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A
A
Please
mark
any
members
who
aren't
present
present
thrive,
welcome
to
the
audience
to
over
the
internet
and
before
we
get
started
with
our
short
agenda
today,
I
would
like
to
go
over
some
short
housekeeping
measures.
A
A
I
would
like
to
remind
presenters
and
committee
members
that
the
zoom
chat
is
strictly
reserved
for
business.
Only
members,
please
remember
to
keep
your
cameras
on
at
all
times.
This
will
help
us
ensure
that
we
have
a
quorum
members
and
presenters.
Please
remember
to
be
muted
at
all
times,
unless
you
are
speaking
then
just
unmute
to
speak
and
mute
yourself
immediately
after.
A
Thank
you,
everyone
and
let's
go
ahead
and
begin
with
our
agenda.
I
will
be
taking
the
items
out
of
order
today
and
we
will
be
starting
with
a
presentation
from
the
sunset
subcommittee
of
the
legislative
commission.
I
believe
we
have
senator
spearman
and
miss
jennifer
rudy
here
to
present
president
ready
for
duty
ma'am.
D
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
record.
I
am
pat
spearman
and
I
represent
senate
district
one
in
clark
county
today,
I'm
here
as
the
chair
of
the
sunset
subcommittee
of
the
legislative
commission
for
the
2019
and
2020
interim
chair
javi.
However,
he
served
as
my
vice
chair
of
the
subcommittee
as
my
voice
may
not
last
throughout
this
presentation.
D
D
D
D
D
A
few
have
been
reviewed
twice:
the
state
board
of
oriental
medicine
in
2012
and
2015,
the
nevada
transportation
authority
in
2014
and
2016,
and
the
board
of
medical
examiners
in
2018
and
2020.
in
five
interims
sunset
has
reviewed
an
average
of
nearly
27
boards
and
commissions.
Each
interim,
and
yet
statue
only
requires
sunsets
to
review
a
minimum
of
10
each
during
the
interim.
D
D
During
these
reviews,
some
issues
were
repeatedly
found
across
multiple
regulatory
bodies.
The
list
of
issues
identified
by
the
subcommittee
was
included
in
the
2017-2018
subcommittee
report
and
formed
the
basis
for
the
provisions
of
scr
six.
This
measure
directed
the
subcommittee
to
conduct
an
interim
study
of
the
operations
of
the
professional
and
occupational
licensing
boards.
D
An
assembly
bill
319
required
the
subcommittee
to
collect
certain
information
to
determine
whether
the
restrictions
on
the
criminal
history
of
an
applicant
or
practice
authorization
issued
by
a
regulatory
body
are
appropriate
and
to
include
any
suggestions
for
modification,
continuation
or
removal
of
such
restrictions.
In
its
recommendations
on
may
4th
2020,
the
subcommittee
voted
to
direct
staff
to
conduct
a
survey
of
the
33
independent
regulatory
bodies
that
regulate
occupations
or
professional
professional
pursuant
to
title
54
of
the
nrs
and
to
report
the
final
findings
of
the
subcommittee.
D
The
survey
was
limited
in
scope
to
address
licensing
practices
within
the
last
five
years
of
the
33
independent
regulatory
bodies.
31
responded
to
the
survey.
The
remaining
two
did
not
respond
and
they
include
the
nevada
board
of
homeopathic
medical
examiners
and
the
nevada
state
board
of
optometry
senate
bill.
98
was
the
third
measure
requiring
additional
action
by
the
subcommittee.
This
interim,
it
required
the
board
of
homeopathic
medical
examiners
to
report
its
progress
on
improving
its
function
or
performance
to
the
subcommittee
in
addition
to
reviewing
15
boards.
D
The
recommendations
for
legislation
from
the
subcommittee
relate
to
five
boards
committees
and
commissions
and
all
recommendations
except
the
one
related
to
the
nevada
board
of
homeopathic
medical
examiners
were
requested
by
these
entities.
I
will
briefly
expand
explain
the
five
requests
for
bill
drafts
number
one
state
board
of
parole.
Commissioners:
the
subcommittee
recommends
legislation
to
amend
nrs
213.1243,
to
require
the
district
court
judge
to
impose
the
sentence
for
the
underlying
crime
and
for
the
conditions
of
the
lifetime.
D
Supervision
of
a
sex
offender
should
be
imposed
after
any
period
of
probation
or
term
of
imprisonment
and
any
period
of
release
on
parole,
amend,
nrs213.10885
to
record
a
comprehensive
review
of
the
standards
adopted
regarding
risk
assessment,
at
least
every
five
years.
Instead
of
every
three
years,
two,
the
commission
to
study
governmental
purchasing.
D
D
This
would
bring
nevada
in
line
with
the
majority
of
states
that
simply
require
graduation
from
a
mortuary
science
program,
and
it
would
facilitate
the
use
of
the
closest
funeral
home,
even
if
it
is
across
the
state
border.
California
has
legislation
allowing
for
the
trans
transport
of
human
remains
to
an
adjacent
state
of
disposition
without
a
death
certificate
or
permit
for
disposition
or
trans
transit
under
specific
circumstances,
including
the
body
will
the
body
found
will
be
respect
with
within
specific
mileage
and
the
state
border.
D
D
Finally,
the
subcommittee
voted
to
require
the
nevada
board
of
homeopathic
medical
examiners
to
report
to
the
legislature
on
or
before
the
first
day
of
the
2021
session
on
his
progress
and
implementing
the
provisions
of
senate
bill
98
further,
the
subcommittee
recommends
that
a
bill
draft
be
requested
in
case.
The
report
does
not
indicate
that
provisions
of
sb
98,
including
the
appointment
of
new
board
members
to
replace
all
members
serving
at
the
time
the
legislation
was
enacted,
have
been
completed.
D
The
report
from
the
state,
barbers
health
and
sanitation
board
noted
the
modernization
of
several
practices,
including
a
much
more
comprehensive
website.
The
recommendations
for
legislation
represent
considerable
work
by
the
subcommittee.
This
interim
and
madam
chair
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
A
A
D
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
add
one
more
thing:
the
committee
studied
in
depth
the
practice
of
reciprocity
and
the
way
that
we
do
or
do
not
license
or
handle
our
military
spouses
and
so
look
for
legislation
that
will
come.
That
will
make
sure
that
those
provisions
are
carried
out
because
people
in
the
military,
their
spouses,
should
not
suffer
because
we
can't
get
our
act
together.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
senator
spearman.
Thank
you,
okay
committee
members.
We
can
move
on
to
our
next
agenda
item,
which
is
an
overview
of
the
department
of
employment,
training
and
rehabilitation.
I
believe
we
have
director
elisa
cafferetta
here
for
the
presentation
director.
Caferetta.
Are
you
with
us?
I
am
with
you.
Can
you
hear
us?
I
can.
Thank
you
so
much.
Please
begin
when
you
are
ready.
E
E
I
am
joined
in
the
room
by
jenny
castleman,
who
is
my
deputy
director
and
jeff
frishman,
who
is
a
former
employment
security
division?
Deputy
administrator
he's
come
back
out
of
retirement
to
help
us
with
consulting
as
a
subject
matter
expert
and
all
around
jump
in
and
get
done.
Whatever
needs
to
get
done.
So
we
appreciate
his
willingness
to
provide
that
service.
E
E
So
we
we
know
that
you
will
be
seeing
legislation
dealing
with
deter
and
some
of
our
programs.
We
just
wanted
to
give
you
sort
of
a
high
level
overview
today
of
what
the
agency
does,
because
we
have
many
programs,
not
all
of
which
have
been
in
the
newspaper.
E
E
So
just
to
step
back
and
give
you
the
highest
level
view
we
are
a
workforce
agency
and
our
programs
are
all
related
to
our
core
focus,
which
is
helping
nevadans,
get
jobs
and
helping
businesses.
Employers
find
workers,
as
you
can
see
from
our
organizational
chart
here,
are
the
three
divisions
and
the
programs
underneath
them.
We
are
also
supported
by
several
administrative
units-
financial
management,
information,
development
and
processes,
which
is
basically
I.t
in
any
other
agency
research
and
analysis
and
human
resources.
E
That
is
the
team.
I
I
want
to
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
talking
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
divisions
that
maybe
haven't
been
in
the
spotlight.
So
much
many
of
you
familiar
with
the
nevada,
equal
rights
commission.
E
E
This
is
the
commission
that
will
hear
those
cases
and
help
provide
mediation.
Our
settlement,
our
research
and
analysis
group
works
with
the
department
of
labor
to
provide
labor
market
information.
They've
been
really
providing
a
lot
of
analysis
throughout
the
pandemic
in
terms
of
economic
conditions
and
unemployment.
E
Our
next
division
that
we
want
to
give
a
little
love
to
is
the
rehabilitation
division.
This
division
is
focused
also
on
employment,
but
in
this
case
they
provide
sort
of
services
and
reduce
barriers
for
people
with
disabilities
to
obtain
training
or
get
them
the
supports
they
need
for
them
to
get
jobs.
E
E
E
I
just
want
to
say
that
nothing
that
we
present
about
our
accomplishments
is
designed
to
take
away
from
the
fact
that
there
are
still
many
challenges
that
we
are
facing
and
we
are
taking
them
seriously,
but
we
don't
get
a
lot
of
news
coverage
for
the
things
that
are
actually
getting
done.
E
So
we
want
to
make
sure
you're
aware
of
those
things
again
focusing
on
the
the
divisions
you
might
not
have
heard
so
much
from
rehabilitation
has
helped
over
500
folks
with
disabilities
get
employment
in
2020
and
the
wages
the
average
wages
of
those
jobs
have
gone
up
to
dollars
and
cents
per
hour.
So
that
was
an
increase
over
the
previous
year.
We
are
very
proud
of
the
fact
that
our
rehabilitation
division
was
the
first
in
the
country
to
allow
for
completely
online
applications
for
assistance
and
services,
which
has
been
critical
in
the
pandemic.
E
The
equal
rights
commission
was
also
very
busy
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
a
virtual
way
that
received
over
1600
complaints
and
closed
over
660
discrimination
charges
on
behalf
of
nevadans.
E
They
too
went
virtual
with
their
trainings
and
we
have
added
a
lot
of
new
trainings
dealing
with
covet
related
discrimination
and
we're
bringing
online
trainings
dealing
with
covet
vaccines.
So
this
this
division
continues
to
update
their
work
in
response
to
the
pandemic.
E
We've
seen
over
2.2
million
dollars
in
settlement
funds
in
these
cases
go
to
nevadans
at
no
cost
to
them
for
going
through
the
process
with
us,
and
as
noted,
our
research
and
analysis
office
has
really
been
in
the
spotlight
providing
information
about
employment
and
unemployment,
and
I
I
think
our
charts
will
probably
be
some
of
the
most
used
during
the
legislative
session.
E
So
I
want
to
talk
specifically
about
what
what
happened
and
what
we
did
in
unemployment.
This
is
probably
the
most
used
chart
that
we
have,
as
you
all
know,
when
the
pandemic
hit
and
we
had
to
respond
with
orders
to
close
down
businesses,
unemployment
in
nevada
spiked
immediately
at
over
30
percent.
This
is
higher
it's
a
higher
percentage
than
has
ever
been
seen
by
any
state
in
the
history
of
tracking
unemployment.
E
E
So
just
to
give
you
kind
of
the
historic
look.
This
is
the
the
historic
levels
of
initial
claims
for
unemployment
going
back
to
1990,
so
you
can
see.
Maybe
you
can
make
out
that
it's,
the
1991
oil
shock
and
gulf
war,
the
9
11
stock
market
crash,
the
housing
crashing
crash
and
great
recession
in
2009
and
then
the
huge
spike
for
cobid.
So
those
were
initial
claims
and
the
next
slide
shows
you
continuing
claims.
E
E
The
thing
you
can
see
with
the
the
great
recession
is
that
the
benefit
types
change,
so
unemployment
benefits
are
a
limited
benefit
for
20.
E
26
weeks
had
to
make
sure
I
was
right
on
that
and
then
what's
happened
in
the
past
is
that
extended
benefits
have
been
offered
and
that's
what
you're
seeing
the
different
colors
is
people
moving
to
different
benefit
categories
and
there's
two
things
that
go
along
with
that
one.
We
have
to
make
sure
our
computer
programs
are
designed
to
move
people
from
one
set
of
benefits
to
the
other,
as
people
move
from
regular
unemployment
to
an
extended
benefit.
E
Generally,
those
have
been
covered
100
by
the
federal
government,
so
it
has
an
impact
on
the
health
of
our
trust
fund
in
the
state.
So
that's
kind
of
the
historic
look.
The
second
thing
that
happened
as
we
were,
trying
to
address
people's
requests
and
applications
for
unemployment
benefits
is
that
congress
added
several
new
programs.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
familiar
with
the
pandemic
unemployment,
assistance
program
or
pua
that
added
unemployment
benefits
to
a
group.
E
That's
never
gotten
benefits
before
which
is
gig
workers,
self-employed
folks
and
unfortunately,
the
way
it
was
characterized
in
the
press
often
was.
If
you
don't
qualify
for
unemployment,
you
qualify
for
pua
that
that
wasn't
an
accurate
reflection
of
what
pua
was
it.
It
is
like
unemployment,
a
limited
program
where
you
have
to
meet
a
fairly
rigid
set
of
criteria
to
qualify,
because
it's
a
workforce
benefit
designed
to
get
you
back
to
work.
E
It
is
not
a
safety
net
program
that
is
available
to
everyone
and
unfortunately
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
misunderstanding
around
that
and
you,
you
probably
have
heard
from
some
folks
who
were
very
concerned
about
who
felt
they
were
qualified
but
in
fact,
were
not
qualified
for
the
benefit.
E
But
what
a
lot
of
folks
don't
know
is,
then
there
were
a
lot
of
additional
programs
which
we
had
to
set
up.
So
we
had
to
set
up
a
new
computer
program
for
pua.
We
also
had
to
do
additional
computer
programming
for
all
of
the
extended
benefits,
as
well
as
the
f-pack,
which
was
the
originally
600
extra
payment.
Now
it's
a
300
extra
payment
and
then
there
were
other
new,
completely
new
programs
with
completely
new
criteria.
E
That
came
our
way
that
we
had
to
implement
over
the
last
year
and
there
are
even
new
ones
since
we've
done
this
slide
as
part
of
the
continued
assistance
act
that
we
are
still
working
to
implement
because
again
it's
all
new
computer
programming.
E
E
So
if
there
are
300,
if
there
are
3
million
people
in
nevada,
we
know
about
half
of
them
are
in
the
workforce,
1.5
million
give
or
take,
and
as
of
january
last
year,
that's
what
the
workforce
was.
As
of
december
of
last
year,
we
had
received
1.59,
so
almost
1.6
million
applications
for
unemployment.
So
we
had
reached
a
point
which
I
don't
think
any
other
state
has
reached
where
we
have
received
more
applications
for
unemployment
than
we
actually
have
people
in
the
workforce.
E
So
clearly,
a
lot
of
those
applications
are
fraudulent.
We
are
we
we
have.
This
is
just
two
highlights
of
things.
We
have
have
been
working
on
to
address
fraud,
so
we
have
a
unit
that
is
dedicated
to
this.
They
are
working
with
law
enforcement,
we're
working
with
the
national
association
of
state
workforce
agencies,
their
integrity
center
to
pursue
cases
where
people
are
submitting
fraudulent
applications
in
more
than
one
state.
We've
implemented
technology
on
the
front
end
to
prevent
fraud
and,
on
the
back
end
to
prosecute
fraud
after
it's
occurred.
E
We
would
also
say
we
know:
we've
recovered
over
a
hundred
million
dollars
in
fraudulent
payments.
So
far
we
expect
to
recover
more,
and
we
know
that
part
of
the
when
you
hear
that
there
are
hundreds
of
thousands
of
claims
we
have
not
paid.
Part
of
that
is
that
we
have
been
able
to
avert
over
two
billion
dollars
in
fraudulent
payments
from
going
out.
So
it's
always
a
balancing
act.
We
think
we're
continue
to
improve
in
this
area
and
we
still
have
more
to
do
so.
E
Like
other
states,
I
mean
this
ultimately
overwhelmed
our
system.
We
did
redeploy
staff
from
the
other
divisions
that
we've
talked
about.
We
set
up
a
call
center
to
answer
questions.
We
set
up
a
whole
separate
computer
system
for
pua.
Our
it
department
deserves
a
lot
of
credit
for
keeping
our
system
online.
We
our
system,
did
not
go
down
for
days
on
days,
which
did
happen
in
other
states,
so
we
understand
it's
frustrating
and
it
could
be
much
better,
but
it
did
stay
online
and
available
to
claimants.
E
A
backlog
did
develop
and
the
governor
created
a
strike
force
in
august
working
with
them.
We
were
able
to
do
some
pretty
innovative
things.
I
believe
we
we
set
up
an
agreement
with
the
division
of
welfare.
E
E
We
brought
the
call
center
back
under
dieter
management
to
address
customer
service
issues
we
implemented
idme
and
other
fraud
measures.
We've
rebuilt
the
the
team.
Here
we
had
a
lot
of
vacancies
when
I
started,
but
were
we're
getting
up
to
full
staffing
and
we've
cleared
out
over
95
percent
of
the
backlog
that
existed
in
august.
E
E
They
generally
don't
call
folks
to
congratulate
us
on
making
these
payments,
but
really
we
believe
this
is
a
fairly
close
to
the
correct
number
of
people
that
should
get
be
getting
unemployment
benefits
we
have
paid
out.
This
slide
is
actually
old.
We
have
now
paid
out
over
nine
billion
dollars
in
unemployment
benefits
and
in
comparison
in
the
last
12
years
combined
we
only
paid
out
6.4
billion
dollars
in
benefits,
so
you
can
see
the
amount
of
work
and
the
amount
of
help
that
has
been
provided
to
nevadans.
E
I
know
you're,
not
a
budget
committee,
so
the
only
thing
I
want
you
to
take
away
from
our
budget
slide
here
is
that
only
three
percent
that
small
dark
blue
slice
is
general
fund
money.
The
rest
of
our
money
comes
from
the
federal
government,
it's
it.
It
could
happen
more
seamlessly
and
more
timely
and
we're
happy
to
answer
questions
about
that.
E
But
when
you
you
know
when
we
tighten
our
belts
to
go
along
with
all
the
other
state
agencies,
those
hits
actually
go
directly
to
vocational
rehab,
which
uses
general
fund
dollars
to
draw
down
federal
dollars
or
to
the
nevada
equal
rights
commission,
which
is
partly
funded
by
general
fund.
So
those
are
the
programs
that
that
feel
that
experience.
E
We
have
a
bunch
of
other
slides
that
we
prepared
for
the
senate
committee
this
morning
to
answer
their
specific
questions.
So
I'm
going
to
stop
here
to
see
if
you
all
have
questions
and
if
we
need
to
go
to
those,
we
can.
A
Thank
you
so
much
director
caferetta.
I
do
I
have
questions
and
then
I
have
members
with
a
series
of
questions,
but
I'll
get
started
with
the
members
first
and
I'd
like
to
start
with
vice
chair
carlton.
B
All
right,
I
think
I've
got
it
okay
good
afternoon,
miss
caferetta
and
thank
thank
you
for
all
of
your
heart.
It's
been
a
long
year.
Did
you
see
a
light
at
the
end
of
the
the
tunnel
here?
I
guess
the
one
thing
I'd
like
you
to
explain
to
folks-
and
I
know
they're
going
to
be
getting
a
lot
of
questions
about
this,
and
I
know
this
isn't
the
budget
committee,
but
it
is
an
issue
that
will
be
coming
up
in
the
future.
Is
we
will
not?
B
I
want
you
to
make
sure
everyone
understands
we're
not
going
to
running
for
unemployment,
that
we
automatically
do
get
money
from
the
federal
government
and
if
you
could
expand
upon
how
that
money
gets
paid
back,
because
folks
are
concerned
that
when
the
money
runs
out,
they
won't
have
anything.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
we
get
that
on
the
record
and
how
the
state
actually
sets
up
the
process
to
pay
the
dollars
back
to
the
federal
government.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
for
the
record,
alisa
caferetta,
so
just
to
start
with
answering
your
question
or
sort
of
explaining
how
this
is
set
up,
there's
there's
actually
two
programs,
so
there's
regular
unemployment
and
there's
pua
the
pandemic
unemployment
for
gig
workers.
E
The
pandemic
unemployment
program
is
paid
for
entirely
by
federal
dollars,
so
those
we
just
draw
down
as
the
claims
come
in,
we
do
get
money
to
administer
that
program
and
it
probably
I
I
don't
think
anyone
would
disagree
that
the
amount
we
got
to
administer
the
program
was
inadequate,
but
that's
an
ongoing
issue
that
we
continue
to
work
to
address.
E
E
So
when
we
started
the
pandemic,
we
had
about
two
billion
dollars
in
our
trust
fund.
It
was,
it
was
pretty
healthy
and
we
were
in
very
good
shape,
thanks
to
a
good
partnership
with
employers
and
good
policy
and
guidance.
E
E
We
expect
the
borrowing
to
be
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
250
million
dollars
might
be
a
little
more
might
be
a
little
less
so
to
to
let
you
know
how
we
deal
with
paying
that
back
in
the
great
recession
we
borrowed
closer
to
900
million
dollars,
and
then
we
used
a
bond
to
pay
it
off
and
we
worked
with
employers
to
create
a
special
assessment
to
pay
it
back
over
time
that
we
paid
back
that
that
money
to
the
trust
fund
in
2019.
I
believe
so.
This
is
all
pretty
standard
operating
procedure.
E
We
don't
run
out
of
money.
We
have
a
mechanism
to
keep
going
and
we're
in
a
fairly
healthy
position
and
a
much
better
position
than
we
were
in
the
great
recession.
As
far
as
the
trust
fund
goes.
A
C
And
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
vice
chair
for
putting
that
on
the
record.
I
think
I
get
that
question
often
and
hopefully
I'll
be
able
to
share
this
video
with
my
constituents.
So
they
understand
that.
I
think
that's
a
huge
concern
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
I
know
you're
all
working
incredibly
hard.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done,
but
I
don't
think
anybody
believes
that
you're
you're
sleeping
more
than
eight
hours
a
day.
I
think.
B
C
Incredibly
hard-
and
I
I
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
all
you're
doing
I
wanted
to
understand.
You
mentioned
that
you
think
nevada
is
getting
more
fraudulent
applications
than
any
other
state,
and
I
wanted
to
understand
procedurally
what
other
states
are
doing
different
and
or
what
what
loopholes
we
have.
That's
just
encouraging
that
to
happen
here.
Do
we
know,
or
do
you
know,
is
there
something
that
we
can
tie
that
to
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
a
little
bit
better.
E
That's
a
great
question
and
certainly
we've
all
all
the
states
have
been
struggling
with
it.
One
of
the
things
that
we
have
seen
that
I
can
tell
you
is
that
in
any
given
week
we
have
seen
different
states
unemployment
applications
sort
of
spike
through
the
roof.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
believe
is
happening
is
that
fraudulent
rings
are
sort
of
picking
a
state
and
attacking
that
state
and
then
they'll,
move
on
and
then,
depending
on
how
successful
they
move
on
to
another
state.
E
E
F
Working
with
law
enforcement,
this
is
jeff
freshman
for
the
record.
We
are
also
working
with
different
law
enforcement
agencies,
ranging
from
the
state's
attorney
general's
office,
local
law
enforcement,
we're
also
working
with
fbi
with
the
secret
service,
because
much
of
the
fraud
rings
as
the
director
has
described
are
international.
F
So
it's
a
big
effort
and
we
are
also
working
with
the
naswa,
the
national
association
of
workforce
services,
agent
agencies
and
they
have
an
integrity
center
where
we
are
pooling
our
information
with
other
states
to
help
understand
the
types
of
fraud
that's
being
committed,
what
different
fraud
schemes
are
out
there
and
also
having
reporting
certain
hallmarks?
I
don't
want
to
get
too
deep
into
it,
but
certain
hallmarks
of
those
fraud
schemes
to
help
other
states
be
able
to
fight
off
the
fraud.
C
Thank
you
and
the
other
thing.
I've
been
curious
to
understand.
Better
I've
had
constituents
raise
concerns
where
they're
trying
to
process
a
claim
here
and
then
often
they'll,
say
well.
Technically,
jurisdiction
falls
with
california
or
arizona
or
a
different
state,
just
based
on
the
dynamic
of
the
type
of
employment
they
had
or
the
length
of
amount
of
employment
they
had
in
nevada
versus
another
state.
C
What
type
of
collaboration
do
we
have
between
states
and
agencies
when
we
have
individuals
in
those
scenarios
where
we're
not
sure
who's
supposed
to
be
processed?
And
what,
because
I
get
those
calls,
often
where
it's
just
somebody
I
live
in
nevada
and
I'm
trying
to
process
it
here,
but
they're
telling
me
to
go
to
a
different
state.
I
can't
do
it
there
or
vice
versa.
I
used
to
I
used
to
live
in
nevada.
C
I
moved
out
x,
amount
of
months
to
go
back
with
my
parents
back
with
so-and-so
and
I'm
trying
to
process
it
from
here
and
they're.
Telling
me
no
and-
and
I
I
don't-
I
never
know
how
to
really
even
engage
in
that
conversation.
I
don't
think
I
understand
it
enough.
If
you
could
help
me
understand
a
little
bit
better,
I'm
jeff.
F
Frichman
for
the
record,
what
you
seem
to
be
describing
is
what
we
would
term
a
combined
wage
claim.
What
that
combined
wage
claim
does
is
there
are
many
folks
who
have
worked
in
one
or
two
or
several
or
two
or
three
or
several
states
during
the
course
of
their
benefit
year,
which
is
what
benefits
is
are
based
on.
F
So
please
understand
that,
in
order
for
to
be
monetarily
eligible
for
a
claim,
you
must
have
a
certain
amount
of
earnings
in
a
certain
amount
of
quarters
and
the
way
it
works
is
it's
the
base
period,
the
first
four
of
the
last
five
completed
quarters.
F
So
certainly
they
could
have
been
working
their
most
recent
quarter
or
two
in
a
different
state
or
in
nevada,
but
their
wages
were
really
earned
in,
say
california,
so
they
would
have
a
california
claim
now.
There's
also
the
instances
that,
during
that
base
period,
they
may
have
more
than
one
state
that
they
worked
in
for
during
that
four-quarter
period
that
one-year
period.
F
What
we
typically
will
do
is
review
those
wages
because
we
can
put
wages
from
other
states
just
like
they
can
pull
from
us
and
in
order
through
the
a
federal
system
through
dol,
and
when
we
review
those.
What
will
often
happen
is
we'll
look
and
say
wow,
you
would
be
eligible
in
california
say,
for
instance,
or
you
could
apply
here
in
nevada.
F
If
you
apply
in
california,
the
weekly
benefit
amount
might
be,
and
I'm
making
up
a
number
five
hundred
dollars
a
week
or
you'd
qualify
in
nevada
for
four
hundred
dollars
a
week,
which
would
you
prefer
we
can
process
your
claim
or
you
can
contact
california,
so
there's
various
different
scenarios.
That
could
happen
in
what
you've
described
and
I
hope
I've
answered
some
of
the
scenarios
that
could
present
themselves.
B
B
My
question
is,
as
you
went
through
the
new
unemployment
programs.
You
mentioned
that
just
about
all
of
them
required
new
computer
programming
or
new
things
designed
to
meet
my
constituents.
I've
learned
from
my
constituents
sometimes
there's
a
lag
time
between
going
from
one
type
of
unemployment
program
to
the
next
unemployment
program
and
then
also
when
there's
say,
a
new
stimulus.
That's
coming
that!
There's
a
lag
between
those
two
things.
B
E
Thank
you.
This
is
alisa
caprata.
E
We
lost
a
little
bit
of
what
you
were
asking,
but
I
think
basically
you're
asking
about
how
do
we
pay
for
new
programming
for
moving
from
one
one
benefit
to
the
next
and
and
addressing
new
stimulus?
So
let
me
start
with
stimulus.
Funds
are
totally
separate
from
unemployment
funds,
so
we
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
like
those
six
hundred
and
two
thousand
dollar
checks
that
people
get
that's
a
whole
separate
system.
E
I
don't
think
that's
what
you
are
asking
about
in
terms
of
people
going
from
program
to
program,
so
I
would,
and
I've
been
with
theater
for
six
months.
So
some
of
this
is
what
I've
heard
some
of
it's,
what
I've
seen
so
when
when
we
first
got
into
the
pandemic,
I
think
at
least
for
the
existing
programs.
It
was
fairly
seamless
and
I
don't
believe
there
were
any
issues
going
from
regular
unemployment
to
state
extended
benefits
or
pandemic
unemployment
benefits.
E
There
is
no
doubt,
as
I
said,
we
do
get
administrative
money
with
these
programs,
but
it's
not
enough
to
cover
all
of
the
costs,
and
specifically
we
have
base
funding
that
we
get
every
year
that
covers
sort
of
the
staffing
issues,
but
at
the
end
of
each
quarter,
then
we
can
ask
for
above
base
funding
for
what
we
had
to
do
to
respond
to
the
pandemic
and
that
really
slows
down,
because
we
have
to
wait
more
than
a
quarter.
E
That
really
slows
down
our
ability
to
respond
and
hire
new
staff
and
maybe
make
the
the
investments
that
would
be
desirable.
Then
let
me
just
talk
specifically
about
the
most
recent
set
of
new
extensions.
Unfortunately,
the
the
pua
system,
for
example,
is
a
time
limited
system.
It's
a
brand
new
system.
It
was
designed
to
expire
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
in
fact,
because
it
took
congress
so
long
to
act
and
then
have
the
president
sign
the
continued
assistance
act.
E
The
several
of
these
programs
that
were
implemented
in
the
cares
act
did
expire
on
december
26th,
the
department
of
labor
told
us.
We
had
to
end
pua
and
peuc,
and
then
the
bill
was
signed
and
then
we
had
to
set
them
all
up
again
with
brand
new
rules,
a
new
set
of
rules,
a
new
set
of
guidelines,
some
of
which
we
are
still
working
out.
So
the
claimants
who
are
calling
you
right
now
saying
I'm
not
getting
my
extension.
E
E
It
would
be
really
great
for
us
if
they
would
pass
something
way
ahead
of
time
so
that
we
can
implement
it,
but
we
we
can't
do
any
work
until
we
have
it
at
a
at
a
larger
level.
We
did
do
an
analysis
of
our
system.
We
we
definitely
need
to
make
some
sort
of
immediate
investments
in
our
system.
E
You
will
see
those
in
the
governor's
budget
to
stabilize
it
and
help
improve
security
and
processing
times,
but
ultimately
we
do
need
a
new
system,
probably
a
cloud-based
system,
which
will
be
more
nimble
and
scalable
so
that
we
can
respond
more
quickly
to
emergency
catastrophic
issues.
F
Refreshment
for
the
record,
if
I
understood
part
of
what
you're
asking
is
how
the
funding
for
an
overall
new
system
would
occur.
If
I
understood
your
question
correctly,
our
last
modernization
that
we
did,
which
was
in
began
about
2003,
I
think
it
was
2004.
F
F
F
Amount
of
money
in
the
early
2000s-
and
that
is
what
was
used
in
order
to
fund
the
current
system
that
we
have
now.
It
was
also
used
to
build
the
new
building
in
las
vegas
the
deter
building
there.
So
we
don't
know
when
or
if
we'll
get
another
round
of
read
act
money.
So
many
other
states
in
the
interim
have
gone
to
their
legislators
and
asked
for
general
fund
monies
to
help,
supplement
or
pay
for
the
new
systems.
F
So
it's
a
variety
of
ways
that
it
gets
funded.
I
hope
that
answers
that
part
of
your
question.
B
Yes,
I
did
thank
you
again
director
and
to
all
the
staff
there
good
to
see
you.
My
question
is
on
your
last
slide:
there,
where
you
had
the
deter
budget
overview
and
it's
probably
a
simple
question.
I
looked
through
the
notes.
I
couldn't
quite
figure
it
out,
but
we've
got
federal
funds
for
the
biennium
coming
up
of
56
and
then
the
other,
which
comprises
the
41
percent.
You
have
c-e-p
and
d-e-n.
What
is
that.
F
Employment
program,
I
can't
think
of
it.
That's
on
the
workforce
side,
I'm
more
of
a
ui
guy,
but
it's
the.
What
it
is
is
the
program
that
there's
a
small
amount
of
money.
That's
collected
for
the
program
through
the
ui
contributions
from
employers
and
that's
where
that
funding
comes
from
the
cep.
So.
F
No,
not
from
the
trust
fund,
there's
a
a
a
small
assessment.
I
don't
know
if
assessment
is
the
jeff
freshman
for
the
record,
I'm
sorry
there's
a
small
amount
of
money
that
is
added
on
to
the
quarterly
payments
that
are
made
by
employers,
whether
that
assessment
doesn't
go
to
the
trust
fund,
but
instead
goes
to
fund
this
cep
program.
F
Workers
connect
and
go
back
to
work.
It
does
things
such
as
purchasing
a
new
pair
of
work
boots
that
somebody
may
need
for
work
that
they
can't
afford
to
help
them
pay
for
some
licensure
license
or
something
else.
They
may
need
for
a
job
to
help
buy
the
original
uniforms
to
go
work
at
a
fast
food
establishment.
B
E
So
this
is
a
lisa
capretta,
basically,
what
we
we
want
you
to
get
out
of
that
slide
and
we
can
provide
you
a
lot
more
detail
about.
The
budget
is
that
there
are.
There
are
sort
of
general
funds
that
come
to
dieter
to
operate
programs,
and
then
there
are
earmarked
funds
that
are
in
grant
programs
and
with
very
specific
purposes
that
can't
be
used
sort
of
generally
for
our
operations.
E
B
E
No,
the
40
elisa
caferetta
for
the
record,
the
the
41,
are
also
federal
but
they're
tied
to
specific
grants.
Various
title
programs
from
the
federal
government,
so
only
three
percent
of
our
budget
comes
from
the
general
fund
and.
E
F
Jeff
richmond
for
the
record,
the
career
enhancement.
I'm
sorry,
I
couldn't
think
of
career
for
the
c,
but
the
career
enhancement
program
comes
from
is
paid
by
nevada
employers
and
is
an
add-on
or
it's
a
percentage
based
on
a
percentage
of
the
amount
of
the
ui
tax
that
they're
paying
so,
and
I
think
it's
at
0.05
percent.
I've
seen.
F
B
F
E
E
So
the
point
we're
trying
to
make
there
is
that
there
are
very
few
discretionary
dollars
from
the
state
general
fund
that
go
into
our
programs.
Most
of
them
are
constrained
by
the
the
guidance
of
the
program
that
they're
in
and
can
only
be
spent
on
those
things,
and
this
is
the
point
we're
trying
to
make.
A
B
Thank
you
so
much
madam
chair
and
thank
you,
miss
kepharata,
it's
good
to
see
you.
I
was
wondering
if
we
could
just
go
back
a
little
bit
to
the
federal
funds
that
we
will,
that
we
are
borrowing
from
that.
We
have
to
borrow
to
keep
our
our
trust
fund
solvent.
B
How
will
those
be
paid
back?
I
know
in
the
recession
there
was
a
bond
factor
assessed
on
unemployed
on
employers.
So
do
you
think
it
will
be
something
like
that
again?
Can
we
pay
those
funds?
Are
employers
going
to
be
the
ones
paying
this
money
back
elisa.
E
Capareta
for
the
record,
so
to
answer
your
first
question:
yes,
this
is
this:
is
a
loan
that's
made
on
behalf
of
employers
to
cover
employment
of
benefits?
E
As
you
say,
in
the
great
recession,
we
borrowed
quite
a
bit
of
money,
almost
900
million
dollars.
We
did
end
up
bonding
to
pay
that
off
and
then
created
a
special
assessment
that
was
above
the
regular
tax
rate
to
pay
that
money
back
and
it
took
several
years,
but
we
did
pay
it
back
in
2019.
E
right
now,
we
are
borrowing
from
the
federal
government.
We
expect
that
that
we'll
be
borrowing
250
million
somewhere
in
that
neighborhood.
We
are
currently
not
being
charged
interest
on
that
by
the
federal
government
that
has
been
waived
through
march.
We
expect
they
may
waive
it
even
for
longer.
So
as
long
as
we're
not
paying
interest
on
it,
we're
we
haven't
really
focused
on
how
we'll
pay
it
back
and
we
want
to
sort
of
see
where
we
are
we
can
sort
of.
E
We
can
come
back
to
you
with
the
list
of
options
of
different
ways.
We
could
approach
paying
it
back,
but
that
you
are
correct.
That
is
how
we
did
it.
The
last
time
we
borrowed
money.
E
E
Alisa
capareta
for
the
record.
We
truly
have
been
focused
on
getting
through
the
backlog
getting
folks
who
are
eligible
paid,
stopping
fraud
and
starting
to
recover
fraud.
We
don't
have
any
numbers
other
than
sort
of
that
very
high
level
information
we've
shared
with
you.
Certainly
it
is
something
we
will
be
studying
and
probably
will
have
more
information
as
the
session
goes
along,
but
I
don't
I
don't-
have
any
anything
really
solid
to
share.
Okay,
all.
A
B
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation
from
everyone
at
dieter
and
especially
for
all
that
you've
done
to
get
through
that
backlog
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
know
that
we
all
have
been
working
together
to
try
and
get
our
constituents
the
help
that
they
need
back
to
that
question
about
the
fraud
and
the
investigation
process
and
working
with
our
law
enforcement
partners.
B
If
you
could
just
educate
me
a
little
bit,
if
you
know
do
we
hope
that
at
the
end
of
that
investigation
process,
it's
going
to
lead
to
convictions,
we
hope
and
that
after
that
point
will
we
be
able
to
recuperate
some
of
that
money
that
was
fraudulently
taken
out
of
our
state
and
are
there
any
penalties
in
the
criminal
justice
system
that
could
be
utilized
to
also
bring
money
back
to
our
state
from
what's
been
lost?.
E
F
Jeff
freshman
for
the
record.
Yes,
we
would
anticipate
that
there
are
going
to
be
some
prosecutions.
There
already
has
been.
I
know
the
case
down
in
las
vegas.
You
may
have
read
about
that
in
the
press
that
there
was
some
prosecutions
down
there.
F
So
much
of
the
investigations
and
particularly
with
the
federal
investigations
they
tend
to
take
years
to
get
before
a
grand
jury
and
those
cases
to
move
forward.
So
it's
a
long
investigative
process
that
we
don't
control
and
certainly
we
have
in
the
past.
There
are
rules.
There
are
provisions
where
we
do
get
to
recoup
some
of
the
monies
that
are
stolen,
but
that's
gonna.
I
would
you
know
I
don't
have
a
crystal
ball
here,
I'm
not
sure
how
long
it's
gonna
take
or
when
that'll
happen.
F
But,
yes,
there
are
processes
in
place
that
allow
us
to
recoup
some
of
that
money.
B
A
B
Thank
you,
so
I
understand
that
some
people
are
getting
hit
with
them
being
aware
that
they
had
a
fraudulent
claim,
through
their
tax
returns,
that
they
were
and
and
so
as
people
in
general
become
aware
that
they
were
that
there
were
fraudulent
claims
out
in
their
name.
And
forgive
me
if
I
missed
this
is
a
hotline
or
somewhere
where
we
can
direct
the
public
and
our
constituents
to
and
if,
when
they
find
that
they
are
a
victim
of
fraud.
E
Alisa
capareta
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
Yes,
we
have.
We
have
several
folks
who
have
received
10.99
when
they
did
not
receive
benefits
or
apply
for
benefits.
Those
are
clearly
fraudulent
claims
and
we
also
have
folks
who
may
have
received
benefits,
but
the
amount
on
their
1099
is
not
correct
for
one
reason
or
another,
so
we
don't
have
a
hotline
we
have
on
our
website.
E
If
you
go
to
the
fraud
tab,
there
is
a
form
that
people
can
fill
out
to
request
a
corrected,
1099
g
from
us.
We
cannot
just
issue
those
we
have
to
investigate.
So
what
we're
suggesting
folks
do
is
fill
in
the
form
and
then
keep
a
copy
of
the
fact
that
they
filled
out
that
form
so
they're
on
record
as
having
disputed
the
1099.
E
A
Director
capretta,
I
just
I
have
a
question
touching
on
the
fraud
numbers
too,
and
I
wanted
to
jump
in
just
because
we
were
on
this
topic,
but
you
had
mentioned
that
we
had
more
people
file
claims
than
we
actually
had
in
the
workforce.
I
think
it
was
like
1.591
claims
received,
but
you
said
I
think
that
our
highest
point
we
were
paying
out
369
000
claims
per
week.
So
does
that
mean
the
other?
A
Like
million,
were
all
fraudulent
claims,
or
was
it
people
filing
claims,
for
maybe
traditional
state
unemployment
and
then
filing
pua
claims
or.
E
Alisa
capareta
for
the
record.
The
last
time
I
saw
an
analysis
of
whether
people
were
filing
in
both
systems.
We
had
about
a
hundred
thousand
social
security
numbers
that
were
in
both
systems.
So
so
there
are
some
folks
and
actually
part
of
the
federal
requirements
are
that
for
a
lot
of
folks,
they
had
to
be
exhaust
their
regular
unemployment
or
be
denied
regular
unemployment
before
they
could
go
to
the
pua
system.
E
A
Okay,
so
the
majority
of
those
you
think
might
have
been
fraudulent
claims
or
applications
for
claims.
F
Jeff
frishman
for
the
record.
Let
me
share
with
you
just
a
few
numbers
that
will,
I
think,
highlight
and
some
of
our
challenges
as
well
year.
To
date,
we
have
identified
two
244
438
claims
that
we
were
not
able
to
establish
an
id
armed.
F
We
contacted
these
244
000
folks
gave
them
an
opportunity
to
provide
their
ids
and
proof
of
identification.
F
F
Obviously,
that's
a
big
big
task
and
it's
not
certainly
not
going
as
fast
as
we'd
like
it
to
go.
So,
if
you
add
those
two
numbers
together,
that's
right
there
about
a
half,
a
million
folks,
500
000-
that
we
suspect
are
fraudulent
claims,
but
they
have
not.
All
of
them
have
been
established
as
such.
So
let
me
be
sure
to
put
that
on
the
record.
We
are
still
looking
at
that
half
of
them.
A
Okay,
that
answered
my
question.
Thank
you
so
much
and
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
our
list.
Assemblywoman
martinez.
B
E
E
We've
brought
on
additional
staff
to
help
us
with
development
and
coding
and
testing
to
make
sure
that
the
updates
to
the
system
are
going
to
execute
properly,
but
we,
we
are
limited
by
sort
of
the
administrative
dollars
that
we
have
in
terms
of
how
many
improvements
we
can
make
and
then
again
we
do
have
the
two.
We
do
have
the
two
system,
so
one
we
have
in-house
developers
the
pua
system
we
are
working
with
a
vendor.
We've
implemented
many
of
their
recommendations
to
stabilize
and
improve
the
processing
for
that
system.
E
So,
if
you're
looking
for
pretty
technical
information,
we
can
follow
up
with
you
and
and
get
that
that
to
you,
but
we
we've
made
the
investments
we
can
make
with
the
the
dollars
that
we
have.
I
guess
is
what
I
would
say
about
that.
A
Questions:
okay!
Well,
thank
you!
So
much
jack
director,
caferetta
and
everyone
from
the
department.
I
know
you
guys
have
all
been
working
so
hard
throughout
2020
and
into
this
year,
and
I
echo
the
sentiments
that
my
colleagues
expressed
that
we're
so
appreciative
of
all
of
the
work
that
you've
done
and
for
being
so
responsive
into
our
constituents
when
they're,
calling
in
and
asking
for
assistance
and
not
just
with
the
unemployment
program.
But,
like
you
said
you
guys
do
such
great
work.
You
know
with
the
other
programs
that
sometimes
don't
get
highlighted
the
disability
benefits.
A
You
know,
nerd,
all
the
cases
that
you
guys
were
able
to
work
on
during
the
last
year
and
get
and
get
funds
back
due
to
nevada,
and
so
thank
you
so
much
for
all
the
work
you
do.
We
appreciate
it.
Okay,
members.
We
can
now
move
on
to
our
last
item
on
the
agenda
and
that
is
public
comment
broadcasting.
Do
we
have
anyone
on
the
line
for
a
public
comment.
B
Yes
chair:
we
have
one
caller
on
the
line.
A
B
B
B
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
broadcasting
with
that
committee
members.
We
have
completed
our
agenda
for
today.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
on
wednesday
at
1
30
and
madam
secretary.
If
you
will
please
note
that
speaker
fryerson
joined
the
meeting
as
well
and
was
in
attendance.