vehicles
may
be
deployed.
You
know
it
might
be
a
ride,
sharing
model
like
uber
and
lyft.
It
also
might
be
a
micro
transit
model,
like
you
see,
with
via
where
these
vehicles
are
used
as
shuttles
with
other
individuals
as
passengers.
E
One
of
the
underlying
factor-
one
of
the
underlying
messages
stated
by
our
participants,
was
nothing
about
us
without
us.
Accessible
design
is
critical
for
mobility
for
all.
It's
therefore
important
that
we
rethink
and
adapt
standards
and
policies
as
we
reconsider
vehicle
design
and
the
need
for
certain
types
of
user
interfaces.
E
A
Thank
you
very
much
to
sarah
for
joining
us.
That
was
a
really
excellent
overview
of
the
report
that
she
co-authored
and
we
appreciate
her
joining
us
via
recording
she
will
be
on
live
in
a
moment.
I
think
what
we're
going
to
do
now
is:
let's
pull
the
audience
and
see
what
you
think
about
this
topic,
so
we're
going
to
put
up
a
survey
question.
A
It
asks
in
your
opinion,
as
to
scott,
if
you
could
pull
up
this
survey
question
it
says,
in
your
opinion,
what
is
the
biggest
barrier
to
accessibility
to
autonomous
vehicles
for
people
with
disabilities
and
there's
five
options
to
choose
from
there?
So
please
choose
one
of
them
and
then
we'll
take
a
quick
look
at
how
the
results
come.
A
A
That's
interesting,
so
you're
you're,
stealing,
maybe
a
little
less
concern
about
the
design
and
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
affordability,
which
is,
I
think,
something
that's
maybe
in
not
maybe
discussed
as
much
as
as
you
would
think.
So.
Sarah
do
you
want
to
weigh
in
on
on
these
responses
any
any
initial
reactions
to
what
you're
seeing
here.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
sarah
and
a
good
point
about
the
fleet
kind
of
considerations
that
need
to
be.
You
know,
if
you
do
these
things
at
the
front
end,
maybe
that's
going
to
make
it
cheaper
and
it's
going
to
make
a
problem.
Profit
model
that
that
makes
more
sense
and
maybe
there's
more
potentiality
for
some
public
private
partnerships,
speaking
of
which,
let
us
go
to
our
last
speaker
and
batting
cleanup,
and
thank
you
for
being
patient
is
senator
becky
duncan
massey.
Sarah
massey
was
elected
to
the
sixth
senatorial
district
in
2011.
A
She
serves
a
senate
transportation
committee
and
also
serves
on
the
health
and
safety
committee.
She
previously
served
as
secretary
for
the
senate
republican
caucus
there.
You
are
thanks
for
joining
us.
Sarah
massey,
sarah
massey
retired,
from
the
sertoma
center
after
24
years,
having
served
as
the
executive
director
there
in
knoxville,
the
center
serves
adults
with
an
intellectual
disabilities,
provide
providing
vocational
and
lift
skills,
training,
mental
health
supports
and
residential
services.
A
F
Thank
you
doug
for
having
me
and
and
and
that's
an
honor
to
be
with
everyone
here
today
this
past
year
we
did
pass
the
tennessee,
accessible
transportation
and
mobility
act
of
2020.
Every
good
piece
of
legislation
needs
a
good
name,
but
basically
what
this
new
law
does.
It
creates
the
office
of
accessible
transportation
in
tennessee's
department
of
transportation
that
is
dedicated
to
improving
and
expanding
accessible
transportation.
F
It
builds
on
and
improves
transportation
services
that
offer
more
opportunities
for
people
with
disabilities
and
older
adults
to
access
health
care,
gainful
employment,
social
activities
and
faith
communities
to
name
a
few
transportation
is
not
an
amenity.
It's
life
support
for
people
who
need
it
to
access
groceries,
dialysis
and
jobs
around
the
country.
F
Transportation
remains
the
top
barrier
to
inclusion
for
people
with
disabilities
in
people
who
are
aging.
Current
research
confirms
that
significant
barriers
to
employment
and
community
inclusion
persist
because
of
lack
of
accessible
transportation,
despite
the
passage
of
the
americans
with
disabilities
act
30
years
ago.
Actually,
this
weekend,
this
sunday
is
the
30th
anniversary
in
in
communities
around
the
country.
F
Patchworks
of
funding
programs
and
resulting
transportation
services
exist
to
meet
the
needs
of
these
individuals,
but
the
end
user
has
difficulty
navigating
this
complex
menu
of
transportation
options
in
their
community
in
tennessee,
as
I
sure
am,
I'm
sure
it's
in
most
states.
This
has
traditionally
been
provided
and
coordinated
at
the
local
level.
Accessibility
looks
different
depending
upon
where
you
live,
whether
you're
in
rural
communities
or
urban
areas,
and
it's
harder
to
find
or
it's
not
as
reliable
in
some
communities
than
others.
F
Also,
I
had
actually
a
friend
whose
daughter
was
was
accepted
into
as
a
really
good
paying
job,
but
she
couldn't
afford
the
transportation
to
take
her
to
it.
So
there's
issues
like
that
continue
to
exist.
Members
of
the
coalition
approached
me
and
with
my
background,
at
sertoma
center
and
as
a
disability
provider,
I
knew
the
historical
challenges
and
was
excited
about
sponsoring
the
bill.
F
F
F
F
What
this
legislation
does
is
offer
a
new,
sustained
level
of
support
to
localities
across
tennessee
already
tackling
these
issues.
It
says
that
by
march
31st
2021
the
office
will
produce
and
share
with
the
general
assembly
a
mission
statement
in
scope
of
responsibilities,
a
five-year
strategic
plan
and
then
also
an
annual
report
about
accessible
transportation
in
tennessee
the
they
will
convene
an
advisory
committee
of
stakeholders
that
includes
experts
in
transportation,
aging
and
disabilities
and
people
that
that
use
accessible
transportation.
F
F
A
Thank
you,
senator
massey.
I
appreciate
that
exciting
news
we
will
send
out.
We
will
make
sure
that
we
send
out
when
we
send
the
webinar
slides,
we
will
send
a
link
to
senator
massey's
bill.
She
touched
on
a
lot
of
important
things,
coordination
thinking
about
how
incredibly
frustrating
would
be
to
be
in
the
situation
she
laid
out
where
you're
you
get
to
county
line
and
then
you,
you
know
change
jurisdictions
and
that
upends
your
travel
plans.
I
think
obviously
most
of
us
don't
have
to
deal
with
that.
A
So
we
have
to
really
appreciate
those
struggles
that
folks
have
to
sometimes
go
through.
I'm
glad
you
referenced
that
the
the
new
office
is
funded
partially,
it
sounds
by
5310
funds.
You
know,
for
other
states.
Something
to
check
is
whether
whether
your
states
are
actually
expending
all
these
funds
and
some
of
them
may
be
available,
and
you
you
may
be
surprised,
so
I
really
appreciate
you
kind
of
weighing
in
center
massey,
with
all
the
all
the
work
you're
doing
in
on
these
issues.
A
F
So
I
think
that
will
you
know
that
will
help
you
in
working
the
bill?
I
know
a
lot
of
legislators.
Don't
have
the
background
that
I
have
had
in
as
a
disability
provider,
but
even
in
that
there's
so
many
different
kinds
of
disabilities
that
you
know
it's
always
good
to
have
have
that
extra
help
when
you're
carrying
legislation.
A
F
A
And
we're
really
excited
to
see
what
transpires
and,
of
course
you
mentioned
to
the
public,
private
partnerships
and
some
of
what's
going
on
in
michigan,
which
carol
mentioned
earlier,
there's
also
initiative
in
florida,
which
I
know
we
both
learned
about
before,
but
some
interesting
models
to
get
uber
and
lyft
and
other
private
providers
involved.
So
it
sounds
like
that's
part
of
what
you're,
maybe
hoping
will
come
out
of
this.
A
Okay,
we'll
keep
an
eye
on
that.
We
will
definitely
be
checking
back
in
it'll,
be
fun
to
have
a
check-in
session
a
year
or
two
to
see
how
things
are
moving
along.
We
do
have
a
question
from
the
audience,
so
let
me
ask
this
and
not
sure
who
would
be
best
equipped
to
answer.
I'm
guessing
carol
might
have
some
thoughts
on
this
question
is
from
kara
wilson.
It's
how
my
ada
liability
be
apportioned
between
different
levels
of
government.
A
C
Hi
everyone's
carol,
that's
a
good
question
I
could
share.
I
was
really
excited
to
find
the
massdot
sidewalk
and
curb
cut
survey
to
see
a
state
doing
that
work
on
its
own,
because,
quite
honestly,
a
lot
of
the
work
in
the
most
recent
years
to
improve
infrastructure
has
come
from
lawsuits
so
or
really
bad
press.
C
So
and
but
I
do
know
in
kansas
city,
there
were
some
bike
and
pedestrian
advocates
that
worked
with
the
disability
community
to
and
I
think
it
was
a
ballot
initiative
and
I
think
they
raised
funds
that
way
to
improve
the
sidewalks
there.
So,
but
that's
one
good
example:
it's
really
wanted
it
to
be
a
statewide,
but
it's
not,
but
that's
one
good
example.
So.
F
A
I
agree:
that's
it
serious
undertaking.
Dustin.
Are
you
let's,
let's
see
dustin,
are
you
on
the
phone
with
us?
Can
you
can
you
and
mute?
Can
you
hear
us
yeah,
I'm
here
hi
dustin,
let's
ask
you
a
quick
question:
can
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
advocacy
work
in
new
york
city
in
terms
of
maybe
a
particular
success
story
that
you've
been
that
you've
been
part
of,
or
maybe
maybe
something,
that's
an
ongoing
work
towards
trying
to
get
towards
a
success?
Is
there
a
story
you
could
quickly
share
with
us.
D
D
D
A
A
Yeah
right
exactly
so,
we
do
just
have
one
more
minute,
so
I
think
we
will
wrap
up
in
a
moment
if
we
do
not
have
any
more
questions.
I
want
to
thank
dustin
carroll,
sarah,
sarah
massey
for
joining
us
and
participating.
I
know
sometimes
the
technology
associated
with
this
is
quite
an
undertaking
to
get
to
this
point.
A
So
I
appreciate
we
all
being
at
this
point
and
you
taking
the
time
and
my
colleagues
at
ncsl
assisting
and
the
folks
with
ready
talk,
and
I
really
do
think
this
is
an
important
topic
and
one
at
ncsl
we're
committing
to
kind
of
continuing
to
do
research
and
have
conversations
around.
I
do
want
to
note
that
we
do
have
one
more
webinar
in
our
series
tomorrow
at
one
o'clock.
Eastern
again,
that's
the
ada's
impact
on
accessible
legislatures,
we're
talking
about
what
legislatures
themselves
gonna
have
to
do.
A
State
capital
buildings
are
obviously
most
times
very
old
and
were
not
built
with
ada
in
mind
when
they
were
built.
So
how
do
you
deal
with
that?
So
speakers
from
the
texas
and
wyoming
legislatures
will
detail
some
of
their
recent
renovations
and
how
they
were
able
to
use
those
renovations
as
opportunities
to
come
in
compliance
with
ada,
so
that
will
be
tomorrow.
So
on
behalf
of
everyone
at
ncsl.
Thank
you
very
much
stay
safe.
Thank
you
for
participating
in
this
today
and
we
will
see
each
other
again
soon.
Take
care.