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A
Here,
thank
you,
mr
secretary.
Please
mark
members
present
and
as
they
arrive
good
afternoon,
members
of
the
committee
I
just
I
do
want
to
make
note
that
we
will
be
starting
at
one
o'clock
on
wednesday
as
well
and
have
an
earlier
start
time
on
friday.
I
plan
to
follow
this
schedule
into
next
week
as
well,
just
because
we
will
have
on
heavier
agendas
so
just
make
sure
to
note
the
start
times
on
the
agendas
as
they
are
posted,
as
they
will
change
from
our
regularly
scheduled
1
30
afternoon
meetings.
A
Before
we
start
I'd
like
to
go
through
some
housekeeping
announcements,
please
remember
all
exhibits
written
testimony
and
amendments
must
be
submitted
by
noon
on
the
day
prior
to
the
scheduled
committee
meeting
people
who
wish
to
provide
testimony
or
attend
the
meeting
virtually
must
pre-register
online
at
the
legislature's
website.
The
public
is
strongly
encouraged
to
submit
written
testimony
in
advance
by
emailing
the
assembly,
commerce
and
labor
committee.
Zoom
chat
is
reserved
strictly
for
committee
business.
Only
members,
please
remember
to
keep
your
camera
on
at
all
times.
A
This
will
help
us
ensure
that
we
have
a
quorum
unless
you
are
stepping
away
for
non-committee-related
business
members
and
presenters.
Please
remember
to
be
muted
at
all
times,
unmute
yourself
to
speak
and
then
promptly
mute
yourself
right
after
thank
you,
everyone
and,
let's
begin
with
our
agenda.
We
have
four
bills
on
the
agenda.
Today:
assembly
bill,
200
assembly,
bill,
210
assembly,
bill,
227
and
assembly
bill
330..
I
will
be
taking
the
items
out
of
order
and
I
will
start
with
assembly
bill
210.
A
H
Thank
you
so
much
madam
chair,
chair,
howdigy
vice
chair
carlton,
members
of
the
assembly,
commerce
and
labor
committee.
My
name
is
steve
yeager
I
represent
assembly
district,
nine,
which
is
located
in
southwest
las
vegas.
It
is
my
pleasure
this
afternoon
to
make
very
brief,
introductory
remarks
for
assembly
bill
210
before
handing
it
over
to
two
experts
who
are
with
us
here
on
the
zoom,
and
they
will
take
you
through
the
bill
and
then
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
assembly
bill.
H
210
seeks
to
put
the
chiropractic
physicians
board
of
nevada
in
a
position
to
be
proactive
to
ensure
public
safety,
as
well
as
reduce
unnecessary
hurdles
for
licensure,
and
that
is
my
brief
remark
and
madam
chair.
With
your
permission,
I
would
love
to
hand
it
over
to
dr
maggie
calucci
board,
president
of
the
chiropractic
physicians
board
of
nevada
and
julie
strandberg,
who
is
the
executive
director
of
that
same
board
and
they
will
have
a
chance
to
review
the
bill
and
then
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
Hello,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
dr
margaret
calucci.
I
am
a
chiropractic
physician
practicing
in
las
vegas
and
the
board
president
and
legislative
liaison
for
the
chiropractic
physicians
board
of
nevada.
The
general
intent
of
our
bill
addresses
four
issues:
first,
to
authorize
the
board
to
register,
inspect
and
regulate
chiropractic
practices
that
are
not
wholly
owned
by
nevada,
licensed
chiropractic
physicians.
I
I
And
replace
the
older
term
chiropractor
third
to
update
our
licensing
statutes
to
lessen
barriers
to
licensing
in
the
hope
of
encouraging
retention
and
recruitment
of
more
chiropractic,
physicians
in
nevada
and
fourth,
to
authorize
chiropractic
positions
to
recommend,
dispense
or
administer
lawful,
over-the-counter
products.
Madam
chair,
that
was
a
brief
highlight
of
what
the
board
is
seeking.
Would
you
like
me
to
go
through
each
of
the
change
changes
section
by
section,
or
would
you
prefer
that
we
are
available
for
questions.
A
I
So
we'll
start
with
section
two
of
this
bill
defines
business
entity
and
is
new
language
to
the
board
boards
practice
act.
The
board's
intent
of
this
section
is
to
authorize
the
board
to
register,
inspect
and
regulate
chiropractic
practices
that
are
not
wholly
owned
by
nevada,
licensed
chiropractic,
physicians
or
that
are
not
otherwise
already
regulated,
such
as
medical
facilities
or
practices
owned
by
medical
doctors
or
chiropractors
of
osteopath
or
doctors
of
osteopathy.
I
Recent
investigations
and
cases
have
demonstrated
the
need
for
this
limited
authority
because
the
board
can
effectuate
positive
remediation
against
the
licensees,
but
the
board
has
no
and
changes
to
practices
wholly
owned
by
licensees
by
taking
action
against
the
licensees.
But
the
board
has
no
similar
authority
to
effectuate.
I
Positive
remediation,
where
the
practices
are
not
owned
by
nevada
chiropractic
positions,
our
experience
has
been
that
practices
not
owned
by
nevada
licensees
are
presently
beyond
the
board's
reach
and
thus
are
allowed
to
practice
unregulated
and
compete
unfairly
with
the
practices
that
the
board
does
not
regulate.
The
board
sees
this
section
as
leveling
the
playing
field
for
all
chiropractic
practices.
I
Section
three,
this
new
language
does
four
things
one:
it
establishes
the
requirements
for
registration
of
business
entities
with
the
board
two
establishes
that
the
business
entity
registration
is
annual
and
expires
on
june
1..
Three.
It
allows
the
board
to
approve
a
late
renewal,
accompanied
by
the
renewal
fee
and
the
additional
late
fee,
and
four
requires
notification
of
the
board
substantive
changes
in
the
business
entity
in
writing.
I
I
Subsection
2
requires
the
establishment
of
policies
and
procedures
relating
to
the
patient
records
and
how
patients
may
obtain
copies
of
this
business
entity
ceases
upon
operation
and
subsection.
3
requires
the
board
entity
to
notify
the
board
no
later
than
30
days
after
its
disillusion
sections,
5
and
6.
Harmonize
language
pertaining
to
business
entities.
I
Section
7
amends
nrs
634.090
to
reflect
the
board's
intent
to
increase
potential
pool
of
chiropractic
physicians,
who
might
be
interested
in
coming
to
nevada.
This
intent
is
shown
in
the
three
sections
the
board
seeks
to
amend.
First,
the
change
to
subsection
one
strikes
old
language
that
attempted
to
dictate
the
subject
matter
of
colleges
of
chiropractic.
The
existing
language
precedes
the
nationwide
scope
of
the
accreditation
by
the
cce
council
on
chiropractic
education.
That
language
and
approach
is
now
outdated.
I
Almost
all
three
chiropractic,
almost
all
chiropractic
schools
are
now
cce
accredited
the
language,
although
is
slightly
broader,
to
authorize
the
acceptance
of
college
colleges
of
chiropractic
that
are
not
ccu
credit,
but
are
accredited
by
federal
or
nevada
accrediting
bodies.
This
may
broaden
the
pool
of
potential
candidates
who
might
apply
to
nevada.
I
Second,
the
new
language
in
subsection
two
authorizes
an
experienced
chiropractic,
physician
working
at
least
seven
of
the
preceding
10
years,
who
passed
his
or
her
examinations
at
a
time
when
parts
3
and
part
4
of
the
national
board
of
chiropractic,
examine
examiners
did
not
exist
when
he
or
she
became
licensed.
This
language
makes
it
easier
for
older
and
more
experienced
chiropractic
physicians
to
become
licensed
in
nevada,
and
the
board
hopes
that
this
will
bring
more
licensees
to
the
state
of
nevada
who
are
in
good
standing
and
seasoned
in
the
practice
of
chiropractic.
I
Third,
the
change
in
subsection
six
adds
language
to
ensure
that
a
foreign
graduate
who
has
taken
a
course
of
study
consistent
consisting
of
at
least
four
thousand
hours
and
produces
a
degree
of
chiropractic
chiropractic,
can
seek
licensure
by
this
language.
The
board
seeks
to
assure
that
the
education
of
a
foreign
graduate
is
consistent
and
equivalent
with
the
us
graduates
whose
schools
are
cc
accredited
section
8
through
15
and
section
17-19
and
21
harmonize
the
language
pertaining
to
business
entities.
I
Section
16
amends
nrs
634.220
to
authorize
chiropractic
positions
to
recommend,
dispense
and
administer
over-the-counter
drugs
and
devices.
Well,
this
practice
has
long
been
engaged
in
by
the
nevada's
chiropractic
positions.
The
board
wanted
to
clarify
the
authority
by
making
it
explicit
in
statute.
I
Section
20
amends
nrs
4.9
49.215
to
include
chiropractic
physicians
within
the
definition
of
doctor
for
purposes
of
privileging
and
protecting
communications
between
the
chiropractic
physician
and
his
or
her
patient
in
legal
proceedings.
I
C
You
thank
you,
so
that
was
the
end
of
our
presentation
for
ab210
and
I
would
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
The
chair
of
the
committee
members
might
have.
J
Yes,
sorry
trying
to
find
my
unmute
button.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
I
was
just
curious
if
you're
going
to
address
the
amendment
that
was
as
part
of
the
exhibit.
A
Some
I
believe
that
the
the
entity
who
proposed
the
amendment
is
will
be
testifying
in
support
and
walking
through
the
amendment
when
we
get
to
testimony
and
support
okay,
wonderful,
thank
you.
E
We've
always
been
very
careful
to
make
sure
that
licensing
boards
don't
overreach
and
try
to
go
into
areas
that
they
they
shouldn't.
They
have
jurisdiction
over
chiropractors,
but
not
other
folks.
So
I'm
if
I
could
just
get
an
example
of
what
the
problem
is
and
what
you're
trying
to
fix
that
might
make
this
a
little
more.
C
Through
your
chair,
sorry
to
assemblyman,
I
so
the
the
gist
behind
doing
this
is
not
to.
As
you
mentioned,
we
don't
want
to
outward
step.
We
have
recognized
some
circumstances
through
some
complaints
that
the
board
has
received
of
ownership,
where
there
is
no
chiropractic
physician
as
being
part
of
that
ownership.
C
So
our
concern
is
the
board,
doesn't
have
any
jurisdiction
to
reach
out
to
these
groups
or
corporations
or
other
business
people
who
own
these
chiropractic
practices?
Who
may
require
certain
things
be
done
by
chiropractors.
We
can
only
discipline
the
chiropractor
for
the
chiropractic
position
for
stepping
outside
the
boundaries
of
the
chiropractic,
nrs
and
nac
nac634.
C
E
C
E
Yeah,
that's
that's.
What
I
really
want
to
understand
is
why
why
we
would
need
that,
because
the
chiropractor
works
for
the
entity
is
not
an
actual
part
owner
of
the
entity.
You
have
jurisdiction
over
the
chiropractor.
E
C
C
E
C
I
know
I
I
was
my
understanding
and
I
have
to
re-assess.
I
was
thinking
that
there
was
the
veterinarians,
they
had
some
oversight
over
their
practices,
but
maybe
in
a
different
manner.
So
I
could
be
wrong,
but
I
just
know
that
other
states,
under
their
chiropractic
language,
do
register
the
entity.
E
And
if
I
may,
man
I'm
sure
this
will
this
will
be
my
last
one
and
thank
you
for
the
latitude.
So
do
you
do
you
have
legal
counsel
on
staff
or
do
you
use
a
dag?
We
have
legal
counsel
on
staff
and
this
came
from
your
legal
counsel.
E
E
C
Actually,
it
came
from
a
board
member
or
a
previous
board
member.
I
should
say.
E
C
Yes,
under
section
two
sub
section
five,
it
says
the
board
shall
impose
an
administrative
fine
in
the
amount
prescribed
by
a
regulation
of
the
board
against
a
registrar
that
doesn't
comply
with
the
requirements
of
subsection
4.
Do
we
have
a
set
amount,
or
is
that
based
on
what
they
violate
all
right?
Let
me
just
check
back
here
real
quick.
C
You're,
I'm
sorry.
This
is
julie
stranberg
for
the
record
you're
referring
to
the
registration
fee.
C
Assemblywoman
be
duran
to
julie
stanley.
Sorry
about
that,
it
is
on
page
three
line:
32
number
five:
it
says
the
board
shall
impose
an
administrative
fine
in
the
amount
prescribed
by
a
regulation
of
the
board
against
a
registrant
who
does
not.
That
does
not
comply
with
the
requirements
of
subsection
four.
C
Julie
stranberg
for
the
record.
I
believe
that
is,
we
would
have
to
come
back
through
the
legislation
or
legislative
committee
to
address
that
in
our
regulation
to
set
that
fee
in
our
regulation.
C
C
Julie
stromberg
for
the
record.
It
would,
I
believe
we
would
set
that
in
our
in
our
administrative
code,
so
it
would.
It
would
be
to
the
legislative
committee
during
the
interim
that
we
would
have
to
come
back
and
visit
that
to
accept
those
fees
or
set
that
be.
A
Thank
you,
member
duran,
and
I
believe
mr
edward,
which
meant
you
would
have
to
come
during
the
interim
to
the
legislative,
legislative
commission
interim
committee
on.
Thank
you
for
your
regulations
before
the
next
legislative
session
and
vice
chair
carlton.
I
just
I
was
just
notified
that
it
looks
like
the
legal
counsel.
Mr
ling
is
actually
on
with
us.
Did
you
want
him
to
address
your
questions?
Vice
chair.
E
And
no
thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
I
was
just
curious
as
to
whether
we
they
had
a
dag
or
whether
they
had
counsel
on.
But
if,
if
I
could
expand
upon
the
previous
question,
I'm
always
very
concerned
about
setting
fees
in
regulation
and
not
setting
them
in
statute.
We
typically
set
the
top
amount
and
then
they
work
up
to
a
certain
amount.
E
E
A
Okay,
members,
any
other
questions,
I'm
checking
my
messages:
okay,
assemblymember
yeager.
I
believe
you
had
something
to
add
to
the
presentation.
H
Thank
you
so
much,
madam
chair,
steve
yeager
for
the
record.
Before
we
moved
on
to
testimony.
I
did
just
want
to
address
assemblywoman
kasama's
question
about
the
proposed
amendment
at
this
time.
We
are
viewing
that
as
friendly,
but
to
be
candid
to
the
committee,
I
think
we're
still
trying
to
work
through
some
of
the
nuances
of
that
amendment,
but
we
do
have
mr
van
der
polon,
who
I
think
will
address
that
amendment,
and
then
I
also
wanted
to
let
members
know
that
you
will
be
receiving
a
second
amendment.
H
It's
section
18
of
the
bill
which,
if
you
have
the
bill
in
front
of
you,
would
be
page
13
of
the
bill.
And
if
you
look
down
there
about
line
15
or
16,
there
was
a
creation
of
a
new,
a
new
felony
offense,
a
category
b
felony.
They
had
requested
that
we
consider
making
that
a
category
d
as
in
david,
rather
than
a
category
b
as
in
boy,
and
that
was
something
that
I
was
receptive
to
and
I
believe
the
other
individuals
who
spoke
are
as
well.
H
So
I
anticipate
if
this
gets
to
a
work
session
that
you'll
see
that
amendment
as
well,
but
unfortunately,
we
were
not
timely
in
submitting
that
to
the
committee
but
wanted
to
flag
that
to
the
committee,
and
I
think
mr
pirro
may
be
on
the
phone
as
well
to
provide
any
additional
clarification,
or
testimony
on
that.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
Okay,
seeing
no
hands,
I
am
going
to
move
into
testimony
in
support.
I'm
going
to
start
with
mr
vanderpool,
who
can
address
the
amendment
that
you
all
saw
on
nalus
mr
vanderpulling.
H
Yeah
good
afternoon,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
nick
vanderpool
with
capital
partners
here
here
today
with
the
nevada,
chiropractic
association.
We
are
in
support
of
assembly
bill
210
and
actually
worked
with
the
nevada
chiropractic
board
before
it
went
to
draft
it
was.
It
was
an
excellent.
H
The
association
had
the
chance
to
review
the
bill
and
and
support
the
the
bill
as
as
it's
written
and
and
respect
to
similar
yeager's
amendment
that
he's
bringing
forward
the
amendment
that
we're
bringing
forward
is
is
what
we
consider
a
a
fix
that
we
weren't
able
to
fix
in
2019
to
assembly
bill
147,
and
it
basically
allows
various
qualified
medical
spell
specialists
to
treat
children
who
sustained
a
head
injury
and
during
that
time,
in
in
2019,
we
added
physicians,
assistants
and
advanced
practice
registered
nurses
and
we
attempted
to
get
the
chapter
634
added,
but
it
became
late
to
the
game
and
we
were
told
to
wait
until
2021
to
try
to
make
this
fix,
and
so
we've
been
working
with
the
board
in
the
interim.
H
Let
them
know
that
we
would
like
to
bring
this
forward.
We
thought
about
bringing
this
as
a
a
separate
bill,
but
at
the
end
it
was
the
best
intent
just
to
bring
a
friendly
amendment.
I
do
have
on
the
phone,
dr
david
robetti,
who
is
with
the
nevada,
chiropractic
association,
and
he
can
spec
speak
to
the
technical
terms
and
the
education
of
a
chiropractor
who
and
their
education
as
it
relates
to
this
specific
request.
A
J
Yeah,
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
hear
the
the
doctor's
explanation,
because
it
just
seems
so
different
from
the
bill.
The
main
bill
when
I
was
looking
at
the
amendment
you
know
regarding
head
injuries,
so
certainly
like
to
hear
the
testimony.
A
H
Okay,
the
the
bill
basically
states
that
we're
able
to
return
injured
sports
participants
back
into
the
back
into
the
game,
whether
it's
right
away
or
it's
after
a
couple
days
or
a
couple
weeks
or
eventually,
possibly
never,
and
we
feel
the
chiropractors
are
qualified
for
that.
H
There's
two
specific
classes
in
almost
every
chiropractic
college
that
speaks
to
the
area
of
concussion
diagnosis,
treatment
prognosis
that
would
be
like
a
neuroanatomy
class
there's
also
a
cervical
spine,
anatomy
and
pathology
class
and
the
last
one
is
more
of
a
hands-on
here's.
When
you
return
to
to
play
here's,
if
you
don't
here's
when
you
refer
them
to
a
specialist
and.
H
All
chiropractors
have
tested
on
this
through
our
national
boards.
There's
four
parts
to
our
national
boards
part
two
multiple
choice,
questions:
it's
it
talks
about
that
and
there's
it
on
that
and
then
also
part
three,
it's
a
more
multiple
choice,
but
more
clinically
oriented
on
that
too,
and
that's
according
to
the
director
of
testing
for
the
national
board.
It's
been
so
long
since
I
took
those.
I
can't
remember
exactly
what
parts
tested,
but
so
we
feel
we're
very
well
trained
for
it.
H
We
have
the
education
we're
very
well
tested
for
that
duty.
So
I
think
it's
a
shoe
in
that.
We
should
be
included
in
that
list
of
medical
providers
that
have
that
privilege.
A
E
Yes,
I
did-
and
I
think
there's
some
confusion
out
there
about
the
actual
doctor
and
chiropractor
some
doctors.
Some
folks
in
chiropractic
do
have
medical
degrees
and
some
don't.
This
may
be
a
question
more
for
the
board.
Are
all
the
chiropractors
in
this
state
have
medical
degrees,
or
did
they
just
graduate
from
a
chiropractic
college
and
does
that
give
them
a
medical
degree.
I
Hi
this
is
dr
margaret
caliche.
We
don't
have
medical
degrees.
We
have
doctor
of
chiropractic
degrees.
There
is
additional
training
that
chiropractors
can
do
to
become
certified
as
a
chiropractic
sport,
physics,
that's
extra
training
or
specialty
type
of
programs.
So,
coming
out
with
a
doctor
of
chiropractic,
we
have
the
knowledge
to
treat
musculoskeletal
injuries,
but
regarding
with
specifics
with
sporting
events
and
additional
training
for
more
emergency
purposes,
that
is
something
that
is
an
additional
type
of
certification,
certification
or
diplomat
that
the
doctor
chiropractic
can
receive.
E
I
It's
a
doctor
of
chiropractic
degree.
We
we
go
to
school
for
four
years
of
pre-med,
just
like
a
medical
doctor,
and
then
we
go
an
additional
five
years
or
three
and
a
half
all
year
round.
For
the
doctor
of
chiropractic
degree,
we
study
the
same
materials
as
the
medical
doctors.
We
we
are
trained
in
x-ray
diagnosis
examination
we
just
don't
prescribe
medications.
E
A
C
C
K
Good
afternoon,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
assembly,
commerce
and
labor
committee,
this
is
john
pirro
from
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office.
At
this
time
we
are
in
support
because
we
understand
that
assemblyman
yeager
is
going
to
accept
our
friendly
amendment,
which
we
did
submit
late.
So
I
apologize
for
that.
It
would
change
section
18
of
the
bill,
subsection
4b
from
a
category
b,
felony
back
down
to
a
category
d
felony
which
matches
the
penalty
structure
for
other
crimes
relating
to
this
area
and
we're
grateful
for
assemblyman
yeager
for
accepting
that
amendment.
A
A
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
steve
yeager,
for
the
record
just
want
to
thank
you
for
hearing
this
bill
and
thank
you
for
accommodating
me
by
taking
the
bill
out
of
order.
We'll
continue
to
work
on
some
of
these
issues
and
certainly
would
would
encourage
any
members
to
reach
out
to
me
or
to
my
co-presenters.
If
you
have
any
questions
when
you
have
a
chance
to
look
at
the
bill
a
second
time
and
with
that,
I'm
just
very,
very
appreciative
that
you
heard
the
bill,
madam
chair
and
hope
you
all
have
a
great
rest
of
the
day.
A
A
I
will
open
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
200,
which
revises
provisions
governing
veterinary
medicine.
We
have
assembly
member,
shannon
bilbray
axelrod
here
with
us
this
afternoon
to
present
assembly
bill
two
hundred
assembly
member
bill.
Bryant.
Are
you
with
us?
I'm
here
welcome
to
the
committee
on
commerce
and
labor
when
you're
ready.
Please
proceed.
F
F
At
this
critical
time,
when
nevadans
are
more
reliant
on
technology
than
ever,
nevada
has
an
opportunity
to
shape
the
direction
of
telemedicine
for
optimal
animal
health
and
welfare
benefits.
Today,
nevada
law
and
regulations
are
silent
regarding
telemedicine
to
ensure
nevada
consumers
can
access
the
resources
and
benefits
of
telemedicine
without
sacrificing
quality
of
care.
Ab200
clearly
authorizes
the
use
of
telemedicine
in
nevada
for
the
continued
care
of
an
animal
that
has
previously
been
seen
by
a
licensed
nevada.
Veterinarian
ab200
formally
establishes
and
allows
for
telemedicine
as
a
part
of
the
veterinary
practice
act
in
nevada.
F
The
intent
of
ab200
is
to
provide
clarity
for
both
the
consumer
and
the
veterinarian,
as
appropriate
use
of
telemedicine
to
treat
nevada
animals.
I
want
to
briefly
run
through
what
the
bill
does.
Ab200
firmly
allows
the
licensed
nevada
veterinarian
to
practice
veterinary
medicine
in
nevada
or
animals
that
have
been
previously
examined.
F
The
legislation
affirms
that
the
nevada
state
board
of
veterinary
medical
examiners
have
clear
authority
to
oversee
the
governance
and
acts
of
veterinary
telemedicine.
This
is
of
critical
importance.
Not
all
telemedicine
is
good
telemedicine
by
embracing
the
board
with
clear
authority
over
telemedicine
practices.
This
legislation
ensures
that
in
this
modern
age,
we're
ensuring
the
highest
level
of
consumer
protection,
the
legislation
will
expand
access
to
veterinary
care.
The
legislation
enables
both
clinical
and
education
assistant
to
the
underserved
and
remote
populations.
F
Telemedicine
does
not
alone
fulfill
a
veterinary's
professional
obligation
for
a
thorough
in-person
examination
which
employs
all
of
the
veterinary
senses
and
expertise
and
elicits
animal
responses,
all
of
which
are
imperative,
because
veterinary
patients
cannot
verbally
convey
convey
their
histories
or
symptoms
to
speak,
speak
plainly.
Nevada's
pets
and
agriculture,
animals
can't
speak
for
themselves
and
nevada.
Pet
owners
are
professionally
trained
to
assess
the
status
of
their
pets
and
communicate
that
to
the
veterinarian.
F
This
legislation
aligns
nevada
law
with
federal
law
under
federal
law,
an
in-person
physical
exam
of
an
animal
and
timely
visits.
The
premise
is
required
to
establish
veterinary
client
patient
relationship
and
because
it
is
the
federal
requirement,
it
applies
to
all
states.
This
federal
requirement
of
the
veterinarian,
client
patient
relationship
applies
to
any
extra-label
drug
use
and
the
writing
of
the
veterinarian.
Feed
directives,
with
the
passage
of
ab200
nevada,
will
be
a
nationwide
leader
establishing
telemedicine
as
a
tool
for
veterinary
professionals,
while
allowing
the
highest
quality
of
consumer
protection.
F
With
that,
I
would
like
to
introduce
alyssa
navworth,
who
will
go
through
the
sections
of
the
bill,
as
well
as
dr
susie
costas
and
dr
morgan,
who
will
join
me
with
any
further
explanation
of
the
need
for
ab200
for
the
record,
I
also
will
have
jennifer
pedego,
dr
john
pannell
and
michelle
wagner
available
by
phone.
If
there's
any
technical
questions
that
we
are
unable
to
answer.
Thank
you
committee
for
your
consideration
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
ms
navor.
D
Hi
everyone
thanks
so
much
it's
an
honor
to
join
you
today.
Thank
you,
chair
hagie
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
alyssa
neyworth
and
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
veteran
medical
association
as
assemblywoman
bilberry
axelrod
just
mentioned
michelle
wagner
and
john
pannell
also
of
the
association
are
here
with
me.
Should
I
not
be
able
to
answer
technical
questions
you
have
with
regard
to
the
specific
section?
D
By
section
analysis,
I've
been
asked
to
walk
through
the
legislation
section
by
section
incorporating
the
conceptual
amendment
which
has
been
placed
on
nellis.
I
will
start
with
section
2.
section.
2
of
the
proposed
legislation
defines,
for
the
first
time
veterinary
telemedicine
to
include
communication
via
telephone
video,
mobile
application
or
online
platform.
D
Section
three
of
the
proposed
legislation
places
the
limitations
of
practice
associated
with
telemedicine.
When
read
in
combination
with
a
proposed
conceptual
amendment,
the
legislation
provides
the
veterinarian.
May
use
telemedicine
as
an
ongoing
tool
of
treatment
only
once
the
veterinarian
has
established
the
quote:
unquote.
Veterinary
client,
patient
relationship,
which,
as
the
assemblywoman
I'm
so
aptly
explained,
is
a
technical
tool
of
art
governing
veterinary
medicine
and
its
implementation,
and
that
to
do
so,
you
must
do
so
by
a
timely
fiscal
examination
of
an
animal.
D
This
also
brings
the
definition
of
the
creation
of
the
veterinary
client
patient
relationship
in
line
with
the
federal
definition
of
the
vcpr
section.
4
of
the
proposed
legislation
allows
for
a
licensed
nevada
veterinarian,
who
has
established
a
vcpr
to
oversee
a
licensed
veteran
technician
via
telemedicine.
D
D
A
F
That
would
be
great
chair
just
because
I
think
they'll
really
talk
about
the
need
for
this
bill
briefly,
thank
you.
L
Yes,
I'm
here,
do
you
want
me
to
begin?
Yes,
when
you're
ready?
Okay,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
on
this
matter.
I
apologize.
If
I
have
to
leave
the
session
early.
I
do
have
appointments
starting
at
about
two
o'clock.
As
they
said,
my
name
is
dr
morgan.
I'm
a
native
nevadan.
I
did
my
undergraduate
at
the
university
of
nevada
reno
on
the
millennial
scholarship,
and
I
went
on
as
a
witchy
student
to
washington
state
university
for
my
dvm
since
graduation.
I
have
practiced
at
elko
veterinary
clinic.
L
We
are
the
largest
clinic
in
northeastern
nevada.
We
are
a
mixed
practice
serving
all
species,
and
ours
is
the
only
practice
that
does
after
hours,
emergency
care
for
northeastern
nevada,
myself
and
the
other
doctors
at
my
practice,
fully
support
ab200
for
a
number
of
reasons,
primarily
being
what
was
already
stated
that
our
patients
cannot
speak
for
themselves
and
though
we
all
try
to
be
the
best,
dr
doolittles,
that
we
can
be
we've
not
yet
mastered.
L
Animal
language
and
the
physical
examination
is
critical
and
invaluable
for
providing
us
insight
to
the
health
of
our
patients,
both
large
animals
and
small
for
many
humans.
The
physical
exam
may
not
be
important
as
important.
In
fact,
I
have
been
to
a
physician
many
times
and
never
had
an
actual
exam
performed
on
me,
and
this
is
because
I
can
explain
what's
wrong
with
me.
I
can
have
a
conversation
with
my
doctor,
but
I
would
never
be
able
to
see
a
patient
and
not
actually
perform
a
physical
exam
to
to
diagnose
or
treat
that
animal.
L
L
These
are
things
that
veterinarians
have
had
years
of
training
to
assess
and
they
really
can't
be
assessed
through
telemedicine
since
covet
19.
Our
practice
has
utilized
telemedicine
for
established
clients,
especially
in
an
after-hours
situation,
where
we
can
advise
whether
something
needs
to
be
seen
immediately
on
an
emergency
basis
or
can
possibly
be
brought
in
the
next
day.
Our
clients
appreciate
this
additional
form
of
communication
and
it
helps
prevent
them
from
paying
an
emergency
fee,
possibly
if
it
doesn't
have
to
come
in
and
can
wait
until
the
next
day.
L
Ultimately,
though,
this
is
only
an
adjunct
to
what
we
already
do
and
does
not
replace
the
physical
examination
of
our
patients,
which
still
needs
to
happen
again.
There
are
just
things
that
veterinarians
are
trained
to
pick
up
on
that
owners
can't
accurately
convey
for
large
animal
and
rural
clients,
especially
the
client.
Patient
relationship
goes
even
more
beyond
the
physical
exam
to
proper
storage
handling,
management
of
medications,
quality,
assert
assurance
with
medications,
especially
antibiotic
vaccines.
L
L
In
summary,
the
valid
client
patient
relationship
is
critical
in
protecting
our
patients
and
the
cornerstone
of
that
really
is
the
veterinary
physical
exam.
So
we
believe
that
telemedicine
is
a
valuable
tool
and
we
support
this
bill
because
it
helps
to
give
us
a
guideline
in
which
to
operate,
which
is
currently
missing
in
this
fast
changing
environment
of
of
medicine.
We
want
to
provide
the
best
care
while
utilizing
the
newest
and
fanciest
technology,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
do
this
to
the
detriment
of
our
patients.
A
M
You,
okay,
I
appreciate
you
guys
hey
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
definitely
say
a
lot
of
the
same
things
that
dr
morgan
did.
My
name
is
susie
costa
and
I'm
a
native
nevadan
as
well.
I
really
appreciate
you
guys
being
here
today
to
listen
to
our
comments
about
assembly
build
200.
M
M
I
built
my
practice
on
basic
core
values:
trust
reliability,
communication
with
our
employees,
communication
with
our
with
our
patients
and
clients,
and
a
working
relationship
with
the
clients
and
hard
work,
and
we
try
to
do
the
absolute
best
in
patient
care
here.
So
much
has
changed,
as
you
guys
know,
over
the
past
year
with
this
with
covid19,
and
it's
really
changed
for
veterinarians
and
in
our
efforts
to
decrease
the
negative
effects
of
coca-19
virus
in
the
lives
of
all
of
us.
By
supporting
social
distancing
and
decreasing
person-to-person
contact.
We've
really
tried.
M
There
have
been
countless
advertisements
for
new
telemedicine,
software
and
programs
to
incorporate
into
our
veterinary
practices,
and
when,
when
these
aren't
regulated
by
a
governing
body,
that
they
really
have
the
potential
to
harm
both
the
consumers
and
their
pets,
nothing
can
replace
a
physical
exam,
a
thorough
physical
exam
of
our
veterinary
patients.
It
is
the
foundation
of
veterinary
medicine.
Without
this,
we
accomplish
nothing.
We
need
to
listen
to
our
clients,
tell
us
how
the
patient
has
been
doing.
We
need
to
auscultate
our
patients.
M
We
need
to
listen
to
their
heart
and
lungs
for
indications
of
illnesses.
We
need
to
look
at
our
patients.
We
need
to
use
our
hands
to
evaluate
their
skin,
their
body,
their
joints
and
their
feet.
We
need
to
watch
them
breathe.
We
need
to
look
at
the
color
of
their
mucous
membranes
and
make
sure
the
insides
of
their
ears
are
okay,
make
sure
their
teeth
are
okay,
make
sure
their
abdomen
is
okay.
M
After
the
initial
exam,
the
relationship
has
been
established,
but
only
after
the
veterinary
client
patient
relationship
has
been
completed.
Should
it
be
possible
for
a
telemedicine
visit
to
be
initiated,
questions
about
blood
work,
medication,
progress
or
declines
in
health
can
now
be
answered
safely
and
effectively
via
video
or
phone.
And
please
don't
misunderstand
me:
there
are
great
things
about
telemedicine.
M
It's
absolutely
critical
that
we
introduce
veterinary
telemedicine
guidelines
into
nevada's
veterinary
practice
act
and
give
the
authority
to
the
nevada
state
board
of
veterinary
medical
examiners
to
oversee
telemedicine
in
nevada.
The
implementation
implementation
of
these
guidelines
will
help
to
ensure
the
highest
level
of
protection
for
our
patients,
clients
and
our
veterinarians.
A
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
assemblywoman
for
your
presentation.
Listen,
edward!
Thank
you!
I'm
just
going
back
and
forth
between
the
amendment
and
the
original
taxed
in
the
bill.
So
specifically
in
the
original
text.
Page
two
section
three
sub
three
and
then
in
the
proposed
amendment
page
two
were
refers
to
section
three:
I'm
just
trying.
Excuse
me
page
two
and
three
number
one.
N
The
first
question
is:
is
there
a
definition
for
when
we,
when
we're
using
the
phrasing
emergency
or
urgent
care,
is
that
do
we
have
a
definition
for
that,
and
or
is
that
just
customary
of
the
industry
where
you
have
x,
y
and
z,
and
it's
it's
up
to
the
veterinarian
to
make
that
determination
and
then
actually
I'll
leave
it
at
that
and
then,
if
madame
chair
gives
me
permission
I'll
continue,
but
I
first
of
all
I
want
to
understand
that
first.
F
D
D
O
D
L
A
L
L
Sometimes,
an
urgent
care
is
something
that
the
client
is
needing
a
same-day
appointment
for
so
a
laceration
or
something
that
needs
to
be
the
scene
the
same
day
that
they
call
versus
something
like
a
vaccine
that
could
be
scheduled.
You
know
on
a
different
day
and
that's
kind
of
something
that
varies,
because
not
all
practices
see
urgent
or
emergent
cases.
N
Thank
you
and
madam
chair,
if
I
may
follow
up.
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
the
only
reason
I
asked
this
question
is
when
I
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
the
stakeholders.
N
I
very
much
understand
the
intent
and
understand
that
right
now
there
is
telemedicine
happening
and
there
is
never
that
relationship
established
in
person
with
the
animal
itself
and
the
veterinarian,
and
so
the
only
thing
I
and
the
reason
I
was
asking
about
that
is
I'm
always
concerned
that
if
that's
the
intent
that
we
want
to
establish
that
relationship
that
the
emergency
or
urgent
can
be
defined
in
such
a
broad
way
that
everything
can
be
deemed
to
fall
under
that
category
and
that
we
continue
to
to
have
a
scenario
where
there's
folk,
who
are
just
going
strictly
to
the
telemedicine
and
bypassing
the
requirement,
we're
establishing
now
because
they're
saying
what
is
an
emergency
or
it
is
urgent
care
and
and
that
we
we
still
fall
in
the
same
place.
N
But
you
may
say
you
may
say:
well
that's
impossible,
because
x,
y
and
z,
so
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
get
at
with
that
question.
By
no
means
was
I
trying
to
do
anything
else,
so
maybe
there's
a
response
to
that.
N
But
if
I
could
then
follow
up
and-
and
I
see
that
in
the
amendment
on
page,
one
section
excuse
me
page
one
section:
two,
we
added
or
group
of
animals-
and
I
just
wanted
to
understand
how
that
would
work
when
we
wanna,
when
we're
talking
about
doing
having
some
type
of
electronic
communication
when
we're
doing
it
with
groups
of
animals
are
in
what
scenarios
would
that
apply?
N
How
how
do
we
see
that
working
out
or
I'm
assuming
there's
a
series
of
specific
scenarios
where
you
realize
wait
a
minute?
We
need
to
allow
for
telemedicine
to
occur
with
groups
of
animals
and
that
just
I
was
trying
to
understand
that
better.
F
Assembly,
woman,
bilbray
axelrod.
Actually,
if
I
could
go
to
miss
navworth
for
the
first
part
of
the
clarification
and
then
go
to
one
of
the
veterinarians
for
the
second.
D
D
As
to
your
first
question,
under
that
we
underst,
I
understand
the
concern
that
we
do
not
want
people
using
the
emergency
care
exception
as
a
reason
to
bisect
the
veteran
client
creation
of
the
veterinary
client
patient
relationship.
But
I
believe,
if
you
read
the
language
in
tandem
with
sub-section
two,
it
does
allow
the
veterinary
man
good
faith
and
without
establishing
the
vcpr,
provide
emergency
or
urgent
care,
but
in
general.
D
What
this
does
say
is
that
all
of
that
care
is
now
incorporated
under
the
practice
act
and
is
subject
and
purview
to
the
oversight
and
regulation
of
the
nevada,
veteran
board
of
medical
examiners,
and
so
regardless
of
which
it
would
not
be
the
case
if
we
did
not
pass
av
200..
So
what
this
does
is
it
create
regulation,
oversight
where
regulation
oversight
do
not
currently
exist,
and
we
would
defer
to
the
leadership
of
the
board
to
work
through
those
issues
about
when
someone
abuses
that
that
emergency
care
exception.
D
So
that
would
be
my
first
answer
to
your
the
first
question
and
as
to
the
second,
if
I
just
might
hazard
so
that
that's
the
first
question
the
groups
of
animals
amendment,
which
would
be
the
first
amendment
on
section
two.
So
the
the
number
one
on
the
conceptual-
and
I
looked
to
dr
pannell-
I'm
to
also
speak
to
this.
But
we
were
very
cognizant
that
we
did
not
want
to
exclude
the
use
of
telemedic
veterinary
telemedicine
for
agricultural
and
large
rural
practices.
D
L
I
can
give
an
example
of
how
that
would
be
used.
So,
for
example,
I
have
some
practitioners,
some
owners
and
clients
that
do
honeybees,
and
so
when
I
go
to
treat
their
honeybees,
I'm
treating
hives
of
thousands
of
bees
at
one
time,
and
so
they
may
call
about
a
mite
issue
in
that
group
of
animals,
and
so
it
would
be
a
group
of
bees
or
as
another
example.
L
I
have
a
client
that
has
dairy
goats
and
she
has
a
herd
of
35
dairy
goats
and
I,
you
know,
have
a
relationship
with
her
where
I've
been
to
her
operation.
I
know
how
she
operates.
I
I
go
out
there
at
least
twice
a
year,
sometimes
more,
if
there's
an
issue,
but
I'm
treating
her
her
entire
herd
of
dairy
goats
as
a
herd
and
a
group
of
animals.
If
that
clarifies.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
I
was
asking
about
this.
I
is
there
a
scenario
say
I
I
sell
puppies
for
a
living
and
I
then
indicate
that
my
you
know
this
group
of
puppies
have
all
been
seen
by
a
veteran
by
a
veterinarian
14
times,
and
I
you
know,
I
would
assume
that
a
buyer
would
care
about
that.
I'm
just
curious
to
understand.
If,
on
the
business
side
of
it,
you
would
still,
then,
if
you
had,
I
don't
know
a
bunch
of
puppies
in
front
of
a
camera.
N
Obviously
they
would
never
count
as
you
doing
anything,
I'm
assuming
that.
In
that
scenario,
you
would
want
to
have
a
one-on-one
conversation
about
each
animal
and
and
that's
what
I
was
just
trying
to
understand.
If,
on
the
business
side
of
it,
something
can
be
said
that
may
be
misleading
through
the
business
lens,
not
through
a
me
taking
care
of
all
my
animals
land,
and
I
was
just
curious
to
understand
that.
F
Thank
you,
assemblyman
flourish
for
the
record,
shannon
bill,
assemblyman,
shannon
bilbray
axelrod.
I
think
that
actually
highlights
once
again
what
miss
nave
worth
discussed
about.
Really
the
important
one
of
the
biggest
important
parts
of
this
bill
is,
as
allowing
the
nevada
board
of
veterinary
medical
examiners
to
see
that.
E
Thank
you,
and
I
guess
what
I
would
like
to
understand
is
we
have
a
lot
of
folks
that
live
right
on
the
border.
So
let's
say
I'm
in
a
section
of
the
state
and
it's
really
easier
for
me
to
see
a
vet
in
another
state.
Once
I
have
that
relationship
with
that
vet
in
another
state,
would
this
law
prohibit
me
from
being
able
to
do
telemedicine
visits
with
that
particular
veterinarian,
because
myself
and
my
animal
are
in
the
state
of
nevada.
F
Assembly,
women,
shannon
bilbray
x-ray
for
the
record,
I
would
defer
to
the
either
worth
or
legal
for
that.
Thank
you.
D
That
is
a
scenario
again
for
the
record:
alyssa
navworth
through
you,
madam
chair,
to
vice
chair
carlton.
That
was
a
scenario
that
we
have
not
contemplated.
E
Well,
and
and
that's
my
concern
because
they're
not
I
mean
if
the
physical
relationship
that
you're
predicating
the
legislation
on
if
I
drive
the
pet
to
wherever,
let's
use
arizona,
I
have
that
relationship,
but
now
as
a
snowbird
or
whatever
I
go
to
another
state.
But
I
want
to
keep
that
relationship
and
contradictory
if
I
had
a
relationship
with
the
veterinarian
in
nevada.
But
yet
I
decide
in
july
when
it's
120
I'm
taken
off
to
idaho,
but
I'd
like
to
keep
that
relationship.
E
I
just
want
to
understand
how
we
work
all
those
things
out
and
if
there's
currently
folks
who
have
these
relationships,
is
this
legislation
going
to
disrupt
those
let
those
relationships
and
make
folks
who've
had
a
vet
for
a
while
that
they've
been
working
with
have
to
go
find
a
new
veterinarian.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
have
folks
lose
that
person
that
they
trust
in
in
working
with
it,
so
by
adding
that
physical
contact
once
you've
had
that
in-person
visit.
Where
does
it
go
from
there?
E
So
that's
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
and.
F
Assembly,
women,
shannon
bilbray
for
the
question
that
that's
a
that's
an
excellent
scenario
that
I
have
to
be
honest.
I
didn't
think
of
either
because
absolutely
you
could
see
down
in
laughlin
people
going
across
the
river,
I'm
sure
that's
where
majority
of
veterinary
so
miss
navworth.
If
you
want
to
say
anything
else,
but
we
will
definitely
take
that
into
account
and
try
to
figure
out
the
answers
to
that
as
soon
as
possible.
D
Yes
again
through
you
mem
chair
two
vice
chair
carlton,
we
will
get
a
written
answer
for
you.
Absolutely
that
the
scenario
is
not
to
eliminate
care.
It's
due
to
ensure
that
we
preserve
the
veterinary
client
patient
relationship,
while
also
giving
jurisdiction
of
the
board
over
those
folks
that
are
practicing
telemedicine
to
make
sure
that
they're
compliant
with
not
only
the
federal
law
associated
with
telemedicine,
but
to
ensure
that
they're
pro
it
should
they
be
violating
the
principles
behind
telemedicine
that
they
are
accountable
to
the
board.
D
One
thing
I
will
say
is
that
the
vcpr-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
fully
answers
your
question,
but
I'll
do
more
investigation
is
currently
already
in
regulation.
So
it's
still.
It's
currently
required
that
you
establish
a
timely,
substrate,
client,
patient
relationship.
It
just
is
under
the
board
of
the
regs
of
the
practice
act
and
so
that's
being
brought
into
the
statute.
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
beginning
of
the
answer,
but
I
will
circle
back
with
you
absolutely
with
a
more
prepared
written.
C
A
Okay,
doctor
cousin,
let
me
check
to
make
sure
there's
see
if
there's
any
questions
for
members
and
then
before
we
go
to
back
to
you.
Okay,
I
actually
have
a
quick
question
and
assembly.
Remember:
billboard
axelrod
is
this:
is
there
doctors
right
now
practicing
without
that
relationship
like?
Are
they
doctors
from
out
of
state,
seeing
like
nevada,
animal
patients
or
doctors
within
the
state?
Seeing
animal
patients
via
like
telemedicine
that
haven't
established
that
vcpr
is
that
is
that
is
that
an
issue
here?
Is
that
a
big
issue.
F
Assembly
woman
bill
brax
read
for
the
record.
Well,
I
would
say
two
things:
one
is
we
don't
100
know
because
we
don't
really
have
the
teeth
to
to
go
after
they
shouldn't
be
because,
as
assist
us
alyssa
dave
worth
mentioned,
it
is
in
the
regs,
but
I
think
it
would
really
be
hard
to
to
know
since
we
don't
really
have
the
teeth
to
be
the
oversight,
but
miss
dave
worth.
Would
you
agree
with
that?.
D
Yes
again
for
the
record,
alyssa
navworth,
that
is
correct,
telemedicine
is
not
governed
by
the
nevada
board
of
veteran
medical
examiners.
In
fact,
the
genesis
of
this
legislation
came
through
discussions
that
occurred
during
covenant,
19
about
adopting
regulations
regarding
telemedicine,
and
it
was
decided
that
it
was
a
that
was
a
decision
that
should
be
made
by
the
legislature.
That
should
be
the
policy
of
the
state
of
nevada
to
say
that
we
are
going
to
allow
telemedicine
as
a
valid
medical
tool
and
for
the
veteran
profession.
D
That's
the
decision
that
the
legislature
makes
and
then
gives
the
board
the
authority
to
act,
enact
the
regulations
to
address
the
scenarios
that
have
been
raised
by
vice
chair
carlton
and
assimilant
flores.
Thank.
A
Okay
and
dr
costa,
I
apologize.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
we
got
all
members
questions
in
before
we
came
back,
dr
costa,
you
said
you
had
some
remarks.
You
wanted
to
make.
M
M
I
think
that
any
veterinarian
that
you
have,
if
you've
previously
had
a
relationship
of
vcpr
in
with
your
veterinarian
in
idaho,
you
know
or
in
las
vegas,
and
you
want
to
escape
to
idaho
for
the
summer,
but
you
have
a
current
vcpr
with
a
veterinary
nevada
and
you
and
you
had
an
issue
or
you
had
a
question
about
medicine.
You
know
medicines,
your
pet
was
taking
your
medicines
that
were
needed.
Then
they
would
be
absolutely
okay
to
to
give
you
that
recommendation.
M
I
think
if
you
presented
with
your
veterinarian
in
nevada,
while
you
were
in
idaho
during
the
summer
and
you
presented
that
a
situation
where
your
pet
was
in
need
of
something
more
serious
than
that
veterinarian
would
absolutely
recommend
you
to
somebody
in
idaho,
and
I
don't
think
that
any
of
us
would
really
feel
comfortable
giving
you
a
diagnosis
over
the
phone
or
you
know
with
telemedicine.
We
would
absolutely
say
you
definitely
need
to
go
to
a
veterinarian
in
idaho.
M
So
I
mean
the
relationship
is
still
absolutely
established,
but
we
would
use
that
to
give
you
a
recommendation
to
see
somebody
very
close
to
you
and
I
think
that
has
to
do
with
assemblyman
flores's
questions
too,
like
the
the
emergency
versus
the
urgent
care,
there's
so
many
things
that
people
think
are
emergency
or
urgent
cares,
but
we
always
use
our
we're
not
going
to
give
our
diagnosis
via
telemedicine
for
an
emergency
we're
not
going
to
give
a
diagnosis
over
the
phone.
M
A
Okay,
seeing
no
further
questions.
We
will
move
into
testimony
and
support
before
we
go
into
testimonial
support.
Mr
secretary,
I
did
want
to
know,
could
you
please
note
that
assembly,
member
tolls
and
assembly
member
o'neill
joins
the
meeting
and
they
are
with
us?
Okay
broadcasting.
Can
we
please
check
the
telephone
line
for
those
wishing
to
testify
in
support
of
assembly
bill
200.
C
C
C
O
Do
anything
to
go
to
the
desert
to
chase
birds,
including
having
a
cactus
sticking
out
of
the
side
of
his
foot
and
just
walking
like
there's
nothing
wrong,
and
so
you
know
having
that.
Having
that
hands-on
look
by
a
vet,
you
know
who
are
trained
to
you
know
not
only
feel-
and
you
know-
touch
the
animal
but
literally
smell
the
animal
it
that
can't
be
understated,
and
I
think
it's
a
critical
part
of
this
bill
that
I
I
wholeheartedly
support
and
urge
your
support.
Thank
you.
C
C
Hello,
my
name
is
rebecca
goff,
r-e-d-e-c-c-a,
jesus
and
girl.
Oh
I've
been
frank,
f
has
been
frank
and
I
am
testifying
on
behalf
of
the
nevada,
humane
society.
In
support
of
this
bill.
It
will
help
us
better
serve
the
demands
of
our
shelter,
medicine,
specifically
section
4,
regarding
allowing
the
supervising
veterinarian.
C
To
have
provision
over
the
veterinary
technician,
even
if
they're
not
located
in
the
same
site
as
the
shelter
pets,
are
our
patients.
We
do
have
a
required
relationship
already
with
them
and
it
would
allow
our
technicians
to
provide
emergency
after
hour
care
as
needed
without
having
to
have
the
veterinarian
on
site.
So
we
would
appreciate
the
passing
of
this
bill.
Thank
you.
C
Oh
I
apologize,
the
colors
seem
to
have
hung
up.
A
C
C
Caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
888,
please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You'll
have
two
minutes
and
may
begin
hi
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
jennifer
pedego
p-e-d-I-g-o,
I'm
the
executive
director
with
the
nevada
board
of
veterinary
medical
examiners.
Examiners.
I'd
like
to
thank
the
chair
in
the
committee
for
your
time
today.
C
A
Thank
you
for
your
testimony
broadcasting
next
caller.
F
Sorry
about
that,
I
couldn't
unmute
now.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
consideration
and
I
will
we'll
make
sure
to
circle
back
with
the
two
excellent
questions
that
that
came
up
and
thank
you
for
consideration.
A
Thank
you
assembly
member.
I
will
now
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
200.
thank
you,
assembly,
member
bilbray,
axelrod,
and
your
presenters
for
being
here
with
us.
Okay,
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
assembly
bill
227.
I
will
now
open
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
227,
which
revises
provisions
relating
to
contractors.
A
A
E
A
A
E
I
love
technology.
Thank
you
so
much,
madam
chair.
So
with
that
I
am
a
state
assembly,
woman,
maggie
carlton,
representing
assembly
district
14..
Thank
you
again
for
scheduling
ab227
this
afternoon.
E
E
In
this
state
we
expect
everyone
to
pay
their
taxes
and
pay
them
appropriately
and
if
there's
a
way
that
folks
are
working
and
they're
not
being
taken
care
of,
I
believe
it
should
be
addressed.
We've
had
this
conversation
about
misclassification
and
independent
contractors
in
this
building
for
over
a
decade
and
here's
another
issue
that
has
been
brought
to
light
on
how
folks
are
being
paid
and
the
consequences
to
the
state.
Because
of
that.
E
So
with
that,
madam
chair,
I
would
be
happy
to
turn
over
the
presentation
and
the
conversation
around
this
issue
to
the
folks
who
know
it
very
very
well
to
mr
bill
stanley.
Miss
newman
from
ucic
and
dr
what
ups,
who
has
the
research
paper
that
is
referenced
so
with
that,
madam
chair,
I'm
happy
to
turn
it
over
to
my
other
presenters.
E
To
mr
stanley
first
and
then
work
our
way
through
the
list.
Thank
you
very.
P
Thank
you,
chairwoman
and
members
of
the
committee.
I
am
william
stanley
secretary
treasurer
of
the
southern
nevada
building
trade
chief
assembly
bill
227
was
introduced
by
some
of
the
women
carlton,
as
we've
heard
at
the
request
of
the
southern
and
northern
nevada
building
trade
unions,
along
with
other
non-affiliated
building
trades,
you
will
that
you
will
heal
for
peer
prom
later
and
the
united
unified
construction
industry
council.
P
We
thank
her
for
her
leadership
on
these
issues
throughout
her
career
in
the
nevada
legislature,
we
have
worked
with
the
stakeholders
for
the
past
two
years
and
are
seeking
the
passage
of
ab227
to
ensure
the
following.
That
only
contractors
are
employees
who
are
employed
by
the
contractor
on
a
project
who
perform
the
scope
of
work.
That
requires
a
contractor's
license.
P
P
First,
recent
court
decisions
have
determined
that
for
a
contractor
to
be
held
responsible
for
the
actions
of
those
working
under
his
direction-
and
I
quote-
they
must
either
be
him
herself
itself
or
an
employee
of
that
contractor
in
the
court
case,
legacy
specialties
e
case
number
cv20-00404
in
department
number
15
uploaded
to
nellis
for
the
committee's
review,
and
I
quote
from
the
judge
in
the
decision
this
court
concludes.
It
is
fundamentally
unfair
for
the
board
to
discipline
a
contractor
for
conduct
that
is
widespread
within
the
construction
industry
without
notice
of
what
is
allowed
and
disallowed.
P
The
inclusion
of
employee
leasing
companies
within
the
definition
of
contractors
may
be
a
wise
policy,
but
it
should
be
codified
by
statute
are
promulgated
by
administrative
rule,
so
contractors
can
anticipate
their
affairs
and
adjust
their
business
practices.
In
quote,
we
agree:
use
of
construction,
cert
users
of
construction
services,
home
builders.
P
Secondly,
misclassification
of
employees
in
the
construction
industry
cost
nevadans
millions
of
dollars
in
lost
construction
activity
when
a
contractor
misclassifies
an
employee
as
either
an
independent
contractor,
a
cash
employee
or
a
leased
employee.
The
employee
is
often
made
responsible
for
all
payroll
liabilities,
both
state
and
federally.
P
Additionally,
as
a
determined
in
a
2011
lcb
employee
misclassification
study
bulletin
number
1107
on
page
five,
also
uploaded
to
nellis
for
the
committee's
use.
Misclassification
of
employees
in
the
state
of
nevada
in
2011
cost
nevada's
unemployment,
trust
fund,
8.2
million
dollars
in
lost
revenue
lost
revenue
to
nevada's
workers,
compensation
fund
and
payments
for
the
modified
business
tax
are
also
under
reporting.
P
The
unified
construction
industry
council
commissioned
a
study
to
review
these
issues
within
the
construction
industry
in
nevada.
So
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
turn
the
time
over
to
wendy
newman
executive
director
of
ucic
to
discuss
the
council's
study
after
ms
newman
and
dr
waddups
complete
their
testimony.
Who
will
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
the
committee
may
have
so
at
this
time.
Madam
chair,
I
would,
if
you
so
inclined
we
would.
I
would
like
to
recognize
this
wendy
newman
executive
director
of
ucic
to
discuss
the
study.
A
C
through
the
misclassification
of
employees
in
wage
theft.
These
are
just
two
ways:
offending
contractors
have
illegally
reduced
their
labor
burden
and
using
data
in
2018.
The
cost
estimate
suggests
that
these
actions
led
to
31.1
million
dollars,
shortfall
in
the
nevada
state
workers,
compensation
fund
and
11.8
million
dollar
loss
in
nevada's
unemployment,
insurance
program
and
6.6
million
dollars
in
uncollected
tax
revenue
via
the
modified
business
tax.
C
So
this
time
I
would
like
to
introduce
you
to
dr
jeffrey
wattups,
the
director
of
the
institute
of
inc,
I'm
sorry,
the
institute
for
construction,
economic
research
and
the
chair
of
the
department
of
economics
at
the
university
of
nevada,
las
vegas.
He
will
provide
you
with
a
high-level
overview
of
the
study
and
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
B
B
Are
you
seeing,
are
you
seeing
the
are
you
seeing
the
screen
that
says
testimony
on
ab227?
We.
B
Okay,
so
the
study
was
conducted
by
three
of
us.
I
am
jeff
wattups,
the
an
economist
and
I'm
on
the
board
of
directors
of
iseris,
which
is
the
institute
for
construction,
economic
research.
That's
a
non-profit
that
supports
high
quality
nonpartisan
research
in
the
construction
industry,
I'm
also
on
the
faculty
at
unlv,
but
I'm
not
speaking
for
unlv.
Today.
B
My
another
co-author
is
russ
ormiston.
He
happens
to
be
president
of
icers
and
also
kevin
duncan,
who
is
a
research
scholar
for
icrs
and
on
the
faculty
at
colorado,
state
university
in
pueblo,
so
the
study
was
entirely
was
titled
payroll
fraud
in
nevada's
construction,
industry,
extended
fiscal
impact
and
of
course
we
wanted
to
investigate
the
extent
and
fiscal
cost
associated
with
misclassification
of
construction
workers
now
misclassification
take,
as
has
been
alluded
to
takes
on
three
forms.
It
occurs
when
workers
who
meet
the
definition
of
an
employee
are
misclassified
as
independent
contractors.
B
The
second
type
occurs
when
workers
who
meet
the
definition
of
an
employee
are
simply
paid
off
the
books
and
a
third
type
which
occurs
when
workers
on
public
construction
projects
are
misclassified
from
high
skill
categories
to
low
skill
and
not
low
skill
but
low,
paying
skill
categories
and
we're
not
going
to
really
deal
with
this
third
type.
It's
just
the
the
first
and
the
second
type.
So,
let's
move
on
so
how
much
do
employers
save
by
misclassifying?
B
We
we
looked
at
this
question
and
we
found
that
total
employment
costs
of
a
legal
worker
for
a
construction
for
a
contract
in
the
construction
industry
averaged
about
forty,
seven
thousand
four
hundred
and
eighty
six
dollars
a
total
employment
costs
of
a
misclassified
worker.
He
kind
of
did
a
range
on
this.
It
was
between
thirty,
four
thousand
and
forty
thousand,
so
there
are
definitely
differences
and,
of
course,
the
the
consequence
here
is
an
unlevel
playing
field
and
a
competitive
disadvantage
for
law
abiding
employers
all
right.
B
B
Okay,
based
on
data
from
2018,
we
found
that
about
111
000
workers
reported
that
they
worked
in
the
construction
industry
in
nevada,
while
the
the
and
that
only
91
000
workers
were
on
construction
contractors
payroll.
So
the
difference
is
roughly
20
000.
It
represents
an
estimate
of
independent
contractors
and
off
the
books
workers
in
the
industry.
B
Okay.
So
how
much
does
nevada
lose
per
miss
classified
worker?
Well,
for
worker
we
would
fi.
We
would.
Our
estimate
showed
that
a
typical
con,
a
typical
employee,
would
have
927
dollars
paid
to
into
the
ui
system
on
his
or
her
behalf,
workers,
compensation,
insurance
figures,
2445
modified
business
taxes,
518
and
this
is
per
worker.
So
in
total
the
amount
of
revenue
that
that
is
is
is
lost
by
the
state
is
roughly
four
thousand
dollars.
B
Now,
then,
what
we
did
is
we
multiplied,
those
per
worker
figures
by
12,
717
workers
and
that's
how
we
got
our
49.5
million
dollar
hit
that
the
state
of
nevada
takes
now,
of
course.
The
consequence
here
is
an
underfunded
safety
net
and
through
the
modified
business
tax
revenue
losses
to
the
state,
okay.
B
So
our
con.
Our
study
is
consistent
with
other
research
around
the
country
on
employee
misclassification
construction.
I've
listed
some
some
places
there
that
where
studies
have
been
done,
we
estimate
that
you
know
roughly
12
717
construction
workers
were
misclassified
and
each
misclassified
worker
cost
the
state
roughly
4
000
and
the
total
yearly
cost
of
the
state
is
49.5
million.
So
that's
a
broad
overview
of
the
study
and
I'm
willing
to
take
questions.
E
Yes,
madam
chair,
happy
to
have
committee
members,
ask
the
presenters
questions.
I
had
asked
them
to
be
very
brief.
Knowing
our
workload,
the
study,
the
court
case,
all
the
documents
are
there.
I
think
it's
very
telling
that
even
based
on
2018-
and
we
knew
2019
was
a
better
year
than
18-
that
it
was
50
million
dollars.
We
can
only
extrapolate
what
it
might
have
been
in
19.
E
I
will
say
that
one
of
the
issues
that
has
has
come
to
light
in
my
non-profit
daytime
job
are
folks
that
thought
they
were
going
to
have
unemployment
insurance
because
they
were
getting
a
paycheck.
They
thought
they
were
being
paid.
They
went
to
apply
for
unemployment
and
found
out
they
weren't
getting
it
because
they
weren't
that
type
of
employee.
So
I
I
think,
there's
another
issue
that
has
arisen
outside
of
all
this.
E
We
need
to
make
sure
folks
are
educated
when
they
work
in
this
scheme
so
that
they
know
there
might
not
be
that,
but
the
fact
that
that
this
is
happening
in
the
construction
industry.
You
know
our
three
major
industries,
mining,
hospitality
and
construction.
E
If
we've
got
this
problem
in
one
of
our
major
industries
in
this
state,
it's
going
to
cause
a
divot
in
our
budget,
it's
going
to
hurt
working
nevadans
and
we
can't
necessarily
make
sure
that
they'll
get
the
medica
medical
care
that
they
need
if
they
do
get
hurt
on
the
job.
So
with
that
I'll
be
happy
to
turn
it
over
to
my
presenters
to
answer
any
of
the
very
good
questions
I
know
will
be
coming
from
the
committee.
A
Thank
you
vice
chair
carlton,
I'm
going
to
start
with
assemblymember
tolls.
Q
Thank
you
so
much
chair,
and,
and
thank
you
vice
chair
carlton,
for
bringing
this
forward
and
thanks
to
the
presenters
too.
I
really
I
I
do
appreciate
the
explanation
as
to
the
purpose
of
this
bill
and
really
trying
to
address
the
you
know,
sort
of
the
under
the
table
off
of
the
grid
contractor
who's,
not
paying
taxes
that
hurts
our
revenue
in
our
state
and
then
certainly
the
disciplinary
aspect
of
being
able
to
follow
up,
won't
go
into
personal
stories.
But
I
can
definitely
appreciate
the
value
of
that.
Q
We've
heard
a
lot
of
feedback
from
the
specifically
in
section
one
sub
section,
two,
just
the
classification
that
we're
removing
the
ability,
essentially,
as
I
read
it,
for
an
employment
agency
to
utilize
the
services
of
both
skilled
and
unskilled
workers,
and
so
I
know
that
they
they
play
a
different
role
under
the
labor
commissioner
being
able
to
provide
for
flexible
work
currently
on
projects,
smaller
projects
and
so
forth.
Q
P
Chairman
bill
stanley,
for
the
record,
I
don't
know,
what's
going
on,
I've
got
a
delay
of
about
10
seconds
between,
what's
being
said,
and
what
I'm
hearing.
I
I
don't
know,
I'm
not
so
sure,
what's
going
on
here,
but
I
will
try
to
answer
through
you,
madam
chair,
to
assuming
one
toll.
P
Well,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
what
we're
talking
about
when
we
talk
about
skilled
and
unskilled,
currently
in
nevada's
law
under
nrs
624
in
the
construction
industry,
individuals
that
perform
job
site
cleanup,
for
instance,
are
there
folks
who
come
in
to
clean
the
windows
and
do
the
end
of
the
job
and
get
it
tidied
up
for
the
end
user
to
take
over
the
building.
P
Those
services
do
not
currently
require
a
contractor's
license,
and
so,
when
we
were
working
with
stakeholders
over
the
last
two
years,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
clear
that
those
individuals
who
do
that
work
that
currently
don't
require
contractor's
license
that
we
weren't
trying
to
expand
the
role
of
the
contractors.
For
so
that
language
that
you
see
there
is.
I
don't
want
people
to
think
that
we're
talking
about
those
folks
who
may
be
doing
construction
work
called
skill
if
you're
doing
construction
work.
P
That
requires
a
contract
applies
to
you,
but
we
weren't
trying
to
capture
people
who
were
not
already
required
to
be
required
to
have
a
contractor's
license.
So
that's
what
we
were
trying
to
address
there
and
next
we
really
are
trying
to
get
to
the
root
of
this.
P
That
came
up
in
court
where,
by
the
contractor's
board,
was
told
that,
if
a
contract
it
or
if
an
entity
is
not
licensed
as
a
contractor,
even
though
they're
on
a
job
site
performing
construction
work,
if
the
contractor
board
tries
to
discipline
them
through
means
that
I've
been
familiar
with
for
the
50
years,
I've
been
in
the
construction
industry
at
45
years.
I've
been
in
the
construction
industry.
I
don't
want
to
exaggerate.
P
P
You
need
to
go
back
to
the
legislature
and
clarify
the
statute
and
that's
what
we're
doing
and
working
with
the
contractors
board
and
others
we've
tried
to
do
that
in
section
in
in
in
section
three
of
paragraph
seven,
where
we've
tried
to
clear
up
what
exactly
the
judge
said
when
we
included
the
language
that
says
it
lies
from
about
which
that
person,
either
directly
to
a
person
employed
by
that
person,
agrees
to
perform
the
work
in
addition
to
any
disciplinary
other
action
that
may
be
taken
against
lycee
licensee.
P
There
were
complaints
filed
with
the
labor
commissioner,
there
were
complaints,
obviously
filed
with
the
contractors
board.
The
contractor
appealed,
a
court
decision
went
to
the
appellate
and
it
was
overturned
and
said,
and
the
language
was
that
look.
If
they're,
not
a
collector,
you
don't
have
the
statutory
authority
to
discipline
them.
We
think
that's
wrong.
P
That's
not
contrary
to
public
policy,
and
in
this
case
clearly,
this
contractor
out
of
texas
did
something
that
was
egregious,
didn't
pay
his
employees
and
other
work
at
the
job
site
that
wasn't
completed
correctly
and
that
those
people
need
to
be
held
accountable
for
that
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
fix
here.
So
that's
the
two
issues.
We're
trying
to
get
at
one
is
make
sure
we
can
hold
bad
contractors.
P
You
know
accountable
at
the
contractor
and,
secondly,
to
make
sure
contractors
who
aren't
playing
by
the
rules
and
paying
fair
wages
and
benefits
and
and
their
taxes
and
land
that
burden
at
the
feet
of
their
employees,
unknowingly
in
some
cases,
can
be
held
accountable
with
with
the
state's
labor
commissioner.
So
I
hope
question
someone
taught
assemblywoman
told,
but
you
know
that's,
that's
my
understanding.
That's
that's
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
here.
A
Q
Thank
you
so
much,
and
I
I
appreciate,
and
I
and
I
agree
I
I
that
that
scenario
is
is
awful
and
we
we
should,
in
this
body,
fight
against
that,
and
so
I
do
mean
it.
When
I
say
I
appreciate
the
the
value
of
this
legislation.
Q
I
do
want
to
note,
though,
that
this
looking
at-
and
I
appreciate
the
the
court
case-
study
that
that
was
a
contractor.
That
was
not
a
private
employment
agency,
so
do
we
have.
We
do
have
a
way
to
also
discipline
skilled
and
unskilled
workers
under
a
private
employment
agency
through
the
labor
commissioner.
I
just
want
to
clarify.
P
P
Up
through
you,
madame
chair
to
to
some
woman,
told
in
fact,
as
I
understand
it,.
P
Well,
I'm
not
a
lawyer,
and
I
don't
play
one
on
daytime
governors,
so
I
I
want
to
be
clear
here:
okay,
so
I'm
parroting
here,
and
so
I
get
myself
in
trouble
when
I
do
that.
But
my
understanding
is
that
this
entity
out
of
texas
was
acting
as
a
leasing
agency,
or
at
least
that
was
the
claim
they
were
acting
as
a
leasing
agency
to
the
contractor
in
tahoe.
P
There
is
was,
as
you
read
the
case,
there
is
some
testimony
to
that
validity,
but
at
least
that
was
some
of
the
excuses
that
were
given.
So
I
I
I'm
not
I'm
not
disputing
the
value
of
leasing
agencies.
Employee
leads
they
do.
What
I
am
challenging
is
for
a
contractor
or
for
an
entity
to
be
held
liable
for
work
that
employees
of
that
entity
does
on
a
construction
site.
P
P
Comp
we're
leasing,
agents
and
pay
at
lower
workers,
comp
rate
and
different
unemployment
rate
than
general
contractors
that
are
employing
people
the
job
site,
one
two:
it
makes
sure
that
we
can
hold
the
entity
who
performed
the
work
in
this
case.
P
It's
the
leasing
agency,
who's,
not
liable
for
the
work
that
those
employees
that
are
their
employee,
performed
at
the
site
of
the
work
and
not
the
contractor.
So
it's
convoluted,
I
can
tell
you,
I've
been
in
the
business
a
long
time
when
I
read
this
case.
It
stood
me
on
my
head.
I
was
like
this
is
against
everything.
I've
always
understood,
and
by
the
way
I've
been
a
licensed
contractor
myself.
Q
Thank
you
for
your
answers
and
and
for
your
passion.
I
appreciated
it.
I
I
do
want
to
note
on
page
two
that
legacy
was
a
contracted
license
contractor
licensed
in
the
state
of
nevada,
but
maybe
I
missed
somewhere
else
that
it
was
a
acted
as
a
private
employment
agency,
but
thank
you
so
much
I.
I
really
appreciate
the
explanations
and-
and
I
do
appreciate
what
you're
getting
at
with
this
bill.
I
I
I
do.
J
J
It
would
seem
to
me
that
to
have
that
be
a
correct
number.
We
would
also
have
to
have
an
estimate
of
the
payouts
that
weren't
made
so
that
now
we're
including
revenues
for
employees
that
are
properly
classified
and
then
from
a
historical
perspective
or
or
from
averages.
We'd
have
to
see
how
many
of
those
employees
get
paid
out.
Workman's
com
for
unemployment
insurance
and
deduct
that
to
have
a
true
net
effect
to
the
state,
because,
for
example,
right
now
during
the
cobit
we're
we're
losing
money.
J
The
revenue
is
not
coming
in
enough
to
cover
the
unemployment
so,
and
I
can't
remember
the
gentleman
that
gave
that
presentation,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
we're
missing
the
estimated
payouts
as
well
to
get
to
a
net
revenue
number
would
that
be.
A
P
B
All
right,
can
everyone
hear
me
and
okay
through
you,
madam
chair
to
assemblywoman
kasama,
okay,
so
what
we
did
is
is
we
just
made
broad
estimates
of
how
much
money
would
not
be
provided
to
the
state
to
the
state
fund
for
unemployment,
insurance
or
workers
compensation,
if
or
given
that,
given
that
workers
were
treated
as
illegal
independent
contractors
that
were
just
paid
as
cash
employees,
so
we
didn't
have
any
way
to
estimate
payouts.
B
We
just
what
we
estimated
was
that
or
what
we
found
is
that
these
funds
would
be
underfunded
by
a
certain
amount.
Given
that
behavior
and
that's
all
we
could
do
with
this
study.
J
I
understand
it
just
seems
like
you
can
also
come
up
with
an
estimated
amount
of
payouts
based
on
how
many
employees
in
the
state
how
many
people
get
payouts
anyway.
So
that's
just
just
a
comment
that
I'm
making
on
that
and
then
my
other
question
is
in
the
language
on
page
two
of
what
I'm
looking
at
so
that'd
be
section
one
section,
one
subsection,
I
guess
1.1
b,
where
it
says
by
or
through
an
employee
or
employees
of
the
contractor
or
of
another
contractor
in
that
section
b.
J
So
what
what
I'm
trying
to
understand?
I
understand
the
mis
classification
of
employees
and
employers
not
trying
to
pay
their
fair
share,
and
I
completely
agree
with
that
statement.
But,
for
example,
if
I
hire
a
contractor
to
remodel
my
house
and
he
hires
out
an
electrician
and
he's
a
contractor
and
he
hires
an
electrician
who's,
a
contractor
to
do
that.
Work
then
that
that
electrical
contractor
would
be
paid
with
a
1099.
J
N
P
Let
me
I
can
answer
that
so
to
answer
the
through
you,
madam
chair,
to
assuming
women
kasana
so
case
that
you
in
this
situation,
the
case
that
you
just
laid
out
the
hypothetical
that
you
just
laid
out.
In
that
case,
you
hire
a
general
contractor
to
do
some
work
on
your
home
that
general
contractor
hires,
an
electrician
that
subcontractor
that
electrician,
that
person
that
holds
that
specialty
license
also
has
to
be
licensed
to
the
state
contractor's
board.
A
contractor
cannot
hire
knowingly
or
unknowingly
hire
an
individual
who
is
not
a
licensed
contractor.
P
So
in
the
case
that
you
describe
both
the
general
contractor
that
you
hired
and
the
electrician
would
have
both
have
to
be
contractor,
one
would
be
this
general
contractor
or
the
prime
and
the
other
one
would
be
a
subcontractor
to
the
general
contractor.
But
in
that
case
the
prime
contractor,
the
general
contract
that
you
hired
would
be
responsible
for
everything
on
the
job
site,
including
the
work
of
the
electoral
contractor
they
perform
for
you,
the
homeowner,
the
liabilities
payroll
liabilities
rests
with
the
general.
P
Contrary
the
prime
contractor,
if
the
subcontractor
did
not
pay
their
employees
what's
different
in
the
case
that
we're
trying
to
resolve
here
is
that
a
prime
contractor
in
the
hypothetical
that
you
describe
hires
an
electoral
contractor
who's,
not
a
who's,
not
a
contractor,
licensed
in
the
state
of
nevada
and
doesn't
pay
his
employees
and
that
contractor
wires.
Your
house
wrong
and
the
prime
contractor
says
not
my
fault
go
see
the
and
the
electrician
says.
Well,
I'm
not
a
contractor.
P
You
can't
do
anything
to
me
and-
and
that's
really
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
here
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
that
prime
contractor,
who
hired
the
electrician,
who
was
a
property
license,
can
he
can
be
held
liable
for
that,
and
so
we're
really
trying
to
get
to
that
basic
point
to
protect
you,
the
homeowner
in
that
case,
so
that
you
have
a
a
way
of
resolving
your
issue,
which
is
you've,
got
a
house.
P
That's
not
wired,
correctly
now,
and
so,
and-
and
that's
really
the
bottom
line
here
so
that
you
know
consumers
are
and
end.
Users
of
construction
services
are
protected,
as
we've
always
believed
they
were
through
the
state
contractors
board.
J
A
Thank
you
assembly,
member
kasama.
Next,
we
will
go
to
assembly,
member
dickman
and
mr
stanley.
I
will
pause
so
the
members
know
because
there
is
a
delay.
I
will
pause
and
give
mr
stanley
time
for
his
delay
to
take
place
and
then
answer
the
question
and
then
and
mr
stanley
as
well.
You
can
go
directly
to
the
members,
please
the
next
step
we
have
assembly,
member
dickman.
A
E
You
so
much
chair
hodgie,
so
it
almost
seems
like
this
bill.
C
Basically
eliminates
private
employment
agencies,
and
if
that
is
true,
how
does
it
affect
say,
for
example,
young
workers
who
might
be
new
to
construction
and
want
to
try
different
trades
in
a
temporary
setting
or
to
decide
which
trade
they
might
want
to
focus
on?
Or
what
company
they'd
want
to
work
for,
or
or
maybe,
contractors
who
need
to
temporarily
increase
their
staff
to
complete
a
project.
E
P
So
to
you,
with
someone
dickman
to
answer
your
question,
I'm
not
trying
to
work.
I
don't
think
anyone
trying
to
dictate
that
relationship
between.
P
A
contractor
and
a
source
of
employment,
our
employee
source
for
employees,
all
we're
saying
is
that
when
those
employees
come
to
your
job
site,
they
have
to
be
on
your
payroll.
They
can't
remain
on
the
temporary
employment
agency's
payroll.
That
may
be
a
shift
in
a
business
model
for
some
people,
but
this
has
all
been
brought
on
by
a
court
case
that
we
all
didn't
anticipate,
and
so
there
may
be
a
change
in
people's
business
practices,
but
we
believe
that
that
having
the
employee
be
become
the
employee
of
the
construction
industry.
P
P
H
P
To
the
regularly
done
in
the
construction
industry,
I
know
that
there
are.
There
are
employment
agent,
batch,
skilled
crafts
workers
to
non-union
workers,
and
those
individuals
are
immediately
placed
on
the
contract
for
payroll
for
the
temporary
time
that
they're
there
and
then
in
their
return.
They
return
back
a
temporary
hiring
agency
for
it
for
the
next
job
they're
affected.
P
By
that
we
openly
admit
this,
but
we
believe
it's
such
a
minor
change
or
a
relationship
with
the
temporary
hiring
agency
that
given
overarching
interest
in
the
public
policy
that
is
enshrined
in
the
enforcement
of
the
contractor
for
the
interest
624
in
the
state
of
nevada.
We
believe
that
it's
not
onerous
simple
change
and
their
business
practices
could
facilitate
and
continue
that
practice
of
dispatching
and
employing
crafts
workers
for
all
of
those
that.
E
A
I
apologize,
I
forgot
to
unmute
myself
thank
you
assembly,
member
judgment
for
your
question.
Next,
we
will
go
to
assemblymember
o'neill.
A
A
C
C
A
O
O
I'm
I'm
confused
in
the
sense
that
it's
the
state
requires
the
state
contracts
with
numerous
people
and
as
consultants
assistants,
particularly
in
division
of
child
and
family
services,
and
it
goes
through
manpower
and
they
require
that
they
have
a
certain
level
of
manpower
before
they
can
supply
the
employee,
have
a
insurance
to
for
any
malpractice
or
work
and
also
make
sure
that
they
take
care
of
their
unemployment,
etc.
O
So
I'm
at
a
loss
can't
the
contractor,
who
may
only
need
a
unskilled
laborer
to
muck
out
or
clean
out
a
residence,
a
building
for
a
day
or
two
in
their
contract.
With
that
private
employment
agency,
we
make
the
same
requirements
that
they
have
to
provide
these
services
to
ensure
that
the
employee
who
they're
hiring
through
that
pia
is
protected,
covered
with
unemployment,
insurance
workers,
comp
etcetera
and
that
they're
protected.
Also,
that's
a
long
question.
I
know,
but
I'm
really
confused
here
and
I
need
your.
O
P
So
to
you
is
something
I
don't
know,
I'm
as
frustrated
today
with
this
technology
as
you
are
so
I
I
appreciate
where
we're
all
here
today
to
try
to
answer
your
question
in
the
scenario
in
the
hypothetical
that
you
just
laid
out,
that
temperament
would
have
sent
someone
to
a
contractor
to
clean
out
a
house
would
not
be
required
to
be
a
licensed
contractor.
Therefore,
that
situation
would
not
be
precluded
and
that's
not
what
we're
trying
to
fix.
P
In
fact,
if
we
go
back
to
the
language
that
I
discussed,
which
earlier
in
section
one
subsection
two
I
mean
sub
paragraph
two,
you
know,
that
is
what
we're
saying
there
is
that
a
contractor.
P
We're
not
trying
to
include
work
that
the
con
party
have
jurisdiction
over
so
those
types
of
individuals
that
you're
talking
about
that
do
clean
up
those
individuals
that
come
in
and
do
you
know
the
the
cleanup
of
the
building
when
we're
done
vacuuming
cleaning
windows
and
doing
all
that
final
readiness
for
the
building
or
in
the
beginning
of
the
building.
You
know
for
in
the
beginning
of
the
construction,
getting
the
construction
site
ready
to
go.
O
O
So
that's
I'm
just
saying
it
just
seems
to
me:
it's
still
part
of
the
contractor's
work
that
and
they
could
negotiate
have
their
contra
have
a
contract
with
those
private
employment
agencies
to
provide
ensure
that
the
employees
they
hire
or
give
to
them
supply
are
covered
under
the
various
insurance
bills,
workers,
comp
etc.
That's
all
thank.
O
P
O
E
Okay,
thank
you
man,
I'm
sure
if
I
could
just
hop
into
to
re-idiot
reiterate
those
those
folks
are
not
licensed
and
not
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
contractor's
board.
So
therefore
this
would
not
comply.
This
would
not.
They
would
not
comply
with
this.
So
that's
why
the
language
was
put
in
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
adversely
affect
someone
who
really
the
contractor's
board
has
no
jurisdiction
over.
A
A
Okay
here
we
go.
I
just
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this.
I
remember.
I
carried
a
wage
death
bill
in
2017
and
because
misclassification
was
such
a
big
issue
and
we
that
we're
still
dealing
with-
and
I
remember
specifically
testimony
from
mr
jim
halsey,
representing
ibw
about
his
members
and
about
how,
over
the
course
from
2002
to
then
they
had
hired
a
compliance
officer
to
help
over
300
of
their
members,
who
had
been
misclassified,
collect
over
a
million
dollars
in
wages
that
were
due
to
them.
A
C
C
O
Yep,
this
is
jeffrey
prophet.
I
am
the
business
manager
of
sheet
metal
local
88
here
in
las
vegas,
and
I
also
represent
over
2
000
sheet
metal
workers
throughout
the
state
of
nevada,
and
I
want
to
thank
vice
chair
carlton
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
This
has
obviously
been
an
ongoing
problem
in
the
state
of
nevada.
Year
after
year,
we.
O
C
O
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
is
brandon
morris
m-o-r-r-I-s,
representing
carpenters,
local
1977,
representing
six
thousand
members
in
the
state
of
our
apartment,
just
in
las
vegas
center
nevada.
We
are
definitely
in
support
of
this.
This
is
definitely
a
way
that
we
can
help
control
the
rash
of
you
know.
Labor
abuse
and
the
misclassification
helps
bring
dignity
and
value
to
the
workers
of
this
state,
and
we
are
all
for
we
are
definitely
in
favor
of
it.
We
appreciate
this
being
brought
forward
by
assemblywoman
carlton.
Thank
you.
C
R
We
support
this
bill
to
ensure
that
all
workers
in
construction
have
the
same
employment
protections
that
w-2
employees
of
a
contractor
are
afforded.
Those
protections
include
unemployment,
insurance,
future
social
security
benefits
and
workman's
comp
again.
That
is
why
we
are
in
support
of
this
bill.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
C
R
R
Good
afternoon,
madam
chairman
and
members,
my
name
is
mike
west
m-I-k-e-w-e-s-t.
I
represent
the
international
union
of
painters
and
allied
trades.
The
rampant
misclassification
of
people
as
independent
contractors
doing
the
work
of
licensed
contractors
is
a
huge
problem
in
nevada
for
the
iupat,
and
that
includes
painting
drywall
finishing
floor
covering
and
glazing.
We
stand
in
solidarity
with
the
northern
and
southern
nevada
building
trades
in
support
of
ab227
and
I'd
like
to
thank
bill
stanley
for
doing
an
excellent
job
in
representing
us
all.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair
member
of
the
committee
rusty
mcallister
r-u-s-t-y
m-c-a-l-l-I-f-c-r,
the
executive
secretary
treasurer
for
the
nevada
state
afl-cio,
representing
over
150
000
workers
here
in
the
state
of
nevada,
I'd
like
to
thank
assemblywoman
carlton
for
bringing
forth
this
bill.
It's
a
very
important
bill.
O
O
Currently
in
the
state
of
nevada.
A
large
number
of
our
workers
are
being
exploited
as
you've
heard
in
testimony
and
read
through
this
case
workers
not
being
paid,
it's
not
the
first
time
and
it
probably
won't
be
the
last
until
we
get
some
things
fixed.
So
this
will
help
get
rid
of
or
help
those
exploited
workers,
not
only
that
the
other
people.
O
O
I
hearing
the
number
of
90
million
dollars
a
year
that
the
state
of
nevada
is
essentially
leaving
on
the
table
by
allowing
this
to
continue
to
occur
is
not
a
good
practice
at
a
time
when
we're
always
looking
for
more
revenue
to
fund
important
priorities,
including
in
the
state,
including
education
leaving
90
million
dollars
on
the
table,
is
not
good
policy.
O
C
O
Again,
hello:
this
is
don
campbell
with
the
national
southern
nevada
chapter
of
the
national
electrical
contractors,
association,
otherwise
known
as
nika.
That's
d,
don
d-o-n
campbell,
c-a-m-p-b-e-l-l
nica
stands
as
a
association
of
contractors
in
support
of
this
bill
ab227
because
of
the
illegal
labor
practices
in
the
construction
industry
that
truly
do
result
in
payroll
fraud.
O
C
O
Users
of
the
construction
projects
are
at
risk
and
the
risk
of
injury
on
the
construction
job
sites
is
higher.
When
construction
workers
are
completing
tasks,
they
are
not
qualified
to
perform.
We
support
this
legislation
as
it
protects
both
contractors
and
his
or
her
employees.
Thank
you.
C
O
O
You
know
in
nevada
when
someone
is
being
paid
under
the
table
in
the
construction
industry
and
other
industries
and
there's
an
accident
which,
inevitably
there
is
you
know
that
person
then
is
paid
or
their
claim
was
paid
out
of
the
uninsured
fund,
which
every
employer
pays
into
in
the
state
of
nevada,
and
I
will
tell
you
in
the
past
there
have
been
some
horrific
accidents
that
literally
near
a
million
dollars,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
that
that
this
bill
passed
and
correct
this
problem.
Thank
you.
C
C
G
G
M-A-T-T-H-E-W-N-G-U-Y-E-N,
I'm
the
man,
business
manager
of
people
ready
in
las
vegas
people
ready,
provides
general
and
skilled,
safe
people
to
companies
in
a
wide
variety
of
industries,
including
approximately
100
workers
per
day
to
construction
contractors
in
the
state.
If
this
bill
passes
the
way
it
was
originally
written,
those
workers
will
lose
their
jobs.
A
I
believe
you're
calling
in
opposition
of
the
bill
we're
still
in
the
supportive
category,
so
we
just
want
to
help
back
in
the
queue
and
then
we
will
call
you
once
we
get
into
the
opposition
portion
of
the
bill
hearing.
Thank
you
broadcasting.
Next,
caller.
Please.
C
If
you
recently
joined
the
call
and
would
like
to
testify
in
support
of
ab27,
please
press
star
9
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
again.
We
are
currently
on
support
caller
with
the
last
three
digits
of
one
four
two,
please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You
will
have
two
minutes
and
may
begin.
O
O
C
O
Begin
yeah:
this
is
richard
daley
r-I-c-h-a-r-d-d-a-l-y,
representing
the
labor
union,
local
169
in
northern
nevada,
speaking
in
support
of
sb
to
av.
Excuse
me
ab227
and
for
the
reasons
that
were
stated
by
mr
stanley
and
others,
and
I
work
with
him
on
some
of
this
language
to
try
to
make
sure
we
address
the
issue
that
came
out
of
the
court
case
regarding
the
contractor's
board
and
their
jurisdiction.
O
So
I
think
this
is
an
important
step
in
the
right
direction
to
remedy
that
particular
situation,
and
there
seemed
to
be
some,
hopefully
can
clear
up
some
questions
that
the
committee
had
regarding
what
is
and
isn't
covered.
There
are
a
variety
of
scopes
of
work
that
the
contractor's
board
requires
a
contractor
to
have
a
contractor's
license
in
order
to
perform.
O
There
are
other
scopes
of
work
that
are
commonly
performed
on
construction
sites,
at
least
some
of
them
and
don't
require
a
contractor's
license.
So
that's
the
bifurcation
there.
The
work
that
mr
o'neill
spoke
about
as
a
hot
carrier
that
hod
carrier
servicing
a
bricklayer
that
is
work
that
would
be
covered
and
required
a
contractor's
license
in
order
for
that
person
to
perform.
Other
types
of
work,
for
instance,
flagging
not
covered
they're,
not
really
building
anything
they're
commonly
on
construction
jobs,
but
it
doesn't
require
a
contractor's
license
to
perform
that
work.
O
C
K
With
the
northern
nevada
building
trades,
we
believe
this
legislation
will
help
the
contractor's
board
enforce
the
contracting
laws
in
nevada.
The
way
they
should
be
enforced
too
many
contracts
too
many
construction
workers
in
nevada
are
taken
advantage
of
this
bill
would
help
prevent
that
kind
of
abuse.
We
are
in
support
of
ab227.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
for
your
testimony
broadcasting
next
caller.
C
O
A
C
C
K
Private
employment
agencies
are
members
of
asa.
They
provide
temporary
labor
in
a
variety
of
industries
throughout
the
state
there's
around
30
000
nevadans,
who
work
for
peas
and
industrial
contacts,
commercial
contacts
and
construction
contacts.
It's
important
to
note
that
a
pea
is
a
licensed
and
regulated
entity
in
the
state
of
nevada.
They
are
licensed
and
regulated
by
the
labor.
Commissioner.
The
employees
of
the
pea
are
w-2
employees.
K
The
workers
comp
is
paid
on
them,
ui
is
paid,
mbt
gets
paid,
income
taxes
are
withheld,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that,
because
one
of
the
stated
and
really
the
stated
purpose
for
this
bill
is
to
avoid
cash
under
the
table
or
independent
contractor
type
situations.
That
is
not
the
type
of
situation
you
will
see
with
a
pea.
For
all
the
reasons
that
I
just
set
forth.
K
There
are
thousands
of
pea
employees
nevadans
who
work
in
construction,
both
skilled
and
unskilled.
That
has
been
a
long-standing
practice
in
the
state
of
nevada.
That's
recognized
in
the
court
case.
That's
been
mentioned
and
it's
a
very
common
practice
between
contractors
and
peas,
particularly
with
respect
to
smaller
contractors
who
need
labor,
maybe
on
a
more
fluctuating
basis,
and
certainly
it
allows
them
to
do
what
they.
What
they're
here
to
do,
which
is
to
build,
build
things
and
not
to
spend
their
time
recruiting
and
dealing
with
administrative
pieces.
K
That's
what
the
the
peas
do,
there's
a
there's,
an
easy
fix
that
we
have
submitted
on
this
to
the
record.
There's
a
rep
it's
on
nellis
and
it's
a
simple
amendment.
It
will
not
change
any
of
the
big
issues
on
this
bill
with
respect
to
stopping
the
cash
under
the
table
type
of
employees,
but
what
it
will
do
is
allow
a
pea
to
provide
both
skilled
and
unskilled,
just
as
they
can
today
and
maintain
that
jurisdiction
and
control
of
the
labor
commissioner
over
these
practices.
K
I
do
want
to
note
a
few
comments
that
were
made
earlier.
The
case
that
was
referenced
just
to
be
clear
on
that.
That
was
not
a
pea
case.
That
was
the
case
with
a
nevada
contractor
who
needed
some
additional
workers
and
hired
a
crew
out
of
texas.
In
order
to
do
that
work.
It
was
specifically
noted
in
that
case
that
that
texas
crew
was
not
a
pea,
and
that
was
one
of
the
big
problems
in
the
case
and
why
it
led
to
this
problem
and
led
to
this
bill.
K
I
just
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that,
because
had
that
nevada
contractor
done
what
he
should
have
done
and
utilized
a
licensed
and
regulated
nevada
pea
there
wouldn't
have
been
an
issue
in
that
case
and
he
wouldn't
have
had
a
problem
and
he
wouldn't
have
ended
up
having
to
be
subjected
to
jurisdiction
and
discipline
and
fines
and
everything
else
that
he
paid.
I
also
want
to
note
for
the
committee's
reference
with
dr
wadaps's
presentation.
He
noted
three
categories
of
misclassification.
K
K
If
that
defective
work
is
done
and
it
is
their
license,
that
is
on
the
line
and
that's
the
important
protection
that's
provided
by
the
contractors
board.
So
again
in
concluding
remarks.
We
would
urge
this
committee
to
take
a
look
at
our
amendment
and
accept
it.
It
will
accomplish
all
the
goals
of
this
bill
with
respect
to
misclassification.
K
A
Thank
you
for
your
testimony,
mr
hicks
broadcasting.
Madam.
E
E
If
you
include
this
amendment
I'll
support
the
bill,
there
has
not
been
a
conversation
about
this
yet
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
perfectly
clear
with
the
members
of
the
community
that
I
did
not
propose
this,
and
I
have
not
spoken
with
folks
about
the
amendment
and
if
I
may
ask
mr
hicks
a
quick
question,
please
yes
vice
chair,
please
thank
you,
and
so
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
because
it's
it's
been
stated
that
those
on
the
job
site
are
not
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
contractor's
board.
E
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
for
the
committee,
I
thought
it
would
be
good,
but
that's
okay,
I'll
take
it
up
with
whoever
later
on.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you
vice
chair
and
thank
you
for
clarifying
about
the
amendment
as
well.
I
appreciate
that
broadcasting.
Can
we
go
to
the
next
caller
in
opposition.
C
R
Alrighty,
thank
you
good
afternoon,
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
johnny
scaronic
and
I've
been
operating
staffing
companies
in
nevada
for
the
last
17
years,
we're
based
out
of
reno.
My
company
is
called
square
one
solutions
and
we
have
been
opera
in
operation
as
square
one
solutions
for
11
years.
We
are
family,
owned
and
operated.
My
mom
is
the
owner,
and
I
work
with
my
two
brothers.
We
focus
on
construction,
staffing
and
we
are
a.
R
Contractors
should
not
be
prohibited
from
using
private
employment
agencies
to
augment
their
skilled
or
unskilled
workforce.
Every
industry
in
nevada,
including
the
state
of
nevada
offices,
use
a
variety
of
temporary
employees
on
the
payroll
of
private
employment
agencies.
In
some
capacity
it
is
a
legitimate,
licensed
and
insured
form
of
employment
and
would
be
unfair
to
allow
contractors
to
utilize
this
hiring
tool.
R
Many
of
our
clients
are
smaller
operations
where
the
owner
works
in
the
field
doesn't
have
time
or
the
skills
to
recruit
and
hire
volumes
of
new
employees,
especially
if
it's
only
needed
for
temporary
skilled
help.
Private
employment
agencies
give
them
an
opportunity
to
locate
and
try
out
employees
before
committing
to
permanent
hire.
It
allows
them
to
quickly
augment
staff
or
reduce
staff
based
on
project
needs.
The
workers
we
provide
to
our
clients
must
be
supervised
from
the
standpoint
of
direction
of
work,
quality
of
work
and
safety.
R
Our
workers
do
not
work
independently,
but
rather
under
the
contractor's
license
under
their
direction
and
alongside
their
crew
performing
operations
that
the
contractor
is
licensed
to
perform.
Contractors
are
already
held
responsible
for
the
work
performed
by
employees
of
a
private
employment
agency.
They
act
as
and
are
considered
an
employee
of
the
contractor.
They
do
not
perform
work
independent
of
the
contractor's
operations,
while
not
technically
on
the
contractor's
payroll.
The
workers
we
send
to
contractors
as
peas
are
paid
market
wages
covered
by
workers,
compensation
and
general
liability
insurance.
R
I
would
be
in
favor
if,
like
josh
said,
the
previous
opposition,
if
the
changes
were
made
that
he
had
suggested.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
G
Maybe
good
afternoon
again
sorry
about
the
confusion
earlier.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
about
this
deal.
My
name
is
matthew
nguyen.
G
M-A-T-T-H-E-W-N-G-U-Y-E-N,
I
am
the
business
manager
of
people
ready
in
las
vegas
people
ready
to
provide
general
and
skills
trade
people
to
companies
in
wide
variety
of
industries,
including
100
workers
per
day
to
construction
contractors
in
the
state.
If
this
bill
passes
the
way
it
was
originally
written,
those
workers
will
lose
their
jobs.
G
The
people
who
work
with
people
are
w2
employees,
legal
and
we
provide
workers.
Comp
pay
their
taxes,
we
make
sure
they
pay
their
garnishes
when
we
assign
them
to
work
for
a
construction
contractor,
regardless
of
the
skill
level,
they
work
under
the
direction
and
control
of
a
licensed
contractor
and
the
work
is
within
the
scope
of
the
contractor's
license.
G
The
only
difference
is
that
we
find
hire
and
assign
the
employees
for
business
whose
core
competency
is
building
some
of
our
clients,
especially
small
construction
firms
and
those
in
small
and
rural
communities.
Don't
have
full
hr
or
recruiting
departments.
Our
core
is
to
find
the
right
worker
for
the
right
job
at
the
right
time.
G
Our
associates
choose
to
work
for
us
because
we
do
work
of
finding
jobs
that
matter
skills.
Otherwise,
while
working
during
the
day,
they
will
be
looking
for
the
next
gig
at
night
and
on
the
weekends
many
of
our
employees
have
worked
for
us
for
years,
because
they
prefer
the
flexibility,
variety
and
dependability.
G
G
We
simply
do
not
understand
why
you
would
want
these
workers
to
lose
their
jobs
and
make
it
harder
for
construction
contractors
to
maintain
access
to
the
flexibility
that
allows
them
to
complete
the
projects
with
the
right
workforce
and
stay
on
budget
and
on
time.
Please
preserve
these
jobs,
for
the
people
who
most
need
help
finding
jobs
and
reject
his
bill
or
amend,
is
to
allow
employees
assigned
by
private
employment
agencies
to
work
under
the
direction
and
supervision
and
properly
licensed
contractors.
C
C
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
linda
alvarez,
and
I
am
a
staffing
coordinator
for
eastridge
construction
division.
I
am
deeply
concerned
about
ab227
a
bill
that
would
take
me
from
providing
nevadans
the
opportunity
of
working
in
the
construction
industry.
Passing
this
bill
will
deeply
affect
the
community.
We
assist
in
getting
the
opportunity
to
work
with
companies
that
can
eventually
provide
permanent
placement.
C
While
our
employees
are
employed
with
us,
they
are
receiving
benefits.
We
are
able
to
contin
continuously,
keep
them
busy
and
provide
them
with
full-time
employment.
This
means
fewer
people
on
unemployment
and
more
people
working
which
is
the
ultimate
goal,
especially
with
the
unemployment
issues
we
have
recently
seen
in
nevada.
C
This
will
not
only
affect
the
community,
but
my
family.
That
depends
on
me
to
continuously
work
for
the
construction
division.
This
will
affect
my
position
and
I
would
be
deeply
saddened
if
I'm
not
able
to
continue
to
help
my
community
with
construction
job
placements
and
to
continue
to
provide
for
my
family.
Thank
you.
That
concludes
my
testimony.
C
G
Begin
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
victor
aldana,
v-I-c-t-o-r
a-l-d-a-n-a,
and
I
am
speaking
on
behalf
of
east
ridge,
workforce
solutions,
and
I
am
speaking
in
opposition
to
ab227
a
bill
that
would
rob
nevadans
of
opportunities
to
work.
Eastridge
has
been
working
in
nevada
since
1974,
and
in
the
last
three
years
we
have
put
1990
local
nevadans,
all
of
whom
receive
a
w-2
to
work
in
the
construction
industry.
Passage
of
this
bill
would
have
prevented
a
large
number
of
these
hard-working
people
from
earning
paychecks.
G
Additionally,
many
of
them
have
earned
high-paying
permanent
positions
at
these
companies
due
to
the
collaboration
between
licensed
contractors
and
peas,
like
eastern
workforce
solutions
and
as
an
employee-owned
pea
or
in
esop.
Our
workers
are
able
to
attain
ownership
in
our
organization
and
have
access
to
medical
insurance,
fsa
and
hsa
programs
401k
and
a
host
of
other
benefits.
They
additionally
benefit
from
the
peas
advocacy
of
employees
in
ensuring
they
are
receiving
top
of
market
pay,
a
safe
work
site
and
workers.
G
Compactors
passage
of
this
bill
during
this
critical
period
of
economic
recovery
and
an
affordable
housing
shortage
in
nevada
would
not
only
put
people
out
of
work
and
deprive
them
of
opportunities,
but
would
also
severely
adversely
impact
an
industry
that
has
seen
its
fair
share
of
struggles
in
nevada.
Additionally,
nevada
had
suffered
from
a
skilled
workforce
shortage
for
many
years,
and
this
would
only
exacerbate
this
issue
and,
as
the
industry
continues
to
grow
and
provide
opportunities
for
good,
hard-working
people
continues
to
reach
out
to
young
nevadas.
G
C
H
Unmute,
okay,
my
name
is
mac
bybee
m-a-c-b-y-b-e-e.
I
am
the
president
and
ceo
of
the
associated
builders
and
contractors
of
nevada.
I
rise
in
opposition
to
this
bill.
I've
had
a
number
of
conversations
with
bill
stanley
and
I
and
I
believe
him
and
I
have
a
common
goal
in
that
we
don't
want
to
see
employees
mistreated.
We
don't
want
to
see
workers
go
unpaid,
we
don't
want
to
see
unsafe
workplaces
and
I
believe
we
share
a
common
goal.
H
However,
when
I,
when
I
read
this
bill,
I
see
that
it's
it's
targeting
private
employment
agencies
and-
and
I
don't
know
if
it
really
resolves
the
issue
that
that's
being
discussed
now-
private
employment,
employment
agencies-
they
simply,
they
basically
work
as
the
employer
they
have.
They
filed
the
workers
file
at
w-4.
H
They
wp2,
they
got
workers
comp
everything
everybody
has
said
before,
so
they
they
work
as
the
primary
employer
until
such
time
that
maybe
a
contractor
picks
up
that
craft
professional
to
to
for
full-time
employment
or
if
the
individual
chooses
they,
they
stick
with
that
private
employment
agency,
because
they
prefer
the
flexibility
requiring
a
w-4
to
file
a
w4
with
the
contractor
changes,
the
relationship
that
the
employee
has
making
that
contractor
the
full-time
employee,
so
that
individual
no
longer
has
that
opportunity
to
be
with
the
private
employment
agency
if
they
so
choose.
H
A
A
C
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
alexis
motorex
a-l-e-x-I-s
m,
with
the
nevada
chapter
associated
general
contractors
representing
the
commercial
construction
industry
in
northern
nevada.
We
are
neutral
on
this
bill
as
introduced.
I
would
like
to
thank
mr
stanley
for
working
with
us
during
the
interim
on
language
and
addressing
most
of
our
concerns
as
it
was
being
drafted.
A
Okay,
I
believe
we
also
have
miss
marky
green
with
us
from
the
contractor's
board.
She
was
on
video
in
case
anybody
had
any
questions
for
her,
but
ms
screen
are
you
here
to
testify
in
a
neutral
position?
Yes,
I
am
please
when
you're
ready
thank.
C
You
good
afternoon,
chair
hodagi
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
margie
green.
I'm,
the
executive
officer
of
the
nevada
state
contractors
board.
Although
I've
signed
in
as
neutral,
I
would
like
to
let
you
know
that
the
board
supports
the
concept
of
ab227.
C
The
board
has
worked
with
the
sponsors
to
ensure
that
work
requiring
a
contractor's
license
will
only
be
done
by
a
licensee
or
their
employee.
The
board's,
long-standing
interpretation
and
application
of
all
of
nrs
chapter
6-4
has
been
that
when
the
legislature
uses
the
word
employee
throughout,
it
truly
means
an
employee
of
the
contractor
w-2.
C
We
have
not
recognized
1099
independent
contractors
as
employees,
likewise
least,
workers
who
are
somebody
else's
w-2,
employee
or
worse,
yet
somebody
else's
independent
contractor
are
not
employees
of
the
contractor.
They've
had
several
recent
cases
where
a
contractor
has
used
the
device
of
a
leased
labor
company
to
compete
unfairly.
They
can
undercut
a
contractor
who
actually
employs
its
own
workers
and
where
the
least
employees
were
ultimately
left
stranded
in
nevada
without
being
paid
by
the
labor
leasing
company.
C
The
quality
of
an
employee
is
best
assured
to
the
public
when
the
contractor
has
an
inviting
investment
in
the
people
it
hires
to
answer
vice
chair
carlton's
question
regarding,
if
the
board
has
oversight
of
the
employees
of
the
pea,
the
answer
is
no
pea.
Employees
are
not
licensed,
and
this
proposed
amendment
allows
unlicensed
people
to
work
on
a
job
site
next
to
skilled
labor.
A
Thank
you
so
much
miss
green
and
thank
you
for
answering
vicente
carlton's
question.
We
appreciate
that
you
noted
that
from
earlier
mom
testimony
broadcasting
no
more
colors
in
neutral,
you
said
so
we
can
now
move
to
our
closing
remarks
vice
chair
carlton.
Would
you
like
to
give
any
final
remarks.
E
E
The
issue
is
protecting
the
workers
on
the
job
site,
making
sure
that
they
have
all
the
do
protections
that
they
need.
I
believe,
miss
green,
summed
it
up
very
well.
If
something
happened
on
a
job
site,
those
folks
in
a
pea
would
not
have
those
protections,
and
that
is
our
goal
for
the
folks
that
were
in
opposition.
E
That
spoke
about
robbing
nevadans
of
work,
taking
jobs
away
any
of
those
folks
if
they
knew
who
I
was
or
googled
me
at
all,
would
know
that
there
was
no
way
I
would
ever
bring
a
bill
that
I
thought
would
ever
hurt
nevada
workers
from
getting
a
good
paying
job,
having
health
care,
making
sure
they're
protected
at
work.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
perfectly
clear
that
I
believe
there
is
a
solution
to
this
if
those
employees
were
w-2
employees,
if
that
agency
moved
folks
over
to
that
contractor.
E
As
an
employee,
we
would
have
the
public
safety
components
that
we
all
want
on
the
job
site
to
make
sure
that
everyone
is
held
accountable
for
their
own
responsibilities
on
the
job
site.
So
I'd
like
to
thank
those
that
that
have
worked
over
the
last
couple
years
with
all
the
interested
parties
on
this
bill,
they
will
continue
to
work.
I
will
stay
out
of
their
way
so
that
they
can
get
the
job
done,
and
thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair,
for
hearing
the
bill
today.
A
A
I
will
now
open
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
three
three:
zero,
which
establishes
provisions
governing
occupational
training
and
licensing.
We
have
assembly
member
allison
here
with
us
this
afternoon
to
present
the
bill,
welcome
to
the
assembly
committee
on
commerce
and
labor,
mr
ellison,
when
you
are
ready,
you
and
your
presenters
can
begin.
Thank
you
for
joining.
S
S
The
measure
provides
that
a
person
who
receives
certificate,
training
or
technical
training
in
high
school
or
post-secondary
institution
is
eligible
to
receive
equivalent
credit
towards
an
occupational
license
related
to
training
as
he
or
she
receives
for
the
record.
Madam,
my
grandson
got
into
this
in
in
idaho
this
last
year
or
the
last
few
years,
but
before
he
even
graduates
he
is
actually
an
emt
and
could
go
into
ambulances
fully
certified
got
his
certificates
and
actually
he
gonna
go
as
a
med
back
in
the
flight.
S
That's
that's
pretty
neat
and
I,
I
think
that's
kind
of
something
I
want
to
see
here
also
when
this
box
was
brought
forward
to
me.
I
thought
this
is
the
greatest
thing
in
the
world
that
they're
doing
it
now
they're
doing
it
across
the
state,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
is
give
you
some
information.
We
could
go
forward
on
this,
but
three,
three
335
330
provides
a
work
based
learning
opportunities
and
career
path,
pathway
to
students
and
young
adults
to
remove
occupational
license
barriers.
S
Occupational
license
required
a
work
to
hold
a
credential
in
an
operation.
A
certain
occupation
to
receive
the
occupational
license.
Application
must
meet
certain
criteria,
criterias
for
the
form
of
educational
training
and
fees
and
testing
nevada
requires
over
50
of
nevada,
regulates
over
50
occupationals
and
mostly
contains
title
54
nevada,
revised
statute
nrs.
S
The
board
of
the
commissioners
are
responsible.
Protecting
the
health
and
the
safety
of
the
commission,
the
consumer,
to
ensure
high
level
of
service,
yet
licensed
regulations
can
create
unique
barriers
and
change
for
people
charge
challenges
for
people
who
are
entering
into
the
labor
market,
especially
those
people
with
higher
high
school
diplomas,
but
less
than
bachelor
degrees.
S
Nevada
has
to
help
students
prepare
for
careers
opportunities
may
of
which
in
the
certificates
or
license
to
careers
at
technology,
education,
t-c-e-e-t
c-t-e
program
which
are
offered
in
by
high
school
in
pro
institutes
and
madame
sorry,
I'm
trying
to
read
as
fast
as
I
can
for
you
guys,
because
I
know
you're
tired
those
programs
supply
skills,
even
every
in
I'm
sorry,
skilled,
entry-level
workers
for
a
local
community,
as
well
as
the
state
as
a
whole,
while
some
boards
already
recognize
training
provided
in
the
post
secondary
institute
in
high
school.
S
The
propose
of
this
bill
is
to
formalize
and
require
recognition
recognition
for
the
skills
of
students.
While
preparing
for
this
program,
the
dubai
department
of
education
reported
during
2019
and
in
2020
school
year,
69
213
students,
roughly
14
percent,
were
enrolled
in
this
cte
program,
students
can
obtain
a
college
or
career
ready,
ccr
high
school
diploma
with
a
career
ready
endorsement,
which
demonstrates
proficiency
of
the
career
readiness
assessment
to
obtain
the
ctc
skills
amendment
certificate,
industry,
recognized
credentials.
S
During
the
2019
and
2020
academy
year,
the
nevada
system,
higher
education
two-year
institute
confirmed
roughly
38
000
skilled
certificates
and
certificates
achieved
those
in
installments,
including
the
the
college
of
southern
nevada.
Great
basin
college
truckee,
meadow
community
college
in
western
nevada
college
in
about
ab-330,
would
have
a
positive
effect
on
those
rural
areas
of
the
state.
S
The
national
center
of
education
statistics
aboard
the
2013
students
from
rural
towns
earned
more
than
cte
credits
in
the
city
and
suburbs
counterparts
as
the
popul
as
the
population
ages,
steel
jobs
are
increasing,
going
unfilled
in
these
areas
of
our
state
when
high
school
students
graduate
they
leave
the
area
and
attend
pro
second
dairy
institutes
to
fulfill
the
education
requirement
to
obtain
a
license.
Many
with
cte
equivalent
credits.
S
S
S
I
just
got
a
text
just
now
from
the
nevada,
auto
association
called
and
support.
They
could
not
stay
on
the
line
much
longer
so
they
had
to
leave,
but
they
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
the
that
the
dealers
association
are
full
support
of
this
bill.
I
wish
he
could
have
talked
on
andy
mccabe,
but
he
couldn't.
S
But
madam
chair
I'd
like
to
turn
this
over
to
mr
malen,
who
provides
some
of
the
comments,
the
committee
following
the
presentation
he
will
be
available
to
answer
any
question.
S
Madam
sharon
charlie.
I
tried
to
rush
through
it
so
fast
for
you.
I
screwed
up
on
a
lot
of
it,
but
I
can
tell
you
we're
working
with
also
with
the
deputy
superintendent
of
education,
a
family
engagement,
nevada
department
of
education
and
to
make
sure
that
everybody's
online
and
that
we
can
make
the
same
work
and
if
you
look,
we
send
over
a
copy
of
the
different
colleges,
the
skills
certificates
and
their
achievements.
S
And
if
you
look
that
on
the
colleges
here,
that's
got
these
programs
and
how
many
is
passed
through
here.
It's
it's
amazing.
It's
some
of
the
credits
from
engineering
to
auto
repairs,
to
technicians,
to
nursing
programs
to
construction
trades,
which
you
were
just
talking
about.
Mechanics
and
repairs,
prescription
productions,
a
computer.
S
I
mean
it
goes
on
and
on
and
on
of
what
these
kids
can
do
in
high
school
to
help
further
their
education
and
get
a
jump
start
on
it
and
that's
what
we
need
and
a
lot
of
these
people
can't
afford
some
of
these,
so
their
high
school
allow
them
to
do
the
college
credits
as
they
go.
So,
if
I
may,
madam,
I
would
like
to
turn
this
over
and
the
presenter
and
mr
mayland
can
move
from
there.
S
Ma'am
I
did
and
you'll
see,
there's
a
couple
pages
here
that
I
mean
it's
pretty
small.
If
you
look
at
it's
all
the
colleges
in
in
in
nevada,
it's
great
basin
college,
csun,
tmcc
and
wnc,
and
we
sent
that
over.
You
want
me
to
resend
it
again.
A
No,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
it's
there
it's
on
nellis
and
we
received
the
email
too.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
was
looking
at
the
same
document.
You
were
referencing,
so
thank
you
assembly,
member
ellison,
and
I
believe
we
have
mr
mellon
here
with
us
today
to
continue
the
presentation,
mr
mellon,
when
you're
ready.
Yes,
can
you
hear
me,
madam
chair?
Yes,.
T
We
can
thank
you
cheer,
haruki
and
members
of
the
assembly
committee
and
commerce
and
labor
for
the
record.
My
name
is
elliott
malin
and
I'm
here
to
present
ab330
alongside
assemblyman
ellison,
a
piece
of
legislation
that
continues
on
the
path
of
work
that
the
legislature
has
taken
over
the
past
few
sessions
to
reform
our
regulatory
licensing
agencies.
T
T
I
am
not
here
today
on
behalf
of
any
client,
but
rather
because
I
have
had
a
passion
for
regulatory
reforms
that
can
improve
the
lives
of
nevadans
and
the
opportunity
that
nevadans
have
each
and
every
day.
I
am
aware
of
the
unique
privilege
I
have
working
within
the
legislature.
Many
nevadans
are
not
as
fortunate
to
have
this
opportunity
and
I
like
to
do
what
I
can
to
help
others
get
ahead.
T
It
has
been
no
secret
over
the
last
few
years
that
I
have
a
passion
for
these
reforms.
Last
session,
I
was
honored
to
work
with
assembly,
women
tolls
on
ab319
a
bill
that
had
bipartisan
and
bicameral
sponsorship
that
passed
unanimously
and,
in
my
mind,
has
been
a
highlight
of
my
career
and
has
already
helped
countless
nevadans.
T
After
the
session,
we
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
truckee
meadows,
community
college,
tmcc,
faculty
and
students
about
the
legislation
and
listening
to
the
stories
of
those
this
would
have
helped
and
listening
to
those
students
was
a
remarkable
experience
that
I
will
never
forget.
I
believe
that
ab-330
is
a
natural
progression
of
that
legislation.
From
last
session
about
one-quarter
of
americans
25
require
license
to
work
per
study
at
the
national
conference
of
state
legislatures
and
csl
education.
T
Requirements
for
licensure
can
be
extremely
expensive
and
cost
prohibitive,
especially
for
those
that
come
from
lower
income,
socio-economic
situations,
a
study
by
the
national
conference
of
state
legislatures
also
says
occupational
licensing
requirements,
including
the
need
to
pass
exams
intending
continuing
education
and
pay
licensing.
Renewal
fees
presents
significant
barriers
to
entering
a
licensed
occupation
and
can
reduce
the
total
employment
in
that
profession.
T
In
a
presentation
given
by
the
university
of
minnesota,
professor
morris
kleiner
and
a
webinar
hosted
by
arizona
state
university,
professor
kleiner
quote
found
that
in
some
cases,
occupational
licensing
was
actually
a
barrier
to
employment
because
of
the
cost
associated
with
required
exams
or
education.
End
quote
by
allowing
nevadans
to
apply
their
secondary
either
secondary
post-secondary
equivalent
education
would
save
them
not
only
money
but
valuable
time
that
would
allow
them
quicker
and
more
direct
access
to
the
licensure
and
thus
an
opportunity
to
get
to
work
in
a
high-paying
career.
T
These
programs
will
allow
nevada
students
to
save
time
and
money
by
allowing
them
to
apply
their
existing
and
relevant
education
background
to
equivalent
standards
set
forth
by
the
regulatory
agencies
and
nevada,
revised
statutes.
Title
54,
while
the
intent
of
occupational
licensure
is
to
protect
the
public
with
public
safety
and
public
health
measures
and
protect
consumers.
We
also
have
to
ensure
that
the
barriers
that
people
face
to
get
in
the
workforce
is
not
detrimental
to
them
too.
T
This
legislation
would
work
hand
in
hand
to
keep
the
public
safe
educational
standards
uniform
and
to
help
people
get
in
the
workforce
earn
a
higher
wage
while
not
which
will
not
only
benefit
them,
but
the
state's
economic,
health
and
well-being
too.
What
this
legislation
does
not
do
create
a
system
of
inferior
education
requirements
for
those
seeking
licensure
to
obtain
a
license,
a
less
stringent
path
that
would
put
at
risk
nevadan's,
health
and
safety.
Instead,
it
allows
for
uniform
standards
that
exist
within
education,
allow
nevadans
an
opportunity
to
get
ahead.
T
A
few
years
ago,
I
sat
in
this
committee
and
asked
you
to
give
nevadans
the
opportunity
to
do
just
that,
and
you
answered
the
call.
I
asked
you
to
do
the
same
today
and
urge
the
passage
of
ab330.
Lastly,
I
want
to
make
clear
that
we
want
to
work
with
all
stakeholders
to
make
this
bill
great.
The
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
create
duplicated
efforts
or
confusion.
T
The
intent
of
this
bill
is
to
get
young
adults
into
good,
paying
jobs
faster.
I
appreciate
assemblyman
ellison
for
bringing
this
bill
forward
and
working
to
help
nevadans
get
ahead.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
I
might
be
able
to
and
that
I'm
equipped
to
answer.
Thank
you.
A
Q
Thank
you,
chairwoman
and
thank
you
assemblyman
ellison
and
mr
maylin
for
that
presentation.
As
I
was
reading
this
bill,
I
noticed
that
it
says
post-secondary
education.
It
includes
title
34,
but
it
seems
like
what
you're
talking
about
are
just
nc
institutions,
whereas
title
34
also
covers
private
post-secondary
institutions,
including
a
lot
that
you
know.
Will
you
know
that
train
people
or
get
people
ready
for
occupational
certificates
or
programs,
or
you
know,
employment
in
the
future?
Q
So
my
question
is:
does
this
also
include
or
encompass
post-secondary
institutions,
and
if
so,
have
you
been
working
with
the
commission
on
post-secondary
education,
or
is
this
specifically
just
for
nc
institutions.
T
Through
you,
chair
to
the
assembly
member
contadong,
our
intent
is
to
bring
everybody
into
the
the
tent
here
and
to
the
table.
So
if
we
have
to
make
an
amendment
or
do
anything
to
get
this
to
advance
and
we
will
work,
we
are
working
with
everybody
we
can
at
this
point
in
time.
We
have
done
some
outreach
and
we're
waiting
for
some
information
back,
but
our
intent
is
to
include
as
many
stakeholders
as
possible,
including
some
of
the
private
institutions.
S
Sorry
ma'am,
I
lost
my
feed,
but
I
could
hear
you
and
that's
the
whole
intent
is,
is
to
make
this
across
the
whole
state
in
every
every
high
school,
no
matter
where
it
is,
and
if
you
notice,
when
they're
doing
the
the
cosmetology
down
in
las
vegas,
some
kids
were
coming
out
of
school,
ready
to
go
to
work,
and-
and
I
thought
that
was
the
greatest
thing
in
the
world-
is
they
were
working
so
hard
to
get
to
their
second
education
or
what
they
wanted
and
it
saved
the
families
a
lot
of
money.
C
Much
chief,
I
guess
this
probably
is
for
assemblyman
ellison,
but
I
wonder
if.
E
To
the
city,
would
they
be
able
to
achieve
these
goals.
S
Actually,
like
my
granddaughter,
for
instance,
she
was
taking
multiple
classes
at
in
high
school
for
last
two
to
three
years
and
taking
college
courses
at
the
time,
and
of
course
you
know
they
change
your
mind
all
the
time
what
they
want
to
do,
but
what's
good
about
it,
it
challenges
them
and
it
could
be
done
anywhere
and
I,
I
think,
washoe's
doing
the
same
thing
right
now
we're
going
to
be
meeting
with
them.
S
They
were
going
to
be
here
today
to
talk
in
neutral,
but
they
were
in
education
at
the
time.
But
this
is
something
that
if
you
look
on
this
list
of
the
positions
they
can
do
and
get
their
training
and
when
they
get
out,
they
might
have
to
take
a
year
of
community
college
or
college
or
whatever
so
it.
S
This
is
something
good
for
any
school
every
school
around
the
state,
and
I
know
that
vegas
has
got
quite
a
bit
in
the
community
college
down
there,
because
it's
right
there
by
campus,
so
it
seemed
to
be
a
little
bit
everywhere.
So
but
we
know
that
we're
tracking
what's
happening
in
in
the
community
colleges
because
that's
where
we're
living,
but
it
should
be
everywhere.
S
And
madam
sheriff,
I
can
my
son-in-law
future
son-in-law.
Just
finished
yoko
high
school
was
taking
the
credits
and
courses
at
the
community
college
and
now
he's
already
been
accepted
to
go
into
engineering
under
a
nuclear
sub.
So
I
mean
this
opens
a
door
for
these
guys
where
they're
not
in
school
for
four
years
or
two
years
or
can't
afford
it,
they
can
come
out,
take
they.
They
already
got
college
credit
and
then
go
right
into
whatever
career.
They
want
it
with
secondary
education.
A
C
R
R
As
we
all
know,
the
economy
is
continually
requiring
workers
who
are
highly
skilled
in
multiple
facets
of
their
occupations.
We
believe
that
this
legislation
works
to
ensure
workers
are
recognized
for
their
efforts
to
increase
their
skill,
and
we
agree
with
the
streamlining
purpose
of
this
bill
to
ensure
any
credits
toward
another
related
certification
are
also
given.
R
C
C
R
O
And
northern
nevada
chapter
of
the
national
associate
national
electrical
contractors,
association
or
nica,
we
are
in
neutral
because
we
want
to
continue
our
discussion
with
mr
ellison's
staff
to
explore
ways
how
registered
apprenticeship
programs
can
be
included
in
this
very
important
program,
whether
it's
under
title,
34
or
other,
as
was
mentioned
about
construction
trades
registered
apprenticeships,
play
a
valuable,
valuable
role
in
teaching
careers
and
preparing
people
for
careers
and
not
just
the
job,
so
we'll
remain
neutral
as
we
continue
our
discussions.
Thank
you.
C
S
Yes,
ma'am,
madam
chairman,
and
I
really
appreciate
that
you're
hearing
this
bill
and
I'm
sorry,
I
tried
to
pass
through
it
so
quick
but
mr
krueger's
right,
we
do
have
electrical
program
at
great
basin
college
down
there,
and
these
jobs
are
filled
before
they
get
halfway
through,
and
I
I'm
so
happy
that
they're
doing
this
as
one
of
the
best
education
programs
we
have
in
ilco,
I
think,
but
if
you
look
on
on
section
4
on
the
bottom,
it
said
that
each
regulatory
body,
in
coordination
with
the
state
board
of
education-
I
think
that's
so
important-
they
could
pick
up
how
they
want
to
regulate
and
how
they
want
to
do.
S
You
know
the
credits
and
stuff
like
this,
but
I
think
it's
an
important
program
mostly
for
these.
Some
of
these
young
people
out
in
that
might
not
ever
get
a
chance
to
go
to
college
they.
They
can
go
right
to
high
school
and
be
working
on
this
and
they
can
move
in
and
then
get
start
their
career.
So
I
thank
you
so
much
and
I
really
appreciate
you
hearing
this
deal.
A
Thank
you,
mr
allison,
and
I'm
sorry.
If
I
made
you
feel
rushed,
we
owe
every
bill
we're
hearing
equal
consideration
and
time
into
detention.
So
I
apologize
you.
A
Will
we
give
those
listening
or
watching
over
the
internet
time
to
call
in
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
a
quick
housekeeping
for
public
comment,
and
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
that
public
comment
is
a
time
to
discuss
matters
that
fall
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
commerce
and
labor
committee
or
the
purview
of
the
commerce
and
labor
committee,
and
we
don't
take
testimony
on
bills
that
we
have
heard,
because
we
need
to
keep
a
record,
and
so
we
open
and
close
hearings
on
bills
to
establish
a
record
of
the
testimony
on
a
bill.
A
I
will
remind
you
that
public
comment
may
be
limited
to
two
minutes.
Please
address
your
remarks
to
issues
that
fall
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
committee.
If
you
direct
your
remarks
to
issues
which
are
outside
of
this
committee's
oversight,
I
will
have
you
redirect
your
comments
or
terminate
them.
I
require
everyone
to
be
respectful
of
committee
members
and
other
witnesses,
and
I
do
not
allow
testimony
provided
by
others.
Comment
on
testimony
provided
by
other
speakers
or
personal
attacks,
you
may
always
submit
written
remarks
for
inclusion
in
the
meeting
record
with
that
broadcasting.
A
Thank
you
broadcasting
and
thank
you
members.
I
know
that
was
a
long
hearing.
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
that
we
will
be
meeting
on
wednesday.
The
start
time
again
will
be
1
p.m
or
upon
the
adjournment
of
1
p.m,
or
floor
goes
after
1
pm
upon
the
adjournment
of
floor
I'm
so
I
will
see
you
wednesday
at
1pm,
and
that
concludes
our
meeting
for.