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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
back
to
the
second
part
of
assembly
committee
on
growth
and
infrastructure,
the
committee
member
meeting
will
now
come
back
to
order
from
our
recess
earlier.
Madam
secretary,
we
do
have
a
quorum
of
members
in
the
meeting.
Presently
we
do
have
a
few
that
are
making
presentations
in
other
committees
and
they
will
join
us
momentarily.
A
With
that
I
know
everyone's
eager
to
go
home,
so
I
am
going
to
just
remind
our
presenters
that
comments
during
public
comment
or
testimony
on
the
two
bills
we
will
be
hearing
tonight.
The
comments
are
limited
to
two
minutes:
each.
We
will
get
15
minutes
for
support
opposition
and
those
that
wish
to
testify
in
the
neutral.
A
We
have
only
two
bills
for
tonight
and
we
will
open
the
bill
hearing
at
this
time
with
assembly
bill
411
and
that
assembly
bill
will
be
presented
by
one
of
our
own
committee
members.
This
assemblywoman
brown
may,
whenever
you
are
ready
assemblywoman
the
floor
is
yours.
B
My
fellow
committee
members
will
do
our
very
best
to
make
this
quick
for
the
record.
My
name
is
assemblywoman
tracy
brownmay,
I
represent
assembly
district
42
within
clark
county.
I
am
here
to
present
to
you
assemblyville
411,
for
your
consideration,
which
would
allow
nevada's
gasoline
retailers
the
option
of
selling
gasoline
containing
ethanol
to
a
higher
percentage,
we're
looking
at
increasing
the
current
10
percent
cap
to
15
ethanol
by
volume,
and
this
is
current
commonly
referred
to
as
e-15
fuel.
B
We've
heard
from
several
presenters
before
this
committee
about
the
state
climate
strategy
and
how
gas
combustion
engines
used
in
the
transportation
sector
are
significant.
Contributors
to
nevada's
greenhouse
gas
emissions
for
approximately
20
years
have
been
studies
on
greenhouse
gases
and
the
reductions
that
can
be
realized
with
the
addition
of
biofuels,
such
as
ethanol
to
gasoline.
C
B
Equivalent
gas
quantity
of
gasoline
so
now
that
america's
ten
years
from
that
study,
researchers
from
the
us
department
of
agriculture
reanalyzed
the
data
to
find
that
actually
corn
ethanol
is
current
greenhouse
gas
profile
is
39
to
43
lower
than
gasoline,
which
is
nearly
twice
the
original
estimate
offered
in
the
2010
study.
So
the
same
study
created
two
different
projected
scenarios.
B
It
found
that
there
are
opportunities
to
produce
ethanol
with
emissions
that
are
40
to
70
47
to
70
percent
lower
than
gasoline,
and
a
reduction
of
one
half
to
two-thirds
of
emissions
from
motor
vehicles
could
be
could
result
in
a
substantial
step
toward
meeting
nevada's
climate
strategy
goals.
So
in.
B
There
are
also
consumer
benefits
compared
to
e-10
fuel,
which
is
currently
available
for
purchase
across
nevada
and
many
other
states.
E-15
field
costs
an
average
of
to
15
cents,
less
a
gallon,
and
so
for
many
nevadans.
That
could
be
a
good
economic
impact,
especially
following
the
kova
19
pandemic.
B
The
epa
has
approved
the
use
of
e-15
fuel
for
light
duty
and
passenger
vehicles
since
2011
under
the
clean
air
act,
waiver
request
and
it's
currently
available
for
sale
in
30
states
and
approximately
2
000
filling
stations.
Nationwide
studies
show
us
that
there's
no
evidence
of
increased
damage
to
vehicle
parts,
so
reduced
vehicle
performance
associated
with
switching
from
e-10
to
e-15
fuels
and
light
duty
vehicles
made
after
2001.
B
So
the
bill
summary
very
simply,
ab411
makes
a
change
to
the
nevada,
revised
statute
590.070,
to
require
the
state
board
of
agriculture
to
allow
by
regulation
the
sale
of
fuels
containing
up
to
15
ethanol
by
volume.
It
does
not
mandate
or
otherwise
require
any
fuel
retailer
to
sell
e15
fuel.
So
it's
not
a
mandate
on
anyone,
that's
already
selling
gas,
and
it
does
not
require
the
purchase
of
e-15
fuel
or
require
any
vehicle
dealer
to
make
any
modification
to
any
vehicle.
B
That's
marketed
for
sale
here
in
nevada.
It
simply
allows
an
option
for
the
sale
and
purchase
of
e-15
fuels,
which
provides
additional
choices
to
all
of
our
our
stakeholders,
meaning
all
of
our
everyone
who
purchases
gas
anywhere.
Now
there
are
a
number
of
items
that
would
not
use
e15
fuel,
so
it
would
be
specific
to
only
retailers
that
wanted
to
carry
it
now.
Joining
me
today,
for
this
presentation
is
mr
brooke
coleman.
B
D
Thank
you,
chairman
monroe
mourinho
and
members
of
the
committee.
For
the
record.
My
name
is
brooke
coleman.
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
advanced
biofuels
business
council,
where
we
represent
leaders
in
the
effort
to
commercialize
advanced
low-carbon
biofuels
across
the
united
states
I'll
go
quickly.
I
know
your
agenda
has
been
quite
full.
I've
witnessed
it
myself,
so
we
believe
assembly
bill.
411
411
is
common
sense
legislation
that
will
bring
nevada
in
alignment
with
the
vast
majority
of
the
rest
of
the
country.
D
We
want
to
thank
the
assembly
committee
and
assemblywoman
brown
may
for
her
leadership
on
this
important
matter.
I'm
here
to
testify
on
one
piece
of
this,
which
is
essentially
nevada's
readiness
to
use
e15
the
viability
of
b15
in
nevada,
as
assemblywoman
brown
may
noted,
e15
is
offered
to
consumers
and
already
in
more
than
30
states
without
issue.
D
E15
is
actually
legal
for
use
in
more
than
45
states,
and
that's
where
our
bill
is
focused
on
this
is
a
road
tested
product
that
has
many
benefits
and
has
not
had
any
safety
or
compatibility
incidents
across
the
country.
American
drivers
have
logged
more
than
17
billion
miles
on
e15
without
issue,
as
this
is
a
well-tested
product.
D
D
The
bottom
line
is
assembly
built
411
will
bring
nevada
into
alignment
with
most
of
the
country
and
open
the
door
for
a
cleaner
and
cheaper
fuel
plan.
I'd
like
to
thank
the
committee
for
the
time
to
present
this
measure,
which
could
be
also
an
important
step
in
nevada
reaching
to
for
reaching
its
stated
climate
change
goals.
We
have
spoken
with
many
stakeholders
and
are
pleased
to
have
achieved
alignment
on
this
measure.
D
B
Thank
you.
We
do
want
to
extend
our
sincere
gratitude
for
the
opportunity
to
present
this.
I
would
like
to
extend
a
sincere
appreciation
to
my
colleague,
assemblyman
watts,
for
the
opportunity
to
learn
about
e-15
fuel
and
its
impact
on
how
we
can
help
our
residents
here
in
nevada.
I
also
want
to
thank
administrator
lovato
from
the
nevada
department
of
environmental
protection,
who
really
was
able
to
teach
us
about
the.
B
That
we
were
able
to
mitigate
as
well
as
director
ott
from
the
nevada
department
of
agriculture
and
this
cadence
matijevic,
who,
I
believe
is
planning
to
call
in
a
neutral
relative
to
this
issue,
so
may
be
available
for
questions.
If
you
have
any,
but
thank
you
and
we
are
available
for
questions.
A
E
Dang
machine,
I
do
have
some
questions,
you
know
they
say,
there's
no
problem
with
ethanol,
but
there
is
on
on
older
motorcycles.
E
B
Thank
you,
man,
allison
tracy
brown
may,
for
the
record.
I
am
happy
to
respond
to
that.
You
are
absolutely
correct.
E15
fuel
is
not
intended
for
use
in
many
items
like
lawn
mowers,
and
it
can
have
an
adverse
reaction,
you're
correct,
which
is
why
it
would
simply
be
one
option
at
the
pump.
B
It
would
be
labeled
appropriately
and
it
would
it
so
it's
an
option
for
vehicles
and
it
has
been
determined
safe
in
other
ways,
so
in
the
same
way
that
diesel
fuel
is
appropriately
labeled
at
the
pump
and
can
only
be
used
for
certain
engines,
a
fuel
with
an
increased
ethanol
percentage
would
be
so
so
ruled
out.
In
our
conversations
with
the
department
of
agriculture,
they
already
have
a
plan
to
roll
out
fuel
with
an
increased
ethanol
content.
So
we
can
see
that
that's
happening.
B
Currently,
our
statutes
don't
allow
us
to
do
that.
So
this
is
simply
enabling
language,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
the
federal
department
of
environmental
protection
is
also
working
on
regulations.
There
are
also
instances
across
nevada
currently
where
you
can
have
fuel
at
an
ethanol
of
85.
So
e15
is
only
one.
It's
an
option
for
motor
vehicles
if
you
so
choose,
and
there
are
typically
notices
on
the
newer
cars
that
will
tell
you
what
type
of
fuel
your
car
can
can
take,
but
I
would
not
recommend
e15
fuel
for
your
lawnmower.
You
are
correct.
E
And
you
know
I
drive
across
I-80
from
northern
all
the
way
down
to
here
twice
a
week
and
I've
been
looking
at
the
ethanol
on
the
pumps
and
watching
all
the
signs
I've
yet
to
seen,
even
though
the
ethanol
might
be
cheaper.
But
it's
not
if
you
look
at
the
sign,
unless
I
just
recommend
that
everybody
that's
got
an
older
car,
please
go
to
the
white
fuel
which
you
just
you
just
said
that
so
I'm
just
giving
everybody
education.
E
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
guess
my
question
is
maybe
I
missed
it
in
the
presentation,
but
is
there
some
regulation
or
or
statute
like
that
that
prohibits
certain
stations
from
distributing
this
type
of
fuel
currently.
B
Thank
you,
assemblyman
levitt,
assemblywoman,
tracy
brownmay
for
the
record,
through
you,
madam
sure,
to
mr
assemblyman
levitt
there.
Currently
it's
my
understanding
that
we
are
only
in
nevada,
allowed
to
sell
alcohol
up
to
10
ethanol
and
that
this
would
enable
the
increased
percentage
to
15.
B
Now
it's
also
something
that
the
department
of
agriculture
is
already
working
on
and
would
be
rolled
out
through
regulations
within
their
department
within
the
coming
12
to
18
months.
So
this
simply
enables
the
the
department
to
be
able
to
move
on
those
expected
regulations
earlier,
and
it
shows
the
retailers
that
they
can
plan
for
a
15
ethanol.
A
All
right
seeing
that,
then
we
will
go
to
testimony
and
we'll
start
with
testimony
in
support
of
assembly
bill
411
and
we'll
start
with
those
that
are
on
zoom
who
have
joined
us
to
testify
and
support.
Is
there
anyone
on
zoom
that
would
like
to
testify
in
support
of
assembly
bill
411.
A
F
Mourinho,
this
is
alyssa
dave
worth
we're
actually
also
on
behalf
of
mr
coleman,
and
we
support
this
we're
just
here
to
answer
questions
transactionally,
because
we've
been
working
on
this
issue
for
the
last
18
months.
We
are
good.
A
C
A
C
G
G
Should
the
bill
pass
and
be
signed
by
the
governor,
the
department
of
agriculture
will
support
the
board
of
agriculture
in
the
promulgation
of
regulations
necessary
to
carry
out
the
provisions
of
the
bill.
We
do
expect
that
there
will
be
considerable
engagement
from
industry
and
from
other
governmental
agencies
on
these
regulations
and
we're
committed
to
completing
the
necessary
due
diligence
to
complete
the
administrative
rulemaking
process.
G
However,
given
that
the
board
of
agriculture
and
the
department
of
agriculture
does
not
control
all
components
of
the
regulation-making
process,
it
may
be
challenging
to
complete
the
adoption
of
these
regulations
by
the
effective
date
included
in
the
bill
as
introduced.
We're
appreciative
of
assemblywoman
brown
may's
conceptual
amendment.
That'll
allow
additional
time
to
complete
the
administrative
rulemaking
process.
G
Additionally,
we'd
like
to
go
on
record
confirming
our
understanding
that
the
intent
of
the
bill
is
not
to
prohibit
the
sale
of
certain
motor
vehicle
fuels
containing
more
than
15
ethanol
by
volume.
Despite
language
at
line
five
of
page
two
of
the
bill,
which
states
not
more
than
fifteen
percent
ethanol
by
volume,
we
feel
that
this
clarification
of
intent
is
important,
given
that
existing
regulations
allow
for
the
sale
of
ethanol
flex,
fuel
also
known
as
ead5,
which
contains
51
percent
to
83
ethanol.
Thank
you.
A
H
Good
evening,
caroline
monroe
moreno
members
of
committee
for
the
record
greg
lovato
administrator
of
the
nevada
division
of
my
rental
protection.
I'm
testifying
neutral
on
av-411,
so,
as
originally
drafted,
the
bill
may
have
some
unintended
but
potentially
significant
consequences
that
we
think
can
be
addressed
by
allowing
more
time
for
enactment
of
the
regulations-
and
I
know
this
has
been
pretty
dynamic
and
we've
been
trying
to
talk
to
different
folks,
but
we
think
allowing
an
effective
date
of
january.
H
2023
would
provide
adequate
time
to
make
sure
outreach
and
communication
on
fuel
compatibility
with
all
underground
storage
tank
systems
will
be
assured
and
could
remove
our
fiscal
note.
So,
just
all
briefly
talk
about
air
quality
and
then
water
quality
concerns
related
to
air
quality.
We
know
that
e15
is
not
an
appropriate
fuel
for
pre-2000
motor
vehicles
and
non-road
engines
and
that
use
of
e15
in
this
equipment
could
result
in
impairment
of
engine
emission
controls
and
increased
pollutant
emissions.
H
Recent
department
of
motor
vehicles
data
indicates
that
there
are
more
than
280
000
pre-2000
vehicles
registered
in
nevada
labeling.
To
make
consumers
aware
of
the
compatibility
limitation
of
e-15
will
be
critical
and
as
echoed
from
department
of
agriculture,
we
want
to
make
sure
not
to
prohibit
use
of
fuels
that
up
to
e85
so
pertaining
to
water.
Quality.
H
E15
is
not
compatible
with
certain
underground
fuel
tank
system
components.
It
may
increase
frequency
of
leaks
and
tanks
that
have
components
or
tank
systems
that
aren't
resistant
to
these
higher
concentrations
of
ethanol
prior.
I
H
A
I
think
thank
you
so
much
mr
lovato,
for
joining
us
and
for
the
comments,
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
reach
out
to
assemblywoman
brownme
first
thing
in
the
morning
to
discuss
the
items
of
the
bill
that
you
are
in
opposition
with
to
see.
If
you
can
come
to
some
resolution,
if
this
bill
is
going
to
move,
it
will
move
through
our
committee
tomorrow
during
our
work
session,
which
will
be
at
the
call
of
the
chair.
But
I
encourage
you
to
reach
out
to
her
and
then
for
your
written
comments.
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Now
I
sincerely
look
look
forward
to
working
through
the
fiscal
note
issue,
which
is
a
surprise
to
me
at
this
late
hour,
but
but
I'm
certainly
happy
to
talk
it
through
and
see
if
we
can
come
to
an
agreement
in
order
to
move
this
forward
tomorrow
morning.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
members
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
the
bill
herring
for
assembly,
bill
411,
and
we
will
close
that
hearing
and
move
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
assembly
bill
for,
and
I
believe
the
presenters
are
on.
Zoom
miss
piper
overstreet
hi
good
evening.
Welcome
to
government
to
growth
and
infrastructure,
and
the
floor
is
yours.
F
Mr
elliptical
will
take
you
through
a
brief
slide
deck,
which
has
also
been
provided
to
you
as
an
exhibit,
in
addition
to
several
pieces
of
written
testimony
and
support.
Before
I
get
started,
though,
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
context.
The
intent
of
this
bill
really
is
just
to
update
sections
of
nrs
chapter
484
to
reflect
advancements
in
the
autonomous
vehicle
technology
industry,
specifically
autonomous
vehicles
that
are
designed
for
transporting
goods
as
a
poor
as
opposed
to
people.
F
So
with
that,
I
know
we're
trying
to
be
brief,
but
thorough,
so
I'll
pass
it
over
to
mr
lipka
to
get
started.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
J
Hello,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
chair
monroe,
moreno
and
and
members
of
the
committee.
This
is
matthew
lipka
speaking
on
behalf
of
neuro
in
support
of
ab412
and
I'm
sharing
my
screen.
Hopefully
you
can.
I
can
see
that.
J
Great,
thank
you
so
neuro
briefly
to
introduce
neuro
neuro
is
a
autonomous
delivery
company.
We
are
building
a
on-road
vehicle
that
operates
fully
autonomously,
specifically
for
local
goods,
delivery
of
of
items
like
groceries
or
medicine.
We
have
a
vehicle
that
we've
custom
designed
that
has
no
space
for
any
human
occupants.
It
is
the
vehicle
itself.
The
software
and
the
operations
are
all
done
in-house.
At
neuro.
J
We
have
actually
been
operating
a
service
commercially
since
2018,
first
in
arizona
and
now
also
in
texas,
to
do
deliveries
in
partnership
with
kroger.
Their
brand
is
smith's
in
nevada
and
as
well
as
cvs
and
other
partners
and
the
the
way
it
works.
Is
you
go
online?
You
say:
want
milk
egg
cheese
this
time
today
our
vehicle
will
go
to
the
store
it'll,
be
loaded
by
an
employee.
There,
we'll
then
come
to
your
home
you'll
get
a
text
to
meet
us
at
the
curb.
J
You'll
enter
a
pin
code,
the
door
will
open,
you'll
grab
your
stuff
tap
done
and
it
drives
away
autonomously.
J
In
addition,
the
we've
seen
an
increased
need
for
contactless
delivery
over
the
past
year
and
we've
seen
increased
demand
for
for
the
grocery
and
and
cvs
services,
but
we've
also
partnered
with
food
banks
in
three
different
states
to
do
deliveries
to
those
in
need,
mass
deliveries
and
with
two
california,
emergency
services,
hospitals
to
transport,
medical
supplies
and
food
into
the
patient
areas.
J
We
also
are
playing
have
plans
to
open
a
testing
facility
in
clark
county,
which
we
anticipate
will
initially
have
60
employees
and
about
a
little
over
a
million
investment
in
the
first
year
growing
to
four
million
dollars
over
time.
We
view
this
as
the
first
step
into
our
entrance
into
the
state
and
are
looking
forward
to
operating,
ultimately
a
commercial
service
as
well
as
potentially
other
operational
operations
facilities
and
this
testing
facility.
I
should
note,
is
a
closed
course.
Testing
facility.
J
As
this
is
r2
our
custom
vehicle
and
in
action,
wallace
plays
just
a
few
words
about
how
we
prioritize
safety
we've
designed
software.
That
is
able
to
avoid
any
of
the
human
causes
of
car
crashes,
that
the
vehicle
has
cameras,
lidar
and
radar
sensors,
as
well
as
other
sensors
that
enables
it
to
see
360
degrees.
J
One
of
the
key
parts
of
our
approach
is
to
build
this
custom
vehicle
that
has
no
space
for
human
occupants.
That,
of
course,
reduces
the
number
of
people
on
the
road,
but
it
also
means
that
we
can
build
a
vehicle
that
is
narrower,
lighter
weight
and
designed
to
protect
those
that
are
outside
the
vehicle
over
those
that
are
inside
because
there's
no
occupants.
J
Finally,
from
an
operations
point
of
view,
we
put
a
lot
of
emphasis
on
operational
safety.
We
of
course
train
our
operators
very
thoroughly.
We
have
fleet
teams
that
are
able
to
respond
if
there's
ever
an
issue
that
are
based
locally
wherever
we
operate
the
service
and
we
have
the
ability
to
remotely
monitor
the
vehicle
become.
Have
it
come
to
a
safe
stop
as
well
as
the
vehicle
itself
has
that
capability
if
it
detects
any
issue?
J
And
finally,
we
have
an
excellent
safety
record.
We've
had
we've
not
caused
any
crashes,
and
we've
had
no
serious
safety
incidents.
J
The
benefits
of
this
technology
are
are
significant.
We
believe
you
can
see
here
some
statistics
from
a
recent
report
that
the
steer
group,
which
is
a
transportation
economist,
firm,
put
out
about
how
from
2025
to
2035
delivery
avs
like
neuro,
is
not
limited
to
to
our
particular
product,
but
this
entire
category
could
create
jobs,
especially
in
stores,
because
people
need
to
be
hired
to
pick
and
pack
items
as
well
as
stimulate
the
economy,
reduce
crashes
and
decrease
emissions.
Neuro's
vehicle
is
battery
electric
and
we
view
100
electric
vehicles
as
the
future
here.
J
During
the
pandemic,
I
mentioned
we
partnered
with
the
houston
food
bank
to
do
deliveries
to
those
in
need
and
that
took
us
from
kind
of
the
radius
immediately
around
the
store
into
houston's
third
ward,
which
is
a
tradition,
an
important
and
historically
black
community.
J
That
is
a
food
desert
and
in
response
to
this
experience
of
finding
how
our
technology
could
help
some
of
the
people
in
this
community,
we
conducted
an
analysis
of
how
many
people
nationwide
are
in
this
situation
and
how
many
people
could
benefit
from
this
technology,
and
we
found
that
there
are
20
million
people
nationwide
that
are
low-income
and
live
in
a
food
desert,
and
if
our
technology
is
able
to
go
on
45
mile
an
hour
roads
that
it
could
reach
70
percent
of
them.
J
Specifically
in
the
las
vegas
metro
area,
there
are
125
000,
low-income
people
that
live
in
food
deserts
and
our
technology
could
reach
86
percent
of
those
people,
which
is
a
little
over
a
hundred
thousand
this
bill.
Ab412,
would
would
do
two
things.
The
first
it
was
up
is
update
vehicle
equipment
requirements.
This
vehicle
is
operated
by
machine
vision,
so
it
does
not
have
any
need
for
side
view
mirrors
or
windshield
wipers.
J
In
addition,
it
has
machine
control,
there's
a
requirement
for
a
beam
indicator
that
shows
where
the
high
beams
are
on
and
some
regulations
affecting
the
brake
pedal
a
requiring
brake
pedal,
because
our
vehicle
has
no
no
human
in
it.
These
these
regulations
don't
apply
to
this
kind
of
vehicle
and
there's
not
a
case
where
they
have
a
safety
purpose.
J
Secondly,
this
bill
would
enable
neuro
to
serve
more
people
and
companies
that
have
technology
like
this
nero's
vehicle
is
a
low
speed
vehicle
initially
classified
as
such
and
limited
to
25
miles
per
hour
operations.
J
This
bill
would
define
neighborhood
occupantless
vehicles,
which
are
vehicles
that
are
low
speed,
but
not
intended
designed
or
marketed
for
human
occupancy,
and
it
would
allow
subject
to
several
safety
restrictions,
some
limited
operation
on
45
mile,
an
hour
roads.
This
is
important
for
enabling
the
reach
of
two
suburban
and
rural
areas,
as
well
as
to
people
that
live
in
food
deserts.
J
Well,
one
example
of
that
in
las
vegas
at
flamingo
and
durango.
Those
are
two
45
mile,
an
hour
roads,
there's
an
albertsons
on
that
corner
to
reach
the
the
community's
streets
and
the
neighborhood
streets
that
I've
highlighted
in
blue.
It's
it's
there's
no
way
to
reach
them
without
going
on
a
45
mile,
an
hour
road,
it's
about
half
a
mile
total
on
on
those
roads,
so
not
a
long
distance,
but
it's
the
only
way
to
reach
them.
J
J
Last
year,
neuro
became
the
first
company
to
receive
an
exemption
from
federal
requirements
for
for
an
autonomous
vehicle.
Specifically,
we
got
an
exemption
from
side
view
mirrors
and
a
windshield
which
which
corresponds
to
nevada's
windshield
wiper
provision.
J
K
Thank
you
chair.
Did
you
want
to
do
questions
first
or
do
you
want
me
to
go
ahead
and
just
give
my
brief
over
or
brief
presentation.
K
Excellent,
thank
you
chair,
thank
you,
chairman
roe
moreno
and
members
of
the
assembly
committee
on
growth
and
infrastructure.
My
name
is
james
hump,
I'm
with
the
governor's
office
of
economic
development
and
I'm
the
director
of
compliance
and
regulatory
affairs
I'll
keep
this
relatively
brief.
I
know
the
hour
is
late,
so
I'm
just
in
speaking
on
this
bill,
I
wanted
to
reference
goed's
state
plan
for
recovery
and
resilience
that
out
that
we
recently
released
and
kind
of
outlines,
nevada's
goals
for
the
future
beyond
the
pandemic
and
our
strategy
for
job
growth
and
economic
development.
K
Within
this
report
there
are
several
key
factors
that
we
outline,
but
two
specifically
are
in
line
with
this
legislation,
as
we
continue
to
work
to
to
restore
nevada's
economy
and
continue
to
grow
it.
The
first
is
the
state's
desire
to
recruit
automation
and
digital
technology
firms,
and
the
second
is
to
work
towards
the
transition
of
a
low-carbon
and
low-emission
economy.
K
This
initiative
assists
in
accomplishing
both
of
those
goals
as
exciting
new
tech
firms
like
neuro
that
are
developing
driverless
and
occupantless
vehicles
want
to
be
here
in
this
growing
environment
of
technological
change.
At
the
same
time,
these
vehicles
that
are
in
development
are
also
low
carbon,
low
emissions
and,
in
nero's
case
they're,
they're
completely
electric.
K
So
it's
just
with
forward-thinking
legislation
like
this
that
we
we
can
use
to
track
similar
companies
that
can
really
capitalize
on
the
opportunities
provided
in
nevada
to
to
both,
develop
and
foster
and
really
test
these
new
systems.
So
that's
all
I
have
like,
I
said,
keeping
it
brief,
but
we
are
in
support
of
this
legislation.
F
No,
madam
chair,
we
tried
to
submit
everything
in
writing
to
in
the
interest
of
brevity,
so
we're
good
to
go.
Thank
you.
A
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
kind
of
a
cute
little
car,
but
how
do
you
guys
figure
that
you
would
put
into
the
road
mileage?
You
know
you.
You've
got
no
gas,
so
there's
no
fuel
tax
for
road
maintenance.
So
you've
do
you
guys
figure
that
you
pay
a
certain
percentage
into
the
road
repairs
road
tax?
J
So
we
would
pay
registration
fees
and
sales
tax
and
and
and
related
okay,.
A
J
Thank
you,
matthew,
lipka
from
neuro,
so
we
would
pay
registration
fees
and
and
and
related
sales
tax.
From
our
visit
from
the
business
and,
of
course,
the
the
items
that
would
be
ordered
would
would
also
pay
related
sales
tax,
and
our
experience
so
far
is
that
having
an
affordable
delivery
service
can
help
grow
sales
for
retailers
and,
as
we
grow
beyond
just
the
initial
partners
that
we
we
have
so
far
to
small
businesses.
That
could
also
help
them
increase
sales
as
well.
E
Follow
up
ma'am
go
ahead,
sales
tax,
don't
pay
for
road
tax,
and
I
know
that
we're
working
a
lot
of
electric
vehicles
they're
working
on
road
tax
now
so
I'm
hoping
the
governor's
office
can
help
figure
this
out
with
the
growing
cost
of
road
maintenance
with
fuel,
because
oil
we've
got
to
look
at
everything,
we
can
look
at
that
actually
pays
for
road
models.
Trips.
Thank
you.
A
I
Thank
you
chair.
I
was
thinking
I
was
listening
to
npr
earlier
this
week
and
they
did
a
segment
on
these
autonomous
vehicles
and
the
design
of
them
and
how
why
the
windows
were
important
on
these
vehicles
and
I
can't
help
but
look
at
them,
especially
after
you
said
that
they
don't
have
windshield
wipers
in
nevada.
Those
windows
are
going
to
get
so
dirty,
especially
with
those
like
in
those
summer
months
when
we
get
like
the
intermittent
rains
and
the
dust.
I
J
Thank
you,
matthew,
lipka
from
neuro,
so
on
the
windshield.
We
don't
actually
have
any
windows,
it's
designed
to
look
like
a
window
so
that
it's
familiar
to
other
road
users
and
supposed
to
be
a
friendlier
design.
But
it's
just
a
piece
of
plastic
on
the
front.
We
do
have
sensing
sensor,
cleaning
technology
that
allows
the
sensors
that
enable
us
to
see-
and
we
have
operated
in
in
arizona
if
there's
a
giant
dust
storm
we
pull
over
and
as
of
now,
with
regards
to
your
question
on
the
infrastructure.
J
Autonomous
vehicles
benefit
from
all
the
same
infrastructure
improvements
that
other
road
users
benefit
from.
We
before
we
operate
in
an
area
we
map
the
roads
and
then,
as
we
go,
we
use
the
the
information
from
our
autonomous
vehicles
to
update
those
maps.
So
if
there
are,
for
example,
potholes,
we
are
able
to
identify
them
and
we
can
consider
that
in
our
routing
decisions
as
well
as
navigating
within
that
roadway.
I
I
don't
mean
to
add
work
to
your
plate,
but
I
know
that
one
of
the
the
areas
of
interest
in
our
local
governments
is
for
us
to
self-report
potholes.
It
would
be
really
great
to
have
you
guys
share
that
data
kind
of
proactively,
if
you're
already
out
there
mapping
them.
So
just
another
thought,
but
you
know
the
sensors.
I've
just
been
curious
about
how
they've
developed,
because
previously
there
had
been
models
that
just
followed
the
lines
on
the
road
which
isn't
effective
in
a
lot
of
areas
where
there
aren't
lines
on
the
road.
I
So
you
know
how
do
they
decide
on
curbs?
I
know
that
the
technology
has
has
just
advanced
exponentially
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
with
modeling
and
being
able
to
do
kind
of
3d
and
40
tech
and
censoring,
but
I'm
just
curious
how
you
know
how
advanced
that
is
today
and
what
maybe
can
you
describe
what
it
is
that
these
these
vehicles
use
to
map
to
drive
on
the
road
right
to
sense
the
road
as
it's
going
and
how
that's.
J
Absolutely
matthew
lipka
from
neuro,
so
the
way
that
so
I
love
the
idea
about
reporting
the
potholes.
We
have
done
that
in
in
houston
a
significant
amount
there's
a
there's
only
so
many
they
can
fix.
So
there's
there's
some
limit
to
how
many
they
want
to
hear
about.
But
in
response
to
your
question
of
how
does
the
sensing
work
so
nero's
vehicle
has
has
more
than
five
different
kinds
of
sensors
on
it.
J
It
has
cameras,
lidars,
radars,
ultrasonic,
sensors
and
audio
sensors
and
therm
and
thermal
cameras,
and-
and
we
use
all
this
technology
to
see
the
world
around
us
dynamically.
So
before
we
actually
put
our
vehicle
on
the
road,
we
have
a
human
driven
vehicle
that
can
map
the
things
like
the
curbs
and
so
the
there's
a
high
definition
map
loaded
onto
the
computer
before
the
r2
actually
drives
down
that
road.
So
it
can
focus
those
sensors
on
what's
happening
around
us.
J
Cameras
are
very
good
at
identifying
what
other
objects
are
so,
for
example,
is
that
a
pedestrian
is
a
cyclist.
Is
it
a
car?
The
the
lidar
is
a
very
powerful
sensor,
that
is,
it
can
can
also
measure
a
distance
and
and
velocity
of
other
objects
that
lets
us
create
predictions
of.
J
What's
going
to
happen
with
that
with
those
with
those
other
actors
on
the
roadway,
so
that
we
can
plan
our
movements
accordingly,
radar
is
really
useful
for
understanding
the
the
speed
and
direction
and
also
provides
us
redundancy
with
with
lidar
and
and
so
when
we
first
launched
neuro.
We
didn't
think
we
were
going
to
have
all
these
different
sensors
on
it.
J
But,
as
we've
gone
through
over
the
past
several
years,
we've
learned
that
there's
a
lot
of
advantage
and
redundancy
and
having
some
sensors
that
are
good
at
some
things
and
others
that
are
good
at
others,
because
when
you
combine
them
together
and
use
machine
learning
to
combine
that
input,
you
can
actually
get
a
much
richer
understanding
of
what's
happening
around
you
than
than.
If
you
just
relied
on
on
one
sensor,
like
cameras.
I
L
Armstrong,
thank
you,
chair
monroe
moreno
and
thank
you
neuro
for
your
interesting
presentation.
I
have
just
a
couple
questions
in
the
video.
You
showed
one
side
of
the
of
the
vehicle
with
the
doors
lifting
and
I'm
curious.
If
I'm
going
to
guess
that
each
of
those
compartments
is
individually
locked.
J
Matthew
lipka
from
neuro.
No,
it
is
limited
to
two
compartments,
however
they're
very
customizable,
so
we
could.
We
can
subdivide
them,
for
example,
and
and
have
each
subdivision
of
the
of
them
locked
depending
on
the
item.
For
example,
we
partnered
with
domino's
pizza
that
takes
up
much
less
room
than
10
grocery
packs.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
If
I
can
ask
one
more
question:
go
ahead!
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
really
interesting!
I
was
hoping
that
you
were
going
to
say
that
there
were
four
deliveries
that
could
be
made
with
one
vehicle,
because,
even
though
they
are
using
electricity,
the
number
of
those
still
would
contribute
to
congestion
on
the
road
if
they
were
only
doing
two
deliveries.
L
My
next
question
is
what
types
of
jobs
in
clark
county:
are
you
all
looking
to
bring
and
if
you
can
talk
to
us
about
the
type
of
job
and
the
pay
that
you
are,
that
you
all
anticipate
based
on
what
you
all
are
doing
in
arizona
and
in
texas?
Thank
you.
J
Yes,
matthew
lipko
from
neuro,
so
the
the
our
new
our
first
opera
entry
into
the
the
testing
facility
that
I
alluded
to
earlier
that
facility
setting
aside
the
construction
jobs
of
building
it
will
be
staffed
by
operations
personnel.
That
will
be
that
we
call
them
robot
operators
that
will
be
responsible
for
for
two
basic
classes
of
of
activity.
J
The
first
is
testing
the
vehicle,
so
designing
tests
it'll
be
a
configurable
space,
so
we
can
have
higher
speed
stretches
or
25
mile
an
hour
stretches
we'll
do
simulation.
It
will
mock
up,
challenging
situations
like
a
ball.
Rolling
in
front
of
the
vehicle
will
create
potholes
and
drive
it
over
its
durability.
So
there's
those
people.
The
second,
is
the
maintenance
of
the
of
those
vehicles,
so
the
fleet
team.
J
So
that's
kind
of
the
initial
initial
piece
and
I
do
have
an
estimate
of
the
of
the
average
hourly
wage
of
the
of
those
workers
that
I
will
pull
up
and
and
and
share
with
you.
I
don't
have
the
top
of
my
head
and,
and
then
the
next
step
for
us
could
be
other
facilities,
so
we're
considering
a
a
final
assembly
facility
in
the
state,
as
well
as
a
potential
tele
operations
facility.
J
So
the
final
assembly
would
be
the
things
like
putting
the
sensors
on
the
on
the
vehicle
is
part
of
the
manufacturing
process,
and
so
those
would
be
sort
of
light
manufacturing
jobs
and
then
the
second
would
be
is
the
main
thing
I
mentioned
the
tele
operations,
so
these
are
people
that
can
supervise
remotely
the
the
work
and
it's
a
it,
takes
a
lot
of
training
to
be
able
to
understand
the
systems
of
this
of
this
technology.
J
It's
not
like
a
call
center
job,
it's
a
a
very
demanding
profession
and
then
the
the
kind
of
the
third
stage
that
we
anticipate
is
a
commercial
service,
and
so
in
houston,
the
the
people
that
we
employ
is
everyone
that
needs
to
that.
That
is
involved
in
running
that
service.
We
have
the
product
people
that
work
together
with
the
british
kroger
or
cvs
there.
J
The,
secondly
is
the
the
robot
operators
that
supervise
the
vehicle
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
and
we
have
the
the
fleet
team
that
cleans
maintains
charges
these
vehicles
and,
of
course,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
our
partners
have
to
char
hire
new
people
to
do
the
picking
and
packing
of
of
these
of
the
goods,
because
you
know,
if
I
go
to
the
grocery
store
today,
I
drive
my
own
car.
I
pick
out
my
own
things
and
drive
home.
J
If
a
robot's
doing
that
drive,
then
someone
needs
to
be
hired
to
do
that
and
I'm
I
know
in
california
the
the
wage
is
17
an
hour
for
a
pick
packer,
I'm
not
sure
what
the
wages
in
nevada,
if
it's
the
same.
So
that's
that's
just
the
example
from
from
kroger's,
and
so
that's
a
little
bit
about
the
the
jobs
that
would
be
created,
and
I
think
that
one
thing
is
noteworthy
is
this
is
a
huge
range
of
of
skill
levels
right?
J
Sometimes
a
tech
company
says
we'll
create
a
bunch
of
jobs,
but
you
need
a
phd
to
do
them,
and
this
is
there's
a.
There
are
certainly
those
jobs,
but
there's
also
manufacturing.
There's
remote
operation
and
supervision,
there
is
testing
a
a
sophisticated
robot
on
on
durability
and
and
autonomy
system.
So
there's
a
wide
range
and
I
will
pull
up
and
maybe
drop
in
the
chat
for
you.
The
the
number
of
the
average
wage
for
the
initial
facility.
L
A
A
I
have
one
question:
when
you
talk
about
this
little
assembly
plant
and
you
said
you
were
going
to
start
in
clark
county
exactly
what
area
of
clark
county?
Are
you
looking
to
have
that
flag
to
set
up
shop.
J
Matthew,
lipka
of
neuro,
so
it's
in
las
vegas.
We
we
have
a
lease
that
is
signed
by
us,
but
not
them,
so
they
want
to
get
to
the
exact
site
location
until
we
get
that
fully
executed
lease.
But
we're
really
in
the
final
stages
of
that
in
the
northern
part
of
las
vegas
and
in
answer
to
assemblywoman
summer's
a
question
the
average
wage
at
the
at
that
facility.
We
estimate
to
be
28.80.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
getting
that
information,
and
I
was
going
to
encourage
you
to
look
north
so
members
any
other
questions.
A
C
C
C
C
You
may
begin
your
testimony.
This
is
chris
anderson
for
the
record
a-n-d-e-r-s-o-n
good
evening,
chair
monroe,
moreno
and
members
of
the
committee.
I'm
here
to
testify
in
support
of
ab412
on
behalf
of
zukes
zuke's
is
an
autonomous
vehicle
developer
with
testing
operations
in
las
vegas.
We've
been
testing
here
since
2019.
C
We
appreciate
this
common
sense
update
of
the
vehicle
code
that
reflects
advancements
in
the
av
industry.
We
agree
that
this
bill
will
streamline
the
av
regulatory
structure
in
nevada
and
enhance
broad
economic
development
in
the
state.
We
encourage
you
to
support
the
bill
and
thank
you
for
all
the
good
work
you're
doing
at
this
late
hour.
Thank
you.
F
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
tonight
and
being
extremely
patient
with
our
scheduling.
I
hope
no
one
was
on
the
east
coast
or
anywhere
so,
but
thank
you
so
much
so
members
that
will
close
the
hearing
on
assembly
bill
4112
and
that
will
go
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda
and
that
will
be
public
comment.
I'll
ask
our
broadcast
staff.
If
we
have
anyone
waiting
in
the
queue
to
make
public
comment,
you
may
do
so
at
this
time.
A
Well,
alrighty,
then
members
that
will
conclude
all
of
our
meetings
for
today.
Thank
you
to
our
presenters
to
our
broadcast
staff,
who
is
always
wonderful
and
the
members
of
the
public
who
were
able
to
join
us
virtually
for
both
of
our
meetings
today.
Our
next
meeting
for
the
assembly
committee
on
growth
and
infrastructure
will
be
tomorrow,
friday
april
9th,
at
the
call
of
the
chair,
the
latest.
We
will
start
the
meeting
if
everything
goes
as
planned
is
1pm
and
we'll
hear
one
assembly
bill
and
we
will
have
a
work
session.