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A
Good
morning,
everyone
I'm
going
to
call
the
assembly
committee
on
judiciary
to
order
before
we
take
the
role
members.
If,
when
your
name
is
called,
if
you
could,
please
hit
your
microphone
button
and
state
that
you
are
here
in
your
microphone,
that'll
make
sure
it's
picked
up
on
the
audio.
Madam
secretary,
would
you
please
call
the
roll.
C
C
D
D
E
E
A
I
am
here,
everyone
is
present.
That
means
we
do
have
a
quorum
good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
day
74
of
the
81st
session
of
the
mata
legislature
and
welcome
to
our
first
day
of
in-person
committee
hearings.
It
is
indeed
good
to
be
in
the
room
with
all
of
you
before
we
get
started,
we'll
go
over
just
a
couple
housekeeping
matters,
and
some
of
these
will
be
new,
since
we
are
in
a
room
together
for
members
of
the
committee
and
guests
who
are
here
in
the
room
with
us.
A
If
you
could,
please
make
sure
to
silence
your
devices
that
will
help
us
tremendously
and
then
for
anyone
who
is
in
the
room
today
who
may
be
testifying
on
a
bill
or
presenting
a
bill
when
you
come
to
the
table
to
do
that.
If
you
could,
please
remember
to
turn
the
microphone
on
to
state
your
name,
provide
your
testimony
and
then
remember
to
turn
the
microphone
off
after
you
are
done
speaking
for
guests
who
are
on
the
zoom
with
us
today.
A
As
you
know,
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
treating
each
other
with
courtesy
and
respect,
even
if
we
disagree
on
policy,
and
we
expect
that
for
members
for
those
who
are
testifying
from
the
public
and
for
our
staff
as
well
and
then
finally,
even
though
we're
not
virtual
anymore,
many
of
us
have
multiple
devices
in
front
of
us
to
try
to
access
this
meeting.
So
please
don't
see
it
as
a
sign
of
disrespect
or
inattention.
A
If
members
appear
to
be
looking
at
their
devices
throughout
the
meeting.
I
think
that
is
all
of
our
housekeeping
matters.
So
members
we
will
move
to
our
agenda
this
morning
and,
as
you
can
see,
we
have
three
bills
on
the
agenda.
I
am
going
to
take
them
slightly
out
of
order,
so
we
are
going
to
start
with
senate
bill
at
this
time.
I
will
open
up
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
357
senate
bill.
A
357
requires
the
department
of
corrections
to
track
and
report
expenses
that
are
directly
related
to
housing,
youthful
offenders
joining
us
on
the
zoom.
This
morning
we
have
senator
orrin
shaw,
who
was
a
member
of
this
committee
for
six
sessions,
and
it
was
an
honor
for
me
to
be
able
to
serve
with
him
a
couple
of
those
sessions.
So
welcome
back
for
the
first
time
this
session,
senator
orrin
shall
please
proceed
when
you're
ready.
G
Good
morning,
chair
yeager
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee
for
the
record
james
orenshall,
I
represent
state
senate
district
21,
that's
parts
of
henderson,
an
unincorporated
clark
county,
and
I
did
I
had
the
distinct
honor
to
be
a
member
of
your
committee
to
work
with
you,
chairman
yeager,
and
to
serve
as
vice
chair
of
the
assembly,
judiciary,
committee
and
and
incredibly
proud
of
the
great
work
you're
doing
and
I'm
proud
to
have
been
a
former
vice
chairman
of
of
this
committee.
G
I
had
the
distinct
honor
during
the
interim
to
chair
the
interim
legislative
committee
on
child
welfare
and
juvenile
justice.
We
we
had
a
lot
of
work
ahead
of
us.
We
had
two
in-person
meetings
at
the
grant:
sawyer
building
with
teleconferences
up
here
to
the
legislative
building
in
carson
city
before
the
pandemic,
hit
after
the
pandemic
hit.
G
We
had
four
virtual
meetings,
and
I
want
to
thank
you-
know:
patrick
guynan
and
julianne
king
eileen,
o'grady
carlyle
krent,
the
tremendous
staff
at
broadcasting
who
made
that
happen
because
once
once
covet
hit,
we
weren't
really
sure
how
we'd
continue
and
how
we
would
carry
on
our
business.
But,
notwithstanding
everything
that
we
went
through,
we
were
able
to
to
continue
with
our
next
four
virtual
meetings
and
produce
ten
different
bill
draft
requests,
as
well
as
requests
for
letters
from
that
committee.
I
think
that
most
of
our
recommendations
came
out
bipartisan
and
unanimous.
G
I
was
very
lucky
to
get
to
serve
with
assemblywoman
monroe
moreno,
who
is
vice
chair
of
the
interim
committee
on
child
welfare
and
juvenile
justice,
assemblywoman
hanson
assemblywoman
torres.
You
know
when
we
we
were
very
hard
and
want
to
thank
everybody
for
all
their
hard
work.
One
of
our
recommendations
you
see
in
senate
bill
357.
G
We
were
tasked
from
assembly
bill
449
of
the
2019
session,
to
try
to
look
at
the
cost
of
housing.
Youth.
You,
young
offenders,
and
you
know
just
to
highlight
for
for
some
of
the
new
members
on
the
committee.
Many
people
don't
realize
that
there
are
we
juveniles
boys
under
18,
housed
at
the
lovelock
correctional
center.
G
During
the
interim,
we
found
out
that
there
currently
is
not
a
nevada
department
of
corrections
facility
to
house
girls
under
18
who
have
been
sentenced
as
adults
and
right
now.
The
information
we
got
is
that
they're
being
housed
out
of
state,
but
our
interim
committee
wanted
to
look
at
the
cost
of
housing,
those
those
children,
those
boys
who
were
under
18
at
the
lovelock
correctional
center.
We
wanted
to
look
at
the
cost
of
education,
communication
and
interaction
with
family
members,
health
care,
mental
health,
recreational
programming
and
any
other
cost
of
the
director.
G
The
nevada
department
of
corrections
felt
was
special
for
those
children
and
those
children
who
are
up
at
the
lovelock
correctional
center
pursuant
to
the
prison.
The
federal
prison,
rape,
elimination,
act
of
sight
and
sound
separation
from
the
adults,
but
but
they
are
still
there
at
that
adult
facility
and
some
of
the
concerns
I've
had
and
others
have
had.
G
E
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
senator
orrinshaw
for
bringing
this
bill.
I
was
shocked
when
we
had
early
on
in
the
session
when
we
had
folks
from
corrections
talking
about
kids
who
were
in
this
situation,
and
so
thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill.
I'm
just
curious
in
your
work
in
the
interim.
How
many?
How
many
kids
are
we
we
talking
about
both
boys
and
girls?
G
To
you
and
through
you,
cherry
yeager,
to
assemble
them
and
bilbray
axelrod,
my
recollection
is
that
there
were
three
juvenile
females
that
were
being
housed
out
of
state,
because
currently
there
was
no
a
provision
for
them
to
be
housed
at
the
florence
mcclure,
our
only
female
correctional
center
of
horns,
mccleary
correctional
center
down
in
clark
county.
There
was
testimony
during
the
interim
that
in
the
past
many
years
ago
there
had
been
a
juvenile
female
house
at
florence,
mcclure
as
and
then
as
to
the
boy's
house
at
the
lovelock
correctional
center.
G
I
apologize.
I
don't
have
that
information
in
front
of
me.
I
know
I
believe
it's
between
10
and
20,
but
I
might
be
incorrect
and
I
think
that
there
might
be
ms
welborn
from
the
nevada
aclu
is
going
to
be
calling
in.
She
might
have
that
exact
number
of
boys
that
are
currently
housed
at
lovelock.
I
know
that
it's
fluctuated
and
I
apologize
that
I
don't
have
that
information
if
she
doesn't
have
that.
I
will
get
that
to
you
and
share
with
that.
You
and
the
committee
assemble
women,
bilbray
axelrod.
H
Thank
you
sharon.
It's
good
to
see
you
senator
my
question
has
to
do
with
the
process
of
for
for
the
juvenile
prisoners.
So,
for
instance,
we've
heard
about
issues
with
adult
prisoners
and
the
cost
of
communication
with
family
members
and
phone
calls,
and
that
type
of
thing
do
are
the
juvenile
prisoners?
Are
they
under
the
same
cost
system?
Or
can
you
talk
more
about
how
their
needs
are
met
versus
the
adult
prisoners.
G
He
and
three
chair
yeager,
too
assemblyman
cohen.
There
was
testimony
during
the
interim
from
nevada
department
of
corrections
as
to
how
hard
they
do
work
to
try
to
make
sure
that
educational
mental
health
needs
are
met.
Trying
to
ensure
that
communication
with
family
with
these
children's
family
keeps
keeps
going
as
to
the
actual
the
costs
that
are
spent
on
whether
it's
phone
calls
or
being
able
to
do.
If
they're
able
to
do
a
video
call
that
I
don't
have.
H
Thank
you
and
and
to
be
clear,
I'm
not
I'm
not
necessarily
asking
what
the
cost
is
for
the
juveniles.
I
know
that's
what
what
the
bill
is
about
getting
that
information,
but
are
they
under
the
same
rules
and
and
guidelines?
So,
for
instance,
if
adult
prisoners
are
charged
and
the
money
comes
out
of
their
account
for
community
telephone
communication
with
family
members?
Is
that
the
same
thing
with
juveniles
or
because
they're
juveniles
is
that
something
that
the
the
state
covers
that
cost
or
how
does
that
work?.
G
Thank
you
through
you,
chair
to
assemble
him
and
cohen.
That's
a
question.
I
I
don't
have
the
answer
to
that's
a
very
good
question,
and
I
would
you
know
that's
something
that
we
didn't
find
out
during
the
interim
as
to
whether
families
can
put
you
know
money
on
on
children's
books,
the
way
they
could
on
an
adult
relative's
book
so
that
they
could
call
or
buy
something
from
the
the
commissary
at
that
correctional
facility.
G
So
I
don't
want
to
give
incorrect
information.
My
assumption
is
that
that
things
like
that
would
be
similar
since
these
juveniles
have
been
sentenced
as
as
adults
but
they're
they're
there
at
the
lubloc
correctional
center
with
sight
and
sound
separation.
But
I
don't
know
that
for
sure-
and
I
can
I'll
try
to
find
out
that
answer
to
that
question
too,
and
let
you
and
the
chair
in
the
committee
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
senator
orrinshaw.
You
don't
have
to
go
through
me.
If
you
don't
want
to.
I
know:
you've
been
in
the
building
a
long
time
and
tradition
is
tradition,
so
feel
free
to
go
to
the
member
directly.
If
you
would
like,
we
do
have
some
additional
questions,
I'm
going
to
go
next
to
assemblyman,
wheeler
and
then
assemblywoman
kasama,
so
please
go
ahead.
Assemblyman
wheeler!
Thank
you,
mr.
F
F
Senator
orenshaw
good
to
see
you
again
haven't
seen
much
of
you
this
year
because
of
our
sequester
in
our
offices,
but
I'm
wondering
sir,
what
the
actual
purpose
of
this
is
what
what
this
leads
to
are
we
looking
at
maybe
in
the
future
after
reports
like
this,
of
of
changing
the
system
so
that
there's
a
separate
separation
etc?
What
what
are
we
going
to
get
out
of
this.
G
G
G
I
can
tell
you
my
my
feeling
my
feeling
is
that
diverting
children
out
of
adult
adult
prisons,
adult
criminal
courts,
leads
to
more
positive
outcomes
for
those
children,
and
I
think
that
there
is
a
lot
better
programming
for
children
in
the
facilities
that
are
run
by
our
our
division
of
child
and
and
family
services,
such
as
the
cali
and
youth
center
nevada.
Youth
training
center
summit
view
youth
training
center.
G
That
are
where
the
number
one
focus
is:
children,
education,
you
know,
programming,
mental
health
needs
physical
health
needs
trying
to
rehabilitate
those
children
so
that
they
hopefully
won't
end
up
back
in
the
system.
G
I
I
think
the
knowledge
is
important
to
have
what
the
committee
decides
to
do
with
it
will
be
up
to
that
interim
committee
during
the
interim.
I
personally
feel
that
you
know
having
this
information
and
being
able
to
decide
whether
it's
more
costly
to
house
a
juvenile
over
at
an
adult,
correctional
center
or
perhaps
at
a
youth
correctional
center,
would
be
important
information
for
the
legislature
to
have,
and
it
would
be
up
to
the
interim
committee
and
the
next
legislature
decide
what
to
do
with
that
information.
D
Assemblyman
wheeler
asked
my
exact
question.
I
was
just
wondering
what
the
end
goal
was,
or
you
know
if
what
the
thought
was,
but
you've
answered
that,
so
they
need
the
information
to
decide
what
is
the
best
way
in
the
future,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
the
results
of
that
study.
So
thank
you.
G
G
There's
no
question
very,
very
serious
crimes
that
that
they've
been
charged
with,
but
many
of
these
children
have
been
the
victim
of
abuse
and
neglect.
They've
had
very
unstable
upbringings.
They
you
know,
may
not
have
known.
You
know
whether
they'd
have
a
roof
over
their
head,
whether
you
know
the
parents
might
be
incarcerated
themselves
or
have
lost
a
parent
and
there's
a
there's.
A
lot
of
that
can
be
done.
I
believe,
for
these
children
in
a
better
fashion,
not
an
adult
correctional
center
and
that
that's
not
what
this
bill
does.
G
D
G
D
D
A
couple
quick
questions:
I'm
really
disappointed
that
doc
cannot
all
already
have
this
in
their
line
item
budgeting
on
what
it
costs
when
the
children
have
to
be
separated
from
the
adults
anyways
at
lovelock.
So
I
find
that
really
disappointing
whoops
and
I
understand
the
need
for
it.
I
truly
do
the
question
that
I
have
is:
do
we
need
this
in
statute?
Will
this
be
an
ongoing
every
year,
or
once
we
get
the
information
for
the
interim
study?
Will
they
need
it
following
year,
the
following
year
and
the
following
year?
D
G
Thank
you
for
the
question,
and
certainly
you
know
during
the
interim.
Our
committee
was
was
appreciative
of
all
the
help
from
nevada
department
of
corrections,
but
this
is
information
that
we
really
really
needed
and
it
would
have
been
important
for
us
to
have,
and
I
I
believe
that
senate
bill
357
is
the
right
way
to
go
to
ask
that
this
information
be
produced,
that
we
put
it
in
statute
and
that
we
get
this
information
up.
You
know
in
perpetuity
because,
certainly
you
know
direct
since
we've
served.
G
I
think
you
and
I
assembling
o'neill
have
served
under
three
or
four
different
directors
of
the
nevada
department
of
corrections
and
different
members
of
the
boards
of
prison
commissioners
and
while
it
might
be
a
priority
to
come
up
with
this
information
for
a
particular
director
or
a
particular
board
of
prison
commissioners,
it
may
not
be
for
the
next
one.
So
I
believe
that
this
is
the
right
way
to
go
here,
rather
than
ask
that
it
be
just
a
request,
because,
unfortunately,
we,
you
know,
we
weren't
able
to
get
that
during
the
interim.
D
D
G
Thank
you,
someone
krauser,
it's
great
to
see
you
too,
and
talk
about
great
memories
of
serving
on
the
on
this
committee
and
fighting
for
for
important
issues
in
a
bipartisan
way.
I
certainly
have
great
memories
of
working
with
you
in
a
bipartisan
way
on
on
a
lot
of
important
issues
that
we
both
cared
about,
and
thank
you
for
keeping
up
the
good
fight
on.
So
many
of
those
issues
on
the
the
children
who
are
up
at
the
lovelock
correctional
center
have
sight
and
sound
separation
from
the
adult
inmates.
G
Pursuant
to
the
federal
prison
rape
elimination
act,
so
there
should
be
no
contact
with
those
children.
What
I
believe
would
be
important
information
for
us
to
have
as
a
result
of
senate
bill.
357
is
the
cost
of
housing,
those
children
in
an
adult
facility
and
then
an
interim
committee.
A
future
legislature
could
look
at
the
cost
of
housing,
those
children,
maybe
at
a
juvenile
facility
that
is
more
geared
towards
programming
for
kids.
We're
trying
to
make
sure
that
mental
health
needs
are
met
that
traumas
past
traumas
that
those
kids
have
suffered
are
dealt
with.
G
I'm
sure
that
many
of
those
children
up
at
the
lovelock
correctional
center
have
have
witnessed
someone
die
in
front
of
them.
Oftentimes
a
relative.
G
Similarly,
liquor,
I'm
certainly
open
to
changes
in
the
language
that
that
you
would
suggest
you
know.
Certainly
during
my
time
on
the
assembly
judiciary
committee,
we
were
never
fortunate
enough
to
have
a
law
professor
as
a
member
of
of
the
committee.
So
if
there's
any
language,
you
think
would
improve
the
bill,
I'm
certainly
open
to
that
many
of
the
children.
I
s,
you
know
my
day.
G
So
I
think
here,
if
we
can
try
to
you,
know
quantify
what
what
needs
to
be
spent,
what
is
being
spent
and
whether
the
children
are
getting
the
access
to
someone
who
specializes
in
mental
health
needs
of
children
would
be
important
as
opposed
to
someone
who's.
Maybe
doesn't
have
that
kind
of
specialization,
but
I
I
I
certainly
won't
argue
if
there's
some
some
language,
you
think,
would
make
this
stronger.
A
Okay,
I
don't
see
additional
questions.
What
I
would
like
to
do,
senator
orrinshaw
is,
have
you
sit
tight
for
a
moment.
We
do
have
a
representative
from
the
nevada
department
of
corrections
on
the
zoom
with
us.
I
believe
it
is
miss
powers
and
I
thought
it
probably
made
sense
to
allow
them
a
chance
to
answer
a
few
of
those
questions
that
were
asked
that
senator
orrinshaw
was
not
able
to
answer
so
at
this
time.
I
Good
morning,
chair
yeager,
this
is
deputy
director,
harold
wickham.
I
apologize
for
the
confusion
on
the
name.
I
was
at
a
dental
appointment,
but
fortunately
I
got
out
early
so
for
the
record,
harold
wickham
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
senator
orange
shaw
for
for
bringing
this
all-important,
sb
357
forward.
I
think
I
can
answer
some
of
the
questions
you
have
so.
First
of
all,
we
have
11
males
currently
incarcerated
and,
I
would
say,
males
juveniles,
juvenile
males
incarcerated
at
the
lovelock
correctional
center.
I
We
have
one
female
offender
who
is
currently
housed
in
arizona
and
that's
because
we
don't
have
a
facility
for
juveniles
in
our
female
facility,
just
it
doesn't
protect
from
sight
and
sound
in
accordance
with
priya
and
and
our
other
separations
to
keep
the
the
offenders
safe.
So
we
we
have
12
offenders,
currently
one
being
a
female
housed
out
of
state,
and
these
offenders
are
certified
by
the
court
as
as
adults,
so
they're
actually
treated
the
same.
I
I
should
I
want
to,
and
let
me
clarify
on
that
when
I
say
the
same
they're
given
the
same
privilege
as
available
they're,
giving
the
same
opportunities
same
store,
same
use
of
the
telephones
same
inmate
accounts,
all
of
it
is
treated
the
same.
However,
we
do
everything
to
ensure
that
these
offenders
are
kept
separate
from
a
adult
offenders.
I
So
there's
there's
a
unique
pattern
there,
and
I
want
to
say
that,
as
an
agency
we're
happy
to
provide
whatever
data,
whatever
cost
analysis,
you
need
we're
happy
to
provide
that,
and
we
actually
think
it's
very
relevant
to
provide
that
because
we
we
are
in
agreement.
This
is
this
is
something
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
I
Frankly,
kids
shouldn't
be
in
adult
prisons:
it's
just
not
good
for
their
their
psychological
health,
but
as
far
as
cost
and
data,
we
can
we're
happy
to
provide
that,
and
I
will
tell
you
that
the
services
that
we
do
provide
are
unbudgeted.
We
do
not
have
a
budget
for
our
juveniles.
We
don't
have
a
budget
for
the
staff
that
supervise
them.
I
The
case
workers,
the
mental
health
staff
or
the
correctional
professionals
that
that
are
charged
with
overseeing
them,
but
because
we
have
to
keep
them
separate,
we
have
a
separate
place
where
we,
where
we
house
them.
So
I
hope
that
answered
your
questions
and
if
you
have
any
further
questions,
we're
certainly
available.
A
H
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you,
mr
wickham.
I
get,
I
guess
what
I'm
just
trying
to
get
at
is
trying
to
understand.
I
I
understand
somewhat
about
priya
and
I
understand
about
sight
and
sound
separation,
but
are
these
considered
once
a
juvenile
goes
into
doc?
Are
they
considered
wards
of
the
state
were
where,
beyond
what
the
state
is
required
to
to
do
to
care
for
prisoners
that
technically
were
caring
for
them,
as
as
minors,
as
as
wards
in
our
care
versus
just
prisoners
in
the
state's
care?
I
Understand
for
the
record
here
of
wickham
department
of
corrections,
yes
through
the
chair
to
the
honorable
assembly,
woman
cohen.
Yes,
when
they
come
into
the
system,
they
are
certified
as
an
adult
as
a
I
don't
like
the
word
prisoner,
but
as
an
offender
they're
certified
they're
under
the
same
sentence
structures
as
the
adults
in
the
prison.
It's
just
because
of
korea.
We
are
required
to
keep
them
separated
segregated
from
the
typical
adult
populations
that
would
tend
to
try
to
victimize
or
anything
like
that.
I
So,
yes,
they
are
treated
exactly
the
same.
They
come
under
the
same
sentence
structure
as
from
the
court,
as
any
other
offenders
hope
that
answers
your
question.
Ma'am.
A
Thank
you
again,
mr
wickham
appreciate
you
answering
those
questions,
seeing
no
additional
questions
at
this
time.
Senator
orrinshaw
ask
you
to
hold
tight
for
a
moment,
we'll
take
some
testimony
on
the
bill
and
then
we'll
have
a
chance
for
concluding
remarks
before
we
close
the
bill
hearing
at
this
time,
I'll
open
up
for
hold
on.
A
A
J
K
We
would
like
to
thank
the
sponsor
senator
orenshaw
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
We'd
like
to
say
that
to
separate
these
children
it
would,
it
would
be
instrumental
in
preventing
any
undue
influence
by
an
adult.
K
It
also
becomes
a
hardship
for
the
families
and
for
the
juveniles
when
they're,
separated
and
placed
out
of
state
or
due
to
you
know,
the
phone
calls
as
you've
been
told.
They
have
are
treated
the
same
as
the
adults,
and
so
we
do
support
this
bill.
K
Anything
to
bring
families
closer
together
instead
of
separating
them,
would
be
wonderful.
It
would
help
with
adjusting
for
the
juveniles
and
the
families
and
prepare
them
into
the
prison
system
as
an
adult,
instead
of
just
throwing
them
into
the
wolves,
so
to
speak
so
anyways
we
do
support
this
bill.
Thank
you.
A
L
Good
morning,
chair
yeager,
this
is
holly
welborn,
h-o-l-l-y
w-e-l-b-o-r-n
policy,
director
for
the
aclu
of
nevada.
First,
I
want
to
apologize
to
senator
orenshall
into
the
committee.
This
bill
popped
up
quite
quickly.
I
did
present
this
bill
with
the
department
of
corrections
and
senator
orrin
shaw
over
in
the
senate
and
we're
glad
to
see
that
it
so
quickly
already
made
it
over
to
your
committee.
L
L
All
stakeholders
agree
that
the
loblaw
correctional
center
and
any
adult
institution
is
the
wrong
place
to
house
youth,
whether
or
not
they
have
been
transferred
or
direct
filed
to
the
adult
criminal
justice
system.
I
just
had
submitted
to
the
committee
secretary
a
report
that
the
aclu
of
nevada
drafted.
L
We
went
to
every
facility
in
well
most
juvenile
facilities
and
the
love
law
correctional
center
youth
pod
multiple
times
and
did
a
a
minimum
practices
assessment
on
those
institutions
to
determine
you
know
their
their
fitness
for
children,
and
the
conclusion,
of
course,
was
that
the
juvenile
institutions
are
a
better
fit,
and
out
of
that,
arose
a
study
that
led
to
the
drafting
of
a
package
of
bills
that
will
be
before
your
committee
in
the
coming
days.
L
So
sb
357
is
a
critical
part
of
that
to
start
looking
at
exactly
how
much
it
costs
to
house
young
people,
deputy
director
wickham,
explained
that
right
currently
they're,
not
tracking
juveniles
and
what
the
expenditure
is
and
that
information
is
necessarily
pertinent
in
order
for
us
to
determine
whether
or
not
there
might
be
able
to
be
some
sort
of
cost-sharing
agreement
between
the
doc
and
between
the
division
of
child
and
family
services
in
order
to
start
finding
alternative
housing
placements
for
young
people.
L
So
that's
the
background
and
idea
of
the
bill,
and
you
know
what,
as
we
go
through
this
legislative
process,
you'll
see
that
you
know
there
are
some
plans
to
establish
a
pilot
program
to
house
some
of
these
youth
in
a
juvenile
facility,
but
we're
very
much
in
agreement
with
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
were
asked
and
agree
with
assemblywoman
krasner
that
it's
time
for
us
to
start
moving
away
from
this
system,
particularly
in
an
era
with
life
where
life
without
parole
for
juveniles
has
been
abolished
through
the
supreme
court
and
through
statutes.
L
Here
in
nevada,
we
have
to
treat
our
youth
like
youth
in
order
to
have
the
best
possible
outcomes
when
those
young
people
leave
prison.
So
this
is
a
part
of
that
process.
I
can
remain
on
the
line
if
there
are
questions
for
me,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
take
questions
via
email
or
meet
with
any
of
you.
If
you'd
like
more
details
on
our
study
and
where
we're
going
with
this
program.
Thank
you,
chairman,
yeager,.
A
J
E
Hi,
jim
hoffman,
representing
nevada,
attorneys
for
criminal
justice
nacj
supports
sb
357
because
we
believe
that
no
child
should
be
housed
in
an
adult
prison.
This
bill
is
just
about
gathering
data
on
that
practice,
but
more
data
is
always
good.
I
wanted
to
speak
specifically
to
assemblywoman
krasner's
concerns,
because
the
main
way
that
adult
prisons
protect
kids
from
being
physically
attacked
is
to
keep
them
physically
isolated.
E
They
have
to
stay
in
their
pod
for
the
vast
majority
of
the
week,
because
if
they
leave,
then
all
the
adult
prisoners
have
to
go
on
lockdown.
This
is,
of
course,
very
expensive
and
difficult
for
the
prison
as
a
whole,
so
it
doesn't
happen
very
often.
This
causes
all
kinds
of
problems
for
the
kids.
They
get
limited
access
to
exercise
the
fresh
air,
limited
access
to
classrooms
for
school
or
other
kinds
of
programming,
and
so
on.
E
J
E
Good
morning,
chairman
jaeger
and
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee,
this
is
john
pirro
from
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office.
We'd,
just
like
to
echo
our
support
and
say
that
we
agree
with
the
statements
by
the
aclu
and
nacj
that
came
before
us
and
like
to
thank
senator
oran
shaw
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
J
L
I
want
to
thank
senator
orrinshaw
for
bringing
this
very
important
bill,
as
you've
heard
us
say
all
session
that,
unfortunately,
nevada
is
a
data
dry
state,
and
this
is
one
additional
way
that
we
can
ensure
that
we
are
enacting
policy
based
off
of
data-driven
solutions.
So
we
appreciate
this
bill
and
urge
your
support.
Thank
you.
J
E
A
A
A
A
A
G
Thank
you,
chair
yeager
members
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee,
appreciate
your
taking
the
time
to
hear
senate
bill
357.
I
think
this
information
will
be
paramount
importance
to
the
interim
committee
on
child
welfare
and
juvenile
justice
the
future
legislatures,
to
try
to
make
the
right
decision
for
these
these
children.
I
think
these
children,
like
all
children,
can
can
receive
treatment
and
there's
a
lot
more
that
can
be
done
in
terms
of
rehabilitation
versus
you
know
what
currently
is
attempted
to
be
done
at
the
at
the
nevada
department
of
corrections.
G
I
appreciate
all
their
work
and
what
they're
they're
doing
for
those
kids,
but
I
believe
that
there's
information
here
that
we
can
get
that
will
help
future
legislatures
make
important
decisions
to
try
to
improve
outcomes
for
these
children.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
thank
you
for
hearing
the
bill.
A
Hey
committee,
so
I'm
going
to
close
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
357
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
take
senate
bill
161
next.
So
at
this
time,
I'll
open
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
161
senate
bill
161
eliminates
the
advisory
committee
to
study
laws
concerning
sex
offender
registration
and
transfers
its
duty
to
the
advisory
commission
on
the
administration
of
justice.
A
That
was
a
bit
of
a
mouthful
for
a
bill
description,
but
I
want
to
welcome
back
to
the
committee
ms
adair
from
the
attorney
general's
office,
and
I
also
believe
we
have
miss
brady
with
her
as
well.
We
can
see
you
both
on
the
zoom
so
welcome
to
the
in-person
committee
hearing
through
virtual
means
and
when
you're
ready
to
proceed
with
the
presentation
for
senate
bill
161.
Please
go
ahead.
M
Good
morning,
chairman
yeager
jessica,
dare
for
the
record,
and
yes,
I
am
joined
by
my
colleague,
senior
deputy
attorney
general
katie
brady.
I
do
want
to
give
credit
where
credit
is
due.
This
is
a
bill
sponsored
by
senator
spearman,
and
I
don't
know
if
she
is
able
to
join
us
this
morning,
but
I
am
happy
to
present
the
bill
and
explain
why
we
had
recommended
this
change
to
the
sunset
committee.
Over
the
interim,
the
advisory
committee
to
study
laws
concerning
rec
sex
offender
registration
hecorum.
M
I
apologize
another
important
feature
of
the
advisory
committee
is
the
lack
of
certain
stakeholders
in
its
membership.
The
statute
does
not
require
a
representative
of
the
department
of
public
safety
or
the
central
repository,
the
department
of
corrections,
the
division,
the
department
of
parole,
probation
or
the
state
board
of
parole.
Commissioners.
A
Question
now
normally
miss
adair.
We
would
make
all
presenters
identify
themselves
for
the
record,
but
I'll
I'll
leave
it
to
our
committee
secretary
to
figure
out
how
to
annotate
that
one,
but
thank
you
for
bringing
some
some
real
life
and
some
levity
into
our
hearing.
We
we
do
appreciate
that
and
we
appreciate
the
struggle.
We've
all
been
there
so.
A
N
A
D
D
M
Thank
you
for
the
question
jessica.
I
dare
for
the
record.
Yes,
we
absolutely
weren't,
so
this
committee
was
put
in
statute
10
years
ago.
What
we're
recommending
is
that
these
duties
don't
change.
They
simply
move
from
this
advisory
committee
that
had
a
very
narrow
scope
and
narrow
membership
to
the
advice.
The
acha,
the
acha
has
a
larger
statutory
membership.
M
It
also
has
a
much
more
comprehensive
scope
to
look
at
sex
offender
registration
laws,
but
also
lifetime
supervision,
victim
services,
all
of
the
other
things
that
go
into
a
more
comprehensive
look
at
how
we
treat
offenders
of
sexual
crimes
when
they
are
released
from
incarceration.
So,
yes,
assemblywoman,
you're,
absolutely
correct.
We
have
been
tracking
this
all
along
through
this
committee
and
we're
not
recommending
that
we
end
these
duties
at
all.
They
simply
transfer
to
the
advisory
commission
on
the
administration
of
justice.
D
A
A
A
A
A
J
A
A
J
A
M
Thank
you
chair.
I
would
just
also
add
the
attorney
general
is
a
statutory
member
of
the
acha,
so
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
I
know
many
other
members
of
the
of
the
committee
are
also
on
the
acha.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
you
on
these
critical
issues
and
I
look
forward
to
testifying
in
person
starting
next
week,
where
I
can
do
so
without
any
assistance.
A
Thank
you
so
much
miss
adair.
We
appreciate
your
presentation
and
miss
brady.
Thank
you
for
being
here
for
any
questions.
We
hope
you
have
a
really
good
rest
of
the
day
and
honestly
we
we
really
needed
that
kind
of
levity
this
morning.
So
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
sharing
with
us
and
we'll
see
you
soon.
I'm
sure
at
this
point
committee
will
close
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
161
that
takes
us
to
the
first
bill
listed
on
the
agenda.
A
I
will
now
open
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
32
senate
bill
32
makes
various
changes
relating
to
offenders
with
substance,
use
or
co-occurring
disorders,
and
I
believe
we
have
our
guests
from
the
nevada
department
of
corrections
here,
mr
wickham
and
perhaps
a
couple
others
who
I
believe
are
going
to
present
senate
bill
32,
and
then
we
will
have
a
chance
for
questions
so
welcome
to
our
presenters
and
when
you're
ready.
If
you
could
please
go
ahead
with
your
presentation
on
senate
bill,
32.
N
N
This
bill
defines
these
programs
as
program
of
treatment
for
offenders
with
substance
use
or
co-occurring
disorders.
The
term
substance
use
disorder
is
defined
as
a
cluster
of
cognitive
behavioral
patterns
and
psychological
behaviors,
indicating
that
the
individual
will
continue
to
use
substances,
as
listed
in
the
diagnostic
statistical
manual
of
mental
health
disorders,
5th
edition
or
the
dsm-5.
N
N
A
H
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation,
miss
job
I.
If
it's
okay,
I've
got
multiple
questions,
so
in
section
nine
sub
five,
am
I
reading
that
an
offender
has
to
be
within
two
years
of
the
expected
release
date?
What
so,
if,
if
there's
an
offender
with.
H
N
Thank
you
for
your
question
assemblywoman.
N
Yes,
the
program
is
specific
to
the
end
of
their
sentence,
due
to
the
fact
that
research
predicts
that
they
once
they
receive
the
treatment
at
the
very
tail
end
of
their
program,
then
once
they
release
they'll
have
that
information
to
themselves
to
carry
on
into
the
community
versus
if
they
were
to
have
the
program
at
the
beginning
of
their
sentence,
then
throughout
their
treatment
or
throughout
their
stay
at
ndoc.
H
Thank
you,
but
so
are
there
other
programs
for
them
for
for
people
that
are
longer
out
from
their
treatment,
I
mean
from
their
release.
Are
they
getting
anything
if
they're
five
years
out
ten
years
out.
N
Yes,
there
are
a
variety
of
other
programs
within
ndoc
substance
abuse
programs,
specifically
at
the
tail
end
of
their
sentence.
H
Okay,
thank
you
and,
and
then
I
what's,
what
is
the
practice
as
far
as
throughout
the
language?
There's
there's
throughout
the
the
bill,
there's
language
about
the
director
and
the
director
making
decisions
what's
and
and
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
trying
to
put
you
in
an
awkward
position,
because
I
know
this
is
your
job
and
and
the
director's
your
boss.
But
how
much
is
how
much
is
mental
health
care?
N
Maria
joke
for
the
record
ndoc,
the
substance,
abuse
programs
and
mental
health
providers.
The
information
is
directly
provided
to
the
inmates
by
those
by
the
staff
members.
So
the
director
just
places
us
in
those
positions.
It's
the
mental
health
and
the
substance.
Abuse
are
provided
by
those
providers.
H
N
N
B
N
Thank
you
for
your
question,
maria
joe
for
the
record.
The
shortening
of
time
frame,
the
what
we
do
currently
is.
Our
programming
is
meets
current
time
current
criteria.
N
The
reason
for
aftercare
is
because
that's
what
research
suggests
is
that,
if
it's
a
shorter
amount
of
time,
then
they
have
to
get
into
the
community
and
program
beyond
the
wall.
The
walls
of
the
prison
that
answers
the
question.
B
Thank
you
so
much.
I
have
a
few
I'm
so
sorry,
so
research
suggests.
That's
that's
a
great
point.
Are
there
any
research
out
there
that
suggests
or
supports
moving
in
this
direction?.
N
B
Thank
you
and
then
my
last
question.
Is
it
the
intent
of
the
bill
to
provide
services
and
and
and
help
the
inmates,
or
is
it
more
about
cost.
N
A
Ms
job,
let
me
ask
you
one,
obviously
we're
not
a
money
committee,
but
my
interest
was
peaked
a
little
bit
when
you
indicated
there
was
a
prior
piece
of
legislation
that
resulted
in
a
rather
large
fiscal
note,
and
I
believe
it
indicated
that
you
thought
that
was
an
unintended
consequence,
and
this
bill
essentially
was
to
to
kind
of
clean
that
language
up
in
a
very
high
level.
Could
you
just
give
us
a
sense
of
what?
What
was
the
issue
in
the
prior
legislation
that
generated
the
fiscal
note,
and
how
does
this
language
fix
that
problem.
N
Thank
you
for
your
question,
maria,
for
the
record.
The
difference
before
was
specific,
specified
and
mental
health
disorders.
Currently
it's
the
language
that
we
suggested
say
or
co-occurring
disorders.
N
So
if
you
say-
and
it
requires
an
entire,
an
entire
package
deal
of
another
additional
programming
program
staff
members
additional
program
requirements,
it's
an
entire
package
deal
versus
what
we're
doing
currently,
which
is
create
a
substance,
use
disorder
or
co-occurring
disorder.
So
we
have
it's
both
instead
of
a
mandatory,
and
I
hope
that
makes
sense.
A
A
F
F
N
Thank
you
for
your
question.
Maria
joe
for
the
record.
The
department
of
corrections
provides
a
variety
of
different
programming
and
substance.
Use
is
specific
to
the
tale,
and
only
because
that
information
may
get
lost
on
them,
while
they're
in
their
first
three
years
and
then,
if
so
say
if
they
entered
prison,
got
substance,
use
programming
and
then
went
back
out
into
the
general
population.
N
J
F
Okay,
my
follow-up,
so
I
appreciate
that
why
it's
important
for
to
be
close
to
their
leaving
to
remember
but
they're,
still
suffering
from
a
substance
used
to
sort
of
while
in
prison
and
that
may
affect
their
conduct
and
behavior,
while
they're
in
prison.
So
what
do
you?
What
programs
are
there
for
that.
N
They
have
mental
health
available
to
sorry
maria
job.
For
the
record,
thank
you
for
your
question.
They
have
mental
health
available
to
them.
They
have
other
programming,
I'm
not
going
to
say
specifically
which
ones
because
I
don't
want
to
misspeak
on
all
of
them,
but
they
have
a
variety
of
other
programming
available
to
them
as
well.
So
it's
not
just
that
they're
left
to
do
nothing.
They
have
a
variety
of
other
options
available
to
them
and
then
they
can
catch
hours
at
the
very
end,
to
enhance
what
they've
already
learned.
C
They'll
be
more
dialed
in
and
it
might,
you
know
when
they're
incarcerated
they
aren't
exposed,
hopefully
to
the
issues
that
they're
going
to
have
once
they're
released,
they're
not
going
to
have
access
to
alcohol
or
drugs
and
the
substances
that
have
been
a
problem
when
they're
not
in
prison
so
is,
is
you're
saying
they
might
not
have
it
available
to
them
as
soon
as
they
need.
Are
you
saying
that
the
two
years
is
justified,
because
maybe
some
of
the
substance
abuse
programs
have
shown
success
in
a
certain
period
of
time?
I
I
It
threw
the
chair
to
the
honorable
senator
I'm
the
deputy
director
of
programs.
We
have
a
great
deal
of
programs
for
offenders
and,
typically
when
they
come
into
the
facilities,
we
do
a
an
assessment.
I
We
call
it
the
nres,
the
nevada
risk
assessment
test,
we
give
them
an
assessment,
and
then
we
determine
what
programs
are
best
suited
for
the
offender
for
the
best
outcomes
based
on
evidence-based
practices
and
and
some
of
those
classes
are
like
a
a
n,
a
narcotics
anonymous
things
like
that,
but
also
there's
a
lot
of
programs
that
that
offer
necessary
skills
prior
to
getting
into
substance
abuse
programming
such
as
moral
recognition
therapy
thinking
for
a
change
getting
it
right,
and
these
are
the
kind
of
the
precursors
to
get
to
the
substance
abuse
programming.
I
While
they
all
of
these
programs
involve,
you
know,
making
good
choices,
ancillary
things
that
relate
to
substance,
abuse,
abuse,
evidence-based
programs
suggest
that
it's
best
to
provide
the
the
therapeutic
communities
as
we
get
closer
to
release,
and
that
way
it.
It
continues
to
create
that
when
they
move
out
into
the
communities
they
have
the
continuum
of
care
from
leaving
a
therapeutic
community
right
onto
community-based
programs
with
our
community
partners,
and
I
hope
that
answered
your
question
now.
A
B
Thank
you
so
much
chair,
assemblywoman
gonzalez
district
16
for
the
record
in
sections
one
through
like
four
or
five.
It
talks
about
inmate
accounts
and
money
are.
Are
we
making
these
inmates
pay
for
their
programming.
N
A
Additional
questions,
I
don't
believe
I
see
any
additional
questions.
Let
me
look
one
more
time.
Once
we
get
used
to
this
in-person
world,
it's
a
little
bit
harder
to
see
when
you're,
not
on
the
screen,
raising
your
hands.
Okay,
I
don't
see
additional
questions.
Miss
job,
mr
wickham,
thank
you
for
presenting
and
we'll
again
ask
you
to
sit
tight
for
just
a
moment.
While
we
take
some
testimony,
then
we'll
have
a
time
for
concluding
remarks
at
this
time,
I'll
open
up
the
hearing
for
testimony
in
support
of
senate
bill
32.
A
J
K
A
A
A
J
A
A
J
E
Hi,
jim
hoffman
nevada
attorneys
for
criminal
justice
nacj
is
testifying
in
neutral
on
sb-32.
This
bill
gives
more
discretion
to
endoc
in
how
to
treat
offenders
with
substance
abuse
problems.
Discretion
can
be
a
double-edged
sword.
This
could
be
used
as
a
way
to
do
a
better
job
of
treating
offenders,
but
it
could
also
be
used
as
a
way
of
cutting
costs
on
the
back
of
prisoners.
E
We
believe
the
deputy
director
wickham
is
committed
to
using
this
discretion
in
a
positive
way,
but
in
a
longer
term
sense.
We
are
concerned
that
different
leadership
could
use
this
discretion
in
a
negative
way.
Therefore,
we
are
testifying
in
neutral
to
note
these
concerns
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
A
So
I
will
close
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
32
committee
members.
That
brings
us
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
public
comment.
By
way
of
reminder,
we
reserve
up
to
30
minutes
for
public
comment
at
the
end
of
each
meeting.
Public
commenters
will
have
two
minutes
to
provide
public
comment.
Public
comment
is
a
time
to
raise
matters
of
a
general
nature
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
assembly
judiciary
committee.
Let
me
first
check
with
those
who
are
joining
us
in
the
room
as
guests.
Would
anybody
like
to
give
public
comment
in
the
room?
A
K
Marie
grant
a
n
n
e
m
a
r
I
e
g
r,
a
n
t,
sister,
thomas
purdy,
murdered
by
reno
police,
hogtied
and
affixiated
done
by
washoe
county
deputies
tomorrow
at
8
am
clark
county
government
center.
There
will
be
a
public
fact-finding
review
in
regards
to
the
murder
of
25
year
old,
jorge
antonio
gom
gomez.
He
was
murdered
by
lvmpd
on
june
1st
2020,
while
attending
a
black
lives
matter
protest.
While
exercising
his
first
amendment
rights.
He
was
out
there
supporting
families
like
my
own
who
have
lost
a
loved
one
to
police
brutality.
K
Please
attend
to
watch
the
hearing
via
the
youtube
link
which
I'll
send
by
email.
There
is
no
expectation
for
true
justice
for
jorge.
You
should
all
be
aware
of
the
clark
county.
D.A
stephen
wolferson
has
never
charged
one
single
officer
or
ruled
a
police
murder
of
a
community
member,
unjustified
sergeant
ryan
prime
inside
seven
lethal
rounds.
Deanne
emerton
for
officer
vernon
ferguson
fired
three
lethal
rounds.
Andrew
locker
filed
five
19
lethal
rounds
were
fired
at
jorge
jorge
was
not
out
there
fighting
for
himself.
K
These
methods
are
not
designed
to
prosecute
police,
but
rather
to
restore
public
confidence
in
the
police.
They
are
used
to
defuse
demand
for
prosecuting
police
brutality
and
minimize
punishment
for
guilty
cops.
It's
time
to
follow
suit,
like
new
mexico
and
colorado
and
end
qualified
immunity
for
police.
If
anything,
those
who
have
the
ability
to
take
a
life
and
currently,
without
consequence
should
be
held
to
a
higher
standard
we've,
given
them
armored
vehicles,
bulletproof,
vest,
robot
shield,
stab
vest,
etc.
Yet
community
members
are
still
being
tried,
convicted
and
executed
by
police
change.
Is
needed
right
now?
A
Thank
you,
as
always,
bps,
for
helping
us
through
the
testimony
by
phone.
I
will
close
public
comment
anything
else
from
committee
members
this
morning
before
we
talk
about
where
we
go
from
here
all
right.
Well,
I
want
to
say
it
was
very
nice
to
have
you
all
in
the
same
committee,
room
you're,
probably
feeling
a
lot
like
me.
This
feels
very
unusual
given
the
last
year,
but
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
work
through
it
as
we
move
forward
and
thanks
to
our
staff
for
making
this
happen
as
well.
A
It's
another
wrinkle
for
broadcast
services
to
have
a
committee
room
to
broadcast
as
well
as
zoom
and
telephone,
so
just
want
to
say
that
we
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you're
doing
and
your
ability
to
adapt
to
these
ever-changing
circumstances.
A
In
terms
of
where
we
go
as
a
committee,
a
committee
we
do
have
an
agenda
for
tomorrow,
it'll
be
a
nine
o'clock
start.
We
have
three
bills
on
the
agenda,
but
I'm
confident
we'll
be
able
to
get
through
those
in
a
timely
manner.
Agendas
are
out
for
monday
and
tuesday.
We
do
not
have
committee
meeting
on
monday
or
tuesday.
That
is
in
anticipation
of
long
floor
sessions
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
bills
out
before
the
deadline
on
tuesday.
I
do
anticipate
we'll
have
committee
meetings
wednesday
through
friday
of
next
week.