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C
Thank
you
good
evening
committee
members
welcome
to
our
second
meeting
of
the
assembly,
commerce
and
labor
for
the
day.
Mr
secretary,
will
you
please
call
roll.
E
F
F
F
C
Here,
thank
you,
mr
secretary,
and
please
mark
vice
chair,
carlton,
absent
excused
committee
members,
since
we
did
I'm
going
to
go
through
our
housekeeping
really
quickly,
and
then
we
will
get
on
to
our
one
agenda
item
for
this
evening.
Again
just
want
to
remind
everyone,
exhibits
and
testimony
amendments
all
must
be
submitted
noon
the
day
prior
to
the
committee
meeting.
People
who
wish
to
testify
must
pre-register
on
the
legislature's
website.
C
You
are
encouraged
to
submit
written
testimony
by
emailing
the
assembly
committee
of
the
assembly
committee
on
commerce
and
labor
members.
Please
remember
to
keep
your
cameras
on
to
help
us
ensure
that
we
have
a
quorum
unless
you
are
stepping
away
from
non-committee
related
business
members
and
presenters.
Please
remember
to
be
muted
at
all
times,
unmute
yourself
to
speak
and
then
promptly
mute
yourself
when
you
are
done.
Thank
you.
Everyone.
Let's
begin
with
our
first
agenda
item.
Our
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
a
bill
hearing
on
assembly
bill
221..
C
I
will
now
open
the
bill
hearing
on
assembly
bill
221,
which
enacts
provisions
relating
to
the
diagnosis,
maintenance
and
repair
of
certain
digital
electronic
equipment.
I
believe
we
have
miss
assembly
member
taurus
here
to
present
the
bill.
G
G
This
measure
relates
to
the
right
to
repair
rules
in
nevada.
Today,
we're
joined
by
carrie
shan,
an
attorney
with
a
background
in
intellectual
property
law.
John
kellis,
a
cyber
security
expert,
don
mezzero,
a
small
business
owner
and
curtis
jones.
A
small
business
owner,
will
provide
testimony
following
our
remarks.
G
I
want
to
remind
the
committee
that
I
am
presenting
ab221
as
amended,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
alliance
for
automate
automotive
innovation
and
the
nevada
auto
dealers
for
eagerness
to
work
on
the
amendment
as
well
as
manufacturing
industry
for
the
for
gaming,
so
that
we
could
propose
an
amendment
that
was
palatable
to
these
associations.
G
G
If
you
buy
a
product
such
as
a
smartphone
or
a
computer
and
it
breaks,
should
it
be
easier
for
you
to
fix
it
yourself,
manufacturers
of
a
wide
range
of
products
have
made
it
increasingly
difficult
over
the
years
to
repair
things
by
limiting
the
sales
of
replacement
parts
are
charging
independent
repair
providers,
an
exorbitant
amount
of
money
to
access
the
parts?
I
know
this
firsthand
throughout
college.
G
The
new
york
times
recently
reported
this
trend
affects
not
only
game
consoles
and
farm
equipment,
but
cell
phones,
military
equipment,
even
hospital
ventilators
and
life-saving
devices
that
have
proven
crucial
in
saving
lives
during
coven
19
pandemic.
This
legislation
specifically
focuses
on
consumer
electronics,
the
devices
that
every
member
here
has
within
arm's
reach
or
cell
phones.
G
What
is
the
right
to
repair
movement?
It
guarantees
that
individuals
have
property
rights
over
their
electronics,
so
they
can
repair
them
if
they
want
to.
It
also
ensures
equal
access
to
critical
repair
information
like
manuals
and
schematics,
and
fair
and
reasonable
access
to
parts
and
tools,
including
the
equipment
that
you
need
to
diagnose
those
devices.
G
Quite
simply,
this
bill
allows
for
you
to
just
fix
your
stuff.
The
right
to
repair
laws
benefit
our
community,
both
environmentally
and
economically
rights.
Repair
promotes
small
business
at
a
competitive
marketplace
by
preventing
inflated
costs
from
manufacturers
for
a
replacement
part.
It
also
allows
many
small
businesses
to
perform
repairs
that
manufacturers
will
not
do
and
gives
consumers
more
options
to
foster
a
more
competitive
marketplace
for
small
local
businesses
to
thrive,
hardworking
nevada
families
have
been
hit
hard
by
covid19.
G
Access
to
certified
tech
programs
is
good
for
nevadans.
It
expands
access
for
business
owners
to
provide
consumers
with
the
options
that
they
need.
Presently,
tech
companies
limit
access
to
the
materials
and
information
that
are
necessary
for
economic
competition,
which
inherently
creates
consumer
choice.
I
introduce
this
bill
because
this
policy
will
help
nevada
business
as
you'll
hear
from
some
business
owners
here
today.
Furthermore,
this
policy
helps
nevada
consumers
right
to
repair
saves
about
a
family's
money.
Repairing
instead
of
replacing
electronics
can
save
american
families
about
330
a
year
with
stronger
repair
rights.
G
G
According
to
the
united
states,
public
interest
research
group
americans
purchase
161
million
new
smartphones
each
year,
which
takes
23.7
million
tons
of
raw
material
to
satisfy
or
the
equivalent
to
an
empire
state
building
and
materials.
Every
six
days,
repairing
electronics
is
critical
to
preventing
waste.
According
to
the
world
economic
forum,
e-waste
is
the
fastest
growing
waste
stream
in
the
world.
In
fact,
416
000
cell
phones
are
discarded
every
day
in
the
united
states
alone,
making
it
easier
to
repair
these
devices
would
mitigate
climate
change
by
reducing
the
energy
consumed
in
the
manufacturing
phase
of
production.
G
The
right
to
repair
would
also
help
repair
the
digital
divide.
Early
in
the
pandemic,
a
nationwide
laptop
shortage
left
millions
of
students,
unprepared
for
virtual
learning.
As
an
educator,
I
saw
firsthand
how
families
struggle
to
share
one
device
with
several
school-to-age
children,
while
school
districts
work
to
create
a
one-to-one
ratio
of
devices
due
to
disruptions
in
the
supply
chain.
Families
in
schools
were
left
without
enough
internet
connected
advice
for
devices
for
online
school
and
remote
work
during
the
summer
and
early
fall
2020
widening
the
inequity
gap
between
low-income
and
high-income
families.
G
H
You
assemblywoman
torres
that
was
a
great
overview
of
the
need
for
this
bill.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
record.
I
am
sarah
peters,
representing
assembly
district
24..
I
would
like
to
briefly
cover
the
sections
of
ab221.
We
are
proposing
two
amendments
and
we
will
cover
those
at
the
end.
Existing
law
entitled
52
of
nevada,
revised
statutes,
regulates
trade
practices
and
other
commercial
activities
assembly
bill.
H
H
If
the
equipment
contains
certain
security
functions
makes
those
available
also,
it
says,
costs
and
terms
under
which
an
original
equipment
manufacturer
is
required
to
make
such
documentation
parts
and
tools
available.
This
includes
any
discount
rebate,
convenient
means
of
delivery,
means
of
enabling
fully
restored
and
updated
functionality,
rights
of
use
and
other
incentives
or
preferences.
H
H
Section
18
of
the
bill
generally
requires
such
items,
including
documentation,
parts
and
tools
to
be
made
available
to
an
owner
or
independent
repair
provider
at
costs
and
under
terms
that
are
equivalent
to
the
cost
and
terms
a
manufacturer
makes
such
items
available
to
an
authorized
repair
provider
again
parity.
It
also
requires
an
original
equipment
manufacturer
to
make
software
documentation
and
tools
available
at
no
cost
to
an
owner
or
independent
repair
provider.
H
H
Section
20
of
the
bill
makes
a
violation
of
these
provisions.
A
deceptive
trade
practice,
section
21
of
the
bill,
provides
that
the
provisions
of
the
bill
do
not
apply
to
a
motor
vehicle
manufacturer
manufacturer
of
motor
vehicle
equipment,
motor
vehicle
dealer
or
any
product
or
service
of
such
a
person.
G
Thank
you
so
much
peters,
it's
elon
torres
for
the
record.
As
I
noted,
we
have
submitted
a
conceptual
amendment
which
is
available
on
nellis.
We
propose
to
amend
section
4
of
this
bill
to
specify
that
the
definition
of
digital
electronic
equipment
does
not
include
gaming
devices,
as
defined
in
nrs4630155,
which
refers
to
slot
machines
and
mobile
gaming.
G
We
also
proposed
to
amend
this
bill
to
provide
that
the
provisions
of
this
bill
do
not
apply
to
motor
vehicle
dealers,
motor
vehicle
manufacturers
and
manufacturers
of
motor
vehicle
equipment,
and,
while
I
know
this,
this
amendment
specifically
dealing
with
automotive
has
been
a
work
in
progress.
I
know
that
this
is
something
that
our
legal
team
and
the
automotive
alliance
have
been
working
on
over
the
last
couple
of
days
to
make
sure
that
what
the
intent
is
this
intent
presented
to
the
committee
is
not
today.
G
You
may
hear
that
from
those
opposed
to
the
bill
about
their
concern
of
low
quality
or
dangerous
repairs
being
performed
by
owners
and
the
potential
for
fraud
or
abuse
by
independent
repair
providers,
controlling
repair
and
servicing
through
authorized
dealers
and
licensed
repair
technicians,
it's
not
about
safety
or
quality
with
electronics
like
smartphones
and
computers,
where
data
privacy
is
an
issue.
The
vast
majority
of
repairs,
like
repairing
a
screen
or
replacing
a
camera,
do
not
require
the
repair
professional
to
log
into
the
device.
G
As
we
noted
at
the
beginning
of
prince,
as
we
know
at
the
beginning
of
the
presentation,
I'll
introduce
the
next
presenters
at
the
at
the
permission
of
the
chair
in
the
next
and
the
next
few
presenters
will
be
kind
of
brief
remarks.
And
I
would
like
to
introduce
carrie
shan,
an
attorney
with
the
background
in
intellectual
property
law.
I
Thank
you
assemblywoman
tourist,
my
name
is
carrie
sheehan,
I'm
I'm
an
attorney
and
policy
expert
with
a
background
in
intellectual
property
law,
and
I'm
here
today
representing
ifixit
on
behalf
of
ifixit,
the
free
open
source
international
repair
manual
for
everything,
I'd
like
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
and
claims
that
you're
likely
to
hear
from
the
big
tech
lobbyists
who
are
here
opposing
the
bill
today.
I
Specific
the
bill
specifically
exempts
trade
secrets
from
the
required
disclosures
and
manufacturers
are
only
required
to
disclose
the
information
as
necessary
to
provide
needed
repair
information
to
independent
repair
providers,
anti-owners
of
consumer
electronic
devices.
Further,
the
information
that
is
needed
for
repair
doesn't
include
the
kind
of
information
that's
likely
to
expose
production
processes
for
electronic
devices.
For
example,
it's
not
going
to
include
manufacturing
schematics
the
information
and
the
information
that
this
bill
requires.
I
Manufacturers
to
share
is
just
that
information
that
they're
already
sharing
with
their
authorized
service
providers
and
those
authorized
service
providers
might
not
be
under
any
obligation
to
keep
that
information
secret.
If
you're
distributing
a
service
manual
to
every
19
year,
old
genius
bar
employee
across
the
country,
you're
unlikely
to
be
able
to
claim
that
that
information
is
entitled
to
trade
secret
protection.
I
Lastly,
even
if
this
bill
did
require
the
disclosure
of
trade
secrets,
which
I've
said
it
doesn't,
this
legislature
would
be
well
within
its
rights
to
craft
exceptions,
to
trade
secret
protection
in
the
public
interest.
That's
fully
consistent
with
the
federal
trade
federal,
defend
trade
secrets
act.
I
Second,
this
bill
doesn't
conflict
with
any
federal
intellectual
property
rights
like
copyright
or
patent
law.
Courts
have
recognized
a
right
to
repair
under
copyright
law
for
at
least
100
years,
and
even
the
u.s
copyright
office
has
acknowledged
that
repair
is
non-infringing
and
has
endorsed
that
the
right
to
repair
exists
for
everything
from
phones
to
tractors.
I
This
bill
does
not
authorize
any
unlawful
circumvention
of
copyright
protection
systems
or
any
kind
of
copyright
infringement
in
any
way.
It
merely
requires
manufacturers
to
provide
device
owners
and
independent
repair
providers
with
the
very
same
parts
tools
and
information
that
they're
already
providing
to
authorized
service
providers.
It
doesn't
authorize
just
the
further
distribution
of
the
works
and
it
also
doesn't
authorize
the
creation
of
any
derivative
works.
I
Fourth,
this
bill
is
not
preempted
in
any
way
by
federal,
intellectual
property
law,
federal
intellectual
property
law,
only
preempts
laws
that
aim
to
create
the
equivalent
rights
to
those
that
are
already
protected
under
copyright
or
patent
law
and
we're
unaware
of
any
of
any
case
which,
in
which
a
claim
of
preemption
under
copyright
law
for
a
bill
that
doesn't
create
those
equivalent
rights,
has
been
upheld.
I
Finally,
courts
of
law
recognized
what
you
and
I
know
to
be
common
sense
that
if
you
buy
a
product
you
own
it
and
you
should
be
able
to
repair
it.
If
you
can't,
our
entire
system
of
ownership
is
undermined.
Therefore,
I
urge
you
to
pass
this
bill
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
Thank
you.
G
And
at
this
time
before
we
do
that.
That's
a
long
time
for
the
record,
if
we
could
pass
it
to
mr
john
kalis,
a
cyber
security
expert.
J
Thank
you
very
much
for
letting
me
testify
here
on
ab221.
My
name
is
john
kallus.
I
am
a
cyber
security
expert
and
I
work
as
a
director
of
technology
projects
at
the
electronic
frontier
foundation.
I've
also
founded
my
own
cyber
security
companies,
including
one
called
black
phone
that
made
a
security
enhanced
android
smartphone.
I
have
also
worked
on
cyber
security
for
companies
that
include
apple
and
what
is
now
mcafee.
J
Cyber
security
and
cyber
safety
are
important
facets
of
repair
they're,
not
insurmountable
obstacles
to
ab221.
The
manufacturers
of
consumer
electronics
already
have
to
deal
with
these
considerations
with
their
authorized
repair
centers.
These
devices
carry
sensitive
information
about
us,
and
thus
they
must
be
protected
from
prying
outsiders.
The
manufacturers
already
knew
this.
Some
major
chains,
such
as
best
buy,
are
repair
centers
for
brands
such
as
samsung,
apple
and
nintendo.
J
These
manufacturers
have
procedures
in
place
for
safety
during
repair
because
there
have
been
cyber
security
incidents
in
the
past.
Therefore,
the
manufacturers
put
the
safeguards
in
place
to
protect
their
customers.
They
have
policies,
procedures
and
guidelines
for
the
repair.
Centers
ab221
does
not
require
them
to
do
anything,
they're
not
already
doing
merely
to
extend
what
they
already
do
for
best
buy
to
the
neighborhood
repair
place,
or
even
people
who
want
to
repair
their
own
equipment.
J
Me,
I'm
the
sort
of
person
who
takes
my
car
to
the
dealer
and
my
electronics
to
authorized
places,
but
I
don't
think
that
people
should
be
forbidden
to
do
it
themselves.
Nor
should
there
be
any
barriers
to
entry
for
smart
people
who
want
to
set
up
their
own
businesses
and
compete
with
the
big
chains.
Consumers
are
smart
enough
to
make
their
own
choices,
and
these
laws
add
no
additional
burden
to
the
manufacturers
themselves.
J
G
Thank
you,
mr
calluses.
I'm
lewinswords
for
the
record
at
this
time
at
the
of
the
chair,
I'd
like
to
introduce
joe
mesrow.
He
is
the
owner
of
error
route,
a
local,
independent
repair
shop.
K
K
A
few
years
later,
I
had
to
replace
a
motherboard
of
apple
iii.
I
was
able
to
find
the
part
from
apple
at
a
decent
price
at
the
time,
without
them
even
batting
an
eye.
If
memory
serves
when
they
came
out
with
the
macintosh
lines,
they
locked
down
all
the
hardware
and
made
it
even
more
difficult
to
find
parts.
K
During
my
first
year
as
error
out,
I
had
a
imac
that
had
a
bad
video
output.
I
trace
it
down
to
the
issue
of
known
issue
of
the
video
card.
I
brought
it
to
one
of
the
geniuses,
the
fix
they
took
it
back
and
confirmed
that
it
was
a
known
issue.
However,
at
that
time
they
refused
to
fix
it
under
their
extended
warranty,
which
stayed
themselves
extended.
They
wanted
800
just
for
the
part
and
another
300
something
dollars
for
the
labor,
where
I
had
to
where
I
would
only
charge
eighty
dollars
for
that
repair.
K
I
asked
them
if
they
sent
me
the
part
only
they
certainly
said.
No,
it
was
against
apple
policy,
unable
to
fix
and
unable
to
find
a
working
version
of
that
part.
I
had
to
return
to
imac
unfix
and
refund
his
money.
I
now
handed
this
useless
27
inch,
imac
and
followed
me
out
and
then
tossed
that
once
beautiful
three-year
2
300
imac
in
the
dumpster,
that
was
a
sad
day,
because
I
knew
it
would
be
adding
all
the
mercury
in
the
environment.
K
After
this
fun
event,
I
decided
to
quit
doing
mac
hardware
period.
I
don't
want
the
headaches.
I
don't
want
to
refund
money
all
because
apple
felt
like
bricking
it
also.
If
I
fix
an
apple
product
with
generic
parts,
who
knows,
if
apple
will
decide
to
limit
the
functionality
of
it
or
the
functionality
of
it
like
they
do
with
batteries
recently,
even
the
latest
final
iphones
will
not
work.
If
you
switch
out
the
cameras,
I'm
unsure.
K
If
you
know
this,
but
most
companies
include
in
their
user
agreements,
that
you,
the
person
who
just
paid
upward
one
thousand
dollars
for
this
new
iphone
are
not
even
the
owner
of
it
and
that's
how
apple
could
break
your
phone
if
you
use
third-party
parts
apple's
business
practices
are
not
unusual
for
a
host
of
other
company.
Other
tech
brands
in
this
field.
K
G
Thank
you,
mr
buzzaro.
I
appreciate
it
and,
at
the
permission
of
the
chair,
I'd
like
to
introduce
ours
for
the
record,
I'd
like
to
introduce
one
final
presenter,
mr
curtis
jones,
president
of
technology
center
inc,
which
is
in
sparks.
G
A
I
am
curtis
jones
for
the
record.
I
started
in
the
commuter
business
about
20
years
ago
when
I
moved
to
nevada.
During
that
time
we
had
up
to
15
employees
at
this
store.
Now
we
only
have
five.
We
have
watched
so
many
businesses
disappear
in
the
city
because
of
the
mega
corporations
and
the
manufacturers
restrictions
on
in
their
unfair
business
practices.
A
A
Individuals
have
tried
to
put
up
videos
online
of
how
to
repair
products.
The
manufacturers
have
done
everything
possible
to
take
them
down
so
that
nobody
can
repair
their
product.
We
have
watched
manufacturers
increasingly
make
the
product
unrepairable.
True
printer
manufacturers
that
we
help
have
tried
to
shut
down.
A
A
A
A
Manufacturers
are
trying
to
change
the
option
of
ownership
into
rental
so
that
you
no
longer
own
your
computer
or
printer.
They
can
just
do
whatever
they
want.
If
they
they're
done,
they
will
shut
it
off.
This
is
going
to
kill
more
small
businesses
in
nevada.
We
believe
we
really
have
the
right
to
own
our
product.
We
believe
we
should
have
the
right
to
repair
that
product.
A
My
customers
want
this
right.
They
want
the
right
to
come
to
my
store
to
talk
to
an
actual
person
to
have
someone
show
them
what
is
wrong
with
their
computer
and
to
fix
that
computer.
They
don't
want
to
sit
on
hold
for
hours,
going
through
endless
menus,
trying
to
talk
to
the
manufacturer
and
they
give
up.
A
I
can't
run
my
business
with
having
to
send
my
product
off
to
the
manufacturer
right
now.
The
usual
amount
of
time
that
they
have
to
wait
to
get
it
back
if
they
have
to
send
it
to
the
manufacturer
is
six
weeks.
I
can't
be
without
my
computer
for
six
weeks,
none
of
my
employees
or
other
businesses
that
we
support
can
be
without
their
computer
for
six
weeks.
A
I
can't
afford
to
buy
new
computers
every
year
that
the
manufacturers
want
me
to
do.
I
can't
afford
to
buy
printers
every
year
like
they
want
us
to
do.
This
is
running
us
into
the
ground.
I
have
a
short
story
of
what
happened
today.
We
are
a
epson
certified
and
authorized
repair
shop
for
them.
We
were
brought
a
printer,
that's
worth
about
eight
hundred
dollars
to
repair.
A
A
A
G
C
L
Thank
you
so
much,
and
and
thanks
for
the
presentation
and
thanks
for
working
with
stakeholders
and
continuing
to
work
with
stakeholders
and
thanks
for
the
bringing
the
experts
on,
I
appreciated
hearing
their
perspective.
One
quick
clarifying
question
because
I
heard
farm
equipment
mentioned
a
couple
times,
and
I
know
that
there's
some
amended
language
to
clarify,
what's
not
included
in
this
bill,
is
farm
equipment
or
agricultural
equipment
in
this
bill
or
explicitly
being
excluded
from
this
bill.
If
you
could
clarify
that,
I
appreciate
it.
G
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
As
soon
as
so
no
the
department
equipment
is
not
included
in
this
piece
of
legislation.
I
understand
that
there
was
a
concern
that
was
perhaps
emailed
to
us
earlier
today.
That's
that
was
asking
the
same
thing,
but
my
understanding
and
I'm
sure
legal
could
confirm
with
us,
but
when
we
requested
legislation
we
specifically
asked
that
it
did
not
touch
farming
equipment.
L
Perfect,
I'm
sure,
if
that's
different
legal
but
would
explain-
and
that
was
my
understanding
as
well.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
got
that
on
record
to
assure
those
people
who
were
who
were
concerned
about
that
that
I
didn't
understand
that
was
in
there
either
and
and
that
we'll
we'll
just
get
that
confirmed.
So
thank
you.
C
I'm
going
to
go
to
our
legal
counsel,
mr
foss,
to
see
if
he
wants
to
throw
us
that
and
just
confirm
it.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
sam
quast
committee
council.
So
the
definition
of
digital
electronic
equipment
needs
any
product
with
the
value
at
wholesale
of
five
thousand
dollars
or
less.
That
depends
on
its
functioning
and
holder
in
part
on
digital
electronics
embedded
in
or
attached
to
the
product.
B
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what,
if
I
don't
believe,
we
have
a
definition
of
farm
equipment,
so
the
bill
doesn't
specifically
exclude
anything
to
do
with
farming
or
anything
of
that
nature.
But
if
that
particular.
B
Farm
equipment
that
you
were
discussing
did
not
fall
within
that
definition.
Then
it
wouldn't.
G
Thank
you
for
if
I
could
respond
real
quickly
to
mr
to
the
chair,.
G
You-
and
I
just
want
to
get
very
clear
on
the
record
that
the
intent
of
the
legislation
is
so
as
not
to
include
farming
equipment.
It's
really
supposed
to
be
for
consumer
electronics.
One
of
the
issues
we
came
with
the
drafting
of
this
legislation
is
there's
currently
no
definition
for
consumer
electronics.
I
think
when
we
say
the
term
consumer
electronics,
the
majority
of
the
committee
knows
exactly
what
I'm
talking
about.
G
They
know
we're
referring
to
our
cell
phones,
so
laptops
to
our
computers,
but
we're
not
referring
to
farming
equipment,
we're
not
referring
to
slot
machines,
and
so
I'm
definitely
willing
to
continue
working
with
stakeholders
to
ensure
that
we
tighten
up
that
definition.
A
little
bit.
L
I
do
thank
you
so
much
for
getting
those
clarifications
on
the
records
and
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
look
up
the
deceptive
trade
practices
and-
and
we
don't
have
to
look
that
up,
but
that's
what
I
understand
is
the
I
mean.
Do
we
know
offhand
what
those
penalties
are
for
deceptive
trade
practices
and
then
I
guess
I
wanted
to
ask
a
follow-up
on
the
other
side.
G
As
elementary
to
the
record,
if
it
would
allow
for
mr
kloss
to
respond
to
the
penalties
for
deceptive
trade
practices,
because
I
believe
that's
in
our
current
nrs-
I
think
it's
referred
to
in
section
20..
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
the
particular
penalties,
and
if
you
just
give
me
a
moment
to
look
these
up,
but
a
person
is
subjected
to
civil
land,
criminal
penalties
and
I
will
I
have
the
numbers.
Take
some
moments.
L
Maybe,
while
he's
looking
that
up,
the
second
part
of
that
question
was
what
would
be
the
recourse
for
someone
if
they
were
to,
and
I
did
appreciate
the
testimony
from
from
the
experts,
but
I
think
one
of
the
experts
said
there
you
know
would
be
something
within
legislative
purview
to
address
somebody
breaching
security
issues
for
a
consumer.
If
they
were
to,
you
know,
bug
the
cell
phone
that
they
just
repaired
or
or
if
they
were
to
share
something
that,
with
with
somebody
else
who
was
unauthorized
to
receive
those
schematics.
L
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
comparison
of
what's
the
recourse
for
the
tech
company,
that
doesn't
release
the
information
and
what's
the
recourse
for
somebody
who
does
in
fact
reach
security
safety
or
share
intellectual
property
information.
So
I
can
get
it.
G
You
chair,
thank
you,
so
much
for
the
question
at
this
time
is
efficient.
It's
still
on
the
call.
I
Sure
so,
in
a
circumstance
where
there,
where
there
was
a
breach
of
private
information,
I
I
would
start
by
saying
that
you
know
these
kind
of
breaches
happen
with
the
manufacturers
all
the
time,
and
these
kind
of
breaches
happen
with
with
authorized
repair
providers
all
the
time
and
I'll
say
you
know
when
we
think
about
device
security.
We
think
about.
You
know
whether
that
device
rolled
off
the
assembly
line
as
a
secure
device
or
whether
it
rolled
off
the
assembly
assembly
line
vulnerable.
I
If
a
device
is
vulnerable
from
the
from
the
moment,
it
leaves
the
manufacturer's
production
process,
then
it
doesn't
matter
where
you're
bringing
that
device.
If
it's
an
authorized
repair
provider
or
the
manufacturers,
in-house
technicians
or
an
independent
repair
technician,
you
know,
there's
that
the
problem
is
that
the
device
is
vulnerable
to
attack
from
anybody.
If
the
device
is
secure,
then
it
doesn't
really
matter
where
you
bring
it.
I
It
won't
be
subject
to
any
kind
of
attack
or
intervention
now,
whether
or
not
or
what
what
we
can
do
to
to
the
extent
that
someone
does
breach
someone
else's
private
information
or
security
on
the
device.
If
they
bring
it
to
get
repaired.
I
would
expect
there
to
be
cause
of
action
under
nevada
law
for
things
like,
like
breach
of
privacy,
exposure
of
personal
information.
I
Things
like
that,
I'm
not
an
expert
on
on
nevada's
law.
Unfortunately,
I'd
love
to
be,
but
I
would
say
that
you
know
generally,
there
are
existing.
Most
states
have
kind
of
existing
cause
of
actions
for
that
or
existing
laws
that
that
someone
could
bring
a
lawsuit
under
against
the
against
the
person
who
does
the
breach,
not
necessarily
against
the
manufacturer,
unless
it's
found
that
the
manufacturer
produced
a
device
that
was
not
secure.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
sam
cross
committee
council.
So
the
civil
and
criminal
penalties
for
deceptive
trade
practices
are
set
forth
on
nrs
nine
598.0199.
B
C
K
To
go
back
to,
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
gentleman
but
that
on
the
business,
but
he
was
talking
about
how
it
used
to
be,
he
could
get
a
phone
or
computer
or
whatever,
and
he
could
do
a
vast
array
of
repairs
to
that
device
and
then,
over
time
it's
you
know,
become
less
and
less
of
the
types
of
repairs
that
he
could
make.
G
I
think
thank
you
for
the
question.
It's
a
little
bit
hard
to
use
all
the
toys
for
the
record
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
start,
and
I
think
I
might
be
able
to
answer
that
question
to
completion.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
I
used
to
work
at
a
battery
store,
and
so
I
worked
on
devices
like
our
cell
phones.
G
All
of
the
time-
and
I
worked-
I,
I
worked
repairing
cell
phones
at
a
time
when
you
could
complete
more
return,
repairs
on
a
cell
phone
and
I
watched
as
we
had
that
transition
and
had
less
and
less
repairs
that
we
were
able
to
make.
But
as
soon
as
you
put
the
new
volume
button
on
the
phone
stopped
operating
and
that's
called
breaking-
and
I
think
I
I
can't
remember
which
of
my
presenters
mentioned
it.
G
But
breaking
is
when
that
phone
just
stops
working
where
you
put
a
new
screen
in
and
the
phone's
working
and
then
it
maybe
stops
it's
called
breaking
and
they
just
they
make
it
so
that
your
device
stops
operating.
Once
you
put
this
third
party
part
in,
but
unfortunately
us
as
consumers,
don't
have
access
to
those
oem
parts.
Now
we
can
take
it
to
apple,
and
perhaps
they
can
fix
it,
there's
certain
things
that
they
can
do
on
our
device
or
we
can
take
it
to
android.
G
We
can
take
it
to
our
insurance
if
we
have
phone
insurance,
but
they
can't
that
oftentimes
they'll
give
you
a
refurbished
device,
they're
not
going
to
sit
there
and
replace
your
screen
for
you,
like
you,
can
at
these
small
businesses,
like
mr
mesaro
owns
and
like
mr
jones
owns,
that's
where
you
can
go
in
and
get
your
device
repaired
so
over
time.
We've
seen
that
in
for
those
parts
not
available
and
we've
seen,
updates
made
to
devices
that
would
make
that
device
stop
operating.
G
Additionally,
we've
had
like
I
think
mr
jones
might
have
hit
on
this
a
little
bit
in
his
testimony.
The
schematics
have
become
less
and
less
available,
and
so
I
think
the
incident
that
he
showed
where
he
demonstrated
a
part
of
the
device.
It
was
a
part
that
came
out
of
that
machine.
G
That
was
not
a
part
of
the
schematics
and
he's
a
certified
authorized,
unauthorized
repair
provider
here
in
the
state
of
nevada,
and
he
couldn't
get
access
to
the
part
that
he
needed
to
complete
the
repair,
and
it
wasn't
even
a
part
of
the
schematics
that
was
sent
to
him.
This
piece
of
legislation
will
prevent
that
type
of
incident
from
occurring
to
ensure
that
they
have
access
to
those
parts
they
have
access
to
schematics
schematics
for
those
of
you
that
aren't
maybe
working
in
a
tech
shop.
G
The
schematics
is
gonna,
be
like
the
ikea
picture
of
what
your
device
is,
so
that
like
pull
apart,
put
together
version
of
what
your
device,
your
computer,
your
cell
phone
or
tablet,
looks
like,
and
so
I
think
you
know,
this
legislation
ensures
that
not
only
the
schematics
that
image
that
pull
apart
image.
It
reminds
me
of
like
those
old
books,
my
dad
always
worked
on
his
on
his
cars
growing
up,
and
he
has
these
old
books
of
like
how
to
put
pull
apart
and
put
back
together.
G
Your
car,
I'm
sure
somebody
else
on
here,
knows
exactly
which
kind
of
books
they
are,
and
he
has
those
books
at
his
house
still
for
all
the
old
cars
that
he
ever
had,
and
so
he
could
pull
it
back
together
and
put
it
and
pull
it
apart,
and
so
essentially
we
want
that
to
be
available
for
these
consumer
electronics,
so
that
you
can
do
that.
You
can
take
it
to
these
independent
repair
provider,
shops.
C
C
G
Thank
you
assembly.
One
concert
item
for
the
question,
a
simple
woman's
horus
for
the
record,
and
I
think
that
you
know
our
opponents
are
right.
G
Lithium
iron
batteries
are
dangerous,
right
and
they're,
so
dangerous
that
they
put
them
in
the
devices
that
most
of
you
have
probably
within
arm's
reach,
they're
so
dangerous
that
you
can
buy
them
at
just
a
battery
store.
You
can
purchase
them.
I'm
not
contesting
the
fact
that
batteries
can
be
dangerous.
Alkaline
batteries
can
be
dangerous.
Motorcycle
batteries,
where
you
literally
are
putting
the
acid
inside
of
the
battery,
can
be
dangerous.
Car
batteries
can
be
dangerous.
In
fact,
I
watched
as
a
child.
G
I
watched
my
mom's
car
catch
on
fire
from
a
car
battery,
so
any
type
of
time.
You're
working
with
chemicals
there
can
be
danger.
There
can
be
an
element
of
danger.
I
definitely
understand
the
intent
to
ensure
that
we
are
keeping
our
consumers
safe
and
that
we're
keeping
our
shop
providers
safe.
G
I
think
that
there
should
be
packaging
on
those
batteries,
so
the
individuals
understand
that
they're
dangerous
just
like
we
have
packaging
on
other
batteries
that
lets
them
know
that
they're
flammable
that
they
are
dangerous,
but
you
know,
I
think,
that
the
consumer
should
still
have
access
to
that
repair.
I
mean,
I
know
that
assembly
computers
would
like
to
make
some
additional
remarks
to
us.
H
Assemblywoman
tours
you,
you
really
have
a
a
good
rest
on
the
ideas
of
the
dangers
of
these
these
products,
the
potential
dangers
of
these
products.
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
personal
experience.
H
I
had
a
cellular
phone
and
never
did
I
take
it
to
a
third
party
to
get
repaired
and
the
battery
still
blew
up.
So
I
this
is
not
it's
not
isolated
to
third
parties
using
or
replacing
or
batteries.
Additionally,
I
I
don't
know
anybody
who
would
repair
a
battery
and
maybe
that's
a
piece
that
some
repair
shops
would
do
but
be
pretty
that
that's
not
a
typical
practice
for
these
kinds
of
batteries
they're
manufactured
and
then,
if
they
need
to
be
repaired,
they
are
usually
recycled.
E
K
Thank
you,
chair,
haragi,
assemblywoman
taurus,
when
mr
johns
was
talking
about
like,
for
instance,
a
big
printer
and
how
he
just
needed
that
little
piece
I
asked
by
us,
the
consumer
being
able
to
have
him
fix
our
computer.
I
mean
not
our
computer,
our
printers
or
any
of
the
electronic
devices.
This
would
be
good
for
our
environment,
because
then
we
would
be
throwing
away
these
big
items
and
and
it
would
help
reduce
our
our
carbon
footprint.
Wouldn't
it.
G
Tell
them
sorry
for
the
record,
a
hundred
percent
as
well
as
martinez.
You
know,
I
think,
when
I
thought
about
this
piece
of
legislation.
I
thought
a
lot
about.
Like
my
grandparents
and
you
know,
and
growing
up,
I
would
go
visit
my
grandparents
frequently
and
I
don't
think
my
grandparents
ever
replaced
anything
in
their
household.
G
It
was
like
pulling
strings
with
them
to
replace
anything.
They
have
the
same
radio
that
they
would
listen
to
the
news
on
when
my
dad
was
a
kid
in
their
garage.
They
had
the
same
television,
it
was
still
a
black
and
white
tv,
but
I
grew
up
at
a
time
when
we
shouldn't
have
had
black
and
white
tvs
in
homes
and
they
would
just
you
know,
go
and
they
would
fix
it
right.
They
would
get
the
they
would
get
the
light
bulb
and
they
would
replace
it.
G
They
would
take
it
down
the
street
to
the
repair
shop
where
they
could
fix
it,
and
I
think
you
know,
unfortunately,
we've
moved
away
from
that
time
right
and
we're
seeing
more
and
more
e-waste
and
the
reason
that
we've
moved
away
away
from
that
is
in
large
part
because
of
our
inability
to
repair
the
devices
that
we
have.
G
You
know
last
during
the
special
session.
Unfortunately,
my
phone
broke
in
the
middle
of
special
session.
As
everybody
in
this
body
knows,
you
need
your
device
more
during
session
more
during
a
special
session
and
more
even
more
so
during
a
special
session
during
a
global
pandemic
and
unfortunately,
I
had
to
just
go
and
get
it
replaced.
There
was
no
fixing
for
that
issue
and
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
enable
and
empower
nevadans
to
get
their
devices
fixed
by
nevada
businesses.
K
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
assemblyman
member
martinez,
for
the
question.
Next,
I
will
go
to
assembly
member
duran.
K
Thank
you,
chair
haudaghi.
Yes,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
think
you
know
everything
that's
been
said
here
now.
It's
been
so
difficult
with
the
technology.
Moving
evolving
daily,
a
question
so
by
having
these
repair
shops
get
this
information.
Would
there
be
like
training
for
them,
as
well
as
increase
the
small
businesses
that
can
repair
these?
These
electronics.
G
Thank
you
for
the
question
of
someone
duran
and
someone
taurus
for
the
record,
and
I
appreciate
that
question
because
it
was
a
part
of
a
conversation
that
I
brought
up
time
and
time
again
as
something
that
I
was
comfortable
at
amending
into
our
legislation
with
the
stakeholders.
Then
I
I
spoke
with
I
reached
out
to
stakeholders.
At
the
beginning
of
session,
I
made
it
very
transparent
about
what
piece
of
legislation
I
was
working
on
and
how
it
would
impact
their
industries.
G
G
I
think
you
know
some
of
the
some
of
the
companies
right
now
do
have
some
type
of
certification
training,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
push
back
into
putting
it
into
legislation,
and
if
the
you
know,
if
the
committee
wanted
to
see
us,
you
know
allow
for
there
to
be
that
training
allow.
For
you
know,
if,
if
a
tech
company
wants
to
require
some
training
on
it,
I'm
comfortable
with
that
I'm
comfortable
with
that
amendment.
G
If
a
tech
company
wants
to
require
that
there's
some
type
of
contractual
agreement
so
that
they
can't
be
the
sharing
of
information
between
that
independent
repair,
shop
and
and
the
company
I
I
am
also
open
to
that.
But
I
ask
that
the
companies
come
to
the
negotiating
table
in
good
faith
and
willing
to
actually
present
an
amendment
that
we
can
present
to
this
committee,
because
that's
not
what
occurred
here
today,
although
I'm
definitely
open
to
that.
G
So
if
that
was
something
that
would
appease
the
committee,
I
would
definitely
be
willing
to
do
so.
K
Not
only
by
offering
maybe
these
small
businesses
some
certified
training
it'll
probably
take
care
of
some
of
these
issues
that
are
these
possible
questions
about
trade
secrets
and
so
on
and
so
forth
with
that,
because
I
think,
by
going
to
you,
have
a
certified
used
car
shop
that
checks
your
car
over
before
they
sell
it
and
stuff
like
that,
because
they
have
to
be
through
certain
training.
This
will
also
save
money
for
our
constituents
throughout
the
state,
as
well
as
provide
businesses
to
increase.
So
it
sounds
like
a
win-win
for
me.
Thank
you.
G
Yes,
I'm
leaving
there
and
assemblyman's
tourists
for
the
record
yeah.
I
definitely
think
that
this
is
a
way
for
us
to
increase
the
amount
of
gainful
employment
that
we
have
in
the
state
of
nevada
tech
companies,
and
they
think
that
there
are
a
number
of
tech
companies
right
now
that
currently
provide
independent
repair
providers
with
certification
programs,
and
I
think,
that's
excellent,
and
I
think
that
this
legislation
allows
for
them
to
continue
to
do
so.
And
I
think
that
this
will
increase.
B
Thank
you
chair.
I
appreciate
that
and
one
of
the
nice
things
about
any
one
of
the
last
question
makers
is
so
many
of
my
concerns
have
already
been
discussed.
I
really
want
to
thank
mrs.
We
had
a
discussion
earlier
on
this
bill
and
I
must
say
the
more
I
hear
her
talk,
the
more
I
hear
these
questions
I
do
have
I
stronger
and
stronger
feel
towards
the
build,
and
I
know
this
question
was
one
of
the
first
ones
asked,
but
I
just
need
some
clarification.
B
B
So
it's
the
definition.
Once
again,
I
liked
your
definition
about
you're.
Basically
talking
about
cell
phones,
tablets,
camera
computer
gaming
device
tablets,
so
the
question:
how
about
these
other
items
would
they
be
included
in
the
definition
from
what
you
said
earlier?
It
sounds
like
they
wouldn't
be,
and
that's
I
and
I
for
the
rest
of
it.
I,
like
the
part
about
contractual
contracts
and
the
training.
I
think
you
have
some
excellent
points,
so
thank
you
for
the
time
on
this
build.
You
could
just
help
me
clarify
the
definition.
I
know
it's
difficult.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
assemblyman
o'neil
and
I
think
that's
a
good
question
and
I
think
that
the
conversation,
the
dialogue
that
we've
had
today
with
the
committee
has
helped
me
realize
maybe
a
need
for
us
to
maybe
strengthen
some
of
the
language,
because
the
intent
is
really
for
us
to
be
reaching
those
devices,
and
I
do
agree
with
some
of
the
points
made
in
this
committee
that
perhaps
this
the
the
definition,
as
is
kind
of
opens
it
up.
G
So
I
think
that
this
is
a
conversation
that
I
we
can
have
and
I'm
open
to
continuing
to
have
with
legal,
to
see
how
we
can
kind
of
maybe
what
we
can
do
to
narrow
that
definition
down
a
little
bit
more,
like
I
said,
there's
no
currently
no
definition
in
statute,
but
I'm
definitely
interested
to
see.
If
maybe
we
can
find
a
little
bit
stronger
of
a
definition
for
this,
because
you're
right,
the
intent
is
for
us
to
really
capture
those
types
of
devices.
G
Gaming
consoles,
your
laptops,
your
computers,
your
printers,
but
it's
not.
The
intention
of
this
legislation
is
not
to
capture.
You
know
your
refrigerator.
G
H
Thank
you
so
much
chair,
so.
K
K
G
J
Yeah,
yes,
I'm
still
on
the
data
privacy
concerns
are
the
same,
they
would
be
otherwise
and,
and
some
devices
have
big
concerns
and
some
have
little
ones
and
some
devices
protect
your
data
and
your
privacy
rather
well.
I
mean,
for
example,
your
smartphone
is
extraordinarily
good
at
doing
it.
J
Your
television
lets
less
so
a
a
a
console
that
you
play,
video
games
on
even
less
than
that,
and
the
things
that
are
put
in
place
are
there
and
they
would
be
the
same,
no
matter
who
does
it,
and
I
encourage
the
manufacturers
to
do
that
right
now.
One
of
the
debates
that
we
have
going
on
in
state
and
federal
is
in
fact
that
sometimes
these
are
so
good
that
law
enforcement
would
like
them
to
be
less
good.
L
Oh
thank
you.
I
was
fully
expecting
assemblyman
o'neill
to
ask
about
his
bicycle
in
the
behind
him,
but
actually
I
I
think
assemblywoman
duran
did
a
wonderful
job,
asking
some
questions
about
how
this
melds
with
that
certification
process,
and
I
appreciate
it
assemblywoman
towards
his
response
to
continuing
the
work
through
those.
So
I
oh
I'll
surrender
my
last
question.
I
think
we
covered
it.
Thank
you
so
much
and
thanks
for
the
presentation
and
all
the
dialogue
really
appreciate
it.
C
N
I'm
here,
members
of
this
committee,
my
name,
is
nikolai
christensen
for
the
record.
I
have
worked
as
an
I.t
professional
in
a
wide
variety
of
roles
for
almost
three
decades.
I'm
also
here
today
as
a
volunteer
for
the
sierra
club
on
behalf
of
the
sierra
club
and
I'm
more
than
40
000
members
and
supporters
in
the
state
of
nevada,
I'm
speaking
in
support
of
ab221
as
an
I.t
professional.
N
My
equipment
right
to
repair
also
allows
repair
shop
businesses
to
thrive
in
nevada,
which
is
not
only
good
for
nevada
customers,
but
it
also
creates
good
paying
local
jobs
additionally
right
to
repair
extends
the
lifespan
of
electronic
equipment,
which
has
two
large
benefits
for
nevada,
one,
repairing
rather
than
replacing
equipment,
extends
lifespan
and
equipment
which
reduces
the
equipment's
overall
total
cost
of
ownership.
This
is
good
for
nevada
customers,
and
especially
those
who
are
disadvantaged
economically
two,
because
encouraging
repair
over
replacement
increases
the
lifespan
of
equipment.
N
This
reduces
the
amount
of
electronics
each
year
they
get
thrown
away.
Electronics
typically
contain
toxic
metals
which,
when
discarded
leech
into
our
environment,
doing
considerable
damage
to
our
ecosystem
companies
and
representatives
who
oppose
right
to
repair,
make
many
claims.
I've
heard
them
claim
the
right
to
repair
leads
to
people
who
are
unqualified,
making
repairs
and
getting
injured,
and
shady
repair
shops
victimizing
their
patrons.
N
However,
I
ask
you:
have
any
of
these
companies
or
trade
groups
lobbied
this
body
on
behalf
of
worker
safety
or
customer
protection
regulations?
In
any
other
context,
I
have
not,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
these
are
not
the
things
the
companies
that
are
actually
concerned
about,
there's
only
one
reason:
these
companies
actively
oppose
right
to
repair
and
that's
money.
N
These
companies
want
to
reserve
high
margin,
repair
businesses
for
themselves
and
to
encourage
replacement
rather
than
repair
the
equipment
that
they
sell.
The
bottom
line
is
that
right
to
repair
is
good
for
nevada
businesses,
good
for
the
financial
well-being
of
nevada
residents
and
good
for
our
environment,
and
I
encourage
you
to
support
ab221.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
christy
cabrera
and
I'm
the
policy
and
advocacy
director
for
the
nevada
conservation
league.
We
are
in
strong
support
of
ab221.
This
bill
will
help
our
environment
save
nevadans
money
and
create
thousands
of
new
repair.
Jobs
in
our
state.
Right
to
repair
is
critical
to
waste
prevention.
Americans
purchase
161
million
new
smartphones
every
year.
F
This
is
especially
concerning
knowing
that
a
single
iphone
requires
75
pounds
of
ore
and
220
pounds
of
water
to
produce
not
being
able
to
repair
devices
means
they
get
thrown
out
if
they
break
e-waste
is
the
fastest
growing
waste
stream
in
the
world,
and
americans
discard
nearly
half
a
million
cell
phones
every
day.
Toxic
metals
from
this
e-waste
then
sits
in
our
landfills
and
can
make
its
way
into
our
water
and
soil
leading
to
harmful
contamination.
F
For
example,
if
we
held
onto
our
phones
for
just
one
more
year
on
average,
the
emissions
reductions
would
be
equivalent
to
taking
636
000
cars
off
the
road
by
giving
nevadans
the
right
to
repair
their
electronics,
we
can
avoid
significant
environmental
impacts.
The
reuse
of
devices
could
reduce
demand
for
natural
resources,
reduce
toxic
waste
and
help
mitigate
climate
change,
all
while
saving
nevadan's
money.
We
applaud
assemblywoman
torres
and
assemblywoman
peters
for
bringing
forward
this
important
legislation,
and
we
strongly
urge
your
support.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
C
Mr
andrew
flag,
are
you
with
us?
Okay,
we
are
now
going
to
move
to
the
phone
lines
for
those
wishing
testify
in
support.
I
am
going
to
take
30
minutes
of
support
via
the
phone
line.
We
will
do
the
same
for
opposition
and
same
for
neutral.
Take
those
who
have
signed
up
to
testify
video
and
do
30
minutes
of
opposition
and
take
those
who
signed
up
to
testify
in
neutral
and
then
take
30
minutes
of
neutral
broadcasting.
Can
we
please
check
the
telephone
line
for
those
wishing
to
testify
in
support?
Please.
K
K
E
Good
afternoon
members
good
afternoon,
madam
chairs
and
members
of
the
committee
for
director,
my
name
is
sethi
alvarado,
a
l,
a
r,
a
d
o.
I
am
the
nevada
state
director
for
misamiliabota,
and
I'm
here
in
full
support
of
ab221
support
the
right
to
repair
and
support.
E
My
right
to
repair
repair
helps
climate
change.
Eighty
percent
of
emissions
impact
of
a
smartphone
comes
from
production.
Repair,
reduces
the
flow
of
toxic
waste
if
weight
accounts
for
two
percent
of
the
of
the
weight
of
stream,
but
seventy
percent
is
taxi.
Obsidian
repair
saves
money
with
a
stronger
repair
ride.
The
money
spent
on
repair
will
circulate
in
our
local
economy.
Repair
the
right
to
repair
support,
small
businesses
right
to
repair
legislation
will
prevent
inflated
calls
from
manufacturers
for
replacement
parts.
E
Misamilia
volta
supports
ab221
and
we
upload
assemblywoman
selena
for
sponsoring
this
bill.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
K
K
O
N,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
good
evening,
I'm
dylan
sullivan,
I'm
a
senior
scientist
at
the
natural
resources
defense
council.
I
live
in
reno
nrdc
works
to
safeguard
the
earth,
it's
people,
it's
plants
and
animals,
and
the
natural
systems
on
which
life
depends.
We
have
around
25
000
members
and
online
activists
in
the
state
of
nevada.
O
K
O
O
We
are
in
support
of
this
bill
and
would
echo
the
previous
comments
made
by
previous
speakers
and
the
only
kind
of
spin
I
I
would
put
on
it
in
this
comment
is
that
you
know
nevada's
sort
of
at
the
brink
of
a
new
gold
rush
for
the
minerals
involved
in
the
renewable
energy
transition,
and
that
includes
the
minerals
involved
in
powering
our
devices.
Lithium,
possibly
vanadium.
Other
minerals
and
these
mines
create
extensive
environmental
impacts,
and
you
know
if
we're
going
to
be
pulling
these
minerals
out
of
the
ground.
O
K
P
P
It
makes
no
sense
for
us
to
mine
natural
resources
here
in
nevada
only
to
make
their
way
directly
into
landfills,
even
their
electronic
waste
and
the
heavy
metals
they
release
are
difficult
to
contain
and
pose
health
hazards
to
nearby
communities
and
wildlife
and
beyond.
Just
the
environmental
concerns.
Small
business
and
consumers
stand
to
gain
tremendously
from
passage
of
this
bill
for
local
repair
shops
to
continue
to
exist.
They
need
the
repair
essentials.
This
bill
would
give
them
access
to
which,
for
many
business
owners
are
becoming
harder
and
harder
to
get
as
a
consumer.
P
I
like
my
phone
and
I
have
no
desire
to
buy
the
newest
model,
and
so
do
thousands
of
nevadans
who
do
do
so
simply
because
that's
the
only
way
for
them
to
access
a
functioning
device.
That's
wrong.
I
want
to
thank
assemblywoman
torres
for
courageously
introducing
this
bill
to
reduce
electronic
waste
support,
small
businesses
who
perform
a
critically
important
service
to
their
communities
and
and
for
nevada
consumers
who
are
sick
and
tired
of
buying
a
new
device.
P
K
K
P
P
We
believe
that
it's
time
that
nevada
and
the
the
rest
of
the
country
as
well
think
about
a
circular
economy,
one
in
which
we
we
minimize
and
reduce
waste
as
much
as
possible
and
follow
the
model
of
mother
nature.
Mother
nature
has
no
trash.
Can
she
uses
everything
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
just
as
efficient
and
mindful
in
that
process.
P
It
does
help
to
minimize
the
burden
on
those
communities
that
show
the
responsibilities
in
hosting
mine
sites
and
they
are
going
to.
They
are
going
to
feel
the
impacts
most
greatly
than
the
rest
of
us,
and
it's
important
for
us
to
be
mindful
of
that
environmental
justice
aspect,
as
well
as
the
general
environmental
aspects
of
being
efficient
in
our
use
of
materials
and
not
wasting
precious,
the
precious
resources
that
are
provided
to
us
by
this
planet.
P
Thank
you
very
much
committee
and
for
for
this
bill
coming
forward,
and
I
thank
you
for
your
time.
K
F
F
Today,
I'm
calling
in
support
of
ab221
the
right
to
repair
bill
on
behalf
of
our
over
8
000
members
in
nevada
ab221
will
help
mitigate
climate
change
by
reducing
the
energy
consumed
in
the
manufacturing
phase
of
production,
which
is
very
important
to
me
as
a
mother
of
a
three-year-old
I'm
concerned
about
the
effect
that
these
emissions
have
over
our
air
quality.
This
bill
will
help
reduce
the
emissions
impact
that
comes
from
the
production
of
smartphones.
K
D
Can
you
hear
me
yesterday,
okay,
good
perfect,
my
name
is
miles
long
m-y-l-e-s,
my
name's
o-n-g
yeah,
and
I
I
call
it
sports
the
bill
2..
So
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
see
is
that
that
you
know
that
concerns
me.
D
A
lot
is
also
you
know
this,
this
environmental,
the
waste
you
know
deal
and
I
own
an
appliance
repair
business
and
one
of
the
toughest
things
to
do
is
to
diagnose
these
appliances,
and
the
part
of
the
issue
is
that
they
are
so
technical
these
days
they
have
all
these
boards
that
there's
no
way
to
really
plug
in
anything
to
diagnose,
like
you
know,
on
a
car
how
it's
standardized,
they
have
this,
what
they
call
a
obd
sensor
and
you
could
plug
in
and
diagnose
and
then
do
all
this
stuff.
D
Well,
appliances,
don't
have
anything
like
that
and
then
the
resources
to
get
the
information
to
diagnose
these
things
are
almost
slim
to
none,
and
I,
too
have
to
go
onto
youtube
a
lot
to
try
to
get
some
of
this
information
and
the
things
that
you
know
what
I
would
would
love
to
have
the
manufacturers
do.
D
Is
they
need
to
have
it
so
that
you
know
all
these
manuals
and
stuff
just
like
how
you
would
search
when
you
do
customer
support
on
a
laptop
or
anything
like
that
online
electronics,
where
you
could
just
type
in
like
the
model
number
and
it'll
pop
up,
where
you
can
download
drivers,
update
firmware
product
support
like
pdfs,
and
things
like
that
that
you
know
they
already
have
the
structure
in
place.
D
C
Thank
you,
mr
broadcasting.
Next
caller,
please.
K
F
F
F
Currently
poor
and
marginalized
communities
are
disproportionately
affected
by
pollution
and
climate
change,
while
corporations
rake
in
millions
in
profits
eb221
would
allow
nevadans
to
repair
their
technology
rather
than
replacing
it
reducing
the
reliance
on
new
mining
of
finite
resources,
environmental
impacts
of
mining.
The
minerals
required
in
today's
technology
can
pollute
our
streams,
rivers,
lakes
and
over
the
long
term
for
centuries
and
destroy
our
sacred
indigenous
sites.
F
This
legislation
also
levels
the
playing
fields
between
corporations
and
nevadans,
particularly
nevada,
small
businesses,
small
businesses
that
service
electronics
in
our
state
perform
an
important
and
necessary
function
in
our
communities.
Increasingly,
these
shops
are
being
forced
to
tell
people
that
they
cannot
repair
their
items
as
the
products
they
are
able
to
service
are
rapidly
going
extinct.
F
K
Q
Okay,
don
renner
d-o-n-r-e-n-n-e-r
from
renter
equipment
company,
I'm
a
john
deere
farm
equipment
dealer
with
three
different
stores
in
the
state
of
nevada,
employing
32
people.
I
agree
with
everything
you
guys
are
saying,
but
I
was
really
happy
to
hear
you
want
to
exempt
agriculture
and,
if
that's
so,
we
need
to
send
you
the
language
that
will
help.
You
write
the
exemption.
Q
Q
50
of
my
parts
go
out
to
customers
that
actually
fix
their
own
equipment
themselves,
and
so
us,
offering
a
service
of
a
customer
service
advisory
is
a
way
of
these
people
being
able
to
solve
their
problem
in
the
agriculture
side,
which
doesn't
really
affect
what
you
guys
are
doing,
but
it
affects
us.
Q
We
do
not
want
these
people
tampering
with
their
equipment
and
we've
already
found
cut
throat
devices
that
allow
these
people
to
come
in
and
change
the
price
of
the
the
programs
and
they're
they're,
shutting
down
like
emission
systems,
safety
equipment
and
john
deere
and
new
holland
and
cat
and
ag
equipment
dealers.
We
do
not
need
that
that
turns
into
expensive
repairs
later
on
at
the
cost
of
the
customer.
Q
So
if
we
can,
we
would
like
to
send
you
the
the
language
to
help
the
exempt
the
ag
side
and
good
luck
on
the
rest
of
you
guys
this
stuff.
Thank
you.
C
Okay,
thank
you
with
that.
We
will
move
into
testimony
and
opposition.
Again.
I
will
take
those
who
are
participating
via
video
first
and
then
we
will
move
to
the
telephone
line.
We
can
start
with
mr
paul
moratkin,
representing
the
las
vegas
chamber,.
B
Paul
moratkin
with
the
vegas
chamber,
I
appreciate
the
conversations
we've
had
with
us,
someone
torres
about
the
bill
and
for
us
being
able
to
share
some
of
the
concerns
on
behalf
of
our
members.
As
you
know,
the
chamber
has
members
across
all
sectors
of
the
economy.
Each
industry
can
be
impacted
differently
as
we
look
at
bills
like
ab221.
B
B
There's
also
concern,
as
you've
heard,
about
data
security
for
customers
when
turning
their
phones
over
computers
for
repair
and
that
data
potentially
being
compromised.
Also,
the
handling
of
lithium
batteries
without
the
proper
training
is
a
concern
we've
heard
from
our
members,
because
the
safety
of
employees
and
liability
for
employers
and
illegal
climate.
We
do
believe
that
the
proposed
amendment
presented
tonight.
C
M
All
right
good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
dusty,
brighton
and
I
represent
the
repair
done
right
coalition,
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today.
The
repair
done
right
coalition
is
made
up
of
companies,
organizations
and
people
who
care
about
ensuring
that
invaded
project.
Innovative
products
are
repaired
and
maintained
in
an
authorized
manner.
Many
of
the
reference
companies
operate
in
the
great
state
of
nevada
that
are
involved
with
the
coalition.
M
These
companies
assist
in
connecting
consumers,
businesses
and
governments
through
products
designed
to
assist
in
improving
the
lives
of
those
who
use
them
during
this
pandemic.
Products
and
services
manufactured
by
these
companies
and
organizations
have
been
essential
in
ensuring
commerce
and
personal
relationships
remain
intact.
M
There
are
options
that
exist
for
consumers
currently
in
getting
their
devices
repaired.
Most
consumer
technology
products
are
comprised
of
complex
electronics,
which
do
require
specialized
training
and
sophisticated
test
instruments
to
repair
safely.
Some
types
of
repairs
can
be
extremely
detailed,
they're
complicated.
They
can
be
dangerous
to
anyone
without
that
train.
It
is
particularly
important
that
products
containing
high-energy
lithium-ion
batteries,
which
I
know
were
referenced
earlier,
are
required
only
by
trained
professionals
who
understand
and
mitigate
the
hazards
associated
with
installing,
removing
or
replacing
those
batteries.
M
State
law
we
feel,
should
not
mandate
that
all
manufacturers
must
provide
a
how-to
manual
for
any
product
and
provide
it
to
anyone
who
asks
more
than
22
state
legislatures
have
already
reviewed
similar
legislation
to
this.
No
bills
have
passed
as
states
have
come
to
the
determination
that
legislating
repair
rules
for
manufacturers
created
a
whole
lot
of
issues
and
more
issues
for
consumers
than
answers.
M
C
B
Okay,
first
off,
thank
you
for
pronouncing
my
name
right.
It's
not
always
the
case
good
evening,
chair
members,
my
name
is
cameron
demetrium,
the
executive
director
at
technet,
technet's,
the
national
bipartisan
network
of
tech,
ceos
and
senior
execs
that
promotes
the
growth
of
the
innovation
economy.
We
represent
over
85
companies
and
3.5
million
customers.
B
Technet
respectfully
opposes
ad221.
We
believe
this
legislation
is
legislation
is
such
a
problem,
as
consumers
already
have
a
choice
when
it
comes
to
food
repairs
and
devices,
thousands
of
repair
facilities
complete
the
customer's
business
each
day,
tech
companies
have
every
incentive
to
ensure
their
customers
have
an
ample
opportunity
to
get
their
products
repaired.
B
This
bill
raises
a
myriad
of
concerns
that
extends
far
beyond
the
stated
intent
of
providing
access
to
parts
tools,
tech
manuals
and
software
to
a
broad
range
of
electronic
products.
Technet
and
its
members
are
concerned
that
this
bill
would
have
the
potential
for
troubling
unintended
consequences,
including
serious
cyber
security,
privacy
and
safe
risk
related
to
security
concerns.
B
Maybe
221
requires
manufacturers
to
provide
diagnostic
tools,
source
code,
permit
access
to
tightly
controlled
supply
chains,
unaffiliated
unvetted
third
parties,
which
may
place
consumer
devices
at
risk
by
placing
sensitive
information
in
the
hands
of
malicious
hackers.
Creating
a
new
set
of
cyber
security
vulnerabilities
both
at
home
and
internationally
individuals,
keep
a
wealth
of
sensitive
personal
data
on
their
devices,
including
health
and
information.
B
It
is
essential
each
repair
person
is
properly
trained
in
how
not
only
repair
the
device,
but
also
establishes
relationship
with
the
manufacturer
in
order
to
create
a
critical
accountability.
Link
to
protect
consumers,
enabling
untrained
and
unauthorized
third
parties
to
replace
and
repair
device
components
can
result
in
the
disabling
of
key
hardware.
Security
pictures.
B
Our
companies
take
tremendous
pride
in
limiting
their
environmental
impact.
Electronic
product
manufacturers
have
substantial
environmental
accountability
programs
and
have
designed
policies
to
ensure
that
they
are
continuously
improving
the
system
of
building
their
products.
Reducing
the
overall
amounts
of
e-waste
generated
according
to
the
us
epa
data
electronics
are
the
fastest
declining
products
in
the
municipal,
solid
waste
stream.
B
Most
recent
epa
data
shows
that
e-waste
generation
declined
five
percent
annually
and,
according
to
a
recent
study
by
yale
e-waste
generation
in
the
u.s
peaked
in
2015
and
is
the
is
in
the
period
of
extended
decline,
our
companies
have
worked
diligently
to
ensure
customers
have
options
of
simultaneously
protecting
the
security
and
the
integrity
of
their
devices.
For
these
reasons,
we
oppose
this
measure.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration.
C
Thank
you,
mr
dimitri
and
mr
secretary.
Please
note
that
vice
chair,
carlton
hasn't
joined
us
and
please
mark
her
present.
I
apologize
assembly
member
floors.
I
asked
the
committee
if
they
had
questions
and
then
I
moved
on
without
seeing
your
message
so
assembly
member
florence,
I'm
not
sure
if
your
question
is
for
the
current
presenter
or
the
person
who
was
testifying
before,
but
please
close
yours.
R
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
the
opposition
testimony.
So
I
and
I
appreciate
the
sentiment-
and
I
think
of
we
all
probably
echo-
that
sentiment
of
data
privacy
ensuring
that
we're
protecting
the
consumer
at
the
end
of
the
day.
That's
the
whole
point
of
of
engaging
in
this
conversation,
I'm
just
curious
to
understand
the
certification
process.
So
company
a
has
xyz
technology.
R
Obviously
they
have
folk
that
do
repairs
and
they
go
through
a
certification
process
to
ensure
that
x,
y
and
z
are
operating
to
its
full
capacity
and,
if
not
you
take
it
to
them
and
then
they'll
make
sure
they
do
that.
I'm!
I
guess
I'm
curious
to
understand
what
is
the
difference
between
the
certification
process
of
that
company
engaging
in
that
market
and
then
having
a
third
party
going
through
a
similar
certification
process,
training
and
understanding
and
being
able
to
achieve
the
same
objective.
R
I
I'm
sure
I'm
having
a
difficult
time
with
the
with
the
I.
I
guess
I
don't
see
the
line
where
why
this
human,
with
this
training,
is
capable
of
achieving
all
the
safety
standards,
but
not
this
other
individual,
the
third,
the
third
ma
third
party
and-
and
I
think
of
that,
because
I
know
folks
who
work-
and
I
I
see
those
stories
like
the
cell
phone
repair
xyz-
that
there's
a
bunch
of
those
in
my
district
that-
and
I
have
a
friend
of
mine
who
specifically
works
in
that
industry.
R
Who's
actually
in
fact
has
repaired.
The
cell
phone
that
I
use
now
he's
done
numerous
repairs
himself
on
on
this
cell
phone
and
I'm
just
curious
to
understand
where,
where
that
is,
where
is
it
that
that
individual
can't
do
the
repair
and
it's
so
dangerous
for
him
to
do
it?
But
but
not
somebody
from
the
other
company.
I
I
just
see
it
as
everybody
will
get
the
training
they
need.
So
if
you
could
just
help
me
understand
that
please
and
then
I
may
have
a
follow-up
after
that.
Madam
chair.
C
Assembly
member
floors,
mr
brighton
or
mr
dimitri
did
one
of
you
want
to
address
the
assembly
member's.
B
Question
hi
assembly
member:
this
is
camera
to
meet
you
with
tech.
Now
I'll
answer
try
my
best
to
answer
your
question.
I
think
I
think
that
the
nuance
behind
your
particular
question
is
related
to
who
we
have
an
authorized
relationship
with.
We
have
authorized
repair
programs
that
we
do
that
you
can
join
depending
on
the
company,
take
a
20
hour
certification
course:
low
barrier
to
entry
in
12
different
languages
and
be
able
to
provide
that
service.
R
R
Would
that
then
make
you
more
comfortable
in
saying
all
right?
We're
we're
setting
the
floor
for
what
every
individual
tech
working
in
this
space
must
have,
and
if
you
meet
that
minimum
standard,
then
you
can
come
into
the
space.
Would
you
be?
Would
you
be
in
support
of
a
bill
that
that
had
that
specific
language
in
there.
B
C
K
Q
Hi,
my
name
is
rob
jackson,
r-o-b
j-a-c-k-s-o-n.
I
represent
stoke's
equipment,
the
director
of
regional
operations.
We
have
25
locations
across
the
western
u.s
with
one
of
our
locations
in
las
vegas
and
speaker
rearson's
district
overall,
so
I've
been
happy
with
the
conversation
and
the
directions
gone.
I
do
feel
you
know
we're.
Q
Not
cell
phones,
obviously-
and
I
think
that's
been
distinguished
through
several
of
the
comments
that
we've
made-
the
equipment
that
we
we
service
and
we
represent,
has
more
implications
around
safety
and
other
issues
that
I
think
we
would
like
further
clarification
on
what
digital
electric
electronic
equipment
actually
represents.
Let
me
give
you
a
quick
example.
Q
If
someone
were
to
take
a
generator
which
is
under
five
grand
which
does
have
electronic,
you
know
digital
electronic
equipment
as
a
part
of
the
generator
and
they
were
to
alter
the
emissions
or
safety
features
for
any
reason
which
we've
seen
happen.
People
do
it
now,
but
if
we,
if
we
allow
that-
and
we
allow
people
to
alter
any
type
of
of
how
the
machines
operate,
then
there's
seriously
seriously
safety
issues
that
we
have
to
have
to
consider,
and
so
that
originally
was
my
opposition,
especially
was
as
farm
equipment
was
related.
Q
You
change
the
rpms
of
the
limits
on
a
machine.
You
can
have
catastrophic
failures
of
equipment
and
death
or
serious
injury.
You
change
safety
devices.
There's
a
sensor
requirements
on
a
generator.
You
could
have
fires,
you
could
have
electrocution,
you
could
have
other
issues,
so
we're
definitely
not
cell
phones.
I
do
I
do
like
the
idea
of
having
your
cell
phone
repaired
and
your
computer
repaired,
and
I
do
like
the
idea
of
having
more
accessible
options.
Q
We
provide
manuals
and
training
and
equipment.
Consumers
can
even
acquire
the
same
tech
support
that
we
get
as
a
dealership,
that's
currently
offered
through
john
deere.
So
so
I
like
the
direction.
It's
going
in,
I
would
urge
the
committee
to
further,
as
you
discussed,
define
what
digital
electronic
equipment
is,
and
I
would
argue
that
anything
that
has
a
motor
in
it
or
moving
components
that
could
cause
the
damage
of
their
repaired
by
a
consumer.
C
Thank
you,
mr
jackson,
for
your
testimony
broadcasting
next
caller.
Please.
K
O
Good
evening
chair
how
to
get
vice
chair,
carlton
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
timothy
johnson
j-o-h-n-s-o-n,
with
the
entertainment
software
association,
I'm
here
tonight,
respectfully
to
oppose
ab221,
which
seeks
to
create
a
right
to
repair
mandate.
Esa
serves
as
the
voice
and
advocate
for
the
us
video
game
industry.
The
makers
of
all
three
console
systems-
microsoft,
nintendo
and
sony-
are
esa
members.
People
who
play
video
games
represent
a
diverse
cross
section
of
the
united
states
spanning
every
age,
gender
and
ethnicity.
O
Not
only
do
75
of
us,
households
have
at
least
one
gamer
at
home.
Our
industry
also
has
an
economic
footprint
that
touches
every
state
consoles,
offer
security
safeguards
that
help
protect
our
players.
Personal
data
and
sensitive
information
that
may
be
stored
locally
accordingly,
permitting
repair
by
unauthorized
parties
may
create
risks
that
bad
actors
could
exploit.
O
Top
games
can
take
several
years
to
develop
and
cost
tens
of
millions
or,
in
some
cases
more
than
100
million
dollars
to
produce
our
right
to
repair
mandate
poses
a
high
risk
to
video
game
creators
and
other
copyright
owners
who
rely
upon
a
secure
media
ecosystem
of
the
game
console
to
safeguard
their
copyrighted
works
against
sophisticated
piracy
efforts.
Privacy
of
video
games
downloaded
from
the
internet
is
a
billion
dollar
problem
for
the
industry.
O
Tpms
help
create
a
secure
media
platform.
The
biggest
benefit
of
a
secure
media
platform
is
that
it
provides
video
game,
publishers,
music
distributors
and
video
game
streaming
platforms
with
assurances
that
their
content
will
be
safe,
sharing
hardware,
schematics,
sensitive
diagnostic
information
tools
and
security
related
reset
codes
with
unauthorized
third
parties
would
compromise
the
security
of
the
entire
platform
and
harm
console
makers
and
copyright
owners.
It
is
important
important
to
note
here
that
section
1201
of
the
dmca
prohibits
the
trafficking
of
tools
used
to
circumvent
technological
protection.
O
Measures
such
as
those
protecting
video
game
consoles,
a
state
can't
override
federal
law
to
require
tools
be
provided
in
order
for
an
unauthorized
repair
person
to
fix
a
device
if
it
does
there'd
likely
be
preemption
lawsuit
against
the
state.
Every
day
millions
of
americans
enjoy
playing
video
games
on
their
consoles.
The
continued
viability
and
success
of
the
game.
Console
business
is
dependent
upon
a
trustworthy
and
secure
delivery
platform.
O
K
K
O
Hi
fielding
greaves
f-I-e-l-d-I-n-g
last
name:
greaves
g-r-e-a-v-e-s,
I'm
with
the
advanced
medical
technology
association
today
respectfully
opposed
medical
technology,
frequently
incorporates
elements
of
consumer
electronics
like
cameras
and
computers,
so
we
think
we're
squarely
within
the
scope
of
the
bill
and
likewise,
today,
consumer
electronics
play
an
increasingly
important
role
in
health
care.
We're
opposed
in
principle
because
of
the
significant
risks
to
patient
safety
and
cyber
security,
including
the
risks
of
death
or
serious
injury
from
negligent
repair
products,
as
well
as
significant
liability
concerns
that
are
not
addressed
in
the
bill.
O
O
Finally,
independent
repair
people
are
totally
unregulated
today,
no
licensure,
no
training
requirements,
no
oversight
of
this
industry
at
all
in
an
age
of
high
profile,
cyber
attacks
on
hospitals
and
throughout
the
health
care
system
and
consumer
electronics
simply
too
dangerous
and
risks
giving
the
keys
to
the
kingdom
away
to
unknown
third
parties.
We'd.
Please
respectfully
request
your
no
vote
on
the
bill
before
you
today
and
available
to
answer
any
questions.
K
B
Good
evening,
madam
chairman
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
john
kane
j-o-h-n-k-e-a-n-e,
I'm
with
the
association
of
home,
appliance
manufacturers
or
aham,
and
we're
in
opposition
that
ap
221,
hey
here
and
believes
this
progresses.
Formal
safety
concerns
to
fix
or
addressed
ahem
represents
the
entirety
of
the
appliance
industry
from
your
dishwasher
that
you're
going
into
your
refrigerator
data
repairs
include
the
handling
electricity,
gas
and
water.
B
B
B
K
K
E
Good
afternoon,
chair
members
of
the
committee
lisa
mccabe
mcc,
a
b
e
here
on
behalf
of
ctia,
the
trade
association
for
the
wireless
communications
industry
in
opposition
to
ab221.
The
marketplace
already
provides
a
wide
range
of
consumer
choice
for
electronic
repair.
Without
the
mandates
imposed
by
this
legislation.
E
For
example,
manufacturers
have
relationship
with
authorized
repair
providers.
These
providers,
which
include
local
small
businesses,
have
received
the
appropriate
training
from
the
manufacturer
and
have
the
qualifications
to
ensure
that
repairs
are
done
properly
and
safely.
Manufacturers
go
to
great
length
to
produce
products
of
the
highest
quality.
E
Authorized
repair
ensures
that
those
products
maintain
that
high
quality
and
guarantees
that
repairs
meet
manufacturer
standards.
In
addition
to
authorized
repair
providers,
manufacturers
offer
walk-in
repair
options
at
retail,
as
well
as
mailing
service.
Insurance
providers
also
offer
authorized
remote
technicians
that
may
even
travel
to
a
consumer
to
perform
a
repair.
E
For
example,
even
if
an
independent
repair
is
provided
the
technical
information
required
under
this
bill
without
specific
training
on
reassembling
his
device,
they
could
unintentionally
cause
encounter
performance
problems
or
put
stress
on
a
device's
frame
which
could
make
it
break
more
easily
when
dropped
separate
from
authorized
repair.
Ctia
offers
a
learning
management
program
that
creates
a
network
of
independent
repairs
to
help
consumers
identify
qualified
independent
repairers.
E
K
S
S
I
am
the
owner
business
owner
in
nevada,
I'm
an
owner
of
two
farm
equipment,
dealerships
in
lond
and
winnemucca.
We
employ
31
people
full
time
and
I
believe
the
way
that
the
bill
is
written.
It
may
have
some
unintended
unintended
consequences
for
pharma
the
farm
equipment
industry
as
an
equipment
dealer.
We
help
and
service
hundreds
of
farmers
across
the
state.
S
These
customers
currently
have
access
to
service
manuals,
special
tools
and
parts
to
repair
their
machines
and
in
the
very
near
future
they
will
have
access
to
the
computer
diagnostic
programs
that
will
allow
them
to
recode
and
diagnose.
I
know
massey,
ferguson
and
new
holland
who
we
represent
is
in
the
process
of
rolling
that
out.
S
No
further
legislation
is
necessary
and
the
customer
already
has
the
ability
to
repair
their
own
farm
equipment
they
buy
from
us
if
they
choose
one
unintended
consequence
that
would
come
from
this
is
the
customer's
ability
to
have
access
to
change
software
and
engine
controllers.
This
becomes
an
issue
in
two
key
areas:
safety
and
used
equipment,
values.
S
Safety
is
a
concern
because
customers
would
be
able
to
change
the
chip
and
the
engines
to
get
more
horsepower
out
of
them.
More
power
is
not
always
better,
and
these
machines
are
expensive
and
pull
expensive
implements
if
it.
If
a
tractor
is
overpowering
an
implement,
it
is
not
only
bad
for
the
equipment,
but
will
result
in
severe
safety
issues
such
as
the
implant
being
pulled
apart
and
for
the
operator
that
could
result
in
serious
injury
or
death.
S
Secondly,
as
changes
are
made
to
equipment,
it
will
substantially
change
the
trade
in
or
book
value.
The
machines
auctions
are
already
seeing
equipment
that
has
been
altered.
That
will
no
longer
work
correctly
and
are
costing
people
serious
amounts
of
money
to
be
fixed.
We,
as
dealers,
will
not
be
able
to
offer
the
high
trade
values
because
machines
are
altered
and
we
won't
be
able
to
sell
them
unless
we
bring
them
back
to
original
factory
specs.
This
will
hurt
the
farm
equipment
owners.
S
C
Okay,
thank
you
and
members.
I
will
let
you
go
back
to
one
person
who
wished
to
testify
in
opposition
on
video
that
I
couldn't
overskip.
So
I
do
apologize,
mr
alcorn,
but
we
do
have
mr
walter
alcorn
here
to
provide
testimony
in
opposition
as
well.
T
Oh,
thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
testify.
I
I
do
want
to
encourage
the
committee
to
oppose
this
legislation
I
represent.
My
name
is
walter
alcorn,
I'm
the
vice
president
for
environmental
affairs
and
industry,
sustainability
for
the
consumer
technology
association
and
cta
is
probably
best
known
as
the
owners
and
producers
of
ces
and
some
of
the
discussion
earlier.
I
find
quite
interesting.
T
Our
organization
used
to
be
called
the
consumer
electronics
association
and,
of
course,
ces
was
short
for
the
consumer
electronics
show
and
just
to
provide
you
some
insight
into
why
those
names
changed.
T
We
found
that
really
devices
were
not
the
only
thing
that
were
carrying
electronics,
so
some
of
the
discussion
about
about
the
definitions
of
of
basically
there
is
no
definition
in
code
currently
for
consumer
electronics.
Well,
it
has
really
changed
and
we
are
seeing
electronics
embedded
in
so
many
products.
T
That's
been
great
for
ces
and
it's
been
great,
I
think
overall
for
the
economy,
but
I
would
very
much
encourage
you
to
be
cautious
as
you
write
legislation
with
this
kind
of
a
mandate,
because
some
of
the
things
you've
heard-
I
I
don't
know
with
the
internet
of
things
and
electronics
being
embedded
in
as
many
people.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
come
up
with
all
the
exemptions
that
you
would
want.
T
I
would
encourage
you
to
think
carefully
about
that.
As
you
know,
ces
is
the
largest
business
gathering
in
the
united
states,
if
not
the
world,
depending
on
on
how
you
count
that
it
brings
about
290
million
dollars
a
year,
at
least
in
a
non-pandemic
year
to
the
state's
economy,
and
my
comment
is
just
going
to
focus
on
some
of
the
environmental
issues
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
T
In
the
united
states,
as
was
mentioned
by
a
speaker
earlier,
but
the
discussion
about
smartphones,
which
I
think
has
been
a
focus
of
a
lot
of
the
folks
around
this
legislation-
the
the
idea
that
that
people
are
throwing
away,
smartphones
and
other
mobile
devices-
it's
just
not
backed
up
by
the
data
we
we
at
cta,
we
do
every
couple
years,
a
national
consumer
survey
and
we
ask
folks
what
they
do
with
their
various
products
when
they're
done
with
them,
and
what
we
found
is
that
only
two
percent
of
consumers
actually
throw
their
old
smartphone
in
the
trash
and,
of
course,
they're
not
throwing
their
smartphone
in
the
trash,
because
it's
valuable
ten
times
that
many
or
twenty
percent
of
consumer
respondents
say
that
they
trade
it
in
well,
they
trade
it
in
because
there's
reuse
value
because
there's
value
in
these
used
devices
they
actually
are
being
repaired
and
by
the
way
three
times
as
many
as
throw
them
away,
give
them
away
or
they
sell
them
or
another
three
times
as
many
recycle
them.
T
So
you
know
there.
There
actually
is
a
very
vibrant
and
active,
reuse
and
repair
market
out
there.
I
think
one
of
the
things
we're
hearing
is
it's
a
fight
about
who
does
it
and
a
fight
about
market
share?
So
you
know
there
may
be
some
other
reasons
that
you
choose
to
enact
legislation
like
this,
but
I
you
know
the
concern
about
e-waste.
Is
it
should
not
be
one
of
them?
It's
just
not
backed
up
by
the
data.
I'll.
T
Just
close
by
saying
I
was
very
interested
in
the
the
speaker
earlier
who's
an
authorized
printer
repair
professional.
I
don't
know
what
happened
in
that
situation
that
that's
actually
that's.
That's
not
some
situation
that
I've
heard
before
at
a
hearing
like
this,
but
certainly
you
know
as
as
a
representative
manufacturers
and
retailers.
We
would
want
to
make
sure
that
that
this
these
products
are
repaired
correctly
and
then,
when
they're
completely
done
with
their
useful
life
that
they're
recycled
appropriately.
R
Hi
good
afternoon,
sir,
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
and-
and
I
don't
know
that,
if
necessarily
a
question
that
you
are
best
positioned
to
answer.
But
I've
heard
now
the
mention
that
this
legislation
has
been
proposed
by
numerous
other
states
and
or
something
similar.
R
Obviously,
the
industry
did
not
mean
for
that
to
occur,
but
this
notion
that
somehow
allowing
more
people
to
come
into
the
space
that
we
we
we're
transparent
and
that
we
allow
more
market
share
to
just
general
small
businesses
is
going
to
somehow
create
an
environment
where
everybody
is
being
reckless.
I
just
have
a
hard
time
understanding
where
that's
coming
from
what
what
data
supports
that
that
notion
right,
I
will
take
a
vehicle
to
get.
I
take
I'm
very
big
on
cars.
I
love
my
cars.
I
will
go
to
five
different
shops
and
they'll.
R
Tell
me
I
can't
do
that,
I'm
not
equipped.
I
don't
have
the
knowledge,
I
don't
have
the
the
training,
the
expertise
and
until
I
find
the
right
shop
to
be
able
to
do
that-
and
I
and
I
see
this
with
technology-
doing
the
same
thing
right,
we'll
open
the
playing
field.
We
let
people
come
into
the
space,
but
that
doesn't
mean
everybody's
gonna
partake
in
it.
R
Not
everybody's
gonna
participate,
not
everybody's
gonna
say:
let's
do
it,
so
I'm
just
trying
I'm
having
a
hard
time
understanding
this
notion
that
if
we
open
it
and
allow
more
people
to
come
into
this
space,
where
we
have
these
concerns
that
have
been
raised,
why
that
is
going
to
yield
to
all
of
a
sudden
everybody's
just
going
to
be
doing
all
these
repairs
and
causing
harm
to
the
consumer.
If
you
could
help
me
understand
that
a
little
bit
better.
T
Sure,
if
I
could
respond,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
question
a
couple
of
thoughts.
I
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
that
consumer
electronics
manufacturers
are
so
sensitive
is
their
business
model
is
braced
is
based
on
their
brand
reputation,
and
these
these
are,
I
think,
by
most
people's
tracking
the
most
valuable
brands
in
the
world
and
and
unlike
cars,
unlike
cars,
you
know,
whenever
you
get
say
a
five-year-old
one
of
these.
T
You
at
this
point,
don't
expect
others
other
than
say
the
manufacturer,
their
authorized
representative
to
have
gotten
inside
it
and
put
different
parts
in
it
or
something
like
that.
It's
just
how
we've
gotten
here
to
this
part
and
I
think
the
the
concern
that
that
these
companies
have
in
protecting
their
brands
and
these
products
still
carry
their
names
on
them
is
in
particular
that
the
repairs
will
be
done
wrong
or
that
substandard
parts
will
be
included,
and-
and
basically
you
know,
the
customer
experience
would
be
different.
T
That's
been
the
driver
and-
and
I
think-
and
I
I
don't
want
to
criticize
anybody
for
for
thinking
about
this
idea
in
general,
because,
frankly,
the
organization
that
I
work
for
cta
when
automobile
repair
came
up
about
seven
eight
years
ago,
we
supported
it
and
for
some
of
the
same
reasons
that
I
think
you're
sympathetic
to
it,
I
mean
you
work
on
cars,
I
mean
we
have
a
tremendous
history
in
this
country
of
diy
repairs
of
of
independent
repair
shops
on
automobiles.
T
But
you
know
what,
as
an
organization
as
the
as
the
car
industry
has
changed
and
evolved,
and
now
we're
actually
talking
about
you
know.
Safety
features
we're
talking
about
self-driving
vehicles.
We
no
longer
weigh
in
on
that
issue
because
the
industry
has
changed.
Cars
have
changed
and
you
know:
bumpers
now
have
sensors
in
them
that
are
tied
into
their
computer
systems
and,
and
things
have
gotten
a
lot
more
complicated.
R
R
T
C
T
C
C
K
P
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
defer
to
assemblywoman
peters
who's.
Gonna
clarify
a
couple
things
for
the
record
and
then
I'll
go
ahead
and
get
the
closing
remarks.
H
Thank
you,
assemblywoman
torres,
assemblywoman,
peters
for
the
record.
I
think
it's
really
interesting
that
mr
alcorn
said
that
one
of
the
most
important
parts
of
the
like
business
model
of
these
these
tech
companies
is
that
is
their
how
they're
represented
to
their
commun
their
users
right,
and
I
think
that
that
kind
of
is
in
line
with
what
assemblyman
floors
was
saying
about
car
maintenance
and
that
the
word
of
mouth
means
a
lot
when
you're
dealing
with
someone's,
really
expensive
purchase
and
for
some
people
for
most
people.
H
I
think
a
phone
is
one
of
the
biggest
purchases
of
their
life.
A
gaming
console
is
one
of
the
biggest
purchases
of
their
life,
and
that
is
worth
you
know,
taking
the
time
to
vet
out
who
you
take
those
pieces
of
equipment
to.
I
also
would
be
interested
to
see
if
they
have
a
survey
of
folks
and
their
experiences
at
the
genius
bar
and
just
how
well
that
rates
among
users.
Of
that
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
idea
of
of
environmental
waste.
H
When
I
was
12,
I
built
my
first
computer
from
scratch
when
I
bought
my
first
laptop
in
college.
I
was
so
disappointed
that
I
couldn't
do
the
work
on
it
myself
that
I
had
to
find
somebody
to
repair
it
for
me,
then
I
bought
my
second
laptop
and
I
couldn't
find
anybody
to
repair
it
for
me
because
it
cost
too
much
to
find
the
repair
pieces
and
they
told
me
to
just
buy
a
new
one
I
hear
most
from
constituents
about.
H
Where
can
they
find
a
place
to
recycle
or
reuse
their
their
tech
equipment,
their
cell
phones
printers
gaming
devices?
I
myself,
as
an
environmentalist,
have
a
pile
in
my
basement
of
old
tech
equipment
that
I
can't
find
a
place
to
take
because
it
costs
too
much
to
pull
it
apart
and
recycle
it
and
nobody
repairs
them
anymore.
H
H
I
also
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
replacement
of
components
within
those
devices,
so
we
heard
a
lot
about
the
idea
of
data
security,
of
breaking
the
digital
information
on
phones,
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
when
you
are
replacing
components
of
a
phone,
it's
not
the
digital
information
held
on
the
phone.
You
replace
it
with
a
chip
that
has
the
digital
components
already
on
it
and
it's
typically
an
authorized
chip.
H
H
H
I
don't
think
you
go
into
the
mate,
the
the
the
work
of
technology
without
having
some
vested
interest
in
the
parts
and
pieces
that
you
use
and
in
finding
ways
to
make
it
operational
again,
and
it
is
so
defeating
it
is
so
defeating
and
from
experience
to
not
be
able
to
work
on
your
own
equipment
to
not
be
able
to
make
something
function
again,
that
you
know
you
have
the
capacity
to
do
you
just
can't
find
the
resources
to
do
it,
I'm
going
to
pass
it
back
to
assemblywoman
torres.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you
so
much
peters
for
your
remarks.
This
is
assemblyman
torres
for
the
record,
I'm
going
to
reiterate
a
point
that
was
made
previously
in
this
committee
hearing
and
there's
currently
over
25
states.
Looking
at
policy
like
this
and
the
reason
we're
looking
at
policy
like
this
is
because
consumers
across
the
nation
know
that
it's
time
for
us
to
be
able
to
just
fix
our
stuff.
I'd
like
to
address
a
couple
points
from
the
opposition,
I
mean,
I
really
appreciate
the
support,
the
support
and
opposition
for
coming
together
to
discuss
this
legislation
today.
G
I
know
various
industries
have
asked
us
to
strengthen
the
definition
of
consumer
electronics
and
I'm
committed
to
considering
this
discussion.
In
fact,
I've
emailed
them
a
couple
of
them
throughout
this
hearing
to
ensure
that
we
set
up
those
meetings
in
a
timely
manner.
We've
all
heard
a
lot
of
concerns
about
cyber
cyber
security
and
consumer
privacy
and
allowing
for
independent
repair
providers
does
not
put
the
consumer
at
a
greater
danger
than
they
have
by
giving
their
password
to
a
friend
or
key
to
the
cleaning
company
or
the
pole
guy.
G
I
just
give
the
key
to
somebody
and
say
just
go:
do
it
because
I
know
I'm
not
going
to
be
home
until
late
in
the
evening,
and
many
of
us
do
that
that
puts
our
house
at
as
much
danger
up,
if
not
more
than
it
does,
when
we
give
them
the
then,
when
we
just
give
our
cell
phone
over
I'm
open
to
language
that
permits
for
tech
companies
to
impose
certification
requirements
and
create
contracts
between
tech
companies
and
independent
repair
shops,
and
I've
said
that
over
and
over
again
before
this
hearing
in
meetings
and
again
during
this
hearing,
that
I'm
open
to
that
amendment,
technet
said
that
there
are
certification
programs
available
at
some
tech
companies.
G
Some
tech
companies,
and
I
appreciate
that
they
have
those
programs
in
place,
and
I
want
to
see
us
be
able
to
expand
those
programs
so
that
we
have
more
independent
repair
providers
here
in
the
state
of
nevada.
Like
I've
said
in
this
committee
and
in
this
meeting,
I'm
open
to
continuing
to
work
with
every
single
stakeholder
to
create
a
floor
or
a
mandatory
training
for
independent
repair
shops
that
wish
to
have
access
to
the
schematics
manuals
tools
and
parts.
G
I
hear
that
that
is
one
of
the
concerns
that
I'm
willing
to
work
on
that,
but
I
also
hear
from
my
independent
repair
providers
that
this
should
be
accessible,
that
there
should
be
a
mechanism
for
them
to
achieve
that
goal
to
the
argument
that
lithium
ion
batteries
are
dangerous.
G
You
know
there
aren't
too
many
people
in
this
legislative
body
that
understands
the
danger
of
batteries
more
than
I
a
former,
I
don't
know
how
else
to
say
it,
but
a
former
battery
person,
and
so
you
know
I
understand
that
argument
and
I
think
it's
extremely
important
that
you
know
there's
correct
labeling
and
I
believe
that
there's
currently
some
federal
mandates
for
how
we
label
items
that
are
flammable
items
that
are
dangerous.
G
And
I
you
know,
I'm
open
to
continuing
to
perhaps
putting
that
into
this
legislation
that
any
dangerous
component
is
properly
labeled
and
identified
and
how
to
put
it
out
as
a
part
of
that
packaging
as
well.
I
hear
that
concern.
You
know
to
the
concern
that
this
bill
is
not
needed
in
nevada.
G
I
think
every
single
small
business
owner
who
called
in
today
every
single
consumer
who
called
in
today
to
say
that
it
was
necessary,
would
disagree,
and
I
think
that
this
is
very
much
a
piece
of
legislation
that
we
need
here
in
nevada
and
I
think
25
other
states
would
agree
with
us.
I
want
the
members
of
this
committee
to
think
about
their
cars.
G
When
has
it
been
acceptable
for
you
to
be
required
to
go
to
your
dealer,
replace
a
tire
on
your
car
or
the
bumper
on
your
car
and
if
it
stopped
working
every
single
time,
you
went
to
a
mechanic
that
wasn't
at
the
dealer.
This
committee
would
be
enraged.
This
bill
prevents
substandard
parts
from
being
put
in
these
devices
because
it
requires
that
tech
industries
make
the
original
oem
parts
and
the
tools
independent
repair
providers
need
to
diagnose
them
available.
So
they
can
provide
the
consumer
with
a
phone
that
is
the
same.
G
G
When
a
consumer
purchases
a
product,
they
should
have
the
right
to
repair
it,
and
this
will
create
some
competition
for
tech
companies,
but
I
think
that
this
is
what's
best
for
nevada,
consumers
and
nevada.
Small
businesses,
independent
repair
providers
throughout
nevada
are
small
businesses.
Expanding
access
to
repair
shops
will
help
nevadans
find
gainful
employment
and
will
help
nevadans
consumers
repair
their
devices.
I
urge
you
to
support
ab221.
C
K
P
Begin
hi,
my
name
is
cyrus
hojatti
c-y-r-u-s-h-o-j-j-a-t-y
I've
seen
a
lot
of
progressive
organizations
out
there
and
I
do
listen
to
many
progressive
broadcasts,
but
I've
noticed
many
of
these
organizations
are
missing
out
on
a
lot
of
important
issues.
If
you
look
at
plan
and
many
others,
they
don't
talk
about
the
greed
and
recklessness
of
wall
street.
They
don't
talk
about
their
grotesque
levels
of
income
inequality
where
ceos
making
500
times
a
typical
employee.
I
don't
even
hear
that
from
the
culinary
union.
They
don't
talk
about
campaign
finance
reform.
P
They
don't
talk
about
the
ongoing
military
interventions
overseas,
which
is
actually
intensifying.
They
don't
talk
about
the
abusive
lobbying
power
of
many
sectors,
like
casino
lobby,
I
think
what's
happening
is
they're
focusing
too
much
on
social
justice
issues,
in
other
words,
they're
more
focused
on
racial
pay
gap,
but
not
so
much
on
ceo
and
worker
pay
gap.
But
unfortunately
you
know
with
the
recent
elections
of
the
nevada
democratic
party
chair,
I'm
very
optimistic
judith
whitmer
won.
I
know
her.
I've
had
great
conversations
with
her
she's
really
aware
of
these
issues.
P
She's
really
aware
of
the
dirty
political
machine
in
the
state
and
hopefully
all
nevadans
can
unite
and
we
can
work
together.
Have
a
common
goal,
get
the
elephant
out
of
the
room
and
we
can
send
a
message
all
across
the
united
states.
So
I
understand
there's
a
lot
of
important
issues,
but
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
important
issues
are
being
tossed
out
of
the
window.
Thank
you.
So
much.
C
So
much
broadcasting
I
want
to
just
take
a
moment
to
thank
broadcasting
thank
our
committee
staff
and
thank
all
of
the
members
for
being
here
on
a
monday
evening.
I
appreciate
all
of
the
great
questions
of
the
great
discussion
with
that.
Our
committee
meeting
today
is
adjourned.
Our
next
meeting
is
scheduled
for
wednesday
at
1
pm.
Thank
you,
members
on
broadcasting
and
committee
staff.
Thank
you
for
meeting
the.